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My Favorite Conspiracy: Paul Is Dead (w/Kym Kral) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Dey.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: dairy podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Heidar.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 3: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host today. Ooh,
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  Speaker 3: my favorite co host of all no co hosts. But
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  Speaker 3: I do have a very special guest, comedian Kim Crawl
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  Speaker 3: is here. Kim, how's it going? Hi?
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm nervous though too.
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  Speaker 3: I am super excited.
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  Speaker 1: This is like my one opinion that stops every conversation
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  Speaker 1: once I bring it up. Clears zooms men have ghosted me,
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  Speaker 1: like this is my one opinion that like it might
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  Speaker 1: be my one weird thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the whole reason we're doing this is
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  Speaker 3: because you were on an episode of the On Pops
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  Speaker 3: podcast not too long ago and you said the name
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  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney and then threw up some air quotes.
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  Speaker 1: I did do that.
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  Speaker 3: I do do that, which did actually kind of stop
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  Speaker 3: the podcast in its tracks so we could ask what
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  Speaker 3: the what the air quotes were about? And you think
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  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney died in the nineteen sixties, right.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people think Paul McCartney died in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixties.
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  Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. We're doing kind of a format
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  Speaker 3: buster here today. Normally, I bring all the research, I
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  Speaker 3: do all the leg work, and I relay the conspiracy
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  Speaker 3: to the co host or the guest and the audience,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, they decide going the other way. This time,
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  Speaker 3: Kim is going to tell me why it is true
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  Speaker 3: that Paul McCartney died in nineteen sixty six.
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  Speaker 1: I think nineteen sixty six. November ninth, nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: Sixty six, nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: No, November ninth, eleven, nine, but I guess in England though,
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  Speaker 1: it's a nine to eleven. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So Paul McCartney died on nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Go on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So the story is the stories, and I watched
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  Speaker 1: a documentary yesterday too, in between power outages that made
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  Speaker 1: me kind of believe it more, even though they called
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  Speaker 1: the replacement a different name, but the full name. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So basically, in nineteen sixty six, around midnight November ninth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, the Beatles go into recording and Paul
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  Speaker 1: and John get in a fight over lyrics, right, they
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  Speaker 1: get in a big fight over lyrics. Paul gets increasingly
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  Speaker 1: flustered upset, so he leaves. He leaves, and he dies.
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  Speaker 1: He gets a big car accident and basically gets decapitated. Right,
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  Speaker 1: And so there's two. So the story I knew before,
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  Speaker 1: and then the story from the documentary because the story
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  Speaker 1: from the documentary. And I'm kind of using air quotes
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  Speaker 1: because I just I don't feel like they could make
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  Speaker 1: a documentary call it a documentary. How many times can
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  Speaker 1: I say the word documentary?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's really I don't even think it's a real
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  Speaker 3: word anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Take a drink every time I do. Nine am. The
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  Speaker 1: story is that, like the manager, they saw it with
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  Speaker 1: Paul McCartney and it was, like you have to understand,
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  Speaker 1: at the time, in nineteen sixty six, beatle Mania was
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  Speaker 1: at its height, Like it was like people would have
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  Speaker 1: killed themselves had someone like him died.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Also, England was buzzing because they won the World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: So go on a ride with me. They're like, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: we have like right, So the manager, So the doc
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  Speaker 1: the doc documentary, Okay, take a drink. The documentary says
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  Speaker 1: that someone from m I five contacted the remaining Beatles
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  Speaker 1: found them and this, by the way, this is set
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  Speaker 1: up as it's George Harrison's last will and testament, and
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  Speaker 1: this whole documentary is set up around the fact that,
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  Speaker 1: like that the m I five was gonna kill the
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  Speaker 1: Beatles if they came forward with this Billy Shears thing.
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  Speaker 3: So that the documentary you're talking about, the one with
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  Speaker 3: the George Harrison audio.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but it's not him. If you go to IMDb, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Some guy that's like a mockumentary. I don't think that's
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's like a real documentary I watched.
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  Speaker 3: I watched that like ten years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Is it called Paul is Really Dead? We're gonna look
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  Speaker 1: this up. How do you How do you know if
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  Speaker 1: it's a documentary? What if we deil? By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I thought this was real before I watched this documentary,
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  Speaker 1: but wait, it's not a how it Okay? Where does
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  Speaker 1: it say documentary?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's a spoof, but I don't. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe maybe I'm wrong. Go on, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna keep going. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: a spoof. Is spoof?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know either way.
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  Speaker 1: The podcast isn't over because this is how I felt
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  Speaker 1: before I watched this thing. So basically, they had held
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  Speaker 1: a Paul McCartney look alike contest randomly, so they held
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  Speaker 1: this random pop like tiger Beats something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: this this orphan, this Scottish orphan named Billy Shears won,
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  Speaker 1: so the contact Billy Shears and they basically the plan
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  Speaker 1: was only like a week or so, let's just like
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  Speaker 1: this happened, so suddenly, let's like give ourselves some time
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  Speaker 1: so we don't have to announce like possibly one of
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  Speaker 1: the most tragic deaths ever, right, not really, but especially
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  Speaker 1: in that time, how crazy Beatlemania was. So the plan
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  Speaker 1: was and then Billy Shears wasn't really that bad. The
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  Speaker 1: thing is, though, he's a right handed guitar player. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read the notes now you ready for this?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the thing him. For the Beatles to
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  Speaker 3: have put a replacement Paul McCartney in place and recorded
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  Speaker 3: the music they recorded, they needed way more than a
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  Speaker 3: look alike.
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  Speaker 1: No, And that's the other thing though. Right before Paul
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  Speaker 1: McCartney died, they had announced that they were changing their
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  Speaker 1: look and stopping touring. They decided to stop touring just
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  Speaker 1: randomly before that, so they were able to like take
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  Speaker 1: some time because they're like, we're changing our sound. And
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  Speaker 1: that's when Sergeant Kepper came out, which was like a
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  Speaker 1: whole other And that album cover is basically a funeral
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  Speaker 1: to Paul.
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  Speaker 3: That album cover has a lot of references to death
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  Speaker 3: on it. And if you're looking for references to Paul
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  Speaker 3: McCartney's death, you'll find a lot of references to death,
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  Speaker 3: all right, that album cover. But you'll also find references
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  Speaker 3: to death in literally everything. And that thing you just
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  Speaker 3: said about them changing their look and their sound and
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  Speaker 3: their style, is that maybe what they're throwing the funeral
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  Speaker 3: for is the old version of the Beatles. No, are
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  Speaker 3: you sure?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Because why wouldn't they just say that?
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  Speaker 3: Because that's boring, Like, why would they Why would they
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  Speaker 3: say that? Why would they say this album cover represents
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  Speaker 3: the death of the old Beatles baby like we knew,
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  Speaker 3: like you knew that looking at it, that that represented
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  Speaker 3: a different version of the Beatles.
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  Speaker 1: But it also could possibly be that there's a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of references to Paul dying.
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  Speaker 3: It could be, but I am not in any way,
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  Speaker 3: shape or form convinced at all no.
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  Speaker 1: No, okay, this sound.
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  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney was young in nineteen sixty six, and I've
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  Speaker 3: seen like I've looked at the evidence, and for one thing,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the evidence is made up, like all
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  Speaker 3: the stuff from the Abbey Road album. The person who
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  Speaker 3: put that out into the world has since made it
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  Speaker 3: clear that he was joking and that it's not like
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  Speaker 3: he didn't really intend people to take that as facts.
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  Speaker 1: Like the twenty eight now twenty eight and how it
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  Speaker 1: was like a funeral, like, okay, well, the weird thing
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  Speaker 1: is about, after all, that Paul is different in every
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  Speaker 1: album cover, like all the original Beatles, the three original
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  Speaker 1: alive Beatles, and don't get me wrong, I think okay,
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  Speaker 1: the way I really think about this is if five
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  Speaker 1: or ten years from now, Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really Billy Shears that whole thing was real, it
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be. It wouldn't matter because he's been Paul McCarty,
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  Speaker 1: Like Paul McCartney number two has been Paul McCartney longer
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  Speaker 1: than Paul McCartney Number one was, so he's basically Paul McCartney.
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  Speaker 1: So if he came forward and was like, I'm actually this,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm still Paul McCartney. I would be like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not surprised, but if.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we never held thing. That's the whole thing
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  Speaker 3: with any good conspiracy theory. A really important question to
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  Speaker 3: ask is why, like why would this be such a
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  Speaker 3: big deal? And you mentioned, well, the Beatles were so
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  Speaker 3: huge in nineteen sixty six and people would have been
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  Speaker 3: all upset if what if they devastated? Right, but four
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  Speaker 3: years later they weren't, Like the Beatles broke up four
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  Speaker 3: years later.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they say the reason why they actually broke
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  Speaker 1: up was because the new Paul McCartney and John couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get along and John wouldn't quit making all these references
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  Speaker 1: on the album cover. Do you think I'm crazy?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you're crazy, but I think you need
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  Speaker 3: to at least take into account that John Lennon might
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  Speaker 3: have been fucking with you. No, like the Beatles knew
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  Speaker 3: of this rumor, like Paul McCartney was interviewed in it,
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  Speaker 3: interviewed about it in Life magazine, because after the rumor
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  Speaker 3: started spreading, he like Life Magazine went to his fucking farm.
