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Steve Price | 13 June · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: We're going to Friday nights at the end of yet
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Speaker 2: another week where our politicians and senior public servants have
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Speaker 2: give to themselves.
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Speaker 1: Of course a play rise.
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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment, and we will track
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's trip to the United States and what
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Speaker 2: is still only a possibility of a meeting with US
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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump. And we'll look at the horrendous death
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Speaker 2: toll from the latest international plane accident, this time in
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Speaker 2: India involving a Boeing seven eight to seven Dreamliner aircraft,
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Speaker 2: which if you can believe it was actually in Melbourne
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Speaker 2: as recently as last Sunday. Plus a military emergency again
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East with Israel taking preemptive military action
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Speaker 2: against Iran mid morning our time. It's around eleven am
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Speaker 2: in Tel Aviv right now, and we will bring you
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Speaker 2: the latest and I'll cross to Tel Aviv in just
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Speaker 2: one second. But as I said, coming up, Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 2: is on the most important international trip of his entire life.
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Speaker 2: He's headed for Canada as a guest at the G
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Speaker 2: seven on the sidelines, I might add, hopefully he wants
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Speaker 2: to sit down with President Donald Trump. Now the Israeli
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Speaker 2: action against Iran could change all of that. Trump could
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Speaker 2: even cancel his G seven appearance and not even turn up.
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Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Malcolm Davis, senior analyst with ASPY,
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Speaker 2: on this global emergency up next and what's the prime
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Speaker 2: minister in Trump's or what may be he should chat
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy off the back of the UK's announcement this week.
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Speaker 2: We've talked about it a lot on Sky that they
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Speaker 2: the UK are all in on nuclear energy and new
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Speaker 2: nuclear plants while Australia stubbornly sticks its head in the sand.
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Speaker 2: I'll get the view of Addie Patterson, former head of
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Speaker 2: ANSTO plus chaos in Tasmania as they head off again
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Speaker 2: to yet another election with the likely outcome a minority government.
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Speaker 2: Our Friday regular Campbell Newman is on will join on
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Speaker 2: the risks of volatile, cobbled together minority governments and what
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Speaker 2: it means for our smallest state. But first up, globally,
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Speaker 2: the world is again on the brink of all out
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Speaker 2: war in the Middle East, where around eight hours ago
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Speaker 2: we could not believe it when we heard this Israeli
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjamin Netnaho revealed that he had ordered a
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Speaker 2: series of pre empty air strikes on its mortal enemy, Iran,
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Speaker 2: striking at the heart of the road nation's nuclear weapons
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Speaker 2: production capabilities. This was the moment Benjamin Netanyahu revealed what
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Speaker 2: he had done overnight. He called it Operation Rising Lion,
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Speaker 2: as Israel and Tel Aviv itself went into lockdown preparing
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Speaker 2: for the Iranian counter attack.
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Speaker 3: Moments ago, Israel launched Operation Rising Lion, I targeted military
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Speaker 3: operation to roll back the Ranian threat to Israel's very survival.
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Speaker 3: Will continue for as many days as it takes to
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Speaker 3: remove this threat. For decades, the tyrants of Tehran have
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Speaker 3: brazenly openly called for Israel's destruction. They've backed up their
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Speaker 3: genocidal rhetoric with a program to develop nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 2: Nityaho also thank the United States for their support, even
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Speaker 2: though the American Secretary of State Marca Rubio was very
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Speaker 2: quick to point out this was purely an Israeli operation.
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Speaker 3: Our action will help make the world a much safer place.
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Speaker 3: I want to thank President Trump for his leadership in
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Speaker 3: confronting Iran's nuclear weapons program. He has made clear time
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Speaker 3: and again that Iran cannot have a nuclear enrichment program. Today,
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Speaker 3: it is clear that Iran is just buying for time.
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Speaker 3: It refuses to agree to this basic requirement of peaceful.
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Speaker 2: Nations, telling Lee, I think Ntnya who even invoked pretty
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Speaker 2: World War to Europe and what he called the mistake
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Speaker 2: of appeasement.
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Speaker 1: Nearly a century ago.
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Speaker 3: Facing the Nazis, a generation of leaders failed to act
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Speaker 3: in time. They were paralyzed by the horrors of World
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Speaker 3: War One. They were determined to avoid war at all costs.
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Speaker 3: That failure to act resulted in World War II, the
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Speaker 3: deadliest war in history. It claimed the lives of sixty million,
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Speaker 3: including six million Jews, a third of my people. After
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Speaker 3: that war, the Jewish people and the Jewish state vowed
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Speaker 3: never again. Well never again is now today Israel has
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Speaker 3: shown that we have learned the lessons of history. When
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Speaker 3: enemies vow to destroy, you believe them. When enemies build
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Speaker 3: weapons of mass death, stop them.
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Speaker 2: It was an extraordinary, powerful address. Now things have got
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Speaker 2: to change, obviously very rapidly, and Iran has reportedly already
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Speaker 2: said more than one hundred drones toward Israel, vowing to
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Speaker 2: have quote a harsh response. Let's hope things don't escalate
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Speaker 2: too much further. But I don't hold my breath for that.
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Speaker 2: I've got to tell.
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Speaker 1: You, this is a really dangerous time.
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Speaker 2: Let's head now to Tel Aviv and joining me human
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Speaker 2: rights lawyer Arsen Ostrowsky, give us an idea, give us
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Speaker 2: a sense, and thanks for joining us. It's a lunch
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Speaker 2: come out lunchtime where you are in Tel Aviv. How
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Speaker 2: does it feel to be there right now?
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Speaker 4: Look, it's a little bit surreal. It was an early
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Speaker 4: start in the morning. It's never pleasant to have to
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Speaker 4: wake kids up at four o'clock in the morning and
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Speaker 4: rush them to shelter. Regrettably, we'll become rather accustomed to that,
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Speaker 4: certainly in the last two years, since since October seventh.
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Speaker 4: You know, Israeli is famous for disagreeing just about everything
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Speaker 4: when it comes to politics, but there is overwhelming, i
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Speaker 4: would say, cond census here on support behind the gun
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Speaker 4: and behind the idea of forces, and the understanding that
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Speaker 4: Iran presents not just a mere threat but an existential threat.
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Speaker 4: And faced with these circumstances, as Australia would if they're
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Speaker 4: in the same position that the government has to do
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Speaker 4: what it has to do and protected citizens and defend
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Speaker 4: its nation.
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Speaker 1: Is the city still in lockdown?
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Speaker 4: It's I wouldn't coll necessarily lockdown, but it's definitely on
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Speaker 4: its very cautious So the Home Front Commands System here
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Speaker 4: in Israel, which is the internal warning system, has advised
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Speaker 4: the residents to not via too far. But at the moment,
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Speaker 4: people are going about their daily routines, but mindful that
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Speaker 4: it is inevitable that Iran will strike back at some point.
