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Emmy Award Winning Writer, Jamie Lee on Brad Pitt’s New Life & Runway Secrets · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald has got.
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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. We are
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  Speaker 2: gonna have such a great show. I have a return
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  Speaker 2: guest from many, many years back. We're trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out when the first time she came on. Writer, producer, actress, author,
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  Speaker 2: one-woman show, comedian, beautiful girl, second marriage. So that says
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  Speaker 2: a lot. Two people wanted to marry you. Welcome back,
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Lee.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so- When you came on years ago,
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  Speaker 2: you had a book coming out called.
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  Speaker 3: Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Ridiculous. That was all kind of like your funny stories
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  Speaker 2: of getting.
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  Speaker 3: Of wedding planning.
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  Speaker 2: Of wedding planning and all that. And then also I
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed you on Crashing.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Where you wrote and appeared on that show, which was very,
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  Speaker 2: a real perspective of the most realistic like standup life,
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  Speaker 2: standup comedy life that I've seen in a show.
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  Speaker 3: I think so too. I feel like we did a
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  Speaker 3: good job.
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  Speaker 2: But you've been killing it. Since you appeared on Juicy Scoop,
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  Speaker 2: your life really took off. Oh, yeah. Here you are
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  Speaker 2: from a couple years ago that you've won many Emmys
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  Speaker 2: for Ted Lasso.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Where you wrote, you're a writer on that and an
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  Speaker 2: executive producer.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm an executive producer. I started, I think, as
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  Speaker 3: a producer. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever the Guild credits are. That is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: But you were first just complimenting me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Complimenting me about my spray tan.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I said.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a spray tan.
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  Speaker 3: Which is shocking. Yeah. Because you have the most gorgeous,
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  Speaker 3: I have to say for the listeners, the most gorgeous
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  Speaker 3: even glow. That's the key. Your face matches your legs.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see that. Normally the face is a different color.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you. I have been promoting Jurgen Self
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  Speaker 2: Tanner for like 15 years. We have reached out. They
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  Speaker 2: have said she is not our demographic. We don't want
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  Speaker 2: to work with her.
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  Speaker 3: That's criminal.
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  Speaker 2: And Juergens, if that was someone that wrote back that
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  Speaker 2: wasn't you, I still love your product.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, look at her.
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  Speaker 2: I still love, like, even if you don't want me,
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  Speaker 2: I still, I won't, I won't be like that.
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  Speaker 3: You're being really generous and cool.
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  Speaker 2: But if Juergens wants to come around or if somebody
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  Speaker 2: else wants to go, Heather, give us a try. I
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  Speaker 2: will try someone else because I do get a lot
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  Speaker 2: of compliments on what's going on, how am I so tan, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I use sunscreen and then I use, you know, the stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Can we talk about the application? Are we adding it
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  Speaker 3: to lotion?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I will tell you the application.
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  Speaker 3: How are we getting it so streak free?
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  Speaker 2: Exfoliate.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: And then you put it on after your shower and
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  Speaker 2: it builds.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And then like after like five or seven days, exfoliate again,
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  Speaker 2: start over. And there never is that streaking. I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Are you putting it on your face?
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  Speaker 2: I do put it on my face once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: Like every few days, I'll put just a little bit
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  Speaker 2: on my face. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: And I love that you're pro exfoliation because I feel
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  Speaker 3: like when I get a spray tan, they're like, don't
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  Speaker 3: exfoliate or it'll go away. And then I'm like, but
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  Speaker 3: I want to exfoliate, which is why I don't get
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  Speaker 3: spray tans because I don't like to not like. scrubbing
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  Speaker 3: off my dead skin cells is like one of my
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  Speaker 3: greatest pleasures in life.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you wanted to build a little weight,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a few showers in between, don't do it
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  Speaker 2: every shower. Sure, sure, sure. But then, yeah, then start over.
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  Speaker 3: Then you can start over, which I like.
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  Speaker 2: And it's still like in your skin, like you're still
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  Speaker 2: not like white as can be.
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  Speaker 3: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for nothing, Juergens. Anyway, you've won Emmys for
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  Speaker 2: being an executive producer and writer on Ted Lasso. So
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  Speaker 2: you've And you've got so much going on. I want
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  Speaker 2: to get into so many things. But then, really, we're
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  Speaker 2: here to talk about a juicy crime story that is
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  Speaker 2: so up my alley. You have a one-woman show that
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  Speaker 2: people can go see. The tour is beginning. My Friend Katie,
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  Speaker 2: about a friend of yours in college who mysteriously died.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that first.
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 2: And then let's get back into all the other things
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  Speaker 2: you've done in your career, which I think will be
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  Speaker 2: very juicy. Then we'll get into the Hollywood hot topics.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to hear about this and how you
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  Speaker 2: came about to pursue this.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So my best friend, Katie, she suddenly and mysteriously passed
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  Speaker 3: away when I was in college.
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  Speaker 2: Was she in college with you?
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  Speaker 3: She was two years younger than me, so she was
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  Speaker 3: still in high school.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Um, or maybe, yeah, yeah, towards the end of high
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  Speaker 3: school for her. And, um, yeah, it was just completely, uh,
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  Speaker 3: a surprise, a shock, completely confounding.
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  Speaker 2: What did they say it was?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that was the thing is that they never really said.
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  Speaker 3: And there was one thing in her, um, not eulogy,
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  Speaker 3: what's the word?
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  Speaker 2: Obituary.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Obituary. I call it the obitch in the show.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, there was a thing in her obituary that
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  Speaker 3: said she struggled with nephrotic syndrome. What is that? So
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  Speaker 3: that is an issue where proteins leak from your kidneys,
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  Speaker 3: I believe. I think that is the definition. But more importantly,
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  Speaker 3: I found out that you don't die from nephrotic syndrome
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  Speaker 3: and also Katie never mentioned having any kidney issues of
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  Speaker 3: any kind. So it was always this red flag, definitely
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  Speaker 3: sent off alarm bells. But I was in college, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was like going out and like partying with my friends.
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  Speaker 3: So I kind of wasn't processing what had happened. I
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  Speaker 3: was just kind of like pushing it deep down.
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  Speaker 2: Did you attend the funeral? Did you go home?
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  Speaker 3: I ended up saying at the funeral, like in front
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  Speaker 3: of everybody, this is so fucked up that we're here
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  Speaker 3: right now. I was so angry. And yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: definitely like not my proudest moment, but I didn't really
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  Speaker 3: know what to say because I was in such shock.
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  Speaker 3: And then I really kind of just pushed it down
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  Speaker 3: and tried to like chug along in life. And then
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  Speaker 3: when my dad died in 2021, I had this sort
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  Speaker 3: of reckoning where I was like, wait, I know how
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  Speaker 3: my dad died of a heart attack. But the last
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  Speaker 3: person I lost who was close to me, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how she died. So it kind of sent me
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  Speaker 3: into the spiral where I was like, I need to
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  Speaker 3: get to the bottom of this because I am not
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  Speaker 3: healed from what happened to Katie. And so I took
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  Speaker 3: it upon myself to launch an amateur investigation and into
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  Speaker 3: what happened to her. And I was interviewing people and
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  Speaker 3: cold calling and it was a true journey. I just
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  Speaker 3: kind of stumbled into it. I never was like, this
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  Speaker 3: is going to be a show, you know. But then
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  Speaker 3: the nature of it is that I'm a comedian and
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  Speaker 3: I'm a writer. So I kind of was like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: like this is actually like a really big sort of
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  Speaker 3: like narrative in my life right now. And so it
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  Speaker 3: started to take shape as sort of like a documentary
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  Speaker 3: project mixed with stand up. And now it's like a
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  Speaker 3: proper stage show where I do throw to some of those, um,
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  Speaker 3: pieces of interview during the show.
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  Speaker 2: So you see, Oh, so there's like a visual.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have visuals in the show, but I have
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  Speaker 3: audio of like, and I spoke to this person and
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  Speaker 3: then I throw to the clip. Cause if I was
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  Speaker 3: thought about doing the, probably if, if, and when it
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  Speaker 3: releases as a special, there will be visual doc footage
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  Speaker 3: cut in. But for the stage show, I kind of
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  Speaker 3: felt like, going from video to me on stage was
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  Speaker 3: like a little distracting. So I just minimized it with
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  Speaker 3: the audio.