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  Speaker 1: They also broke into his farm, and that they actually
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  Speaker 1: broke into the farm in Scotland where Billy Shears is from.
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  Speaker 1: Now if you and he was angry and was like, fine,
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  Speaker 1: come in here and take these pictures whatever, we'll do
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  Speaker 1: the interview. Because they were like, we got a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of pictures of you that you don't want out there,
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  Speaker 1: but if you give us an interview, Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it was a scheduled interview.
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  Speaker 3: I think they just want they just they just showed
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  Speaker 3: up at his place, yeah, which is what you do.
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  Speaker 3: If there's a rumor that a fake Paul McCartney is
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  Speaker 3: out there in the world. You don't call and say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: can we talk to this fake Paul McCartney. You show
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  Speaker 3: up like Jesse Ventura, but.
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  Speaker 1: He's like Paul McCartney at this point, right, Like he's
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  Speaker 1: like at that point Billy Shears died, Billy Chiers died,
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  Speaker 1: when like the real Paul McCartney died, Okay, meaning like
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  Speaker 1: that guy took on and then that's that's what the
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  Speaker 1: maybe documentary that it doesn't say mockumentary anywhere it has
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  Speaker 1: to say that if it's a documentary.
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  Speaker 3: What what does the documentary? What does the documentary say?
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  Speaker 3: Does it mention that Life magazine interview. Yes, in is
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  Speaker 3: that Let me guess that's just part of the plot, right.
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  Speaker 1: No, they've mentioned it so briefly. I only know about
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  Speaker 1: that from other research I've done.
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  Speaker 3: It does seem pretty important that, like actual journalists went
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  Speaker 3: out to Paul McCartney at the time this rumor was circulating.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you.
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  Speaker 3: Here, here he is.
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  Speaker 1: But if he's there, they're a look alike. There's plastic surgery.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the documentary said. They're like the reason why
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  Speaker 1: m I five was so invested is that they were like,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to have mass the stery on our hands.
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  Speaker 1: We'll give this guy minors plastic surgery, right, And so
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  Speaker 1: it was like, we've used so much of the government
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  Speaker 1: resources now it sounds really crazy, as I'm saying aloud
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  Speaker 1: that like, you can't expose us because we shouldn't tell
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  Speaker 1: the world we're using government resources to like fake a beatle.
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  Speaker 1: But let me ask you, if the journalists go to
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  Speaker 1: the farm and it is in my world it is
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  Speaker 1: a fake Paul McCartney, just pretend it is, right, pretend
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  Speaker 1: we know it is. They're not gonna go there and
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  Speaker 1: be like, are you fake? Paul McCartney and he's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna go like this is like a well developed lie
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  Speaker 1: and at this point this is like a full blown life,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So like they're gonna show
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  Speaker 1: up and he's not gonna be like, ah, you got
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  Speaker 1: me with my pants down, you know, like he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I'm Paul McCartney because he's had to
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  Speaker 1: be Paul McCartney all the time.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't that long into it though.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not like somebody like I'm
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  Speaker 1: not famous like that, right, uh huh. Somedays I leaned
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  Speaker 1: into my microphone. You can't see it because of the thing.
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  Speaker 1: But so like if someone like they decided to replace
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  Speaker 1: me instead of just letting me die, whoever replaced me
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  Speaker 1: could like be themselves. Most of the time, Paul McCartney
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  Speaker 1: was like in the spotlight, so Billy Shears had. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't that long into the rumor, but it
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  Speaker 1: went on for a couple of years before people started
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  Speaker 1: aging it seriously. And it started in the States.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it started with an article in a college newspaper. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: where it was just someone like asking about it.
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  Speaker 1: But why did they ask about it? I couldn't find like,
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  Speaker 1: why was the start? Why did this person?
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  Speaker 3: Well that's the thing or the actual origin of this
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  Speaker 3: rumor is kind of unknown, and the only genesis of
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  Speaker 3: it that we know is the articles that start talking
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  Speaker 3: about it, where like it was covered in a Beatles
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  Speaker 3: fan magazine where they were like, no, fucking Paul is
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  Speaker 3: not dead. It was covered in a couple college newspapers,
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  Speaker 3: It was covered on a radio show, but no one
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  Speaker 3: knows exactly where the rumor started. I don't know which
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  Speaker 3: version of the crash you believe, because he was killed
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  Speaker 3: in the car crash. Yeah, And the version I've always
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  Speaker 3: heard is that he picked up a hitchhiker named Rita.
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  Speaker 3: Oh is that lovely rita meter maid? Let me guess me. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: here's the thing that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, her name was Rita. They actually changed all
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  Speaker 1: of her information. She came back and was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I've decided I would like money or something for keeping
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  Speaker 1: the struy.
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  Speaker 3: The version I've always heard is the girl he picked
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  Speaker 3: up died in the car crash too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I heard she didn't die.
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  Speaker 3: And the version I've always heard is she gets in
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  Speaker 3: the car and sees that it's Paul McCartney that picked
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  Speaker 3: her up and she freaks outside it. She freaks out
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  Speaker 3: and hugs him, and they both die in a car crash,
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  Speaker 3: which raises the question who witnessed her freaking out and
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  Speaker 3: grabbing his neck if it was see.
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  Speaker 1: I always knew she I thought she lived.
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  Speaker 3: Well, tell me about her then, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I heard she lived. So M thirteen goes like this,
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  Speaker 1: guy Maxwell goes and gets the remaining Beatles at their
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  Speaker 1: recording studio. You can't make that face at me?
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  Speaker 3: Is this the Maxwell referenced in Maxwell's Silver Hammer? I
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  Speaker 3: love how all of these people have names that match
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  Speaker 3: Beatles songs. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Eleanor Rigby is apparently about Paul's there's only three people there.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, here's the thing. I six and the CIA both
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  Speaker 3: are brutal intelligence agencies. If John Lennon was intentionally putting
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  Speaker 3: clues to an I six plot on a Beatles album,
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  Speaker 3: they would fucking kill him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Where is John Lennon?
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  Speaker 3: Now? Yeah, he died in nineteen eighty. You think they
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  Speaker 3: killed him in nineteen eighty for putting clues to Beatles?
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  Speaker 1: I think that. I don't think the clues were very like.
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  Speaker 3: People were talking about the clues when the albums were out,
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  Speaker 3: like it was in the c Yes, like the article,
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  Speaker 3: the article you're referencing where it all started in the
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  Speaker 3: United States, that was like sixty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know that. But like the reason why
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  Speaker 1: they say, I mean, I don't know. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: much about John Lennon's death, and that makes me really
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  Speaker 1: sad because I don't want to know why that guy
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  Speaker 1: did it. But like a lot of the articles are saying,
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  Speaker 1: it's because a lot but a few of the articles
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  Speaker 1: are saying, now I understand how crazy I sound by
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  Speaker 1: the way I understand. I'm just saying it's one of
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  Speaker 1: the small ones that I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Like, maybe I don't doubt there might have been some
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  Speaker 3: intelligence agency involvement in the death of John Lennon, But
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  Speaker 3: if there was, it has nothing to do with clues
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  Speaker 3: and beetles out because think of what you just saw.
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  Speaker 1: No, he was gonna go to the documentary, mockumentary whatever
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  Speaker 1: it was. Was like, No, he called George Harrison and
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  Speaker 1: was like, enough's enough. I can't live with this lie anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It's been enough time. I'm just gonna I'm gonna move
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  Speaker 1: to the States and I'm gonna I'm gonna come out
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  Speaker 1: with it, or he moved to the States and then
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  Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna come out with it finally, And
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  Speaker 1: George Harrison was never So this is another weird thing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: real quick. George Harrison spent most of his time in
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  Speaker 1: his castle and after this because he was like, I
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  Speaker 1: was so scared to leave because of all of this.
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  Speaker 1: And number two and they were inducted into the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame, Paul McCartney didn't go, and George Harrison was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't a part of that, so it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Like there was an interview of George Harrison, actual George
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  Speaker 1: Harrison his face. He didn't say he was a part
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  Speaker 1: of that, but he goes, yeah, he wasn't there, and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, don't you find that weird, And he's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: we had a good time without him.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't get along like they really that not every
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  Speaker 3: member of Credence Clearwater Revival showed up when they were
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  Speaker 3: inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But
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  Speaker 3: doesn't mean John Fogerty faked his death in the nineteen sixties.
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  Speaker 3: It just means like fucking hated each other. By the eighties,
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  Speaker 3: Like there's really TV mini series about how much John
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  Speaker 3: and Paul fucking hated each other. There's nothing about Paul
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  Speaker 3: McCartney not showing up for the Rock and Roll Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame induction ceremony that leads me to believe he
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  Speaker 3: died in a car crash in the sixties, nineteen sixty six,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: and I don't know. I still if John Lennon was
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: killed by government forces, it would have been because of
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the kind of person he was and the influence he had,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Because he was killed at a huge turning point in
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: world history where the United States starts really going hard
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: in the paint in Latin America fighting communism.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And in the eighties eighty one, what do you mean?
