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Women of Worship 2022 | Guest Rachel Marie Kang Enneagram Four · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Amy Wicks, a Jesus and Enneagram enthusiast.
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SPEAKER_00: As a wife, mom of three humans, and a fur baby, I get it.
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SPEAKER_00: Juggling entrepreneurship in a family is challenging.
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SPEAKER_00: But I believe the Lord does want your work to be enjoyable.
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SPEAKER_00: As an Enneagram type 7, I am all about the fun factor.
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SPEAKER_00: And this podcast is here to help you put the joy back into working mom life.
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SPEAKER_00: So you can see 1 Timothy 6.17 come to pass in your own thing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a verse that says, God has given us all things to enjoy.
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SPEAKER_00: All friends, it means all.
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SPEAKER_00: Motherhood, work from home life, or work out of the home life.
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SPEAKER_00: With the Lord's help, there's truly a way to feel calm, balance, joy, clarity, and peace in any arena of life.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast, where you can expect solo-style and interview-style episodes that are full of faith-based concepts, simple ideas, Enneagram insights, alongside practical tips to help you put that smile back on your face when it comes to doing life with Jesus.
1:16
SPEAKER_00: Now get your headphones and head to that big pile of dishes in the sink, or maybe that bathroom that needed cleaning two weeks ago.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: And let's get to learning together.
1:50
SPEAKER_00: Now, last week I had an inspiring conversation about why getting in the Word is so crucial.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: So if you haven't checked that out, it's episode 227 and I highly recommend it.
2:01
SPEAKER_00: Now, in today's episode, I'm chatting with Rachel Marie Kong about all things worship.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: And wow, it was a pure joy to spend a half an hour with her.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: Now, Rachel is an Enneagram 4 and definitely a wing five.
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SPEAKER_00: And she really I found her such a role model as it comes to appreciating beauty around her, including and maybe even specifically in this conversation, the beauty of worship.
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SPEAKER_00: She really almost redefines what you can count as worship in your life.
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SPEAKER_00: In today's conversation, we also dive into how God is a strategic God, a brilliant God, which are unique qualities that maybe some of us other Enneagram types may not associate God with.
2:49
SPEAKER_00: Rachel's Enneagram type is so curious, and because of that, she really has a beautiful ability to write and articulate so many things about the Lord and about worship in a way that others might miss or maybe not even notice.
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SPEAKER_00: It really is a gift to learn from other Enneagram types around us.
3:06
SPEAKER_00: And I think you're gonna love this one.
3:21
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: All right.
3:24
SPEAKER_00: I like to ask when we get started if we got to peek in your window, what would we see?
3:30
SPEAKER_00: Give us a little glimpse of your world and um yeah, just what life looks like for you.
3:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you were to peek in my window, you would see dishes stacked in the dish, the sink right now.
3:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, you would see toys all over the floor with empty bottles and blankets, and there's a pile of laundry.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: I am in full on motherhood mode right now.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: Let's go ahead and call that a word.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: Mother was that mother mode?
4:02
SPEAKER_01: That's like pretty much accurate.
4:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I mean, my days are full.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: They're wild cards.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: Um, every day is something different.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: I have two young boys, uh, Milo, he's four or going to be four in a few days, and Arrow is just under one.
4:21
SPEAKER_01: And so some nights I get sleep and some nights I don't.
4:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, the fridge runs empty very frequently.
4:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, I can't leave my stuff around because it ends up in the toilet.
4:33
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, full on mode.
4:35
SPEAKER_00: Full on.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: You are in the thick of it, I like to say.
4:40
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that is true.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm up to my eyeballs and teenagers, but it feels like yesterday when it was 33 and under.
4:48
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, what?
4:50
SPEAKER_00: How do I breathe?
4:52
SPEAKER_00: How do I shower?
4:53
SPEAKER_00: What is normal?
4:54
SPEAKER_00: Which way is up?
4:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
4:57
SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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SPEAKER_00: They're special, but it's its own unique.
5:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, I like to call it the learning to die to yourself and a you know, just a whole nother stripping of self and you know, ushering us into a season of selflessness that is like no other.
5:14
SPEAKER_00: And you know, it it does it does change us and uh it enriches us, but man, it is hard some days.
5:23
SPEAKER_01: It is hard.
5:24
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I I I do love what you said, and it does enrich us.
5:29
SPEAKER_01: And you know, I I find myself captivated and wonder so many moments out of the day, and um just said to my husband tonight during dinner, like we're looking at our youngest, and he's gonna be one in just a year, and like we marvel at how big he is.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, if he's on the other side of the table, like we see the little fuzz from his hair, and I'm just on the edge, and I'm just like, oh my gosh, he's tall enough for me to see him like walking on the other side of the table.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: And just there are so many times a day where I stop to say, You boys are so cute, like I just can't stop saying that.
6:07
SPEAKER_01: And and honestly, it it like I'm so thankful for these moments, they're exhausting, and I'm tired, and it would be nice for a vacation, but like I I just am so captivated, and I love that that that is a gift in motherhood, is that we do have our eyes open to something that really is enriching us.
6:29
SPEAKER_01: So I wouldn't have it any other way.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, that beautifully said, of course, because Rachel, I you just have a way with words, and we're gonna talk about some of that and your passion and your heart.
6:41
SPEAKER_00: I I know that I don't even remember how we got connected on Instagram, but you just have a way, and they are art and it's uh your creative expression.
6:51
SPEAKER_00: And so I I love how you articulated that.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know it's gonna bless mamas who are listening today.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: I have some curiosity though that I would love for you to expand on a little bit, and that is what is your Enneagram type?
7:06
SPEAKER_00: And tell us a little bit about your journey and all of that.
7:08
SPEAKER_00: I I know I have lots of questions.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: Sure, I do love this question.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: So I am an Enneagram four with a five-wing, and it has been um a very illuminating journey.
7:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, I found this out, I think I would say in 2019.
7:30
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I mean, I tested as a two originally, um, went through some trainings, discovered that that was way off.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't typically get angry at things, but when I, you know, there was there were some things that kind of riled up within me, and I was like, I am not a two.
7:54
SPEAKER_01: No, we are we need to work through this right now.
7:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, so that put me on a journey.
8:00
SPEAKER_01: Um one that eventually led me to finding out that I am a four wing with a four with a five wing.
8:07
SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, I just uh there's a lot that I could say about that.
8:12
SPEAKER_01: I think the biggest thing is I have been able to look back on my life and see that very prevalent thread of my personality in so many instances.
8:24
SPEAKER_01: And so really it's brought so much um healing and reconciliation for me to um see who, you know, how I have been all this time, and also to see that it wasn't at all bad, you know, that there was some good.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah.
8:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I don't I don't know what other questions you want to ask about that, but I love talking about my fourness.
8:49
SPEAKER_00: I so value what you just said there because you articulated the depth of uh and the gift of Enneagram coaching.
9:00
SPEAKER_00: In fact, when you talked about you followed that thread and that the the narrative, right?
9:06
SPEAKER_00: Of our history.
9:08
SPEAKER_00: And you go back to those places where we first like heard those words in our head or felt that shame, or for you, you didn't belong.
9:21
SPEAKER_00: And and and you can begin to go, oh, that's why I saw the world that way.
9:26
SPEAKER_00: That's why I experienced that situation.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: And and in that, and that whole process for me, like what I do with a lot of my coaching clients is we we unpack that, of course, in a safe place, right?
9:37
SPEAKER_00: And you just you get to like, oh, there's just something so freeing when you get to tell that part of your story and and then have an understanding of why you experienced it that way.
9:48
SPEAKER_00: But then we invite Jesus in there and go, oh, oh yeah, where was he?
9:53
SPEAKER_00: What was he?
