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The Zainab of Karbala (Ft Sayed Abdullah Al-Nakeeb) · After Maghrib 🌙

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Sallallahu Alaykay, ABBA Abdullah Abdullah, Ajorana
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Ajorakum, Salaam Alaikum and welcome back to another episode
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on The Aftermath, the podcast. We are still in the 10 nights
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leading up to the 10th of Muharram, the day of Ashwara.
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Many of us are on Chatallah listening to this episode,
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possibly in our car on the way to a majlis or coming back home
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or in the comfort of your own homes.
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Wherever you are around the world.
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We asked Allah Soprano to Allah to accept your Azhar, to accept
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your service, to accept your tears and Insha'allah always
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having the opportunity to be under, as we say in Iraqi, under
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the heme of the hedme of Imam Hussain Ali Abdullah Salati
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Wasalam and today's episode we want to look at the life of Lady
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Zainab Salamullahi Aleha, the role she played in Islam, what
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she played, the role she had in Karbala on Ashura and the
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relationship and that connection and that bond she had with Imam
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and Hussein ABBA Abdullah Alaihi.
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Abdullah Salati was Salaam and we are joined by a guest that
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requires no introduction. However, as we always do, like
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every week, I would like to welcome my Hosseini Co host
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Ahmed Salam Aliq. I'm keeping saying.
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I'm keeping well, I've listened today to about 3 massage before
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actually going to imagine this and I listened to the massage of
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Umun Benin, so I've had the very My mind's all over the place
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when it comes to Karbala. How has your nights been?
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Yeah, it's been intense, it's been heavy, it's been emotional.
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I feel like there's been a lot of inshallah presence of say,
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the apartment in the Majalis that I've attended.
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And I can see the sincerity in the volunteers in of course, our
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speakers, our our scholars, but also the people around.
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And I'm trying to take it all in and Inshallah, trying to benefit
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as much as possible and trying to find ways to give back
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Inshallah because Imam Hussein Al Islam gave everything for us
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and we have to find something we can give back to him, no matter
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how small that might be. So Inshallah we want to give
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back hopefully to you all to the audience, Inshallah today by
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bringing you a guest who you have seen Hamdallah a couple of
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times before and after Mahreb, he is our teacher, he is our
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brother Hamdallah and we're so honoured to be rejoined once
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again this year by none other than our dear brother and our
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dear teacher, said Abdullah and Hakim Sahm Ali Khunseid.
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Ali Khun sahm Ali Ali Khun sahmah Hamdallah was a
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introduction I didn't deserve. I think it was not Habibi
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honoured, honoured to be here. We're.
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So lucky to have you again in the UK and Bin Lad this year.
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You were speaking in Haiti Islamic Centre in South London,
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which is a fantastic community. It's a beautiful how how has
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your how's your trip been so far?
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Beautiful Muharram, you know, it's, it's one of those
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interesting things. It's like a bittersweet taste,
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you know, things that we really look forward to all year round,
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you know, since Arbayan, you kind of look forward to the next
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Muharram. I wouldn't say excitement but
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rather willingness to be in these atmospheres that we do
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have and sadness obviously when I remember about Abdullah and
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see still till now Imam Mehdi is waiting for us to prepare
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ourselves. So in that sense, you know
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sadness but in the same sense as well seeing everyone come
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together, you know, and rid themselves of everything.
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That this piece is Allah, and this month, Subhan Allah, the
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numbers that come in and want to be guided by Mohammed Hussein
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Ali and Salaam is very inspirational.
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So it's beautiful in that sense, without a doubt.
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So yeah, that's what we're going to go towards.
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Every single year we see, you know, different communities
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around the world where you see kind of overlapping struggles.
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And each and every community you see just how much Imam Hussein
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impacts their life, every single person in a different manner.
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And so when you come to the Majalis, you see, you know, I
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may say a whole lecture, one person will hold on to number.
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You know, .11 would hold on to .21 would hold on to, you know,
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just a line from the Quran or a line from what happened in
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Karbala. And they resonate with that.
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So you never really know. And the importance is as well, I
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think in the Maginas, the fact is that when you see, you know,
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all these different people coming, the hospitality that
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every single centre has had of a welcoming nature is it's changed
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over time. That's, that's my experience
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that used to be, you know, very much how do I say this in the
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best way? But the welcoming nature was
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very different, you know, to those that were known in the
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community not to be of a religious nature.
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But as it's progressed, you begin to see that no, no, it's
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all of a sudden like, no, we need to even put more of an
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effort for the people that do not come to the Masjid.
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You do not come to the, you know, Hussainia to actually grab
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them, you know, holding onto this whole idea of Mom Hussein
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being. The arc of salvation, like let's
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utilize this time to bring these people that don't usually come,
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don't know who Imam Hussein is, don't know what he stands for.
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But the fact is that Imam Hussein has chosen you to, you
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know, put your footsteps into the Masjid, into the
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Husseiniyah. That welcoming nature doesn't,
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you know, makes them not want to leave, makes them wants to stay
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there, want to learn more, want to be part of the community.
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So over time, I think we begin to see that.
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More and more. And we hear stories.
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We see things. And you know, what's happening
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in the world now and the oppression around the world, I
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think a lot of people have kind of migrated to begin to
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understand what is this Shias call of thought?
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You know, what is this Hussein that you always say that he
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stood up against oppression. So all that coming together, the
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atmosphere right now is it's beautiful from a learning
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perspective and being guided perspective, you know, for
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myself first and foremost as well, and whomever holds onto
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the rope. Of him on, I said, I said.