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Speaker 2: So, and you mentioned your children, how do they cope
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Speaker 2: with something like this?
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Speaker 4: Well, again, you know, sadly, this is not the first
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Speaker 4: time they've had to go to shelter, certainly since October seventh.
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Speaker 4: In the early days it was a repetitive and more
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Speaker 4: recently as well as we've seen with the attacks by
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Speaker 4: the Huti terrorists one after the other. Again, it's at
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Speaker 4: a point where my oldest daughter is asking me who
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Speaker 4: the rockets are being fired from.
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Speaker 1: This time, we.
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Speaker 2: Played some of the Prime Minister's comments. They are very
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Speaker 2: strong words, obviously, and stronger action militarily overnight. You mentioned
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Speaker 2: that there is some consensus. I mean, we watch from
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Speaker 2: a distance and we do see that the Israeli population
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Speaker 2: do split often on what their government does and says.
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Speaker 2: You believe that they support this largely support this attack
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Speaker 2: on Iran and the fact that the nuclear capability has
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Speaker 2: to be neuted.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look overwhelming. Really, there's no debate around that. From
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Speaker 4: our perspective here, this is not an act of aggression. Rather,
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Speaker 4: this is an act of last resort. We're dealing here
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Speaker 4: against Iran genocatle enemy that is time and time again,
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Speaker 4: repeatedly thread at Israel's annihilation. That is called Israel a
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Speaker 4: cancerous tumor that must be eliminated. For decades, it has
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Speaker 4: supported proxy tero groups Amas has Bala Islamic Jihad, the
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Speaker 4: Hutis more recently, and then we've seen from intelligence and
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Speaker 4: satellite imagery in the last last two weeks that they
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Speaker 4: are really advancing the enrichment enrichment weapons Richmond of the
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Speaker 4: nuclear weapons grade to a level that is really veering
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Speaker 4: to the point of no return. We've seen them, seen
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Speaker 4: their underground facilities being exposed. And then just the other day,
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Speaker 4: the IEA, the nuclear watchdog, had actually spoken out, i
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Speaker 4: think for the first time in some like twenty plus years,
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Speaker 4: to say that Iran is in each of their duties
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Speaker 4: for non nuclear, non proliferations. So really fatally circumstances, Iran
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Speaker 4: has been attacking us time and time again. This isn't
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Speaker 4: a shadow or this has been an active war by
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Speaker 4: Iran now for some time. Israel's really left with an alternative,
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Speaker 4: just like Australia would.
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Speaker 2: If Iroun were to be allowed to develop nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 2: Do you think they'd be crazy enough to use them?
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Speaker 4: Look, I think, as you quoted promising Nata Yahuo in
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Speaker 4: your opening remarks, that history has certainly taught the Jewish
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Speaker 4: people when there those who seek our annihilation, we should
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Speaker 4: believe them. And they have time and time again threatened
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Speaker 4: Israel with annihilation. They have called us a tumorous cancer.
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Speaker 4: They must be eradicated. They have acted on these intentions
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Speaker 4: by supporting terror groups that are devoted to Israel's destruction.
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Speaker 4: So it really is a threat that is taken very seriously,
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Speaker 4: and even more so after October seventh.
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Speaker 2: We know how horrendous October seven was. Israel len was
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Speaker 2: forced into battles on several fronts, Gaza, Lebanon, the Hooties,
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Speaker 2: and now we're run. Does the population get us and
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Speaker 2: does it get weary of all of this? Do you
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Speaker 2: get to the point where, oh my god, can we
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Speaker 2: just solve this issue?
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 4: I can assure you people here want nothing more than that.
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Speaker 4: We don't want to see our children go to the
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Speaker 4: front lines. We don't want to see children in Gaza
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Speaker 4: being affected by being placed in the position they have
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Speaker 4: been placed by Hamas. We want families united. We want
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Speaker 4: to go on about our daily lives. We do not
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Speaker 4: want to fight, but we have faced food situation where
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Speaker 4: we have no alternative but to fight. The cost of
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Speaker 4: action here is certainly high, but the cost of inaction
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Speaker 4: for the world's only Jewish state is existential.
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Speaker 2: Us and good luck, stay safe and stay well over
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Speaker 2: the next few days. Let's go now to the issue
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Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: Now we know PM Albanese. He's on a plane.
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Speaker 2: He stopped off in Figi on his way to the
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Speaker 2: G seven summit. Now he hopes to be able to
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Speaker 2: meet with Donald Trump. There's no guarantees that will happen. Obviously.
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Speaker 2: When he got to Fiji, he was asked what he
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Speaker 2: thought of the situation in the Middle East. He was
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albernezi's response.
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Speaker 6: We want to see a dialogue.
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Speaker 7: We of course, are very conscious of the threat that
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Speaker 7: Iran becoming a nuclear state would represent toive peace and
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Speaker 7: security in the region as well. We want to see
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Speaker 7: these issues resolve through dialogue, and the United States has
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Speaker 7: been playing an important role there.
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Speaker 2: Forgive me dialogue, I mean seriously, I mean, can we
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Speaker 2: not be a bit stronger than that?
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Speaker 1: Joining me now?
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Speaker 2: Australian Strategic Policy Institute senior analyst Malcolm Davis just on
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Speaker 2: Israel's strikes. Malcolm on Iran, how quickly could this escalate further?
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Speaker 1: Do you think?
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Speaker 8: I think the ball is very much in Iran's court
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Speaker 8: in terms of how it retaliates against the Israelia attacks.
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Speaker 8: If the Iranians did something foolish and attacked a US
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Speaker 8: military unit, then I think that would bring the Americans
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Speaker 8: in very quickly and you would see the war escalate
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Speaker 8: that way. The Iranians potentially could also do other things.
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Speaker 8: They could try to close the Strait of Horror, moves
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Speaker 8: to choke off the world's oil supply from the Persian Gulf,
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Speaker 8: and they could also use insert proxy forces and terrorists
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Speaker 8: across the region and even beyond to attack US and
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Speaker 8: Israeli interests around the world. So there are ways this
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Speaker 8: could escalate. I think that this war will continue on
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Speaker 8: for a number of days. Clearly the Israelis do have
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Speaker 8: yet to finally take down all of Iran's nuclear facilities,
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Speaker 8: such as at four Doh, But I think that the
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Speaker 8: Israelis will continue this war until they do so.
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Speaker 2: Malcame on what you've read so far on how successful
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Speaker 2: the overnight attack on Iran was and the individuals and
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Speaker 2: were taken out by these attacks. It seems to me
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Speaker 2: from a distance, and I really like your view on this,
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Speaker 2: that it was largely successful. They've achieved it appears already
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Speaker 2: what their major achievements were going to be.
