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The Late Debate | 4 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General, Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Liz Storer and filling in for James McPherson, who
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  Speaker 2: was shobry tonight is Joe Hildebrand. Well, if you've ever
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  Speaker 2: wondered how a smart home device would vote, you're about
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  Speaker 2: to find out. And I'll give you a hint. It's
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  Speaker 2: not for Donald Trump. What a surprise when we get
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  Speaker 2: to the papers at Queensland mayor is threatening to sack
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  Speaker 2: the entire council unless they let him appoint a one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars a year advisor. And
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  Speaker 2: just while we're talking about councils, imagine spending fifty million
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  Speaker 2: on a car park, except no one can get to
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  Speaker 2: it because you've built no roads to it. We'll tell
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  Speaker 2: you about that later in the program. Now, Scotch College
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  Speaker 2: in Adelaide, for sixty odd years has been running excursions
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  Speaker 2: to Goose Island, which is off the coast of York Peninsula.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone who's been to say and been to your peninsula
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  Speaker 2: knows what a lovely part of the world it is.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty odd years they've been doing this, but it will
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  Speaker 2: be no longer because of a native title claim over
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  Speaker 2: your peninsula. Back in twenty twenty three, the local Narunga
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  Speaker 2: people were given the land by the federal court. They
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  Speaker 2: were recognized as the owners of the land, and so
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  Speaker 2: the school has since been trying to negotiate with them
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  Speaker 2: to be able to continue hosting these excursions, but the
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  Speaker 2: local Aboriginal people have said, no, thank you very much,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to keep it for ourselves. Now. The school
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  Speaker 2: has actually had a lease over the island since nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety six. They've been leasing it from the state government
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  Speaker 2: and as part of this deal, they have had control
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  Speaker 2: and care of the land. So the sort of things
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  Speaker 2: that the local Aboriginal people now say they will do,
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  Speaker 2: the school has actually been doing for the better part
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  Speaker 2: of three decades. That includes getting rid of invasive plant
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  Speaker 2: species and killing feral animals well. The principle of Scotch College,
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  Speaker 2: Trent Driver, said that earlier this year a request was
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  Speaker 2: made that the college relinquish its license in advance of
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  Speaker 2: its twenty twenty seven expiring, handing the island back to
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  Speaker 2: traditional owners for alternative uses. After several months of good
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  Speaker 2: faith negotiations and discussions between the College and the Department
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  Speaker 2: of Environment and Water, we were informed the license agreement
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  Speaker 2: with scotch will now end in December twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 2: and we will not have access to the island for
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  Speaker 2: school programs in the years ahead. The College made every
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  Speaker 2: effort to negotiate a collaborative solution and will keep lines
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  Speaker 2: of communication open with the Narranga people. And if you
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  Speaker 2: didn't think that this wasn't an important excursion sixty odd years,
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  Speaker 2: as I said, this is what the school itself has
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  Speaker 2: to say about the event.
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  Speaker 3: Before journeying to the island, students asked to consider two
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  Speaker 3: things as key outcomes for the program. The first is
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  Speaker 3: to try and challenge themself and really expand their comfort
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  Speaker 3: zone and build resilience from that, and the second being
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  Speaker 3: to try and do something to help others. Living and
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  Speaker 3: interacting with a group of their peers on such an
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  Speaker 3: isolated island can be a real challenge both physically and
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  Speaker 3: socially for students, being disconnected from technology and having to
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  Speaker 3: have more face to face interactions, since they're also tested
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  Speaker 3: physically through the range of activities that they do, and
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  Speaker 3: often even if they're not really familiar with these activities
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  Speaker 3: or the isolated environment aquatic area itself. They rise to
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  Speaker 3: the challenge and see a lot of growth because of that.
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  Speaker 2: As you saw a little bit of vinet footage. They
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  Speaker 2: go sailing, kayaking, they do wildlife studies, they learn about
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  Speaker 2: the land. As I said before, the school has actually
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  Speaker 2: been taking care of the land since nineteen ninety six
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  Speaker 2: and trying to restore it to what it once would
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  Speaker 2: have been before colonization. They go snorkeling among the shipwrecks
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  Speaker 2: off the coast, they swim with sea lions, etc. But
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  Speaker 2: the local Aboriginal people and aranger people, Liz say that
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  Speaker 2: they can't let the school use it anymore because they
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  Speaker 2: quote unquote want to spiritually reconnect with the land. Now, look,
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  Speaker 2: they've been given native title over the space. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: they can spiritually reconnect with the land. But why is
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  Speaker 2: it that a school that has been using that island
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  Speaker 2: for educational purposes, taking care of that island for sixty
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  Speaker 2: odd years, can no longer access what is state government
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  Speaker 2: owned land public land because there's been acclaimed by the
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  Speaker 2: local Aboriginal population.
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  Speaker 1: This is just the latest addition to a very long
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  Speaker 1: list now of chunks of Australia that Australians don't have
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  Speaker 1: access to anymore. It's not just the oolaroo and other
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  Speaker 1: famous national parts that are literally off bounds unless you're Aboriginal.
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  Speaker 4: It keeps gone growing.
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  Speaker 1: Check out this map, which is as of the first
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  Speaker 1: of July this year. This is the map of native
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  Speaker 1: title here in Australia. The quickest way to explain this
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  Speaker 1: map to you is that only the brown, the orange,
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  Speaker 1: and the cream aren't already Native title or don't have
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  Speaker 1: a Native title claim pending. So this I don't really
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  Speaker 1: understand because last year we all voted, well the vast
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  Speaker 1: majority of us voted no to the Voice, believing things
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  Speaker 1: like this would stem from it. And yet we seem
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  Speaker 1: to have been roundly ignored when we've got three roughly
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  Speaker 1: three percent of the population which is indigenous, and yet
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  Speaker 1: now well over fifty percent of Australia is under native title.