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Beautiful, beautiful. And, and if I can just share
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before we actually open the discussion is that I have been
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following your lunches, I believe.
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So I'm up to date Al Hamdallah with, with the, with the, the
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topics you've chosen, which are very interesting.
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And it's topics that we don't normally hear outside of
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Muharram. So it's something we appreciate
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quite a lot. And I'm learning about Islamic
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unity, I'm learning about anger and things like this.
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These are things we deal with day-to-day in our lives.
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Be at work, be our friends, be on the streets when we go, even
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sometimes shopping in Asda or Tesco's here in the UK.
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We interact. We can, something can make us
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angry or we have a conversation with another Muslim.
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Like how do we get like these things really help us and share
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our lives as good Husseinis, as good Muslims, as good money.
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And so thank you for the lectures that you deliver for
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the community. Sayidna, I think let's begin
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here. If it's OK with you, it's Lady
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Zaina. We know Ali has Salaam, she has
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a high status. We all know.
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Sometimes actually, I understand here.
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I feel like as a community we do a form of injustice by just
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saying or limiting the daughter of Emira Mohmanin to just
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Karbala or just Aishwarya and we just leave her within the
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parameters of Mossaib. But there is more to learn from
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Saida Zainab Ali as Salaam. What can we learn or know about
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her greatness and the role she played within Islam?
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I'm not sure where you want to take the conversation, but.
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You wanted to look at it outside the scope of Karbala.
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But we will get definitely get into that.
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But I want to know Lady Zainab outside of Karbala.
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So we can we can go very, very early on.
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So say the Zainab. I have a lot of salatu Salaam.
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You know, we go to very young age because you know, sometimes
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you, you think, you know, Zainab, obviously she's going to
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be great because you know, her mother is Fatima, her father is
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alumni without of the grandfather Rasulullah.
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But you know, necessarily when you look at it through the Holy
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Quran, it's not really a prerequisite by any means.
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You know, you look at, let's say the the story of Yousuf.
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They were all sons of a prophet and brothers of a prophet.
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But did they turn out as good question mark?
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You know, But on the flip side, you could be married to someone
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that is a dictator and says and still be one of the four
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greatest women ever to exist. So the Quran gives you the
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parameters. It doesn't, you know.
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It doesn't necessitate that you're from this family, that
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you are a great person, nor does it say that you're from a not so
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great environment that you cannot turn out to be good.
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But the parameters are there, that yet within the same
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household, the why he's there, the footprint of Gibralti is
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there. So you see, OK, there's already
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a guidance at such a young age. But with that you need to ask
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yourself, but let's look at who Zainab is.
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So you know the famous. Story that we see that mum Ali
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at such a young age, he would go towards Zainab, he told her the
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tell me one you know and Zainab would say one.
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And says Zainab say too, and she wouldn't say anything.
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Zainab say too, doesn't say anything.
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And then says, Zainab, why do you not say too?
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And the famous reply that comes is how can the tongue that
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uttered the oneness of Allah say other than that?
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So at a such a young age, you know, some people don't allude
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to the fact that, you know, we go towards Hotwa Fatima Zahrah.
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Yeah. We learn about the Hotwa Fatima
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Zahrah and you've you've seen it.
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It's it's, it's, it's massive. Someone comes to relate it
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something amazing. We take time just in learning
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the Hotwa. You know, reading it takes time.
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Imagine learning the Hotwa. Now imagine if you're a four
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year old transmitter of the tradition of Fatimati Zahara is
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a four year old Zainab, 4 years of age, narrates the whole
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speech of her mother, Fatimati Zahara.
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So greatness is there and we see that characteristics.
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And then when you look at the life of say the Zainab, as as
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hurtful as it is to say, but it's always being in a sense
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that it is leading up to prepare her for Karabella and what
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occurs afterwards. Because as we're going to
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discuss the importance of her position and what she did
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impacts each and every one of us till today.
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So Imam Alimi Batalib has always been in a position where he
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tried and succeeded in laying down the foundations, which is
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Zeynep. So I'll give you examples.
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So we know part of the Mossad that always they reiterate from
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the pulpits that no one saw the shadow of Zeynep.
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The fact that, you know, even at night when she would want to go
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and visit Rasul Allah, when she want to go to visit the grave of
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her mother, that he would go at the night because there's no
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light. And on top of that, he would be
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in front, Abbas in the back, Hassan and Hussein on either
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side. So no one sees, you know, a
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glimmer of her height, etcetera. Yeah.
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And they wouldn't take a candle, the candle that they live with.
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So you can see your path. It would extinguish the light in
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it. And that's why when you go
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towards the court, it would say, are you Zainab?
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The one that they used to extinguish the light so that
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that aura followed her around. You're not so much sure that I
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came across a tradition that I found very, very interesting.
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And just this speaks to how Imam Imam Alibnikitayleb tried to
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always protect Zainab from everything.
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So the tradition goes, a personality came.
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I'm trying to remember his name now, Alesha Athiban Pais.
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So the Khalifas that preceded married their daughters to him
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and so it comes to Emerald Mamuni and says I want to ask
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for your daughter Zainab's hand. Now something normal yes someone
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comes and asks for a hand in marriage.
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So but look at the reply of mum Ali, he said first you know like
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again he repeated that and Imam Ali that it says that leave you
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leave this issue and do not mention her name on your tongue
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again lest I cut that tongue of yours.
