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MINI SCROLL: Alissa Violet vs. Tana Mongeau, Jaclyn Hill talks cancellations & Olivia Culpo wedding dress TikTok drama · Mini Scroll

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  Hi everyone, welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
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  culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories from social
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  media, the creator economy, and the digital space every Monday
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  through Thursday. I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
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  the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
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  Welcome back to Mini Scroll, everyone.
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  I hope you guys had a good weekend.
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  I had a pretty good weekend. I had a little Canada Day party
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  like I didn't have it, but I went to one and it was a double
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  denim theme. But anyways, so I had a really
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  good weekend. I got some downtime which was
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  nice and now I am back. Oh, and I also, I let you guys
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  know this on infinite scroll, but I got a teleprompter which
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  is so exciting and I thought I was only going to use it for
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  infinite scroll, but I just uploaded my mini scroll notes to
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  the teleprompter. So we'll see.
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  This will be my first Test. I kind of like having the notes
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  like down here for mini scroll, but we'll see.
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  I don't know. Anyways, I think it'll be good.
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  All right, let's just get straight into the stories,
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  'cause I have some big stories. The first one is that Alyssa
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  Violet has called out Tana Mojo in defense of Jason Nash.
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  So influencer Alyssa Violet has had enough of Tana Mojo's jabs
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  at Jason Nash. Over the weekend, Alyssa made
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  several videos calling out Tana for constantly making fun of
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  Jason doing live streams for money.
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  As we know, Jason has copped a lot of criticism in recent
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  months for like, begging for money on TikTok.
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  He goes on TikTok live essentially.
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  And yeah, basically like begs for different gifts and things
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  that you can like, gift people on TikTok.
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  I don't quite understand. I like, have really never
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  explored the TikTok live element of things.
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  But I guess you can like, ask for like, virtual gifts and
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  things and that converts to money.
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  Anyways, Tana, who as we know is friends with Jason's ex Trisha
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  Paytas, has been part of that criticism, making videos here
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  and there joking about, you know, no matter how bad things
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  get in our lives, we should all be thankful that we are not
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  Jason Nash. Tana made another one of these
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  videos this weekend and then Alyssa stitched it calling out
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  Tana for making fun of Jason. She called him like a
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  middle-aged man who has children to pay for and it's just trying
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  to make a buck and like it's just low hanging fruit for Tana
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  to go after him. At least I'm not Jason Nash.
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  OK, I've had enough. I was going to say something a
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  couple of times ago when Tana started stuff with Tessa and
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  then she always talks about Jason Nash and then she talked
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  about this other girl and I posted my Snapchat about it
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  because TikTok wouldn't let me post a video for some reason.
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  But regardless, Tana, I listen. I know your job and I know that
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  like you're supposed to be like talking about drama all the time
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  and that's literally your job on your podcast.
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  But for coming to to come for somebody that's literally just
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  trying to make a simple living on like just going live on
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  TikTok, TikTok trying to make ends meet.
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  Like he's a middle-aged man, like he has kids, he has to make
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  money for his kids school. Like all this stuff.
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  Not everybody can post a butthole picture on on only fans
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  like and make $1,000,000. OK, That's like unheard of.
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  And and that's great that you do that.
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  That's awesome. Cool.
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  Like I'm not shaming you for that.
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  That's great. It's just not everyone can do
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  that. So what we're not going to do,
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  it's not cool in 2024, is shaming people for going live,
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  for making a couple of extra dollars.
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  Alyssa got a lot of heat for this video, mostly for coming to
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  Jason Nashes defense. You know, a lot of people feel
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  like he's not a great guy because he was so heavily
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  associated with David Dobrik. Didn't really, you know, I
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  guess, move away from him after the scandal in the Vlog Squad.
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  And just like a lot has come out about the Vlog Squad and about
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  his relationship with Trisha and things like that since all of
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  that exploded in 2020. One, I believe it was when that
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  big expose happened. So anyways, people are kind of
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  like Jason is like not the hill to be dying on for this.
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  And then of course, she also got heat for kind of making fun of
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  Tana for doing only fans or like shaming her for doing only fans.
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  So Alyssa made a follow up video like doubling down on her point
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  and then she ended up deleting all of her TikTok content about
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  it. So she removed those videos like
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  I said and then she posted two slides like text photos I guess
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  with text to TikTok. The first one said I'm removing
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  myself from all this go on my Snapchat to see my original
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  point or don't I don't care. This is something I most
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  definitely will not put my my time and energy into anymore.
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  I took down all the videos Internet.