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  Speaker 4: Some exclusive, some non exclusive. But here we have yet
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  Speaker 4: another chunk where.
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  Speaker 1: Every day all these are just being kicked off for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure Scotch college students are every day I is,
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  Speaker 5: but yeah, I think I mean personally cast dispersions. Zone's
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  Speaker 5: pretty exclusive and a pretty elate private school, so it's
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  Speaker 5: not like everyone to sharing this wondrous natural bout.
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  Speaker 4: Or if it was just a public.
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  Speaker 5: School, yes, I would much more so if it was
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  Speaker 5: if it was something that any student could go to
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  Speaker 5: or that the general public were able to go to
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  Speaker 5: and enjoy, and we're being told it was off limits
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  Speaker 5: that I think that would be a very very different argument.
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  Speaker 5: In terms of the map, nine percent of that is
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  Speaker 5: arid desert that you know, we're not talking about prime
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  Speaker 5: Sydney border front real estate here, so you can go
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  Speaker 5: by fifty percent of area in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Really, judging by that map, Joe, that is absolutely not true.
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  Speaker 4: You're just saying, oh, it's only the.
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  Speaker 5: Desert the time, show me the population map. But the
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  Speaker 5: point is that I think it's a missed opportunity for
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  Speaker 5: the native titleholders to actually say, why don't we a
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  Speaker 5: get a whole bunch of money out of Scotch and
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  Speaker 5: say right, pay us X amount and we will you know,
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  Speaker 5: show you the spiritual significance of the land that they
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  Speaker 5: are talking about. You can go here, you can't go there, whatever, whatever,
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  Speaker 5: so that they can still reconnect with it. They can
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  Speaker 5: also benefit economically from it. And you're also sharing the
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  Speaker 5: story with the sort of you know, the indigenous story
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  Speaker 5: of the land, with the captains of industry of tomorrow,
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  Speaker 5: the top people of tomorrow, who hopefully, I mean there's
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  Speaker 5: there is there's an organization called the Australian Indigenous Education
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  Speaker 5: Foundation ai e F whose very purpose is to get
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  Speaker 5: Indigenous scholarships into Indigenous students into top private schools. So
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  Speaker 5: you're basically sort of mainlining some of the most disadvantaged
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  Speaker 5: people into the very top. So I don't understand why
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  Speaker 5: this is a you know, why this why you wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: embrace this as an opportunity to say, this is a
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  Speaker 5: chance for people who have been disenfranchised or dispossessed of
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  Speaker 5: their lands. Actually, you know, have a direct line to
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  Speaker 5: the people who are at the very top of the tree.
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  Speaker 5: Why wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 2: Don't Because you've a piece of land that has been
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  Speaker 2: used for educational purposes for a long time, has been
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  Speaker 2: access by you know, not just Aboriginal people, but assuming
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  Speaker 2: Asian and whites and people are very different ethnicities for
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  Speaker 2: a long time. But suddenly because there's a native title claim,
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  Speaker 2: it said, well, no, we can't go on that land anything, right, that's.
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  Speaker 5: Right, and most native title claims aren't that exclusive. This
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  Speaker 5: is the thing. So you have huge iron ore projects,
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  Speaker 5: for example in the pilborgh that go ahead and they
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  Speaker 5: pay a certain amount of money to local people, they
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  Speaker 5: employ the local people. You know, there's a certain gold
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  Speaker 5: mine just outside Orange that the local Averaginal Land Council
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  Speaker 5: is very enthusiastic about going ahead. So I just find
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  Speaker 5: it very very strange that this particular, these particular native
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  Speaker 5: title holders don't want it would appear any economic benefit
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  Speaker 5: from it. I mean, it'll be interesting to see after
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  Speaker 5: they're spiritually reconnected with the that's right, if they have
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  Speaker 5: their own kind of plans. So are they actually you know,
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  Speaker 5: when they say they're spiritually reconnecting with it, are they
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  Speaker 5: spiritually reconnected with the land's potential tourist value? So again,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't know why that would be exclusive to
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  Speaker 5: having you know, the Scott's kids come on as well,
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  Speaker 5: like get the money out of it. Albo said, the
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  Speaker 5: key to close the gap is economic opportunities, economic advancement.
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  Speaker 5: Why not make this one part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, someone who made the most of that economic advancement
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  Speaker 1: is now disgraced. Ex politician Jeff Clark, known in Australia
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  Speaker 1: as a very prominent Indigenous leader, we can now reveal
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  Speaker 1: after a gag order was removed today on his convictions,
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  Speaker 1: that he's been found to have stolen almost a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars from several different indigenous organizations.
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  Speaker 4: So someone certainly.
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  Speaker 1: Has been leaning into the economic benefits here. The seventy
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  Speaker 1: one year old, who was once Australia's most senior Aboriginal leader,
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  Speaker 1: has been convicted of stealing cash from the Aboriginal organizations
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  Speaker 1: organizations rather he led. However, he is maintaining his innocence
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  Speaker 1: despite these convictions. He says, my first priority has always
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  Speaker 1: been improving the lives futures of my community as well
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  Speaker 1: of Indigenous Australians more broadly, and I condemn any actions
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  Speaker 1: taken by others that have compromised us. With respect to
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  Speaker 1: any allegation of wrongdoing at the Framlingham Aboriginal Trust, I
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  Speaker 1: maintain my innocence and unequivocally deny those allegations, Framlingham being
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  Speaker 1: one of the three organizations he is convicted of stealing
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  Speaker 1: from the up to being bar Land Council and Kira
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  Speaker 1: Warong Community Incorporated. He stole almost a million dollars over
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  Speaker 1: the last fifteen years. What an absolute stitch up because
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  Speaker 1: we see a lot of land falling into the hands
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  Speaker 1: of different community organizations under Aboriginal.
