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Is This The Last We Hear From Devin Haney? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Man, Jamison? I'm so excited about today's episode. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Nice nice, very nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, actually, before we get into the big event
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  Speaker 2: coming up, let's talk a little bit about what happened
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  Speaker 2: last Saturday. I watched a top rank fight Rafael Espinosa
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  Speaker 2: from Guadalajara versus Ukrainian Arnold Kagui. So that was a
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  Speaker 2: top rank fight, and we talked previs episode about how
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  Speaker 2: top Rank was starting to be on t B, Pluto TV,
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  Speaker 2: the free stuff. So this is the first Top Rank
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  Speaker 2: I actually watched Top Rank event I watched on TV.
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  Speaker 2: It was good, it worked like, it was easy to find,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the stream was good, no real issues. I
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  Speaker 2: was kind of I'll admit I was kind of down
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  Speaker 2: on top Rank for you know, going from ESPN to
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  Speaker 2: just the free stuff that comes with the TV. You know.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I'll be a little bit more mellow
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  Speaker 2: this week and say that, hey, you know, this is
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  Speaker 2: what's gonna happen for them for the foreseeable future. I'm cool, Like,
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  Speaker 2: unless you have a really old I don't know, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: even even if you don't have a smart TV, as
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  Speaker 2: long as a TV that has apps, they all come
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  Speaker 2: with Pluto. Pluto is free, to b TV is free,
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  Speaker 2: the Roku channel, even if you don't have an actual
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  Speaker 2: Roku device. So top Rank is apparently going to stay
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  Speaker 2: on all of those for the foreseeable future. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think if that's where we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna end up for for a while.
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  Speaker 1: It's your take on So it's like anything else, the
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  Speaker 1: main thing is consistency, right if you're on a channel
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  Speaker 1: or a platform every day. That's all who ask for.
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  Speaker 1: That's all they asked for, is, Hey, I know, if
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  Speaker 1: there's a fight, it's on this channel. This is where
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  Speaker 1: it's at. Everything else is everything else? At this point,
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  Speaker 1: we can't really be bag you know, beggers can't be
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  Speaker 1: choosers at this point. So we know, hey, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be on to me, then it's on to be That's cool.
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  Speaker 1: I just think the main thing is consistency and making
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  Speaker 1: sure the product is of quality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And what kind of made me laugh was when
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  Speaker 2: this when they started broadcasting fights on TV and ed Roku.
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  Speaker 2: You know, two be is the one I use, but
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  Speaker 2: there are several options. They do have a how to
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  Speaker 2: watch instruction menu on Instagram, and I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of bummed me out because you know, you
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  Speaker 2: just turn on the TV and you used to watch
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  Speaker 2: ESPN or HBO and there was fights every you know,
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday nights, right nights. So having to kind of
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  Speaker 2: guide your audience into where to find you is kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, guys, how the mighty have fallen? You know,
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  Speaker 2: you're you know, Manny Packia was top rank you know,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell? Uh? But I get it, you know
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  Speaker 2: it is it is different, And yeah, I I like
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  Speaker 2: the idea of consistency. I don't know, you know how
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  Speaker 2: profitable that is at all? I know, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: do it. Sorry, I should have done my research. But
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  Speaker 2: nothing like to BTV is its own thing. It's all
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  Speaker 2: owned by something else, you know what I mean, Like
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  Speaker 2: they're all they all have their I bet you eventually
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  Speaker 2: one of these things is down by like a Sony
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, so you know, there's eventually there's deep buckets involved.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I just kind of wish that. I just
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  Speaker 2: I hope that consistency safe key with these folks.
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  Speaker 1: But also it's more of the sign of the times,
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  Speaker 1: right because every sport is on different platforms, not like
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  Speaker 1: the old days where NFL is just on NBC and Fox.
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  Speaker 1: It's on every day, it's on five or six. Hell,
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  Speaker 1: they have NFL and Netflix these days, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just some of the times things that are training.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny though, eventually we're all eventually go back to
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  Speaker 1: cable because we you break down these cable bills and everything,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of pocket that eventually we're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: back to what we know, which is cable. But at
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  Speaker 1: the time being right now, a lot of networks and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of apps, and a lot of companies are
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what is the niche that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be up next to boom. So that's why Live contents
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  Speaker 1: always at a premium. So boxing will always have a
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  Speaker 1: home where's unfamiliar where that home is. It's like that
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  Speaker 1: person that always CouchSurfing. You don't know where they're staying at.
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  Speaker 1: But they got a home, but you never know where
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  Speaker 1: they're at. That's kind of like boxing.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. I like that analogy. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: you know, and this is something that I'm sure we've
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  Speaker 2: all heard many times, the grampy complaints. I've I've said
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  Speaker 2: it myself. When every company started, every channel started to
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  Speaker 2: have his own app, it's on streaming app. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it used to be Netflix, Disney got in, but then
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  Speaker 2: AMC Plus and you know this, and that every other
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  Speaker 2: channel had their own their own streaming thing. Well now
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  Speaker 2: we're just doing cable again, but with streaming, because you
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  Speaker 2: have to have a package of all of these things
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  Speaker 2: to get whatever, to get everything you want to watch,
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  Speaker 2: and the price is just ridiculous. And I'm hearing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: from so many people that are I guess if it
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  Speaker 2: was called cord cutting when you move from cable to streaming,
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  Speaker 2: but now they're like legal cutting, so people are fighting
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  Speaker 2: alternatives you know, online to stream everything. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean it's it's kind of ridiculous that we ended up
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  Speaker 2: in the same but we were in. But that's life
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  Speaker 2: and that's capitalism, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's also some time of times. Then
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  Speaker 1: we all evolve, right, I think everything evolves one way
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  Speaker 1: or another, not necessarily all for good, but I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's evolution of how the viewer experiences is right,
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  Speaker 1: easily be paymer view back in the day, or ESPN
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  Speaker 1: back in the day, or HBO back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's hey, you gotta find this app because this
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  Speaker 1: company invested into this, and that's.
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  Speaker 2: Where we're at, right And also, to be fair to
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  Speaker 2: top rank, I was angry last episode because I missed
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  Speaker 2: the MICHAELA. Mayor fight that was on a Thursday night.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the card started at when people were still
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  Speaker 2: driving home from work. This last weekend was Saturday night.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was at the normal times. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I was watching it like a PM or whatever. So
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  Speaker 2: that's a little bit more in line with what with
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  Speaker 2: what I'm used to with the boxing should be what
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  Speaker 2: it has been. So I'm gonna be a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more grace, give up a little bit more grace this week.
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  Speaker 2: How's that That's fair?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: So, but let's forget about what happened last week, because
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  Speaker 2: if you're listening to this, the week that comes out
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  Speaker 2: this Saturday, November twenty second is the next RIAT season card.