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  You can happily have this one. And then the next slide said, to
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  be clear, I don't support abuse, bullying, pedophilia, shaming of
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  any kind. I also don't support cyber
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  bullying of any kind. And that was my original point.
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  So that's that. I mean, I, I think, yeah, the
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  Jason Nash Hill is maybe not the hill to die on.
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  I just think right now we're in this really interesting time
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  with Tana where she's had such a renaissance and it's it's
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  actually similar to Tricia's. Like she's such a fan favorite
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  now because she's really just like owned her shit.
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  She has seemed to change a lot and I think Brooke her like
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  making up with Brooke and doing canceled, but Brooke has helped
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  this renaissance and like helped to this rebrand for her.
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  I know a lot of people do say things like canceled is just
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  like Mean Girls that talk shit and stuff like that.
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  But I mean, maybe, but I don't know, you guys know how I feel
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  about like tea and gossip and talking shit like I could do it
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  all day long. I love it.
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  I think it was just like the hypocrisy for people like Alyssa
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  coming for her for saying, you know, she does only fans for
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  money. And like she talks on her
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  podcast about other people, gossips about other people for
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  money. Well, that's kind of like what
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  Tana's making fun of Jason for. Like she's saying like you
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  should just like let him get his bag and like leave him alone.
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  And then you're coming for Tana on how she's getting her bag.
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  That was kind of the whole point.
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  So that all blew up in the span of like 12 hours.
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  And at the time that I'm recording this, which actually
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  is Sunday, not Monday. So possibly I will miss
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  something, but Tana has not responded to Alyssa as far as
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  I've seen. All right, the next story that I
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  have for you guys is that Jaclyn Hill has talked about what it
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  feels like to be canceled on the full coverage podcast.
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  OK, I made a TikTok about this podcast episode on my personal
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  TikTok account because I am obsessed with it.
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  I listened to it. I listened to it on Saturday
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  when I was like going to the gym and then getting ready.
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  It's like a 2 hour podcast. Oh my God, it is so good.
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  It reminded me why these people are famous.
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  It was so entertaining. They literally just did not stop
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  talking for the full 2 hours. There was no lull.
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  There was not a second that I was bored.
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  It was so good. I was like yeah This is why
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  these people are famous. They have such larger than life
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  personalities and having them all together like this, like
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  these O GS together, I was like, Oh yeah, I remember this now.
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  But they talked about a lot of really meaningful and big
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  topics. I felt I you guys can actually
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  go watch my TikTok if you want, because I'm not going to dive
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  into like everything here. I talked a little bit more about
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  it there, but like they talked about having children and the
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  way that they spoke about it was so chill that it just like made
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  me feel so calm and like seen about the whole topic.
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  It was very, very good. But the point that I wanted to
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  make here was they talked about obviously being canceled.
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  And I thought that this was really interesting because
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  obviously all three of them, Jacqueline, Manny, MUA, Laura
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  Lee have all been canceled at different times for different
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  things. Typically when we hear creators
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  talk about cancel culture or being canceled and what that
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  feels like, it's either in the moment when they're still fresh
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  with it and it's like very emotional and stressful and it's
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  like damage control or it's, you know, them being like angry and
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  like putting that back on us for cancelling them and being like
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  unrealistic or whatever. And this conversation, there was
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  like a little bit of that. I would say there was like a
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  tiny little bit of like, you know, resentment there.
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  But like, I, I also think that's normal.
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  I think we can't really fault creators who get cancelled for
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  being resentful of that cancellation.
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  I understand that's like not the point of a cancellation.
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  It's kind of like you need to take accountability and like if
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  you take accountability properly, then like in theory
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  you wouldn't feel resentful of that situation.
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  But like it's just human nature, you know.
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  So there was a little bit of that.
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  There was like a little streak of resentment in that in their
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  conversation. But I would say for the most
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  part, it was very objective. And they talked about some
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  really interesting things about being cancelled.
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  So the best points that I took away from that was they talked
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  about how being cancelled makes you question your own self
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  perception. Like it makes you really feel
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  like, oh, I am that person that everyone is saying that I am.
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  And that makes you question like your own values, who you
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  actually are. And I think that's kind of the
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  point of what usually audiences say they want from a
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  cancellation. So I think if that is like what
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  you want from creators when they have a cancellation, it's to
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  like to have some self reflection.
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  Apparently it's working. OK.
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  So that was the first thing. The second thing that they said
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  was that like you can't actually learn anything in the moment
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  while you're being cancelled. And they didn't say this part of
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  it, but I interpreted that as them saying like the demands
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  from fans to take accountability and to do accountability,
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  whatever that means in the exact correct way in the moment.