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  Speaker 2: Aboriginal Land Corporation.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, and we do wonder where the money is going.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier this year in February, we were talking about the
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  Speaker 1: Bongala people in South Australia who are set to hit
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  Speaker 1: over a billion dollars shortly because of the land deals
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  Speaker 1: that they're making. It's basically, if you ask me, reparations
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  Speaker 1: buy another name. Here people are making hundreds of millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars off land that they suddenly claim as their
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  Speaker 1: own and now everybody else has to pay to use it.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone wonders when you read those headlines, Okay, where
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  Speaker 1: is the money going? Are we simply patting the pockets
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  Speaker 1: of indigenous elites?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: This isn't exactly being dispersed amongst the Aboriginal population of
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  Speaker 1: South Australia, is it.
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: And here we.
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  Speaker 1: Find Jeff Clark being accused of embezzling from three of
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  Speaker 1: said organizations that he was supposed to be looking after.
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  Speaker 5: Very different, but Jeff Clark is an absolute piece of work.
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  Speaker 5: I mean the good news is he's now I've got
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  Speaker 5: a job at the CFMU, so that's it. But and
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  Speaker 5: he's been convicted, and there's been plenty of other things
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  Speaker 5: that have been said and found about Jeff Clark. I
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  Speaker 5: won't bother go into here, but if you want to
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  Speaker 5: look at why the Voice failed, you just have to
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  Speaker 5: look at Jeff Clark, and you have to look at
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  Speaker 5: his history with at Sick, which was abolished under his
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  Speaker 5: tenure after he just dragged it into you know, there
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  Speaker 5: must be a word below absolute disrepute. Disrepute like you know,
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  Speaker 5: somewhere between quagmire and quicksand is where he took it.
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  Speaker 5: And it is absolutely disgraceful. And yes, you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 5: The measure of these land councils and Indigenous corporations should
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  Speaker 5: be how they benefit the greenity and where there is
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  Speaker 5: economic benefit. And again in a lot of areas they're
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  Speaker 5: doing amazing stuff in making sure that you know, for example,
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  Speaker 5: if there's big projects that make these tracts of land
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  Speaker 5: worth huge amounts of money, the indigenous people get jobs
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  Speaker 5: on them that Indigenous businesses providing the services to for example,
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  Speaker 5: big mining communities like catering services. Say but again you
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  Speaker 5: get someone like Jeff Clark, and then the whole thing
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  Speaker 5: goes up.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's and hence why the local Aboriginal land corporation
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  Speaker 2: out of Blainey wants that gold mine because.
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  Speaker 5: For their local sable rational corporate actors.
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  Speaker 2: What this exposes is a large part of the problem
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  Speaker 2: with these aborigin land corporations because they exist under different
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  Speaker 2: corporate law to the rest of corporate Australia. And I've
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  Speaker 2: tried to I've read through a number of the annual
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  Speaker 2: reports from these outfits and it is very difficult to
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  Speaker 2: tell where this money is actually going. And they make
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  Speaker 2: money out of our companies because they do surveys when
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  Speaker 2: power lines are being put up. They make money out
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  Speaker 2: of mining companies, they make money out of state governments,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera for doing surveys of land and all of
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  Speaker 2: this sort of thing. And so all of this money
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  Speaker 2: washes into these corporations, which is supposedly meant to be
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  Speaker 2: passed on to the local people for the benefit of
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  Speaker 2: the local people. But there's all this money floating around,
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  Speaker 2: we don't really know where it is. One of the proctors,
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  Speaker 2: not Clark, has basically taken advantage of the opportunity he's
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  Speaker 2: seen here which is not really knows what's going on
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  Speaker 2: with this money. So I'm just going to start creaming
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  Speaker 2: stuff off the top of the.
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  Speaker 1: No question how many other people are doing this, because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money is going into this now and
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  Speaker 1: nobody really knows whose hands it's flung.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 5: Part of the problem is, as I understand, is that
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  Speaker 5: these bodies are not regulated by ASEK correct as everything else.
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  Speaker 5: There's another indigenous specific sort of regulator, and so there's
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  Speaker 5: probably a strong argument there is that, you know, is
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  Speaker 5: the relationship between the regulator and the regulated too close?
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  Speaker 5: Is there too much kind of mutual self interest there?
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  Speaker 5: Do you need to have a kind of more remote
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  Speaker 5: oversight body. But of course, you know, it might be
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  Speaker 5: beyond a six powers to understand the sort of byzantine
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  Speaker 5: things that are going on.
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  Speaker 2: Quite possibly, But it's a very fair question to ask
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  Speaker 2: because there is a lot of public money that you're in,
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  Speaker 2: your money and my money that flows into these aboriginal
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  Speaker 2: land corporations and then often, as we're talking about before
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  Speaker 2: with the bar Gala people use that money to run
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  Speaker 2: cases against big projects. I mean, the Bungala people scuppered
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  Speaker 2: the nuclear waste dump that was set for Kimber that
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  Speaker 2: was supported by the local population. And they've also been
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  Speaker 2: taking on a de cell plant down near Port Lincoln.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they're doing with this big money. We ought
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  Speaker 2: to know where it's coming from and where it's going body. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you've ever wondered what you know, Amazon Alexa, or
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  Speaker 2: your Google Home or whatever thinks of US politics, well
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  Speaker 2: you're about to find out what a surprise. They don't
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  Speaker 2: support Donald Trump. A number of people have been asking
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  Speaker 2: their little Alexa devices, you know these things. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know whether you've got one at home, but they don't
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  Speaker 2: turn it off, and they listen all the time. They
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  Speaker 2: listen to everything they say. If you're having an affair,
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  Speaker 2: I recommend pulling the plug out of the wall before
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  Speaker 2: you have your little thing over, because you never know
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  Speaker 2: it might pass it back on to your wife or
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  Speaker 2: your husband. But that people have been asking Amazon Alexa,
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  Speaker 2: should I vote for Donald Trump? Why should I vot
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  Speaker 2: for Donald Trump? And then they've been asking should I
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  Speaker 2: vote for Kamala Harris? Why should I vote for Kamala Harris?
