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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Skyning's Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price in for
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Speaker 2: Peter tonight, and the pressure you've got to say is
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Speaker 2: piling up on Ambassador doctor Kevin rad as he likes
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Speaker 2: to be called. My view on all of that in
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Speaker 2: a moment. Here's what's coming up on Kredline tonight. State
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Speaker 2: governments around Australia constantly battle to keep our streets safe.
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Speaker 2: We're in the middle of a youth crime crisis, so
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Speaker 2: the last thing anyone needs is a police strike or
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Speaker 2: a go slope. That's exactly what his planned for Victoria tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: New South Wales has agreed to a police pay rise,
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Speaker 2: not Victoria. I'll talk to the state opposition about that shortly.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, the global warming Zealos, they fired up their
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Speaker 2: private jets to caucus in Baku in Azerbaijan this week.
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Speaker 2: It's COP twenty nine. The main aim to convince rich nations,
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Speaker 2: including Australia US to give money to poorer nations to
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Speaker 2: battle global warming. Up to a trillion dollar could be
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Speaker 2: on the table. Graham Lloyd from the Australian newspaper, We'll
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Speaker 2: have a look at that for us tonight as well,
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Speaker 2: and we'll talk to our panel about the latest developments
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Speaker 2: around the disinformation legislation and a dangerous development around cigarette
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Speaker 2: labeling with crazy demands being made and being Wednesday night,
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Speaker 2: our favorite regular Kel Richards will join us. But first,
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd, or Doctor Rudd as he likes to be called,
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Speaker 2: surely cannot stay as Australia's ambassador when Donald Trump is
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Speaker 2: sworn in at the end of January next year. If
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Speaker 2: Rudd had any sense of duty, he would voluntarily resign,
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Speaker 2: just like the UK Ambassador Kim Durreck did back in
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when his private views and memos will leak
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Speaker 2: to the media showing he had labeled President Trump dysfunctional
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Speaker 2: and inept. Now, compared with what Rudd has said about
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Speaker 2: President Trump, the UK diplomat was almost praiseworthy now, as
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Speaker 2: our colleague Schari Marksen on Monday night, Kevin thought it
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Speaker 2: very funny to refer to the former and soon to
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Speaker 2: be again president as a villeged idiot. So is that
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Speaker 2: changes in China's favor, and as the United States in
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Speaker 2: the last four years has been run by a village idiot.
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Speaker 2: Now the prime Minister was yesterday in Tasmania. He took
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Speaker 2: a couple of questions about Ambassador Rudd's future and then
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Speaker 2: he decided that's enough and walked away.
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Speaker 3: He's Keaven right, the right person to the US ambassador.
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Speaker 2: Yes, awkward of course for him, because Albanezim himself is
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Speaker 2: at some music festival in a T shirt a few
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Speaker 2: years back and had his own view about the new president.
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Speaker 4: Well, you've got to deal with who was elected. So
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Speaker 4: we're have an alliance with the US. We're going to
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Speaker 4: deal with him. But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical
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Speaker 4: about it. He scared it out of me and I
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Speaker 4: think it's some concern that the leader of the free
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Speaker 4: world thinks that you can conduct politics through one hundred
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Speaker 4: and forty characters on Twitter.
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Speaker 2: That's your prime Minister. We beat the swear words. And
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Speaker 2: then of course current UK MP Nigel Farage he asked
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump on behalf of the Sky News audience a
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Speaker 2: few months back what he thought of Kevin. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Would you have a phone call. He
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Speaker 2: won't be there long if that's the case. I don't
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Speaker 2: know much about him. I heard he was a little
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Speaker 2: bit nasty.
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Speaker 5: I hear he's not the brightest bulb, but I don't
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Speaker 5: know much about him.
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Speaker 2: But if he's at all hostile, he will not be
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Speaker 2: there long. You think this is going to end in tears? Now,
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Speaker 2: clearly the Australian US alliance is bigger than Rudd. But
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Speaker 2: we need them the US, a lot more than they
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Speaker 2: need us. And now diplomat in Washington will play a
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Speaker 2: pivotal role in arguing against tariff targets. Has happened the
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Speaker 2: last time the publicans were in the White House, and
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Speaker 2: of course to maintain the Aucus timetable. Now, I've been
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Speaker 2: interested to watch over the past twenty four hours or
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Speaker 2: so the coalition, everyone from Peter Dutton down twisting and
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Speaker 2: turning on the issue. Now, I'm sure they would love
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Speaker 2: to dump Rudd, but they're too afraid it would be
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Speaker 2: a bad look. Now. Deputy Leader Susan Lay she was
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Speaker 2: on Sky this morning. Now she's normally rabbid in confronting
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government, but even she decided to take the
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Speaker 2: diplomatic route.
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Speaker 6: I do wish him well because when he does well
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Speaker 6: as our ambassador, then Australia does well with respect to
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Speaker 6: our relationship with the US.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, I don't need to be as polite as
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Speaker 2: Susan Lay was today. Rudd is a pompous grandstander who
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Speaker 2: thinks he is the smartest bloke in the world. Stories
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Speaker 2: are legend about his explosive temper. When he was Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister himself, he took strips off a flight crew member
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Speaker 2: on a raft jet. He lost his bottle trying to
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Speaker 2: record a message written by a staffer. As a private
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Speaker 2: but citizen, he ran a campaign urging governments to hold
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Speaker 2: a Royal commission into the company that owns Sky News.
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Speaker 2: And I've revealed in the past that Rudd sent a
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Speaker 2: letter to the editor of the Herald Sun newspaper that
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Speaker 2: I write for. This was back in May twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 2: in response was to a column that I'd written mentioning Rudd. Now,
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Speaker 2: among other things, he called me a gutless coward water
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Speaker 2: off for ducks back for me. But it gives an
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Speaker 2: insight into the thinking of the bloke that he could
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Speaker 2: care less what I write about him. I mean, he
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Speaker 2: loves a vendetta and he just might find himself a
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Speaker 2: victim of someone else who loves to pay people back
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Speaker 2: who criticize him. That bloke Sadly for our Kevin is
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Speaker 2: about to move into the White House, said to Cameron
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Speaker 2: Now for Tonight's Political Headlines with Sky News political reporter
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Speaker 2: cam Redden Good.
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Speaker 7: Evening, one of Donald Trump's senior advisers has issued a
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Speaker 7: veiled warning about the future of Kevin Rudd as Australia's
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Speaker 7: ambassador to the United States. Trump aid Dan Scovino shared
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Speaker 7: this post with an hourglass on social media in response
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Speaker 7: to a post from mister Rudd congratulating the President elect.
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Speaker 7: It comes after a string of the ambassador's past comments
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Speaker 7: about Donald Trump resurfaced.
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Speaker 2: And as the United States in the last four years
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Speaker 2: has been run by a village idiot. Donald as we know,
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Speaker 2: is not a leading intellectual force.
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Speaker 8: Anyone concerned with the public policy process, domestic or international,
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Speaker 8: thinks he's nuts.
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Speaker 7: The government insists his position is tenable.
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Speaker 1: He is clearly focused on building our relationship across the spectrum,
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Speaker 1: but very much with a future Trump administration.
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Speaker 7: The Opposition also supports doctor Rudd staying on, but the
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Speaker 7: risks were ones that the government chose to take.
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Speaker 9: The PM and Ambassador Rudd have to put Australia's interest first.