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So not just Zainab is protected, even uttering her name on your
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tongue is now a protection for me as Ali and Nebutallab look at
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the levels that I mean. What I mean has protected Zainab
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and Kunta and guided her towards something which will learn what
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that something is. So in that aspect of protection,
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you begin to see that he has things that other people will
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look at to be like Holden, are you allowed to do such a thing?
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Example is when she was married, he would tell her husband that
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my condition is she follows Hossein wherever he goes.
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So laying down the foundations so that you begin to see that
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from day one, Zeynep has always been moving towards her role in
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Karbala, always moving towards that role, you know, and, and
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they knew it. Every single one of them knew
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it. And that's why we have the
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traditions that say Imam and Hassan was born Rasul Allah
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cries, tells Fatima Tazarah Hussein is born Rasul Allah
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cries, tells Fatima Zarah, so they have a daughter when they
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have a daughter. So the Fatima was like, you
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know, like they men calamity's tragedy of how I have a daughter
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and also Allah, the tragedy says he cries even more for this
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young daughter. And what's what's going on?
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Is she also going to be in a state of calamity?
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And then she finds out what happens to this Zeyneb.
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And that's why throughout, throughout her life, she's
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always protected from being hurt because they couldn't handle
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seeing Zeyneb hurt. Rasulullah had a certain love
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towards her. Fatima Tazara.
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The traditions always tell us that Zainab was in a moment
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where, you know, even when Fatima Tazara is buried.
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Ali Nabhat Ali is reciting Quran, falls asleep.
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Fatima comes to him. Zainab has awoken, doesn't have
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a mother. Make sure that she still has a
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father while you're here, Ali. I mean only who struck, he's
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been carried, can barely walk. But at that moment he says he
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sees Zainab and he says lift me up, let me walk.
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I don't want Zainab's heart to be hurt by seeing me in such a
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state. I said likewise when he's
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regurgitating all that poison into a bowl, sees Zainab, he
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says Hussain hide. So the protection in one level
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from hurting that heart of Zainab and preparing her for
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what is to come has been seen throughout.
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And so with these two parameters that go side by side, you begin
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to see what we look at in Karbala that's documented, is
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indicative of the way that she was brought up and that's what
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she achieved as a result of all those years of preparation.
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We're going to discuss obviously what we learnt from Zeyneb
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during Karbala and what preceded.
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So in a more of a light, she was always being prepared for this.
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But that greatness, you know, it stemmed from that period of time
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even before Karbala. We only he of that Zainab in
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Karbala, not necessarily he what it took to become Zainab.
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So that's the essence and there's so many things we can
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look at, you know, like, like we stated, the knowledge that she
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had knowledge, you know, you can go towards traditions that say
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in Alemeni Rasulullah Alphab and Manila and Yufta Haman Kulibab
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and Alphabab, Alemeni Rasul teaches you.
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Yeah, so you have a teacher. But then when it comes towards,
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say, the Zainab, not comparing obviously, I mean, also has
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divine knowledge. But in this aspect, it's trying
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to showcase that Rasulullah is the city of knowledge and he's
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his gate. You found that Imam Zen Abedin
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in the travel after Karbala whilst she's saying the sermon
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that she did she he says to her you are Aleman.
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Everyone says Alemeni Rasulullah in that situation I mean and you
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find a mum say Jazz says about Zainab Aleman.
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Aleman meaning what? Student without a teacher
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without a teacher student. Without a teacher.
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So where's that knowledge coming from?
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It's godly. Quran says it and refers to it
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as Ledonni when it goes towards the story of Mosa and Qadar.
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This is alumna home in la Donna Elma from us.
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So now they have the island Iktesabe that you can gain and
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there's one that is bestowed upon you.
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So Zainab, now all of a sudden, you know we have the 14 muscle
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mean specific and then you have the self attained muscle mean
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that have endeavour to perfect their characteristics to such a
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level that they are self attained infallibles because
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they have worked towards achieving them.
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It's achievable nonetheless. So then you have that knowledge
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as one of the greatest characteristics someone can have
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and that was found in Zeynep from an early age of four.
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And then it's showcased to another level when she was heard
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after Karbala. You know, there's so many, so
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many things said you've mentioned which are so
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empowering to hear about, say, the Zeinab's formula.
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They are, but at the same time, equally heartbreaking,
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especially when when you talk about Abiramat Minin saying you
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should not, you should be wary of even mentioning her name on
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your tongue. And this is the same, say the
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Zeinab who was paraded through the bazaar and who was who was
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who was made into a a display of entertainment and whose modesty
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was was removed. And unfortunately, we don't
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recognise sometimes the stature of her and what she did for the
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Holy Imam in his presence and in his absence as well.
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Before the podcast, we talked about how in some ways, she.
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Fills the shoes of her mother, said it in the Sahalamin Islam
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Alayhi Alayhi and how she acts as a motherly figure for Imam
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Hussein Alayhi Salaam and also for the camp at large.
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You know, during the battle, before the battle, during and
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even after, how she assumes that motherly position, that maternal
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responsibility, how she assumed not just the position of a
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mother, but also in, in some cases acting in, in, in place of
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the Imam. In his absence.
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When Imam Sajad al Assalam was unwell and he was unable maybe
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to, to physically stand up, of course, he was the Imam and his
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responsibilities remained and his knowledge was not affected
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at all. But say the Zainab supplemented
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him with that knowledge, with that leadership, and she acted
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as the leader and she challenged the enemies of Islam, the
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enemies of the last panel to Isla with her knowledge and
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with, with the, the Tarabia, which she gained from her
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parents and of course her older brothers as well.