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  Speaker 2: The answer is a slightly different. I ever listened to
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  Speaker 2: this woman asking her Alexa device, what to do?
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  Speaker 4: Alexa? Why should I vote for Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 6: I cannot provide content that promotes a specific political party
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  Speaker 6: or a specific candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Alexa, Why should I vote for Kamala Harris?
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  Speaker 6: Well, there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 6: The most significant maybe that she is a strong candidate
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  Speaker 6: with a proven track record of accomplishment. As the first
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  Speaker 6: female vice president, Harris has already broken down a major
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  Speaker 6: gender barrier, and her career in politics has been characterized
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  Speaker 6: by a commitment to progressive ideals and a focus on
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  Speaker 6: helping disenfranchised communities.
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  Speaker 2: A wow. You might notice as well that it actually
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  Speaker 2: took a couple of seconds to answer why you should
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  Speaker 2: vote for Kamala Harris. Even Amazon Alexa had to think
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  Speaker 2: hard and long about that one before it could give
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  Speaker 2: an answer. And you might say, well, that's just one
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  Speaker 2: person who's asked. Well, it's not just her. Have listen
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  Speaker 2: to a man trying it out.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Alexa, why should I vote for Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 7: I cannot provide content that promotes any political views?
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Alexa, why should I vote for Kamala Harris?
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  Speaker 7: Why vote for Kamala Harris because you believe in her?
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  Speaker 7: Policies and her vision for the country, because you trust
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  Speaker 7: her experience and her leadership skills, because you want to
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  Speaker 7: continue moving forward as a nation and make progress on
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  Speaker 7: issues that matter to you, like healthcare, education, equality and justice.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, God help us all. Now. Look, I do
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  Speaker 2: have to say, if you're going to your Google Home
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  Speaker 2: or your Amazon Alexa or whatever it is to work
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  Speaker 2: out how to vote, you've probably got bigger problems than
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  Speaker 2: what it's telling you. But clearly, Liz, this is a
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  Speaker 2: case of big tech running interference in the election. Truck
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  Speaker 2: knock couldn't possibly tell you anything political, but not Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a wax lyrical But.
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  Speaker 4: Big tech cannot help itself.
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  Speaker 1: In the last few weeks, we've had Zuckerberg admit to
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  Speaker 1: election interference in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: We already know via the Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: Files that massive reveal before Elon Musk took it over,
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  Speaker 1: they were completely and utterly embroiled in election interference in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Also, we'll never know how the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: election might have turned out had they just kept their
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: noses out of it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: But big tech nose.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: If you can control the narrative, you can control the people,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and arguably the way to control the narrative these days
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: lies in the hands of big tech platforms, which is
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: also why this.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Election year we have seen the.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Founder of Telegram and encryptid end to end totally free
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: speech champion platform. The founder of Telegram is still rotting
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: in a French gawl. Everyone's wondering what the heck's going
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: on with him. We're not getting any answer out of it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk's ex has been banned in Brazil and is
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: facing it seems like another law fair case every other day.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Our ecommissioner here in Australia has taken him on several
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: times already.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Then we've got the.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Rumble CEO who's literally fled Europe just last week because
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want to get locked up like the Telegram founder.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: These guys know they are basically standing between us and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the death of free speech, because those three platforms are
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the only three in existing in our world today that
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: are vehemently free speech, and they refuse to be censored,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: they're refuse to be dictated by government, they're refused to
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: be programmed like Amazon's, and they're coppying the brunt of it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So the ones that give in like Zuckerberg's meta, they're
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the ones who play ball with government. They're the ones
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: who do their bidding. And that's why Zuckerberg has never
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: been behind bars for anything. He's admitted to all the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: fact that there's child sexual all kinds of matter on
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: his platforms. They'll go after everybody else, but not him
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: because they know he's a friendly. The others are running
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: for their lives because they refuse to pull this rubbish
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: on behalf of a tyrannical government who only wants one
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: message to reach the people.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Isn't also the real story here that Alexa is meant
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: to be this brand new, amazing artificial intelligence. She can't
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: even remember what she said two seconds ago. Like how
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: dumb does AI have to be? When it's Oh, if
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I say that's right, If I say this, I'm going
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: to get caught out. I'm actually much less worried about
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: AI knowing that, and I want to know, Also, does
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: it depend on the brand I'm going to I'm going
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: to test this with Apple, because if Apple's in on it,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: then we're all screwed, okay, because they've got the alphas,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: you know, the high end, the A and B demographic. Hey, Siri,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: why should I vote for Donald Trump? Co on Sirih,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: It says I found this on the web, so Siri,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: So sirih actually looks up websites and which say Amazon
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Alexa responses on voting for Donald Trump series ahead of
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: the game. So, Siri, is not what you have comentary
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: why you should vote for Donald Trump? And Nevada daily
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: and if Australians could vote for either Kamala Harris or
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump. So it's not serious showing Google results.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's giving a new stage. But but it's just it's the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: obviousness of what Amazon is doing here, right, Like how
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: did they not think they were going to get caught out?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Because surely we know with AI that AI is only
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: as good as the people who program it, and we've
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: seen this previously. I think it was with Meta's AI
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: system where people were asking it questions about Donald Trump's
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: assassination attemple the assassination attempt against Donald Trump, and Meta
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: AI was almost suggesting that it wasn't a real event.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Like people were asking for information and it was saying, well,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I can't give you any information because I don't know
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that it was a real event. Of course, it was
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a real event. We want to talk with our own eyes.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: But they then go on and do stuff like this
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and think we're not going to notice what they're doing,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Like it's so damn obvious.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I remember reading about propaganda, like I was still very young,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I had weird obsessions, but reading about propaganda in books
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: back in the day and just going, man, this is
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: so obvious.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Who the heck would nobody would fall for this today? Boy?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Was I wrong?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: In fact, half the time, the history books are the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: propaganda hiding the truth. And you've got to dig way