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I thought that was more seventies.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: No, it was during the Reagan administration. He was elected
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty okay. And John Lennon would absolutely be
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: the type who could organize people and rally them around
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: an anti war message, because it's a thing he had
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: already done. And I'm not speculating that that's why John
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Lennon was killed, But if a government entity killed him,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't be because of clues on a Beatles album.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: You just said yourself. If Paul McCartney came out tomorrow
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and was like, yeah, I was actually Billy Shears that
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: whole time, no one would give a fuck, Like what.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Would be wild? It'd be a wild thing to learn about,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be like it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Would It would be a wild thing to learn about
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: that the world would care about for a day or two.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would probably care about long because
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I've dedicated a lot of time too.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I bet you wouldn't even care about it as long
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: as you think, I mean maybe a week, because it's
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: just it's not that important, Like it's not.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's what Paul McCartney now is, like, this
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: isn't really that important. I've lived a good life as
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Paul McCartney. I'm technically Paul McCartney.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, so tell me some of the other clues. Tell
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: me about some of the other proof.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Well, it was mostly about the album stuff, but you
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: sort of debunked that right away. So do you want
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: me to just read me?
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Well do you have Can you run us through some
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: of the clues on the album cover?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Yes? All right, so let's start.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: All right, I did read about a bunch of these,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: and I have thoughts on some of them if you
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: get to those.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's see, a group of reporters broke into all right,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the rumors died, okay, but the rumors died after the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: reporters broke in and found, you know, and the Lifetime magazine.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: The rumors died shortly after that, and they felt that
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the Beatles were rare. Okay, So then the reason why
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: they're saying that they did the clues on the album
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: was because the Beatles were racked with kilt about their
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: friend dying and how they just sort of continued on. Okay.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: So Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Bam, Club Club Band.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I always said club Bam as a kid, Okay, like
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Club Bam. It depicted Paul's funeral. The cover centers around Paul,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: who was wearing a page that set a patch that
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: says OPD officially pronounced dead. It's actually Ontario Police Department.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, yeah, something like that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: It says provital on my notes, but I don't think
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that's a word on the back cover. George is pointing
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to a line that says Wednesday at five o'clock because
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that is when Paul was officially pronounced dead, and weirdly enough,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: November ninth, nineteen sixty six, was a Wednesday, and he
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: died at five am on Wednesday. Why is he pointing
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: at that? Do you have the Sergeant Pepper only Hart Clebam?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to get the album out?
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: And I know I'm familiar with the album cover and
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I've heard about these clues. But again, that's like saying,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: why did John say the Walrus was Paul? Because he's
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: fucking with you? Like the Beatles knew about these rumors
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: by this point, yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: But they seemed mad about it in interviews, Like when
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you asked Paul, Paul was like, no, I'm alive. Why
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: are At first he was like how would you feel if.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: People every time you sat down for an interview were like, hey,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: can I compare your ears to this old picture of
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: you and see if it's really you? Of course you'd
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: be mad.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was kind of funny.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Well, they obviously did think it was kind of funny.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: That's why they put all those clues on the Sergeant
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Pepper album.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So you think that they had okay, So then Paul
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: is the only one who has his back turned on
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the album. There are also dozens of other symbols for
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: death and other cultures, but there was like literally dozens,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and I didn't understand most of them. It was like, oh,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in Italy they do this, so this is why they
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: did this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Like well, one of the things people point to is
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: everyone else is wearing red and Paul is wearing blue. Yeah,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't Paul be the one covered in blood.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Because the guilt is on their hands. The blood is
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: on their hands.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they really felt guilty about this. That's that's for
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: dam point to point to me where they where they
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: feel guilty.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Well, they can't feel guilty because if they feel guilty,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: then they come forward and then they prove that this
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is then they like they can't show guilt. So that's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: what the album cover is. It's just like clues because
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: they feel guilty. This is the longest I've ever talked
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: about this, and I honestly thought I had way more
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: evidence because most of the time, like I have a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: whole like two pages written out, but most of the time,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: no one ever lets me get this far, and they
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: either leave or they don't. They don't allow me to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to go in circles. You don't think that there's that
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: all a possibility. Why would this rumor start?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, rumors like this start all the time. There's
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: a rumor like this about Avril Levine.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that one might be real too.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: That one is absolutely not real, Like have you seen
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: her talk?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is my only proof.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Listen, wait and wait, you have to just look a
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: little harder. Yes, there are videos that show Avril Levine
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: singing and it sounds like a different person singing. There
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: is also a fifteen minute video thousands and thousands of views,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: very easy to find on YouTube, where an actual vocal
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: coach explains why those two videos sound different. They're in
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: different settings, they are, the acoustics are gonna be different.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: She's had vocal training since her first album. So where
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: people hear, oh, she can't even sing that song the
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: way she used to. It's because it would wreck her
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: voice to do that. She has had training and is
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: a better singer now. She was not killed and replaced
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: by a body double Avril Lavine, especially like what is
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Canada gonna go crazy?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: You see? Okay, So that's the thing, the thing, okay,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: cause first of all, I didn't listen to the vocal.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I just listened to an inner of her talking, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, it's totally a different person. It's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent a different person. Like my voice has
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: been this octave most of the time, right, Like well,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I actually smoked for a long time, and I honestly
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: thought it would go back to being as Mickey mouse
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: as it was before I started smoking. And no, this
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: is just what I sound like now. But like they
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: like not vocally. I just looked at two different interviews
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I could see how that's too,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: but that's the other that's the point of Averril. Like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: first of all, they say she killed herself and it
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: was like she was like a teen pop idol or whatever,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and they didn't want to like glorify suicide. One. Two, Yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would care that much. So now
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that one, I mean I wouldn't. I'd be like, Okay,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: they say Katy Perry is John van A Ramsey, but
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that gets debunked very quickly when you look at the years.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I don't, Yeah, I don't think Katy Perry is John
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Bevane Ramsey. I don't tend to believe really any of
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the replacement conspiracy theories, like there's an Andrew WUK one
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and it's like, why the fuck would Andrew w K
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: get replaced by an imposter?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Ye?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: See exactly? That would be like that makes sense. That
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: would be like someone replacing me with an impostor. It's like, yeah,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: who the fuck cares? Like why why would you even
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: do it? Like and with Paul McCartney. Here's the thing
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: about the Beatles. I don't buy the mass hysteria argument.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think the British government would go to these
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: lengths to cover up the death of a pop star.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Like I'm pretty sure the British government killed Princess Diana,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: and boy was there's some uproar when that happened, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: they didn't have any fucking problem unleashing that sadness on
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the country. So I don't think.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Different time though different different different age group, you know
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like are different like people in power, sure,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: twenty years apart.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: But also like people die, like people die all the time.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: And the thing about the Beatles is they're the Beatles,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Like they didn't really need another Paul McCartney. They had
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: a John Lennon and a George Harrison in the group all.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Paul McCartney was one of the main ones, like.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: He was they have The Beatles are three people. The
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Beatles are John Lennon, George Harrison and Paul McCartney, like
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: they are. The three primary singer songwriters are Ringo. Yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: but I mean Ringo's highly underrated. And also there's a
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: reason he had to join the Beatles for the Beatles
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: to get a record deal. Why because the drummer they
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: had wasn't good enough And they said, yes, yeah, they said,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: you have to replace your drummer.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And I think about Pete Best once a week.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they replaced him with Ringo Starr because he's
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: a good drummer.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: So what happened to Pete Best is dead? Right?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure I think about.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Him once a week, Like can you just imagine?