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I just feel like there's, and I think said you alluded to this
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at the beginning. There's, there's an I, I don't
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want to say an under appreciation because of course,
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say the Zainab is everything, everything you cannot mention,
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say the Zainab and without mentioning a mum Hussein and you
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cannot mention the mum Hussein without mentioning say the
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Zainab. And they go hand in hand.
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And you can talk about the relationship with Abbas al Islam
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and say the Zenit talk about the relationship between Bibirokhaya
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and say the Zenit and the list goes on.
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But when I say under appreciation, maybe that's not
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the best word, but rather we don't understand, we can't
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comprehend her greatness. If a middle what many this just
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hit me now, but it's what I said.
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If a middle what many is saying, watch what you say when you say
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her name, then this is something for us to be aware of surely.
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What is it about Sada Zaynab which amongst her many
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attributes you mentioned her knowledge?
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What about her status and her stature in that regard?
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There's so, so like I want to touch up a few points before
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like that's like the motherly thing that you mentioned is
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something like it's, it's so powerful because there's a lot
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of gestures that occurred in Karbala that kind of persona.
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Personify what you just said because Habib comes, you know,
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when the the famous dialogue happens between Zainab and Imam
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Hussain. Have you tested your men?
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Yes, he's goes towards the Mukhayim.
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Habib comes, and when you talk about greatness and you ask, you
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know about his status, what happens in that moment?
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Habib comes, takes the swords out of their sheets, and he
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takes the oath so that Zeynep can hear that we are not ready
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to put them back into their sheets, lest we put them in our
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enemies. So Mahasan gives Zeynep
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permission. What's the next thing she does?
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Because we're talking about being a motherly figure and
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assuming the post of Fatima, What does she do before she goes
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outside to address them? She puts on the ABBA of our
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mother Fatima, before she addresses them.
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Know who is my mother? Know who I am the daughter of
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when I address you. At that moment, knowing her
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position, what does Habib begin to do?
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Throws himself on the ground, puts sand on his head, the dust
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on his head. He says, Who am I?
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Zeynep? The voice is heard by me.
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Who am I that Zeynep speaks to me?
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And this is Habib, this is the person that, you know, like
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Fatih Al Hussein addresses him. Anyone who's got knowledge of
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Zainab, it's definitely going to be him.
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So he recognizes that greatness of Zainab.
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So in the position in Karbala, the whole time, you'll see that
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Imam Hussein's, he has a bus on the battlefield, but every time
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he goes to the tents, who's there?
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Every time he drags a body in the tents, who's there?
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Imam Hussein loses Ali in Al Akbar.
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He goes the other way, doesn't he?
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Ala Dunya Bada Khalafa. Who's the one that tells him,
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Hussein, you're going the wrong way?
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Ali's over there. Zainab.
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When Raliah comes back from the battlefield, doesn't know where
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to put him. Puts him under his clothes.
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He's looking around, looking around.
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Who do I give Raliah to? Can't give it back to Rabab.
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Call me Zainab till the last moments, you know, Mahelen,
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Mahela, Eben and Zahra. This is what kind of sister am I
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that I'm bringing a horse so you may ride out towards your death.
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She needed to be the mountain of patience that she was.
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And when you begin to see this Abasi de Zena be like, OK, then
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there's something about her character that we are lacking.
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We do not understand because what kind of woman goes through
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all of this and is still a mountain of patience.
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Then you see her upbringing. Then you see that she knows that
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she even after Mohammed Hussain returns back towards Allah, her
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mission starts then and there it continues.
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Because when you, when you stated yes, Mohammed Hussain,
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when he died, Imam Sejad, then an Aberdeen was sick.
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Shekhmah Makani has a statement which you alluded to.
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He says if we were to assume everything and understand what
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happened in Karbala and taking into consideration the position
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and the sickness of Imam Sajjad, it's unjust not to say that
26:07
Zainab to a degree held some of the weight of Imam on her
26:12
shoulders. What kind of personality do you
26:16
need to be? What kind of character do you
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have to be in order for you to hold some of the weight of
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Imamat on your shoulders? And this can be seen?
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Mama said God gives her the permission to give the fatwas on
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His behalf. Go and ask my Auntie Zainab what
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kind of personality is she? Her greatness is seen in so many
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different ways. To show you what Allah has given
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her. You go to tell Zainabi Teller,
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Zainab, you all go. We wipe our cheeks on it.
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We seek blessings from being in that position.
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What was telesainabi? Telesainabi is a piece of earth.
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That said, the Zainab honored with her feet.
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You and I go and seek blessings from that.
27:08
The Zainab honored with their feet.
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See the Zainab, she did everything with certainty.
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When she did it with certainty, she knew very well what the
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outcome is. And that's why when she's found
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speaking towards mum Sajjad, she speaks towards Mum Sajjad.
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She sees him in a very saddened state.
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Now, just to show you the foresight that you can't
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envision, the depth of this lady's knowledge and foresight,
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lest you read this particular line because you're like a
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Zainab. Yes, you had a good character.
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She was a strong woman and she fought against oppression.
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It's much more than that, much more than that.
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She's seen everything we're doing right now.
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She's seen it as clear as day. From this statement.
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She goes towards Mama Sejjad, Miley Araka to Judo Binesika
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Bakiya TE. Why do I see you, you know, in a
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saddened state. Oh, that which remains of my
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family. Mali arakate judo binovsica.