9:54
SPEAKER_00: What was he saying actually in that time when I heard I didn't belong or that I didn't fit or I needed to change myself, you know, who I was to to have people or community or have a family who accepted me.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: Instead, we hear those messages from Christ that we were fully loved, loved, and belong and accepted and all of those pieces that bring so much healing.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: So you articulated that so succinctly.
10:19
SPEAKER_00: Well done.
10:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:21
SPEAKER_01: Well, even just to piggyback off what you said, too, like beyond that, it it does bring this healing for yourself.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: And then there is this layer where you do, you are able to look back and see, God, where have you been?
10:35
SPEAKER_01: What have you brought me through?
10:37
SPEAKER_01: What have you protected me from?
10:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, all these different angles.
10:41
SPEAKER_01: But it also like it's this inward journey, but it's so outward, and it really does allow you to see the other people in your life.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: And so those in your family or friends, um, maybe communities that you've been a part of where you're able to look back and you you maybe see that perhaps you are seeing things through, you know, a skewed perspective, or, you know, and so there's just it really is this grand kind of reconciliation where you come to terms with who you are, who you could be, um, who God has always been, but then you're able to love people even better because you there's just this thread of understanding, you know, or forgiveness or um humility, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, it's it's definitely a good tool.
11:34
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
11:35
SPEAKER_00: I think it just builds that muscle of compassion because it gives us an opportunity through words and language to kind of put, you know, walk in someone else's shoes.
11:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, this is why I see it so differently or experience it so differently.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: I know, even, you know, coming from a family of four kids, the oldest of four, and wondering like, how did we all come from the same parents?
11:57
SPEAKER_00: I know why it happened, and just going, oh, it's personality, it's it's we just have different lenses on and all of that.
12:06
SPEAKER_00: I the one thing I did want to go back to at least, and there's so much to talk about, so we won't belabor this, but I would love to hear a little bit about your experience of unpacking your five wing because wings are something, it's kind of like the next level Enneagram 201.
12:21
SPEAKER_00: I get the question a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: I hear some really funny answers when I ask people to.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: And I I'm of the mindset that the awesome, you know, the the trajectory that we're on is to be using both wings.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: So we stop flying in circles.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of my saying.
12:37
SPEAKER_00: But it's super helpful to really have an understanding and awareness of what our strong dominant wing is.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: So tell us a little bit about the five wing and your relate to that because I I definitely see it show up and I think it's beautiful.
12:55
SPEAKER_01: I am gushing over the fact that you said you see that show up.
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SPEAKER_01: That makes me so happy.
13:01
SPEAKER_01: And I thank you for saying that because I really have come to love that part of me.
13:09
SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, I that five wing is so crucial to who it uh there are times where I'm like, I don't know, am I a five?
13:19
SPEAKER_01: With like I just love that five wing.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: And um, that was actually the the the little element that kind of helped me in my discovery of realizing I wasn't a two, um, you know, kind of going back into that training.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: And um, the five was my that second runner-up.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: And so as we were going through things, I was like, oh my gosh, I do not care if people love me.
13:42
SPEAKER_01: Like I I promise you I am not a two, you know.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: But when I um looked at that, those second runner-ups, uh, the five was was there as my highest.
13:55
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh my gosh, that's little me.
13:59
SPEAKER_01: Like that's who I was my whole life as a little girl, just creating worlds in her head and observing and and stealing away from, you know, and just so um that was a huge part of me unpacking, like, wow, this part of me that that I actually had always felt like I needed to repress for various reasons, you know.
14:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, that that um streak is very strong in me.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: And I'm glad that I've been able to uh name it and notice it and and nurture it.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: Um and I will say it has been a part of me that that really in this season of life that I find myself in has allowed me or just uh I don't know, led me to be a little like love God in a newer and a deeper way.
14:51
SPEAKER_01: Um so the five were very cerebral in our heads, um, just always observing, analyzing all the good stuff.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: Um and the thing that I have come to just really center on about God in this past year is just how strategic he is.