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I bet he had a decent I mean,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: you could build a career out of that. You could
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: go hit the club circuit, no problem. I'm sure he did. Fine,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I hope.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Mean, we all die, but I think he. I think
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: he lived a while, or maybe he died really quick.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know, in which case they made the right choice,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: because he was just gonna die like an idiot anyway,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: just like Paul McCartney, and they.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Would have had to replace Jeff Best, Pete Best. Rings
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Ringo's star was a star right like. He was like
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the favorite beatle, like the heart throb. He was the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: one that everyone was attracted to sexually.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I still maintain like, not musically, but Ringo's my favorite
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: beatle In terms of ones, the ones I'd want to
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: hang out with, I think Ringo is the only one
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I would want to hang out with. I know George
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Harrison seems nice, but if you watch that documentary about
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the making of the Let It Be album, everyone always
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: talks about like Yoko Ono being the annoying presence in
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: those last few days. I think everyone but Yoko and
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Ringo were being annoying. Yoko was pretty chill. Ringo just
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: wanted to do his job. John Lennon would not stop
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: hanging on Yoko. Paul McCartney brought fucking kids to the
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: studio like a real even you even I did that
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: for your benefit and for the benefit of mister Kite,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: and George Harrison brought like a bunch of fucking Harry
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Krishnas and just had him sit in the corner and
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: stare at people. It's like, I don't want any fucking
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: part of that either, give me that Ringo and Yoko
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: energy all day.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Well do you think too? By that point they were
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: like not like we know stars now, right, like we
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: know like famous people now. But those guys at that point,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that's like that was unheard of. They were almost like gods.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: And that gets to a human's brain, you know, So
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: of course they're doing weird shit like bringing a group
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: of Harry Krishna's and watching the whole thing, of course.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, but do you think John Lennon speak sounds?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a genius and I love
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: all of his music, right, but he sounded almost insufferable
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to listen to, you.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Know, like when he's like yeah, because he was insufferable
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: when he talked. Oh man, But do you honestly think
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: if that was a fake Paul McCartney he would have
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: that much swagger within the group, Like do you think
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: a band that had been together since they were kids
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: would let a fake Paul McCartney come in and essentially
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: run the band? Because at that point in history, Paul
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: McCartney does kind of after Brian Epstein. I think Brian
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Epstein died back in the sixties, But after they lose
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: their manager, Paul McCartney does step in for a while
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: and kind of assume the managerial role within the band.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Why would they let an impostor do that?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, two things with that. One one of the conspiracies,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it was Brian Epstein that actually orchestrated this whole thing
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and was like, we can't. We're only going to do
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a placeholder for a few days just to figure out
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: what to do. Two. One of the things is John.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: When they were talking about replacing him, John was like,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I have enough songs and music that Paul and I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: wrote together that we haven't presented to the group that
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I can keep the John Paul writing thing going on
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: albums for at least fifty more songs. Like, I have
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: enough material that I can keep this going. Two, you
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: only know what we saw, right, So it's like, oh,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Paul was sort of the lead guy before he died,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Like him and John were the lead people before he died.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: So in order to keep the thing up, they'd have
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to show at least to the world that but John
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: was in charge. I think John was in charge of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the whole thing.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, but the history begs, history begs to differ, Like
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney did take on a bunch of managerial duties
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: within the Beatles after he is alleged to have died,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and I don't think the Beatles would have gone for that,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: like but I don't.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: It could have just been for show, is what I'm saying.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Like, Okay, so who was their manager then? I don't
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: know it was John Lennon, but they were having Paul
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: McCartney pretend.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: To do it. He was the manager may he As.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Ryan Epstein died, they didn't a manager for a while,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: so you get this mad every time someone had to
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: step in and assume that role. And for a long time,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney was that person in the Beatles who assumed
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: that role. And there's also you mentioned John Lennon saying, well,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I have enough songs. John Lennon and Paul McCartney had very, very,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: very very different writing styles.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had enough of his Like they wrote
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: enough songs, Okay, Like I have enough material. I just
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: googled that hold on.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: So now, so now the conspiracy isn't that they happened
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: to find a perfect look alike with the same musical
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: chops as Paul McCartney. Now it's they just needed the
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: look alike and John Lennon wrote the music.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Billy Shears helped. He was a musician. He
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: was a right handed guitar player.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, have you ever learned to play guitar? No, you
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: cannot switch from playing right hand guitar to left hand
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: guitar in the amount of time it would have been
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: necessary for Billy Shears to do that.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Well, they weren't playing live, so it's not they When
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: they were doing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: It, they played live on the rooftop during the Let
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: it Be sessions. Who was playing?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: What year was that?
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: It was nineteen sixty nine. Oh no, I mean you
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: are right that they stopped touring, but.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Oh no, But also, real quick your manager question. The
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: manager Alan Klein took over the Beatles business affairs in
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine following the death of Brian Epstein.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of the things that broke the Beatles up.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Because Brian Epstein died, Paul McCartney starts assuming kind of
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: a managerial role, and then John Lennon brings in that
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: guy who was the Rolling Stones manager, and that is
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: actually kind of the last nail in the coffin for
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: the Beatles. So it was them disagreeing on business decisions
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: and I still just don't think they would have let
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: an imposter have that much weight in those business decisions.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I also, if this involved the government, I still see
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: no world where they would let the Beatles put all
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: of these hints about this plot out to the public.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But they aren't that obvious. They also said in a
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: documentary that the guy Maxwell called and was like, you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: guys have to stop doing this. And then that's when
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the White album came out, where it was just the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: White album, but inside there were some clues. Also. The
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: theory is John was going crazy and that's why he
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: was doing that, and they were hoping they were going
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to get away with it. George was like, this is scary.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: That's why he made those tapes that they tried to there.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I think it was a documentary not a documentary, because
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: they were like, look, we tried to authenticate these, like.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: But it's not really George Harrison on the tapes.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: No, But I think that's for movie purposes, right, So.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: You think someone heard the tapes and then re recorded
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: them in their best George Harrison voice.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, why but not?
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: But for like the movie, why you just play the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: tapes in the movie.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I want you to know that I
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: understand that there are a lot of holes in this.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: There's I have always felt there were a lot of
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: holes in the Paul is Dead theory.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I just then, how do I just don't know where
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: it would come from. That's the only thing that I'm like, like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: how could this, this type of rumor get so much traction?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: There's back then, there's no internet, you know what I mean,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: There's no Internet. The only thing we really have is
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: like magazines and newspapers, And like, I just don't understand
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: where this could have with some college kid was just like, oh,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: I mean it started as a rumor, but like rumors.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney was involved in a car accident in nineteen
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: sixty six.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: On November ninth.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was on November ninth, but he
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: was involved in a perfectly well publicized car accident and
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: sustained some minor injuries. The same thing happened with Bob Dylan.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Bob Dylan had a mysterious motorcycle crash that like no
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: one talked about, like they knew it happened, but there
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: were no details.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Two things, sorry to interrupt, okay. One, the rumor about
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Bob Dylan is that that wasn't a real car wreck.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: It was just a way to get him into rehab.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: That could be And then and then the second one,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: what if they did that car What if they well
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: publicized this big car wreck so they could explain some
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: of the scars on Paul McCartney.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: What if he just got scars in a car accident.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Well, no, he used to campitate it in that car accident.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: There's also rumors that he blew his own head off
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and that at that act, like he actually.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: In a car, he didn't notice that the light had changed.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: That's a line from A Day in the Life by No.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I know. I just didn't expect you to know so much.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I thought I was just gonna explain it all and
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: then you were going to be like cool, But you're like, no,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't know that you'd I know.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: A lot about the Beatles. I'm a big Beatles fan.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I read when the Beatles put out that anthology book,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: like the huge coffee table size one. I read that
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: shit in three days. I like the Beatles a lot,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: and I know a lot of out them, and I've
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: seen all of these clues and they're all things. It
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: reminds me of that conspiracy where people are like, oh,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Stanley Kubrick hides a bunch of Illuminati symbols in his movies.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Sure he hides for one thing. He doesn't hide any
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: of that shit. They're just there, and they are a
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: cult symbols, and a cult symbology is prevalent in art
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: all throughout history. It doesn't mean Stanley Kubrick is shouting
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: out the Illuminati. And the genesis of that conspiracy theory
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: is a comedy article that popped up on the Internet
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five, I think. And every example of
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: that conspiracy sense leaves that part out. No one ever mentions, oh, well,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the first person to bring this up was joking like
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: that part always gets left out. And that's kind of
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the case with the Beatles too, like not so much
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: with the Sergeant Pepper stuff, but all of the app
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Road stuff. Because then you said, well, Maxwell called them
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: and said, hey, I'm gonna drop my silver hammer on you.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: If you don't stop putting these clues on your album covers, Well,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: then explain Abbey Road that comes out after the White
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: album and that's got a ton of alleged clues.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Well they did this, Uh they the Baby, the Baby
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and Meat album. You know where they have the doll heads.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Butcher cover.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's not like that was the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: original cover and now the one to the public is
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Paul in a box. That's when they said. Maxwell called
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and says, what are you doing? You can't do this anymore?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And John was like, Okay, we'll do this.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I I do. I know the Beatles got a
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: phone call over that Butcher cover, but I think that's.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You don't think it was. It's I six, not m
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I five. It might have been a mockumentary. They called
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: it I five.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: There's five and I six are both okay, they called
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: it I five British intelligence agencies. Yeah. I don't know
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: the exact difference. But the thing about the Butcher cover,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: think about the Beatles demographic at that time. It's like
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: teen girls, like they're the first, like legitimate boy bank.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: And I think the reason they were forced to change
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: that cover is because that is a shocking look to
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: put out to a bunch of teenage girls. You sitting
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: around with meat cleavers and bloody doll parts, like, I
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: think that's why it was changed. Also, didn't that album
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: come out before nineteen sixty six?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Once a call, what's the album?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I think that's yesterday and today?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: But I'm not no baby baby parts Beatle album. This
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: is how I.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Google every Beatles Butcher cover. It is yesterday, yesterday, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: today and it came out in June nineteen sixty six.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: That blows up the theory a little bit.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Huh, oh my god. How can you just make a
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: documentary and not have any facts in there? I spend
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: four dollars rending this thing slash. I bought it. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: just decided to buy it because I was like, it's wanting.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: To watch it multiple times obviously.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, well, renting it is two dollars
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and buying it is five. Buy When I just buy.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: It because I can't afford not to buy it, you have.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: To buy it price?