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Speaker 7: As the second Trump administration takes shape. The Albanese government
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Speaker 7: is preparing for a new chapter in US Australia relations
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Speaker 7: on matters of economics.
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Speaker 4: It's in the United States interest to trade fairly with
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Speaker 4: Australia and regional security.
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Speaker 1: I mean, so much of the way in which our
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Speaker 1: relationship out full bilateral relationship between Australia and America plays out,
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Speaker 1: happens through the prism of defense wages.
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Speaker 7: Growth has slowed, coming in below market expectations. Pay packets
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Speaker 7: grew by point eight of a percent in the September
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Speaker 7: quarter and three point five percent over the past year.
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Speaker 7: It's the slowest rate of growth since December twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 7: but is still tracking above the rate of inflation. To
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Speaker 7: get productivity moving, the Treasurer has proposed a nine hundred
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Speaker 7: million dollar incentive fund for states and territories to boost
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Speaker 7: their productivity.
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Speaker 10: We're trying to apply new thinking to the challenge.
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Speaker 1: Productivity is one of the most fundamental economic challenges that
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Speaker 1: we are facing.
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Speaker 7: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for that. Now, plenty of other news to get
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Speaker 2: across tonight, so let's bring in our panel tonight. Joining me,
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Speaker 2: Senior reporter Caroline Marcusan Senior Fellow at the Menzies Research Center,
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Speaker 2: Nick Kata, Caroline, Nick, welcome, great to see you both.
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Speaker 2: Just watching a bit of Chris Kenny there and he
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Speaker 2: mentioned this story out of Melbourne this morning. When I
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Speaker 2: read it in the Herald Son, I couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 2: You've got a singer songwriter by the name of Hailey
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Speaker 2: Mary delicious name, it's more like hail Mary. She's copying
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Speaker 2: this huge backlash. What was her crime? She dared to
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Speaker 2: post this photo of herself wearing a Maga hat, which
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Speaker 2: was meant as part of a protest against Labour's Misinformation Bill.
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Speaker 2: She feels strongly about it. Mary took to talk back
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Speaker 2: this morning. She's not backing down. Have a listen.
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Speaker 8: In my industry, that's exactly the kind of thing you
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Speaker 8: cannot do or you will be canceled.
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Speaker 4: And I thought that's also part of the point.
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Speaker 6: So I decided to do it, and I wrote about
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Speaker 6: the Misinformation Bill in the post wearing a Baga hat
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Speaker 6: and said, look, I know I'm going to get a
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Speaker 6: camp for this, but I think it's worth it.
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Speaker 3: And you know what you expect to happen did happen.
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Speaker 2: I am canceled. We'll see her on the Bolt Report tonight, Caroline. Look,
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Speaker 2: I confess I'd never heard of her before this, but
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Speaker 2: her band is quite well known around Australia. She was
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Speaker 2: making a point about the Disinformation Bill. Who cares what
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Speaker 2: sort of hat she was wearing.
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Speaker 10: Well, clearly a lot of people. And it just shows
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Speaker 10: Steve how strong trump derangement syndrome still is in spite
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Speaker 10: of his huge victory in both the popular vote and
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Speaker 10: the electoral college in the US. It shows no signs
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Speaker 10: of abating anytime soon, and nor does cancel culture apparently,
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Speaker 10: especially when it comes to the arts. Look, you've got
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Speaker 10: to applaud her moral courage because she operates in an
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Speaker 10: industry that is absolutely captured by this sort of progressive,
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Speaker 10: far left politics that they can't even listen or read
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Speaker 10: the words she's say saying about this misinformation bill, and
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Speaker 10: she made some really good points about how it was
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Speaker 10: being rushed through Parliament while everyone was too busy watching
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Speaker 10: what was happening in the US for the election, and
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Speaker 10: her fears about what it might mean for people's free
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Speaker 10: speech no matter what side of the political oh you're on,
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Speaker 10: depending on who the government of the day is. If
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Speaker 10: that information is considered not favorable to whatever narrative they have,
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Speaker 10: then it could be dismissed as misinformation and people could
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Speaker 10: face serious penalties and prosecution for that. So she made
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Speaker 10: some really decent points. She made them in an industry
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Speaker 10: where she was bound to get canceled. And the sad
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Speaker 10: part was it wasn't only her own industry, her people,
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Speaker 10: she'd worked with, bandmates, venues that are canceling her. She says,
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Speaker 10: members of her own family have stopped talking to her
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Speaker 10: after that. So look, you got to give her a
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Speaker 10: bit of credit for standing up for something she believes in,
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Speaker 10: even despite the personal cost. But she's far from the
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Speaker 10: only one. You'll remember Deborah Conway, the Australian singer who
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Speaker 10: has been canceled not only again by venues and members
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Speaker 10: of her industry, but she revealed recently by her own
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Speaker 10: family for standing up for Israel, being a Jewish singer herself.
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Speaker 10: So it's good to see people kind of break free
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Speaker 10: from the sort of progressive capture that the left has
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Speaker 10: had on the arts industry and music in particular.
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Speaker 2: Nick even the ABC of course Triple J they canceled
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Speaker 2: her as well. She had a gig canceled. But on
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Speaker 2: her point about this disinformation bill, what's your view on
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Speaker 2: this legislation and how dangerous this could be if it
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Speaker 2: gets through the Senate.
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Speaker 11: It's extraordinary dangerous legislation, Steve. I mean, who decides what
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Speaker 11: is misinformation? That is the key question, and it's going
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Speaker 11: to be decided by government bureaucrats in conjunction with social media.
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Speaker 11: Those sound like a good idea to me. I think,
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Speaker 11: hailei mahr onto something. I think she's got to remember
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Speaker 11: a big market out there, right. I was in Broken
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Speaker 11: Hill on the day the election results came in. I
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Speaker 11: didn't meant a single person who wasn't delighted with the results.
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Speaker 11: And would you think, well towards somebody wearing a MAGA hat.
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Speaker 11: And if you look at the national polls, well well
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Speaker 11: over fifty percent of people either or in favor of
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Speaker 11: Trump or really don't care that much. So I think
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Speaker 11: she's just mixing with the wrong people. I'd urge her
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Speaker 11: to get out of Melbourne. I think that'll be my suggestion.
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Speaker 2: That's not a bad suggestion, Caroline. I mean the thing
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Speaker 2: about this Disinformation Bill, it's going to give huge power
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Speaker 2: to ACMA, the Australian Communications and Media Authority. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I've had a bit to do with THEMO over the years.
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Speaker 2: People complaining about me and ACMA sort of investigates you.
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Speaker 2: But they were before the Senate Estimates Committee this week
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Speaker 2: and they were asked questions by Senator Hansome Young of
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Speaker 2: all people, but she was on making a point that
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Speaker 2: Kyle and Jackie Oh on FM radio are just publishing,
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Speaker 2: you know, material that is basically pornographic and ACMA simple
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Speaker 2: there's nothing we can do about it unless is a
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Speaker 2: complaint laid to the station. So imagine having ACMA in
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Speaker 2: charge of what we can and can't say on and.
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Speaker 10: Look at the people who tend to make the complaints,
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Speaker 10: like when you have people that call for boycotts of
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Speaker 10: this station or people on this station, and people like yourself, Pricey.
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Speaker 10: It's often these activist groups, I mean, these faceless activist
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Speaker 10: groups that act like lynch mobs. They seem like they're
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Speaker 10: really that they're representing a great number of people.
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Speaker 2: Often they're not.