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  Speaker 2: When you started to go down the journey, were you like,
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  Speaker 2: because you're a successful person in this business, were you
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  Speaker 2: thinking like, do I get some camera people to follow
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  Speaker 2: me around? Do I start to do.
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  Speaker 3: My own mini doc? Yeah, immediately I knew it's the
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  Speaker 3: first thing I've ever worked on where I really did
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  Speaker 3: not know what the outcome was. I just felt super
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  Speaker 3: compelled to do it. So I found this guy, Alex Hammer.
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  Speaker 3: He's a brilliant director, filmmaker, and he had made Amy
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  Speaker 3: Schumer's three-part documentary series for HBO called Expecting Amy. I
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  Speaker 3: saw Expecting Amy. I'm loving it. And I go, who
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  Speaker 3: made this with her? And it was Alex Hammer. Find
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  Speaker 3: out we're repped by the same agency. I talked to
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  Speaker 3: my agents. I go, I want to get this guy involved.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he would want to come on board,
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  Speaker 3: but I think I have this nugget of an idea.
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  Speaker 3: And he was in From Jump. He was like, I'm here. Like,
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  Speaker 3: let's do this. So then I had him to turn to.
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  Speaker 3: And if he couldn't be there to film me, because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of this was in Texas and he was
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  Speaker 3: in New York, he would like send someone out that
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  Speaker 3: he knew to come film with me. And we just
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  Speaker 3: collected so much footage. We had no, we weren't editing
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  Speaker 3: anything at that point. It was just like footage, footage, footage,
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  Speaker 3: chasing leads. I mean, like I was fully, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and then of course the show is a comedy, like
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  Speaker 3: because I'm not an FBI agent, I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: the hell I'm doing.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, so you're doing the stage show, which
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  Speaker 2: we don't want to give it away. We want people
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  Speaker 2: to go.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, please come see it.
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  Speaker 2: But then if this works out, then the footage that
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  Speaker 2: you have and everything could be. made into... Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's going to be mixed.
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  Speaker 3: So it'll probably throw... It'll be like stage... Like stand-up special.
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  Speaker 3: I want it to sort of be like an hour
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  Speaker 3: and a half long.
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  Speaker 2: Like kind of a.
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  Speaker 3: I'm calling it like a stand-up movie, essentially. Where we
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  Speaker 3: use what we found in the field to support the...
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  Speaker 3: narrative I'm telling on stage.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's so interesting because it's like, I do
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  Speaker 2: feel like there's always those times, you know, like back
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  Speaker 2: in the day, like the old movies, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: would be like, they go to the library and they're,
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  Speaker 2: they're doing the thing. All of a sudden they see
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  Speaker 2: the microfiche and all of a sudden they were like, what?
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  Speaker 2: Her whole family burned in a fire.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: You know, like, and you're always, sometimes you're like doing
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  Speaker 2: that and you're like, why isn't a camera following me?
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm discovering something like weird. And in this world
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  Speaker 2: of the last 10 years, thanks to streaming services, we're
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  Speaker 2: able to see all these documentaries. I always said like,
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  Speaker 2: when I'd be like watching the Oscars as a kid,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be like, where do I see a short? Where
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  Speaker 2: do I see a documentary?
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Where did anybody see these?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Now we all see them. And now I'm like, this
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  Speaker 2: didn't need to be three episodes, okay? Stop milking this out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to see this drone shot again. I
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  Speaker 2: always was joking that it was always like the bear
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  Speaker 2: seat and then the person comes in.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, God, the bear seat.
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  Speaker 2: So are we doing this now?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Checking their mic. Yeah, okay, we're stopping.
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  Speaker 2: Stop it right. So I started watching this one yesterday
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  Speaker 2: that's on HBO Max called Benjamin Kyle. And it's about
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  Speaker 2: this guy. Who was found behind and naked. He was
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  Speaker 2: like naked and they said beat up behind like a
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  Speaker 2: Burger King place or something. And he has no memory,
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  Speaker 2: complete no memory of anybody from the last 20 years.
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  Speaker 2: And so this young kid starts documenting it. Then this
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  Speaker 2: other woman gets involved. And it's like three parts. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I saw a couple TikToks on it where
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, right away, I'm like, okay, I already kind
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  Speaker 2: of know the ending. So let me just stop because
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  Speaker 2: I want to enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, I think I will probably like
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  Speaker 2: this fast forward, get to it. But then I'm like
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  Speaker 2: reading the comments and people are like, I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: it ended that way. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like but I but what's interesting is that
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  Speaker 2: these things go on for like 10 years. And I
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  Speaker 2: was always wondering, like, who is funding the 10 year
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  Speaker 2: long documentary? No, but I'm really asking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you know the answer? Not not quite, to
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  Speaker 3: be honest, because Alex really took this on, took on
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  Speaker 3: my documentary sort of just being like, well, if we
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  Speaker 3: make money on the back end, great.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I guess that's a lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: Or you make money off the last one, almost like
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  Speaker 2: flipping a house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You got to take the money from the.
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  Speaker 3: Last one to like fix this one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, also with us, I think Alex got really
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  Speaker 3: invested just in the story and. We really were not
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  Speaker 3: sure like where it was going to go. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of like this weird meta thing where I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I've always been a fan of true crime.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm kind of like I had a joke where
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  Speaker 3: I was like, as a white woman, you just get
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  Speaker 3: to be in one. Like, I just like I'm just
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  Speaker 3: suddenly in one. And then a lot of the show
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  Speaker 3: is talking about like the genre of true crime and
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  Speaker 3: like what it feels. feels like and like how it's exploitive,
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  Speaker 3: but also it can also help a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, I always, I think that the joke
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  Speaker 2: of white women being so obsessed with it as I
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  Speaker 2: have been, hence why I have the show Juicy Crimes
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  Speaker 2: and I always talk about what's juicy is that I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, like the minute, the time I really like would,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I always was into it, but I think
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  Speaker 2: the reason women are into it, cause it's like, the
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  Speaker 2: stories of like, this could have, this could happen to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, my cute husband could turn out to
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  Speaker 2: be a family annihilator or cheating, or I could be
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  Speaker 2: the one that could go off cheating with some guy
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  Speaker 2: who's a weirdo. And then he kills my husband. And
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  Speaker 2: now I'm on trial for it. And I really didn't
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  Speaker 2: know whatever the case, like it's those kinds of things
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  Speaker 2: where you're like, we you know we can be victims
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  Speaker 2: of this like.
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  Speaker 6: Yes so i think that's why we're so tangible yeah
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  Speaker 6: fascinating and also just our ability to like find things
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  Speaker 6: whether you're looking up a boyfriend or whatever we just
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  Speaker 6: have a desire to do that where guys are like
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  Speaker 6: oh okay i guess i guess we'll never know always
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  Speaker 6: digging yeah like i guess we're like little gophers.
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  Speaker 3: In the dirt just like scratching away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah Well, this is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That this is happening in June.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's June. I can say the dates. I'm performing
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  Speaker 3: it June 4th in Philadelphia, June 11th in Washington, D.C.,
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  Speaker 3: June 13th in Boston, 16th in New York at Joe's Pub,
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  Speaker 3: which is the lovely flyer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then the 25th in Los Angeles at Dynasty Typewriter.
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  Speaker 3: Those are our June dates.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome. June 25th.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, come.
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  Speaker 5: In L.A., yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You have to come. Yeah, I would love to come.
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• 15:41
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• 15:53
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• 16:28
  Speaker 2: So, okay. So now let's get into some other things. Okay.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: So the, when I met you, it was leading towards
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: this big wedding.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Now what happened to the husband?
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: What happened to the marriage?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I wrote a book about my wedding planning process called Ridiculous,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: which was then turned into a show for Netflix called
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: The Wedding Coach.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: And what was that like?