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Speaker 8: I look, they have hit soft facilities such as Natans,
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Speaker 8: which has a large enrichment capacity, and they've hit Iraq,
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Speaker 8: which is a heavy water facility. But there's another facility
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Speaker 8: which everyone is focused on called four do which is
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Speaker 8: a deeply buried, hardened facility that is full of uranium
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Speaker 8: enrichment centrifuges. If the Israelis can't destroy four Dooh, then
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Speaker 8: the Iranians can reconstitute their uranium enrichment capability very quickly
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Speaker 8: and thus moved towards nuclear weapons. So it's really critical
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Speaker 8: that the Israelis have some way of attacking that particular
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Speaker 8: site in the coming days. The other aspect of these attacks,
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Speaker 8: of course, is against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard core military leadership,
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Speaker 8: and they're the Israelis have been very successful in taking
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Speaker 8: out a large number of the key senior military leadership
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Speaker 8: of the IRGC.
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Speaker 2: How nervous are you about the noises coming out of
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Speaker 2: the United States about orcas.
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Speaker 8: I'm not too nervous. Look, I think it was to
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Speaker 8: be expected that the Trump administration would take another look
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Speaker 8: at ORC. I think that Australia has, dare I say it,
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Speaker 8: some cards to play here in terms of influencing the
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Speaker 8: review in a positive way. I think if we have
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Speaker 8: the courage to increase our defense spending sign significantly in
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Speaker 8: a visible way and invest in the sorts of capabilities
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Speaker 8: that the US would find useful in the taking operations
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Speaker 8: across the Inn Pacific region, could really benefit both US
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Speaker 8: and also the Americans in terms of helping them understand
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Speaker 8: that we are going to actually contribute and we are
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Speaker 8: going to pull our weight in the region rather than
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Speaker 8: free loading. So I do think that it's up to us,
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Speaker 8: but it's also I think in America's interest not to
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Speaker 8: walk away from ORCUS.
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Speaker 2: How important is it that Anthony Albanezi manages to get
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Speaker 2: himself in front of Donald Trump on that visit to
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Speaker 2: the G seven.
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Speaker 8: I think it's absolutely vital. You know, here you have
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Speaker 8: our most important strategic ally, the United States, that is
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Speaker 8: undertaking not only a review of ORCUS, but it's also
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Speaker 8: a key partner in various different other defense and national
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Speaker 8: security arrangements. For you know, the Prime Minister to go
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Speaker 8: to Canada and not sit down with Donald Trump, I
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Speaker 8: think would be a huge mistake. So I think it's
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Speaker 8: really important that you know, the Prime Minister's staff make
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Speaker 8: make that meeting happen.
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Speaker 2: Well, as you know, I mean, face to face dialogue
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Speaker 2: is much more effective than trying to do it over
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Speaker 2: a telephone call, isn't it. I think we lost maybe
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Speaker 2: we might have lost Malcolm there. But the point is
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Speaker 2: if you can get in front of Donald Trump, I
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Speaker 2: think you have much more success than if you're trying
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Speaker 2: to do it through other diplomats and other personalities. Now
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Speaker 2: coming up after the break, the UK has forged ahead
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Speaker 2: with nuclear energy. You've got to ask the question, why
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Speaker 2: do Australia's leaders seem so determined to ignore what we have? Plus,
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Speaker 2: the Albanize government faces backlash over its sanctions on to
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Speaker 2: Israeli ministers. We'll get to that straight after the break.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier this week, the UK government announced
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Speaker 2: plans to lead the world in nuclear energies Golden Age,
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Speaker 2: that's the words of the British government.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This includes a thirty billion dollar investment to build a
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Speaker 2: nuclear plant in the southeast of England. Yet back here
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Speaker 2: in Australia, with all the uranium we have in this country,
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Speaker 2: we can't even have a eight about lifting the nuclear
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Speaker 2: moratorium which is in place in every state around the country,
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Speaker 2: even though we're meant to be getting nuclear powered submarines
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Speaker 2: maybe one day under the ORCUST agreement. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: is former Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organization and Stow CEO,
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Speaker 2: doctor Addie Patterson. Great to have you on the program.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to UCAS in a second, but add in
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Speaker 2: your world, what's the feeling about how advanced and how
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Speaker 2: close Iran might be in developing a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 5: I think monitoring Iran is a critical issue, always has been.
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Speaker 5: They've got very strong ambitions on the defense and aggression
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Speaker 5: side of nuclear and they are very very sophisticated economy,
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Speaker 5: and I think every measure we can take to persuade
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Speaker 5: them to stop that process or to find ways to
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Speaker 5: make sure that that process doesn't have and it is
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Speaker 5: really crucial for global security.
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Speaker 2: If they possessed a weapon like that, do you think
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Speaker 2: they'd be crazy enough to use it?
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Speaker 5: Look, I think the difficulty once you've got a nuclear
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Speaker 5: capability is making sure that the civilian part of the
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Speaker 5: government is totally in control of the defense people, because
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Speaker 5: the people who make the silly choices are the people
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Speaker 5: who see themselves essentially as leading with a military perspective.
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Speaker 5: I think of the sort of the Hitley years, and
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Speaker 5: what happens then is the whole system distorts. You get
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Speaker 5: that complex where everybody believes that the military power is
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Speaker 5: the real way to get society to work, and you
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Speaker 5: use coercion, you use bands, you use all sorts of inappropriate,
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Speaker 5: non democratic ways of getting things done. And that includes
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Speaker 5: at the same time building up these very sophisticated engineering
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Speaker 5: capabilities that the Iranians are doing.
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Speaker 2: Addie, let's talk about the more popular use of nuclear energy,
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Speaker 2: and that is to power our homes in industry. I
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Speaker 2: was staggered this week we see the comments from Ed
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Speaker 2: Milliband in the UK they are going full bore on nuclear.
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Speaker 2: They call it a new nuclear golden age. We can't
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Speaker 2: even see them in this country. And I know you've
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Speaker 2: been leading the debate about this forever. To have a
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Speaker 2: sensible debate about doing what the UK is doing. The
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Speaker 2: UK governments, you know, it's a hard left labor government,
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Speaker 2: much like our own government. Why is there this reluctance
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Speaker 2: still in Australia to even have a discussion about this.
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Speaker 5: It's really strange to me, you know, coming out of
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Speaker 5: the transition out away from a pie ete in South
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Speaker 5: Africa and being a bit of a lefty myself, I
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Speaker 5: cannot understand how our government thinks that the current energy policy,
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Speaker 5: which is based on dilute renewables, can get us to
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Speaker 5: a really reliable low cost to consumers. The cost at
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Speaker 5: the met This government fundamentally mixes up the cost at
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Speaker 5: the fence of the facility, which is really cheap if
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Speaker 5: you do solar and wind, with the cost at the
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Speaker 5: meter to the consumer, which goes up if you have
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Speaker 5: too much solar and wind.
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Speaker 1: So we know this already.
