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Gene Hackman Filmography - Into the West · CinemaHounds - A Lorehounds Podcast

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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to the Lower Hounds.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm David, one of the main hosts of the Lower Hounds.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And this is a new show for us on our podcast feed called Into the West.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And with me today for this podcast and this new venture are two of our longtime active community members, Lisa.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hi, everyone.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You have a background in stage and are kind of a film buff, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: you've been on a number of different podcasts with with us as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Alicia and I I think are going to be doing quite a few more together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We really enjoyed doing one together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it just so happens that your brother, Brian,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Brian 863 on the Discord and your Red Zippy, of course.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Brian, you are a community member extraordinaire, you are a moderator on our Discord, as well as our editor and chief of our community blog, which has an open standard and just all around general helpful guy in the community.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So thanks for being here today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Glad to be here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You've been on a few podcasts as well
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[SPEAKER_03]: on the history guy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, you're the history guy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And speaking of history, the premise or the setup for this new show called into the West is to reflect and commemorate.
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[SPEAKER_05]: on and around different filmmakers and actors who have passed into the West.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We are hitting a inflection point in generations where a lot of the folks from the Golden Age of movies and TV to some degree are shuffling off this moral coil.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And for a while, so if you're new to the lower hands or if you're not a subscriber
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[SPEAKER_05]: podcast called 11Zs and it's our monthly movie club or John Alicia or myself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We rotate our months.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We pick a theme for movies.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We come up with a list of movies.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We pick them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Subscribers vote on them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Then we watch that picked movie and discuss it on a podcast.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well,
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[SPEAKER_05]: people kept dying.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so we're like, oh, we should do a, we got to do a retrospective on on David Lynch, sure on Robert Redford or, you know, uh, thanking.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then John commented that the 11's these podcasts was kind of turning into a funeral dirt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's real death.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, you can't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then that podcast is really kind of just a fun subscriber space where John and Alicia and I get to kind of let loose with our film choices a little bit and it's kind of more personality driven.
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[SPEAKER_05]: where this was just, oh man, these, you know, these things.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And both Brian and Lisa, you guys have helped do some filmography reviews that we did, looking at different film histories for a couple of folks.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it was just kind of a fun, flookie thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, who is it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Was it readford?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was readford.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kickdown, readford, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And his filmography was so long.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, I can't pick 11 movies out of this on my own.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that was kind of fun.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we did that for Diane Keaton.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then it just kind of started to become a thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we're chatting on the discord.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And people were like, well, what's, is this podcast now?
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[SPEAKER_05]: What do we call it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or what are you doing so and so?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Tara just died.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're like, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it just sort of became a thing, just how, and it's almost exactly how, it's not just similar to how John and I first got started podcasting when we were over in the bald, moved community.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we're like, hey, you want to do something around Tolken?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, this is the name and this is our brand identity and we got it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it was just like within a moment, it was just created and it just works.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so that's something else.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know that something is in the space.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So this is into the West.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you can, of course, send us feedback.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We have a special email for that called into the West at TheLoreHounds.com.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We have a channel set up for the show on our discord.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you can go there and you can post rememorances or, you know, if the news breaks about something or some interesting articles, what have you, it's a great place or, you know, and talk to us that way if you have comments for us and you want to offer suggestions or ideas, you can post them there or feedback for the episode, we'll have that there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, we're an independent podcast and so we do subscribe, uh, uh, subsist on both advertising and subscriber, um, uh, revenue.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So if you feel like you want to support the lower-hounds community and, uh, to, uh, to, uh,
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[SPEAKER_05]: help us keep the lights on and to share the wells amongst all the different creators at our in our community.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We have a ton of affiliates, we sponsor a bunch of other podcasts as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And in the show notes, there's a link for our link tree that has links for all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, very easy way to find everything,
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[SPEAKER_05]: That is sort of the setup for the show, Brian, I see you had a note in the outline here that you were going to explain a little bit more of that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I apologize.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I over ran you as the, I know, just because it's good doing my hosting duties.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, so we're starting this one off with Gene Hackman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm curious, like, what came up?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why did we want to come back to Gene Hackman?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And what was it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Because this is kind of really your guys' podcast.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm here with you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, but creatively, it's going to be driven by you guys.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And so Gene Hackman came back because reasons.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And yet somehow, Gene Hackman returned.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's an opportunity reference.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it makes our own.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so Lisa, like, but or do you want to talk a little bit now and then we'll do the biography, but Lisa, what what's what's a little bit about Jean Hackman that compelled you to want to talk about him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think one of the things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the reasons I love being Laura Hound is because of the community and being able to really talk and discuss and go down rabbit holes of filmmakers and actors as we said and it's especially poignant for my brother and I because
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Brian and I actually do this when I come down or visit, I mean, we literally have our own little thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we may rewatch movies together, you know, or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I had no idea about this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So this podcast is like, perfect.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Because this is great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This helps us a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: actually structures yeah yeah we'll go downstairs where's rabbit holes and oh my fun anyway but so woof so yeah so this is me and Brian in our natural state and again just because it it is a communal thing yeah worth real that we're able to kind of make a podcast out of it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what about Gene Hackman?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, for me personally, because of the rumors and confusion and controversy surrounding his death, overshadowed a very plain and simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a great legend has died.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it was really awkward, you know, for a month, six weeks, maybe, and it just became TMZ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, I feel I haven't really done a proper perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I know we're going to have sort of some more moments of reflection later on, but I'm just kind of want to get at the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
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[SPEAKER_05]: So Brian, over the same question to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's, you know, especially for the two of us, Gene Hackman was an important actor in our movie journey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And
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[SPEAKER_03]: He, you know, I think it's funny because I think, you know, when you think of like Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt, you know, you think, I think when I think of those two, for example, I think of them as a person first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they were married.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they got divorced.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they look so handsome, you know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I think, oh, there's the movies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I think of Gene Hackman,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think of the characters first and then the person, but as Lisa says, you know, because of his death, which will cover in a moment, he just didn't get that I think honor that he really should deserve.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm glad you guys did it a bit earlier, but we're going to try a different way tonight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that was a subscriber only thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think, yeah, both of you as you're commenting about the fact that
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[SPEAKER_05]: We all, the media got more wrapped up in the manner of death and not the fact that he, a great actor has left us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Since this is a public facing podcast going out, then this is actually an opportunity for us to honor as legacy in his memory.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think, yeah, as a, as a, even though we've done it before, returning to, we're kind of doing it freshly from this angle and it's an aspect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting timestamp, too, because a lot of the chatter, you know, the Oscar Awards, we're just over the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was quite a bit of chatter over why Gene Hackman wasn't in the in Memoriam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you lose track of time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was he wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He died in February of last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was in the in Memoriam for March.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, sure fact that we were reacting to where she'd had men right means that we still like have it process missing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a little reason why kind of kind of helps us there, I think, and orienting and so I know you've got some biographical notes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to jump on that next, but I am curious since this is a, you know, we're getting up to speed with
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, what are we looking at for a will here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let me actually back up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I want to ask you about who what other names we have on the list, yeah, to go through.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I also wanted to say something about the formatting really quick of this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So the idea is that for each person that we're going to be discussing, we'll do a podcast where we review their career and their filmography.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we'll come we have a voting scheme that we're going to try out and we'll pick off of a list of a sort of a central filmography and then you the listener audience will put a link in the show notes for a voting place and then you can go vote.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then whatever movie you all pick will then all watch that movie and then we'll do a deep dive on that movie.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll get into the behind the scenes, we'll get into the themes and the impact, it's legacy, why this movie represents that person's career and it just sort of do a normal
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that'll be the format.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And this isn't going to be on a regular frequency.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So much maybe a little bit at the beginning because we have a couple of, I think, names on the list that we want to get to.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But this podcast is just going to come out when it comes out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: As you guys do your research and prepare the episodes, and then we can find a recording schedule, and then we'll get those out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So this will just kind of move along at its own frequency and pace.
