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ATR: Seed Oil lobbyist at USDA, Costal Ranching Settles with Park Service with @gavin_spoor · The Vance Crowe Podcast

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  Welcome to the Ag tribes Report.I'm your host. Vance Crowe, each
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  one of the many ag tribes thatcollectively make up US and
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  Canadian agriculture. This weekwe have a farm con influencer,
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  Gavin Spore, a popcorn farmerfrom Martinsburg in northeastern
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  Missouri. Gavin is the rarefirst generation farmer. His
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  popcorn that he grows on hisfarm is used at the amazing go
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  poo popcorn at Fulton, Missouri,which is a gourmet popcorn
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  place. And they as soon as theyfound out he was coming on, they
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  were like, That's my popcornguy. So Gavin, welcome to the
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  egg tribes. Report glad to behere. So what makes popcorn
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  something? How do you growpopcorn that can be served as
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  gourmet popcorn? Yep.
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  So I, I don't pop any of itmyself. I specialize only in
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  growing the kernels. But we'regrowing a mushroom kernel, which
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  pops perfectly round and has alot of surface area that can
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  hold those coatings, thatcaramel coating, or whatever
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  flavor they might put on it. Sofocus in a lot on growing high
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  quality popcorn, and people likegopo Buy a lot of it. So
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  you're a first generationfarmer. How long you've been in
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  the game and how quickly, howdid you get in here? Yeah,
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  I've been around farming myentire life. From a young age, I
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  knew I wanted to be a farmer,but at the age of 19, I got the
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  chance to cash rent six acreswhile I was a freshman at
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  college, and we've grown itsince then. Now it's full time.
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  I'm every single day doingsomething on the farm. Well,
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  we are glad to have you here. Iknow that you were big out in
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  social media, and it'll beinteresting to hear what you
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  think is some of the head thinkis some of the headlines for
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  tonight, which we're going tocover. So tonight we're going to
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  cover that the former seed oillobbyist becomes the chief of
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  staff. That's going to cause aproblem with Maha we're going to
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  talk about the ranch familiesthat accepted a settlement to
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  move off of Point Reyes, some ofthe coastal grazing area in
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  California, and we're going totalk a little bit about the
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  Tiktok ban. Gavin is prolific onTiktok, and so good to hear what
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  happened when people had thatshut off after that. Of course,
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  we're heading to the Bitcoinland price report, where we'll
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  compare land where Gavin livesto the price of Bitcoin. We'll
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  talk about his Peter Thielparadox, and, of course, his
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  worthy adversary, and we'regoing to try and do that on this
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  live show in just 30 minutes. Solet's get started. All right.
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  Well, big news, particularlytoday, was that a former seed
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  oil lobbyist has been announcedas the Chief of Staff of the
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  USDA, so Thomas Massie one ofthe favorites of the libertarian
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  and kind of right wingcommunity. Also the MaHA
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  movement put out a tweet aboutKaylee Buller being appointed to
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  the Chief of Staff of the USDA.She most recently served as the
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  president and CEO of theNational oil seed Processors
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  Association and the edible oilProducers Association. The chief
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  of staff at the USDA, which isthe position she was appointed
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  to, works closely with theSecretary to lead strategic,
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  strategic initiatives, managedaily operations, coordinate
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  policy and act as a key advisor.So this is a very important
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  person and a core belief of theMaHA movement, which is being
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  led by Robert Kennedy Jr,believes that seed oils are bad
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  and evil, and they are what iscausing inflammation and
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  allergies and all sorts ofproblems. So Gavin, what does it
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  say about the MaHA movement thatthe lead of the national oil
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  seeds and edible producers,edible oil producers is now the
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  Chief of Staff.
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  My best guess is there's goingto be lots of arguments behind
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  closed doors, maybe, you know,open doors with cement fighting.