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: That was so fun. I was basically like going in.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: It was sort of like Queer Eye, but for weddings,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: I was like going in and helping people who were
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: struggling during their wedding. And not just with like little
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: stuff like the cake or what. It was more like, oh,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: this person's like not getting along with their mother-in-law. Like
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: someone needs to intervene and.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Stuff like that. In any of those cases, which was
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: cast and stuff, but real people.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, real people.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Were you like, these people should not get married? Not really.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: There was one couple that didn't. And I did feel
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: like that was for the best. Yeah. Yeah. Like it
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: actually ended up being it ended up being kind of
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: like a relief because I felt like not that I
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: was like, don't they shouldn't get married. It was more
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: just like, I don't know. I think they're good as
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: a couple, but I don't know if they're ready for
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: like that next.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And so what happened with you? Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: And then we we separated during the pandemic and. And
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I was living in L.A. and I kind of fled
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: to New York on my own. This was when like
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: you couldn't hang out with anybody. It was freezing cold.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: This was like in November. And so I was kind
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: of just like in New York, kind of just chilling.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: And I did not think like I'm ever going to
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: like get married again or anything. But I ended up
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: basically going on one date.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: While you were separated.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And that is now my husband.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: But did you think while you're separated that there was
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: a chance you'd get back together or you got separated
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: and you're like, weirdly, I don't miss this person.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I thought there was a small chance, but I kind
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: of knew I just needed to like I the cycle
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: that we were in of fighting, but sticking it out, fighting,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: sticking it out. I was like, there is part of
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: me that misses him. It wasn't like as simple as
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: just like, bye. Like I definitely was like, you know,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: he was like my family, especially during the pandemic, we're
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: spending every second together. So yeah, I think it was
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: like a big adjustment just to like my lifestyle, like
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: just being alone in a space was strange. And then, yeah,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: but then I met this guy and in no world
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: did I ever think that he would be my boyfriend,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: let alone like even we'd go on more than one date.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Like I had the lowest expectations. Also, I was a
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: freak on our first date. I felt so weird. I
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: felt so guilty. I was like, I shouldn't be doing this. And, um, yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: And then we kind of just kept seeing each other.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, I don't really want to
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: date anyone else. And then we ended up getting married.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: So then how did you tell?
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: We got married just for the listeners. We got married
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Much later. It wasn't like I just stepped into another
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: marriage right away.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: So how did you tell your husband that you're separated
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: from like, actually, I want to file and I hope
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: this can be, you know, okay.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, well, there was one conversation where he was,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I remember being like, I'm not coming back to LA.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I'm going to stay in New York for a while.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: And that ended with him hanging up on me. And
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: then we had another conversation. I remember this all I
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: was like standing on a street corner in Soho I
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: remember where I was talking to him about this but
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I was like aren't you so much happier like I
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: remember saying that I was like I feel I feel
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: good I definitely like miss aspects of us but like
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: don't you feel better like doesn't it feel like a
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: little bit of like toxicity has been taken away. And
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: he did not disagree. And I was like, okay, that
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: feels like a good first step into us realizing that
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: maybe this should not continue.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: So how many years from actually getting married to separating
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: We were together for 10 years and we were married
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: for four.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a long time.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were together a long time. Like all of
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: my 30s.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So like 10 total or 14?
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, 10 total. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, and then, yeah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's also interesting too, when someone, when you've
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: been together for like, you know, five, six years and
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: you're at that age and it's just the next step,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you dated for two, you lived for two, everybody's getting married.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, are we going to do it? And he's like,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: let me just find the ring. And then, and then
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, and then you, then it's all over with.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And you're kind of like, Hmm. Sometimes I, that's why
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes like if a guy or girl meets
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: somebody that you want to meet, like you need to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: like lock it down quick. I don't know. It seems
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: like something like happens in the long thing. It's just
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: like loses its luster.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's better. Listen, you know what? It is what
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: it is. If marriage is something you want or a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: kid or whatever, whatever works for you. There's no formula
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that works. Every couple is different. Totally.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: But I do feel like I knew I wanted. Well,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I wasn't 100 percent sure that I wanted kids, but
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I knew if I want kids, I don't think that
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: my ex and I are going to have kids together.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: So I think I also felt a pressure to Go
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: at that point, because I was like, fertility is playing
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a part in this. And like, I, I have to like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: make a choice at some point. Like, am I staying
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: in this or am I?
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: You don't want to have a child with someone and
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: then then have to do that.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Do all that. Let's thank God for that. And with
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: your new husband, is he in the business?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: He's not. No, he's in cybersecurity.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's good.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Comes from an intelligence background.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Speaks Arabic, lived in Saudi Arabia for a couple of years.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Really like very, very different line of work.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: And then you guys are trying.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So we froze embryo. Well, it's really interesting because
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: when you meet someone in your late 30s and you
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: maybe even slightly want children. I was like, we got
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: to get on this.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: So pretty soon into us being together, I was like, yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: like we're not using condom. I was like, I mean,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: let's just take our shot here. Then I didn't get pregnant. Okay.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: And then we launched into just like years of insane
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: IVF and Finally froze some embryos, but not too many.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: So we did another round. And then now we've gotten
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: to the stage where we have a surrogate. We actually
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: just closed legal on that yesterday. And now it's in
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: the zone where like whenever her cycle syncs up, we're
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: going to do an embryo transfer. But it was such
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: a long road to get here because we had several
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: surrogates fall through for various reasons. And I never knew
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: how hard it was to find a surrogate. Maybe other
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: people haven't had this experience, but for me, really like.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Hard through the agency or wanting one that you feel
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: comfortable with?
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: It was both. Well, first we were with like an
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: agency that I definitely did not trust, even though they
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: had someone for us. I was like, various reasons. I
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't think we should be giving these
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: people our money. And so we backed out of that
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: on our own. And then with the new agency who
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I love, they had paired us with someone, um, And unfortunately, medically,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: she was not viable. Now it took like seven months
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: to learn that because everything was tracking in the right direction.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: And then at the last minute- So she had never
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: done it before? Never done it before, which is also
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: why it took so long because she had to make
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: her contract from scratch. Whereas now our surrogate has been
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: a surrogate before. So all of her legal was pretty
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: much locked down. She's been through this. She knows what
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: her terms are. And so it was just so much
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: faster and yeah, I feel so grateful that we found
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: her because quite frankly, like we kind of got her
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: off market. Meaning, I mean, because what happens is they're
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: so in high demand and they, whatever, they're with the agency,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: they meet all these couples, they pick their favorite. In
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: this case, she was only introduced to us because our agent,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I think, was feeling a certain way about the fact
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: that the other girl, it didn't work out. I think
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: they felt I mean, did.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: You feel like every Lifetime movie that you've ever seen, like,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: running through your head?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, 100%. 100%. Also, I never identified with, like, all
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the materials on Instagram and stuff that I do find
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: helpful and to a degree they feel like community, but
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I never identified as, like, part of the infertility community. Like...
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: that label is not, I wasn't like on message boards
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: and like really talking to a lot of people. I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: on like one WhatsApp group.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: It's very helpful.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Um, but I wasn't like really immersed in like the
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: identity of that. And so, um, I think purely out
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: of denial. I mean, I was like, I'm not like that.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Even though looking back, I'm like, yeah, you were, you
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: were like, like you were like, you were so much
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: more like sad and in it than you ever allowed
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: yourself to think you were. Cause I was just like, oh,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I'm just keep going, you know, like whatever. I won
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: an Emmy.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, we're fine. We're fine.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: And it's like, this was kind of simmering underneath all
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: of it. This like struggle to have a kid.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I wish you all the luck in the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: world and happy motherhood. Okay. I wanted to, do you
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: know that the 2026 Sports Illustrated swim show happened.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Yes okay i learned this from you i don't.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Know it was all over my instagram maybe because the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: people i follow and so they had a they're having
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a fashion show of all these celebrities in the bikinis
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: for sports illustrated but they they didn't allow them to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: wear shoes wait why I think just to be more
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: like natural, like if you were about to jump in
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the pool, you wouldn't have a pair of heels on.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, why? Why not? Like everyone's body, everybody
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: would have had a better walk if they had a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: pair of heels on. Like some of the people, because
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: they're not models. So like the walks were kind of
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: strange for some of them. They all looked great. It
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: was a variety of bodies and accomplishments and everything like that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But now this is going to be on Hulu.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, it is?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, is it coming out soon?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, June 9th. I'm not watching.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's coming out soon.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like I saw the whole thing on Instagram.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Wait, I want to know, though, like, what are they?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: They're just modeling bikinis?