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  Like that's not actually impactful because what they're
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  doing in the moment is trying to survive.
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  Like they're in constant fight or flight.
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  Say what you want about creators getting canceled, celebrities
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  getting canceled, I understand it's a very like sensitive topic
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  for audiences and for influencers and public figures
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  in general. I would say at the end of the
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  day, somebody getting cancelled, it's like the biggest pylon in
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  the world, especially if you think about like Jacqueline's
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  hairy lipsticks. Mandy got cancelled for like
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  being a bad friend. I don't even know if that is
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  anywhere close to a cancelable quote UN quote offense.
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  Obviously Laura got cancelled for some much bigger and more
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  horrific things. But you know, I think the pylon
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  of like everybody coming at you, the whole Internet, especially
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  now, it's it's so inflamed now when they all got started
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  getting cancelled, you know, this is like a little bit right
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  before cancel culture really like took off.
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  It would be the most horrific experience I can only imagine.
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  So I don't think it's an exaggeration to say you are like
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  trying to survive minute to minute, like you are in constant
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  fight or flight. So, you know, you actually can't
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  take proper accountability and you can't do the things that
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  like the your audience is demanding of you in that exact
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  moment because the pylon is too much like anybody would just
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  shut down. Like your mental, your mental
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  state would be so bad. There would be no way for you to
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  actually properly look at the situation from like any type of
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  like helpful or like objective lens.
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  So, you know, they did say like the learning comes like after
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  that. And then Jacqueline said through
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  therapy, she's really found who she is and what grounds her,
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  which has helped her navigate the Internet hate, which kind of
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  ties back into their first point, which is, you know, when
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  something bad like this happens, like when a scandal happens, you
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  really self reflect on like, Oh my God, am I this person?
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  I didn't think I was this person.
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  Everybody's in the world is saying that I'm this person.
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  Am I this person? So I thought that was
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  interesting where she said, you know, you really have to have
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  like a strong sense of self. And actually we talked about
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  that recently. Who are we talking about that
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  with with? Not with about, I don't know.
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  We're talking about a celebrity having a strong sense of self.
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  But I think that's probably the biggest way that a creator or a
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  celebrity can, like, handle a cancellation is if you have a
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  strong sense of self and thick skin.
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  And that comes with having a strong sense of self, right?
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  It's like if you know who you are, then you know that like
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  what people are saying about you is actually not true.
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  And Jacqueline said that she's like, I'm not going to get
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  cancelled for something that's like super fucked up because I'm
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  not like a fucked up person, you know, like what I'm getting
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  cancelled for. What most creators get cancelled
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  for is for mistakes, which everybody makes and those
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  mistakes are amplified. Take that how you will.
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  I know some of the cancellations, quote UN quote,
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  that we have seen over the years have felt like much bigger than
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  mistakes, that's for sure. But I do agree that a lot of
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  them could be chalked up to just mistakes.
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  OK and the last story that I have for you guys, I need to
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  break down the Olivia Culpo wedding dress saga for you.
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  It's been on and off my TikTok timeline for like 2 weeks now.
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  I have question or a week sorry. I think she only got married
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  last weekend. But I don't know if I want to
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  talk about like my opinion on like someone's wedding in this
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  way just because I feel like there's already clearly they're
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  already very hurt and sensitive to the discourse around their
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  wedding and Olivia's look. So I don't want to like
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  contribute to that. Speaking of cancel culture.
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  But I'm going to give you the full rundown of what's happening
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  because it is just not stopping. And that's kind of where I'll
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  leave at. So Olivia Culpo, she got married
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  to a football player like last week and her wedding dress is
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  literally the talk of TikTok. So she was dressed by Dolce and
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  Gabbana. And her first dress, the one
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  that has lots of discourse about it, essentially covered her from
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  head to toe. It was like long sleeves, high
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  neckline all the way up and it was just complete simple white
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  fabric. She had a Vogue like wedding, so
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  she did an interview and she said, quote, I didn't want it to
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  exude sex in any way, shape or form.
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  I wanted it to feel effortless and as if it's complimenting me,
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  not overpowering me. There's so much beauty and
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  simplicity. So bridal creator Kennedy
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  Bingham, who goes by Gown eyed Girl on TikTok, did a review of
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  Olivia's look. She has a long video, I'll link
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  it down below. But she basically said the dress
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  has no personality. It felt opposite to what Olivia
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  dresses like in real life, which was a lot of the criticism.
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  It was just like, unexpected for Olivia Culpo to wear a dress
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  like that. And she said that like the Vogue
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  interview that Olivia did in which she spoke about the dress
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  felt like a conservative campaign because Olivia talked
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  about how she wanted to be covered.