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  Because if you're putting peoplein positions like that with
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  their prior work experience,that is going directly. Gets
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  what, what they're trying toaccomplish with that make
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  America healthy again movement.So it'll be interesting to see
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  what comes of it. Yeah,
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  you know, it's, it's afascinating thing, because the
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  world of agriculture, I think,is only just now becoming, like,
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  really aware just how big theanti seed oil movement is. And I
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  think anybody that was lookingat her background would have
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  known this is something that isgoing to pop onto a bunch of
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  people's radars, you know, seedoils, which are the, you know,
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  core staples. It's not only isit soybeans, but it's canola
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  oil, all the pulses, or a bunchof the pulses that are up north.
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  So it's, I mean, I think that,AG, maybe doesn't realize how
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  big of a part of Maha this isgoing to be and that it's going
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  to cause a bunch of problems.
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  Yep, yep, that is true. I willsay I've been doing the
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  carnivore diet and trying to cutout seed oils, and I feel great,
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  but at the same time, a lot ofmy income every year comes from
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  selling soybeans. So it's one ofthose weird things where I don't
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  know, I don't really know how Ifeel about it even, and I'm a
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  farmer that's growing up.
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  So how long have you been on thecarnivore diet, off and on here,
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  a couple months
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  harvest, and then Christmasreally screwed it up. Because,
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  man, there's a lot of good foodthat's not meat that you eat
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  around Christmas time, but quitea while off and on, and lost
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  about 15 pounds on it, and itfelt really good. So yeah,
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  to me, so I've been doing theketo diet, which is a ton of
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  oils, but they typically try andpush you towards being away from
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  seed oils. And I have that kindof like suspicion that seed oils
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  are one of those things that ifI were to pass you a glass of
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  water and keep looking down atit and kind of smiling and then
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  looking up at you and thensmiling, you know, you're not
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  going to drink that water,because you're afraid something
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  is hidden in there. Andsometimes I wonder if seed oils
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  are a little like that, likewhen you start watching seed
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  oils, it means that you'rewatching a whole bunch of your
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  calorie intake. But because, youknow, there's like this
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  implication that there might besomething bad in there that
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  that's what's going on. But atthe same time, in my Keto diet,
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  I don't eat a lot of seed oils,and I do feel better, but
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  there's a lot of things going onthere.
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  Yeah, I'm going to say it'smostly the elimination of
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  everything else, all thepreservatives and the weird
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  words that you can't pronounce,getting rid of almost all of
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  that and just cutting out somany calories because you're
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  only eating meat, that forcedelimination is probably where
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  most of the benefits comingfrom. I'm not going to point my
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  finger at seed oil, but I willsay I'm not eating a lot of
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  them, and I feel fine. What
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  I think probably shocked theworld the most was that the
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  National there was a nationaloil seed and edible oil
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  producers coalition, right?There's one of these for for
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  everybody. They everybody needsto have their interests lobbied
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  for before Congress and and, butI imagine most people are like,
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  only finding out that there wasa head lobbyist for this at all.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah. Personally, I didn't knowthat she held that position. You
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  know, I had something I neverheard of, and I farmed. So,
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  yeah, so it'll be interesting tosee how that plays out. I think
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  that this is not the end ofthat. To see Thomas Massie out
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  there, uh, tweeting about it'sgoing to bring a lot of
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  attention to it. All right.Headline number two, this is one
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  that I have seen popping up forthe last couple of weeks some of
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  the more freedom minded cattleranching people in my x feed are
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  talking about how ranch familieshave finally accepted a
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  settlement to move off of PointReyes. So point race is in the
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  West Coast, in California, andit is a place where cattle
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  ranching and a state park, or,I'm sorry, a federal park, a
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  national park have been so. Adeal was announced on January 8
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  where 12 ranching familiesagreed to end their operations
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  within 15 months. This was partof a settlement resolving a long
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  standing dispute betweenenvironmental groups, ranchers
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  and the National Park Service,the natural The Nature
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  Conservancy played a key role inmediating this agreement
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  offering compensation toranchers for their buyout. A
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  total amount of the buyout wasaround $30 million and this was
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  aimed at resolving litigationover what was considered to be