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's from like Lizzo to like Bethany Frankel. Yeah, yeah. And,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: you know, everyone's cheering because.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: It's more like a celebration.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I guess like, wow, you got out there at a beach.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But there's something I don't know. Like, it's like. There's
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: something weird about it, too. Like, I'm not saying if
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: my agent said, do you want to do this next year?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, yes. I'd probably have the most stressful
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: year of my life. Working out, getting skin tightening, doing
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: whatever it took and still turning around and knowing that
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the comments would be awful.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I mean, being a woman is a prison.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Would I say? I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: wouldn't say yet. Like maybe I'm like the bodies were
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: very good. Like, you know, like I said, like, you know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and then of course there's Alex Earl who really is 22.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And super thin with some nice new tits.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And like, yeah, that was the best body.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: So wait, I'm just still trying to understand what is filling,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: is it a documentary about the show? No, no. It's
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: just the runway is coming out? Yes. So it's what,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: like 10 minutes long? Like how long could that be?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Then they had like a, you know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: they had like Dancing with the Stars people dance and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: they had like some guys sing. It was kind of
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: like a Victoria's Secret thing. Fashion show when they used
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to have those, which I never watched those either.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: But then I feel like they did some like behind
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: the scenes stuff too.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: A little bit with Victoria's Secret. But I never watched
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: those either.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I just don't care. There's a nail salon. Have you
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: ever gone to Butter Nails? No. Oh, it's on Sunset.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Do they play it? No, they play fashion shows. No,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: like actual fashion shows from all different designers. It's the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: only thing on their TV. And from all different eras.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: And it's like, I mean, it truly, I like zone out.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: It's so fun to watch.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. But then with this, I'm like, well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: if it's not about the clothes, then I'm kind of
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: not that. I kind of just like want to see clothes.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: No disrespect to bikinis. It was just kind of weird.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I like fashion. Because the bathing suits are so incredibly skimpy.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Like nobody's wearing a sarong. No one has like a.
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: So it's just like you're really seeing everyone's body. And
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: like the lighting was good.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Sure, sure.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: And the makeup was good on their bodies. And all
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: the bodies were good. It just kind of was like,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm the only one feeling this way.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: No, you're definitely not.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It was just kind of strange. And then not having heels,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: then people were like, why is she walking with her
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: stomach forward? And it's like, well, it's weird to walk.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: First of all, you're not a professional model and now
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you can't wear heels.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I think it's tough because Sports Illustrated is like always
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: a magazine that like, the swimsuit issue that was like
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: that was the only.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Time that was the only time i would look at
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: it my dad got the magazine yes and only when
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the june thing came and i'd come out and i'd
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: really look at it and i'd really look what bathing
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: suit is this i would like to me as a
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: little girl i'd like to buy even though the girl
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: like only had the bottoms on me holding her tits
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: but i was just like oh I just like love
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: looking at this you know and then now it's nowadays
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: what it is because it's a different world and the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: only people that are going to sell the magazines are
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the ones that have the most you know, influence. Like,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: so I get it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: So for them, it's just like a publicity stunt.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Totally.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And I just think like, who can we get that like,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: you know, is a big thing. But I just was like, God,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: this is just like weird.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: It's always weird when like this thing that, um, so
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: historically celebrated, like, like sexualizing women. Um, and I'm not
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: saying it's not empowering and all the things I'm taking
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: into account all the angles. But it is interesting when
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: that's sort of spun into this like feminist, like, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: it's just, it's like, oh, you're the same person who
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: also like posed women in this very alluring way that
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: like men would jerk off to. Like, I'm not trying
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to be crass, but like, so I think there's a
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: little bit of a cognitive dissonance around that. It would
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: be different if it was like, I don't know, like some,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: like female owned business that had a website and they
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: were sponsoring this event or something. You'd be like, Oh,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: interesting that tracks. But I think when it's sports illustrated,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: there's always this feeling of like, they're clearly trying to
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: like reclaim something or like spin it in a way that,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: speaks to, like, the modern audience. And it's just tough.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I just think in the end, like, as a woman,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you just can't fucking win.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Because before, if you were in a Miss America contest,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it's like, you're an idiot. Even though it was for
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: scholarships and stuff, and for some women, that might be
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the only way they could have gone to college.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: But you're wearing a, you know, a bathing suit, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: you're going to be judged on it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Then it was like, okay, now.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Now, we don't want any good bodies on the runway.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Now we want people that are not thin at all,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and we're just going to celebrate that. Then they're like, okay, well,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of those people now are thinner because there's
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: weight loss drugs and things that you can do. So
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: now they're like, how is skinny back in? And what
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: it is, but then we're like cheering these people on,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: but they're like basically naked. And then we're like mean
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: to the only fans people. And it's like, well, they're
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: naked too. Like why? Just because women just can't win.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We can't win.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Right. But also it's like, if you're, if your business
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: is to raise your profile, would you have turned it down? No,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: you have to do it because you'll gain something. a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: million more followers, which is what you need. So now
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: go wax your entire crotch.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And, you know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Walk barefoot.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Get some Juergen self-tanner.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to get that Juergen.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And practice your walk back and then have enough people
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: in the audience that are like, woo! And then like
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: high five the other person and act like your best
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: friends when you like don't even know what they do
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: for a living. Yeah. It was a lot. Before I
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: get into this, I just want to say I heard
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: a crazy rumor about Bethany Frankel's ex, Jason Hoppy, who
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: is the father of their daughter. I don't know this
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: is true because we all know so many things are
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: fake on the internet.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Sure, of course.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Grain of salt, grain of salt.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: But allegedly, he is either married to or has a
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: child or having a child with a woman who was
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the nanny for Sarah Jessica Parker. Now, if you watched
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: and just like that, Did you ever watch it just
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: like that?
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I really tried.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I tried.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Did you finish all of it?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I loved it. Oh, I love that you loved it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And I feel part of my credit. No, I loved
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: hating it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. You loved hating it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And I think I caused them to say, fuck you, Heather.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: We're taking it from you. And I'll never forgive myself.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Because I would not miss an episode.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Because I was so obsessed with, like, how bad it was.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God. It was so bad.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: But it brought me so much joy at the same time.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I'll never forgive myself for that. One of my
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: biggest regrets in life. Anyway, but in it, she's talking
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: to somebody, Sarah J. Parker is, and they say, are
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you going to go to the Hamptons? Are you going
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: to rent a Hamptons house? And she's like, no. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: then the other person goes, oh, because Bethany Frankel's there.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: And so then.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Then shortly after, Bethany went on Watch Robbins Live and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: she had like a very weird episode with Andy. And
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it seemed like, you know, and then after that is
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: when Bethany went after Bravo and was like, I'm going
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to do the reality reckoning and we're going to sue
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the NBC and Bravo. And these women are... And again...
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Much like the plight of a comedian who tries to
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: prove a case that somebody took their one joke. Nobody cares.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Nobody cares that a reality star might have gotten a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: little fucked over in the end. Nobody cares. It's not
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: like you were an orphan. It's not like you were trafficked.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Not in the real sense of traffic.
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: A little bit traffic. Yeah. But so anyway, that so
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: now people are like, wait a minute. Was that weird
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: joke written into the show because Sarah Jessica Parker does
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: really think she's a biatch?
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: It must.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Because her nanny who she keeps in touch with is
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: with Jason Hoppy.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: It must be. Because why would you throw shade in
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: a scripted show that you could edit jokes out of
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: or replace jokes. Like it's, you know what I mean?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: It went through so many layers of.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: As you know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, just as a TV writer, I'm like, yeah,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are so many opportunities to take a
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: joke out or replace it. And if it was still
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: filmed on the day, you could cut it in editing.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Like they left it in, you know what I mean? Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: So I would, I would think that.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: And I think that's also, now it's like, maybe that
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: is really what... Really got, like, Bethany and Andy. He's
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: best friends with her. Right. I forgot about that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: And now he will never say her name. He just
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: calls her the Margarita Lady.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: If he talks about anything on his radio show, he
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: will not say her name.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if her ex Jason Hoppy, if
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: he really had a child with this person. Because I
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: saw it on TikTok, and I don't know if it's true.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: But if it is, I think that is really juicy.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And I do think Jason Hoffey was a horrible person
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to be in a divorce with, but who knows?