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Speaker 5: You can do this on a big spreadsheet and it's
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Speaker 5: been done in Australia by people like doctor Robert By
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Speaker 5: for example, who's got a very sophisticated model which he
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Speaker 5: spent nearly half a million of today's dollars developing, with
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Speaker 5: a very good weather model underneath it. And we know
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Speaker 5: that the cheapest form of energy working with renewables, not
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Speaker 5: fighting with renewables, is nuclear plus renewables and as few
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Speaker 5: batteries as possible. That My background was in batteries before
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Speaker 5: I got into nuclear. New batteries of buckets of electrons.
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Speaker 5: And they're expensive, and big new goods are really really expensive.
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Speaker 5: And we're doing all of this to dilute the quality
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Speaker 5: of our energy and the ability to do things like
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Speaker 5: make aluminium and reduce the cost to consumers and have
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Speaker 5: high quality services like high speed train services and sign
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Speaker 5: that we don't really have yet as a country. Instead,
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Speaker 5: we're pursuing this crazy dream which is on the input
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Speaker 5: side of the energy economy, which is we want to
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Speaker 5: be a world leader in zero carbon with renewables, which
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Speaker 5: has never been done anywhere and which is a grave mistake.
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Speaker 2: I like, just finally to try and look at things
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Speaker 2: with a common sense point of view. A country as
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Speaker 2: big as Australia that needs to get its manufacturing industry
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Speaker 2: back up and running more strongly.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you use.
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Speaker 2: Every aspect of energy production that nation possesses.
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Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely right.
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Speaker 5: I think the crucial thing is to recognize that if
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Speaker 5: you've got an ORCUS with a huge number of people
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Speaker 5: who are going to have nuclear you'd want to use
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Speaker 5: those skills to not do fields full of panels, because
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Speaker 5: the panels we bring in essentially from China, the wind
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Speaker 5: turbines we get from bankrupt companies in Europe, and between
22:28
Speaker 5: the bankrupt companies in Europe and solar in China, we're
22:32
Speaker 5: hollowing out any manufacturing capability we've got. Whereas if we
22:35
Speaker 5: went for some really classy microreactors, some smaller medium reactors,
22:42
Speaker 5: and maybe some big ones, we would take the Orcus
22:46
Speaker 5: workforce fourteen thousand people, most of whom will be nuclear savvy,
22:51
Speaker 5: who when they get a little bit older and they
22:53
Speaker 5: want to get promoted, they won't have any jobs. And
22:57
Speaker 5: the greatest risk of ORCUS is the loss of the
23:00
Speaker 5: talent that is built up over the next decade because
23:03
Speaker 5: they'll all be nuclear savvy, but they won't to have
23:05
Speaker 5: a civilian nuclear industry to go into.
23:09
Speaker 2: Andie A was a pleasure to catch up with you.
23:11
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on this Friday night. Now joining
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Speaker 2: me now, Alex Ripchen is the co chief executive obviously
23:17
Speaker 2: the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
23:19
Speaker 1: Alex, good to see you again.
23:21
Speaker 2: Let's go first to the news overnight Israel and the
23:24
Speaker 2: decision to launch what the President has called preemptive strikes
23:29
Speaker 2: against Iran. He made a very strong speech in justification
23:34
Speaker 2: for those attacks. I don't think anyone could argue that
23:36
Speaker 2: it wasn't the right thing to do. What did you
23:39
Speaker 2: make of it?
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Speaker 9: Well, look, this is an art born of necessity. As
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Speaker 9: you said, I mean, Iran is getting close and closer
23:47
Speaker 9: to a nuclear breakout. Earlier in the week, the Yuan's
23:50
Speaker 9: atomic agency confirmed that Iran had violated the terms of
23:54
Speaker 9: its non proliferation. We've seen for Peter of about twenty years,
23:58
Speaker 9: Israel and its allies of the US taking intra measures
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Speaker 9: to try to stall the progress of the nuclear program,
24:05
Speaker 9: things like cyber assaults, things like picking off the nuclear scientists,
24:10
Speaker 9: and limited military attacks. And the intelligence was showing that
24:14
Speaker 9: they were days or weeks away from a nuclear breakout,
24:17
Speaker 9: and that is something that would be catastrophic, primarily to Israel.
24:22
Speaker 9: Who the Ragin regime regularly pledges to wipe off the
24:25
Speaker 9: face of the earth, but also to the world. I mean,
24:27
Speaker 9: you look at what Iran has done over the past
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Speaker 9: just a few years under the threat of acquiring nuclear weapons,
24:34
Speaker 9: the habit it's sold in Syria, by propping up the
24:36
Speaker 9: Asad regime, what it's done by ripping Lebanon apart, by
24:40
Speaker 9: supporting Hezbla, it's controlled the Hoodies, and what that's done
24:44
Speaker 9: to shipping in the region.
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Speaker 1: There So it.
24:48
Speaker 9: Got to a point where Israel had to act. It's
24:50
Speaker 9: acted decisively. I think we need to wait for the
24:53
Speaker 9: dust to settle figuratively and literally to understand the extent
24:57
Speaker 9: of the attack and how far it's set back the
24:59
Speaker 9: nuclear ambition. But we know the top three generals in
25:02
Speaker 9: the Reignian Army have been knocked off, two of their
25:05
Speaker 9: leading nuclear scientists, the majority of the nuclear facilities have
25:08
Speaker 9: been here, and I think this would be a real
25:12
Speaker 9: game changer in the region. I think something that was
25:14
Speaker 9: badly needed and certainly acts an interest of peace in
25:17
Speaker 9: the long term.
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Speaker 2: Alex pretty One, the Australian Foreign minister, who I think
25:24
Speaker 2: has had a pretty poor couple of weeks if not
25:26
Speaker 2: a couple of months she has said, oh, look, you know,
25:29
Speaker 2: we need to urge caution here.
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Speaker 10: She is these risks further destabilizing a region that is
25:35
Speaker 10: already volatile. We call on all parties to a refrain
25:39
Speaker 10: from actions and rhetoric they will further would further exacerbate tensions.
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Speaker 2: We also played some comments from the Prime Minister earlier.
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Speaker 2: I'm just not sure they quite are across exactly how
25:53
Speaker 2: important what's happened overnight actually is.
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Speaker 9: Look, you know, the Prime Minister is concerned, as are
26:01
Speaker 9: we all, about the prospects of an escalation. And I
26:04
Speaker 9: can tell you that the strange Jewish community, with deep
26:07
Speaker 9: personal and family ties to Israel, is very concerned right
26:10
Speaker 9: now about the possible retaliation. About our family and loved
26:15
Speaker 9: ones huddling in bomb shelters right now. No one wants
26:18
Speaker 9: to see escalation. But what Senator Wong also spoke about
26:21
Speaker 9: in that press conference was that the world needs to
26:23
Speaker 9: stop around from acquiring nuclear weapons. But what she didn't
26:26
Speaker 9: talk about, and no one seems to talk about in
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Speaker 9: the Western world, is how we're going to do that.