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  the environmental impacts onpark lands. So ranching in port
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  in Point Reyes began in the mid19th century with dairy and beef
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  cattle operations, and it becamea big part of the cultural and
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  economic landscape. Then in 1962the National Seashore was
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  established, and eventuallyPresident Kennedy included it
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  with it, made it a nationalpark. But part of that was that
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  it was they were allowed tocontinue their ranching
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  operations, to graze them there.So it ended up continuing on and
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  becoming a really big deal.There were a bunch of Nature
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  Conservancy groups in here. Iwas going to play a video. I
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  wasn't able to pull it up, soactually, I just wanted to bring
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  this to you. Did you hear aboutthis, Gavin? Was this a story
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  that made that hit your. Xradar. It
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  didn't hit my x radarpersonally, but I will say I
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  think there's going to beunintended consequences that
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  come from taking all of thoselivestock off of the land. Same
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  as you know, forest fires aremore prevalent because you might
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  not be grazing underneath theforest floor. So then it might
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  take a decade or two, butsomething's gonna spark. And
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  sorry,
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  that was the video I was whydon't we play it? It'll be worth
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  it. Yes, we're leaving Point
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  Reyes, California, the partyline has been that this is a
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  voluntary agreement between theranching families and the
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  environmental groups that suedthem and the National Park
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  Service has absolutely nothingto do with it. I've been
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  skeptical of that, and I think Ihave proof. 20 years ago, a guy
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  named Tim setnica was thesuperintendent for Channel
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  Islands National Park, also inCalifornia, watched the National
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  Park Service persecute ranchingfamilies on the islands when
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  they decided they wanted theland. And while he was complicit
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  at the time, it seems, he wentthrough a big change of heart,
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  eventually turned whistleblower,going row, telling anyone who
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  would listen, quote, The ParkService has no soul. Essentially
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  said that the Park Service has aplaybook where they work
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  secretly with environmentalgroups to get American citizens,
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  including ranchers, off of landwanted by the government. The
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  environmental groups would suethe ranchers until they couldn't
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  fight anymore, and then the ParkService would swoop in. Back in
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  2014 Tim setnica held a meetingin Marin County where he warned
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  the ranchers On Point Reyesseashore, the government is
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  coming for you. Reporter for ThePoint Reyes light there at the
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  time, wrote Mr. Seneca framedthe Park Service as a
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  clandestine government agencythat ignores data and is hostile
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  to ranching. Much of theinteragency work was more or
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  less orchestrated to help bringabout the end of ranching.
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  Remember, these ranchers allhave a gag order. So to
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  reiterate, 13 years before theseranchers voluntarily left Point
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  Reyes in a totally autonomousdecision with these
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  environmental groups. The formerparks employee warned them that
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  the government was coming afterthem and that the outcome would
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  look a whole lot like whathappened last week.
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  So that was a documentaryfilmmaker named Keely Brazil
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  Covello, and she has the Xhandle America un one. How did
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  that video strike you? Gavin,sounds
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  like maybe they didn't want tomove off, but they were paid
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  handsomely to do so,
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  yeah, I think that there's a newstyle going on. It became
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  particularly popular on Tiktokand x with somebody like Keely
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  here. There's also that IanCarroll where they're talking
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  about a story, they make itreally engaging, and the end of
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  the story is always, dot, dot,dot.
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  Yes, yeah, there's that hook,
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  yeah, but there's, like, theweirdness that you know, like
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  when you start thinking about,can Nature Conservancy, some of
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  these other environmental groupsbeing involved with the Park
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  Service. How does that strikeyou? There's a lot of places
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  that environmental groups wouldlike to move grazing off of. We
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  don't do a ton of that inMissouri, but it's still
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  something that you got to watchout for. What do you think about
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  the environmental groups beinginvolved with agriculture? It's
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  hard to fight against them whentheir pockets are that deep,
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  especially individual farms, orjust farms in that little niche
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  in that one area. I mean, youcan't compete with that. They're
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  just going to throw money at ittill they get whatever, whatever
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  problem solved they want solved,or whatever problem they think
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  exists. I think it's dangerous,but I also don't really know how
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  to fight against it.