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  Speaker 2: Very exciting, a lot of good fighters, and I want
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  Speaker 2: to run through some of these, get some predictions, get
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  Speaker 2: some thoughts on these. So first of actually let's get
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  Speaker 2: this one out of the way. It's Bam Rodriguez, very
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  Speaker 2: talented fighter fighting a dude named Fernando Martinez. Believe you,
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  Speaker 2: Sir Margentina, I don't know for Nano marties very well.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I've seen Bam Rodriguez fight. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: his skills well enough to kind of see like what
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  Speaker 2: got to give a prediction or they're both. Bam is
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  Speaker 2: a very active fighter. The clips I saw from Fernando
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  Speaker 2: Martinez very active fighter. So I'm hoping, you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of action, a lot of punch is thrown
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  Speaker 2: and not a lot of when both guys are very active,
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  Speaker 2: but they're trying to like stay safe and keep their
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  Speaker 2: distance and kind of you know, dance around. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think so these guys look like they look tough. They're
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  Speaker 2: like warriors. They look like they came for you know,
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  Speaker 2: they came to fight and not play. So but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't really have a lot to say about that one.
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  Speaker 2: But here's what I want to get into. Abdullah Mason
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  Speaker 2: from Cleveland, one of the rising stars nineteen to no.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna be fighting guy named Sam Nooks, British guy,
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  Speaker 2: so Sam Noakes. I've I've looked at some clips seventeen
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  Speaker 2: to no. So he's got a lot of power and
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  Speaker 2: he's got a lot of precision. He's one of those
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  Speaker 2: like seeking destroyer fighters who they're throwing lots of punches,
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  Speaker 2: but they're catching their target every time. Okay, Now, one
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  Speaker 2: thing I'll say about Sam Knok's little stiff on his feet.
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  Speaker 2: I think so, I think Abdulah Mason is gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to stick to footwork. He's gonna really really have to
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  Speaker 2: dodge those precision punches. And you know, Abdula's kind of
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  Speaker 2: proved himself to be very good on knockcats. He's got speed,
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  Speaker 2: he's got knockout power, he's fast on his feet.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think about Abdulla Mason, where
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  Speaker 2: he's at and what this card could mean for him
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  Speaker 2: going forward?
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  Speaker 1: He needs to win this fight. The biggest issue is
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  Speaker 1: this is the biggest thing is this is a prime
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  Speaker 1: time showing. All the boxing eyes are watching and it's
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  Speaker 1: like anything else whatever people are watching and we're thinking
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  Speaker 1: about not just this fight, with your future fights. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the big thing about boxing right now is
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  Speaker 1: that yes, we're concerned about the current day fight, but
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  Speaker 1: we're only trying to project, you know, fighters on what's
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  Speaker 1: the next two or three steps, and that's how the
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  Speaker 1: fights are made. That's how the buzz gets made. So
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  Speaker 1: you want guys that have a good buzz, Guys are
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  Speaker 1: on upward trajectory. You want them to put on a
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  Speaker 1: good performance to where their next show is a headliner.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the things you're looking for when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to these type of events. So, if I'm not mistaken,
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  Speaker 1: believe he's the favorite. Let me just double check here,
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  Speaker 1: will Well, we were talking about it, But believe he's
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  Speaker 1: the favorite at the moment. But that's the thing is
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  Speaker 1: you want to have guys like that who are kind
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily kind of a name for themselves, but guys
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  Speaker 1: that people have an idea of and they've been following along.
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  Speaker 1: Those guys are the ones you really want, you know,
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  Speaker 1: putting on a show. He is a mind's five hundred favorite,
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  Speaker 1: so meaning that you have put five hundred to get
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  Speaker 1: one hundred back. He has to put on a show.
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  Speaker 1: He needs to win. There's no excuses, there's no ifans
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  Speaker 1: of budds. If he don't win, it's a colossal failure
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  Speaker 1: of the whole situation. So I'll look forward to him
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  Speaker 1: putting on a big show, and then again once that
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  Speaker 1: takes place, we go on to who he fights next.
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  Speaker 1: Those are things that get talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Right and actually, you know, I'm glad you're pulling up
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  Speaker 2: the odds if you don't mind as I go down
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  Speaker 2: the list for other fighters, if you could have those
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  Speaker 2: as well for the folks. But so here's a question
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  Speaker 2: for you. He said his favorite to win, and he
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  Speaker 2: has to win. What if he does win on a decision,
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  Speaker 2: not a very exciting fight, not a lot of punch
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  Speaker 2: is thrown. Does that mean that he's because I've talked
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  Speaker 2: before about how we write out fighters really really fast.
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  Speaker 2: Is everybody gonna say this guy was a sham the
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  Speaker 2: whole time.
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  Speaker 1: As long as you don't lose, losing is the key.
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  Speaker 1: Once you lose, it's really hard. Once you will lose,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you lose in light this penty fashion, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to get that back. It's very hard to get
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  Speaker 1: that back. Winning ugly is still a win. Everyone is
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  Speaker 1: one ugly. Every one of our favorites is one ugly
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  Speaker 1: or one to fight. That was a close fifty to
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  Speaker 1: fifty fight. That's how it goes. But losing, she hey,
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  Speaker 1: here a thing. If you lose, if you don't get
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  Speaker 1: a if you don't get a rematch, or if you
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  Speaker 1: get a rematchine don't win, your career is totally different.
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  Speaker 1: It's totally different.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. And yeah, you know, my personal
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  Speaker 2: opinion is, like I said, I do think we kind
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  Speaker 2: of the audience kind of turns to turn on fighters
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  Speaker 2: really fast if they have an off night, their first loss,
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, they're abum. You know, they
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  Speaker 2: they they were overrated to begin with. So but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think the kids shown a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of promise. You know, he looks he looks good in
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  Speaker 2: the ring, and he's clearly very very talented. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so the skill is there. The question is we don't
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  Speaker 2: just want skill. People want to show as well. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they want to see knockouts, they want to see, you know,
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  Speaker 2: their next big exciting fighter. I think Abdula Mason does
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  Speaker 2: have the potential to be, you know, a very exciting
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  Speaker 2: fighter that people tune in for. Specifically, he is kind
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  Speaker 2: of early in the night. You know, actually might have
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  Speaker 2: should have mentioned this first because it's in Saudi Arabia.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be like four pm or so, let's
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  Speaker 2: see six pm Eastern, I think, uh is when it's
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  Speaker 2: where the main cart starts. So if you're in the
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  Speaker 2: East coast, you're going to be on the west coast,
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  Speaker 2: are you're going to be looking at like three or
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  Speaker 2: four o'clock something like that. So it's a little a
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  Speaker 2: little earlier than we're used to for boxing. But it's
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  Speaker 2: not you know, mourning ten as first round anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: But but yeah, so Doula Mason is kind of just
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  Speaker 2: getting the party started. Uh So, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully in the future. If he was this fight, if
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  Speaker 2: he looks good, you know, he's gonna be climbing later
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  Speaker 2: and later in the evening. So I'm gonna go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and say, I mean, I'm going I'm also going for
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  Speaker 2: an Abdullah Mason win based on what I saw about
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  Speaker 2: the sem Nos guy. I don't know. He's got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of power, maybe not someone that uh, a type
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  Speaker 2: of fighter that adults up for. My prediction is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be goes the distance unanimus decision of du how's.