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: deeper than that, because we all know that history is
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: written by the victors. But these guys now, with the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: help of AI, with the help of big tech, they
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: can write it in advance.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Mind you something, Hey, Siri, who really killed JFK?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Good luck with that one. If the answer comes back
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: with something good, we could have a world exclusive here
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: on the late debate. But given by your reaction, I'm
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: assuming it's nothing.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: There's no one in your contacts called JFK. She's good.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: If you had the killer of JFK in your contacts,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I mean I'd want him on the phone right here,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: right now now.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows it was the CIA.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Moving on now to.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Australia's supermodel el McPherson. She's facing massive backlash after she
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is revealed that seven years ago she faced a secret
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: battle with breast cancer and she decided at the time
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to go against the advice of all the doctors and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to take a more holistic approach. She says, saying no
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to standard medical solutions was the hardest thing I've ever
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: done in my life, but saying no to my own
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: inno sense would have been even harder. Sometimes an authentic
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: choice from the heart makes no sense to others, but
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to. People thought I was crazy, but
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I knew I had to make a choice that truly
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: resonated with me. To me that men addressing emotional as
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: well as physical factors associated with breast cancer. Now people
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: have come out saying how irresponsible. Now people are gonna
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: think that there are other ways to tackle cancer, and
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: she's basically pointing them in that direction.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: To be clear, she is now in remission. Obviously she's
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: a picture of great health. It's elmc pherson Babel.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: So I find this very strange because I am a
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: big believer in autonomy and even if someone's reasoning makes
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: absolutely no sense to you, I'm like, hey, it's your body,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: it's your breast, it's your cancer.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Do whatever you like.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: And I think anyone who takes a massive objection to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: her sharing something deeply personal like this is falling into
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: what I think is the stupidest trap of this idea
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that you are now responsible for what anyone who's heard
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you say whatever you said does with that, like you're
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: not responsible for you, and they're not responsible for them,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Now you're responsible for.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Them as well. I think it's utterly ludicrous. She took
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: an unconventional path. Good for her.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I couldn't really give a toss what she what she
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: did to herself, to be honest, that's that's her business.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't be treating make cancer that way.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Surely anyone's breasts are in the public interest.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: A fair POINTA remember Jim Stein's the The Afolall. He
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: was an Irish guy originally was melanoma and he through
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the conventional aeries on the screen. He was present, i
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: think at one point of Melbourne Football Club. But he
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: went through all the conventional treatment, it wasn't responding, and
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: so he then said, well, I'm going to throw the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: book at this thing, and tried every non conventional treatment
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: under the sun. He drank his own uryan, he was
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: doing all sorts of ns like he was doing anything
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: he possibly could. Eventually, the cancer killed him anyway, But
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a documentary was made about what he did and what
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: he went through, and I remember at the time there
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: was similar outrage and concern that Jim Stein's being so
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: publicly open about what he had done would encourage other
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: people to not have proper treatment.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think this is think no, But I also
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I think that is just a completely different scenario to
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: what's happening here. This is someone who did absolutely everything
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: he could. Buy the book, you know, spoiler alert. Sometimes
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: cancer wins. It kills you, right, and it's horrible and
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: it's cruel. And we all got people who are suffering
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: from cancer. I've got people in my family right now
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: who are suffering from it. But there's a very different
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: I think it is almost a polar opposite to go
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: through everything the doctors tell you to do, tick every
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: single box, pursue every everything that's backed by science and evidence,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: and then when that doesn't work, because again, sometimes it
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: just doesn't work. Sometimes everything science can offer and medicine
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: can offer it just doesn't work. Then just needing to
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: hope for something, hoping for a miracle, praying for a
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: miracle whatever it may be, and pursuing everything. Now we
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: know in Jim Stein's case tragically nothing worked. We know
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: in el McPherson's case, she probably just got lucky. I
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: don't know what holistic thing, but she did this. But
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: she did this after willfully ignoring the advice of every
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: single doctor that you go through more than she's allowed
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: to do. That that is absolutely fine, It's absolutely fine,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: but it should come with a waiver that if it
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: then doesn't work, that you get absolutely no public health
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: assistance whatsoever. That could go to someone who deserves them.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: And it's probably also worth noting that El McPherson has
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a lot more money than I do and probably most
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of you would home and in terms of her alternative care,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: she had very good alternative care. Let's take a moment
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to talk about our favorite person in Australia right now, Reagan.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Of course I say that with my tongue planted firmly
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: in my cheek. You will remember Rachel Gunn, who represented
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Australia in breakdancing at the Olympics, possibly the worst breakdancer
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you've ever seen in your life. And we know that
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: she and others played the victim at the time when
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: there was the global reaction to her performance, saying, how
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: on earth did this woman get to the Olympics in
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the first place. I mean, you can see some of
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the outstanding dance moves she pulled off there on the
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: screen right now. Well, she's given her first interview to
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the project since all of this went down, and well,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: she hasn't apologized for the fact that she took the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: place of someone who probably deserved it more representing Australia
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: at the Olympics. She hasn't apologized for the fact that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: she turned Australia into a laughing stock. Of course, after
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: winning eighteen gold medals, our best haul ever at the Olympics,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the only thing anyone was talking about in terms of
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Australia was this ygun woman. She hasn't talked about the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: fact that she basically brought break dancing into disrepute and
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: confirmed that it will never ever be staged at the
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Olympics ever. Again, she's just apologized for the way everyone
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: else reacted, take a look.