26:31
Speaker 9: And we've seen a drawn out political diplomatic process for
26:34
Speaker 9: a long time which we now know Iran merely used
26:37
Speaker 9: to obtain sanctions relief and deepen its grip on the
26:40
Speaker 9: Middle East and continue its covert nuclear program. And ultimately,
26:44
Speaker 9: it takes the daring and the conviction and the strength
26:47
Speaker 9: of the Israeli military to do what the world wants
26:50
Speaker 9: to see done, which is the restraint of the Ranian regime.
26:53
Speaker 9: And foremost, I hope the beneficiaries will be the raining
26:56
Speaker 9: people themselves. You've got a wonderful raniing diaspora in this
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Speaker 9: country around the world who loathed that regime and what
27:03
Speaker 9: it's done to one's prosperous and mighty country. And I
27:06
Speaker 9: hope that these attacks will precipitate the end of that
27:09
Speaker 9: regime and the restoration of a peaceful and modern and safe.
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Speaker 2: Aaron Alex, I want to ask you about these sanctions
27:17
Speaker 2: the Australian government has applied against two Israeli ministers. Last
27:22
Speaker 2: night we had former Labor MP Michael Danby, who designed
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Speaker 2: these laws, effectively slamming Penny Wong for using them against.
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Speaker 1: A democratic state.
27:31
Speaker 2: Israel's finance minister has also accused Australia and four other
27:36
Speaker 2: nations of making quote a grave mistake here what do
27:39
Speaker 2: you make of this?
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Speaker 9: Well, I'm always reluctant to agree with anything Smatridge says.
27:45
Speaker 9: He's very much not my kind of guy. But I
27:48
Speaker 9: am happy to agree with Michael Danby, my old friend,
27:51
Speaker 9: and he's correct that the reason that these sorts of
27:54
Speaker 9: sanctions were introduced internationally, the Mcnitski style sanctions, they named
28:00
Speaker 9: after a Russian anti corruption activist who was tortured and
28:05
Speaker 9: died in custody, and it's to basically restrain political figures
28:10
Speaker 9: in despotic, autocratic, non democratic countries who commit horrific human
28:16
Speaker 9: rights violations like killing political dissidents. Now, in this case, again,
28:21
Speaker 9: I'm not minded to defend ben Vera's motridge. I think
28:24
Speaker 9: they say some really objectionable things. But the forements they
28:27
Speaker 9: said that they're being sanctioned because of their rhetoric, because
28:30
Speaker 9: of words they've said about activities in the West Bank
28:33
Speaker 9: and encouraging settler violence. Now that would be my assessment
28:36
Speaker 9: I think in Michael Dambies as well as severe lowering
28:39
Speaker 9: of that threshold, and it begs the question, who else
28:43
Speaker 9: and in what other democratic allied countries are we going
28:46
Speaker 9: to start identifying firebrand minor politicians like these guys and
28:52
Speaker 9: sanctioning them other things they've said rather than the things
28:54
Speaker 9: they've done, which was the intent of the legislation.
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Speaker 3: Ale.
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Speaker 2: It's great to catch Thank you very much for joining
29:01
Speaker 2: us on this Friday Night. Now, coming up after the
29:04
Speaker 2: break with Tasmanians, they're going back to the election. Imagine
29:09
Speaker 2: having to go back to another poll. How are the
29:11
Speaker 2: cards for for the underfire Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe plus job
29:15
Speaker 2: Psuto and the Victorian political saga. I mean, what a
29:18
Speaker 2: disaster that is. We'll talk all that next with my
29:20
Speaker 2: Friday regular Campbell Newman.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back.
29:25
Speaker 2: Two hundred and ninety dead in that Air India horrific
29:28
Speaker 2: accident that happened over night. Two hundred and ninety people
29:32
Speaker 2: in a Dreamliner aircraft that that Air India plane itself
29:36
Speaker 2: was actually in Melbourne last Sunday. Or talked to aviation
29:40
Speaker 2: expert and current still flying pilot Barren Bowley about that. Shortly,
29:44
Speaker 2: let's join though our Friday Night regular form Mcqueensland Premier
29:47
Speaker 2: Campbell Newman himself, who I didn't realize once lived in
29:52
Speaker 2: or grew up. Did you in Tasmania?
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Speaker 1: Campbell?
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Speaker 11: I did it?
29:57
Speaker 1: I did.
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Speaker 12: Indeed, Steve I did my high school years in Lonceston,
30:02
Speaker 12: also lived in Hobart for a short while. My late
30:05
Speaker 12: parents were both Federal politicians out of Tasmania as well,
30:09
Speaker 12: so I've got some strong links there to this very day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you must have a soft spot for the island.
30:17
Speaker 2: I mean I visited it many times. It's fantastic. I
30:20
Speaker 2: note today that the Nationals leader Bridget Mackenzie, Deputy Leader
30:24
Speaker 2: Bridget Mackenzie, she said Tasmanias had quote had enough of
30:28
Speaker 2: being ignored by the major parties and we're looking for
30:31
Speaker 2: more than a protest party for the stable way forward.
30:34
Speaker 2: Sounds like the Nationals might be trying to get a
30:36
Speaker 2: bit of a foothold in Tazzy.
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Speaker 1: To me, what do you think, Well, look.
30:40
Speaker 12: They've been there going back many decades. I mean my
30:45
Speaker 12: good mate Frank Casamadi from school days. His dad was
30:49
Speaker 12: a National Party identity back in seventy four to seventy
30:53
Speaker 12: five for example. So they've been there and I suppose
30:57
Speaker 12: it's waxed and waned over the years.
31:00
Speaker 11: Think about Tasmanias.
31:01
Speaker 12: You've got this hair Clark election system which is also
31:06
Speaker 12: used in the Act. And the trouble with it, Steve,
31:09
Speaker 12: is it just is a recipe for serving up these
31:13
Speaker 12: I suppose hung parliaments.
31:14
Speaker 11: It is difficult to get a working majority.
31:17
Speaker 12: The House has got thirty five currently, the Libs have
31:20
Speaker 12: got Forden.
31:21
Speaker 11: They've been a minority.
31:23
Speaker 12: They had some defections as well over the last few years,
31:26
Speaker 12: and a fair few recriminations about that. But the entry
31:30
Speaker 12: of the Nationals is quite interesting, that sort of dynamic.
31:34
Speaker 12: I was talking to one figured down in Tasmania this
31:38
Speaker 12: afternoon just to check a few things, and I put
31:40
Speaker 12: to this individual that perhaps this would mean that disaffected
31:45
Speaker 12: Liberals who are cranky with the party would have a
31:49
Speaker 12: conservative alternative. And of course we've got the news that
31:54
Speaker 12: Jackie Lamby won't be supporting the people who are part
31:57
Speaker 12: of her supposed network.