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  Speaker 1: That That's fair? That's fair.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here's another one. Here's a big one. Devin Haney
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  Speaker 2: versus Brian Norman Jr. Now, Devin Haney has kind of
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  Speaker 2: his esteem has fallen, you know, over and over and
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  Speaker 2: over and in my eyes personally, but also in the
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  Speaker 2: boxing worlds. Brian Norman Junior, you know from Georgia twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight to O. What's funny is Brian Norman is twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight to no with two no contests and Devin Haney
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  Speaker 2: is thirty two and oh with one no contest. So
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  Speaker 2: this is the with both guys and had no contest.
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  Speaker 1: On the record.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian Norman Junior, power puncher. Uh, he had an
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  Speaker 2: amazing knockout earlier this year being called the knockt of
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  Speaker 2: the air forget against which fighter that was an Asian fighter?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that Devin Haney could take on a
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  Speaker 2: guy with a lot of punching power? That's basically I
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  Speaker 2: see him as kind of like another Ryan Garcia, a
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  Speaker 2: bully in the ring, and Haney doesn't have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of historically not a lot of power behind his punches.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you see Devin Haney going after this?
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  Speaker 1: So this is also so there's the thing about Haney,
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  Speaker 1: like what's his mental app going into this fight? How
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  Speaker 1: prepared is he going into this fight? I haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: a lot about him in a while, so that's a
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  Speaker 1: good thing. I guess there's been no that's been outside.
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  Speaker 1: Hasn't been a lot of shangus. That's good. How from
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  Speaker 1: his pops outside? I think there was a fight at
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  Speaker 1: MSG him and Richard Hitchins got into it or whatever
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  Speaker 1: or a few months back, but nothing major. I hope
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  Speaker 1: Devon's prepared mentally and physically for the fight. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing. Now. Devon's guy that needs to
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  Speaker 1: get his name up. That's the guy that needs a
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  Speaker 1: really good performance. Because the last couple of times in
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  Speaker 1: the ring have not been great. So those are things
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  Speaker 1: that we looked for, saying, hey, man, what you got
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  Speaker 1: because eventually you gotta you gotta put up her shut up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, eventually you gotta put him a good performance,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: like all these skills and all these things, like, hey,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: you know, we gotta see it. And for him, he's
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: kind of been forgotten when it comes to the guys
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: in his grouping, like we don't talk about him getting
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: big fights like that anymore. Why he needs another two performances,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: get back into that conversation. We just don't think of
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: him automatically like that. So he's also a slight underdog
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: in this match, which is very pretty interesting from a
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: guy that a couple of years ago was one of
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the faces of the division, one of the faces of
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: the you know his row, you know his age, range
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: of boxing. Still a young guy, so there's still time.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: But man, uh, this is one of those where everybody's
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: watching kind of have to put up a shut up
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: or else if you don't win this one, it gets
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: very five PM boxing matches with him before the car shows,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: before the car Yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: And I want to get into that, but First, do
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: you have the odds on this, on these two guys?
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: You have the betting odds on these studio he's plus
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: one oh five, which means he's a slight underdog.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Well here's here's what I was gonna throw
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: at you. I based on what I'm seeing on Bright
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: North performance and what Devin Haney has shown, I'm expecting
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: a Haney loss. To be quite honest with you, I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: would bet on a Haney loss. If I was going
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: to bet, I would expect a Haney loss. Honestly, A
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: stop it you might be likely because Brian Norman Jr. He's,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: like I said, kind of a Bryan Garcia type of
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: a bully in the ring, but definitely more of a
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: skilled fighter. So kind of like what I mentioned with
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Sam Noaks earlier. You know a lot of fluri of punches,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: but you know he's got a few more than a
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: few dudes with a really, really good punch that lays
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: him out. So I don't know if there's a stop
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: at your TKO. No matter what, I am predicting a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Devin Haney loss, what does that mean for him after this?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: If I'm correct? You know or are we is he
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: just kind of like fade into obscurity or is here's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the thing. Okay, let me let me rephrase the question.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I was surprised he still got another, you know, fight
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: with the Saudi's after that terrible performance at Times Square
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: whatever that was earlier this year, like July fourth, I
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: think it was. I was surprised that that, you know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: he's still a name for them to put out there.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: What's gonna happen after this? He's still going to get
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: some more shots.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Or he will be on someone's card going forward. But
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: it's one of those things reason fight filler not a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: promoting guy, is one of those where you're filling the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: card up with guys that have fought in the past
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: or guys that you may have heard of in the past,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: but he won't be in the man attraction no more.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Or he's a tune up guy where you fight on
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the way to do your big fight. Neither of those
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: are good things. Both are far far from grace for
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: a guy that used to be able to command seven figures.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: If you lose this fight, I don't think you can
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: keep command seven figures like that anymore. He's not a
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you know, he's not a guy that had a lot
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of cachet that brings off general people like that. So
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: it's not like, Oh, people would pop up and they're
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: gonna go see him no matter what. I don't see that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I don't see that kind of happening. So that with
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that being said, it's kind of in a weird spot.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Is in a very weird spot where I don't know
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: how this works. If he loses, like he really needs
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to win, only because if he wins, he's kind of
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: back in the mix. Right. You can put him in
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: conversations for fight. You can put it in conversations where
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: he's one flight away from a big fight again. But
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: he loses. Man, Hey, we forget about guys very quickly.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: We forget about guy very very quickly in this situation,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and he's on the verge becoming that what Adrian Browner
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: was at the later stage of his career where we
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: just forgot about him. He ranly pop up and random fights.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: That would be the HAINI course where he'd be in.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: That's how bad it would be.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just Haney's is really good at sticking and moving.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: You know. There was an amazing performance he had against
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: kembosas twice actually, where he just kept lighting the jab,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: kept coming out of going back out of range, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: is just frustrating the shit out of him. Great performance,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna take anything away from him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: But Kembosa is also not the most talented fighter, not
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the best counter watch, not the best power puncher in
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the world. So I think I just don't see if
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Devin Haney gets caught with a really really good power
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: punch from by Norman Jr. I it's I think it's uh,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: maybe not lights out, but I think he's gonna end
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: up even if he goes the distance, those punches are
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: gonna look real good. He might get dropped again at
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: least once like he did by Garcia. And yes, I
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: am predicting a Devin Hainey loss on this fight.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I am predicting looked good in the fight.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Show was that composed? Is actually yeah, because that's a few.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Year she's look good in a fight where like, oh, okay,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I see what's going on, I see I see the height,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I see When did that last time happen? When does