15:11
SPEAKER_01: And I I mean we always, yeah, right.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: Like we always focus on his love and his faithfulness and and all these things that are that are good that will never change, that are absolutely 100 who he is, but he's also strategic.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: He's a he is a brilliant, smart um God who exists in and without time and uh just moved mount moves, just moves now, but for the here and the later.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm just I am blown away um by the five, you know, that all that God has in his own character.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so that I would say has probably been a really um delightful thing to happen upon is just um you know, we you think of four, you think creative and um always creating something, right?
16:07
SPEAKER_01: And that's really easy to think of that in terms of God.
16:11
SPEAKER_01: We have the creation story, God who is always making things new, making things come alive.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: But that strategic, you know, part, even going beyond God, like even seeing that in Jesus, where he was strategic in in his plan and his purpose on this earth has really captivated me.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh I think the connection to curiosity and wonder runs deeper with that combination of four wing five, because it's the it's seeing what's missing or what others don't notice combined with this quest and insatiable appetite for knowledge.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: And so therefore, the knowledge kind of begets the curiosity, but curiosity begets wonder.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: And so all of that combined, I really see that.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: And I honestly, for me, a lot of times when I'm, you know, looking through the and just reading through stuff on Instagram, social media, whatever, I can always, or even picking up a book, I'm like, I bet this person is either a four-wing five or a five-wing four, because they just write in such a distinct way that I greatly deeply admire.
17:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's not all the same, but there's just that that tone and the note, and again, that the ability to capture what others miss or don't even know how to articulate.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: You guys just nail it.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: So it's wonderful.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: It's a gift, it's a gift for sure.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
17:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we learn lots from other numbers too.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: I have to say, I have a lot of sevens and threes in my life right now.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: I I'm in awe of them.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's beautiful to see all the different giftings and skills and things that we all um bring out of each other.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: So thank you for that.
18:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: Well, as a seven myself, I think I'm so in, yep.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm so enthralled with especially the five because it's my line of growth.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: So I I aspire to walk out, you know, walk away with more of those character traits or going, okay, how do you do this?
18:22
SPEAKER_00: And not that I'm gonna become like them, but how can I, you know, put that in my tool belt or practice that a little bit more or or or mimic in a way of like and following in their example.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: Okay, what path did they take?
18:36
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I should try that too.
18:38
SPEAKER_00: So, um, so anyway, I just I love it.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: But that is obviously why I'm an Enneagram coach because I just think this is such a great tool.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: So it's fun.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: I could uh obviously talk about this all day long.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: My friends know this.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: But the other thing that I really love to talk about that I do think go hand in hand obviously is a relationship with Jesus.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: So this podcast will be five years old in March, which I cannot believe.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: But since 2017, we've been going for wholehearted rhythms at the beginning of the year.
19:10
SPEAKER_00: And it's just this setting this intention.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: As a seven, it's not natural for me to go slow, but I have been learning this over the years, and kids have helped refine that.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: But but it's just this kind of this invitation to the community and to our friends like, hey, let's let's enter into each year slowly, let's figure out what our new rhythm is because it's this opportunity to start fresh, to borrow from somebody else, to outgrow things, to put things away that aren't working anymore, or dump them out because they're dead and God, we don't need them.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: So we we've been talking about word and getting in the word of God, but this week is about worship.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: And I I think it's really fun that you're not a worship artist.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: You're not like making labels, making music out there, or even necessarily leading a church in worship, but you are a woman, a a mother, a writer, a wife, a Jesus lover.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: You are you are engaging in worship.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: And I know it's part of your rhythm, it's part of your your practice.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: And so I just I just love for you to share what does it look like for you, a woman who wears all of these hats, uh, to engage in worship on a regular basis, especially as you set your intentions for this year ahead.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, well, it's funny that you mentioned I'm a writer and not necessarily a recording artist or or out there with a label, which is just so funny because my uh root or my beginning, I guess you could say, is music and and my beginning in church is leading worship.