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Speaker 10: It might be a few people tapping away on their
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Speaker 10: computers in their mother's basement, but they have the effect
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Speaker 10: of having to have a organization like ACMA have to
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Speaker 10: investigate their complaint and come up with ridiculous judgments, in
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Speaker 10: my opinion, sometimes just because it doesn't fit into whatever
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Speaker 10: the arbitrator's viewpoint is, I guess so. I mean, it
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Speaker 10: would be a shame to see this misinformation bill proceed.
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Speaker 10: And I don't think it's just for people who might
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Speaker 10: share our sort of political views either. I think it
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Speaker 10: would be too much power for any government of the
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Speaker 10: day to be able to say what people can and
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Speaker 10: can't say about their own personal opinions.
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Speaker 2: Let's hope it gets knocked on the head. Let's talk
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Speaker 2: about tobacco. I mean, you know, I don't smoke. I
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Speaker 2: used to in a long time ago. I'm pleased I
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Speaker 2: don't anymore because it's bad for your health. But the
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Speaker 2: government's getting itself into this big hole around tobacco and
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Speaker 2: illegal chop chopped tobacco, and in Melbourne at least a
14:41
Speaker 2: tobacco shop has burned to the ground every night. But
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Speaker 2: we're not now happy with just cancerous pictures of people
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Speaker 2: with rotten teeth on the packet of a cigarette. They're
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Speaker 2: now moving to be forcing the cigarette producers to print
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Speaker 2: messages on the actual cigarettes nit each individual cigarette on
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Speaker 2: the cigarette, But that tells you whether it's healthy or not.
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Speaker 2: All that's going to do is give the illegal tobacco
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Speaker 2: industry where these things are smuggled into the country, a
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Speaker 2: huge boost.
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Speaker 11: Cigarettes a pretty small things, right Steve. I mean, well,
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Speaker 11: they're going to do this in six point or something.
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Speaker 11: You're going to need to have a magnified glass to
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Speaker 11: read what's on it.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 11: We've definitely got to the we've reached the law of
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Speaker 11: diminishing returns when it comes to cigarettes. There's no doubt
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Speaker 11: about it. You know, it's forty dollars a packet now,
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Speaker 11: but people are still smoking them, and many of the
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Speaker 11: people that are smoking them, and as I personally know
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Speaker 11: for experience, people with mental illness or other conditions where
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Speaker 11: they self medicate. So it's punishing the most vulnerable right now.
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Speaker 11: It's not driving smoking down. The people that are still smoking,
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Speaker 11: of the people that have the hardest job getting off them.
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Speaker 11: We need to look for other means. But I am
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Speaker 11: certain this is going to do absolutely nothing to who
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Speaker 11: reduce the rate of smoking, which is pretty small in
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Speaker 11: Australia compared to the rest of the world. If we're
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Speaker 11: serious about this, if we just think smoking is so terrible.
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Speaker 11: Let's make the whole thing illegal and send the police
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Speaker 11: out to arrest anybody with a packet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just come back from Greece. It was quite
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Speaker 2: refreshing to sit in a taverna with someone two topes
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Speaker 2: of white smoking. It didn't worry me at all, And
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Speaker 2: the Greeks seemed to smoke whenever they like. Let's talk
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Speaker 2: about Tanya Plibersec and this Nature positive plan looks like
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Speaker 2: it's in trouble. Negotiations are stall the government running out
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Speaker 2: of time before the next election. That would be great news.
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Speaker 2: I mean, she just does not seem to have a
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Speaker 2: handle on the balance between making environmental decisions, Caroline, and
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Speaker 2: making decisions that are good for the environment. She does
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Speaker 2: not seem to get it. To me.
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Speaker 10: Well, she certainly didn't get it in terms of the
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Speaker 10: blaming mind, that's for sure, and I think there's most
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Speaker 10: universal uproar about that. But look, this was supposed to
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Speaker 10: be Australia is green watchdog, but it appears to have
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Speaker 10: died before it's taken its given its first bark. Pricey
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Speaker 10: It's and that's not a bad thing. As you point out,
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Speaker 10: it was probably the key environmental policy that the government
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Speaker 10: took to the election the key promise. So it looks
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Speaker 10: like yet another promise broken promise from the Albanese government.
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Speaker 10: But in this case maybe not such a bad thing
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Speaker 10: at all, because this would have been a watchdog that
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Speaker 10: looked at enforcing a radical environmental laws, progressive environmental laws,
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Speaker 10: and who knows what impact that would have had on
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Speaker 10: industry and resources.
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Speaker 2: I love nickau Anthony Albernizi. When he was dolling out
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Speaker 2: cabinet positions, he gave one of his one of his
17:49
Speaker 2: colleagues who wanted his job bill shortened the NDS, and
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Speaker 2: he gave ten you're plibask the other person who wants
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Speaker 2: his job the environment, so that they were both so
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Speaker 2: busy trying to fix up misses they didn't have to
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Speaker 2: to plot behind his back to get his job. Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Look, it's a pretty bad way to go about it.
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Speaker 11: He should have put people in the jobs who could
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Speaker 11: sort out those two portfolios, both of which need turning
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Speaker 11: upside down. Environmental regulation is out of control in this country.
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Speaker 11: It's damaging our prosperity, it's damaging the opportunities of our
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Speaker 11: children and our children's children down the track and as
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Speaker 11: you know, the end of us is just a basket case.
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Speaker 11: We need serious work to patch up both those portfolios.
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Speaker 2: Just a quick view from you both, Caroline, Kevin Rudd
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Speaker 2: stay or go?
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Speaker 10: Oh, completely untenable. He has to go, and I predict
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Speaker 10: it's going to happen soon.
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Speaker 2: Nick.
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Speaker 11: I've said from day one that his position is untenable
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Speaker 11: on this. I haven't changed my position whatsoever. The sooner
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Speaker 11: he goes, the less port bad attention it collects for Australia,
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Speaker 11: and the better and the sooner we can get on
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Speaker 11: with a serious, stable relationship with a man who I
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Speaker 11: think on the whole is going to be very good
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Speaker 11: for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good on you both, really nice to see you, Caroline
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Speaker 2: and Nick. Thank you very much for your time. Now
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Speaker 2: coming up after the break. What does it say about
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Speaker 2: grit the green movement when Chris Bowen and Matt Kean
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Speaker 2: are happy to go along and tend the cop summit,
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Speaker 2: the climate conference in Azerbaijann of all places with the Taliban,
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Speaker 2: plus the ongoing feud between the Victoria Police and the
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Speaker 2: Allen government in Victoria, it's now got to fever pitch
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Speaker 2: police are set to walk off the job. Tomorrow. Welcome
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Speaker 2: back todeve price In for Peter Kredler. Now, I would
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Speaker 2: have thought these COP gatherings around the world might have
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Speaker 2: fallen over by now, But there's another one on the
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Speaker 2: latest love in kicked off in azerbai Jean. The thing
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Speaker 2: I know about Azerbaijan is that they have a Formula
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Speaker 2: one race there here in Bakud, the capitol where this
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Speaker 2: whole conference is taking place. So it's a bit odd
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Speaker 2: this year politicians delegates, activists from two hundred countries attending.
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Speaker 2: It's called COP twenty nine. And if I remember correctly,
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Speaker 2: we're actually bidding as a country to hold one of
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Speaker 2: these things, not the next one, but the one after.