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that take place?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: So I would say, yeah, twenty twenty two was the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: tiny combos is the first time and they ran it
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: back I think the same year, so maybe it was like.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Six months later, right, it was like in December.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he went back to Craik Craiky Island.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Again dad had issues getting over there because his dad
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: has some issues.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that was twenty twenty two. And
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: then when he fought Lomachenko, you know, people were in
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: arms that that was a gift decision. He should not
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: have beat Lomachenko. I actually was watching that that fight,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and I did not think that uh Haiti pulled off
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the w honestly, but he was given to it by decision.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I did not think he looked that good. Then of
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: course it was Ryan Garcia, which I believe yes, last year,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: but yeah, no, so I would say unless I'm forgetting something,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: unless there's a Hainey fight that I missed in the
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: last few years, it was twenty twenty two since he
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: looked and again let's give credit. Recordis too he looked
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: amazing in that fight. You know, he just embarrassed Kembosas
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: at home and it was there was It was one
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of those situations we talked about where the hush of
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: the crowd after you kind of see it going downhill,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you know your guy. Everybody was hyped up for their guy,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and then it's just people are just kind of checking
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Twitter and seeing what's up my route, like round nine.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: So yeah, twenty twenty two is what I would say.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Damn, that's going on three plus years now. That's not good,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: especially for a guy that's young. Right, It's not like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: oh he's thirty five year Nah, it's supposed to be
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: his prime. If he's not good now, then it's kind
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: of over. And once you become bad at this age,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you really don't get him any more shots to get
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to the top because you kind of get written off
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and putting a different tier or boxer, and they really
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: can't build a fight around you. You're a part of
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: someone else's fight. You become part of the Oh yeah
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: he's he's undercard on someone else's card. So you come
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: on at five o'clock, you know, five fifteen instead of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: seven fifteen. It's different.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: He's only twenty seven, and you know what, I'll also
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: give him. Let's let's give him some grace. Let's say
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that the Garcia fight was, you know, lopsided because you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: pop for pds whatever. You Let's say like, well, Garcia
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: had an unfair advantage. It wasn't no contest, it was
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: not a loss. Blah blah blah. So if we remove
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that from the equation again, we're still talking about him
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: beating low A Chenko and not looking good. And yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: it's the thing.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: It's also very damaging when you take a win and
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: everybody thinks that you're full of shit, you know, or
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that that the win was bullshit.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Well, also, the eye test, the eye test is more
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: important than anything in boxing. How a boxer looks in
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the ring is bigger than anything because we know boxing,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: we know what we're supposed to look at, was supposed
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: to look like, was not. So when it doesn't look right,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: hey man, what's going on? Something right, He's not good?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Those are things that's happened. That's what's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: taking place. Not a good situation at all, not not
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It has not been good or for Devahani. There hasn't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: been a whole lot of good coming at as Camp lately.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: That's the issue. We have not had a lot of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: success stories from him, and so until that changes, we're
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: kind of in a weird situation.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just looked it up so uh Hayne
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: versus Lomachenko was twenty three and him against Ryan was
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the last year doing like April of twenty four, sorry
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: up springing twenty four. So and then we had a
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: course the Times Square fight that was just uh And
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I might be repeating myself that that was a bunch
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: of episodes ago many months ago, and my brain as
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: much because I'm old, but I have no I'm the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: kind of guy who always gives a lot of leeweight
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to fighters because they're you say, you know, they look boring,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: they're not exciting.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I I know it takes a lot of technical skill,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of I mean just getting up
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: in the ring. It takes a lot of guts. And
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: you know, I never want to hear oh it's you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: this person should move their feet more, move their head
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: from just some fat guy on the couch with some
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: you know, cheeto dust on his Twitter fingers. Like you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: at the very least, you know been in the gym.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: You know, you work out, you're active. I've taken boxing classes,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I've been sparring. Not to say I know anything about it,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: but like I know that it takes a lot and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of work. With all that said, that box
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: that fight was boring the ship. It sucked there was
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: he wasn't throwing punches. He wasn't you know, he wasn't
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: even moving his feet or i'm sorry, defending the punches
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: very well, just keeping.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: His interested look like he didn't really want to be there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And for boxers, that's a very weird place to be at.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So if you don't want to be there event, it's
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: not going to happen.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I don't even remember who who he
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: fought that day, but honestly it doesn't even matter. Yeah,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I think that was the biggest problem. He's just he's
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: he walked in there snoozy, and that's the worst you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: any fighter who you know, if if they take like
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a major l in the ring, I'll always say like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: they tried their best. They wouldn't they didn't look fat
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and hungover in the ring or anything like that. He
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: looks he looks snoozy. So I don't know. I honestly,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: now I'm just so so curious to see what he's
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: hey and he's gonna look like in this fight, because
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: there was, you know, speculation by the announcements like maybe
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: he was a little bit gun shy after Garcia loas
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you know, taking a big hit, getting getting put down,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Now you know, I'm sure he knows the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the feedback, you know, the audience feedback of his performance.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: So is he gonna step it up? Is he gonna
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: look good?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: It's more of a morbid curiosity for me that fight
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: than really like be excited about Haiti being in the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: ring again. But yeah, Brian Norman Junior, and thank you
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: very much to our producer, to Barry Davis. He said,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Brian Norman Junior knocked out Jin Sasaki, an Asian boxer
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: who was put to sleep in a spectacular fashion. So
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I official prediction Brian Norman win. I'm not gonna go
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: so far as to say like my knockout him being
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: put down or go in the distance, but I definitely
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: expect Bright Norman to win.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: All Right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: The main event for Saturday is going to be our boy,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: David Benavidez from Phoenix is back to fight another British boxer,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Anthony Yard, another big power puncher, kind of similar styles,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: both big dudes, both high volume punchers, fast punchers, big power,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: they land big power shots. So do you have the
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: odds on on those days?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Not worth talking about? It's not he's mine twelve hundred,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: meaning you gotta put up twelve hundred to one hundred
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: back is not worth today?