20:51
SPEAKER_01: I was a worship leader, and that is something that I enjoyed and I loved, and it was good for a season, but I ultimately stepped away from that because I felt, you know, I don't know, there's a million words I could probably use, but I I was drawn to write and to explore that even more.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, that was years ago, almost 10 years ago, and here I am now.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: But as far as the many different hats that I wear, I am finding rhythms or my grounding, I should say, in worship in instances and practices where I'm not necessarily showing off those hats, you know, on social media.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: And so for me, in in this season, my worship looks a lot like being in nature and being connected to honestly, like the elements, it it really is.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I was driving the other day, and um, I just took a good amount of time to observe how bright the sun was and how blinding it was.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: You know, our family, we go.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: On a lot of walks now and long trails, and we spend time we live near a lake, and that's it's been just so formative to me in this season that I'm in.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: And so people on Instagram aren't there with me at the lake, they're not with me as I'm, you know, staring out at the sunrise or the sunset, you know, in the morning when I'm up with my my almost one year old, you know, and so that I think is so key to worship is that there needs to be a piece of it that is so personal and so private.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and and honestly, going back to like music, that's what music was for me before even leading worship in the church.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: I was always kind of huddled up in my journal, writing songs and verses and just pouring out my heart before God and and seeking out him for who, for who he was.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, um, that's that's one of my biggest rhythms right now.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm not even big on the word rhythm because you know that's always changing too, but yes, it is.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's um that's probably the biggest thing for me right now is finding myself because when it comes to nature, it's always consistent.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: And and I'm learning that about God too, is you know, there is this consistency that is displayed um in the crashing waves of of the lake or in the rising sun.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: And I'm it's preaching to me and showing me like this God who is just you cannot escape his glory.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: You cannot help but be led into worship by these things that are ever so present.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: And so, and that's probably because you know, we're in the middle of a pandemic and I'm home all the time.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: So it's about all I've got.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that you you pointed that out because I know a few years ago we were, I was able to have a a good friend of mine, and she, you know, leads the worship team at church.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: And and you know, we got to touch on that element of corporate worship.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: And I there to me, the gift of corporate worship, it's distinct and it's unique, it's it's really valuable.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: But I think what comes first is the unseen, the intimacy, the the intimate connection that we cultivate really when we do practice worship, or even kind of what you touch on here is adoration.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: I love that um you get just, you know, it's the nitty-gritty, right?
24:44
SPEAKER_00: Because you can be in the car with your kids and you can gaze in awe and wonder and and worship, and you can be about your house, and you can you can practice that worship rhythm.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: For you, what is it, what does it look like to invite your kids into that process?
25:06
SPEAKER_00: Because there's that like it's just me and you, Lord, and I really love that, but then it gets interrupted.
25:14
SPEAKER_00: Or we do want to share it with our kids too, because we want them to understand the value or to understand what we're doing.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: For you, what does that look like, especially with littles?
25:24
SPEAKER_00: And you've got one that's four who kind of can start getting some of that stuff, and then that one-year-old, almost one year old, such a precious stage.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: The almost one-year-old, he's not there just yet.
25:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the four-year-old, gosh, he's he's totally there.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: And I know that you know, even the pandemic has accelerated that because we've had to grapple with such weighty topics.
25:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, and so we we are, he is sometimes there more than I want to be, you know, and um and so uh yeah, I mean, logistically, is it are they distracting?
26:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, yeah.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: Like crazy amounts.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: But to be honest with you, um, I I find that my four-year-old distracts me into thinking about some of the things that I myself don't want to think about.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's constantly asking me about God and about death and about you know the stars.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, just the other day we were talking, yeah, like he's said, I don't want to be a human anymore.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Me too.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about that.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about it.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, um, one of the spirit seriously.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, but prayer is is a huge thing for us.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: And um, in those moments when we don't know what to say, um, we turn to prayer together.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: And that has been something that just has, I know, sustained both of us and me and my five brain, right?
27:01
SPEAKER_01: And then this four-year-old that um, yeah, he's 30 years younger than me, but he's still grappling with the same things that I am and trying to wrap his head around who is God?
27:13
SPEAKER_01: Who is this Jesus?