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Speaker 2: Now things are already you've got to laugh about this
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Speaker 2: off to a bad start for the climate activists with
20:14
Speaker 2: the Azerbaijani president. He kicked things off today. And what
20:18
Speaker 2: did he do in front of all of these people
20:19
Speaker 2: who've flown into argue about global warming. Well, he extolled
20:25
Speaker 2: the virtue of natural resources such as oil and gas
20:28
Speaker 2: as and quote gifts from God, he called them. And
20:32
Speaker 2: adding insult to injury is the fact that the biggest
20:35
Speaker 2: emitters the United States, China, India, they couldn't even actually
20:38
Speaker 2: be bothered to turn up. And that's with Joe Biden
20:41
Speaker 2: still in charge. Joining me now, The Australian's Environment editor Graham,
20:44
Speaker 2: Lloyd Graham, welcome, all was great to see you. I mean,
20:48
Speaker 2: it's quite bizarre, isn't it that they choose Baku in Azerbaijan,
20:52
Speaker 2: a place that has a Formula one race and where
20:55
Speaker 2: the president stands up and says oil and gas is
20:59
Speaker 2: a gift from God.
21:02
Speaker 12: That's right, Good evening, Steve, Well, it's all about sharing
21:05
Speaker 12: the love. They choose a different region each year to
21:09
Speaker 12: host it, and this was the turn of that region,
21:13
Speaker 12: so Bakou got it. And most people probably don't know
21:17
Speaker 12: a lot about Barkou, but it's a big oil producer
21:21
Speaker 12: and it's doing a roaring trade supplying hydrocarbons to Europe
21:25
Speaker 12: to make up for their shortfall from Russia.
21:29
Speaker 2: So how do the fools who choose where to go
21:32
Speaker 2: not think that that's relevant when the whole thing's about
21:36
Speaker 2: global warming and lowing lowering the global temperature and shifting
21:40
Speaker 2: cash from one pile to another. I mean, wouldn't they
21:42
Speaker 2: have thought of that before they decided to go there.
21:46
Speaker 12: Well, that's the interesting thing is there's some people who
21:49
Speaker 12: think these meetings are about reducing carbon dioxide emissions and
21:54
Speaker 12: changing the weather, but most people who are tend it's
21:57
Speaker 12: about something quite different. It's about registry money from the
22:01
Speaker 12: developed world to the developing world, and this cop is
22:06
Speaker 12: dedicated to finance and reaching this new grand bargain to
22:11
Speaker 12: achieve just that. So it's going to be a wild ride.
22:17
Speaker 2: How to climate Zelotz, Chris Bowen and Matt Kean quickly
22:21
Speaker 2: jumped on excepted the invite, even co chairing one of
22:25
Speaker 2: the negotiations for what's known as the new Collective Qualified Goal,
22:30
Speaker 2: whatever the hell that is.
22:33
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, that goal is the very heart of these
22:36
Speaker 12: negotiations and Chris Bone is right in the center of it.
22:39
Speaker 12: It's basically to build upon a pledge that has been
22:43
Speaker 12: made in the past and really not Matt, to deliver
22:46
Speaker 12: one hundred billion dollars a year. There were the opening
22:49
Speaker 12: gambits on that today in China, on behalf of seventy
22:53
Speaker 12: seven developing countries said that the developed world should supply
22:58
Speaker 12: one point three billion US dollars a year to be
23:03
Speaker 12: distributed to other places. On top of that, Pacific Islands
23:07
Speaker 12: want to guaranteed thirty eight billion dollars themselves each year,
23:12
Speaker 12: and so it's a big job, and Chris Bines really
23:15
Speaker 12: got stuck right in the middle of trying to make
23:18
Speaker 12: that happen.
23:20
Speaker 2: Well, explain to me why China is still considered a
23:23
Speaker 2: developing nation when it comes to these things.
23:27
Speaker 12: Well, it's one of the strange artifacts of these gatherings.
23:32
Speaker 12: China is in the pool of non developed countries. It's
23:37
Speaker 12: taken a leadership role in that area, and it's really
23:41
Speaker 12: using it to turn things back on the West because
23:45
Speaker 12: if you look politically, particularly in Africa and other parts
23:49
Speaker 12: of the world, this is really about settling historic scores
23:54
Speaker 12: about colonialization and what they see as an inequality in
23:59
Speaker 12: the way nations have got rich. So China is in
24:02
Speaker 12: a very powerful position to exploit those feelings and turn
24:06
Speaker 12: it against the US and other places for.
24:10
Speaker 3: Its own advantage.
24:14
Speaker 2: So I reckon the conference would be in the back
24:17
Speaker 2: rooms while this thing's on going, Well, what the hell
24:20
Speaker 2: are we going to do now? Because Donald Trump's been elected,
24:24
Speaker 2: He's obviously got that great slogan drill, baby, drill. Do
24:28
Speaker 2: you think he might pull out of Paris? And what's
24:31
Speaker 2: he going to do with this massive green plan that
24:35
Speaker 2: Biden legislated.
24:38
Speaker 12: Well, I think certainly he will redirect those subsidies. Some
24:43
Speaker 12: of them will be cut, others will be focused more
24:46
Speaker 12: on the oil and gas sector and manufacturing. But Donald
24:51
Speaker 12: Trump has said he will pull out of Paris on
24:53
Speaker 12: day one. The last time he was elected, that took
24:57
Speaker 12: three years to achieve because the way the agreement had
25:00
Speaker 12: been set up. This time around, it's twelve months notice
25:03
Speaker 12: and then they're out. Once they're out of the process,
25:06
Speaker 12: they don't have to declare their emissions, they don't have
25:10
Speaker 12: to report to the UN what they're doing, and most importantly,
25:13
Speaker 12: there's no legal obligation for them to fund a lot
25:16
Speaker 12: of these programs that are really at the heart of
25:19
Speaker 12: the UN process.
25:22
Speaker 2: Graham, just finally, what do you think the deadly terrorist
25:25
Speaker 2: group the Taliban are going to contribute to COP twenty nine.
25:32
Speaker 12: Yes, it's extraordinary, isn't It's a topsy turvy world where
25:35
Speaker 12: you have the world's second biggest economy claiming to be
25:39
Speaker 12: a developing nation, and then you have the Taliban allowed
25:42
Speaker 12: into a grouping that prides itself on its gender equality
25:48
Speaker 12: and concern for the other.
25:52
Speaker 2: It's just madness. Just shake your head. You can't believe it.
25:55
Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd. It was nice to catch up with you.
25:56
Speaker 2: I'll read your assessment of Cop twenty nine in the Australian.
25:59
Speaker 2: That's Graham Lloyd. There. Let's go to Victoria now, now
26:02
Speaker 2: Marathon pay dispute. This has been going on for, if
26:05
Speaker 2: not months, more than years between the state's police force
26:10
Speaker 2: and the government. Now it looks set to culbinate in
26:12
Speaker 2: what's been described as the first police walk out in
26:15
Speaker 2: twenty five years. Now. Having listened to the Police Association
26:19
Speaker 2: boss on radio today, I'm not sure this means that
26:22
Speaker 2: police officers are going to walk out of the police
26:24
Speaker 2: station and go home. Senior officers claim that finances are
26:28
Speaker 2: so dire they can't properly resource police stations, let alone
26:32
Speaker 2: afford huge wage rises. So the Police Association, i said,
26:37
Speaker 2: is seeking annual pay increases of six percent for its members.