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[SPEAKER_05]: for every person that we profile, there's going to be two episodes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then I was thinking too, because sometimes there may be somebody a producer or maybe a lesser known director, we want to throw in to a shorter podcast where we bundle up a couple of names.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We can do that or we can fold them in.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But we'll kind of accordion size our formatting and our frequency based on the needs.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who are some other folks that were going to be profiling in future episodes that have already passed away to get back to yeah we've got Rob Reiner yes now Alicia is going to do has a Rob Reiner
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[SPEAKER_05]: list for our next 11's podcast so but that's that's her that's because some she wants to do that and she's like you know super excited so like we're not you know separating from that but that is subscriber only and that is our dishes list so you know like that's curated for her you know without an then we'll pick ours but um yeah so for subscribers if you're interested in that yeah do you definitely check that out so anyway Rob Reiner
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and he's got a huge filmography, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we got no show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have Catherine O'Hara.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Robert DeVal.
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[SPEAKER_05]: OK, and those are most recent folks who have passed away.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: OK. And if there's folks that, if people want to write in or mention a name on the discord, we can definitely consider those.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And see, yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Brian and I have our own death watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we always have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is something you have prior to this boat, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we did a whole inventory a few weeks ago about a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I get excited because like, you know, Al Pacino is like 83 or 84.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you worry about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then unlike he was at the Vanity Fair Oscar party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, you think he's okay, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Clint Eastwood and where I can do a lot of time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, Mel Brooks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mel Brooks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we've got it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot coming up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We will keep you posted going forward.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Usually I'm sure on the when we do the movie review thing will have the next podcast sort of pre pre identified.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Rolling forward, but we'll just keep everybody sort of informed so that that way they can do their own research and participate in in the discord and in the emails and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you've got some biographical notes on Gene Hackman, so let's this is a good time to take a commercial break.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll do that and then when we come back, I'll hand it over to you guys for a little bit of a deep dive into Gene Hackman's life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we're back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, Gene Hackman biography.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Brian, I think you've got some notes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Once you take it away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Hackman was born in 1930.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Rose from a tough depression air childhood did a stint in the Marine Corps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was after
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[SPEAKER_03]: and became one of America's most respected actors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting enough, he was, he was even voted least likely to succeed at drama school.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a quiet ones, right, that you got to watch out for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Coming from the theater, Hackman broke through with his Oscar nominator role in Bonnie and Clyde, then exploded into Stardom as a gritty New York cop, Popeye Doyle in the French connection, right, another famous one, a role that actually won his first Academy Award.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, over the next three decades, he became this go-to actor for, like, complex, conflicted characters and films like the conversation, Hoosiers, Crimson Tide, Royal Tannenbombs, and, of course, the unforgiving, which earned him a second Oscar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But interesting enough in the 2000s, and I didn't know this until recently, he stepped away from Hollywood and reinvented himself as a novelist.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to go back and figure out what he wrote.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we wrote like a thriller.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A Western?
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[SPEAKER_03]: and some kind of 19th century pirate seafaring novel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he's going to wrote that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, okay, I may have to put this on my two-be read pile here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he became a novelist, but his body of work still stands as a master class in screen acting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And his influence can be felt in nearly every serious character performance that followed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Lisa, what was he like on sad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Gene Hackman was definitely had a reputation as a brilliant but demanding presence on set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He loved acting itself, but he often disliked the machinery around it, long hours and hair and makeup and the studio politics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what he saw was like unnecessary film industry, best practices and rituals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So directors like Barry Sonnenfeld and John Moore say that Hackman always arrived prepared and he was fiercely protective of his characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On some films he would literally cut script pages apart, to remove line readings and emotional directions like his voice begins to quiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: crack, no cut that out, insisting that these choices belong to the actor and not to the writer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, that intensity obviously could cause a little friction on get shorty, son-in-feld recalled Hackman clashing with co-star John Travolta over preparation, being ready at the go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hackman knew his lines, cold, and he really had little patience for what he saw as a
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bill Murray also had said that on the Royal Tenand Bombs, a hackman could be really tough on director Wes Anderson, especially early in the shoot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of Wes's very first movies, but even those who experienced that side of Gene Hackman, say that his performances were extraordinary, and that his toughness, his dedication came from like really high standards and not his ego.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also stood by his principles, I mean during Superman 2, he was Lex Luther, he refused to return after Director Richard Donner was fired, and so the production had to finish with some scenes with a double.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow, a voice open, which Brian, I'll bring up later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just learned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the end of his career, as Brian said, you know, the business side of filmmaking was just just too stressful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, and uh, he really just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is known for embodying New Hollywood's double edge, which I know you'll talk about Brian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just an uncompromising artistry that produces some of the various greatest performances and a working style that could be as volatile and electrifying as the films themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Brian, what do I mean by New Hollywood?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: we dive deep as Lohound.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was interested in this idea of New Hollywood because especially this is not going to be the last time that we're going to be talking about New Hollywood right out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Chino, we've talked a little bit with Diane Keaton, you know, there's this whole generation of of New Hollywood and what is it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, so in the late 20s and through the early 60s,
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[SPEAKER_03]: the studios operated a rigid system in which the studios themselves controlled all the filmmaking so the scripts to the stars.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So actually the directors and the writers were totally under the low totem pole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were thrown in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were thrown out.
21:48
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't like it.
21:48
[SPEAKER_03]: They were interchangeable and it produced kind of like polished commercial safe films bound by the conservative
21:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly, conservative Hayes code, which I will bring up later in our filmography.
22:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll put it pin in the Hayes code.
22:05
[SPEAKER_03]: But by the late 60s, the collapse of the system, the elimination of the Hayes codes with the new film ratings, you know, the rated R, PG, etc.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Combine with the influence of European arts in them up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and a younger, counter-culture audience gave rise to New Hollywood.
22:24
[SPEAKER_03]: So these are the filmmakers like Francis Ford Copola, Barton Scorsese, Robert Oldman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They seize control creatively, and explore the character driven, write that darker stories of Broke Taboo's for violence, language, nudity, themes.
22:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So you move from this glossy, controlled spectacle,
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[SPEAKER_03]: to raw, direct, director-driven cinema that changed how audiences related to the movies compared to classical Hollywood, with some exceptions, of course.
22:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of doing a broad brush, but we could talk even more tonight about classical Hollywood and that film noir blah blah blah.
23:06
[SPEAKER_03]: His place in New Hollywood is crucial to understanding this whole dynamic, because New Hollywood, you know, praise realism, regular looking people, right, moral, merciness, character, and hackmen was one of the defining bases through the films that we're going to talk about tonight.
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[SPEAKER_05]: the French connection.
23:27
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just thinking of how that overturned the police mythology.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Cops is being the good guys to yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Then being morally questionable.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The city is dirty, dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The cops are just dangerous as any criminal.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's out there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Which broke his code.
23:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
23:47
[SPEAKER_05]: And Hackman's right in there on overturning the the what do you want to say the standardized forms.
23:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
23:58
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, norms exactly.
23:59
[SPEAKER_03]: The norms exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a moral code that you had to follow as a film and those rogueloups.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
24:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And Hackman was right in the middle of all that, which is pretty exciting.
24:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you had a generation that character sounded like real people and they're not manufactured stars or grounded.
24:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what Takman's all about.
24:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And at least what can we say about his passing into the West?
24:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arrakawah were found dead in their Santa Fe home in February of 2025.
24:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was found they they died a week apart of unrelated natural causes, but because their bodies weren't discovered for several days.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: There was speculation that range from foul play to poisoning or even like a gas leak.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that really got caught up in all of that, but it takes time to do autopsies and toxicology.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And those reports found no carbon monoxide, no signs of trauma, and investigators ultimately ruled both deaths were natural.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but there was just weeks and weeks of, and even their pet dogs, there was one that was outside, but one that was inside, and anyway, we'll go out.
25:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Was there a case that she passed away from Antivirus and then he passed away because he, Alzheimer's or Parkinson's, he died from Alzheimer's related dementia.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he really,
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[SPEAKER_00]: couldn't take care of himself very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was the one that passed first from a disease that humans can get from like rat droppings and things like that.
25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so she died from the very serious infection.
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And Pac-Man.
26:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was his full-time caretaker.
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: They live very remotely and isolated.
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's right.
26:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really checking in on them regularly.
26:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And he just left alone in Mexico.
26:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was just left alone.
26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a dementia state.
26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With his wife dead in the bathroom.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
26:20
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just, it like, it's just, it's just hard.
26:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
26:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That such an August.
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[SPEAKER_05]: you know, personality.
26:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
26:29
[SPEAKER_05]: But it just shows you harm our mortality.
26:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
26:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
26:34
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I, I subscribe to the Washington Post and I always read the obituary, especially for the big names and everything.
26:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And when I read about like anyone from the big actors, be list and a, listen, be list, you see a lot of them like they died at a home.
26:51
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, restaurant and family.
26:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
26:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
26:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
26:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just we're all human, even at the, at the
26:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was joking, you know, death is not joke, but, you know, into the West, for those who are not talking folks, that is the process where elves go from Middle-Earth into magical ships and head west to Valinore.
27:17
[SPEAKER_04]: And as you brought this up, I forgot to say anything about into the West, uh, exactly.
27:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So that you know, you see this in the Jackson movies, you see this in the rings of power.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They are going beyond this world into their paradise.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
27:31
[SPEAKER_05]: And maybe we'll have Marilyn on one day to talk about the mythology of the great.
27:37
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be wonderful.
27:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
27:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was telling Lisa, it's like, I'd rather be a elf.
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[SPEAKER_03]: on a ship heading to Valenor than what Gene and his wife suffered through.
27:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's rough.
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a strange echo here with one of Hacman's earliest roles in I never sang for my father, Hacman plays a man struggling with his aging father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a difficult relationship in that movie that ends with the father dying alone and
28:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought the exact same thing when I saw this movie.
28:14
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh my gosh, it's a lie.
28:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It's art imitating life.
28:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, all right, well, that's super interesting.
28:23
[SPEAKER_05]: I knew that he had a brief military career.
28:26
[SPEAKER_05]: And I knew that he was like a really work.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, this was his job.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He was an actor and he was going to do it.
28:36
[SPEAKER_05]: And I did realize to the extent to which is that personality, I guess, you know, we can talk about our sort of moments of reflection about, you know, who this person was for us.
28:50
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a relative that reminds me of Gene Hackman in a lot of ways.
29:03
[SPEAKER_05]: of young people, or people who grew up in that era and that time, there's a kind of toughness, there's kind of an inner strength that I think probably, you know, comes after, you know, the war, you know, World War II, and part of that culture that comes out of that, because obviously he was too young to fight in that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And there's always an intense, he always is on screen in my mind with a kind of intensity.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And a kind of hardness to him.
29:36
[SPEAKER_05]: And then when you see him break on screen or that his, his role is a little bit different, you know, thinking of town and bonds.
29:46
[SPEAKER_05]: That you're like, wow, this guy can can really act.
29:49
[SPEAKER_05]: He had a kind of type of character that he would play.
29:53
[SPEAKER_05]: But he played the character, he was not a movie star, he wasn't a duckface.
29:59
[SPEAKER_05]: And so yeah, I think whatever his, we'll talk about films, a specific films later.
30:04
[SPEAKER_05]: But I remember a movie heist, I happen to just see randomly one time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, oh, god, this is so good, he's so good and nice.
30:14
[SPEAKER_05]: And obviously, what's the one where the enemy of the state, you know, you know, that's always a good one.
30:23
[SPEAKER_05]: But then you forget about things like Mississippi burning and Hoosiers, we're going to talk about all these in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then you even get even deeper into his filmography and he's got some really great roles.
30:33
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I don't remember a time when Gene Hackman wasn't on.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The screen for me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember his.
30:42
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I remember his going, but I don't ever remember his coming because he was just one of the fixtures of movies that I would grow up with.
30:52
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I just, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: say enough about him, you know, to a steam him anymore, then, you know, he was just a really great actor.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He did his job and he brought everything he had to his roles.
31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So super cool.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he had 79 feature films.
31:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like scrolling down the list here, and it's like, that is not something that I've filmed.
31:22
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how you know it's not.
31:23
[SPEAKER_00]: We just like it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Harry's down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We think you're all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and the fact that it's such a lengthy, like many of these folks will talk about on our podcast, but we're going to talk about a handful of essentials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are 79, and I've heard from friends and others that and we hope to hear from the community as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What were your favorites?
31:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a lot to experience.
31:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Brian, some reflections from you?
31:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so my first exposure to Gene Hackman was Lex Luther and Superman, but I'm going to give that story over to Lisa, little later, to explain.
32:03
[SPEAKER_03]: a little inside the family thing yeah the the big role I remember him is in Hoosiers I love sports movies and he was just such a pillar of character in that movie and
32:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Even then, I must have been probably in my 20s and because he wasn't this huge movie star, I was still a little perplexed by who Gene Hackman is.
32:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And there he was in this Swooshers basketball, high school basketball film, and he was huge as amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, and then came Mississippi Burning, and then I'm forgiven.
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[SPEAKER_03]: my other favorite movies of his.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's just truly just blends into a film.
32:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just just so, you know, as I mentioned, you think about his movies first, his roles first and not the person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that tells you something, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a character driven anti-hero, no superstar
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[SPEAKER_03]: coming from the stage and television, which is also huge of this generation, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: They cut their teeth on other mediums, not straight into movies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just special.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of God.
33:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Lisa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so for me and Brian and our family history, um, we, um, our parents were divorced and we lived with our father, uh, when our parents split up.
33:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And our father had, uh, he was the youngest of three.
33:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we were very close to our uncles, uh, Uncle Bill, Uncle Don, and dad, you know, the three, the brothers' thrice as we would call them.
34:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And one thing that Uncle Bill and our dad and the two of us just were fanatical about were films.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in the day, you know, we saw, we loved raiders of the Lost Ark so much that I think we saw like 14 times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the theater, like any time someone said theater, not on the theater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not streaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, literally 14 times literally and Uncle Bill would go with us if we were like taking a friend.
34:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god You haven't seen Raiders, you know Anyway, so our role bill the Harrison Ford Rock Yeah, we'll have a log guess for that one.
34:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
34:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, but yeah, so sort of Uncle Bell and he had a great sense of humor.
34:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And so 1980 when Superman II came out with Christopher Reeve, you know, he Gene Hackman is playing Lex Luthor.
34:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a scene where Lex Luthor discovers where the kryptonite is and where Superman's home is up in the Arctic.
35:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna have to get used to that.
35:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
35:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, you know that people in the internet yell at you for spoiling Yes, or he 40 year old movie you're like what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, kryptonite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, super.
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[UNKNOWN]: Hey
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Gene happened and his right-hand woman, Miss Tessbocker, Tessbocker, you know, go to the Arctic and there's like dog sled or whatever and they're trying to figure out where to go find Superman's home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she's, you know, upset with this and asking questions and he just simply says, North, Miss Tessbocker, North.
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like this wide shot and these little people in the snow, and it's just the north, mist-tussbocker north.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that became a catchphrase in our family where any time we were in the car together and this like literally probably until he died.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, in the, you know, any time we were sure where we were going, you're getting lost,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking like decades, that's our catchphrase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we just didn't know where we're going as a family, it was always here.
36:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I haven't seen that movie in so long, but I can hear his delivery of that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So clearly in my experience, just going to be flat as concrete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just matter of fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: North.
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[SPEAKER_00]: North.
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[SPEAKER_00]: North.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: North.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why would it be any other direction?
36:39
[SPEAKER_05]: That was right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, so that's for that personally.
36:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, that's really our first time we saw him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we loved him as like loose luck, sleuth, or in our family.
36:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but for me, kind of what we talked about is that, you know, the fact that he is a new movie star, you know, like Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise, but, you know, actors actor, character actor.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I do love him when he is a sterile.
37:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He is funny in Superman and Superman, too.
37:08
[SPEAKER_00]: A bird cage, a sterile, or a 10 in bombs, fabulous.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he, it's just, it's, it's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Playing so against type and 10 of them, yeah.
37:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're like, you know, I've been funny.
37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so those really stood out for me, and then I have really non-traditional favorites because he plays moral ambiguity, and it has a quiet menace where he really weaponizes the cell and intelligence, so no way out with Kevin Costner.
37:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting way of phrasing that.
37:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so in no way out with Kevin Costner, he plays the Secretary of Defense in the firm with Tom Cruise.
37:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the mentor lawyer who, yes.
37:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then runaway jury is one of my favorites.
37:58
[SPEAKER_00]: One of his next to last films where, again, he's, you know, spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a moral man.
38:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a moral lawyer in this trial.
38:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's in it with Dustin Hoffman, which was a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because the two of them are from that generation and they actually realized that they had not written a scene of the two of them together.
38:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So they had to go back right and see and bring the actors in because you can't have Jean had been industrial together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had.
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[SPEAKER_05]: to show you guys.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
38:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:38
[SPEAKER_00]: In 2020, each other in a small middle tube.
38:40
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
38:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's really where Hackman stands out for me.
38:47
[SPEAKER_05]: Got it.
38:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, cool.
38:49
[SPEAKER_05]: So let's take another quick break.
38:52
[SPEAKER_05]: And then when we come back, we're going to run through your essentials list.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we're going to pick several films.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we'll set those up to be voted on.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But we'll be right back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we're back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So let's start talking about Gene Hackman's essential filmography because we're not going to do a full podcast of all 79.
39:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Was it 79?
39:26
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't even have his stage list here, right?
39:29
[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know that we saw him very much on the small screen.
39:32
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think so, yeah.
39:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
39:34
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think we're speaking to just, you know, again, we're kind of
39:38
[SPEAKER_05]: getting the shape of this podcast and seeing what we're going to cover.
39:41
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think we're limiting ourselves only to the silver screen.
39:44
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we could go to the small TV screen as well if there are people that we really want to talk about or people out there and the audience want us to talk about it so.
39:56
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, so how do you guys, I'm turning it over to you, how do you guys want to run his filmography?
40:00
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... so we have the first uh... nineteen sixty seven but implied playing a supporting character is the buck barrel which is clides older brother
40:16
[SPEAKER_03]: and a pair of bank robbers cut a violent swath across depression in America, dragging along Clyde's reckless brother and his wife toward an explosive end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is where he got an Oscar for nomination for supporting actor.
40:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
40:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:34
[SPEAKER_05]: Do we know who won the who who got who he beat or who was he was beaten by in that one?
40:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe he's going to put up really quick.
40:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:43
[SPEAKER_05]: And this is the movie that sort of got him off stage and on to screen, right?
40:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So he worked with Warren Bady work with Hackman and in the previous film together, Lilith in 1964.
40:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
40:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And Warren Bady really thought this is a good actor.
41:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to kind of remember him.
41:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
41:04
[SPEAKER_03]: So he brought him on board for Bonnie and Clyde.
41:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Cool.
41:09
[SPEAKER_05]: What is it?
41:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Who's song is that?
41:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Somebody has a famous song that they would never say it was a woman's singer about, oh, you're so vain.
41:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it about Warren Bady?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carly Simon.
41:20
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a Carly Simon.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Carly Simon.
41:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: She wrote about Warren Bady.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes.
41:25
[SPEAKER_05]: So it was Warren Bady's time.
41:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't remember because I think he revealed it finally, right?
41:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she did.
41:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Took a long time, but yeah.
41:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, he lost to George Kennedy in
41:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, that's a really good one.
41:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
41:42
[SPEAKER_05]: You guys both watch Oscars the other night, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I did not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
41:47
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Lisa, what did you think of this year's Oscars?
41:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I thought they were there because you were posted.
41:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I'm sure some of the best photos for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Seven.
41:58
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I have to say that was the fun part of this year's Oscar watch.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Because the Oscars this year, on television, is wise.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was fine.