27:15
SPEAKER_01: So um absolutely it's been prayer for us.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Well, I have a few fun questions here that I want to get to.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: It's just we're all again, if we're listening to this in January, we're all thinking about um, you know, what we want to do this year and all these different things.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: But do you have a practical step or two that you want to encourage mamas with again, other women like you who are, you know, doing pursuing their dream and their calling, maybe the entrepreneur life, right?
27:49
SPEAKER_00: And for those of you who are doing the entrepreneur thing or writing, you know, like you have to wear 10 different hats.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not just one thing, much to all of our chagrin, especially the withdrawing types where you're like, I have to keep putting myself out there.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: What?
28:05
SPEAKER_00: I have to do what so for all of us who are juggling all of these things, what's just a practical thing, encouragement that you want to give to them as they as they're like exploring what does worship look like this year for me?
28:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, do it with a friend.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: Do it with a friend.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: I would not be half the woman I am today if it wasn't for one of my dearest friends, and she knows who she is, and we go back and forth every single day, if not every single day, that we are constantly in communication and we are grappling with what it's like raising our kids and watching them grow up as we're also trying to grow up ourselves, and we're starting businesses and we're juggling all the things and we're dropping dishes and plates, and but then we're also seeing ourselves cross these milestones, and it's it's wild, and you need someone to celebrate with, and you need someone to cry with, and you need someone who's gonna call you out, and you need someone who you can call them out and say, I know you better than this, and it's putting on all these different hats of writer, um, business owner, um worker, mom, it's all so vulnerable already, but it helps to have those few people that one friend um that you can turn to and that you can share where you are so incompetent, you know, or so excited.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:41
SPEAKER_01: So have a friend invest in a friend.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh, that is like some of the best advice ever.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: And coming from a four-wing five, just gonna throw that out there.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: That's not necessarily necessarily natural.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: So it's not close to you.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: It's not.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for calling that out.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's good.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: Such a sign of growth.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, our rapid fire questions today that we're gonna end on.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: First one is what's a new rhythm or a habit that you're trying out this year?
30:13
SPEAKER_01: I am working out.
30:15
SPEAKER_01: I um you go, girl.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: Go, girl.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: I've been waking up even when I'm tired.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm dealing with some thyroid issues, and so I have to push myself a little bit harder than I usually do.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, I work out in my the stairwell in my my town home, and it is perfect because you can do anything on the stairs.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: And you can also rest while you're like working out your legs and you can do your arms while you're it's perfect.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: So I highly recommend blast some rock and roll and just do it.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: Just get it done over with.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna feel great.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: So rock and roll.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: What is it that's blurring in the in your ears?
30:55
SPEAKER_01: All right, we'll just give a confession.
30:57
SPEAKER_01: Breaking Benjamin.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: Super old.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: Old stuff.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: It's the old stuff, man.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: It gets me moving too.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I do keep up with a few of the trends, but not many.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: It's mostly the oldies and the goodies.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: That's the only way.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: It's so fun.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, kudos to you and the stairwell, you are brilliant.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: It just proves hey, no matter what space you're working with, you can make it work.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: You go.
31:27
SPEAKER_00: I'm celebrating that.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: So the worship song that you have on repeat, maybe this last month or maybe these last two years.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: I have a few of those.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: Gosh, um, I'm trying to think of what I don't even know what the name of it is because it's from a smaller uh artist that I just discovered.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: I think her name is Yalitsa, and I believe she's Portuguese.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: And the song is in Portuguese, but it's also in English.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't tell you the name, but uh it's but it's so beautiful.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: It's so beautiful.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: And so I randomly heard it from my husband's playlist, and I think it's Where Would I Be?
32:08
SPEAKER_01: And then like in Portuguese, like I'm not even gonna try, but it's Where Would I Be?
32:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know her last name, but just beautiful, simple song that brings you kind of back to that first moment when you your life was really just changed, you know.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, we all have that moment where you kind of like God really becomes real and um that epiphany.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: And so it just it instantly brought me back.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: And it was just a simple song.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: It's just a simple song about like his sacrifice and where would I be without that?