26:41
Speaker 2: That would be a cost of around eight hundred and
26:43
Speaker 2: forty million dollars to the Victorian taxpayer. Now the dispute
26:46
Speaker 2: has the entire force in tatters. It's split. Actually, there
26:50
Speaker 2: will still be some officers working tomorrow and they're even
26:53
Speaker 2: being disgracefully labeled as scabs. The Chief Commissioners shown Patten
26:58
Speaker 2: others are attacking the Association Boss Wayne Gatt and other
27:02
Speaker 2: officers are as I said, turning on each other. For
27:04
Speaker 2: more on this, we're joined by Victoria Shadow Police Minister
27:07
Speaker 2: Brad Baton. Brad, why can't the government sort this out?
27:10
Speaker 2: Why are they leaving it for Force Command and the
27:14
Speaker 2: Police Association to do the negotiating.
27:19
Speaker 8: Yeah, good evening, Steve. First of all, exactly what you said.
27:22
Speaker 8: Why can't the government do it? The government can't do
27:24
Speaker 8: it because they're broke. They're signing up to contracts that
27:27
Speaker 8: they can't afford and that money has to come from somewhere.
27:30
Speaker 8: We've asked questions in Parliament this week. We were saying
27:32
Speaker 8: eight hundred and forty million dollar deal could be paid
27:36
Speaker 8: forty one times based just on the contracts they've signed
27:38
Speaker 8: up for the Suburban Railroup recently if they were effectively
27:43
Speaker 8: fund out Victoria Police Force.
27:45
Speaker 3: We know that the deal needs to be done.
27:46
Speaker 8: Shane Patten, while there's issues there, is trying to work
27:50
Speaker 8: with one hand tied behind his back when the Government's
27:53
Speaker 8: saying to him, you've got to cut your budget, cut
27:55
Speaker 8: your operational budget at the same time increase wages.
27:58
Speaker 3: I think it's an unfair deal.
27:59
Speaker 8: The people that are missing out of the Victoria police
28:01
Speaker 8: on the front line, who are working so hard to
28:04
Speaker 8: protect us, including just this week where we saw they
28:06
Speaker 8: were shot at in Victoria and went in and rescued
28:10
Speaker 8: a man and.
28:10
Speaker 3: His toddler in a hostage situation. They're out there doing
28:13
Speaker 3: the dangerous job. Steve. We should be rewarding him.
28:17
Speaker 2: Give him. We're in the middle of a youth crime crisis.
28:20
Speaker 2: Given we're in the middle of a tobacco shop being
28:24
Speaker 2: ram raided and burnt to the ground every night, some
28:26
Speaker 2: of them being attacked twice in the same night, you've
28:29
Speaker 2: got fifteen, sixteen, thirteen year old stealing cars people's homes.
28:34
Speaker 2: Wouldn't the government be better off making that a priority to
28:37
Speaker 2: fund their police force, give us enough police on the roads,
28:40
Speaker 2: rather than, as you said, tipping money into projects that
28:43
Speaker 2: they seem to be absolutely besulted with, like the Suburban railroad.
28:50
Speaker 8: If the Victorian government were smart and they actually funded
28:53
Speaker 8: what they needed for the Victoria police to get a
28:55
Speaker 8: fair day's pay, then we could actually focus on them recruiting.
28:58
Speaker 3: New police here in Victoria.
29:00
Speaker 8: We've got over a thousand vacancies on rosters. So some
29:03
Speaker 8: of the things you've mentioned them when we talk about
29:05
Speaker 8: aggravated burglary is and youth crime, we're actually in Victoria
29:09
Speaker 8: gone from a decade ago where an aggravated burglary was
29:12
Speaker 8: committed by a young offender once every three days. That
29:15
Speaker 8: is now three and a half every day. That's because
29:18
Speaker 8: the entire justice system is failing. The Victoria police don't
29:21
Speaker 8: have the resources to do what they need to do
29:24
Speaker 8: to keep the community safe. And when they walk off
29:26
Speaker 8: the job this week, which we're seeing as of effectively tomorrow,
29:30
Speaker 8: it's half hour stoppages.
29:31
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you now, I know most of them.
29:34
Speaker 8: Or a lot of Victoria police who would actively, even
29:38
Speaker 8: in the middle of a stop work meeting having a
29:39
Speaker 8: discussion about their paying conditions, if someone calls triple zero,
29:43
Speaker 8: they will respond. It's built into them. They will go
29:46
Speaker 8: out and ensure the community is safe.
29:47
Speaker 3: That is their priority. But they've got to send a
29:49
Speaker 3: message to the government.
29:50
Speaker 8: So the first time in twenty five years, we're going
29:53
Speaker 8: to start to see tomorrow Victoria police walking off the
29:55
Speaker 8: job at the Academy and at broad Meadows.
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Speaker 3: And this is going to continue until the governm come
30:00
Speaker 3: to the table.
30:01
Speaker 8: And negotiate a fair wage deal and not send it
30:04
Speaker 8: to fair Work, which they've done recently, just so they
30:06
Speaker 8: can try and stop the industrial action and silence Victoria
30:09
Speaker 8: police officers.
30:10
Speaker 3: That's a disgrace from the just Into Allen government.
30:14
Speaker 2: The wage issue is one. The other issue is recruitment.
30:18
Speaker 2: How stretched is the force and how overworked are some
30:22
Speaker 2: of those middle ranking police officers, senior sergeants, constables, those
30:27
Speaker 2: doing the hard work on the cars on patrol.
30:32
Speaker 8: When I was in the job back in two thousand
30:34
Speaker 8: and one to two thousand and seven, Steve, if you
30:36
Speaker 8: had a one or two jobs at the end of
30:38
Speaker 8: a shift to pass on to the next van. So
30:40
Speaker 8: if you're on night shift passing onto morning, you might
30:42
Speaker 8: pass on one or two a shift. These guys are
30:44
Speaker 8: passing on now ten twenty jobs at the end of
30:48
Speaker 8: each shift. The guys and girls out there working for
30:50
Speaker 8: us so hard have had the extra pressure because they
30:53
Speaker 8: haven't got the resources. And to add salt to the wound.
30:56
Speaker 8: When I was walking down here tonight, Steve, I went
30:58
Speaker 8: past a tram, I caught a try down from the
31:00
Speaker 8: Parliament to your studio.
31:02
Speaker 3: When I hopped on that tram.
31:03
Speaker 8: The advertisement on the outside of a government funded Melbourne
31:07
Speaker 8: tram is a sign to say recruitment for the Queensland Police.
31:12
Speaker 3: We are going to see.
31:13
Speaker 8: More people leave and go across the border from the
31:15
Speaker 8: Victoria Police. We're going to lose more experience because New
31:18
Speaker 8: South Wales have managed to sit down with their police
31:19
Speaker 8: association and their frontline members that make a deal. Queensland
31:23
Speaker 8: have put things in place to ensure that their police
31:25
Speaker 8: members are paid fairly and in four years time, Victoria
31:27
Speaker 8: Police will be paid twenty five thousand.
31:30
Speaker 3: Dollars less than New South Wales counterparts. Why would they stay?
31:33
Speaker 8: We need to keep that experience or our crime is
31:35
Speaker 8: going to get a hell of a lot worse here
31:37
Speaker 8: in our state unless something is done by the other
31:39
Speaker 8: labor government urgently.
31:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't imagine how it's going to get worse.
31:44
Speaker 2: Just Brad, before you go there. Victorian government, we now
31:47
Speaker 2: learn today they have finally decided they're going to crack
31:50
Speaker 2: down on the illegal tobacco trade. They should have done
31:52
Speaker 2: this two years ago by forcing people who are running
31:56
Speaker 2: tobacco shops to be properly licensed. They're promising deliver what
31:59
Speaker 2: they call the toughest penalties in the country about time.
