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Is Ohio State Basketball Broken? And If So, Can It Be Fixed? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Friday, March fourteenth, I'm
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Speaker 1: basketball today is a topic that has gotten people a
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Speaker 1: little fired up this week, which is a little bit
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Speaker 1: abnormal for Ohio State fans and on the Ohio State
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Speaker 1: fan base, joined by Tony Gerderman if fuck Huddle dot com, Tony,
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Speaker 1: this was an Ohio State basketball season that looked like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be better season than maybe you expected,
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Speaker 1: and then everything just kind of went directly to heck
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Speaker 1: right at the end of the year.
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Speaker 2: We've seen this show before at seems, where you see
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Speaker 2: a lot of the possibilities when they're playing well and
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Speaker 2: they can beat just about anybody at any given time,
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Speaker 2: but then also lose to anybody at any given time
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Speaker 2: and that's exactly the kind of inconsistency that can undo
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Speaker 2: you at at any point in the season, and especially
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Speaker 2: down the stretch when it kind of just builds and builds,
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Speaker 2: and so this is not a very This is a
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Speaker 2: bad close out basically for the Buckeyes when they kept
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Speaker 2: needing to just if you win a couple of games,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna you're in, Like you're on the bubble right now.
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Speaker 2: Just assure yourself by get some insurance and win a
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Speaker 2: game here against teams that you should be able to
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Speaker 2: be and they just choose to do it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably about one week ago you and I were
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Speaker 1: doing a show and it was essentially okay. They won
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Speaker 1: their first two games of the sort of home stretch.
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Speaker 1: They beat Nebraska and then USC I think, and then
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Speaker 1: all they had to do was either beat Indiana or
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Speaker 1: win their first game with the Big Ten Tournament. You
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Speaker 1: know both, they would have been incomfortably. You would do one,
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Speaker 1: You're probably in. You do you know, you win two
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Speaker 1: games a Big Ten tournament, you're probably in. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's there were lots of ways they could have gotten in.
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Speaker 1: It is not selection shun day now, they're not officially out,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think they're probably going to be on
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Speaker 1: the happy side of the bubble this year. And there
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Speaker 1: has been a lot of very loud, very angry this
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Speaker 1: should never happen to Ohio State. Why is Ohio State
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Speaker 1: basketball like this? And you know, I have theories and
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Speaker 1: I have stuff that I've shared on our message board
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Speaker 1: that has gotten people very annoyed with me. But that's fine.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about some of that a little
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Speaker 1: bit later. But I think let's start the conversation with this.
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Speaker 1: What is a reasonable expectation for Ohio State? What is
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Speaker 1: sort of the baseline for Okay, this is at least
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Speaker 1: a reasonably successful season or span let's maybe even say
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Speaker 1: span of five seasons for Ohio State men's basketball.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm thinking about that, and I tweeted,
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Speaker 2: I'm tweeting about this, and every we're all tweeting about it,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I said something to the effective, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they should make the the tournament every year, and then
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Speaker 2: I went back, I'm like, should they have they? Because
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Speaker 2: Tom the NCAA Tournament has been sixty four or sixty
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Speaker 2: eight teams for forty years now. This will be the
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Speaker 2: fortieth year of it. Ohio State has made the tournament
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Speaker 2: twenty two times in those forty years, assuming that they're
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Speaker 2: not going to make it this year, so about half
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Speaker 2: the time they make the tournament. That mod have made
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Speaker 2: it nine years, nine times in his thirteen years, and
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Speaker 2: Chris Holtman made it four in his six years, and
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Speaker 2: I think, well one of those years was the COVID year,
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Speaker 2: so that wasn't an option. But like those two guys
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Speaker 2: have kind of ruined the curve here because even you know,
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Speaker 2: O'Brien Randiers, Gary Williams, Eldon Miller, like they made it
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Speaker 2: a little under half the time all told. So like basically,
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Speaker 2: what isn't an acceptable season at Ohio State? This one?
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Speaker 2: Like based on average, it's this one, and which is
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Speaker 2: you know where it's not great. I think obviously you'd
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Speaker 2: rather have Sweet sixteen no no postseason next year, Sweet
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Speaker 2: sixteen no postseason the next year. That's how you'd rather
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Speaker 2: do your like fifty percent it's but this is basically
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Speaker 2: this is not an unusual season for Ohio State, as
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Speaker 2: all of the Ohio State fans listening, No, what we're
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Speaker 2: unusual seasons was what bad Moda was doing. And we
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Speaker 2: can get into why that was happening if you want,
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Speaker 2: because I think when we talk about that, there there's
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Speaker 2: some data there that was happening for thad Mada that
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Speaker 2: has not happened for anybody else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thad Mada era is the thing that
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Speaker 1: everyone sort of points to and go, well, why can't
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Speaker 1: they just do that all the time. It's like, well,
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Speaker 1: because that's not the historical norm. That's not You look
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Speaker 1: at the Ohio State list of tournament appearances and it
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Speaker 1: looks like the solar cycles where you know, the sun
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Speaker 1: is like high solar levels where you have a bunch
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Speaker 1: of solar storms and stuff, and then low so you know,
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Speaker 1: low levels of filer activity, or you know the La
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Speaker 1: Nina and El Nino ocean cycles like whatever. There's like
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Speaker 1: these nat cycles in the universe. That's what Lake Ohio
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Speaker 1: State basketball is where it's like, yeah, they they made
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Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament, and they made they made the Sweet
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Speaker 1: sixteen in nineteen ninety one and nineteen ninety two, and
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Speaker 1: then they went into a lull for seven years, and
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Speaker 1: then they made it once, and then they went into
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Speaker 1: a lull for eight years, and then they made it
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Speaker 1: five times in seven years, and now they've been in
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Speaker 1: an eight year lull and you know, at some point
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Speaker 1: are they going to come back? Yeah? Probably, but you know,
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Speaker 1: looking at sweet sixteens in two thousand and seven, twenty ten,
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Speaker 1: twenty eleven, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, and nothing since and
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Speaker 1: only one in the fifteen years. But you know before that, like,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the outlier. That is not that that is
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Speaker 1: the exception, That is not the rule. And you know,
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Speaker 1: you've you've posted about this a bunch on our board before.