42:05
[SPEAKER_05]: It was like good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What was fun was chatting with everybody real time in the discord while we were all watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, 100% and I learned that I would kind of put my hand over my laptop screen because, you know, how each of us can even just be a couple of seconds off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so I was like running it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't want to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So no, I was thrilled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was selling Brian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really felt quite emotional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: More than I thought I would be because
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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul Thomas Anderson, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's like my generation starting with for me from Boogie Knights, I went back and you know, some hard eight later, but so yeah, so I was really surprised if I myself so moved and thrilled and happy that the Paul Thomas Anderson who's just an incredible filmmaker is finally getting his kudos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but no, I enjoyed it very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, so maybe we could just go back and forth if you guys want to do that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, you want to pick your fans.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Brian, why don't you dive into the 70s and those that have who are subscribers and listen to it, Brian and I kind of split things so that we both don't watch the same film unless it's a favorite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to let my wife.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So you guys are doing pre-research before you do this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he reads it once he watches films.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, you guys are so hardcore.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we've split up, you can hardly, you define or you're like, you are the band diagram of one or more round is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Brian caught more of the first couple of films you want to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OK, perfect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Bonnie and Clyde, I've seen, I don't know, Lisa, if you've seen or in this round.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is as classic, uh, definitely I think would be on our probably our list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He has his accent, which is, which is pretty good, uh, but he definitely, you know, holds his own.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we get to the 1970, this one I've never heard of until we started doing this and this was I never saying for my father.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he plays the lead, a mid-oaged son struggles to break free from his domineering father while confronting guilt, resentment, and unspoken love.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he also, again, was nominated for a best supporting actor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not kind of comes out of the gate two films and I know right he did have a few minor movies He worked with I think well, was it Robert Redford as the coach of the ski a wine yeah, yeah, but down no racer down no racer Yeah, which it's like
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just like he plays this kind of honorary coach, but nothing meaningful, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this was a play right from 1968, academic writer moving to California, he meets a girlfriend, he wants to move out there and marry her, but his father is ill, his sister is estranged.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was pleasant, I mean, I was surprised and pleasantly so for this movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It seems to hold up because, you know, kind of has that Marvin's room vibe that we talked about three of us for dying Keaton, seeing kind of themes of taking care of your family who are ill, and he is really
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[SPEAKER_03]: just sorting it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want to stay and help us to add.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to go to California and live his life, right?
45:43
[SPEAKER_05]: This is such a kind of a new Hollywoody film, right?
45:47
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, where's the difference for the older generation and familiar and familiar responsibilities?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Go out to California, get away from the East Coast, you know, where it's sunshine and just like we had in any hall, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to go, she's like,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm out of here, like what's on?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Would you have a taste of California like she was done?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's so interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a really interesting film in terms of.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The film period, as well as Haceman's personal life, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not a popular, you know, way to behave, as it wasn't like it's fast about how one should treat your elders.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And it's part of that out-turning over of the New Hollywood, turning over social, societal norms, through storytelling on screen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a great segue into Brian, the French connection.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is a classic, 1971, Detective Popeye Doyle, a relentless New York narcotics cop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hunts a heroin smuggling ring with brutal obsessive intensity, and he won.
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[SPEAKER_03]: best actor for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He also was one in the BAFTA award for best actor.
47:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And this movie goes back to David of his who's saying about the Hayes code, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And same thing with Bonnie and Clyde, where you had two things I want to
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[SPEAKER_03]: come out with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One you mentioned about authority figures like police's police and judges had to be portrayed with respect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when you watch for good action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you see, you see,
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[SPEAKER_03]: of my Doyle wearing a Santa suit wailing on a suspect, you know, you know, you aren't going to see Elliot Ness do this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just not going to happen, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But in this movie, it does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And crime could never be shown to pay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Villains had to be punished and that also was thrown.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the window in this movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you're already breaking old customs once again, but New Hollywood for this movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, the New York City was the character, you know, Brooklyn,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Gritty, the street detective, and the famous car chase, also, was known for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then there wasn't a secret.
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[SPEAKER_05]: On out for subscribers, we covered this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is what got loaded on by the subscribers.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we did discuss it on Patreon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's that's a that's an important role there.
48:38
[SPEAKER_03]: We have the beside an adventure 1972 lead ensemble Reverend Frank Scott after a luxury liner capsizes a
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen this movie a few times, actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of those kind of fun disaster movies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's kind of unusual that you have a fun designer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The crime is a, yeah, we're an actual designer flips upside down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like, wow, I didn't think of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And this was in the era of disaster movies where industrialization and modern life, filmmakers were starting to explore the horror of these contraptions that we had started to
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[SPEAKER_05]: in trap ourselves into and so yeah airplane and towering in furno and inside adventure we're all uh of a piece that's right and I forget that he was in a lead role in this I didn't yeah it was part of the lead ensemble um and he played a priest who
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[SPEAKER_00]: wasn't the kind of priest that's like let's all have a prayer group together as we all sink to the bottom of the ocean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's just like, y'all aren't doing anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting us out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, he wouldn't even Gene Hackman doesn't play a priest the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Precimate and play.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I recently, the next on our list is scarecrow in 1973, where he was a co-lead with Al Pacino.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I saw this for the first time as part of our research for this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holy cow is that
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Al Pacino, I think he did this right after the godfather.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, and, you know, Jean Hagman's already won a couple of Oscars already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, it's just like, wow, I could have watched them forever.
50:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It really was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, these are, you know, X-Cons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They both got out of prison, you know, what are they going to do with their future?
50:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, and it's definitely one of those, buddy, I don't know if it's a buddy road trip, but it's the two of them getting from place to place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a destination in mind what they want to do, but they,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They create a lot of chaos and lose their temper quite a bit along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just watched Midnight Cowboy, which I never seen before, and it was a it was a reference for Wonderman, which is a Marvel television show, which if you haven't watched it,
51:30
[SPEAKER_05]: I think for me right now it's sitting either at my number one or number two show for this year so far and it's probably going to it's definitely going to end up in the top five it's that good and it's not at all what you think it is, but the use midnight cowboy as a reference in that and I'm I'm looking at the scarecrow stuff here, I'm like is this is only what four three four years after midnight cowboy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We had Dustin Hoffman and here we have, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
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[SPEAKER_06]: yeah exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was in 1973 and then the last essential that Brian and I have on our list is the conversation for the seventies for the seventies for the seventies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, clarifying yes, 1974 he played the lead as Harry cow as a paranoid surveillance expert who fears his recording has put a couple's lives in danger and he unravels under the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is definitely a classic of his, um, he was nominated for a BAFTA, but that was his only nomination, you know, in terms of the top acting cat.
52:53
[SPEAKER_05]: This is one of the films that I'm more interested in in picking when we did our previous, uh, hackman run.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember if I picked this one or not, I remember I remember what got voted on, but this one was still sticking out was rattling around on my
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it holds up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It very much holds up because it's almost like a little mystery or kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, again, that moral ambiguity, really, who's the guy, who's the bad guy, who's the one doing this, who's, I mean, you know, and so it's really terrific.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is, he really just breaks down at the end and Brian and I realized too that Robert
53:37
[SPEAKER_00]: part in this movie, as we were thinking about again, our Gene Hackman connections to things.
53:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's actually did a film with Robert Devol, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, same scene, boom right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great.
53:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
53:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So that covers the 70s.
53:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And right, you know, yeah, why do you pick up kick up.
53:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, guys.
53:59
[SPEAKER_03]: So the 80s essentials, 1986 we got Hoosiers coach Norman Dale, a disgrace coach gets one last chance leading a tiny Indiana high school basketball team on a miraculous run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And no Oscar, BAFTA, acting nominations for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's considered one of his signature roles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of my favorites.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As I mentioned earlier in the podcast, it's just a great period piece.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's very interesting how, like I think it was like 1950s, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, those who live in Indiana basketball runs the ball is a religion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he just really, you know, sits well into the space and also lets his co-star shine as well.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's got dentists being interested in that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Barbara Hershey, Barbara Hershey, his love interest.
54:57
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, cool.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I love her.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I remember this coming out and I can't, and I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I have no recollection if I've seen it or not, but I know it's one of his, like, I know the movie.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know it exists.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know that he's in it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I have no recollection if I've seen it or not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I have to see.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, but okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What's next?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next is in 1997.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a key supporting role in the movie No Way Out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to start Kevin Costner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely don't want to spoil this for anyone who might watch the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he plays David Bryce, who is a very powerful defense secretary, who frames a phantom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: only defined his own protege is closing in on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he, again, he, he's actually
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[SPEAKER_00]: a little more moral in this one, then some of the other, we can't say too much about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but again, it's seeing Gene Hackman as Secretary of Defense and having a lot of power in Washington in the 80s, and so he's very, yep, doing it my way, this is what we're doing, but when something goes way off the tracks, he really struggles with it, so for
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's got a stacked cast, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's got Kevin Costner, Sean Young, Will Patton, Fred Thompson, is that E-Mon is even in this first minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
56:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I recently rewatched that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it hold up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, yeah.
56:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: young Kevin Costner looking hot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very, yeah, very thin in the posture that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, but yeah, but, you know, there's a love interest for a gene hack been there and one of the things that Brian and I were kind of well, maybe I am being the mom come freak that I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, there's not a lot of romantic roles for gene hackmen.
57:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
57:08
[SPEAKER_06]: True.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he may, and if he is like in the conversation, he did have a love interest, but I mean, she was just like, oh, please pay attention to me, please.
57:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, he just doesn't trust anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was wondering, I told Brian, I could remember if he had any sort of romantic or intimate moments with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sean, I'm blanking what's her name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Young, Sean Young, you know, because they're having an affair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right in the start of the part of the premise of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he like barely touches her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of in a loving way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so it has been interesting.
57:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So Brian and I were also kind of tracking to see play romantic roles and that's kind of a, you know, a good segue Brian the next one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no way out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just want to like my all time favorite movies and Gene Hackman happens to be at it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
58:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we have 1988, Mississippi Burning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the small town sheriff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He plays Agent Rupert Anderson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He turned FBI agent, probes a murder of civil rights workers in the racist deep south.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was nominated for Best Oscar, for Best Actor, and a BAFTA, Best Actor, nomination.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this was, I remember seeing it in the theaters was hugely popular, very much critical claim.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is, this is also, I think, one of my personal favorites and very strong movie by family and I watched it not that long ago, actually, before doing this podcast, because it's just one on the shelf that we just always go back to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it holds up from a story standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And difficult history and sort of.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
59:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's interesting because I think this podcast, I made a connection.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He plays a little like Popeye Doyle, this angry kind of tough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: small town share of Ternet B.I.A.
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[SPEAKER_03]: agent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's like a connection there, you know, kernel between these two characters, but you know, he plays that very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he co-stars with Willem Dafoe, that's going to be another.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, another young Willem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's lower on a brushless, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's more of the straight, straight by the book by the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of a B.I.
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[SPEAKER_03]: agent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Francis McDormann is oh, I can't believe it.
59:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when we first started seeing Francis McDormann and yeah, and she's an abused wife I think of one of the clan members.
59:52
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, now we have to play seven degrees of Brad Doris because he keeps coming up with the bitch
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, you see the chatter on the discord on this and, you know, worm tongue in the pit and then these other things were like, wait a minute, disguise and everything, you know, seven degrees game for him.
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
1:00:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Then I see you have bat 21 here, 1988, and this is a movie that I had forgotten about until I just saw it year on this list.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I tell us a little bit about that one.
1:00:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's Lieutenant Colonel, I see a Hamilton.
1:00:29
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a lead, a down-to-air force officer uses coded golf references to guide rescuers while invading enemy forces and Vietnam.
1:00:38
[SPEAKER_03]: No nominations, of course.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's a different film.
1:00:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not catch this in our four podcasts, though.
1:00:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So it would
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'd have to have to take a look at that one.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not familiar with it.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, this is in the post Vietnam era when a lot of films about that, telling the experiences of the soldiers.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but you know, that this has Danny Glover.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_05]: He started a co-stars Danny Glover.
1:01:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Danny Glover is the pilot that is circling around trying to get him rescued and Hackman is on the ground running away from enemy soldiers.
1:01:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_05]: And I remember having a good, I remember seeing this when I was a kid because I was all into this stuff at that time.
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_05]: But I have completely blanked it until I'm like watching on IMDB right now, the little clip trailer thing going, wow.
1:01:32
[SPEAKER_05]: And this movie does not visually hold up.
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_05]: looks pretty terrible.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but Glover and Hackman, you know, I guess something there.
1:01:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:01:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
1:01:46
[SPEAKER_05]: What's up with 1989's movie here, the package?
1:01:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Blaze Elite here, Sergeant Johnny Gallagher and Army Sergeant escorting a prisoner and covers a high level plot to assassinate a world leader.
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_05]: I do not remember this movie at all.
1:02:02
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't either.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll just make it on the list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's considering Jones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably why I think is like we think about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of these great actors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to connect with them and then talk about it a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, acknowledge it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For sure.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that was the 80s for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say probably Hoosiers and Mississippi burning are probably the ones that we think about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we head into the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brian, I'm going to launch off with for the record listeners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of Brian and I splitting these things, he will watch Westerns and more films.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did revisit and what we're talking about is unforgiven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you watched the Western?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, please, I mean, it was so highly lauded, got so many Oscars, best picture, best director for Clint Eastwood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm like, for this podcast, I'm going to revisit it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I texted my brother and I said, yeah, no, I still don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not my jam, so I will let my brother talk more about it because it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he plays, you know, he wanted Oscar for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He plays the villain and he is, he has a backup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's mean, he's cruel, but he also could be nice, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is a little off-putting that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, yeah, you know, you know, let's just cross, I hope you across the street and now just push another guy down in the ground and shoot you, you know, like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, wow, you know, that kind of character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's just a great foil for Clint Eastwood's character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, both struggling, you know, I think in some ways, Hackman's role here, he wanted to live in peace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to move the past away, you know, the past behind him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Clint Eastwood's like, that's the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you can't escape.