32:03
Speaker 2: Now they say they're going to find people three hundred
32:05
Speaker 2: and fifty five thousand dollars or fifteen years in jail
32:08
Speaker 2: if they are selling illegal tobacco. They plan to establish
32:11
Speaker 2: a tobacco licensing scheme. Hooray. It should have come in
32:15
Speaker 2: years ago for retailers. And they're going to have dedicated inspectors.
32:19
Speaker 2: Where the hell are they going to get dedicated inspectors
32:21
Speaker 2: from if they can't find police.
32:24
Speaker 8: Well, they're going to expect the Victoria Police, who they
32:26
Speaker 8: won't give a fair pay deal to go out and
32:28
Speaker 8: police this at the moment once their new legislation comes in.
32:31
Speaker 8: But can we just put a few things into perspective.
32:33
Speaker 8: It's been a couple of years. As you said, Steve,
32:35
Speaker 8: this should have been done. The government's had plenty of
32:37
Speaker 8: time to work on it. And then we tried to
32:40
Speaker 8: introduce legislation in this in the past to get this
32:42
Speaker 8: going in the government to denied us the opportunity to
32:45
Speaker 8: introduce that legislation. Now they've introduced it this week and
32:48
Speaker 8: they'll say it's an urgent bill and it's going to
32:50
Speaker 8: be put through the parliament within three days, not the
32:52
Speaker 8: normal process they've gone through in three days and they're
32:55
Speaker 8: in a hurry.
32:56
Speaker 3: To get it through.
32:57
Speaker 8: But yet the date that will actually come into effect
32:59
Speaker 8: is first of Lie twenty twenty six, so they're not
33:02
Speaker 8: bringing it into start tomorrow or next week. They're bringing
33:05
Speaker 8: in the first July twenty twenty six, yet saying it's urgent.
33:08
Speaker 8: This is more spin from Justinta Allen and what we're
33:11
Speaker 8: going to see is more fire bombings, more people get
33:14
Speaker 8: away with it, and a licensing system that's delayed, all
33:16
Speaker 8: because the Allen Labor government will more focused on trying
33:19
Speaker 8: to appeas to the media to stop the bad negative
33:22
Speaker 8: press that they're getting, rather than actually putting a solution in.
33:25
Speaker 3: Place that they should have put in place a long
33:27
Speaker 3: time ago.
33:29
Speaker 2: They are a complete joke. I mean, as you said
33:31
Speaker 2: that this week to Cinder Allen or Danny Pearson, a
33:34
Speaker 2: transport minister. They sign a one point seven billion dollar
33:39
Speaker 2: contract to tip more money into a big hole with
33:41
Speaker 2: the suburban rail loop.
33:45
Speaker 8: That has no actual business case, that hasn't got any
33:48
Speaker 8: guaranteed funding from the federal government, that's got no support
33:51
Speaker 8: from any of the Infrastructure Victoria or Infrastructure Australia It
33:55
Speaker 8: is a project that is going to cost two hundred
33:57
Speaker 8: and sixteen billion dollars to complete. This is money that
34:00
Speaker 8: is going to come away from delivering services in health, education, Victoria,
34:04
Speaker 8: police ambulance. These are all the things that will be failing.
34:07
Speaker 8: And at the same time they've cut ninety five percent
34:10
Speaker 8: of the funding for maintenance on roads in regional Victoria.
34:13
Speaker 8: Anyone who regional Victoria will tell you there is potholes
34:16
Speaker 8: out there that are killer potholes. And at the same
34:18
Speaker 8: time they should be filling those potholes, they're digging a
34:21
Speaker 8: hole that will build a railway station to nowhere here
34:23
Speaker 8: in our state.
34:26
Speaker 2: Well, you'd be interested. I've written about that in a
34:28
Speaker 2: Herald Sun column tomorrow. And what I've done is I've
34:30
Speaker 2: compared what Sydney's done over the same timeframe as what
34:33
Speaker 2: Melbourne's done for their transport system in Sydney, where they've
34:36
Speaker 2: opened their metro trains doing one hundred kilometers an hour
34:39
Speaker 2: without any drivers underneath Sydney Harbor and it's all up
34:42
Speaker 2: and running. I mean, seriously, Victoria is a joke. Brad Batten,
34:45
Speaker 2: great to catch up with you as usual, Thank you
34:47
Speaker 2: very much. Now after the break pressure is on senior
34:49
Speaker 2: Trump figures, as we said earlier in the program, So
34:52
Speaker 2: dig into Kevin Rudd's past comments on the president elect.
34:56
Speaker 2: So should he stay or should he go? I think
34:59
Speaker 2: we know that answer to that, plus a bit later on.
35:01
Speaker 2: Plenty of words to get through with our very dear friend,
35:04
Speaker 2: Kel Richards, welcome back to be with you. Stue Price
35:11
Speaker 2: filling in for Peter kred and let's get into our
35:13
Speaker 2: panel tonight. Shadow Environment spokesman John o'dunham and broadcaster Lucy's
35:18
Speaker 2: Alec Welcome to you both. I want to talk about
35:21
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd, but I want to start with you, Lucy,
35:24
Speaker 2: because it appears to me that the opposition of got
35:27
Speaker 2: the wagons in a circle. Publicly, they're quite supportive of Kevin,
35:31
Speaker 2: and I don't expect JOHNO to break ranks there, so
35:34
Speaker 2: I want to start with you. Lots of back and forth.
35:36
Speaker 2: He said some dreadful things about the incoming president Donald Trump.
35:41
Speaker 2: He last week he was feverishly deleting his anti Trump post,
35:45
Speaker 2: which I think says a lot because he obviously clearly
35:48
Speaker 2: didn't think Trump could win the election. And look Prime
35:52
Speaker 2: Minister Abanese he said he's our ambassadory he's going to
35:55
Speaker 2: stay there. You had today one of Trump's advisors, Dan Scavino.
35:58
Speaker 2: He's hinted Rudd's time at the post could be running out.
36:02
Speaker 2: He put up a message with a very clear indication,
36:07
Speaker 2: with one of those egg time of things, suggesting he
36:10
Speaker 2: might go. It's not tenable, Lucy, is it clearly? I mean, seriously,
36:14
Speaker 2: this book does need to go.
36:17
Speaker 6: He absolutely needs to go. But from what we understand
36:20
Speaker 6: about Rudd, who has always been a very staunch narcissist,
36:24
Speaker 6: I think he's going to have to go kicking and screaming.
36:26
Speaker 6: But the thing that I would be saying to him
36:28
Speaker 6: if I was Anthony Albanesi is not endorsing him and
36:32
Speaker 6: supporting him, which, by the way, if you are getting
36:35
Speaker 6: behind Kevin Rudd in this situation, what that says to
36:38
Speaker 6: me is that you are endorsing his comments and you're
36:40
Speaker 6: supportive of his comments. So is that what the Alberanesi
36:43
Speaker 6: government wants their position to be in front of President Trump,
36:47
Speaker 6: the future forty seventh president of the United States. Is
36:51
Speaker 6: this the message that we're sending them that we're okay
36:54
Speaker 6: with our ambassadors to the United States making these comments.
36:57
Speaker 6: The answer to that has.
36:58
Speaker 2: To be no.