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Speaker 1: But there's lots of reasons why the thad Mada era is.
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Speaker 1: You know, why don't they just do this all the time? Like, well,
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Speaker 1: there are actual answers to that question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I tweeted about this as well. Where
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Speaker 2: so that might have got to Ohio State two two
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Speaker 2: thousand and five, that was his first year. In the
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Speaker 2: two thousand and six three two thousand and eight recruiting cycles, nationally,
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Speaker 2: there were eleven top fifty kids in Ohio and that
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Speaker 2: three year span, six of them signed with Ohio State.
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Speaker 2: So that three year span, there were eleven top fifty
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Speaker 2: kids from two thousand and nine to twenty seventeen. The
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Speaker 2: rest of that minus recruiting, there were seven top fifty
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Speaker 2: kids in Ohio, only two of whom signed with Ohio State.
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Speaker 2: You started getting into some of the like you know,
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Speaker 2: prep school, basketball school type of things where the basketball academies,
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Speaker 2: if you will, start to like they they're that guy's
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Speaker 2: an Ohio kid, but not really. But then you also
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Speaker 2: have AAU which basically eliminates in state recruiting with you've
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Speaker 2: never had Ohio State has never been great, they've never
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Speaker 2: been at their peak or they've never been really really
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Speaker 2: good without impactful Ohio players. And they've got some this year,
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Speaker 2: but they don't have enough around it. But you can
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Speaker 2: go back all time where go back to Fred Taylor
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Speaker 2: when he's got Jerry Lucas and and Halchek and you know,
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Speaker 2: Bobby Knight, like these are all Ohio kids. You go
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Speaker 2: back to Gary Williams where he's got Jay Burson, go
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Speaker 2: back to Brandy Ares where he's got Jim Jackson and
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Speaker 2: Perry Carter and Trag Lee and Mark Baker, always Ohio guys,
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Speaker 2: even Jim O'Brien with Michael Red And then you get
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Speaker 2: into the the Fortune of Thad Matta where it's you
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Speaker 2: have the Ohio guys we can get into some of these,
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Speaker 2: but then also two two kids from Indianapolis and Greg
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Speaker 2: Oden and Mike Conley, and then Ohio State has also
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Speaker 2: done really well in Illinois. So it's like these these
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Speaker 2: border ish type states. But mainly if you don't have
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Speaker 2: anything in Ohio, if the Ohio talent is down, Ohio
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Speaker 2: State's talent has been down, is going to be down.
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Speaker 2: And that's just the way it's always been. It will
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Speaker 2: always be so then you've got to do something about it.
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Speaker 2: And Tom, let me let me just read you. The
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Speaker 2: Ohio State's last great team was the the tw ten
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Speaker 2: twenty eleven team where Jared Solinger was a freshman and
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Speaker 2: Aaron Craft was a freshman and they were like thirty
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Speaker 2: one and three and they lost in the sweet sixteen
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Speaker 2: on a buzzer beater to Kentucky. But Jared Solinger Ohio,
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Speaker 2: William You from Toledo, John Diebler from Upper Sandusky, David
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Speaker 2: Lighty from Cleveland, Deshaun Thomas from way out West and
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Speaker 2: Fort Wayne, Aaron Kraft from Finley, Dallas Lauderdale from Solon,
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Speaker 2: Jordan Cybert from Cincinnati. They this was all essentially Ohio
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Speaker 2: and once you got once you get away from that,
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Speaker 2: and not just get away from it, but once the
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Speaker 2: talent gets away from Ohio and there's no fence because
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Speaker 2: there's no loyalty, it's all aau. There is no old
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Speaker 2: State U like college football and college basketball are completely different,
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Speaker 2: though college football is starting to, you know, look a
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Speaker 2: little bit more like it. If you don't have Ohio recruiting,
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Speaker 2: then you're not going to have a great system, a
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Speaker 2: great program at Ohio State. Now that's just history. Now
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Speaker 2: things are changing, so Ohio State could change with it.