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[SPEAKER_03]: their past and they are caught up with that and struggle with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, you know, there's there's consequences.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So this is a movie too where we're really starting to see these two big, big,
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[SPEAKER_05]: stars, both have a type, a role, there's a sort of type cast on the East with his thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But these are two greats that we've grown up with.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And in this film, they're both aging and coming to terms with their mortality.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think this is a film going
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[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, Clint Eastwood's getting hold and like wow, that's that's tough because, you know, we grew up with them in the spaghetti Westerns.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the man with no name.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 60s on the journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll bet I didn't look into it too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I bet based on what we talked about Gene Hackman's working style that he probably really enjoyed working with Clint Eastwood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Clint Eastwood as a director is very no one take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Move on, you know, do you job?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not here to cuddle you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Here's the camera set up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that would have been interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been a fly on the I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And more of your Freeman was in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not here to cuddle you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the camera set up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, oh, yay, so my favorites, next we have in 1993, he was a major supporting role in the firm that started Tom Cruise based on a very popular novel, he plays a retailer, a charming senior partner who mentors a young lawyer played by Tom Cruise in a prestigious firm hiding deadly secrets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm bomb bomb bomb bomb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've watched the firm 25 times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I love I love the pride loved the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought it was a great adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, really loved Tom Cruise in this, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, you know, every taller, it's so Jean Hackman to come in and just be like the, you know, the man who's better on the block, it's probably broken a few rules.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's okay with that, you know, and so he's again that moral ambiguity and, you know, that I'm real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to sort of attract it to when Gene Hagman does so well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was a huge hit, you know, for another, that another's stacked cast, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: How about Brooke?
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[SPEAKER_05]: We'll for a grimly holly hunter, Ed Harris, David Streatham, Gary Bucy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's some memes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're all fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really, really, really great film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he does, I think Brian and I when you were, I was talking to you about the romcom stuff, but I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: one of the closer-ish that we get where Gene Hackman plays a little bit of, you know, a romantic interest, you know, he does develop a crush on Tom Cruise's wife and, you know, where does that go and so forth?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's lonely and he's there's flirting involved and they might have even kissed, which you don't see Gene Hackman do much at all, but yeah, yeah, the firm is one of my favorites
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[SPEAKER_00]: So his crimson crimson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to come out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, 1995 is when it came out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was co-lead with the Great Denzo Washington.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gene Hackman plays Captain Frank Ramsey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a hard-line submarine commander who clashes with his executive officer, Denzo Washington, over launching nuclear missiles during a crisis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, David, I think you said, you know, put, put Denzel Washington and Jean Hackman together in a small tube underwater, it ain't got to be boring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, based on an extremely popular novel, so that did really, really well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's, it's also one of my personal favorites because I come from the world of communication and it really wrestles with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, did you or did you not get that note or message and, you know, what's implied there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love the premise of the movie as well, but, uh, I mean, you can't not watch Denzel Washington, Gene Hackman together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great, great, paste, great thriller, it's a terrific movie.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we have a lovely insider Hollywood movie, Get Shorty 95.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the plays supporting role, Harry Zam, a nervous B movie producer, gets in over his head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When a lone shark decides Hollywood is his next racket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Jonathan Volta, of course plays the lone shark.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the two of them are just so good together.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and Del Rey Lindo is in this and Dennis Rina.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So Renee Russo, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Renee Russo, please, see ya.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So fun one, it's a fun one, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I didn't, I did not like the second one, but that's neither here nor there, but the shorty is a classic, it's iconic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Next.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Finally, we have Enemy of the State.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 19.8.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Edward Brill, Lyle, a reclusive surveillance expert, AIDS a lawyer, framed by a rogue NSA agent.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is a, talk about the deep state.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is, uh, this is all, uh, like, good guys and bad guys within the government.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't, I saw it not too long ago, and it, you know,
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[SPEAKER_05]: As a ridiculous action movie, it holds up, but it's pretty, it's, it's, it's, it's in league with like James Bond and you know all sorts of gadgets and just sort of stuff that just not would ever happen, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's not real at all.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But it is a fun thriller.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It is for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, so I guess we're going into the 2000s now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so we start in the year 2000 with a film called Under Suspicion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Director by Stephen Hopkins and Hackman plays, uh, he's a co-lead with Morgan Freeman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe, uh, another Freeman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another Freeman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they've been in a few, a couple of movies together, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, here, Hackman plays Henry Hurst, and he is a wealthy lawyer who becomes the prime suspect in a murder case during an intense police interrogation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, again, I haven't rewatched it in quite a while, but, you know, it's definitely again one of those morally ambiguous characters for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And thanks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, the same year in 2000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Brian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got the replacements.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He plays a sporting role coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jimmy begin to a grizzly coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lee's a team on this fit replacement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Robert DeNiro calls on the IRS movies, so they pay taxes, and that's why he does so much work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go, Bingo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember seeing it when it came out, or maybe a rental, like on DVD, but I don't remember much about it.
1:12:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And then in 2001, we have the highest place lead, Joe Moore, aging thieves is forced into one last dangerous robbery for by his treacherous fence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This has got Delroy Lindo in it as well, and I know David Mammot, we have to blow the fog over here as name, but you know, man, it's probably, Mammot's done bad things, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's, he's, he's, did he get called out for being, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: See now we're gonna make me go down that Arab at home, which yeah, it's been a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think Mammoth's got some issues.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think so too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, he nobody writes dialogue like David Mammoth and when you get Danny DeVito and Delroy Lindo and Gene Hackman and Sam Rockwell and Ricky Jay and it's this if you like high-st movies, if anybody out there listening likes a high-st movie
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[SPEAKER_05]: this is a great high-st movie, that's a lot of fun and again, actors who we've grown up with and as they're facing the mortality, they did.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And when they take on roles that fit their age, their character, they're mirroring that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So Hackman's role and this is really good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Sam Rockwell such a freak in this movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, it's a weirdo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When is he not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But definitely
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, David Mammoth is really known as a playwright.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He won the Tony and Pulitzer Prize for Writing Glenn Gary Glenn Ross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to see Al Pacino, and so I went to Broadway to see Al Pacino and Glenn Gary Glenn Ross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it all just ties together.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, another really good one of Mammoth's segway is House of Games.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He came out in 1987.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: With Joe Montenya.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it's a really good movie.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I, well, I have a, I have a memory that it's a good movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not be based in any factual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we really only have two more films on his essential list in 2001 in the royal tenant bombs, directed by West Anderson, another huge cast where he does play the lead as the father, the patriarch of this family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's royal, tenant bomb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a selfish, estranged patriarch who fakes illness to reinsert himself into the
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[SPEAKER_05]: And this is a classic classic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I rewatch it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It 100% holds up.
1:14:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so funny, you know, not too big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So quirky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So quirky, you know, it's just lovable, but you're like, dude, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can imagine it was tough, especially with, you know, I'm a huge Wes Anderson fan, and I can imagine as Wes Anderson is starting his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's very quirky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely very precise, you know, and tight and clean with his shots, and so I'm not surprised that Wes Anderson was probably trying to figure himself out as a director with this, you know, and so that's probably whether there's a little bit of a clashing on set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: career.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right after Rushmore, which really brought him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which really brought him what's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I was reading to that Hackman himself had struggled with this role.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't get the character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can see it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oddly enough, I think that Played into how to play that This comfort that internal discomfort You know like who am I. I'm not comfortable in my own skin Yes, that plays out in 10 am Care for yourself
1:16:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Angelica Houston really talked to me with that one.