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  Yeah, I know that people likeKalman, Joe, some of the other
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  ex people I know, particularlythe ranchers. They really
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  strongly dislike theenvironmental groups being
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  involved with a lot of thecheckoff groups, you know,
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  citing that they have such bigpockets, and they're also just
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  so well connected that they theymake things change when the when
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  maybe the people in the checkoffgroup or the larger industry
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  organization are open to thatchange when the ranchers aren't.
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  So it's interesting. I thinkthat was a big movement that was
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  going on for quite a few years.We'll see if it continues. All
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  right, the final headline I wantto go through, this probably
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  impacted farmers on a greaterlevel than most people could
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  have imagined, because a ton ofAG is on Tiktok that was shut
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  down for a few hours this weekbefore the Trump inauguration.
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  This led many, many people whohad strong audiences. It's the
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  way they find out about theirnews. In agriculture getting
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  completely shut off from it.Gavin, you went through the I
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  don't want to call this the darktime. How did it go? How big of
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  a deal was it? Well,
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  I didn't have any terriblewithdrawals, but they didn't
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  give us much time to miss it. Itwas down probably 12 to 18
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  hours. So I don't know what theydid while it was down, but they
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  definitely messed with thealgorithm. But yeah, there's
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  people I'm only friends withthrough Tiktok. I'm not friends
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  with them on other platforms. Sohad it had the ban, or whatever
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  lasted longer, I would havenoticed pretty quickly that a
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  couple core people I talked to,I guess what I had to start
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  calling them on the
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  phone. Well, 12 hours is enoughto start changing your habits.
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  Did you start spending a littlemore time on x? Or what did you
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  find yourself doing?
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  Yeah, I was still scrolling. I.Definitely check X and Instagram
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  and Facebook, just because I hadnowhere else to click. So I was
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  going to click on one of those,because I do spend quite a bit
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  of time on tick tock. So yeah, Iguess I noticed it a little bit,
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  but if not near like I wouldhave had it been a week or more.
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  What does
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  your tribe think? Is thissomething that's going to keep
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  happening? Is, is, is tick tock,like building barns on rented
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  land, and it's going to go away.Or do you think it's here to
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  stay? It's
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  always changing and evolving. Iwill say, if they find a reason
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  to get rid of it, and it's goneforever, everyone's going to
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  pick up and go somewhere else.If you know they're going to
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  post somewhere, we're going tofind a group somewhere. It's
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  just gonna move. And I don'tknow what app it would move to.
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  I know there was already ticktock copycats. Everybody was the
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  lemonade or red, whatever theywere called. I didn't make one
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  on one of those pages, but Iknow lots of people were already
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  fleeing and heading thatdirection. So
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  yeah, and there was also thepeople going over to the Chinese
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  version of Tiktok. Did you findyourself going over there?
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  No, I didn't. But I mean, theywere going in drove, so I don't
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  if their goal was to stop theChinese influence on us. They
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  didn't really accomplishanything. They probably made it
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  worse by people going to thoseapps.
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  So for somebody like me, thatI've, you know, dabbled in in
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  Tiktok. But what's the allure?Why is that doing so well, do
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  you think among people in yourtribe?
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  It's quick. I mean, it catchesyou. You swipe your finger, and
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  there's, there's video playingright in your face, and it's
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  tailored directly to what you'reinterested in. It's always
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  changing. So it's like,honestly, it's probably akin to,
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  like a drug addict. They giveyou exactly what they want in
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  huge doses, like, you don't everreally get sick of it, because
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  as soon as you log out, youthink about logging, you know,
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  getting right back on. It's waymore fast paced than a scroll on
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  Facebook or x is.
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  And then you put content onthere. What do you do to keep,
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  you know, people's attention?What are you talking about that
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  your audience cares about?