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  She wanted to wear something that showed how seriously she
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  takes her vows and that Christian, her husband prefers
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  her covered. And Kennedy was basically like,
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  that is such a weird thing to constantly talk about and
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  especially with the taking your vows really seriously.
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  She was like, it doesn't matter what a bride wears on her
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  wedding day. That has no, you know,
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  correlation to like how seriously she takes her vows.
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  So Kennedy said, quote, it's very clear that this was not a
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  wedding. This was a conservative campaign
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  and it wasn't even well done. You took this disingenuous pick
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  me route that honestly felt more like you were thinking about
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  your narrative than your actual marriage.
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  OK. And you know, Kennedy has had a
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  lot of support for that statement.
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  It was a very bold and brave thing to say on the Internet.
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  I mean, I don't know if brave is the right word, but it was like
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  a bold thing to say about someone else's wedding.
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  But I think when you consider the political climate that the
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  US is in, I think it's important to be like hyper aware of the
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  propaganda or like what could be a propaganda that you're
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  consuming, like the content that you're consuming in general.
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  So while I don't think that Olivia Culpo is necessarily
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  intentionally trying to push a trad wife agenda, that is very
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  much what a lot of people feel like this Vogue interview was.
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  And I also think you need to consider who styled them.
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  You know, Dolce and Gabbana, like they are highly
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  problematic. They have anti-gay beliefs.
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  They are not a designer that I would want to be associated
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  with. I think a lot of people would
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  want to be associated with, especially their marriage.
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  So it just makes you think it's like, OK, if you're willing to
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  get design, if you're willing to collaborate with a designer like
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  this, what does that mean about who you are and what you're
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  trying to tell the world? OK, so Olivia and Christian saw
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  this. People are like making a joke
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  that they saw this on their honeymoon.
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  I don't know. But they saw this video and they
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  commented. So Olivia wrote, wow, what an
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  absolutely evil person you are. I hope no one ever tears you
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  apart in this way because it's extremely hurtful.
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  I love this dress. And it was everything I wanted
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  and more. And then Christian wrote, what
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  an evil thing to post online. I hope you find joy and peace in
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  the world the way my beautiful wife does.
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  This was obviously a huge moment for Olivia, a huge PR moment.
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  And I understand it's a hard line to toe because it is APR
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  moment for her. So you, you know, we as like the
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  audience. She's wanting us to consume that
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  Vogue article. She's wanting us to consume her
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  Instagram content. If that's what you want from us,
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  then we should be allowed to critique it.
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  But then I also understand it's like, well, you're also
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  monetizing and PRifying, publicizing, PRifying,
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  publicizing a very important intimate moment.
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  And I do agree, like it's a sacred moment for a lot of
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  people and brides, they feel usually or they want to feel
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  their most beautiful on their wedding day.
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  So for somebody to like be talking shit about what a bride
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  looks like, that just does feel really hurtful.
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  So I see both sides of it. But I think that's what Kennedy
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  was trying to say is like, this was so much of APR moment and
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  that is what a lot of the opinion has been.
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  But this has also caused a lot of discourse about celebrities
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  responding to audiences. Like, yes, Kennedy is a big
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  bridal creator, but she's also a regular person.
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  She's a tik toker. She has no bearing on their
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  life. So another creator, Cora
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  Brillian, made the point that when celebrities respond, this
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  really like fucks up their SEO because now when you Google
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  Olivia culpa wedding dress, it's just news articles about Olivia
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  and Christian calling out this Tik toker as opposed to anything
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  about her actual wedding dress. And then I did see Shannon from
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  fluently forward say it was kind of ironic that Olivia was like,
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  I hope no one ever tears you apart in this way because it's
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  extremely hurtful when she literally just called Kennedy an
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  evil person. Like she's kind of doing that
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  same thing. So yeah, I don't know.
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  There is a lot of discourse. This just to me goes back to
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  distrust and like disdain for influencers and celebrities and
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  like the 1%, the elite. It just keeps snowballing.
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  This is nothing new. We've seen this type of
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  discourse come out of things over the last few years.
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  It's been coming to the surface the last few years more than
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  ever post like lockdowns, I guess.
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  So to me, this is just like another example of that.
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  It's like if you want us to consume and by consuming
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  essentially helping pay your bills, like we should also then
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  be allowed to critique it. Media and art and fashion.
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  All of that is meant for critique gang.
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  But I'm interested to hear how you guys feel about that.
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  Please let me know in the comments.
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  Thank you so much for listening to Mini scroll.
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  I love you guys so much and I will talk to you guys tomorrow.
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  Bye.