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's fair. I do think I don't think
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be easy easy work. You know, Anthony Yard,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: he's a he's a big guy, he's uh twenty seven
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and three. Uh. I think David Benavidez gets it's the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: whole thing about big guy versus little guy thing. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: think he gets lumped in with a little guy. He's tall,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: but he's leaning. But I think David Benavidez is naturally
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: a big dude, you know, who cuts weight. I've said
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Canelo is a little dude who's beefed up, you know. Uh.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And I think that David Benavidez is. I think he
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: is a good choice for this weight classes. I believe
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: it's light heavyweight. So again he's kind of leaning toward
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: his big eyed roots. I think he's got the skill,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: he's got the tools, he's got the talent. I think
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: this one won't be as easy able to walk through
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: for him, as long as his defense is right, So
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: deve Benavidez has to have great defense and he has
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: to have great power punches. Now, Anthony Yard, I keep
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I keep calling him out of there because I'm Mexican.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: That's just how I read things like that. But it's
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: a it's actually pronounced Anthony Yard. His one of his
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: big one of his more prominent losses was to Archer
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: better be Of and it was just that arch fantastic fighter,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: big dude and caught him in between a punch and
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: just I think Yard never recovered from that. So it
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: was that's a really good fight. If you can find
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: those highlights, it's it's really cool just seeing Archer better
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: bee Of, you know, he's just just seeing him in
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the ring is amazing anytime, because that man is is
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: a is a real deal. De Benavedas has to do
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: the same thing. He has to make sure he catches
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Anthony Yard in between those punches. I think Benavidez can
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: take a lot of abuse. Anthony Yard has been catching
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: dudes with big with big hits that just wobble him.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Just kind of sees blood in the water that he
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: takes advantage. I think Benavidez can isn't gonna be rocked
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: as easily. So I want to see where you think
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that our boy David Benavitez is now for this fight.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And then just general in context in the world of boxing,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: is you know, one of the rising stars and I
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: think the future face of Mexican boxing.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also here's the thing that you gotta understand too,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: when it comes to Bernavidez, he's another guy where we're
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: looking for his next fight. We're looking to see who
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: because he's a He's a guy where not necessarily a
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: mega fight, but it's a fight where it's like, oh,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: this is a thing, like this is a the casual
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: sporting fan. If you match him up correctly, we'll be
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: able to tune in and be like, oh this guy, Okay,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. So we're not necessarily vocal on this one.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: He's gonna win on Saturday. What's gonnappen in twenty six
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and beyond? Is the thing with him. That's where we're at.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: That's where we're kind of focused on going forward is
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: with him. So that's where we're all interested in because
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: hey man, so anything else boxing is a step you're
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: always you're only making the next fight as you're fighting
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: line even though the current final hands important, the next bag,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the next event, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. That's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: how the sports cells itself. So that's kind of where
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: we're at with him. Not necessarily concerned about Saturday, but
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: he's one of the few guys where he's fighting someone,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it can literally be an event and that's huge.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously this is me speaking anecdotally, and yes,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I live in Tucson. Betavide is from Phoenix, so you know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I see people come out for him. You know that
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: he is an exciting fighter that people he has a
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: lot of fans.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Sure, maybe it's because he has a lot of fans
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: here because this is where he's from, But I don't know.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: It seems to be based on what I've seen, like
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: he's got a lot of he's got a lot of
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: hype and a lot of people behind him, and he's
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: been just the one of the most avoided fighters and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: that higher weight class range in recent history. I think
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: that he definitely he made a good choice stepping up
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and sticking around the you know, the light heavyweight weight class.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: The question is he's always one of the big names
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: better be versus Beovil. Now here's an interesting one. Better
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: be If was supposed to be on this card. I
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: don't know if you remember us talking about it. You know,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: earlier in the year he dropped out for reasons unknown,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: whatever doesn't matter. So that was kind of there was
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: already some grumblings of like, well, these two guys are
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: fighting on the card. Depending on how they look, they
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: might match up together. But in this I mean to
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: we worry about Better Be of just kind of being
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: like on his way out, you know, he took a
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: very prominent l against people. But also, you know, not
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the man's legacy is secure. You know, that man went
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: out literally went out swinging, and he looked great in
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: that fight. He wasn't embarrassed, He wasn't you know, snoozing
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: or anything. Just you know, happened to take the l.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But he's also agatting, you know, getting up there in age.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's I think he's over. Is
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: he over forty now? But here he is forty, he's forty,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, is that are we going to
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: see the end of the Better be Of era? And
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: you know there's a lot of like a lot of
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the older kind of Eastern European boxers are kind of
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: on their way out. Alexander Rusk, biggest win of his career,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: hasn't really been talking about him coming back. Almachenko just
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: officially retired. Of course talked about coming back, but that's
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: neither here nor there. The point is that, you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: there's that era of these Eastern European guys that seems
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to be kind of in decline, not because of their skills,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: because you know they're they're getting up there in age
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: and they're but ready hanging up. So I don't know
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: where do we think that better? Mean this is going
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: to land? Do you think do we think that he
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: has a people a chance at people next year?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: That's to be the thing we don't know right Like
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: it's there's no obvious choice, there's no obvious matches, like, oh,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: this is a no brainer. It's really weird because as
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of right now, I would be inconclusive with the answer.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I would say, hey, we need to wait for this
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: fight to end and see what else is out there,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: But right now there's really nothing that's like a no
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Brainer's get this matter mached tomorrow one Saturday finishes. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: don't see that right now.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: But but why not, because again, this the guy bene
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Vitez went up to that weight class. Bevil is the
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: guy to be. You know, he's he's a star. He
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: looked great and in both fights against better b I'm
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: sure he lost the first one, took the w on
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the second one, but he still looked great. And you
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: know he's he's not sure. He's taken some time off
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to recover from like a hand injury or something like that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Doesn't whatever it is, I don't remember, but he's not
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: going to be back till twenty six. But like bena
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Vitez has just been kind of doing his thing, fighting
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: whoever he needs to fight is get his name out
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: there and show that he's proven. Like I don't see
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: any other big name other than better be If at
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: that weight class. Right again, he's on his way out.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: He's not the way out. There's no there's one I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: remember once, Terrence Crawford, one that was trying to make
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that fight. But as Terns Coffor came out immediately. Nope,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: we're not doing that. Hell no, no, probably no, we're not.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Oh no, they want to Crawford move like one seventy
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: remember he moved up for this one. Yes, they want
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to move again. He was like, no, bro, I'm not
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. So fascines thing. I don't. That's
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's a weird thing. That's a good point. You
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: mentioned a lot of the euro guys have been taking
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: their money and bouncing. Uh. They're not fighting into their forties,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: not running it back. And that's very interesting because the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: money is there, there's always money there for a fight,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: but a lot of guys just enjoying their you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: joining their money and their fame and living happily ever after.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: So it's a very good question that we don't have
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: an answer to right now. We may not get asked
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you until early to mid next year, right I think
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: this year too retire.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: So it was but yeah, sure, sure, sure, But I'm
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: just saying like it's it's on that wave of I mean,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and also it kind of I don't know anywhere near
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: enough to speak on this, but you know, the wave
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: of Eastern European fighters stars and that was was a thing.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: You know, it was a thing that peaked, seems to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: be on the way out just naturally, and you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: what's going to be the next big thing for for boxing.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: The next trend in boxing, I don't know, But then
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the question always comes back to the same thing I feel.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're goddamn broken records. Is it's more