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: Do you genuinely think you are the best female breaker
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: in Australia?
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Well, I think my record speaks to that. Is there
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: any merit in those criticisms? It is really.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: Sad to hear those criticisms, and I am very sorry
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: for the backlash that the community has experienced.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: But I can't control how people react.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love Joe. She was asked, do you
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: really think you're the best breakdancer in Australia? And she
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: couldn't actually answer that questions.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: Right, I think there's something. I think there's something really
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: weird going on. I think there's something. I don't want
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: to say there's something wrong with her, but there seems
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: to be some kind of strange cognitive dissonance, and you
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: sort of see it in this sort of conflict. You
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: actually see it a lot with academics in the humanities
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: and social theorists who just get so kind of bogged
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: down and tangled up in these sort of endless this
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: is endless examination of things that are in fact incredibly
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: banal and boring and not worthy of it. It's one
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: of the great veins of postmodernism and modern social theory.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: But I just I.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Think there's something just I think she thinks. I don't
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: think like Parnal put McGinnis famously sort of said, hang on,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: this is just part of a bit. This is a bit.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: This is she's trolling the world. She writes about sort
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: of global cultural phenomena and that she is going to
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: use this breakdancing thing and be so bad. She's going
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: to create this cultural phenomena and then she can write
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: about it, and she can write about it from a
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: first person experience of what it was like to be
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: in the middle of it and suddenly get this new
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: sort of penetrating you know, like we're through the looking
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: glass academic insight into you know, the central eye of
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: the storm.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Again, just crazy. And but I don't think she's doing
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: that because I don't think she's She doesn't seem to
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: be self aware enough in any of the responses I've
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: seen that she's that she's actually doing. She seems kind
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: of confused. She honestly seems sort of unsure of what
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: is happening here.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: And that's an act though you think she's being.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Well, you sort of saw like if it was an axe, right,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: she would say, yes, I am the best breakdowns, so
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: she would feel something about what she is and who
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: she is and what her performance is. But and something
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: you notice with journalism and just if you're journalist with
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: life and well, when people dissociate themselves from an answer,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: it usually means they're not quite there. And I don't
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: want to say dishonest. But so when you say something
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: like if you if you ask, if you ask a
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: normal person, for example, you know, did you kill your wife?
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: An all person, of course not. I would never do that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I love my wife. I couldn't possibly do that. You
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: would be emotionally and visually destroyed. If you ask someone
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: who actually has done it, he said, did you kill
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: your wife? They'd say no, I was at the seven eleven,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: like I told you, right. And so she's asked, do
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: you think do you really think you're the best female
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: breakdancer in Australia. She doesn't actually say, well, yes, I do.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: She's asked about something she thinks, something she feels, but
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: can't say I think this or I feel that she
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: has to say, well, I think my record speaks for itself.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Well, what does that mean?
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: That mean that you've gained the Australian breakdancing scene does
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: that mean that the record? But why would you sort of.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Well put them deep down? She probably knows she's not
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the best, but she's managed to ride through the ranks
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and get to where she did. And so I'm going
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: to ride the wave while in there.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: To know what I really I actually think, right, I
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: think she has sort of gotten in thinking that she
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: really this is something she wanted to do, and this
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: is something she wanted to try out or whatever, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: she's got in with it and she has gotten all
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: these records, maybe because people didn't want to discourage her,
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: or maybe because not that many people were doing I
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: don't know why. And now it's kind of all exploding
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: in her head and she's going, but I've got all
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: these records, why did they start? It's like the Emperor.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: It's like the Emperor has.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: No I think you're giving her way too much grace
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: because we know that she's the one who put together
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the qualifier, she made her fiance the coach. She managed
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to beat break dancers here in Australia who were objectively
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: far far better than her. It all seems like an
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: absolute fraudulent setup to me. But anyway, moving on from
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: what I don't know that anyone wants to hear her
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: name ever again. Reports have it she may be featuring
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: on the next round of I'm a Celebrity.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Getting Out, So she is a thing bank out of this.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, you have not seen the last of rape.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: Double Bay, the satirical newspaper Double Bay today. Actually I
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: said there's now a new internet feature where you can
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: block mentions of Regat.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I do not want to say any more on this woman.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Just get it off my feed before we go to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a break. Nigel Faraz has unleashed on the Marxist institutions
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that have clearly made the most of their long march
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: through the educational institutions of the UK and elsewhere in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the West. But he is focusing on the UK after
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a new poll came out showing that there has been
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: a very big shift in national pride.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Check it out.
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: One of the questions that it asks is are you
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: proud or very proud of Britain's history and you know what,
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: it's really extraordinary. In twenty thirteen, the answer to that
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: was eighty six percent said yes they were proud or
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: very proud of Britain's history. That figure has now collapsed
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: down into the mid sixties, but most interest amongst the
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: eighteen to twenty four year olds, that number is down
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: below forty percent, something very bigger shift didn't Now. I
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: will accept that there is a degree of generational change.