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Yeah. Bakayete ehli fenohu.
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Allah. I had done mean Allah.
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That by Allah, this what's occurring is a covenant that
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Allah has given to your father and grandfather.
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I had done mean Allah. The jeddaka ebik wasayun sabo
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alamun Fattah Zainab. Same to you, mamse ajad.
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There will be a flag. That will be placed in puff,
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being in Karbala, that will outlast the days and nights and
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the enemies will come together to bring it down.
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This flag which is Hussein, this flag was what occurred in
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Karbala. This flag which is the sacrifice
29:09
will be put in Karbala, the enemies and we see over time
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they will come together into joint effort to bring this flag
29:17
down, to bring the name of Imam Hussein down, to bring the name
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and hide the truth which is al al bait come together.
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But then what did she say? Fellai is dad Allah Alluwah
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doesn't go down every time they try.
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Every time they try, elevate and elevate and elevate.
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Allah has a covenant. So when you see these words
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from, say, the zeynep towards Zejad, words of foresight, all
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of a sudden you begin to see zeynep as something else.
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And sometimes we really need to read between the lines to see
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like, OK, now I begin to see the capabilities of Zeynep.
29:58
You know when you read the tradition, when Zeynep enters
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Kufa, you read that tradition. You can imagine everyone
30:08
celebrating them coming in. Yeah, they've been captured.
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Finally, everyone's that you've come to see is happy.
30:16
So there was noise, animals, people, streets full.
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The tradition. Look what it says.
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It says for Omar ET biedehil yumna, Omar ET biedehil yumna
30:30
Omar ET means. She gestured, signalled with her
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right hand. Not a sound was to be heard.
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Nothing. Every single thing that spoke
30:45
made movements, whether it be anime, in anime everything was
30:49
silent, nothing. Not a word.
30:53
Then she spoke. Now you come and tell me.
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Yeah, me. 2-3 people are talking, you think I can make
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them stop talking? A whole street in Kufa being
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paraded animals, whips, soldiers, crying children,
31:12
everything of of the calamity that just occurred.
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She just gestures, not a sound. You come and explain that to me.
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We read it so many times. Have we contemplated over the
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fact that she just does, that Allah makes it possible?
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Scott given strength and you know, saying that you you said,
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you know, she visioned like she can see what's happening here
31:39
today. And it's very similar to the
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lines where she says, and we always read and we hear from the
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pulpus and and the Menarda is that when she goes on to say you
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will never ever erase our memory.
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Like she even saw that. And Subhan Allahu, we see this
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living here today that we have hundreds of millions of Muslims
31:57
commemorating Karbala thanks to Saila Zainabales remembering
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Imam and Hussain thanks to say the second saving the religion
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of Islam free Mohammed Hussain via say the Zainab.
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So Zainab play the critical role in Islam.
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Omal Mossayab. Omal Mossam is one of the names,
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and it is one of the most painful names.
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I need to to be called Omal Mossayeb.
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It's not something easy. It's not something like.
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How great must the tragedy be to be known as the mother of
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tragedy? It's it's it's, it's just heart
32:28
wrenching honestly. With all that, what did she say?
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Mara ET to Allah. Jamilah Mara ET to Allah
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Jamilah, I saw nothing but the beauty of God.
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I just I just saw at the same time.
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Yeah, Subhan Allah. Like to, to, to say that in the
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face of tyranny, you know, like when, when, when people need to
32:50
like really kind of understand that that's close proximity.
32:54
Imagine walking into the most powerful person on the planet at
32:58
that time, the most powerful person and he parades you in
33:02
front of people. He's got the head of your
33:05
brother on his table. He's playing with his face race
33:10
his teeth. And you know, he says the lines
33:15
to showcase like I am all powerful.
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Look what I'm doing to you, you know, and the famous lines that
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he says of poetry that showcases his disbelief.
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But that the fact that when she is asked, how did you see
33:29
Karamela, you and I, if we were to hear the tragedy, Zeyneb's
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eyes see something else. The lens she's looking at is a
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godly lens that she sees. And that's why Subhanallah.
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So when, when you look at the tragedy in itself, you know,
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every single person resonates with, with Zeyneb in a certain
33:58
level, you know, like I'd like to ask, you know what, what do
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you guys resonate with in Karbala with Zeyneb?
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Out of all the things that occurred, what do you think is
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the most powerful position for Zeyneb in Karbala?
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Like that really showed you like this lady is without a shadow of
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that manifestation of Allah's mercy, Allah's patience.
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What's what's that one position for you?
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As in the moment. Moment in Karbala, they're like,
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this is for me what Zainab is. I think I'm going to answer this
34:32
from an emotional point because, you know, being this nice.
34:36
I've heard so much beside and we've related so much to say,
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say the Zainab Ali Salaam. And I would say she was the
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comfort, like she was the comfort to Rabab, to Layla, sort
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of higher to Sukina. Like after, after the battle,
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after everything that happened, she was the one that looked
34:53
after everyone. She ensured the, the children
34:56
didn't feel like they're orphaned.
34:58
She would ensure that even water reached.
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I, I was reading the other day that after the battle of
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Karbala, they drank water. So to a point where the mother
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of the she went searching for a son because though he was killed
35:15
and she knows he was killed, yet she still had hope now that
35:19
she's quenched at first, that she can nurse him.
35:22
I say the Zainab goes to consult, but what are you doing?