31:59
Speaker 11: So it is very complicated. Mate.
32:03
Speaker 12: As to what will happen, I don't know. I will
32:06
Speaker 12: say as well that the Premier is actually quite popular,
32:09
Speaker 12: so that's the reason that no one in the Liberal
32:13
Speaker 12: Party would take him on, and that's why the Labor
32:15
Speaker 12: Party were trying to blast him out of office in
32:18
Speaker 12: the last week or so.
32:21
Speaker 11: We will see.
32:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rockcliffe seems to me to be an entirely decent
32:27
Speaker 2: sort of person. Speaking about the Liberals, I mean in
32:29
Speaker 2: Victoria where I am the New South Wales. I mean, seriously,
32:33
Speaker 2: they're just trying to tear themselves apart. And I mean,
32:35
Speaker 2: you've now got this more deeming case. John Persuto is
32:38
Speaker 2: supposed to pay these legal costs in the high six figures.
32:43
Speaker 2: She has cooked up some offer to him to try
32:47
Speaker 2: and do a deal. I mean, can the Liberal Party
32:50
Speaker 2: at any point in time concentrate on attempting to get
32:54
Speaker 2: themselves elected They've only been elected for one term in
32:57
Speaker 2: about the last fifteen years. Spend some time developing policy
33:02
Speaker 2: and trying to work out how to get back into power.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, Steve, that's what it requires. It requires that to
33:09
Speaker 12: get this matter sorted out and to actually with the
33:14
Speaker 12: new leader of the opposition get on and take the
33:16
Speaker 12: fight to the Labor Party. And there are plenty of
33:18
Speaker 12: things that they could be taking up with the government
33:22
Speaker 12: and it is extruly bad government. But look, look, I
33:27
Speaker 12: have been a strong support of my redeeming. I think
33:29
Speaker 12: she was treated terribly by Perzuto and other leaders leadership
33:33
Speaker 12: figures in the party. I think that Perzuto shouldn't be
33:37
Speaker 12: being protected by Jeff Kennet and other people. I'm sorry Jeff.
33:42
Speaker 12: You know they've gone into bat with him. He has
33:45
Speaker 12: made terrible errors of judgment. He needs to pay the price.
33:48
Speaker 12: And if the price of that's to go bankrupt, so Bert,
33:52
Speaker 12: he shouldn't be tapping party down is to try and
33:54
Speaker 12: bail the guy out. And really, mister Perzuto, he needs
33:59
Speaker 12: to pay here's bills. The courts ordered that there's a
34:02
Speaker 12: significant damages award against him. He needs to stump up,
34:06
Speaker 12: be a man and meet your obligations. Now, my final point, though,
34:10
Speaker 12: is I'm really concerned that by redeeming has in the
34:14
Speaker 12: way that this has been presented, potentially overstepped the mark.
34:18
Speaker 12: I think demanding your pre selection be a foregone conclusion,
34:26
Speaker 12: things like that, I'm afraid that was probably poorly advised.
34:31
Speaker 12: But should she be seeking the money, the repayment the
34:34
Speaker 12: repayment of those damages Money's absolutely she's got to be
34:38
Speaker 12: right to do that. And the Liberal Party really shouldn't
34:41
Speaker 12: be going after an the end of the day. They
34:42
Speaker 12: need to settle it, they need to get to work,
34:45
Speaker 12: and they.
34:45
Speaker 11: Need to give Victorians a real alternative.
34:50
Speaker 2: Goodnnie Campbell took to you next Friday night. Now, two
34:52
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety people as I mentioned dead Boeing seven
34:55
Speaker 2: eight seven Dreamliner. A lot of us have flown on
34:58
Speaker 2: this aircraft. It has crashed, did crash into a residential
35:01
Speaker 2: area of a Matabad in western India just after takeoff.
35:06
Speaker 2: Now we've seen the vision over and over and over,
35:09
Speaker 2: a warning that some viewers might find the vision distressing.
35:12
Speaker 2: Now the air ind of your plane, it was bound
35:14
Speaker 2: to London Gatwick barely left the runway when it was
35:17
Speaker 2: seen coming back to Earth. The only nine s of
35:20
Speaker 2: Ova recovering your hospital after managing to escape. And I
35:23
Speaker 2: can't believe how this would happen, had said, he just
35:27
Speaker 2: walked through an emergency door. Sky News Aviation expert Captain
35:30
Speaker 2: Byron Bailey. I saw him on Sky earlier this morning.
35:33
Speaker 2: He's had time during the day to think this through.
35:36
Speaker 2: Have you come up with a theory? Do you think, Byron,
35:39
Speaker 2: that this might have been And I know you don't
35:41
Speaker 2: like to say this pilot error?
35:44
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, yes, it's kind of obvious if you look
35:48
Speaker 6: at the video. Steve long time by the way, since
35:53
Speaker 6: I spoke with you. Yeah, two things stand out very
35:58
Speaker 6: very well. And people are going to get angry by
36:01
Speaker 6: say it's pile of error. But Hey, I'm a thirty
36:04
Speaker 6: thousand now former Triple seven captain and I'm still flying
36:08
Speaker 6: private jets, so I know exactly what happens on takeoff.
36:12
Speaker 6: There's two speeds that matter. When you're running down the runway,
36:15
Speaker 6: you get the call V one, which is around one
36:18
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty knots, and that's the speed you mus
36:22
Speaker 6: continue to take off. If anything goes on, you continue.
36:26
Speaker 6: Then you get the call rotate and the pile of
36:30
Speaker 6: flying you're normally the captain will pull back on the
36:33
Speaker 6: yoke to about fifteen degrees and you leave the ground,
36:36
Speaker 6: and the other pile will say positive, right to climb
36:39
Speaker 6: because his insiments are showing where you're going up. And
36:42
Speaker 6: the call then is gear up, undercarriage up, gear up,
36:46
Speaker 6: So someone reaches forward and selects the undercarriage up, so
36:50
Speaker 6: by a couple of hundred feet you don't have the
36:53
Speaker 6: undercarriage down. Now, what was weird about this Air India
36:57
Speaker 6: thing was it reached six hundred and twenty five feet
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Speaker 6: one hundred and ninety meters the undercarriage was still down.
37:03
Speaker 6: It means no one selected the undercarriage up. The second
37:07
Speaker 6: thing is you can't take off without flap. Now, something
37:13
Speaker 6: like a seven eight seven. A minimum speed that it
37:17
Speaker 6: can fly without flap is about two forty knots. Yet
37:20
Speaker 6: you were rotating at about one fifty five knots with flap.
37:24
Speaker 6: You must have flap for takeoff because you'll get a
37:28
Speaker 6: configuration warning, like even in the falcon I flight at
37:31
Speaker 6: the moment, if I stick it beyond eighty percent engine
37:35
Speaker 6: thrust for takeoff, it'll scream at me, no takeoff flap.