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: difficult for a start to emerge because there's not enough
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: fights happening and they're harder to find now, you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: like I was, I spoke well of watching topreck on
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: t B. I'll do it again, but it's not the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: same as turning on ESPN on a Saturday night. It's
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: just not well.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: The money behind the productions are way different, right. ESPN
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: has a big budget, Yes, a lot of production budget,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of resources into a lot of effort behind it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Like people think the lights come on Saturday night. Nah, bro,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: they it starts Tuesday. Man. They're here, they get set up,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: they interview, all the work, all the pre work, pre
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: set up, everything, man and fast. Thing that's noticed what
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to me, HBO was the best HBO in their day.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: They were flows with their production, they're on camera people,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: their posts, pre and post stuff, the build up. They
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: were the example. And it takes a lot of money
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to do that, and you got to have one to
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: with set money and not every media company understands that,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to boxing. So that's why it's
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: been such a drop off because HBO and Showtime did
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: a hell of a job with those things. ESPN was
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: cool because they're ESPN, they do sports, They're fine. But
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: other than that, it's been rough. Outside the the PBC
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: stuff that was on manastream television for a minute, outside
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: of that, it's been rough.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Right. I feel like what I would like is, and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't believe it's everye happens like a
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: fantasy I'll say, is that HBO brings it back with
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: less of a budget. But it's like the nostalgia factor.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many things are like, you know, are
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: we seeing coming back from our childhood and all these
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: TV shows getting rebooted, you know, and bringing back all
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: these things, And I feel like it would be a
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: big thing. It wouldn't be like it used to be.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't be the big pick for you stars. But like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's an opportunity to say, HBO is
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: getting back in the boxing game. We're you know, we
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: were the ones to beat back in the day. They
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: still have a very good reputation for you know, quality shows.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: It's not like their esteem has fallen or anything. Sure,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't be putting you know, the production they were.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: But just if if HBOS was like, yeah, we're gonna
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: have fights all summer every Saturday night, that I think
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: people will lose their shit, especially old heads like us.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: So it wouldn't be HBO because they're out of sports
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: all together. But to be Amazon on Netflix, those are
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: or Apple, it have to be one of those because
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: those who have the money. So when you have money,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you could put together a really good production show. HBO
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: is out of sports, so I don't think they would
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: invest money going back into sports. But Netflix, Amazon and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Apple all do sports in some way, shape or form.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I think that'd be our best bet.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Sure, and that's what's most likely. I'm just saying, like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: you know, again the fantasy in my head of them saying,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you know, for a nostalgist purposes, we're not getting into
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: sports period, because I mean, and again, I've only ever
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: cared about boxing, because was there HBO ever known for
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: any other sport? Like did they ever get on anything?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Because I always remember.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: A lot of documentaries and all that kind of stuff.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So HBOT sports department, I believe is all gone now
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and boxing was a big part of that. I would
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: love for boxing about the HBO. Trust me, as someone
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: who pays for HBO, I would love for boxing back.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It's just unfortunately, once I got out the business ten
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: plus years ago, like it is what it is.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean I think, uh,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and that's their I mean it's fair for a network
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to say, like that's everybody else's thing. And yeah, everybody
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: has an Amazon account at least, so you know, everybody
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: every smart TV comes with the Amazon app. So if
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: it just became a place to find a lot of
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of fights, then I think it's all going
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: to be pretty easy for everybody to find.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Do you have something No, I mean I really am
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: With'm with you. I just feel that you gotta make it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: You have to adapt and like you mentioned, everyone has Amazon.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Most people have Apple phone, Apple I phones or have
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: access to it. So make it easier for the people
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: who want to watch to watch it. Two be is
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: a thing where people who are six years old don't
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: know what two he is well, and it's being honest
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: with people who are of that age, they're not that
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: familiar with that. So go luck with that one.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: That is fair, yes, but also to be is sort
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: of the prime the prime place to get the grand
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: pis in there because they have a lot of the
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: old nostalgia shows.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever speed that they do.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: But you want to be very you want to make
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: it as usually friendly as possible. That's just sight. You
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: want to make sure you're able to directs my very easily.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, man, people want
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: to watch it. They're gonna watch it, and if two
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: is the thing, then people will get to it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's the thing that comes with with
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: every TV. It's like you have a remote and then
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: you have two b or and like I said, the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: roke also the rop top break is also something called visio.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what the hell video is, but
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: that was on the is it?
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, videos are TV. Yeah, they do electronics.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe they have a video app that it's on.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But I saw it on Instagram when it said a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: watch on uh two Yuroku and video, So yeah, it's wild.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know the obviously this event on Saturday
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: that we're we're talking about, the ring Foard they call it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: That's pay per view event, so you know, financed by
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the Saudi's and promote a Turkey la Hik who, by
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the way, said the era of pay per view was
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: dead and now he's charging sixty bucks with the ship
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: just saying.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: You know, of course, are we surprised like going out.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, we're not surprised, But I feel like it
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: needs to be said. It needs to be you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: put out there. But and also you know, also needs
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to be said that the studies are involved because they're
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: trying to white wash their human rights abuses. Look at
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Jamal Hashogi when you get a chance anyway. But yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: this fight is in Saudi Arabia. So Abdullah Mason goes
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: on at like six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific. Benavidez
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: ringwalks her about nine pm Eastern six pm Specific Pacific.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Jesus Man, I gotta stop drink when I wake up
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: in the morning. So yeah, I'm really excited about it.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be checking it out and hopefully I haven't
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: been nine of good fights. Oh and sorry, I forgot
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: to mention my prediction for Benavide is definitely a win.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say I'll go go all
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: in and say he gets the knockout. I'm gonna say
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: you smart enough fighter that he catches I think heard
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and gets another knockout. And so that's I'm putting it
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: out there into the ethan.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: So now that we reviewed that, it's time for a
• 41:57
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• 42:00
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• 42:03
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• 42:05
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• 42:08
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• 42:11
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• 42:14
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• 42:16
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• 42:18
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• 42:23
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• 42:24
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• 42:26
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• 42:31
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• 42:33
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• 42:36
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• 42:39
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• 42:41
  Speaker 3: conversations that have almost nothing to do with the movie,
• 42:43
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• 42:45
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• 42:47
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• 42:50
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• 42:51
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• 43:19
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• 43:21
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• 43:23
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• 43:26
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• 43:29
  Speaker 2: because we are washed in turning thirty as well. Suit. So,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: all right, the movie we're talking about today's a movie
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: that is still maybe still in theaters, probably not for
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: long by the time you hear this. It is called Christy,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: directed by David Michaude or michad. I'm I'm really sure
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: how to pronounced that, starring Sidney Sweeney, Ben Foster, Merritt Weaver,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: and Katie O'Brien. So this is the story of Christy Martin,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the person who legitimized women's boxing. Started boxing in the
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: late eighties, came to fame, and she signed with dun
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: King in nineteen eighty three. Fought on the undercard on
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Travis Fights, Tyson Fights, lots of others. Was a closeted
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: lesbian most of her life, married her trainer James Martin,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: and was a victim of horrible domestic abuse. It's a
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: wild story. Jameson before we get into the movie, can
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: you tell everybody what you remember about the real Christy
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Martin in the boxing world?