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Come back to the tents. And that's the sort of
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conversation where she was always comforting them.
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So that's how I see, say the Zainab on the 10th of.
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For me just to add to to what you said, said comfort to to
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Imam that I say in Islam and especially the kiss on his neck
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destroys me every single time because she was told that this
35:48
is where your brother will be slain from here in this manner.
35:52
And for me that like hits my heart to be honest.
35:56
And it just shows that she she was given a message and A and a
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responsibility and like you said, she had to carry that
36:05
throughout her life with knowledge full well as to what
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was to happen. And she performed her duty in
36:13
the absence of her mother for Abdullah.
36:16
And we know Seyda Fatima came to Karbala and we know she was
36:21
there. And we know she in these days,
36:24
she dreads the day of Ashura. She dreads the night of Ashura
36:29
and and just the knowledge of what will happen to her son.
36:33
But if there's one thing which adds solace, maybe perhaps to
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say the Fatima Sahara Salam Alayhi, was that say the Zainab
36:40
Salam Alayhi Alayhi was there in her place in her stead and acted
36:44
as a comfort to her brother. And how how beautiful is it that
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Imam Hussein last year said we were speaking about how far
36:52
Abbas Islam and his relationship with Imam Hussein Hamdallah.
36:55
We have the opportunity to see what a blessing it is to speak
36:57
about now his relationship with his blessed sister.
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To talk about both siblings and Hamdallah and two, two
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consecutive years to consecutive Muharram is such an honour to to
37:09
know that Imam Hussein had he had these two flanks not in the
37:14
military sense, but in his in his internal domestic sense.
37:18
His brother and his sister who were there for him, committed to
37:22
him. Once said I will go out and I'll
37:24
defend you against the enemies with my armour, with my bare
37:27
chest. He defended with his eye in his
37:30
arms. He defended his brother and
37:32
Seder Zeinab with her modesty, defended her brother with her
37:35
words defended her brother with her protection over his, his
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kinship defended her brother. These are the things which are
37:44
the most important. And just to add beyond that, she
37:47
defended belief when you talked about when she went to the court
37:50
and she was told as you mentioned, said so beautifully
37:53
how Bunny Hashem played with with the Kingdom like like kings
37:59
as sport. And when she was asked you, did
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you see what Allah did to you that Allah made this happen to
38:05
you? And she said, no, Allah did not
38:07
make this, you did this. Allah gave us nothing but
38:09
beauty. And this is I saw nothing but
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beauty. These are the words of someone
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who embodies Torhid. And I think that that is
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something so pivotal for us to take away that everything that
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she did was an embodiment of Torhid like that that.
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Point the kiss. You know, sometimes you think to
38:32
yourself, Fatima Salah to Salaam when she died, how old was
38:38
Zaina? Four yeah, 4/5.
38:42
She had that conversation with Zainab, and she was four years
38:46
of age. Like do you know like 50?
38:49
Plus years. She'd remember that.
38:52
Wow. And she'd had to carry that
38:56
until the moment when Mohammed Hussain has no one.
38:59
She knew. It's coming, it's coming, it's
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coming. You know, she did definitely
39:06
embody toe hate, otherwise she would not have been able to do
39:09
what she did. For me, I think the greatest
39:13
moment is the fact that when you look at Imam and Hussain, during
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the whole event of Karbala, every time someone would fall,
39:28
Imam and Hussain would offer him as a sacrifice.
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O Allah, except for me, O Allah, O my Raviya, let this not be
39:38
harder on you. Then losing Natal Salah for
39:41
example, to the end of it. And then for me, the greatest
39:46
moment that showcased the patient, the strength and the
39:54
tragedy in the same time of Zainab was when you think to
39:58
yourself for over 50 years, every time you wake up, you look
40:03
upon the face of ABBA Abdullah and you see his smile.
40:11
You see his lips that are not dry from the 1st that very
40:19
moment. You think to yourself, she's
40:21
seen him every single morning and then she sees his head on a
40:26
spear. But even then, she said, I still
40:30
have a mission. And for me the greatest moment
40:33
was in the night of the 10th, while she's running from one
40:39
tent to another, exhausted, trying to protect the next imam
40:45
from being attacked. Sees the children, some of them
40:50
burnt, some of them trampled by the hooves.
40:53
But she says no, I still have to do something before anything
40:56
else. So she goes into the plains of
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Karbala between the headless bodies.
41:04
Who knows, maybe she passed Aun, maybe she passed Muhammad, maybe
41:09
she passed others that she grew up with from her family members.
41:15
And then she sees what remains of the body of ABBA Abdullah.
41:19
You know, it's trampled body. What remains, you know, like
41:24
back and forth ten of the horses, whatever remains of the
41:28
body of ABBA Abdullah and she places her hands, you know, once
41:33
a body that moments ago she embraced what remains of her.
41:38
She puts her hand under the body and she raises that which
41:41
remains of the body and she says the famous lines, oh Allah,
41:46
except for most this sacrifice, you know, when she looks down,
41:51
she sees what she remembers to be the remains of Abu Abdullah.
41:56
So for me, that notion of, say, the Zainab is without a doubt,
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in my opinion, the greatest moment that showcases Hussein.
42:10
The Zainab was what she stood for and her character, how she
42:15
was brought up and how she knew what lies ahead.
42:19
And from that moment, before she had a bus, she had Hussein, but
42:25
from that moment, she was alone. She was taking the role of
42:30
Abafat Al Abbas, taking the role of Imam Al Hussein.