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: What about this? Okay, this is another thing I had.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty sixty eight, an unknown artist named Terry
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Knight spent a lot of time with what would have
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: been the replacement Paul. When Paul McCartney wanted to sign
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Terry to their record company Apple, which, by the way,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: it was supposed to be uh, a Paul. It was
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: a Paul. They were doing like a thing with Paul.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Never mind, I forgot what it was called.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: But never Apple is what I think. Go on?
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, So, when Paul McCartney wanted to sign Terry to
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: their record company Apple, he wrote a song called Saint Paul,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: which people said he was alluding to Paul being dead,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: or some think it was a reference to the Beatles
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: being close to Jesus because of what John had said earlier.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: But and I listened to the song and I thought
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it was more creepy homage to Paul instead of evidence
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: that Terry knew that it was a fake Paul. I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: listened to it, it was just more do you know
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: what song I'm talking about?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah? And what I've always heard about the song is
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: that because again we've talked about how at that point
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: in Beatles history there were a lot of business differences
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: more than creative differences like their music, like they were
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: still fine when they were sitting around recording songs the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: way they recorded songs, which was also very unique and
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: not a thing I think you could just slip an
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: imposter into. But it's fine. But they had a lot
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: of business differences. And what I've always heard about this
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: song is that this guy was close enough to the
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Beatles at the time that he saw a lot of
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: those arguments and disagreements and mostly sided with Paul McCartney.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: And that's what that song is about, is him saying, Hey,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: when it comes to all this internal shit with the Beatles,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Paul is actually right as opposed to hey, Paul is
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: dead and in heaven right now. Because also also that guy,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: if again, if we're talking I five, I six, that
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: guy gets murdered in the recording studio, like that song
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: immediately would never come out. If that's yeah, that's well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: This okay, So that this was this okay. The song
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: released in April sixty nine, months after the The Dead
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Paul rumor started. The publishing company took notice and re
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: released this single to give credit to John and Paul
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: because there were so many Hey Jude references. Publish it
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and it made sense. Publish it correctly and the royalties
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: are handled properly. But also there was a weird thing
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: too that I read about the or was in the documentary.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I just didn't want to admit that I got that
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: too from the documentary because I'm starting to rethink. I
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: can't believe I sent five dollars on that. No regrets.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I'll probably watch it a few more times, so publish
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: it correctly and then they can handle out the royalties correctly.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: What people think is that the fake Paul commissioned Terry
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to write the song to tell people the truth, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: when the song wasn't a hit, they just change up
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the publishing stuff just to make the royalties easier. The
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: song isn't proof, but it's definitely where most people think
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the original conspiracy started. The original conspiracy started in the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Detroit area, and that is where Terry was from. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Terry died in two thousand and four and never gave
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a single interview on the subject. That's kind of weird.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't he just be like, Yeah, that was Paul McCartney.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Why are we still Why is no one just being like,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: why is Paul McCartney not just going Look, I'm Paul McCartney.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I know these rumors are still going on.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: McCartney addressed it on Saturday Night Live, but.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Not really he did, but it was like ha ha,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, I'm really Paul McCartney.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, how many times does Paul McCartney have to
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: say he's Paul McCartney.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Has he submitted a DNA test?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: He doesn't have to? Oh, I know, no one has.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: To do that unless it's a criminal thing.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: But I like, if I was him, I wouldn't. I
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: would why to get people to stop talking like talk
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: like who cares?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there is one reason also, like if he
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: submitted to a DNA test, I would believe it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: If it came back and said he's one hundred percent
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: that bitch.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean we both know that all of my
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: thoughts on this aren't grounded in complete facts. I'd probably
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: be bummed for a few days, but then I would
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I would move on. It'd be the same if I
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: came out and it said Paul mccartny's not really Paul McCartney. Also,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Paul McCartney and I have the same birthday, so that
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: would really bum me out if because I don't have
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the same birthday as Billy Shears, I don't know when
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that guy's birthday is.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: So who wrote all the Wings songs and.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: All that the band that Paul was in at some point.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: And all his solo records.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Who, Yeah, probably him. I mean, this guy is a musician.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: When they found him, he's a musician. That's the thing
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that they're like, Yeah, he actually was a pretty good musician.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: The only thing that was weird is that he had
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the wrong and the sound is different, and paul sound
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: is different from when between the accidents, even though yes,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: they announced they're going to make their sound different.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Paul was a growing young boy. Like you often underestimate
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: that the Beatles were all like fourteen when they broke up,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: like they've been they've been and I'm exaggerating. Oh, I
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: was like really, but they've been making music since they
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: were like fourteen.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: And the one thing I learned from this whole thing
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: is that my father was a die hard Beatles fan,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: and that means he was the adult person that loved
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: in sync in the nineties like he loved I mean,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I know it's a little different, but it also is like, God, Dad,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you made fun of me for liking crappy music. I
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: love the Beatles, but if the Beatles are really the
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: original boy band. And the way everyone made fun of
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the boy bands now right, we're screaming girls, well, makes
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: you look at your dad different, It's all I'm saying.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people, they're being a little fast and loose with
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: the rules though when they call the Beatles a boy band,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: and I know I just did it too, but I
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: don't know, Like in Sync wasn't getting in a studio
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: and sitting down and hammering out songs on instruments and shit, like,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: there is a difference between the Beatles and like new
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: kids on the block, new additions obviously, Yeah, Like the
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Beatles were actually talented music musicians, not just talented singers
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: and performers. They weren't that amazing as performers. That's part
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: of the reason they stopped touring. I mean, the reason
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: they stopped touring is singer the Beatles, the Beatles. Oh okay,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: the reason the Beatles stopped touring. I don't think it's
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: because Paul McCartney died. It's because the technology of the time,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: like the music equipment of the time, couldn't really keep
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: up with the audiences they were pulling like they were playing.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: If you look at like the Shaye Stadium concert. They're
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: playing with the kinds of amps that you see a
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: bar band use, oh wow, and meanwhile they're playing Shaye
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Stadium with tens of thousands of people screaming at the
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: top of their lungs. That's why there's not really any
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: good Beatles live albums, because all the Beatles live stuff
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: sounds like shit because there's just a billion fucking people
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: shrieking in the background while they're playing through the kind
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: of equipment you could put in your apartment without getting
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: into much trouble for it. Here's the thing. One of
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: the things people say about conspiracy theories, especially the more
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: outlandish ones, and why people believe them and why they
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: spread is people are looking for an explanation to things
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: that seem unexplainable.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Like what how is this? There's nothing in this.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: There's not Look at the Beatles pre Sergeant Pepper and
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: post Sergeant Pepper. That is a jarring change, even though
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: their music was heading in that direction. Rubber Soul and
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Revolver are way different than Please Please Me and these
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: albums where they were playing like R and B covers
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: and I Want to Hold Your Hand and shit. Once
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: they hit revolver in rubber soul, their music starts getting weirder.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: That's when they start like fucking with the sitar. You know,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: they're like taking acid. Like that's the thing. The Beatles
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: started taking drugs. That's why Sergeant Pepper looks the way
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: it does. It's not because anyone died, But I think
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: that change alienated a lot of people. It had to
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: like people who were expecting them to show up in
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: matching suits and go oo want sergeanty Do you.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Think that's where it started?
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: The rumor?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Somebody made a rumor one of them must have died.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Now that's a wild that's a wild thing to jump from,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: because really, before I knew.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: This, it's why why would why would that be so wild.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: That one of them died and was replaced by ourn impostor.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: That's a crazy thing to make up.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Why are you? Why are you yelling at me? I
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: didn't make it up.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not yelling.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: But someone made it up, and I think that's I
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: think that's what it is. I think people were trying
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: to rationalize this. The Beatles went through at that like
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: saying they were kids.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: They were kids. They got a bunch of fame and
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: then they were like cool kids too, you know. So
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: they were like, we were making all this money by
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: being essentially a boy band, and we want to be
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: real artists. That's what all are just go through, right,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: They like get all their money from the like fans,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and then they change.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Fans don't like change. As someone who has hosted a
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: podcast since twenty thirteen, let me tell you, fans don't
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: always like change. And there is what.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Change did you do that the fans didn't like?