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard an interview with her on, was it
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Call Her Daddy? Yeah. I don't know what I heard,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: but I remember, like, yeah, it sounded like that divorce
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: was beautiful, really beautiful.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: No, I thought it seemed like it was just hell.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: And then she started a whole podcast where she was
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: telling the whole story, and then she had to stop it. Oh, really?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: She said, oh, I don't know if she ever gave
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: her reason, but... You know, but, you know, it was
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: just like her just telling the whole awful story of it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: But which now would lead, because if you're the new
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: girlfriend wife, you're going to hear a whole different side
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: from your new boyfriend. And then you're still friends with,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you know, you were such a great nanny, even though
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: her kids are grown. You're kept in touch with your boss,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: who's Sarah Jessica Parker. And so she knows. They're pretty juicy.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: That is juicy.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And then also on Hulu is It's Not a Job,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: It's a Lifestyle, Million Dollar Nannies on June 17th.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: My God, I can't wait.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Immediately I was like, what really rich person is going
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: to have their kids all like have their nanny filming
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: a reality show?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: That's the only thing I don't understand is like, how
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: did this show come together?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's more about the nannies running the nanny company.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Like recruiting what kind of people.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Sure. Like keeping more about the agency.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Probably some like fake fights or something.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: And then just talking about these people like, well, you
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: know that they are flying their private jet into blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: But like maybe we, or maybe like two thirsty moms
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: are like, sure, you can film with me.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: This artwork is so confusing because it, They all are
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: where it's almost like Handmaid's Tale, like the way they're
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: all wearing these like weird.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: They're all wearing these pink outfits.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: And then they have the matching Bjorns.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Which are supposed to be like a Louis Vuitton, but
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: they didn't want to use the Louis Vuitton.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they couldn't use it. And they're kind of
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: like marching in unison. It's just like a very strange. Yeah,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: it begs a lot of questions. I want to watch
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: it because I just need to understand like what is
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: happening and where is it filmed? Like they're on an
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: island in this picture. I don't know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I always think that's true. Interesting too. And like when
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: a TikToker or a nanny or something, I mean as
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a chef or a nanny is like, all right, follow
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: me in the day of life of being a private
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: chef for a rich ass family in Hamptons. And then
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: they're like, you know, they're cutting the chops, topping this
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: and then like doing, and I'm like, if I was
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a person paying this guy, like whatever enormous amount of money,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And I go to, like, Doomstroll, and I'm like... I know.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Not Doomstroll. Doomscroll. Doomscroll, yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And then I'm like, that kitchen looks like mine.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. The layers of permission to do.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Like, why would you... Like, I'd be like, no.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not. And also, like, are the kids in it?
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Like, that also feels weird.
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Somebody's.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Kid is just like... having their life filmed.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Or if the kid is having like a full breakdown now, that's,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: all the.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Kids life forever yeah exactly exactly yeah there's a lot
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: of i have a lot of questions i i'm yeah
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: i want to like start watching some have you seen
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: any press for it no i haven't either i'm.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: No but it's the same a producer that does the
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: mormon wives okay Really curious. I'm speaking of like awful girls.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: So Mackenzie. Sharilla.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Who is the girl from crash.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Um, you know, it's all people hate her so much,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: but she's getting all this publicity. She has girlfriend, she
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: has hickeys, she has boyfriends. I don't know what. Okay. Um,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: there's more, so much more stuff that was not in
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the documentary.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: That, really makes the parents look even worse the dad
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: has lost his job or has been put on leave
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: from his teaching at like a catholic high school i
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: think because he admits to like smoking weed all the
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: time i don't know why they did that but and
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: but with her um today they're this the sister of
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the boyfriend that died she is trying to pass some
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: law called um dom's law for dominic that she couldn't
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: make money off any social media. Because right now there's
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the law that if you were convicted of any kind
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of murder, you can't make money off of a book
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: or a movie. Right. But they never thought about, like,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you know, money off of... I don't know how she'd
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: make money off of social media while she's in prison.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: But I guess they all have iPads and they all
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: kind of have, like, TikToks and podcasts. And I'm like,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: is this... I'm like, what is going on in the prisons? Like,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: how do they all, how can they like be emailing people?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: And she's like talking on the phone with her mom, like, oh,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I'm emailing this person and that person. I guess you
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: just can, like, wasn't there a time where like a
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: letter would come and the wardens would read it before they.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Give it to you?
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I don't, yeah. Yeah. I don't understand.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: It was like, and also like, yeah, it was like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, at least the way it was portrayed in movies,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: it was always like, you got a letter.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I got a letter. Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it was like a big deal. Like any
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: kind of correspondence was a huge deal and a huge privilege.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: And I saw that they also have iPads and they
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: can watch porn and stuff on it. Really? Yes.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: That's not regular. They don't have like, that's so interesting.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Whoa and I'm like I'm sorry if you could have
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: an iPad and then someone could buy you like a
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Netflix subscription just like they could give you money for
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: like ramen.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Right then you're like I know you still are in.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: A comfortable bed and I know you're still I know
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: you're still hearing like crazy people scream but I'm like
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I mean you're watching you can watch tv.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: All day yeah yeah again like I feel like the
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: things I know about prison are from tv and movies
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: but like yeah it was like That image in like
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Orange is the New Black where like there's a I
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: think there was like a TV in the common room
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: and everyone gathers around and there was like a fight
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: about what they were going to watch.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Because it's one television and it's like, oh, if you.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Have your own. I mean, I'm sure every there's prisons
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that are different in this and that. But like it's
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: very strange. But yeah, we'll see. OK, Love Island. A
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: show that I don't really watch.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I've never seen a single episode.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: But this is all over. It's the Love Island USA.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: They have all these different countries.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, of course.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: And her name's Vasana Montgomery has been removed from the
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: villa after allegedly using the N-word.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: Oh, boy.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: So you're like, how did they not know? So it's
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: in her past. She didn't say it on the show.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: And what happened was she did some podcast- As everyone does.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: And I guess she said it and it rolled off
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the tongue. That had never aired. So that's why when
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: they did the research to make sure that someone hadn't
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: said it, they didn't find anything where she's singing along
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: with her friends. So whoever the person was doing it,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I guess cut it and saved it. Saved it for
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: a rainy day. And then saw that she was going
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: to be on a show and then released it. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: it's just like, I don't know. I'm not saying that
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't be, but like, my God, like it's just every, like,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: it's just such a weird story that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: So now she's, she's donezo.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: She's donezo and everyone knows that she said it. I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: don't know if we have access to the video, but
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that's what they said, that there is a video of
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: her doing a podcast. And, but I mean, like, When we,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I wrote White Chicks with the Wayans Brothers and- You did?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Whoa, I didn't know that. And so when that scene
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: where they're driving to go shopping and they're with Sean
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: and Marlon as the girls and they're driving and they're
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: like listening to some song and then the Sean and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Marlon characters say the N word, they're like, my God,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: what are you doing? We can't say it. And then
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, you can. If no one's listening, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: if no one's around and then like the scene is
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: them singing a song and then saying it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, God, in this day and age, I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if one of those actresses, then somehow
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: this comes back to fucking haunt that. Like it is
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: just kind of like, that's totally two different things, but
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know how she said it. I don't know
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: if she was telling a story. And in telling the story,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: she retold something that happened. Like, I don't know. But
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, yeah. And then if you're going to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: be a brat or something as a little kid at 15, well,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: then somebody would be like, You know, I don't think
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: they should be allowed on the varsity football team because
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: on this reality show, they push their sister into a
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: wall or something. Like, you know, just every camera's, like,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: on everything all the time.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I also wonder, though, if, like... Yeah, I mean, I
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: also wonder, like, if they were noticing signs of her
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: being problematic on the show as well and maybe it
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: was a perfect storm where they were like, well, this footage.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe they had it in their back pocket.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering if something else happened and this was like
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the final piece that they needed. If something else were
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: going on. I don't know. I don't watch the show.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: So I'm not sure.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I don't watch the show either. What I understand is
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: just a lot of hot bodies and tiny bathing suits
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and just, you know, grinding, having sex with whatever.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like people love the Love Island UK is
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: the one that everyone's like. It's it's a life changer.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Like you have to see it. Yeah. I need to
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: watch it. Did you watch that one?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: No, I just kind of feel like, because they're, like,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: so young. I don't know if I'm, like, into people
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: that young.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I know. I know what you mean.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Like, and, but, I mean, maybe it's entertaining. Okay, Brad
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Pitt is all smiles on a date night with Ines
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: de Ramon after being snubbed by his son Maddox. Okay,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: so the divorce... I think finally happened. I think they
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: finally figured out the money about the rosé. Oh, it
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: took that long? Oh, my God. It's been going on
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: for so long.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know it was still going on.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You know, they owned that rosé.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, I knew that. I did not know that they
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: hadn't officially divorced.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: You know what? I don't know if I'm totally right
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you might be right.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: But as we know, there was allegedly the horrible fight
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: that happened on the private plane.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, I remember that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Since all of that, he has said he has a
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: drinking problem. He's supposedly sober. But now all the kids,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I think maybe one of the younger twin boys may
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: have not changed his name yet. But every other kid
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: in the family no longer has Pitt. It's just Jolie.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Because their last names were all Jolie Pitt. And now
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: it's all Jolie. The daughter, Sahara, graduated. And now she.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Let me think. She, I think they adopted together.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's what I remember.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I thought. I know Maddox, she adopted by herself.