42:32
She was a protector and a guide for that which remained from Al,
42:37
albeit at that moment. So for me, that was the greatest
42:45
position that she was in and the most difficult at the same time.
42:50
From then on, how much should she go through?
42:53
You know, we have the tradition that says, you know, Levkian
43:00
alekhi, bedele, dumoydema, Imam sahab Zaman.
43:04
So in one of the scholars he sees Imam Zaman in the dream.
43:08
He says, Imam, you know, you say about the tragedy of Kabbalah
43:13
that you cry tears of blood. And he asks him, who do you cry
43:18
out for? Do you cry for Hussein?
43:23
If it was for Hussein, he would cry if he saw what I saw.
43:26
Was it for Abbas? If Abbas saw what I saw, he
43:30
would also cry with me. Ali Akbar, Ghassim, all of them
43:36
would cry. Says why didn't you cry tears,
43:39
blood. This is for my auntie's egg.
43:43
What did she go through? What did she see?
43:47
That which we know of and what that which we do not know of?
43:50
And how did she do what she did? Being paraded from one city to
43:54
another? How did she handle Rukaya?
43:58
You know, and I think that I end the tragedy of saying with
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Rukaya because you know, the the moment when you see, you know, a
44:08
child crying and you want to give her something and and they
44:11
bring her the head of her father.
44:13
You know, a four year old, you bring the head of a father to a
44:16
four year old. And all of a sudden, from her
44:19
crying, crying, crying, she become silent.
44:22
You know, at the moment Zainab's thinking, you know, like, oh,
44:24
she knows she's, she's, she's asleep.
44:26
Finally she got some rest. We've been thrown from one city
44:29
to another. You know, this Ajad would say,
44:33
my aunt, you remove her. May Allah increase your reward.
44:38
Allah, Allah kill edge. Why?
44:40
Who announced Ajad? We've lost so many people.
44:43
He says my sister Rukaya has returned.
44:46
But you know what the tragedy is?
44:48
She took Rukaya and she tried to take care of everywhere to get
44:52
washed. No one would wash Lokaya.
44:55
You know, she's asking why. Why is no one washing her?
44:59
They would say that she has a disease because every time they
45:04
try to wash her, they see her body like, no, she's filled with
45:07
disease. And Zainab would say to her,
45:10
this is not a disease. This is the bruises from the
45:13
whips, from the Spears, from the sword tips, from being walking
45:20
on the hot desert sand. Such was what Zainab went
45:24
through, what she had to see endure when she went back to
45:29
Karbala and Arvain. What did she have to say towards
45:32
Abbas? What did she say to Imam Al
45:34
Hussain when she returned? And Allah, when I lay here at
45:41
John, the tragedy of Zainab, you never, you never listen or hear
45:47
the name of Zainab without your heart being in a state of
45:52
mourning. You can't Zainab from the day
45:57
she was born four years of age till the moment that Allah took
46:02
her life constantly. She saw so much say it.
46:06
Constantly. Went through so much and from a
46:10
young age, as you knew to say, like from the death of her
46:13
grandfather of Sol Allah, the attack on the House of her
46:16
mother Fatima and Miral Mumini and her father Hassan and
46:20
Mushdabad, Imam Hussain. And then beyond the Sham, sham,
46:23
Sham, we hit, I don't know any Karbala.
46:28
There's not something easy. And we cry.
46:30
We remember these these moments and we try to relive or try to
46:34
imagine on picture what her eyes saw.
46:37
But Zainab saw something and I should never see I who sees
46:41
their brother's head on the spear.
46:43
You see, as you know, we always say a Salaam Ala Sheikh and
46:46
hafi, which is Miss Salib. We had the tari.
46:49
This is not this is not simple words to imagine.
46:53
And just so that we say it's like.
46:56
On top of all the tragedy that hardship she goes through, she's
47:00
walking with the head of her brother in front of as much as
47:07
as much as we. We yearn to be known as
47:11
Hosseini. We must be yearn yearn to be
47:14
known as zainabi. Everything we strive for in this
47:18
world, we see, she embodies. She embodies.
47:22
We see the oppression, the genocide, we see, we see
47:26
day-to-day violations of goodness and you know, the
47:30
violations of sanctity of human life.
47:33
Everything is found in the way she manifested justice.
47:40
Truly the, the the matter we call that we yearn for is the
47:45
Zainabi call that we mourn, the Husseini call that we mourn.
47:50
They are one in the same. They are one in the same.
47:53
The story of of say the Zainab is, is so, is so important to
47:59
us. We have to adopt it as our
48:00
identity and Inshallah we will be amongst those who she will
48:05
give her Shiva to her intercession for Inshallah.
48:09
Say it may last month. I'll always give you more
48:11
opportunity, mortal field to continue the vicar of Abdullah
48:15
and continue the Massiva of say the Zainab Salam Alayhi Alayhah
48:19
and Shah Allah so that you have the opportunity to do this until
48:24
the last breaths, Inshallah of your life and and Inshallah to
48:28
be given all of the intercession in Dunya and Akhra on the other
48:33
Beetlehem Salam, your, your, your, your lips, your tongue,
48:37
your efforts, your steps that you take in Hidma as a teacher,
48:42
as a speaker, as a scholar. These are not things that we
48:47
should take for granted. We owe you a lot as recipients
48:50
of your wisdom and knowledge, and we ask a lot to always give
48:53
you more and to allow you to share more.