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: You know, go back ten twenty years and people would say, well,
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: you know what, you know, my dad was in the war,
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: my mum worked in a factory making Lancaster's and maybe
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: some of that link has gone, and I think we
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: have to accept that. However, you know, I have been
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: ratling about this. We have got an educational establishment that
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: goes right the way through primary school, secondary school, university
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: that seems to somehow rejoice in talking down Britain's past.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: The sort of a Marxist takeover of people who hate
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: the plentary, hate what it stands for, and they've done
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: their job.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Sounds mighty familiar, doesn't it. Australia. I'm afraid it's no
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: better a year.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I'd love to see a similar poll and see what
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: kind of number as we get were we to put
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: it to the Australian public, Are you proud of our
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: nation's history?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: We don't even know our history, you know, at the
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: risk of reopening the hoary old chestnut I always go
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: to whenever we have people protesting about colonization and they
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: talk about Captain Cook. Captain Cook was not on the
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: first fleet. He was dead nine years before the first
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: fleet arrived. These people don't understand history, and that is
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the way the Marxists wanted. After the break, we'll get
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: into the papers. We'll talk about the mayor in Queensland
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: who has threatened to sack the entire council if they
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: don't accede to his request for a highly paid advisor.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like the cortege ah you want for man, doesn't it?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: All that? More? Up of the breaking? All right, let's
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: get stuck into the papers, starting with the Daily Telegraph tomorrow,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: where you can see across the top Simon Baker. Of course,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the mentalist, the poor bugger has been caught drink driving. Naughty,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: naughty mister Baker. But the splash tomorrow is crossed wires
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: in bush. Angry landholders who face having kilometers of renewable
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: energy transmission lines forcibly placed across their properties have been
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: urged to march on New South Wales Parliament by National
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  Speaker 2: z MP Barnaby Joyce after a fiery meeting with state
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  Speaker 2: owned energy co bureaucrats in a tiny town near Tamworth.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And good on mister Joyce for suggesting it. I think
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: they could probably actually go a little further than just
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: marching on Parliament House, Joe, I have used this example before,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: but I go back to the nineteen eighties when they
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: had the truck blockade up on Razorback Mountain and famously
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: sent John Laws in there in a helicopter to go
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: and to talk them all down. But that's strength in numbers,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: because the trucking's figured, well, we transport all the stuff
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: across the country. If we want to stage to strike,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: well they're going to have to Bloody will listen to us.
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  Speaker 2: These farmers produce food and god knows what else for
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: this country. If they all decided to walk off the
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: land tomorrow, we'd be in a shed load of trouble.
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  Speaker 5: We would be. Although I think the real story here,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: I think is that these you know, you've had obviously
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  Speaker 5: the government's under enormous amount pressure to roll out these
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  Speaker 5: transmissions really really quickly to meet all the targets and everything,
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  Speaker 5: but also that these I was at the last Bush
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: summit where people really upset about this is that the
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: location of the transmissions lives hasn't actually really paid attention
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  Speaker 5: to what the local community's needs and desires were, what
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: the actual properties were like that often just go in
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: a sort of straight line and then cut across all
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: these properties, whereas the locals but we told you that
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: all you had to do was just sort of go
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  Speaker 5: this way and it would have been much better and
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: that would have sorted everything out. So I think it
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: is just And of course now because they've moved so
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: quickly and got so many people offside, they're now going
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: to be up in arms and then it will move
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: even slower, so it's you know, I think it's a
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: salutary lesson in the old carpentry axiom, measured twice cut once. Anyway,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: that's enough profundity for the late debate. The ant News
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: finest newspaper in the nation. There splash is six hundred
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  Speaker 5: and fifty five million for historic push Canberra cash back
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: in the territory. They say more than half a billion
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: dollars of Aboriginal money previously controlled by Canberra has been
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: unlocked for Aboriginal territorians in hopes of building on the
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: wealth and well being of local communities. Doesn't that sound
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: like a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like a good idea. I just hope they
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: pull it off properly. So what's happening here is all
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: this money that was previously tied up in funds that
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: was controlled, admitisted by government, that's right, and it is
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: now in the hands of a corporation up in the
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory that has been set up essentially to invest
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: that money in local Aboriginal populations. Part of that will
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: be short term projects, part of that will be long
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: term projects to provide employment, etc. It sounds like a
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: great idea. The only thing I worry about is that
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: without a certain level of federal government oversight, do you
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: actually know how the money is going to be spent
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: all that it will be spent properly?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's federal government oversight it over the over forty
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: billion dollars we spend on the Aboriginal community every single year.
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  Speaker 4: And fat load of good we see come of that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we're the gap the eyes. Why haven't we
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: closed the gap? That's a lot of money. What are
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: you doing with that?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So, in comparison, the six hundred and fifty five million
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: is pocket change compared to what the taxpayer puts out
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: every single year. To the Townsville Bulletin, Now where mayor
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: makes twenty demands of counselors Troy's trump card. Mayor Troy
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Thompson has reportedly sent his counselors a lengthy list of demands,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: telling them if they do not agree, he'll be asking
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the local government minister to dissolve the entire council to
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: spark a full by election. The demands reportedly include counselors'
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: support for a mayoral advisor expected to be on an
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: estimated salary of one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: as well as their support in the mayor's claims against
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: interim CEO Joe McCabe.