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, grew as a person over
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: the past ten years, like oh, who knows, but not.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Like the label or something or the logo. You didn't
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: start talking in an accent. There is a.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Pretty famous video of Beatles fans watching the video for
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Strawberry Fields for the first time. It's like a live
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: studio audience and everyone is so fired up to watch it,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: and then they see that crazy ass video and it
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: cuts back to that audience and they're like, uh, I.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Don't think I've seen that video.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: That's the and they interview people and some of them
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: are like, yeah, man, I think it's pretty cool, and
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: there's others who are like I want to cry, Like
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: this is the worst thing I've ever seen. The Beatles changed.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: They changed, and it makes pointing to their music at
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the time as proof of a death conspiracy very easy
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: because a lot of things in the Beatles were changing
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: and dying at the time, and that was coming through
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: in their work.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I've dedicated a lot of time to believing this, also
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: with stuff six hours tops.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: But with stuff like George Harrison pointing to Wednesday.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Plays they at five o'clock.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: At five o'clock. There's a thing police do when they
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: are interviewing someone that they want to pin a murder
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: on but don't have enough evidence, where they will feed
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: that person details that they didn't necessarily know, with the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: hope that eventually that person's going to circle back around
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: and give them that detail. For me to believe that's
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: George Harrison referencing Paul McCartney's death, I would need to
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: see this rumor discussed before that album came out, because
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: that album comes out really, really soon after Paul McCartney
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: died allegedly. So is that George Harrison pointing to Wednesday morning,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: five am as when Paul McCartney died.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Or all like people months after, right?
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: So was this rumor discussed before that, And did anyone
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: before the Sergeant Pepper album ever say he died Wednesday
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: morning at five am? Or have people taken George Harrison
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: pointing to Wednesday morning at five am on Sergeant Pepper
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: as proof that that's when Paul died.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me google this.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna find an answer to that.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Like it's oh, there's a new video, Thank god.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it blows everything open. Because here's the thing.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: If you look into this rumor, it didn't start getting
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: discussed and it didn't really start generating steam until like
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: sixty eight, like maybe late sixty seven, But like the
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: articles that come out about it in the radio reports,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: those are all like sixty eight, sixty nine. So by
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: that point, it's just as possible that the people spreading
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: this fake story are pulling the details of the story
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: from the Sergeant Pepper album cover, as opposed to the
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Sergeant Pepper album cover being the story.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Because that's really specific, knowing the day that he got
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: in the car wreck, but we also don't know, like
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: it's not the way it is now, Like if someone
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: got in a car wreck now, there'd be a million
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: things we could Google, you know what I mean, Like
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Paul McCartney back then, It's like there probably wasn't even
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: a news van there, and they said Rita died, and
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: then Rita lost her leg, changed her name, and then
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I believe became his wife.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: So who's is Linda Eastman supposed to be Rita?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I think so? Isn't she the one who lost her
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: leg and then they started doing music together? Or was
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: that Jessica?
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: No, Heather Mills.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Heather Mills.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Heather Mills was like in her thirties when she married
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney. How old was she when she got in
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: that car? Eight?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know how old. When was that when they
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: got together?
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Heather Mills like he married her in like the nineties
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: or maybe even the two thousands. He was married to
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Linda Eastman not long after. Linda Eastman is on the
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: cover of the Life magazine interview about the death rumors.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: There's an there's a magazine article I found from the
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: New York Times from like nineteen sixty eight, written by
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: a guy who worked on a book with Linda Eastman,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: and it's called No, No, No, Paul is not dead.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: What so?
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, heathern book Heather Mills is the article. It's called No,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Paul's not dead, not the books.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Forty when they married in two thousand and two.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Right, and how old was he? One hundred and nine?
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Right, sixty five?
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's howl is he now?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: He just turned eighty?
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: That's probably not Rita then, Okay.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I guess this documentary laid heavily on the fact that
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: some of us wouldn't look up some information and just
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: take it.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: That's the thing so many documentaries do.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: That's scary for other stuff. But it says okay, here
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: it says the rumor started circulating in nineteen sixty seven,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: but it gained broad popularity in nineteen sixty nine. Right, okay,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: real quick. The only reason why I know this isn't
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: hard facts, but the only reason why I believe that
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: maybe I could be wrong. Paul McCartney wrote a song
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: for John Lennon called Here Today, and he sings it
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: live and it's one of the most hauntingly beautiful songs
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I've ever heard in my life. And I don't think
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Billy Shears could have written out about some guy that
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: he barely knew or he knew enough.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, also Paul McCartney also wrote a song
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: have you ever heard let Me Roll It?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: No?
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: John Lennon at the time like in this, I think
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: you would also have to know John Lennon pretty fucking well.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: John Lennon and Paul McCartney at the time were engaged
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: in this public feud where John Lennon was like, oh,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I'll make the avant god music. Baby, you're making pop hits.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: And I think that he sounds like Austin Powers.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Everyone in England sounds like Austin Powers, especially at that
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: point in history. And Paul McCartney was like, bitch, I
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: can make the music you make. I'm just not a
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: fucking weirdo. And so Paul McCartney makes this song called
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: let Me Roll It that is essentially a John Lennon song.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: It in music, in lyrics, in the way his fucking
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: voice sounds. It is a John Lennon song, but it's
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney doing it. And the whole point is, motherfucker,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: you're not that special, Like I just don't make music
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: the way you do, and you're so self righteous that
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: you think everyone should make music the way you do.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make you special, it makes you an asshole,
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: And I don't think an impostor could have pulled a move.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Like that either, even at that point.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: What year was that, uh, let me roll it. I
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: think was seventy seventy one something like that.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: It's six years later. That's I know a lot of
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: people I've only known for a few years that I
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: know well enough. And if you're in the studio, I
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: don't think that de bunts it. You're in the studio
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and you spend that much time with somebody because you're
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: in the same band and you're famous together, you get
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: to know him pretty well, right, Like, how many people
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: do you know that you went on the road with
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: for like a mom You know, like you haven't known them,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and then you go on the road with him for
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: like a week. You know him pretty well afterwards. Maybe
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: not enough to mimic their comedy, but years is enough
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: for him to especially if he's a musician.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: But also, have you ever heard the SNL story about
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: John and.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Paul It was Saturday Night Live.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, there's a very famous skit. I think it was
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Lorne Michaels. But someone comes out during the opening monologue
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: and basically offers the beatles like five hundred dollars to
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: reunite on SNL like he was obviously joking like that's
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: not enough money. Yeah, And there was this funny thing
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: that happened a couple weeks later where just George Harrison
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: showed up.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: It was like a skit, but for the five hundred dollars.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: That's very funny.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: But as coincidence would have it, John Lennon and Paul
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: McCartney were in New York hanging out together the night
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: that happened, and they almost because Saturday Night Live is live,
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: and they almost went down there in did that? Why
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: would John Lennon and fake Paul McCartney have a moment
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: like that? What would be in it for John Lennon
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: to reunite with fake Paul McCartney just on some friendship
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: stuff all those years later? Because there's when I say,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: there's like a TV mini series about it. That's what
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I mean. There's a TV movie about that night when
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: John Lennon and Paul McCartney were hanging out in that
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live thing happened. It was on VH one who.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Played Paul McCartney and John Lennon.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: In Billy Billy Shears played both.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I hate you, Like.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Like Eddie Murphy, he.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Just played close.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, look like I yesterday yesterday one of.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: My one of my things that was hilarious, one of
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I one of the things that I would not I
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: don't believe it is that John and Paul relationship. Like
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: that's the one thing that keeps me from but everything else,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, man, Crazier things have happened,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: but the John and Paul relationship are the one thing
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: that I'm like, that's hard to fake.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: It's very hard to fake. And I don't know that
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: this is the kind of thing like someone would have
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: talked like this would have this would have to involve
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: so many moving parts, because.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Really I'd be ten people.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: I don't care how good of a musician you are.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I don't care how much plastic surgery you get. Like
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: if a fake version of one of my really good
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: friends walked in the room right now, I'd be like,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: what the fuck's going on with you? Like why, Like
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: this is weird? Like you seem like you but not
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: like you. Like it's easy to say, Oh, he was
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: a good enough musician that he could just fall into
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: the band and he could write the songs and he
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: could learn to play guitar with a different hand.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: But but then you spend well, what who is he
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: spending time with at that time? Those guys like you're
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: that famous, you have four people around you, like you
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: don't go like you don't go to a party.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Huh, you got a wife and kids?
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: You have kids that time.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: He's holding his kid on the cover of the Life
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: magazine thing or maybe if I want to Linda Eastman's kids.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But when he also had like Paul McCartney,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: it wasn't like I get that the Beatles weren't touring,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: but he still had to do shit like he was.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Still on March of nineteen sixty nine, he had a kid, okay,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: his first kid. Okay, that would have just made me
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: not believe any of it if children were involved.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: But Paul McCartney still had to do stuff like he
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: was still a person. He still had, like the Beatles
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: had business things going on. The Beatles were recording music
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: this whole time. Like it's one thing to say, yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: they found an adequate musician. Which also, you don't just
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: need an adequate musician to replace Paul McCartney, like you
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: need Paul McCartney to replace Paul McCartney. There is a
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: reason the Beatles are the Beatles, and so many other
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: bands are who they are, but it's gonna be way
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: harder to fit into that social scene and all the
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: shit the Beatles start doing, because there's all these videos
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: of them, like fucking hanging out with Bob Dylan and
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: taking acid and talking about drugs, and these are all
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: people who knew Paul McCartney before, and not a single
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: one was like, hey, you're not Paul McCartney, or the
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: government went to the entire British pop scene at the
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: time and was like, don't say shit, you say shit.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Also, we wouldn't if someone if not Jeff May, showed
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: up but looked like Jeff May, talk like Jeff May.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't like hammer him thinking he was not Jeff May.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: You would think is my friend? Okay, what's going on?