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: And then I want to say Pax and Sahara, they
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: adopted together.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I think that's right.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Then they had Shiloh.
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Then they had the twins together.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Oh, right.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: It was Shiloh. Oh, Shiloh isn't one of the twins. No.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Shiloh's like.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Shiloh. Okay.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And now the twins are 18. Oh, wow. It's
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: been that long? And they said like Vivian now is
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Jolie as well.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Vivian Jolie. Okay.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: And, you know, some people are like, oh, that's sad.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: But then I'm just like, I don't know, Brad. I mean,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: you're cute, but you fucking cheated on Jennifer Aniston. And remember, like,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I remember it so well. So they were a couple
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: and then he got Mr. and Mrs.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Smith. Yeah, that's right. That's where they met, right? Or
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: that's where they started spending time together.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: And then she was like, oh, like, Talked to Angelina.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: My husband's so excited to work with you. She was
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: like totally confident. Not nervous at all. Very confident in
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: their marriage. And then. Terrible. And now I'm going to
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: tell you a rumor I heard a long time ago.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: So long ago. I don't even care.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I'm clutching. Because it's so visceral.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I knew somebody who knew Courtney Cox.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: And back then I was told. So this is a rumor.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I already gasped.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: A couple times removed.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I gasped before I even had anything to gasp at.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: That, this is a long time ago. Okay. That, like, literally,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: she would call the house, Angelina, and it was like,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: and she's like, what do you think of her? And
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: she said, predator, was the word that she called her.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Courtney did. Oh, my God. This is the rumor that
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: was told to me.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Rumor, rumor, old rumor.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Someone could have made it up. I'm just telling you
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: what I heard, what I always remembered.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: Sure, sure.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: So, and then, even though they started to have this, like,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: thing going on, they had one last time that the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: paparazzi got, they all went to Cabo or something. And they're, like,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: holding hands, she and Brad. Then they officially leave. And
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: then they do this big photo shoot. Where they're dressed
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: kind of like 1960s housewife Palm Springs.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't remember that.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: And his hair is short, and it's her, and it
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: was like for Vogue or something.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Okay. Oh, wait, I kind of do remember that.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: And Angelina, and they have like three or four little
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Brad Pitt-looking boys. Like, and this big family, and they're
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: like in a pool or in something. And everyone, people knew, like,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: she was trying to have a kid prior to that
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: And that's when she goes, I think he has a
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: sensitivity chip missing.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: And also she said, at least I don't have to
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: sit in an uncomfortable chair that he thinks he's a
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: designer of. Because he also thought he was like an
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: architect or something. He thought he knew. And then I
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: remember he like got her some ring and he designed it.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: And I thought it was so ugly.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you have maybe the most beautiful ring I've
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: ever seen.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: So it was like it was a diamond inside, like
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: instead of being pronged up, which I like a prong.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a prong.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: It was like inside.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: OK, OK.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: And looked very masculine.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: OK, interesting.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, yeah, you don't have great taste.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like he is like part of that
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: crew like him and Leonardo DiCaprio. They all like are
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: big art collectors and like. Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Like cigars.
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: They love, but I can see like that kind of
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: feels like it's in that wheelhouse of being like, I
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: have impeccable taste. Yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, of course he got a nice
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: little man facelift.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He got a great facelift.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: And he's still adorable.
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: He looks good.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: But his insides are 61.
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: True.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: And of course now he's got this young girl and
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: He'll probably have two or three kids with her.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: It is feeling that way.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: And he'll start over because he can.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel that way.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: As a woman who could not get knocked up if
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I got out there again. Thank you, God. Thank you.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: It's like the one thing that I want to thank
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: the Lord for is that at a certain point, we
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: cannot get knocked up against our will at a certain age.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: But you're knocked up at 15.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: We can get knocked up at 40, whatever. But when
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: you're like over 50 and all your kids are grown
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: and they hate you, I mean, these old stars that
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: then get these young girls, that's why they have to
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: do those Randall Emmett movies.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Randall Emmett is this producer who was doing all, they
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: called them the geezer movies. He would do these movies
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: that they threw together in like two weeks, allegedly. That
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: would have, like, Bruce Willis in it.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Robert De Niro. Robert De Niro playing
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: a cop. I'm like, first of all, cops retire at 55. You're, like, 80. Right, right, right.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Why are you still a cop? Right.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Shut up.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I know that genre you're talking about.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: They have these families.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: And they think that it's going to be so fun
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: because this girl's all into them. But then... When she's
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: 40 with three kids that are elementary age, you're not
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: going to be the priority.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I also, wait, didn't that happen with Al Pacino too? Yes.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: They all have. They have these.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Like late in life babies.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Really late in life.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Their grandparent age.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Like great grandparent age.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Having a little baby.
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: So it's, yeah. So that's something I really.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, start all, just start all.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine being like, I could, I could have
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: a baby. Like. especially after like what I went through
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: trying to have a baby. I'm like, oh, these guys
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: like can just like whatever.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: They can just fucking jizz at 80 and it still works.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: That's crazy to me. That's crazy.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: But the flip side is what the fuck are you doing, idiot?
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Like you think.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: That's going to be great? It's almost like the girl
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: is like I want a baby and he's like, well,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I can still give you that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I can give you that. You can have a nanny, blah, blah, blah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: But like also, blech. And so, yeah, that is the
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: way it is. You know, go have some fun with that. Like, ugh.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: And you really think this chick is going to be, like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: into you?
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: I wonder what it's like to be the girlfriend and see, like,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: how his family has kind of, like, been ruptured over
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: time and, like, what her perspective is.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: The perspective is the perspective of every girlfriend. Angelina was
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: a nightmare. She turned the kids against him.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: He tried numerous times and the door is always open.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: We'd love them to come around, but you know what?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: She might not.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Cut to five years from now. They're in St. Bart's
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: with their nanny from the nanny show.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: And they're having all this fun. And then the Moody
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: twins show up and they're miserable. And he's like, These
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: are my kids. They finally want to come to St.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Bart's with us. And she's like, when is it going
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: to be my turn? When is it going to be
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: my turn, Brad? I've given you these two beautiful children.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: They're disrespectful to me. Right. Well, if you can't be
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: nice to my kids, then we're done. And then they
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: get divorced. And then he has another baby at 75
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: with someone else.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: It's so crazy. It's crazy that you could have like
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: three generations of babies.
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: If he wanted to. That's so crazy. He could have
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: so many families. He was like, yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: He just can keep having different families. That's so. Yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I saw this thing where they said this, this was
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: somebody's point of view, not mine that I saw like
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: on TikTok. So I can't give her credit, but she said,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: what's really interesting about when men and women is when
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: a man gets more successful, when he really hits it,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Not every man. Some go seek out a mistress, maybe
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: get divorced, have another wife, have a whole nother young family.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: But a woman is like, oh, F off. I will
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: just be by myself.
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: And enjoy my life.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't need you for shit. And goodbye. And like,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: they're not looking like, do you imagine if right now
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Cher is dating?
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: A young guy.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Amber Rose's Oh, I didn't know that.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: His name's AJ something.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: They have a kid together.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: They've been together like two or three years. He's 38.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: She's 78. Right. Now, wouldn't, now if God was really cruel,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: which he's not, that guy would have knocked up Cher.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: And now she's 78, having to push one out and
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: go to preschool things when she's 83.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: But that's the one thing. So she can keep this
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: young guy.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing to lose.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: There's a safety there for him.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure she's like, hey, you're a good time.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm sure Amber Rose is like, no problem.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Go to Auntie Cher. She'll give you some wisdom.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you rather have your ex hanging out with an old, like,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I would rather have my ex be like, you know
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: who Peter's dating?