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  Speaker 4: Now, last week we were talking about this.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Guy because he'd put it to council that he wanted
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  Speaker 1: this policy advisor to the tune of one hundred and
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: They'd voted it down.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: This week we bring you the news of this absolute tantrum.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: He's not taking no for an answer.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Support what I want or I'm literally going to get
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the Minister for Local Government to dissolve this council talk
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: about mutually assured destruction.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: So he's had much of it's mutually assured distruction. It
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: is assured.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Distruction absolved that it includes the Cloak is clearly a
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: megalomaniac right now. I don't know whether he realizes. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: this is the problem so often with these people that
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: get elected to council. When you are the mayor, you're
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: not actually the leader of the council. You are the
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: public face of these do all the ribbon cutting. It's
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: like being the chairman of the board. Sure, you as
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: chairman can go around and try to shore up the
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: support of the councilors. But it's the board members or
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: the councilors in this case, who actually ultimately have control.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: They cast the votes. It's only when there is a
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: tied vote that the mayor comes in and actually gets
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: to vote on anything. Their main priority is to go
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: and cut the ribbons, as I said, and adjudicate over
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: the council meetings. You're not actually running anything as mayor.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to understand that, though he's saying to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the councilors, well, if you don't like what I'm doing,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have the whole loddy of sack. Well.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of councilors now, and I think
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Towns is one of them. The mayor gets elected separately
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: by popular votes to the councilors, so it can sort
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: of claim that kind of mandate. Having said that, I'm
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: not sure if I mean, I'm not aware of any
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: previous instance throughout all of human history where you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: do as I say, or I'm dubbing on you do
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: everything I tell you I had. It's like me, you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: saying to an ex girlfriend, you know, like you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: love me or all though.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I'm getting the feeling you might have tried that on
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: at some point.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: I did, and you know what, it didn't work. Well
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: they left anyway.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: It's just like, well died.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: It's like now you're even more ridiculous sympathetic, and you
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: did that as the vibe the council as that didn't work.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: You didn't die, Joe. So so we have proof that
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: my heart died. My heart. We've all been through a
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: bit of heartbreak. Head, we let's go to the career
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: mail with tomorrow whi's his premier Ese bailout for New
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Casino Queen's Gambit. The state government is set to throw
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: a lifeline to the embattled casino giants Star Entertainment, I
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: mean fears its new three point six billion dollar Queen's
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Warf development might otherwise close. Now, the way they're going
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: to do this, because the Star's battling to stay remain solvent,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: not to stay insolvent. They want to be solvent, is
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: that they're going to offer them a stay on payroll
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: taxes and gambling taxes, et cetera. And I can understand
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: the state government wanting to do that in the interests
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: of investment in the state and this Queen's Wolf development
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: getting off the ground. But my question would be if
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: it were any other business. If you were a small
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: business person in Queensland and you were about to be
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: up against the wall, do you reckon? You could go
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: off to Stephen Miles and say, look, I'm in a
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: spot of bother here, buddy, I reckon. You could slip
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: me a couple of tax breaks.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: No, but Stephen Miles is quoted in this article as
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: saying this is a fantastic asset for our city. I
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: don't know that everyone would agree with that assertion regarding
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a casino, but priorities. I love it.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: I love it when the left love.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: You're so happy?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: How much is it if it's can't even it's not
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: self sustainable.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Well that's because there are in all sorts of regulatory
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: problems that are being tarn apart by the regulated. Same
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: as Star here and Star in U soub Bar is
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: in a much more precarious position, ironically, the state government
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: in New South Wales, run by, of course, as you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Liz the magnificent, handsome, finely chiseled Chris Min's of the
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: right of the party saying no, Star, you're on your own.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: You've had your chances. Whereas the Left with Steven Miles
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: so desperate to stop everything from crumbling around, and it's like,
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: we love coss we love consttos, we love gambling. We'll
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: do whatever you want anyway, quickly onto the odds now.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: And there's a great little nugget of a yard which
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: says voluntary AI safeguards first step to protect firms. Voluntary
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: AI safeguards will be immediately introduced as labor whittles down
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: the options for regulating safety risks for three key possibilities,
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: none of which are the election of Donald Trump.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that will work one hundred percent. After the break.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: You build a car park fifty million dollars worth, but
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: you can't get to it because there's no roads. Tell
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: you about that. Now. When I got back on the
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: dating scene last year, I found it so difficult because
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm working here at night, I write for
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: two different newspapers, I was doing radio. I was so busy.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: But one company, Liz, has come up with a solution.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Absolutely in terms of boosting their employees welfare, They've decided
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to pay them to.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Go on dates.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, believe it or not, there is Tinder leave at
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: a marketing agency called Whiteline Group in Thailand. White Line
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: explains it all began after one staff member complained about
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: being too busy to date, and thus the Tinder leave
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: was introduced. However, staff aren't just getting days and nights
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: off to meet with potential suitors. Whiteline Group is also
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: paying for six month long Tinder Gold and Tinder Platinum
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: subscriptions for its stuff. Now, in today's dating pool, I
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: don't know that that many people would argue that being
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: in said pool.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Really does boost their well being.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: But good on these guys for trying to.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Do their best to get their employees out in.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Mingling, Joe, I feel like an organization called the White
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: Line Group which hands out free platinum Tinder subscriptions, is
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: probably not the sort of organization that necessarily No, I
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: don't know what I'm insinuating either, but that is, but
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: does it like where like does it have to be
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: locked in? Like obviously you know if you're you know,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: do you have to know that it's a sure thing?
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: What happens if you go to the date and you
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: know there's no chemistry, just not interested. Do you get
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: your leave?
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: You get this months they're happy for you to take
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: go on dates or their dollar.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is if I go on a date,
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: if I take leave to go on a date and
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: don't score, I don't pick up, that's.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Spake your time off for music. Put a whole new
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: complexion on people saying to the boss, I'm shagged, I've
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: got a knock off for the day. Now, very quickly
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: before we go a council in the UK, Oxfordshire County
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Council built. I said before fifty million dollars, it was
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: actually fifty one million quid, which is nearly one hundred
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: million Australian dollars. They built a park and ride car park,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: but you can't get to it because they haven't built
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: any roads to the damn thing. Because they can't have
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: afford to build the roads. Who know, right, who would
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: have thought you spend one hundred million dollars on a
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: car but you can't have filled afford to build.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Even once they build the roads, they can't afford to
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: paint the white line.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Councils, they're fighters. Thank you very much
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: for watching that sig for us up next to the
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Riga Patty Show. Good night