1:16:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then we finish in 2003 on our essential list, runaway jury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He plays a key supporting role as Rankin Fitch, a ruthless jury consultant, who manipulates a gun industry trial until a mysterious juror turns the tables.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Dustin Hoffman plays, you know, he's on the good side, you know, fighting for the family that whose, you know, whose husband was killed by, you know, death by gunshot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a raid, a shooter went in.
1:16:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like a stock worker or an office or something and he shot a whole bunch of people down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so one of them, the wife decided we can't keep doing this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gene Hoffman and Justin, Gene Hoffman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have any names for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So quick note about your essentials this you guys came up with this list What was sort of your criteria or rubric for what you picked on this list because there's a lot of missing movies off your obvious Not only from complete for longer speech.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I'm not seeing Superman on here You know some of the right.
1:17:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Luther.
1:17:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that kind of thing
1:17:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's really based on an algorithm of again, since he passed and so much was written about him last year.
1:17:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It was based on a general consensus that I used to start out with artificial intelligence that scraped to the internet and said, this is a movie or role that is on hundreds of top 10 lists, whether it's on letterbox,
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_00]: or, you know, actual film critics and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it put those two together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do my research there.
1:18:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and, but again, that's why it's 79 families.
1:18:24
[SPEAKER_05]: And then you guys then boiled that this down and right.
1:18:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And right.
1:18:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you guys then boiled that this down and right.
1:18:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you guys then boiled that down.
1:18:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
1:18:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And now that I've rewatched Superman and Superman 2, I probably should have put that one on this list.
1:18:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
1:18:36
[SPEAKER_00]: We're learning, learning curve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:18:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
1:18:39
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's right.
1:18:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
1:18:41
[SPEAKER_05]: So, here's part of the...
1:18:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
1:18:45
[SPEAKER_05]: So, here's the part of the podcast where we pick our films and do we just want to do a list of 10 and each pick one so that then we have a voting of three.
1:18:54
[SPEAKER_05]: I know in the 11's these podcasts we pick 11 and we have a random dice roll that picks one movie.
1:19:02
[SPEAKER_05]: We can do whatever we want, we can change it in future.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, what do you guys like?
1:19:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, one of my favorites.
1:19:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I really did flop at this list, Brian.
1:19:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't put Burkage on here.
1:19:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know, right?
1:19:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's not too late.
1:19:17
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they can yell at you on the people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody on the internet.
1:19:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can at me.
1:19:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:19:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:19:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:19:22
[SPEAKER_03]: For sure.
1:19:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that right?
1:19:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:19:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Lisa for that one.
1:19:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:19:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, um, I mean, I have a favorite and it's probably okay.
1:19:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, so yeah, I'm not quite sure.
1:19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Have I called it out?
1:19:36
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
1:19:37
[SPEAKER_06]: What do you think about?
1:19:39
[SPEAKER_00]: what sticks with me is going to be the world 10 of homes.
1:19:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I'm a West Anderson freak and I love that court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a great taste here.
1:19:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:19:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
1:19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So I love right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A thought.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, I think from what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, you know, it's tough.
1:20:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I have like my three, I'm not going to be easy.
1:20:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
1:20:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
1:20:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm 79.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to push losers down as my pick, so I'm deciding between Mrs. to be burning and the unforgiving.
1:20:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we'll do the unforgiving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:20:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put that on the list because it's just a great, you know, another great example of this moral merciness that heekman, yeah, that he's thrilled for.
1:20:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
1:20:31
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think I am gonna go with the conversation.
1:20:36
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.
1:20:37
[SPEAKER_05]: Early from his 1974.
1:20:38
[SPEAKER_05]: It's one that I've been wanting to see.
1:20:40
[SPEAKER_05]: And when you read, when you go on the internet, and you search for hackman stuff, this movie just kept coming up and up and up and up.
1:20:51
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was, and we didn't talk about before.
1:20:54
[SPEAKER_05]: And I, I did watch a couple of those other movies, but I did not watch this one.
1:20:58
[SPEAKER_05]: And I kind of regret not watching it for that round.
1:21:01
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm most interested in, because it's supposed to be where his character, as an actor, he really breaks open with his character in some interesting ways, but Lisa, you just saw it recently.
1:21:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.
1:21:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, you know, he, he is.
1:21:19
[SPEAKER_00]: having a nervous breakdown almost.
1:21:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And so to have him really struggle what he fears he has caused.
1:21:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the interest in the recording that he got for a client, you know, he's facing pressure from all kinds of angles.
1:21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, okay, well, say no more,
1:21:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:21:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:21:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:21:47
[SPEAKER_03]: So we can thank the godfather part two for that.
1:21:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
1:21:51
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to put these into we use a platform called straw poll.
1:21:57
[SPEAKER_05]: So we'll get a list Peter OH has been helping us with.
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[SPEAKER_05]: doing our polls a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll see if he's available.
1:22:04
[SPEAKER_05]: If not, I'll put it together.
1:22:05
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll throw it up there.
1:22:07
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll leave the voting open for a couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then when we get a result, we will take that movie.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We will watch it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We will deep dive on it and report a podcast and then
1:22:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, anything else that you guys want to cover tonight or or say, I'm really looking forward to that.
1:22:30
[SPEAKER_05]: I think this will be a fun, I mean, it's a sad topic, but I think it's an angle that maybe not a lot of other film review podcasts are or taking.
1:22:42
[SPEAKER_05]: And I like this idea of,
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[SPEAKER_05]: you know, combing over people's filmographies, and then really thinking about of considering and discussing the body of work.
1:22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of, you know, lot is usually written about when a legacy like this passes away, but you're right, a lot of the, you know, the podcast that I listened to right early.
1:23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're not gonna devote a whole show.
1:23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: right out to this it will definitely be mentioned and the coast will share their you know memories of favorite film or whatever, but it's just incorporated into a full episode.
1:23:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd like be able to do what Laura Hounds do.
1:23:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
1:23:23
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a celebration that there certainly is a sad.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And a remembrance.
1:23:29
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
1:23:30
[SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, I think we'll wrap it up there again into the west at the lorehounds.com, join us on our Discord server if you want to chat in real time or, you know, give us feedback but definitely send in your comments, your remembrances, your suggestions if you want to at Lisa for not including a film on an essential list.
1:23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we'll be back in a couple, you know, whatever, two, two, three weeks with our review of whatever movie won the poll.
1:24:08
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1:26:24
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1:26:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you all very much, Lisa Brian.
1:26:31
[SPEAKER_05]: is a great first podcast out of the gates.
1:26:34
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's not the first podcast, but it's the first one under the name of the name of the name.
1:26:39
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've been doing it.
1:26:39
[SPEAKER_05]: So I look forward to taking the show and evolving it with you and as we go, but I think we've got a really good start.
1:26:47
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