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I'd have questions either way, but you wouldn't be like.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: You're obviously not Jeff May. Where's the real No one
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: thinks that way, like no one thinks you must be
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: an impostor. That's what makes me confused. Where this uh?
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I think you mean impulster.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: That was good, That was really good.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Things like that was all right? Yeah, I don't know.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe i'd get there maybe at some point.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, the way my head works, i'd think alien
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: before like the government replaced him. I'd be like you
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: a shape shifter.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Would you really think that? No? But I want to
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: hire it looks like me to hang out with you
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and see if you.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: I am willing to take up that challenge just for
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: the you hire someone who looks like you parton?
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: That's the thing that yes, do that show me how
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: easy it is to find someone who looks and sounds
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: exactly like you, who could have have fake Kim Crawl
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: host an episode of your podcast sometime and see if
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: people notice.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I don't like admitting that I possibly could be wrong.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: But but I assumed you didn't know that much, and
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna and you know all of it.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've looked into I've looked into this theory.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: There's a reason we haven't done an episode about it
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: because I just don't I don't believe. And actually we've
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: done episodes about celebrities who people claim were replaced by lookalikes.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure celebrities Paul McCartney came up. Uh, there's
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Avril Lavine, Andrew WK. Eminem is one Eminem. Eminem in
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: terms of like physical features might be the most compelling, like.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: He does place Eminem. What happened to him?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: The rumor there is that he died in I think
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: died of a drug overdose. It might have also been
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: a car crash, though maybe a drug induced car crash,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: but something like that. In that, they just wanted to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: keep the money train going, so they pumped out a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: new Eminem and that's why there was like five years
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: between a couple of his albums. I don't know. I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: don't believe it. I think it's I think it's also
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: not true. If Eminem did get in a crazy car accident,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: might explain why his face looks different.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Well, have you, okay, what conspiracy do you do this podcast?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Do you not believe in any conspiracy theories?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I believe in so many, so many.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I feel defeated. I feel like I didn't come with
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: as much as I thought I came with, and you
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: debunked it all very quickly, and I'm very disappointed.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: It's just not that much to it there's not, but.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I still it's one of those that I would believe
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: if it happened, Like if they were like, yeah, this
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: actually happened, I would be like, oh, I believe it.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see someone trying it. I just don't
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: know if it would have been as successful as it
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: was now.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't because people found out, did they not.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I guess that's one of the things that I'm like this,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: if this actually was George Harrison's last will and testament
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: and it was like tapes, it wouldn't have been just
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: some guy in some small studio. That's it's been a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: disappointing few days. Not that I want Paul McCartney to die,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: because I love Paul McCartney. I have a Beatle tattoo.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's that's a lot. Does it just say
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: the Beatles.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: No, it's as Paul McCartney died in nineteen sixties. It's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: a tramp stamp.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: That's where the rumors started.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: That's right there, right there. No, it's just a whisper
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: words of wisdom.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, let it be all right.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Did anybody leave any comments where they were like, she's making.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: A no, no for they mean to me. No, there
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: weren't a lot of comments. I think people were just
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: rapped with attention. I don't think that's how you say that.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Oh they were paying attention.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people were just listening. They were waiting for
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: you to sell them. And I'm sure some listen. I'm
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: sure you did.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Well, are you gonna say some what?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you sold some people on it. I don't
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: have any doubt, not me, but but what.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, I still stand by one day on Paul's deathbed,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be like I'm Billy Shears.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I would too if I was Paul McCartney, just to
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: like fuck with people.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Even then, you wouldn't believe it. If he gives us
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: a d why isn't he given a DNA test.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Because he doesn't have to. That's like asking why the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Sandy Hook parents don't give Alex Jones DNA tests on
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: all their kids.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's not exactly it's the.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: Same, exactly the same, but it's not that far off.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: The answer is because you're not entitled to that level
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: of information just because you got a hunch about Paul
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: mc cartney, Like, I don't.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Want the information. I think he should just give the information,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: so the rumor will die and Kim can rest in peace.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: You think the government couldn't fake something like that? What
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: do you have Paul McCartney's real DNA to compare it with?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: See? So do you think the government can't fake that?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: But they can totally No.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, what if Paul McCartney was like, swallowed my
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: cheek baby, what would you do with that?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: He doesn't say, would you.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: You run that up? Twenty one? In me and whatever
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: or whatever it's called.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Do you want to see some pictures that I pulled
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: up that I had ready so you could see the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: differences between Paul McCartney before nineteen sixty six and Paul
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: McCartney after nineteen sixty six.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen those pictures and that's the same
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: thing you see that in like the Avril lavine thing
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: where you got to take perspective into account also, and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: like the distance at which pictures are being taken the shadows.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: If Paul McCartney was in a car accident, was there
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: some sort of plastic surgery he had to have that
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: was reconstructive in nature? That might change things? Like I've
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: seen the pictures.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Your theory on the whole They made it up and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: they were trying to run with it on Sergeant Pepper,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: and no one really talked about the time until after
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Pepper. I'm still not convinced. I still kind of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: believe it.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, how did George Harrison know what time Paul McCartney died.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Because he left the studio at like fourish and they
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: got the call like six ish and.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: The cops like, he was like, what was the exact
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: time of death? Baby? Awry Christna, what's on? Did he die?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Well? I'm sure they told him, you know, and someone
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I know when, like you think the police
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, mister Harrison, he died a yeah, a minute.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: He doesn't sound like awestin power, that's the cop.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, like if your friend was
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: in a car, like if your close best friend died
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: in a car accident, they tell you the time of death.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: He wasn't like, hey, can someone tell me the time
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: of death? Because I'm making this like no, they like
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: they said that they brought him to the the maxwell
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: brought them to the car wreck to identify Paul McCartney.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, that's our friend, Paul McCartney and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, time of death was around five o'clock. Am.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: Why did Maxwell take them.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Because he was the guy who was handling that when
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: they when they found out that it was Paul McCartney,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: they called m I three who.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Knew it was Paul McCartney. If the Beatles had to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: come identify him, say.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: That part's unclear.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: It sure is.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Rita's the one who knew it was Paul McCartney.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: And she was decapitated, and she was in good enough
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: health that she could be like, is Paul McCartney in it?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Well that had that That's not proof. That happens all
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: the time. Someone in a car accident walks away and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: called the police, and then the.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Police, and then the police called Maxwell.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Damn it.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I just I don't I don't know why. I don't
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: know would it would go down that way? Like I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: get that the you know, the Beatles are celebrities and things,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean, I just this would be so
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: needlessly elaborate thing when you could just as easily sit
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: people down and be like, look, this is gonna hurt,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: You're gonna be sad. But Paul McCartney died, Like yeah,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: motherfuckers might be distraught. You might get a couple people
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: who would kill themselves, but those people were gonna kill themselves.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: You're doing it over Paul McCartney. You were looking for
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: an excuse. So I just don't understand what the motivation
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: would be, even the part where, oh, it's keeping the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: money going. The Beatles could have kept going without Paul McCartney,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: you think so, Yeah, I mean, the Beatles talked all
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: the time about kicking George out and adding Eric Clapton
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: to the band.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: But that was a joke, No, wasn't. Like John Wrinnan
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: was a real dick.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, John Lennon was an asshole. But also you gotta
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: think of all the talent around them at the time,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: like Bob Dylan. They would have found someone to join
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: that band. Fucking Pete Townsend could have joined that band.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I just keep going back to, like, why did this
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: rumor start and how is it? Like it's just weird.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's because the Beatles changed so much,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: and people want an explanation for that change that goes
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: beyond well, people change sometimes, but people don't want that.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: They want there to be some extenuating circumstance that has
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: made the band that was their favorite band, that sounded
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: one way and looked one way. Now they sound a
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: whole different way and look a whole different way. And
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: why why did this happen? Why did this happen to me?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: And eventually some idiot landed on you know when they
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: said Paul McCartney had a car accident in nineteen sixty six,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: I bet he died and that's why the Beatles had
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: to change. So never mind the fact that they were
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: writing a bunch of the Sergeant Pepper's stuff before his
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: alleged death date like that, you know.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing that they're saying though, too, is
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: that those songs were already written, Like John was like,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I already have a lot of material that Paul and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I did together, so that can be debunked.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And the thing about John Lennon, he was usually
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: pretty honest about what his songs were about, and the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Beatles were kind of like the TV show Lost, where
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: people just poured over their shit looking for all these
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: secret meanings and all these hidden clues. And the song
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: that stands out to me, it's on Sergeant Pepper. It's
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: called Being for the benefit of mister Kite, and for
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: years and years and years people were like, that's a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: drug song, isn't it. It's about drugs and John Lennon
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: was like, no, those are words I saw on an
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: old circus poster and people were like, okay, whatever, And
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: then John Lennon produced that fucking circus poster and was like,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: see baby, this is where it came from.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: So famous people sound like awesome powers.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, famous British people, and like the same thing with
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Lucy and the Sky with diamonds. It was like, that's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: something one of my kids said to me, and they