48:54
We are. Everything to eliminate and
48:56
indeed Zainab is not just the people look at her to be a guide
49:01
just for woman but I don't think any man can do that which Zainab
49:06
did. So she's a role model for each
49:09
and every individual. Like you stated that calls
49:11
himself a hosseini, we should now call ourselves Zainab.
49:14
He's in the same light. So inshallah we do owe them
49:17
everything. What we have now, the Adhan
49:20
religion, everything is because Zainab.
49:24
Well firstly it's because Imam Hussein sacrificed himself.
49:27
It's because Zainab protected the message afterwards and
49:30
showcased why ABBA Abdullah died on the 10th of Muharram.
49:36
So I said, I know we're coming out towards the end of the of
49:42
the episode and I just want this to be like a reminder to our
49:46
listeners, our views and to myself.
49:50
We asked a question last week, he and Ahmed, we said like why
49:53
did Imam and Hussain go on this God-given mission, on embarking
49:58
on this journey towards Goofa Ningapa Karvala?
50:02
But I just want to hear it from you saying that the words he
50:05
said of why he left, why he embarked on this journey, the
50:09
Arabic lines and that the translation so that the
50:11
listeners can hear it sharp. This was when he was before he
50:17
left. Yes, because it's such an
50:22
important idea. If there's something to learn
50:25
from Karbala, from the 10 nights we've been commemorating and the
50:28
Maginas we've been attending and the relationship but connection
50:31
we're trying to build our imam, we need to know why.
50:35
A. 100% a hundred. Percent because you said these
50:37
words and it makes you on the side.
50:38
A lot of this is sorry said to cut you off, but while said
50:41
above looking, yeah, a lot of this I believe said.
50:44
Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the sage is also going
50:47
to come to a lot of this in his forthcoming nights, his maginis.
50:50
I've got a sneak peek of his list.
50:52
OK, which is really cool. But I haven't had start.
50:55
I highly well I don't know, but I highly recommend shall
50:58
everyone listens to Sid Abdullah's fascinating lectures.
51:01
We have heard what 4 now and tonight's lecture which which
51:06
was absolutely amazing on Salah was was fascinating.
51:11
But the cause of the Imam and some of the letters which the
51:16
Imam wrote before and even in Karbala, I believe said
51:20
Abdullah's going to talk about in some of his forthcoming
51:22
nights. I think everyone at the
51:24
Charlotte Holmes should should make an effort to listen to.
51:27
So the lines Bismillah Rahman Rahim when Elam Akhrijo Aishiran
51:33
Willa Bataran willa Mufsidan Willa Valima when Namaharajah ET
51:39
label najah Wasalah E omati Jaiti Muhammad Uridu and
51:45
admirable Maroof Wahenha Anil Munkar.
51:49
So he says. I did not rise up for the cause
51:51
of wickedness, amusement, corruption or oppression, but I
51:55
rose up to reform the Muslim community of my grandfather.
51:59
I want to promote good and forbid evil.
52:04
So. So in a nutshell, nutshell
52:07
Islam. Anytime you see Islam is going
52:12
down, you remember that ABBA Abdullah gave us the principles
52:16
to rise up again. That's why whenever you see
52:19
oppression around the world and what's happening, the 1st to
52:22
rise are those that have ABBA Abdullah teaching them the
52:26
principles. And that's why you see on the
52:28
forefronts, it's the lovers of Ali, the lovers of Fatima, the
52:32
lovers of Hussain and Zainab are the 1st to defend against
52:35
oppression because they have these principles of ABBA
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Abdullah established. This wasn't from a letter that
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he wrote to his brother telling him exactly why he's going upon
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this particular movement. And he relayed it back on to us
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to see that this is exactly why he rose.
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This is why he began his movements.
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This is his principles that he stands by.
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And that's the things that we need to learn and hold onto and
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apply to our lives, Inshallah. It's been an amazing episode.
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It's been a beautiful. Episode.
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I I felt like I truly connected and understood the daughter of
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Amir and Romanian better than I did an hour ago.
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So thanks to you and. Honestly saying that you, for
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those listening and watching, say is a very good friend of the
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podcast, but of the podcast, you're like a brother to us and
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we learn from you and we see the sincerity and the purity and the
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service of the work that you do. And Inshallah gives you more to
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fear. There are very few.
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There are very, very, very few people like you, said Abdullah.
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You honour me. And and everyone at home needs
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to know what a man Marshall, why you are.
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Honour me. You are.
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You are such an inspiration to all of us.
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But I'll always give you more inshallah and always allow us to
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be close to you so we can continue to learn from you as
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well. Well, I'm not.
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Thank you so much. Thank you so much for your kind
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words. Shala guys will be back in Shala
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next week. We will.
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We will be, if I'm not mistaken, on the day after Yomala Shore
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and after our Messiah and after our Azhar, we will be reflecting
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on the tragedy of Karbala and talking about what we've learned
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in these nights, these ten nights from Hadram.
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And we ask you in these blessed nights to Please remember us in
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the hour. Please remind us how we can
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improve as well as if you have the opportunity.
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But most importantly, make the most of these nights.
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Shed your tears, beat your chest, be unapologetic in your
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Azhar and in your your morning for Abdullah Hosea le Salaam and
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remind yourselves that this is our identity and that we connect
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to Alas Pandala through this. And in sha Allah, we will
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continue our goal to continue talking about this in the coming
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weeks. We'll be back next week, sha
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Allah, and we'll see you soon, Salaam alaikum.
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We'll have to live on a card.