36:59
Speaker 6: So the fact that he's come out and publicly supported
37:01
Speaker 6: him his issue number one. But what I would be
37:03
Speaker 6: doing if I was in Alberneze's position is saying to
37:06
Speaker 6: him privately, Okay, you might want to go out kicking
37:08
Speaker 6: and screaming, and you may not want to jump, but
37:11
Speaker 6: guess what prepared to be pushed because this is hugely embarrassing,
37:15
Speaker 6: not just in front of President Trump but on the
37:17
Speaker 6: world's scale, right, because we know that Americans have seen
37:20
Speaker 6: the comments that Kevin Rudd has made and it's deeply,
37:23
Speaker 6: deeply embarrassing for US as a nation. So he has
37:26
Speaker 6: to go. As you rightly pointed out there, this is
37:28
Speaker 6: no longer a tenable relationship and unfortunately Kevo seven only
37:33
Speaker 6: has himself to.
37:34
Speaker 2: Blame, absolutely right. He's just you know, he loves himself
37:40
Speaker 2: and the sound of his own voice. John O, do
37:42
Speaker 2: you think behind the scenes that Kevin's probably duchessing good
37:47
Speaker 2: men like Joe Hockey and Scott Morrison and using their
37:51
Speaker 2: contacts within the Republican movement and the people that they
37:55
Speaker 2: know around Trump to help him out, because those two
37:58
Speaker 2: men are impeccably qualified to help Australia and sell Australia's
38:03
Speaker 2: position to the incoming President Arthur.
38:08
Speaker 9: Well, they certainly are Steve, and I think he will
38:12
Speaker 9: be doing whatever he can to save his own hide here.
38:15
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I'm not as.
38:17
Speaker 9: Defensive as others might be of former Prime Minister Rudd's position.
38:22
Speaker 9: I've put my views on record. The Prime Minister is
38:26
Speaker 9: the one who's defending his position. He's out there saying
38:29
Speaker 9: he's doing a fantastic job and he's a great appointment.
38:32
Speaker 9: Well we'll soon see come the twentieth of January. We'll
38:36
Speaker 9: see if the doors are open and whether members of
38:39
Speaker 9: the cabinet are willing to talk to our ambassador. That's
38:42
Speaker 9: where the proof will be in whether or not he
38:44
Speaker 9: is a fantastic appointment and doing a great job. That
38:48
Speaker 9: is his job while he is there. But yeah, no
38:50
Speaker 9: doubt he will be milking every conservative contact he has
38:54
Speaker 9: because why would you want to give up that gig,
38:56
Speaker 9: And he certainly doesn't want to. That's why he deleted
38:58
Speaker 9: those injudicious tweets. But I think that little tweet you
39:02
Speaker 9: mentioned a bit earlier on can only be read one way,
39:04
Speaker 9: and that's a bit of a concern.
39:07
Speaker 2: Lucy. This is a movie. You can't take your eyes off.
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Speaker 2: You've now got the richest man in the world, Elon Musk,
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Speaker 2: teaming up with Donald Trump. They're both down there in
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Speaker 2: Mara Lago Dons. Donald's put Elon in charge of sorting
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Speaker 2: out the American version of the public service. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is just going to go all the way to
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Speaker 2: January twenty and some of the appointments that he's made
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Speaker 2: are just quite remarkable. I mean, in a sense, you
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Speaker 2: wouldn't mind our style of government being able to have
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Speaker 2: the Prime minister choose from private enterprise the best minds
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Speaker 2: in the country to actually do some good for the country.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And we're certainly feeling I don't know about the
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Speaker 6: rest of you, but I'm certainly feeling a little bit
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Speaker 6: envious with these sweeping changes and bringing in people like
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Speaker 6: Elon Musk, and a lot very quick to kind of
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Speaker 6: dismiss him and to point him out as this eccentric
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Speaker 6: and this kook and this man with all these crazy ideas.
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Speaker 6: But he was one of the most intelligent men in
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Speaker 6: the world. And Trump even said so when he's acceptance speech,
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Speaker 6: He said, this is a genius. This is the kind
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Speaker 6: of level of intelligence and knowledge that we need to
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Speaker 6: protect and encourage and foster within our nation. You know,
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Speaker 6: when you only consider what Elon did when he overtook
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Speaker 6: Twitter now known as x he shaved off at least
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Speaker 6: eighty percent of their staff, all designed with the view
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Speaker 6: that effectively these people were just dead weight. They were
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Speaker 6: just bureaucrats happy to collect a paycheck and couldn't really
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Speaker 6: prove what they were doing. And I would venture to
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Speaker 6: say that so many of us feel that way about
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Speaker 6: many of our owner politicians here in this country. I mean,
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Speaker 6: having come from government myself and experience there, I can
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Speaker 6: tell you very much that we are wasting money. We
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Speaker 6: are we're spending money like it means nothing. And in
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Speaker 6: a time like this and a cost of living crisis,
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Speaker 6: when there are so many issues economically that voters are
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Speaker 6: very concerned about, this is the time when you need
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Speaker 6: to start looking at how can we be more efficient
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Speaker 6: with taxpayers dollars. Elon has been given two years to
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Speaker 6: be able to achieve this, alongside Vivik Ramaswami, who I
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Speaker 6: think is fantastic by the way, he of course ran
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Speaker 6: for those that don't know, as one of the Republican
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Speaker 6: primaries for the presidential nominee race, and I thought he
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Speaker 6: was brilliant. Probably a little bit too young now in
41:12
Speaker 6: terms of what he could potentially achieve now as a president,
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Speaker 6: but I think in years to come you will certainly
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Speaker 6: be up there and could be a potential candidate for
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Speaker 6: a future presidency there. But he speaks so eloquently, and
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Speaker 6: they've always spoken at length about draining the swamp, which
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Speaker 6: is what this is intending to do. Elon's already projected
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Speaker 6: that he could potentially save them two trillion dollars.
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Speaker 2: And when you've got a.
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Speaker 6: Country that is the most in debt out of any
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Speaker 6: other country in the world, and you're staring down the
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Speaker 6: barrel of having to make such sweeping changes, you know,
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Speaker 6: Trump is doing exactly what he said he'd do, and
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Speaker 6: drain the swamp is exactly what he needs to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope Peter Dutton's taking some notice. John. The
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Speaker 2: election campaigns clearly started. You had the PM and Tazzy.
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Speaker 2: This week he announced a couple of candidate. He's that
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Speaker 2: down there campaigning. Update me on what exactly is happening
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Speaker 2: with the Tasmania salmon farming issue, because Fanya Plibasek's still
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Speaker 2: not made any decision on the agriculture future. What's your
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Speaker 2: understanding of where that's going to go.
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Speaker 9: Well, nothing has happened on that issue. It's only been
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Speaker 9: a year now that these salmon workers on the west
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Speaker 9: coast of Tasmania have been wondering whether they'll have a
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Speaker 9: job tomorrow or not. But the government are no closer
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Speaker 9: to making a decision on that. The PM flew into
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Speaker 9: town and he announced two new ubute candidates to try
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Speaker 9: and distract from the fact that his government have not
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Speaker 9: made a decision when they well and really should have
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Speaker 9: buy now looking at kicking it down the road for
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Speaker 9: another year, will pass the next election because they don't
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Speaker 9: want to actually answer Tasmanian voters on one side of
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Speaker 9: the debate or the other about the decision they've made.