37:39
Speaker 6: So it got airborne with flap, someone has called for
37:46
Speaker 6: gear up and instead the flap was retracted. Well, if
37:50
Speaker 6: you retract the flap at about one hundred and five
37:52
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty knots, you're going to go immediately into
37:56
Speaker 6: a deep store. An interesting is showing the flight multitude
38:02
Speaker 6: of the aeroplane when it crashed. It was only doing
38:04
Speaker 6: about one hundred and seventy knots when it crashed, and
38:07
Speaker 6: if you're in a deep stall, you're going to need
38:09
Speaker 6: at least five thousand feet to recover. So yeah, it
38:13
Speaker 6: looks very much to me like it was an inadvertent
38:18
Speaker 6: selection of flap up instead of gear up. And really,
38:23
Speaker 6: in a way, it highlights the elephant in the room
38:26
Speaker 6: that our sinny pilots talk about light in that there's
38:29
Speaker 6: been such a rapid expansion of training in the world.
38:33
Speaker 6: Airlines are booming and they're grabbing sort of, so many
38:37
Speaker 6: young guys who are not really qualified sitting in the
38:40
Speaker 6: right seat. I don't know this is the case with
38:42
Speaker 6: their India, but I do know there's a reason why
38:45
Speaker 6: Quantus is the safest stairline in the world that Emirates
38:49
Speaker 6: and British shairways, and they're also safe. It's because they
38:53
Speaker 6: spend the money. They make sure their pilots are fully trained,
38:57
Speaker 6: dissimilated checks all the time. It's to me it's the
39:01
Speaker 6: only possible source people have mentioned. I saw earlier videos.
39:06
Speaker 6: Oh the engine's gonna lost th ust, you know what,
39:09
Speaker 6: both engines and besides the captain or whoever's flying, well,
39:14
Speaker 6: ever's hand on the trust leaders and if they should
39:17
Speaker 6: start retarding, they'll just push them up. This is a tragedy.
39:22
Speaker 6: It's the first, you know, the seven eight seven latest
39:28
Speaker 6: most Sofa stereoplane flying and it's its first crash. So
39:32
Speaker 6: very sad, and the.
39:34
Speaker 1: Speaking it's very sad, Barron thing.
39:38
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll get a result shortly. Thank you very much.
39:40
Speaker 2: Barron notice to catch up with you again. We won't
39:43
Speaker 2: leave it so long next time. Now, coming up after
39:45
Speaker 2: the break, we'll be joined by the panel. Now, look
39:48
Speaker 2: hard working, you're kidding. Politicians are now giving themselves a
39:53
Speaker 2: new pay rise. Can you believe that? Plus Anthony Ibnez,
39:56
Speaker 2: he's meeting with Donald Trump at the G seven. How
39:59
Speaker 2: would the new albanizy actually handle the US President? There's
40:03
Speaker 2: so much riding on it. We'll catch up with our
40:06
Speaker 2: panel after the break.
40:09
Speaker 1: Welcome back now.
40:10
Speaker 2: I think Australians ought to be angry about the two
40:12
Speaker 2: point four percent pay rise our politicians have been given
40:15
Speaker 2: by this Independent Renumeration Tribunal. I mean, guess what since
40:20
Speaker 2: July twenty twenty two, the politicians that serve you well
40:25
Speaker 2: or not and senior public servants have had a twelve
40:29
Speaker 2: point six five percent pay rise that since twenty twenty two.
40:33
Speaker 2: How many people watching US tonight have had their salaries
40:36
Speaker 2: increased by twelve and a half percent since twenty twenty two?
40:40
Speaker 2: I don't believe many of them. On top of that,
40:42
Speaker 2: the current government that won the election, they won it handsomely.
40:46
Speaker 2: They're not going to sit until late June, which means
40:48
Speaker 2: twelve weeks without Parliament sitting in Canberra.
40:52
Speaker 1: I don't know what the delay there is.
40:54
Speaker 2: Twelve weeks seems to be an extraordinary amount of time.
40:57
Speaker 2: Joining me tonight, our panel who join us every Friday night.
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Speaker 2: Joe hildel Brand from the Daily Telegraph. He's with us
41:03
Speaker 2: as well, Joe? Or was it good?
41:05
Speaker 1: Good? Is with us as well? Amanda?
41:10
Speaker 2: Have you had a twelve point five percent pay rise
41:14
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty two or any people who you represent?
41:19
Speaker 11: Well, let me tell you that on behalf.
41:21
Speaker 13: Of the small business community across Australia, where thirty percent
41:25
Speaker 13: aren't even paying themselves a wage to begin with, they
41:28
Speaker 13: are most definitely not getting a pay rise. This is
41:32
Speaker 13: such an example of the disconnect of politicians in general
41:38
Speaker 13: and the hard working Australians, especially the small business community.
41:43
Speaker 13: Not only have they not had any relief in any
41:46
Speaker 13: way or in any capacity at all, There's been no
41:50
Speaker 13: relief for small businesses. In fact, they're going to be
41:52
Speaker 13: hit with so much from the first of July they're
41:54
Speaker 13: probably going to have a massive spike of closing down.
41:58
Speaker 13: Then we have politicians that think it's okay to use
42:01
Speaker 13: the taxes that that small business is paying relentlessly to
42:05
Speaker 13: give themselves a pay rise. I think it's revolting and
42:09
Speaker 13: I think it's a reflection of what they actually think
42:11
Speaker 13: of the.
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Speaker 1: People, Joe.
42:15
Speaker 2: I mean, this is an independent tribunal, the renumeration tribunal
42:18
Speaker 2: that was obviously set up, because before it was set up,
42:23
Speaker 2: everyone had say why you're giving yourselves a pay rise?
42:25
Speaker 2: So they can't make that criticism anymore. But it's a
42:29
Speaker 2: bad look in a cost of living crisis where people,
42:34
Speaker 2: as a man of say, are struggling themselves. Most people
42:37
Speaker 2: haven't had any pay rises since twenty twenty two, and
42:40
Speaker 2: yet these people have had twelve and a half percent.
42:43
Speaker 2: Now you can make the argument that you get mugs
42:46
Speaker 2: if you pay people not a lot of money. But
42:49
Speaker 2: our politicians are extremely well renumerated. And on top of that,
42:53
Speaker 2: we the taxpayers, tip money into their superannuation every payday.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, which is miraculously because it is a special,
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Speaker 14: special pension scheme. It may even be exempt from the
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Speaker 14: new thirty percent tax that we have to pay on
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Speaker 14: everything over three million dollars in our super, which quite frankly,
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Speaker 14: I would love to reach that threshold. I would be
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Speaker 14: very happy to get there. But yeah, look, it's it's
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Speaker 14: a bit of a furfee for the government, as governments
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Speaker 14: always do. Our politicians do, say the independent Remuneration Tribune
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Speaker 14: or there's nothing we can do, it's independent. Well, the
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Speaker 14: Fair Work Commission that determines the minimum wage every year
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Speaker 14: is also independent. But the government takes credit for every
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Speaker 14: pay increase that it hands down, and rather so, because
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Speaker 14: of course the government makes commission and says this is
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Speaker 14: what we think people should get, and good on them
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Speaker 14: for doing that. I think low paid workers should get
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Speaker 14: an increase, as we've talked about here. But the politicians
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Speaker 14: themselves could go to the remuneration trouble and say, you
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Speaker 14: know what, guys, don't worry about us this year. We're good.