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Martha Stewart. Great.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, I would love it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: She can cook for the kids.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: I would love it.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: She lives near country clubs.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Private jet. Like, please find someone super rich versus like
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: some dumb hoe that brings nothing to the table except
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: new tiny babies.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: It's true. Yeah, I know. I'm like, if my ex
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: got together with like a successful older woman, I would
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: just be like, That is so cool. And I really
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: root for you guys.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's like why like the, the, um,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Lauren Sanchez.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Benzo thing worked out with her ex who was like
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: the agent at William Morris, whatever.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Is because she married someone so extraordinarily rich.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Even though there was cheating going on, the four of
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: them were dining together and she was sneaking off to
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: his cabin or whatever. It all worked out because in
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: the end he's like with some hot Australian and it's like,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: If you're going to cheat with someone, don't have it
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: be the pool boy.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Don't have it be with some grifter that you met online.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Like have it be with someone that's going to like
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: elevate our kids' lives. Our kids can work there. Our
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: kids can, you know, go on these incredible trips and
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: meet these incredible people.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Right. Absolutely.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Cheat with intention. That is the new Mel Robbins book.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Don't you try to steal it, Mel. Don't.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Cheat with intention.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Where are my glasses? I'm going to do my Mel
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Robbins right now. If you're going to cheat, you're going
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: to cheat with intentions. See the future. Think about it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: It.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Get out of bed and say, if I'm going to
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: spread my legs, what is the purpose? The purpose is
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: to elevate not just your legs, but your whole being
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: and that of those surrounding you. It's that simple people.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: That's good. That's really good. I, um, You know, she
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: and Jay Shetty just killing life. Oh, yeah, Jay Shetty.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Just got another $ 100 million, trillion dollar deal.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: You know, he lied about his whole origin story.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: He did?
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I had the reporter on my show. No one cares. Oh,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: my God. No one cares. Really?
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I would think with his people would.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: He was doing an article, you know, and someone would
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: be like, Heather, now you've ruined your chance of ever
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: being on Jay Shetty's Billion, trillion. I don't fucking care.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Thank God I don't care. But listen, I think he's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: cute too. Okay. He's, he's, you know, got those ice
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: blue eyes, Indian, sexy cheekbones.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: But basically in a nutshell, his story was that, you know, he,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: he was a monk and he was something, he was
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: a monk and this and that. But this the story
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: behind his story is not true.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: And he wasn't a monk.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: He like I can't remember, but it wasn't like he
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: killed somebody. It wasn't like that. It was just like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: his story of how he came about.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: It wasn't as pure as he. OK.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: It's like if all of a sudden I always said,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: you know. Well, you guys, I, you know, I... If, like,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: you thought I was this girl that, you know, came
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: from an orphanage in Pacoima and ended up getting a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: scholarship to college and ended up at the Groundlings, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: And then you find out, no!
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: She....
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Lived with her parents, were married their whole life. She
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: went to Catholic school. She does, you know, like this was,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: you know, but my whole thing was when you come
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: from nothing and you can become something. So it's a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: little bit like that. But again, somebody would say, I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: don't care, Heather. Like I just the same way. I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: don't care that someone stole your joke. I don't care
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: that said Mel Robbins stole that. Let them from the poet.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I still like the podcast. I still
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: like the message. The message they're giving me is good. Right.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: And again, you don't have to listen to it. You
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: don't have to be on the show. You don't have to.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: But no, he was writing the story to do an expose,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: not an expose, to do like a real complimentary piece
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: on him. And then he started to discover some stuff.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: And a lot of it was also the coaching. The
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: coaching is the MLM of yesteryear. Where you are a coach.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Then you teach people to be coaches and then they
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: teach people to be coaches.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: And so on and so on and so on. And
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: then you buy these expensive courses.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Kind of like a Scientology.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: I feel like some acting teachers are that way too.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the coaching, learning to coach.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: The acting teaching thing.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: You have to coach from the master and then the, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, acting teachers, that's a weird world too. Anyway, so
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: getting back to that. So that was also kind of a,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: And then when he was looking into it, they were
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: just like not answering it. And then the big PR
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: company or whoever he's with told the magazine, you know,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: you're not going to run this story. And then the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: magazine said, you can take it somewhere else. I think
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: he took it to the guardian, but like, I want
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: to say originally it was like at. It's DQ or Esquire.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry that I'm like messing this up, but
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: you can find them in, in my podcast, but it, um,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: But it was like, yeah, we're not going to run
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: this because this big PR company, we get all these
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: other people from. So we don't want to piss them
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: off by doing this article that isn't this fluff piece.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a juicy. But even though
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: it came out, even though it was on my show
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: and I found it fascinating. Nobody cares.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: It's so interesting.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody cares. It's like I always say, like, well,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: because they also.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: No, you go.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: No, I was going to say, like, well, also because
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: when when you get into the podcast realm, it's like, well,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: then people are like, oh, well, I like the guest
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: they had on or I like the conversation they had.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: It's like less of the onus on on the Jay
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Shetty of it all. And.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: And I think the loophole of a podcast is when
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: people get hard on me, like, you got your facts wrong.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this isn't a facts-based thing. This is a
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: comedic conversation. It's improvisational. Yes, there's some prep work, but
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: I don't have a staff of 55 people. At the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: end of this podcast, you're not going to hear like,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: you know, sound, da-da-da-da. We just do it and we
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: move on. Like, not 25 people working on it. But like,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I think with that too, you're like, well, it's just
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: a conversation of advice. It's just like you're sitting in
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: on a therapy session. And if you don't like the therapist,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: then who cares? And then you're like, and then the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: business people are like, well, we believe people will watch this.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: So that's why we're going to pay this person all
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: this money. And there's no, like, I get it. It
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: all goes around.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Especially now. Like, yeah, I feel like so much of, um,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: the stuff that we used to care about in terms
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: of like artistic integrity, it's like all fallen away. And
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: it's just like, who has the biggest, um, following, can
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: we pay them so we bring more people to, like,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: our subscription service or.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is. Since you're in the TV writing, producing business, how,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: you know, both Hacks and The Comeback had a big
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: storyline about AI.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: AI taking over the writing.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: And what is your feeling? What have you seen happening?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, the people that I know are pretty staunchly
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: against it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like the conversations are, it's really bleak, but hopefully, like,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: we can stay as pure as possible without using it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: But I think in terms of, like, what it could
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: mean for us, like, economically and, like, losing our jobs, I,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: the times that I start to think about that or
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: read about that, it just gets so bleak that I'm like,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Don't even want to look at it.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I just don't even know what to do because
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm so embedded in this world that, yeah,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, it, you know, I do think putting those
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: storylines into shows that people watch and like think about
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: and ruminate on. Like, I think that that is a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: step forward because if it's making it into storylines, that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: means like they are sending a message out of like,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: stay away from this. Like it could really hurt people
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: creatively and hurt people's jobs. So I'm like, that's a start.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Like I'm glad Hacks and The Comeback covered it because,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: you know, even though it's like, whatever, ingest and, you know,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: you're getting a little dose of it through comedy I'm
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: like that is kind of how we get a lot
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: of our information is like we saw it on a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: show or you know we're not always like reading stories
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: about things sometimes it's like the Daily Show did a
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: thing where da da da da da and it's like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: yeah that was really impactful like that really meant something
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: to people so I think the same is true with
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: the comeback and Hacks I'm like oh I'm glad that
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: they're tackling it because then maybe they're spreading the word
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: in a more palatable way have you ever.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Like read a script and you're like this is just
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: really like dated corny jokes, but the concept of the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: show is good. Like, have you ever been like that?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: And then like, what, how do you fix that? Like,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: do you ever just go, I mean that I almost
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: feel like someone would like run through an AI and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: be like, can you make these pop culture jokes more 2026?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, you, you, If you did that, I bet
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: it could get you closer, but I don't think it's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: going to be, like, the final piece.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it would ever be the final piece.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it would be the final piece.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like, if someone, like, with the roasts, okay?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Now, you know, because roasts have become popular again, people
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: will be like, we're going to roast Jerry for his
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: 50th birthday.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: You know? And I'm like, I'm sure... Just like if