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  I cater to a very small niche,and my goal is to, like, talk to
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  young farmers and showcase howI'm growing an operation. So I'm
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  not trying to talk to a largeaudience, but a very, very
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  specific one. So I'm just makecontent for them, and if other
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  people join in and find itinteresting, and so be it. But
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  most of the time, I'm trying tojust talk to one small group,
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  and sometimes it goes viral andhits different veins of people,
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  but most of the time it stayswithin AG,
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  yeah, there's something reallymagnificent when a video goes
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  viral on Tiktok and you can,like, feel it. It's just, it's
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  unbelievable. And I think,however their algorithm works,
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  it makes you feel more acutelythan some of the other social
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  media channels, which is why Ithink it's so popular. Oh,
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  and you watch it take off inreal time. I mean, a lot of
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  videos will get five to 20,000views, but like, one of the last
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  ones I posted before the band,like, hit almost a million. And
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  you just watch it rock it offand like, your phone starts
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  blowing up. You're getting thelikes, the comments, the shares,
• 17:56
  it just goes nuts, and then justas quickly as it rocket it up,
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  engagement falls and they're onto something else. So it's a
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  it's like a very fast burningrocket.
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  All right, well, that's going todo it for our headlines tonight.
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  If you have any headlines youthink you we should be covering,
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  you can always send it tovance@legacyinterviews.com or
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  you can find me on x at Vance.Crowe, the Point Reyes story was
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  actually sent to me and theThomas Massey story. So it makes
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  a big difference on what wecover here on the show up next
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  is the Bitcoin land pricereport. So Gavin, let's, let's
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  jump in right here. Where do youlive and how much does a an acre
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  of good farmland cost in yourcounty?
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  I'm in northeast Missouri,Audrey County, I would say eight
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  to 10,000 for the good groundwith a 9000 average right now,
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  all right, so we'll use 9000 solast week, Bitcoin was right at
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  $100,000 per coin. This week,we're sitting at 103,000 you
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  know, it's a 3% gain, but thatcould be lost in the blink of an
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  eye. So it's right around thesame price it was. And so if we
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  were factoring $9,000 per acre,that means you could buy one
• 19:10
  acre where Gavin lives for point087, Bitcoin, or in other words,
• 19:15
  one bitcoin would buy you almost11 and a half acres of farmland
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  there. How does that sit withyou? Gavin, Did you buy any land
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  with Bitcoin? I've never bought
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  land with Bitcoin. I wish Iwould have bought a lot more
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  Bitcoin back in the day. Thatwould make that land sound
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  cheap.
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  Is it something you've stayedwith? Have you have you kept it
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  in wallets or taken it offexchanges? I've got
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  a little bit. I mostly dabbledin it. Background, COVID. I've
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  pretty well got out of thecrypto. It just goes up and
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  down, way too much for me. Iwould waste too much time
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  watching it. I need to just buyit and hold it, forget I own it.
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  I think so. You know, I thinkone of the things I wanted to
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  throw this up here, because it'sapropos right now, because with
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  the talk about tariffs going onwith Canada and the premiere of
• 19:59
  Al. Berta was one of thosepeople that came down, flew down
• 20:03
  and said, I'm gonna meet withTrump, if my leaders, if there
• 20:05
  is no leader, I'm gonna go aheadand take that front and center.
• 20:08
  So I've talked about thisseveral times with regard to
• 20:11
  Bitcoin, is that there is allthis oil wells that are either
• 20:15
  stranded that, you know, they'rejust too far away from a
• 20:18
  pipeline, or they have a bunchof natural gas that they have to
• 20:20
  get off of them. This righthere. This picture right here is
• 20:23
  a is what's called a hash cut,and it's produced by a guy named
• 20:26
  Steve barber up in Canada. Andwhat this is is you just park
• 20:30
  this thing right next to one ofthose oil wells where you have
• 20:34
  to where it's flaring offnatural gas. And instead, you
• 20:37
  hook that up, you put it in, youturn it into a generator that
• 20:39
  burns on natural gas, and thenyou hook Bitcoin miners to it.