32:41
SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, good.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: So good.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: Well, your job is to send me the link and we'll be sure and put it in the show notes because my friends are gonna want to check this out.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: I know I got it.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: You got to add it to the playlist.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay, for you, some years this is easier for me than others.
32:59
SPEAKER_00: This year has been a little bit more challenging, but uh, word or scripture for 2022 that is, I don't know, sometimes those words they just like somehow flitter out of fine air and they come land on me in unexpected moments.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you know, sometimes it's like boom, you know, it's almost like lightning and it's right there.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: And I know for you, have you had any of those again epiphanies for this year that you're kind of exploring or taking with you?
33:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was excited to um kind of touch this question when I saw it.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: I haven't had a word since really the pandemic's uh pandemic started.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's multiple ones.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: Um so I use sometimes I have words I haven't had any for the past couple of years, but I do know that this year 2022 is filled with so much.
33:53
SPEAKER_01: I have my first book coming out.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm already having to, you know, start working on my second book, lots of things happening.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, but probably the biggest and the scariest is I am attempting to start my own business this year.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: And so um I think to answer this question, I don't have an official word for the year, but business would definitely kind of fit that bill.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: So just building exciting.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, yes.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Well, we'll be cheering you on for sure.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna want to follow that that journey and see that unfold as a fellow businesswoman.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's so nerve-wracking, and yet when we're called to it, there's so much joy to be found and and reward and and and and even just like solidifying purpose of like, oh yeah, I was made to do this.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's there's just nothing like that feeling, whatever it is, whether it's writing a book and seeing it in print or coaching that client or you know, putting that website together and all the pieces work.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: So true.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: So true.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: It's good.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, Rachel, thank you so much for your time.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: And I can't wait to share this with all my people and my people to share it with their people.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: This was such a gift.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Amy.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: I I loved talking with you and I'm excited to get to know you better now, too.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, so this is a joy.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: I do prayerfully co-create each series with the Lord.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: So I would love to have you go back and listen to past seasons.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: There's always new and different things to learn each year.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: And you could go back and listen as far as back as 2018.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: And if you are a Facebook follower, well, you go clear back to 2017 and learn all the different things that I've taught over the years about these wholehearted rhythm pillars.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: Now, recently, one of you amazing listeners sent me a voice message after listening to the episode on being a woman in the word.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: And her words meant so much to me.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: I thought I might share them here.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: I don't often do that, but it would, I thought it would be just something fun and different.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: But this listener, she said she doesn't often re-listen to podcast episodes, but she wanted to re-listen to last week's episode 227.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: She even shared a screenshot of this episode and her Instagram stories and recommended her friends to listen to that episode as they begin 2022, even if that was the only episode that they listened to the entire year.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: And that was such a sweet and very kind compliment.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'll tell you what, the Lord is so good to send us encouragement on the days we need it, and I definitely needed it that day.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: So I would love to know if God speaks to you through any of these episodes, please tag me on stories on Instagram or Facebook, or um, you know, send me a message, a direct message or something.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: And you can tag me wholehearted Enneagram on Instagram or Facebook.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: I really would love and be so honored to see you sharing a screenshot after you've listened to an episode or maybe a picture of you listening while you're on a walk or doing the dishes.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: Not while you're driving, though.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: That's the only thing.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: Don't take a picture of that.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: But I would just love it if um I just knew where you're listening and what you're doing while uh you're learning alongside me.
37:27
SPEAKER_00: Now, friends, I want you to remember as well in this season that you were created on purpose for purpose.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: And one of the purposes that you might have is to be the mom your kids need and that you are the unique one to love them.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: And I pray that you walk confidently in that truth today, no matter what you're putting your hands to right now.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: Now, next week we're diving into the third wholehearted rhythm pillar of writing.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: And that is such a powerful practice to add to your daily rhythms.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: I can't wait to share that conversation with you.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: I'll see you next week, friends.