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Right? It's funny you mentioned that last thing. I remember.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: She was always on undercards with big fights, and she
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: was like the first women's box that you repeatedly saw
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: whenever there was a big fight, you saw on undercard
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: or maybe even sometimes even before the right before the
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: big fight, and you'd see her she's really putting in
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: work and like damn, she'd really go. So that was
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the thing that ran back my childhood is being able
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: to watch her fight literally twice a year on every
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Don King or this big fight in general, she'd be
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: getting on her. It's only a handful of women's boxing
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: in that era that we really remember, and she's probably
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the biggest one off top sure.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And what was the sort of pub perception of her.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously she's a talented boxer and she commended
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: respecting the ring, But where fans like a, get this
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: brought out of here? What is she doing there?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: No, because it was it wasn't marketed like that. That's
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the thing. It wasn't. It was marketed in its own way.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like, it wasn't how to remember, it wasn't
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: its own car. It was my own car. I think
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: you would have got a lot of that. But it
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: was just a part of the vision of the big cards.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Whatever the big card was. That's what that was. It
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't a part of anything else. So I think that's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: kind of where we're at with that. Again, she was
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the first big one that we saw. Of course, there
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: was other ones that came along and you know, sur
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: passed her, but she was like the first one. We're like, oh,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: she's fighting again, Oh this is her again. Oh I
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: remember her, I remember her. And then next thing you know,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: she's fighting for like eight ten years wow, okay, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you started expecting her on the other car. But I
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: remember her very well, very very well. And it was,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: like I said, it was part of the It was
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: part of the whole program. It was part of the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: whole card. It was a big part of you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: whatever fight was going on, She was part of the evening.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: It was really cool and you get to know her.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And then she also opens the lane up for others
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to come behind her, you know, while her we don't
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: have Leila Ali like that. You know, we don't have
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the ones that are fighting today. So those are things
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that you look back yet, like Don King was very
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: smart not just putting on a random Tuesday and some
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: random place, but having it on a card when you
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: have seventeen thousand people in the building and millions plus
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: watching on TV. Very very brilliant marketing by Don King
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and the people that beat.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get any sense of, you know, anything
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: about a person life coming out you know or you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: kind of seeping into the into the public consciousness or
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: result of just private like the movie showed.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of pride. I think a lot
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of pride. But here's the thing, too. Back then,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: we didn't care about people's sexualities like that. We kind
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of it was kind of an known thing that if
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: a woman athlete, ifcial a boxer, we kind of knew
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: what it was like. People didn't care, like we care
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: about the boxing, not necessarily what you did off the corn,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: out the ring or anything like that. It was just
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: oh she's fighting again, Oh she's nice. Oh yeah, fight's over.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: That's it. It wasn't nothing else.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and to be fair, I feel like if it
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't explicitly stated, but you know, there's a lot of
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: and maybe it's a difference between like actors. You know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: actors came out or and ruined their career. So I
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: would say that people did it care because that's I
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: mean still to this state. I mean, people are still
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: in the closet two days.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: So I think women athletes is different. Okay, we don't
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: care about women athletes being gay like that.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. Yeah, I mean it really shows a
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: lot that the biggest people in the movie, the biggest
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: people who were really really against it are her family,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: like her mother, like she's the one who absolutely was, like,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: you know, completely against any kind of homosexuality. But yeah,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, how did you think this movie worked or
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: not as a as a Christie Martin story Christy Salter's
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: maiden name.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: It was cool, It was cool. It's interesting, like the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: times right, and bring up the times, the family being
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: staunching against it and like being so like being alive
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: back then and kind of knowing how things go is
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: very fascinating how things have changed over thirty years because
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: in today's day, there's so much society pressure of letting
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: people be who they are, whether they gaze straight by whatever.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: You let them be what they are, you don't judge.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: That's how it is. Back then, it wasn't like that.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: You got an old school mentality and that created a
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: lot of resentment in general. But yeah, it's it's very
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: fascinating how things have changed and whatnot. With that being said, unfortunately,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: you know it fueled her, you know, and that's as
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: crazy as sounds. That's how a lot of athletes get
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: fueled as that, having resentment from the people who love
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: them or that they love. And here we are.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the movie, I think I think
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: it is a good movie. I think it's it's a
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: good portrayal of her story. I think the movie just
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: as a little as a little balance between the boxing
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: stuff and the personal stuff. This is very much, most
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: of the time a boxing movie, you know. So we've
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: talked about a lot of other movies that are about
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: boxers about their lives and the drama, et cetera, and
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: the sport in itself is not front and center. This
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: is not the case here. Like this is very much
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the sport is front and center for most of the movie,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and then it goes completely away from that into her
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: personal life, which which is totally fine. I just felt
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: like we're watching two different things, you know, watching a
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: couple of different movies. Performances were good. You know, Sidney
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Sweeney is not the most the most acclaimed dramatic actressows
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: she's not the most acclaim dramatic actress. I think she
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: did a good job here for her I think she
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: did a probably probably the best performance. But yeah, I mean,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: let's be like I I watched some romantic that she
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: was in last year. There was a big hit with
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: her and Glen Powell, who I really like. Man, the
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: movie was terrible and she was terrible. She was awful
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: with that movie. But also she has bird in controversy. Now,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: you know, she made an American eagle genad that was
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: kind of eugenics, e like implied eugenics, and in this
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: political climate, you know, she was actually asked about it
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: in a GQU interview, like what's up with this? And
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: she was like, I like wearing jeans. I wear jeans
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: and a T shirt all the time. I'm like the
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: most like either completely toned off or just went over
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: her head response. So I say that to say this,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: this movie was a historic flop, like it is. It
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: is in the record book. So it's a fifteen million
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: dollar budget, had a one point three million dollar opening weekend,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: which is at the bottom ten opening for wide releases ever.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Wide releases. Yeah yeah, so any wide releast considered anything
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: over two thousand screens. Okay, so this movie is in
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: the bottom ten of all of those movies ever released
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: in over two thousand streets. So I don't know if
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: maybe city swingeys, you know, celebrity is a little tainted
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: right there. She also had a couple of other flops
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: this year, I think before any of that other stuff
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: was came out, So I don't know, I mean, could
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: it be her, could it be that just movies about
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: female fighter asault sell as well.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: As about market whatever you put out. You cannot not
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: marketing a sport movie, a boxing movie. This has to
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: have commercials, on podcasts, on TV shows. You got to mark.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: If you're putting fifty million dollars into something, you spend
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: another million to market. If you're not gonna do that,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: then you deserve whatever happens to you.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: And I hadn't heard about this movie until, like I
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: just I go to the movies all the time. So
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I saw it pop up on my my movie theater
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: app and I was like, what the hell is? What
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the hell is it called Christy because I'll just click
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: on anything to see what it is. And a lot
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: of the times I don't know if it's it was