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: were like, no, it's about LSD. And here's the thing.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: It could be both. But like John Lennon was pretty
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: open about what every song's meant, even when they meant nothing,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: like if you listen to I Am the Walrus, that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: song is. That song is gibberish. It is absolutely meaningless,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: And when asked about it, he was like, that song
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: is gibberish.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: What about eleanor Rigby? They said that that song is
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: about Paul's funeral, like the preacher says a sermon that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: no one will hear.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: Eleanor Rigby is on the Revolver album. When did that
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: that came out before Sergeant Pepper?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I think that came out before or after he died,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: at least I think it. What year did the Revolver
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: album come out? Nineteen sixty six?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Uh huh what month? Oh no, see that would have
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: come up.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Why can't they just make this documentary, call it a
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: documentary and then just put it out there into the world.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: By the way, before I watched this thing, I and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: a very smart person I know told me to watch
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: this because I told him I believe Paul McCartney died
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: in sixty six, because oh have you ever seen that documentary?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I did my I did
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: my own research, Todd. I just became my own research crowd.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, eleanor Rigby was on the Revolver album that came
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: out before Sergeant Pepper. Yeah, so any references to anything
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: on I think even Strawberry Sields I think even came
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: out before Paul McCartney is alleged to have died. And
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: that's another song where people are like Strawberry Field it's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: a cemetery, and it's like, yeah, but that doesn't matter.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Oh No, I came out in nineteen sixty seven. What
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: did Strawberry Fields?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, but I think I think that's your genesis for
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: this rumor. I do honestly think it is that the
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Beatles changed their sound in their looks so dramatically, and
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: as far as their sound, it wasn't that dramatic. People
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: just weren't ready for those fucking suits that they put
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: on on the Sergeant Pepper album. But their sound was
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: already getting pretty experimental. They just got fucking weird on
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: the Sergeant Pepper album, which I honestly I think is
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: not one of their better albums, but I know people love.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: It, like the album hold On, I know I like it.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: But like that's the other thing, Like if Paul McCartney
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: was replaced with an impostor, they didn't just find someone
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: as good as Paul McCartney, they found someone better. Because
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney, at least in my opinion, does all of
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: his best work after Sergeant Pepper. And I know there
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: are people who'd be like, see he was replaced. No,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: he's just maturing as a songwriter.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I mean he still could have been replaced.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: No, he couldn't.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: No, he was just a better musician.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: He could not like it would not have fucking worked.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: People would not have fallen for that shit like there's
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: no and also you're you're you're crossing your wires like
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: half the time. It's well, they didn't need him to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: be that good because John Lennon had all these songs written. Well,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: then did this guy write what.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: If it was both? What if it was both?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Then then what happened to all those songs John Lennon
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: had written?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: But what if they were like part of them? What
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: if he was like, I have these songs and Billy
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Sheer's like, I have some ideas.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: The Beatles only made like four more albums after this.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: And then they broke up because of the guilt.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: They broke up because they hated each other.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Oh that makes me so sad. I'd rather the guilt.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, it's not see that again, that's
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: the that's the exact same thing. That's you in your
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: heart wanting it to be something other than what it
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: really is, which something why sometimes people just don't get
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: along anymore?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Like well, yeah, because well you know the Yoko factor.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: See how they blamed Yoko, but they already had a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: bunch of problems. But it was easier, just too And
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: that's what the Yogo factor is is like.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a thing fans kind of project
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: on the Beatles too, And I think it's the same
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: thing where they want to be like, oh, why would
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: why would our four lads from Liverpool break up? And
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, because they had that evil outside influence
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: that was the OCA, or oh it's because they didn't
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: get along with imposter Paul, but real Paul was cool.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, they just they broke up and it's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: probably for the best. Like the alternative is the Rolling Stones.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: Like I say this all the time, the Rolling Stones
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: and the Beatles have approximately the same number of like
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: actual hits. It's just that the Beatles did it in
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: ten albums and the Rolling Stones have like forty.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: They have forty albums.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, they've been making music this whole time, Like
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't know that they've cranked out a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: bunch in the two thousand and tens or twenty twenties,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: but they got a shit ton of albums. I think
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: they have like Phil thirty some.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think that guy did as much rugs as
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: he says he did.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Who Mick Jagger or Keith Richard's all of them, they're
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: still alive. Maybe it's the drugs keeping them alive.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but all the rock stars are dying
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: around sixty because it's like, well, you can't do a
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: bunch of drugs and drink your whole life and not.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I don't know. Maybe we're doing better
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: drugs these days.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: That could also be it.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: That's probably all it is.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: What if we don't end this with me saying you've
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: convinced me, but we end this with both of us
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: saying that we could both maybe possibly be right.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: Oh I know, I'm right.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: There's part of okay. And again, like I sit on
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: this like I don't like I wouldn't die on this hill,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: but there are some things that I'm like maybe.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's compelling clues in anything like if
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: you I'll use it as a comparison again, if you
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: look into the Sandy Hook thing, if you just read
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: the surface level claims about what happened at Sandy Hook,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of it does seem like compelling proof of
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: a conspiracy theory and all you got got.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't even read those.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: But if you look into each one a little bit deeper,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: like you can debunk all of it. Like there was
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: one that there's an above head photo from the day
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: the shooting happened, and there's a bunch of Christmas trees outside,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: and people were like, why did they have all the
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: memorial trees ready on the same day the shooting happened.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: They didn't. They were selling fucking Christmas trees at the school.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Like, oh god, I don't think it's the same at all.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: It's not like it's the same, it's the same thinking.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: It's exactly what you said. They know people aren't going
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: to look into it. The people who do the least
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: amount of research in this world, are they do your
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: own research crowd? They don't. They don't research. They follow
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: Twitter accounts.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: That my research on this.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: Well that's the thing, like watching a documentary like this
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: isn't enough, Like it's not.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: I watched YouTube video, I read articles. There's a quote
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: from Ringo Starr that he's like, yeah, that did happen,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: and we're sad, but we can't there's a quote somewhere,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: but it was on the New York Post or the
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: New York Yeah, like not the most like an inquire situation.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just so I did.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I did do some research. I did do a lot
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: of research. I didn't just watch a documentary. I just
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: watched the documentary yesterday because I thought it would help me,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: but it actually it did not. It made me kind
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: of think I might have been wrong this whole time.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe I won't say that you've convinced me, but you
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: have disappointed me.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: And I feel like I have secretly convinced you. But
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: you don't have to admit it. It's fine, no, no worries.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: I just I liked that part of my personality and.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: The part that thought Paul McCartney died in the sixties.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: I will be honest, it is probably your defining characteristic.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: It's the only thing people know about me.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember. I think I met you through Jeff,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure the first thing he said was, Hey,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: you should have my friend Kim on she believes Paul
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: McCartney died in the nineteen sixties. She's a really good comedian.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: She'd probably like to come try a McRib. I think
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: you were on the McRib episode.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: That was the first time we met.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Was the mcgribs.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was that was you. Someone took a
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: picture of me eating my first mccrib.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which, uh, the McRib just passed rip. They claim
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: they're never bringing it back.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: But they always bring it back, like once a year
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: They do. They say this is the last time, but
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: I don't believe it.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so that it's my only So I'm gonna
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: want I'm gonna, I'm gonna I've done all the research
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I can and every time it comes back to but
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: it's just a weird thing to make up, all right.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I have been convinced otherwise, but
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I inched the other way a few inches.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Well good, And that's like, that's not necessarily the point
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: of these episodes. I'm not trying to change people's minds,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: but you know, just trying.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: To do just try you always change their minds or do.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: Is the first time we've done one of these. You
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Are you Are the pilot program and it went very well?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: It did it did?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was great.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's all I need.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: My my I feel.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I had all this research and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: then you were like, no, and here's.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: That is my job? Well, so, Kim, thank you so
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: much for doing the episode, especially on such short notice.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: Do you have anything to plug before we get out
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: of here?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: I have a book and a podcast. I wrote a
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: book about my dating life called Confessions of a Recovering
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Party Girl and how much I used to drink, So
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: drinking and dating. And then I have a podcast called
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: crawl Space Kim, crawl k y M k R A
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: L Space.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. Do I have anything to plug? Adam
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: Toddbrown dot substack dot com. Things are heating up over there.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: That's where I write. You can give me money to write,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: although everything on there is free for right now, but
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: that's gonna change very soon. My most recent column is
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: about how I think there's a good possibility Trump and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: Carrie Lake might run as an independent ticket in twenty
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: twenty four and then storm the Capitol when they don't win.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: So go read about that. And other than that, that's
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: all I got to plug.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Kerry Lake's the broad from Arizona, that barely loss who
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: looks like she's always in a filter.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a fucking nightmare.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: She's a mess.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's it. We should get out
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: of here, Kim, say goodbye.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Goodbye everyone, Thanks for having.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: Me, Goodbye everybody. You love you.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: People. You're kind of disaster s