43:52
Speaker 14: You know, that's fine. You know, maybe give the judges something,
43:55
Speaker 14: you know, I sought them out, but we're good. I
43:57
Speaker 14: think there is nothing wrong with politicians being paid well.
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Speaker 14: But I think in times of economic hardship, it's just
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Speaker 14: a really good symbolic thing to be able to say,
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Speaker 14: it's not a lot of money in the grand scheme
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Speaker 14: of things, but so you know what, we're not going
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Speaker 14: to cop a pay rise. It's been done by other
44:15
Speaker 14: jurisdictions the past. We're not going to cop a pay
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Speaker 14: rise because we know how tough it's doing it and
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Speaker 14: it's just a bad look. And in politics, perception is reality.
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Speaker 2: Amanda, Why do you think there's not more public outrage
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Speaker 2: about this.
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Speaker 13: I think people are exhausted. I think every time they
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Speaker 13: speak out about something, nothing changes, and that's been evident
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Speaker 13: with this particular federal government that no matter how much
44:38
Speaker 13: people cry out saying we need help or we need
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Speaker 13: relief and we need this, especially small businesses, they just
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Speaker 13: ignore them completely. So they're thinking I've lost hope, I
44:47
Speaker 13: can't do anything. It's actually the opposite, though. I think
44:50
Speaker 13: we need to encourage people to speak up and even
44:53
Speaker 13: though they're tired and exhausted, they need to contact their
44:55
Speaker 13: federal MP. They need to complain. They need to ask
44:58
Speaker 13: for reasons why this is happening. They need to demand
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Speaker 13: answers of why their businesses are suffering yet the politicians
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Speaker 13: are getting a pay rise. And also I think we
45:05
Speaker 13: need to bring in KPIs. Why does every other business
45:08
Speaker 13: have KPIs before you get a pay rise, but the
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Speaker 13: politicians don't, because if we did, they would have failed
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Speaker 13: every single one.
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Speaker 2: That's a great point, now, Joe in a very positive way.
45:19
Speaker 2: You know Anthony Albanezy better than the Demander or I do.
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Speaker 2: He's on a plane, he gets off in Fiji, then
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Speaker 2: he goes to Seattle, talks to a bunch of business people.
45:29
Speaker 2: He then has to get to Canada for the G seven.
45:32
Speaker 2: When he's sitting in that plane about to land in Canada,
45:35
Speaker 2: what would be going through his mind if he's finally
45:40
Speaker 2: been granted an audience with Donald Trump? I mean a
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Speaker 2: serious point, How will he handle this?
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Speaker 14: I think the first thing is to sort of know
45:52
Speaker 14: where to fight your battles and what sort of ground
45:55
Speaker 14: to stake out. The first and most important thing is
45:57
Speaker 14: going to be UCUS. If we do not have UCUS,
45:59
Speaker 14: then ouration is not secure in the region. And the
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Speaker 14: first job of any leader of government is to make
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Speaker 14: sure that their nation is safe or secure from external threats.
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Speaker 14: So ORCUS has to be the number one bargaining chip.
46:14
Speaker 14: Donald Trump has made it clear that everything is up
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Speaker 14: for grabs now and that nothing is sacred. It's all
46:18
Speaker 14: been put under review. He's clearly done that as a
46:21
Speaker 14: kind of strong arm negotiating strategy. There's no such things
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Speaker 14: as coincidences in politics, and so I think you'll see
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Speaker 14: Anthony Alberanezi looking around for ways in which you can
46:32
Speaker 14: bolster defense spending, maybe some big, exciting new things that
46:37
Speaker 14: he can announce that will plicate Trump and make Trump
46:41
Speaker 14: look like he's got a win, which is almost more
46:43
Speaker 14: important for Trump than the real thing. So Trump can
46:45
Speaker 14: come away and say, look, we're just spending two point
46:48
Speaker 14: three percent of GDP, but they're now going to spend
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Speaker 14: three percent of GDP and twenty sixty five or whenever
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Speaker 14: it is.
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Speaker 1: So I think that will be the first thing.
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Speaker 14: The second will be tariffs. Obviously they are going to
46:59
Speaker 14: have to talk about that and there will have to
47:02
Speaker 14: be some kind of detente. Maybe the ten percent gets
47:05
Speaker 14: applied to Australian steel, because again Donald Trump has made
47:08
Speaker 14: a kind of you know, made a spurious bid that
47:12
Speaker 14: in fact, you know, Australian steel, which is not a
47:14
Speaker 14: huge export market to the US anyway, but should be
47:17
Speaker 14: slugged by I think twenty percent was the last figure
47:19
Speaker 14: he pulled out thin.
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Speaker 1: Air, so there'll be that.
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Speaker 14: I do not think he will raise the issue of
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Speaker 14: the reporter who was shot by a rubber bullet in
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Speaker 14: disgraceful circumstances in la And that's simply because that ain't
47:32
Speaker 14: Donald Trump's jurisdiction. It was not a National guardsman that
47:36
Speaker 14: shot that shot Lauren, and it was a disgraceful thing
47:39
Speaker 14: to do. And I thought it was really creepy and dark,
47:41
Speaker 14: and there's something clearly wrong with what took place. But
47:44
Speaker 14: that was an LAPD officer. That was a card carrying
47:48
Speaker 14: employee of the Democratic mayor of Los Angeles, not the
47:52
Speaker 14: leader of the free world. And the Trots should remember
47:55
Speaker 14: that when they're looking for someone to blame. So I
47:57
Speaker 14: think you're not going to sort of pick up something
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Speaker 14: awkward and uncomfortable and put that as a thought on
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Speaker 14: the side when you're trying to get Australia's national security
48:05
Speaker 14: and economic security over the line.
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Speaker 2: Amanda, you're too young. But the Beach Boys Brian Wilson
48:13
Speaker 2: died this week. I don't know if you've ever heard
48:15
Speaker 2: of him, but I love.
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Speaker 13: The Beach Boysbration, I love the beachst Oh fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Ah.
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Speaker 2: They should be on everyone's player. This is a very
48:28
Speaker 2: very sad week.
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Speaker 1: Thank you both for joining us.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week now coming up tonight,
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Speaker 2: Ron Dean's away, but we're going to replay the documentary
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Speaker 2: with cheng Lei, which is well worth watching.
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Speaker 1: See you next week.