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: an AMC thing, but they have a lot of Jesus movies.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: So they just have like, you know, a movie called
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: like Shining Light, and I'm like, okay, it's like, oh,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: shining Light of Jesus coming from you know, this family
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: that that found their faith blah blah blah, which is weird.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: So I'm always like, all right, let me let me
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: see if this is like a Jesus movie, Like, is
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: it Christy? Is that what it's supposed to be? But
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: wow around But anyway, no, so I so actually I
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: never saw a trailer. I didn't know anything about it
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: other than you know, Sidney Sweeney and boxing movie. So
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it's actually Christy Burton, like the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Real Fighter blah blah blah. So of course it's a
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: natural fit for the show. But another thing, I was
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the only person in that movie theater, and that's green
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: that I was. I was by myself. I was by
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: my lonesome.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: So it was, you know, just just kind of indicative
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: of how this movie just absolutely hit, just crashed and burned.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I'll say this, I don't think the movie, the movie
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: itself overall, you know, regardless of Sweeney's of Allman and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: her controversy whatever, I don't think it deserved that. I
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: think Christy Martin's story definitely did not deserve that. I
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: think Christy Martin story deserves to be seen, heard, learned about,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: and it's just it's just an incredible story gets wilder
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: and wilder the more you learn about it. But also,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: now we've had two years in a row Jamison with
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Theatrical released films about female boxers the flock. So if
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: you remember last Christmas, yep, we watched The Fire Inside
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: the Clarissa Shields movie that would decidely better eight million
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: dollars on a twelve million dollar budget. This one was
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: fifteen million. Was I don't know how it's gonna by
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: the time we leave theaters, it might be like less
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: than five. But still, I mean people are coming out
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: for it, and it's a bummer.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I mean people not paying to watch no movie. People
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: have fire six other apps. It's not happening.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: That is this movie Attendance has gone down, but you
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: know there are it's picked back up from where for
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: where it was like, it's a sad again. The lowest
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: was like twenty twenty, so you can't really compare, you know.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: You know, yes, we're coming back from that, you know,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the absolute crater, but you know, the movie business bouncing back.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: This is my area of expertise because I love the
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: movie theaters. I love going to the movie like I
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: would always rather choose to go in than just watch
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: something at home.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: If I have the opportunity.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: So this is my bag. By the way, the speaking
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: of Jesus stuff Chicago pope whose name might forget that
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: man actually gave a speech on the importance of movies
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: in cinema. So I was like, man, am I gonna
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: go back to church? It was gonna eat church for
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: the first time since I was a baby, because you know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I see why they call them infallible. But but yeah, movie,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: movies cinema are very important to me.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think this film kind of
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: stands on in terms of a boxing film? End of
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: the story? Like, do you think more people.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Said it was like it was like you said, it
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: was a it was a box for all the movies
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: we just watched. It was more boxing than the film,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and that makes sense. So it was I but it's
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: that I'm gonna watch again. Well, I'll probably forget it
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving. Be honest with you why. It's not like
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I'm I wouldn't spend money at the theater for it.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: So that's what we did. You know, cool? But nah,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: this ain't really and it was all right, but it
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: was like it's like a homeworkssignment. It wasn't like, oh,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to watch this movies like, ah, all right,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and then you forget about it a couple of days later.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: That's all.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, I give it rate a little bit higher than
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: a homework assignment. You know, it's still I think it's
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: a pretty good depiction of boxing. You know, obviously trained
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: she she did the boxing scenes herself. You know, there
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: was in a stunt double. You can see that she
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: put in work, and I think I think those scenes
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: mostly look good. Not as good as in other films,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: but I don't And it's my two favorite things in
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: the world one well two out of three movies. Boxing
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: and drinking are my favorite things in the world. So
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: h you know, there's worse ways to for me to
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: spent you know, a lonely weekday night in the theater
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: by myself. But yeah, I mean not the greatest. What
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: I think I will kind of say is that I
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: hope more people at least do some research into Christy
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Martin's story, at the very least. You know. Actually, I
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: remember that there was a documentary about her on Netflix
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: called Deal with the Devil, So I have not seen it.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I will watch it. And if you absolutely don't want
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: to support sees Sydney sweetly cool man, you know, I'm
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: not going to argue the point. But I think that
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: not just an athlete, but as a as a historic figure,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: as somebody that has an amazing story. The shit that
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: was she went through, I think Christy Martin deserves, uh
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you know, there are respect, not just as boxing fans,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: but like as a figure in our society. And I
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: just hope people learn.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: More about her. That's fair.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And oh and I cannot finish this off without
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: talking about Ben Foster, who plays her husband, James Martin
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: excell in this movie. Ben Foster is like it's like
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Giovanni Ribisi on a budget. Like he's a we have
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Giovanni Ribeci at home actor for a long time, but
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: it's very talented. It's just an actor has taken a
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: few risks here and there, like he used to be
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: kind of a young pretty boy that went away from
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: like the typical pretty boy actor route. So but he's
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: he is amazing in this movie and he plays the
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: scumbag has been so well. It's one of those like
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Jeoff Free and Game of Thrones, like you know that
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: kid's a good actor because you just want to strangle him, right,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: So definitely shout out to Ben and every everybody in
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: this movie.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Was great.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney was her best performance of somebody that's not
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: a great dramatic actress. So well, you know, we kind
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: of greater on a curve. Katie O'Brien, who's awesome was
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: is and this is Lisa Halloween. She is somebody that
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I think deserves a lot more starring roles. Check out
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: the movie Love Life's Bleeding from a twenty four amazing
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Katy O'Brien performance. I think she would have been a
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: better Christy Martin honestly than Sydney Sweety, to be honest
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: with you. But yeah, final thoughts on this. We've always
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: rate movies out of four gloves on this show. What
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: would you give the movie Christy.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Two point seven? It wasn't bad movie. It wasn't like
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: you thing, It wasn't that about, oh you gotta go
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: see this. But it was cool for what it was
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: why it told the story well, and it was just
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: strictly an assignment type of film. It wasn't like, oh,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: this is dope, I'll rewatch when it comes on regular TV.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: But if for what it was, it was it was
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: really solid.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I just figured out this is what
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: it is. This is the biggest issue. This is movie
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: has awesome your bait written all over it. This has
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: failed Oscar bait.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: For something, and they missed completely.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: You're correct, Yes, there's there's very clearly it's one thing
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: to be like Oscar Bay and it's a good movie.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: It just didn't make it. This is failed Oscar bait
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: and you could tell Sweeney was trying hard to try,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: real hard. So uh but like I said, movie theater experience,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I still love watching you boxing stories and and at
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: the very least Christy story was was really interesting. So
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go three three gloves on my Yeah. So yeah,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: nothing nothing amazing, nothing. But also I wasn't like I
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: was in there, just kind of annoyed, like when the
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: hell is.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Going to be over or anything like that.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: So you know, but yeah, I'm definitely gonna check out
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: the documentary. It's actually called Untold Colon Deal with the Devil,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: So hopefully that's that's better. And yeah, I would recommend
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: everybody to very least read up on Christy Martin. It's
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: a crazy story. So all right, so Jamison, where can
• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: On Twitter? At that the Jamison as best Plat's find me.
• 1:00:09
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