42:53
Speaker 9: So there is no clarity in site for the workers
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Speaker 9: on the West coast in Strawn and it does rather
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Speaker 9: reek of the fact that Tania Piliverseeki is more fixated
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Speaker 9: on clamoring for Green votes in Sydney than you would
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Speaker 9: think the party that claims to be the friend of
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Speaker 9: the worker is on protecting workers' jobs.
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Speaker 3: They talk a big game.
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Speaker 9: But there is absolutely nothing in sight there you know,
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Speaker 9: they've installed a former Labor leader from the State Parliament
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Speaker 9: Inn as the candidate for Lyons. She I might point
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Speaker 9: out to your viewers, has lost three state elections in
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Speaker 9: a row as Labor leader and she's been gifted this job.
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Speaker 9: The bloke who sits in the seat now, Brian Mitchell,
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Speaker 9: was tapped on the shoulder and told to move on.
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Speaker 3: So it's a consolation prize.
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Speaker 9: And they're treating the voters of Lions like mugs.
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Speaker 2: Lucy. Last one for you. There's a place in Melbourne
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Speaker 2: down where they've renamed the local lake. Now they've renamed
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Speaker 2: it after the founder of a Sikh faith. No consultation.
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Speaker 2: It used to be called Berrick Springs. The lake's now
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Speaker 2: called Guru Nanak Lake. No one down there was us
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Speaker 2: that this was a good thing or a bad thing
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Speaker 2: to have happened. And we find out today, Lucy, that
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Speaker 2: there are six thousand applications for Victorian place name changes
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Speaker 2: that are going to be looked at in the next
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Speaker 2: twelve months. And no one's asked about it. No one
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Speaker 2: knocks on your door and says, can I call you
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Speaker 2: a suburbs something else?
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Speaker 6: It's not just insanity in the highest order here that
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Speaker 6: this reeks of. And it's also not just this issue
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Speaker 6: that residents should be furious with all the broader Victorian public.
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Speaker 6: It's the fact that the Victorian government has also announced
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Speaker 6: a further six hundred thousand dollars will be granted for
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Speaker 6: them to have events across Victoria to celebrate this grand
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Speaker 6: six five hundred and fifty fifth birthday. Now, let me
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Speaker 6: just preface this by saying that I have absolutely no
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Speaker 6: issue with people of their particular faces celebrating and honoring them.
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Speaker 3: That's not the issue.
44:49
Speaker 6: The issue to me is precisely what you were speaking
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Speaker 6: about the for Steve, which is that there are so
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Speaker 6: many other pressing problems in Victoria. Notwithstanding the fact that
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Speaker 6: you have police officers who were prepared to strike because
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Speaker 6: the lack of funding that's been given to them over
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Speaker 6: their wage issues. Right, We've got a rampant youth crime
45:06
Speaker 6: issue also down in Victoria. There are so many other
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Speaker 6: more pressing priorities that the you know, justinto Allen government
45:12
Speaker 6: could be focusing on at a time like this instead
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Speaker 6: of throwing money at these issues, which quite frankly, if
45:18
Speaker 6: you were to ask the broader public if this ranked
45:20
Speaker 6: quite high on their list of concerns. The resounding answer
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Speaker 6: would be no. But once again, what we're seeing is
45:26
Speaker 6: the labor government hell bent on prioritizing woke and I
45:31
Speaker 6: guess virtue signaling issues over common sense and you know,
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Speaker 6: and logic, which is really.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said Lucy John O. Lucy, thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: You'll be back with Peter next week now after the break.
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Speaker 2: As always on Wednesday, our make Kel Richards got plenty
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Speaker 2: of words to get through tonight. Welcome back to the
45:54
Speaker 2: Price with you Andrew Bolt coming up every Wednesday night.
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Speaker 2: Kel Richards joints Peter Kredlin for what is the most
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Speaker 2: popular segment on her show. He's with us again. Nice
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Speaker 2: to see my old friend now. I've often been accused
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Speaker 2: of blowing my own trumpet, John writes on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: A presenter used the phrase blowing my own trumpet in
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Speaker 2: regard to predicting a landslide when to Donald Trump in
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Speaker 2: the election. Where did this lovely saying blowing my own
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Speaker 2: trumpet come from? Kel?
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Speaker 5: It seems steve to be a really old English proverb.
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Speaker 5: There's a form of it recorded from about fourteen fifty,
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Speaker 5: so it's a long time ago. And back at the
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Speaker 5: medieval period, when a king entered the chamber, there were
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Speaker 5: heralds with those big, long brass trumpets, and they would
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Speaker 5: blow their trumpets to herald.
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Speaker 3: The arrival of the king.
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Speaker 5: So the idea behind the proverb when it was coin
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Speaker 5: was you're like heraldly if you boast, and you would
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Speaker 5: never do it, Steve.
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Speaker 2: But if you.
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Speaker 5: Boast, then you're heralding your own achievements, you see, by
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Speaker 5: blowing regal trumpets.
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Speaker 3: That's the idea behind it.
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Speaker 5: It goes back to that medieval image.
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Speaker 2: We've been talking about. A bloke is very good at
47:03
Speaker 2: blowing his own trumpers America.
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Speaker 5: He never does anything else, although, mind you, someone important
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Speaker 5: to me once Louis Armstrong, was always blowing his own trumpet,
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Speaker 5: and probably a good thing too.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it was nice to hear. Now there's been some
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Speaker 2: in clement weather at my place today. I had two
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Speaker 2: very heavy downpours of rain. Virginia wants to know kel
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Speaker 2: if bad weather is known as inclement, can good weather
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Speaker 2: be described as clement? It can.
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Speaker 5: In fact, the word clement came into English even before
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Speaker 5: in clement Clement meaning nice mild weather, was around in
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Speaker 5: the sixteen hundreds and in clement the opposite what you
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Speaker 5: had today, only after the seventeen hundreds. Clement comes from
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Speaker 5: a Latin source word meaning gentle and often used in
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Speaker 5: Latin to mean to treat gently. Our word clemency comes
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Speaker 5: from the same source.
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about private schools. Got confused by this because,
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Speaker 2: as you know, I worked in radio in both Victoria
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Speaker 2: and in New South Wales, and private schools and public
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Speaker 2: schools were very different things in two different states. Susan
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Speaker 2: and Geelong wants to know why private schools in England
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Speaker 2: are called public schools as they are in New South Wales.
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Speaker 5: Well fee paying schools. In England, the older ones are
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Speaker 5: called public schools. They were established in the seventeen hundreds,
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Speaker 5: and the reason was to be a contrast between say,
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Speaker 5: the wealthy sons of landowners privately being tutored in their
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Speaker 5: own grand homes or being tutored in a school i e.
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Speaker 5: Publicly with other boys of their own sort of class.
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Speaker 5: So that was the distinction between private tutoring in home
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Speaker 5: and public teaching in school. That's why they were called
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Speaker 5: public schools. But they were never publicly funded, no taxation money.
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Speaker 5: They were always fee paying. Now what happened was if
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Speaker 5: something happens in Wales, but in Scotland they did what
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Speaker 5: we do the public sas schools, with state schools, private
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Speaker 5: schools with the fee paying schools, and in the colonies
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Speaker 5: here our education system models Scotland. That's why we have
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Speaker 5: the language we have.
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Speaker 2: You always have the answers. It's great to catch up
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Speaker 2: with you again, my friend. Someone wanted to know what
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Speaker 2: the meaning of ringing the changes. Will get Peter to
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Speaker 2: do that next week because Donald Trump certainly be doing that,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure Andrew will have plenty to say about
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Speaker 2: that next