• 20:43
  And I think this is going togrow. We're going to put data
• 20:46
  centers on there for AI. We'regoing to be doing more Bitcoin
• 20:48
  mining. And I think WesternCanada is going to be able to
• 20:53
  pick up Bitcoin and use that asa way to export energy when they
• 20:57
  don't have pipelines. Have youheard this idea, Gavin, is this
• 21:01
  something that you're aware of?I'm
• 21:03
  new to that idea. Specifically,I'm a little bit familiar with
• 21:06
  how they mine it. The more thatgets mined, the longer it takes
• 21:10
  to mine more. Is that correct?It takes longer to mine a
• 21:13
  Bitcoin now than it used to
• 21:15
  this the time is the same. It'sjust there's way, way more
• 21:18
  competition. So you have to addmore and more and more computers
• 21:21
  if you want to be somebody thathas a chance at winning those
• 21:24
  but the time is always going tobe around 10 minutes. That's the
• 21:28
  goal. Gotcha. Gotcha. All right.Well, the Bitcoin land price
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  river.com moving on. Now we havethe Peter Thiel paradox. This is
• 22:07
  where I asked Gavin, what is onething that you believe that
• 22:11
  almost no one in your tribeagrees with you on?
• 22:15
  Okay, so this is coming fromlike a first gen farmer's
• 22:17
  perspective, but I think thedeath of family farms is
• 22:22
  splitting that farm up equallyamong siblings. Just to be fair
• 22:27
  to all the siblings, everyonegets an equal cut. I think that
• 22:30
  is the death of the family farm.And if they would choose one or
• 22:33
  two children that want tocontinue the farm, smaller farms
• 22:37
  would have a much better chanceof surviving if that farm
• 22:40
  doesn't have to get re boughtevery generation.
• 22:43
  And when you think about that,what do you think the other kids
• 22:46
  that didn't didn't stay on thefarm? What should they get for
• 22:49
  their inheritance?
• 22:51
  I think that's up to the parentsto make smart investments, if
• 22:55
  they can, and maybe leave them alife insurance policy or, you
• 22:58
  know, whatever stocks they mayhave, but splitting that farm up
• 23:01
  to call it equal at the end ofsomeone's life, just that farm
• 23:04
  ends up going to the auctionblock.
• 23:06
  Do you think a lot of peopledisagree with on you on this
• 23:09
  idea?
• 23:10
  It depends. Probably the peoplethat disagree are the off farm
• 23:13
  siblings. I think anyone thatthat has had to buy off the
• 23:19
  family farm probably agrees withit. But there's lots of people
• 23:21
  that don't you know the fair isequal, and equals not always
• 23:24
  fair. That saying however thatgoes, I think rings true here.
• 23:27
  So yeah,
• 23:29
  I'm I think that there are quitea few people that agree with you
• 23:33
  on this idea, but I think thatyou're right. The ones that
• 23:36
  don't believe it, or the onesthat are sitting in the middle
• 23:38
  of it, they, they, they mightdisagree with you. So I'm going
• 23:40
  to give you a three one on thisone, okay, and, and, but I think
• 23:45
  it's interesting to think aboutinheritance, and what's going on
• 23:48
  there, actually, as a relationto Bitcoin. I think if a parent
• 23:52
  was also stacking Bitcoin at thesame time as they're stacking
• 23:55
  land, that would be another wayto hold property. But, man, if
• 23:59
  you tell that to people inagriculture, they flip their
• 24:02
  stack. Yeah. All right. So nowon to the final section. This is
• 24:08
  the worthy adversary, Gavin, whois one person that you respect
• 24:12
  but you strongly disagree with.
• 24:16
  On x, the Mizzou guy, the MizzouTiger. I love his agronomic
• 24:22
  practices. I think he is a greatfarmer, but we just have totally
• 24:25
  different world views when itcomes to the influencer side of
• 24:28
  things, and just, well, lots oflife in general. But I do
• 24:32
  respect him as a farmer. I thinkhe's a good farmer, but that's
• 24:35
  about where it ends.