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: you were like, help me write a wedding speech or whatever.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you could go in and be like, I
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: want to roast my friend Jerry. He ran a printing company.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: He's been divorced twice. His cat died because he left
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: it outside. And he, whatever, has psoriasis.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Yep. And then there it is.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: And then they'd be like, Jerry's here tonight.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: It's so funny because I specifically wrote a lot about
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: speeches in my book, Ridiculous. I had a lot of
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: feelings on like how to craft like the perfect wedding
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: speech or wedding toast. And it is kind of horrifying
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: that like, oh, now like there is something that can
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: help you with your public speaking. Like you can actually,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it'll be dry because you don't have
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: whatever performance skills, but like at least the content. Like
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: it is scary that like the content could be decent.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Like that's terrifying. Yeah.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: That's terrifying. That's just I mean, I never want to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: say it'll be good. I think also like luckily, I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: think the one good thing about this time we're living
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: in is we're starting to form like I don't know
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: if this is a word, but like a re appreciation
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: for human error. Like human error and flaw is like
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: so beautiful and so important.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: You're even saying that like to like pop as like
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: a TikToker is to be that authentic person that's like.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: Do they say that? I don't really follow.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: They're kind of saying that's like the way to go.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: is like to not. I think it's cool.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's true. Like, and also for live performance
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: and stuff, like I feel like live performance is doing
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: better than ever. And I think it's because people are
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: fundamentally like just feeling a little lonely and disconnected. And like,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: I do think that the AI stuff ties into that.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I think like, sort of stripping away human flaw is
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: like a really scary, it's just scary. And I, I'm like, I,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: I don't, maybe that's like a, I feel like I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: kind of have a, uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: Like my perspective on this feels very unresearched. And I
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: think I intentionally kind of have stayed in that zone
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: and maybe that's not good. Maybe I need to like
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: not remain so in the dark on it. But I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: feel like everything I do learn just bums me the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: hell out. So I kind of steer clear of it.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Well, no, like I was watching this thing about like
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: these like easy fake nails you can get.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I hope my manicurist doesn't
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: see this video. Because I'm not kidding him.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: There's a machine now. Did you see that? All that stuff.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Apparently there's a machine where you're going to be able
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: to literally just put your hand in and it'll doesn't
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: mean it'll be good.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I'm just saying like all this kind of stuff,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: like I would think if you, if that was your
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: profession and you see something like that, it like gives
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: you anxiety.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Cause it's like, there's some, like there's an artistry to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: things and like artistry. What does that even, what is
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: the word? The art, the word artistry will become obsolete
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: because there's no perfecting of a skill if AI can
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: replace it. And like, yeah, I, I, I don't know.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, it, The experience I've had with it where
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is not in terms of writing,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: but I've used the AI.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Like uh what's like for fonts on instagram i'm like
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: oh like let's see what kind of font it can
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: make if i give this prompt and it's so fucked
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: up and janky that i'm like oh okay it's actually
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: that kind of comforting i'm like good i'm glad it
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: didn't know what i was talking about right i'm glad
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: that it butchered it because i don't want it to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: to be able to just accomplish everything so easily yeah
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: like it was like okay we're still we still have
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: like a little bit of room to breathe potentially yeah.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: But i mean it's like but also things have always
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: been formulaic like there'd be times where we my kids
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: were little and we'd be like watching something and i
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: would guess the joke before they'd say it and we'd
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: never seen it and they were like.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: How did you know that i'm like i.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Just because i understand how jokes are written right whatever
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: it's like i'm a magician yeah and so like i
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: think that's always kind of like what That this, like, yeah,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: that it exists. But, like, I was just watching something,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: 16 Candles. Did you ever see 16 Candles?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, it's so dark. It's so dark. I loved
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: it when I was a kid.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, when they cut that clip of, like, how
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: he was disgusted with his girlfriend.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: It's so bad.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Because she got so drunk.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: And then he was like, she's so passed out, I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: could violate her seven ways to Sunday. But why don't you,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: little freshman, take her home? And in the end they
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: have sex and she's like, I don't remember, but it's fine.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: And he's like, I.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Know it's so scary.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: It's, it's, it's almost to the point where you're like, like,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: you're like, I hope my kids don't see this. Like,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: it's so, it's like a horror movie.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: It's so bad. And that we went to it. And
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I remember thinking like he was a dick to that girl. And,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: but also it put in our brains, all those things
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: were written by guys.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: And they put it out there just like Woody Allen
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: would have the 17-year-old girl dying to date his skinny, ugly,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: 45-year-old ass. And somehow an hour in, you've gone, yeah,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: this is totally believable.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: It's like you'll start to just go, okay. And then
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: with that whole thing, you were like, yeah, no way
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: would Jake Ryan want redheaded, sorry, Molly Greenwald, a guy
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: that's rich like that and living that life would have
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: just stuck with that girl till he got to college
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: and then like fucking joined SAE and had a great
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: fucking time.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: But it was always that thing where it's always like, oh, well,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: if I show up to the party and I stand
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: in the corner, the guy's just going to see me
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: in the corner and be like, you. I know.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: You want to meet a guy? Go up, shove your
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: tits in their face, start a conversation, tell them you
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: like them, make the first move. And then they'll be like, okay.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: That's so true. It's like we think they're evolved beings
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: and they're not.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: There were so, well, I feel like that what you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: just described is the evolution of the pick me girl.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: Because the literal pick me, which is like you wanted
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: to be picked. You wanted to be chosen. And the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: narrative that you were watching on TV was, was you
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: just stand there. Hopefully you guys lock eyes across the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: room at the school dance.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: And then he's like, almost like, like brought to you,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: like he almost like floats over to you being like, finally,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: you're the answer to all my problems. And it's like,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: literally all of the movies were that. It was like,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: you don't have to do anything. You just stand there,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: you look hot and like, hopefully he'll see you.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Or not hot.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Or you're not hot. Or you're not hot and he'll
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: still see you.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Or you just are brunette, which means you're ugly.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean... You're the.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Ugliest friend if you're brunette.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those movies. I mean, the dolls. Barbie. You're ethnic
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: if you're brunette. Barbie's friend was brunette.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Barbie wasn't brunette. Her friend was. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think, yeah, just there's so much about, like,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: how I've approached men in my life or, like, the
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: expectations that I had for men. And it was all just, like,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: absolute mental pollution from the shows I watched and watched
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  Speaker 3: Even cartoons like all the Disney shit, like just pollution
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  Speaker 3: in my head of like, this is what it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be like. This is what romance looks like. This
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  Speaker 3: is what courtship looks like. This is what human decency
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  Speaker 3: looks like. It's like it's all so wrong and so flawed.
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  Speaker 3: It's really crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, on that happy note, it was so fun talking
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  Speaker 2: to you. It was great. I'm going to go see
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  Speaker 2: your show.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: This is just one of the dates, but you said
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  Speaker 2: them all. Where can they follow you so they can
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  Speaker 2: see if you're coming to their city?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: All of my links for tickets are on my Instagram
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  Speaker 3: at really Jamie Lee. Jamie, J-A-M-I-E-L-E-E. And yeah, at Really
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  Speaker 3: Jamie Lee, I have all my links there. All my
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  Speaker 3: ticket links.
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  Speaker 2: And then you told me you're writing another show, which
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be totally into, called.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm working on a show called Escorted, which is
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  Speaker 3: going to be on Amazon, starring Brett Goldstein, about a
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: male escort.
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  Speaker 2: But it's based on a true story or no?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I love high-class hookery. I love... I call
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: them hooker lights. I love that theme. I remember the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: original Gigolo movie from a million years ago. I loved
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: the gross Showtime gigolo.
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  Speaker 3: Reality show with.
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  Speaker 2: The grossest Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: It was a tough watch.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: I know, but I like sad reality shows about Vegas. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: I love Vegas as a backdrop, but it has to
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: be gritty and sweaty and kind of sad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. I mean, they don't really make those shows anymore.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Vanderpump is supposed to... do a new
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  Speaker 2: show in Vegas. Oh, good. So I'm hoping that has
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: like a fresh start.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: And isn't depressing.
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  Speaker 3: Get Heather back to Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: And goes to Vegas and she's got all her stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I love that. So you have that. You also,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: the fourth season of.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, fourth season of Ted Lasso is coming out in August. Yeah, great.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a girls team this time, which is really exciting.
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  Speaker 3: We had a whole new... have a whole uh new
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: cast in a lot of well not a whole new
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: cast but we have a lot of additions to our
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: cast which is really exciting.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome yeah that's such a hit well thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much you guys and go to heathermcdonald.net for me
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