• 24:36
  Well, Mizzou, tiger, I thinkmight be the only person that's
• 24:40
  been listed twice on this list.So that is that saying
• 24:44
  something? And I think that'sthat's very interesting. And you
• 24:49
  when you think about theagronomic practices, which are
• 24:52
  ones that you're that you findinteresting about his
• 24:55
  perspectives,
• 24:57
  just the way he farms innortheast Missouri does. And
• 25:00
  overdo it. There's not lots ofextra passes. He's very
• 25:04
  economical about the way he goesafter it, because Missouri is
• 25:06
  not always guaranteed a crop. Itreally rain in August makes the
• 25:10
  difference just the way hefarms. His mentality behind
• 25:13
  equipment. I do think he's agood farmer, but everything else
• 25:17
  kind of detracts a little fromthere. So
• 25:20
  alright, well, for a full listof people cited on the worthy
• 25:24
  adversaries, check out the liston my ex. And it's kind of a
• 25:29
  pretty great collection ofinteresting characters. And you
• 25:32
  never know who from that listyou end up hearing something you
• 25:36
  needed to hear. So Gavin, as wewrap up, talk a little bit about
• 25:41
  your outreach to farmers who whoshould follow you, who'd be
• 25:44
  interested in your stuff, andwhere can they find you?
• 25:47
  Sure, yeah, so I'm on all theplatforms. Uh, x is Gavin Spore,
• 25:50
  same as Instagram and Facebook,just my name, uh, on tick tock.
• 25:54
  I'm the popcorn farmer, and I'mposting almost daily about my
• 25:58
  journey as a young farmer,things I'm doing to grow the
• 26:00
  operation, things that areworking, things that aren't
• 26:03
  working, and do actually today,just did some outreach with the
• 26:06
  local FFA chapter, went to acareer fair, told them about
• 26:09
  farming and agriculture andentrepreneurship and being an
• 26:12
  influencer, you know, whetherthat's a good word or a bad
• 26:14
  word. So I try to do lots ofthat. But yeah, come, come tag
• 26:19
  along, and I ask lots ofquestions on X, I mainly go
• 26:22
  there for others point of view.But then the other platforms I'm
• 26:26
  I'm kind of showing more of whatI do on my own form. Yeah,
• 26:29
  man, that term influencer blewup with that farm con.
• 26:33
  Influencer list Did, did any ofthe blowback hit you or people
• 26:37
  taking shots at whether or notyou should have been on that
• 26:39
  list? I
• 26:41
  mean, I think that I qualifiedto be on the list, whether
• 26:45
  people liked the list or not,but as a whole, that was such a
• 26:48
  smart move for them to do that,because it got so much reach.
• 26:51
  But at that whole conferenceVance, that probably was less
• 26:55
  than 10 minutes of the wholeshow. I mean, if you took a long
• 26:57
  bathroom break, you did not evenknow it happened, and wouldn't
• 27:00
  have known to happen. And thatwas all that got talked about,
• 27:03
  was during that little 10 minutepiece. But that's what got
• 27:06
  talked about the most in thewhole conference, was that
• 27:08
  little segment.
• 27:09
  Yeah, I as soon as I saw theinvitation, I was like, these
• 27:13
  guys are very clever. And Idon't know if you've been in the
• 27:16
  ag, social media world longenough to know that this is at
• 27:19
  least the third time that I'veseen a list get published, and
• 27:24
  all kinds of people fly out ofnowhere and get really upset
• 27:27
  about it, and, you know, makefun of other people. But what's
• 27:30
  really funny to me is that allof social media is an attempt to
• 27:33
  influence other people with yourthoughts if you're posting
• 27:36
  there, and so all that hate thatgot thrown on influencers for
• 27:40
  being on that list. I don't knowit was a lot like, well, if you
• 27:44
  were better at it, maybe, maybeyou would have been on the list.
• 27:47
  So they're just not that good atinfluencing all right? Well,
• 27:52
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• 28:46
  week, and feel free to disagree.You