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Speaker 2: But even then, Tom goes back to your question, like, well,
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Speaker 2: what is acceptable? Well, forever this has been acceptable because
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Speaker 2: this is what people have become used to, and the
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Speaker 2: fact that it keeps happening means that it's acceptable.
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Speaker 1: Right, this is this is maybe not the standard that
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Speaker 1: everyone would like it to be, but this is kind
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Speaker 1: of the standard where this you know, a year like this,
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Speaker 1: even two years like this, doesn't usually get you fired.
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Speaker 1: So you're gonna have, you may have. We'll see what
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Speaker 1: next year looks like. And with the portal, you can
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Speaker 1: obviously change things quite a bit. But I've seen lots
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Speaker 1: of comments about well, you know, I don't understand why
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Speaker 1: Ohio State doesn't also pay a like really elite coach,
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Speaker 1: and you know, just have to I went through. This
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Speaker 1: is a couple of weeks ago now, but I went
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Speaker 1: through and like looked at, okay, the top ten coaches
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Speaker 1: in terms of football salaries, and how many of those coaches,
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Speaker 1: how many of those schools also have a top ten
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Speaker 1: coach in terms of basketball salary? And I think the
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Speaker 1: only one that was even close to it was Alabama.
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Speaker 1: And they're not paying Kalin the boor nearly what they got,
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Speaker 1: you know, what they were paying Nick Saban, And I
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Speaker 1: will point you to the fact that Alabama was in
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Speaker 1: the RelA Quest Ball this year and not in the
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Speaker 1: college football playoffs. So you know, I think the real
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Speaker 1: question here is you're mad now, and that's fine. You're
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Speaker 1: allowed to be mad now, that's fine. A month and
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Speaker 1: a half from now, are you still gonna be mad
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Speaker 1: or are you gonna be thinking about football? Because as
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Speaker 1: someone who has been in the Ohio State content business
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Speaker 1: for years and years and years, allow me to assure
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Speaker 1: you you're mad now. Six weeks from now, you won't
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Speaker 1: be able to name five players on the Ohio State
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Speaker 1: basketball team because you're gonna be thinking about who the
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Speaker 1: third string so strong safety is like that's I don't
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Speaker 1: know what to tell you, Like this is how it is.
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Speaker 1: There a small, small subset of the Ohio State fan
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Speaker 1: base that cares more about basketball than football, and that's great.
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Speaker 1: And those people, you know, there are people who care
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Speaker 1: more about about hockey or more about baseball or what like. Cool. Great,
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Speaker 1: it is a small subset of the Ohio State fan base.
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Speaker 1: And if you know, I think everyone needs to understand
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Speaker 1: the modern realities of college athletics, which is there is
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Speaker 1: a there's only so much money. Ohio State ran a
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Speaker 1: deficit last year in their athletic department. There's only so
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Speaker 1: much money under the house settlement, which is still kind
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Speaker 1: of getting sorted out a little bit but is coming.
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be money going to players now there's less
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Speaker 1: money going out. How much money are you willing to
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Speaker 1: divert from the football program? You as an Ohio State fan,
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Speaker 1: if you were in charge, how much money are you
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Speaker 1: going to divert from the football program to pay for
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Speaker 1: the basketball program? You want really want a small forward
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Speaker 1: on the basketball team. You want to center on the
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Speaker 1: basketball team next year? Okay, where on the football team.
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Speaker 1: Are you taking less money? Are you going to take
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Speaker 1: a player away from the football team to put that
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Speaker 1: center on the basketball team? And next November or January
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Speaker 1: are you going to think, thank goodness, there's a center
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Speaker 1: on the basketball team who I like, and you know, hey,
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Speaker 1: they don't have you know, sure the right tackle spot. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that'll probably cost us in the college football playoff. But listen,
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Speaker 1: we have a center on the basketball team. Allow me
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Speaker 1: to assure you. I see the numbers on how much
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Speaker 1: people read watch about Ohio State basketball compared to o
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Speaker 1: Higo State football. You don't care as much. You are
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Speaker 1: mad now, you don't care as much. Like maybe you
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Speaker 1: will in a month, maybe, but probably not. Go on
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Speaker 1: our board in six weeks and look at how many
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Speaker 1: football threads there are during the football off season. Ask
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Speaker 1: comparter to how many basketball threads there are during the
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Speaker 1: basketball off season. There's only so much money. Does that
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Speaker 1: mean it's impossible to win? No? But again, if you
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Speaker 1: look at we put together. I had someone on our
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Speaker 1: board ask about you know, well, why can't they just
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Speaker 1: do why can't they just do what everyone else does? Like,
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Speaker 1: it's crazy that there's not you know that they're not
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Speaker 1: any better at basketball in an athletic department that's this big.
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Speaker 1: And I went through and looked at the other ten
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Speaker 1: top biggest athletic departments by budget, which is sort of
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Speaker 1: a decent proxy for, like, you know, this is what
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Speaker 1: a big athletic department is. Tell me what these ten
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Speaker 1: schools all have in common. Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, LSU,
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Speaker 1: Texas A and M Florida, Penn State, Oklahoma. I would
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Speaker 1: submit that the answer is all of them. They're better
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Speaker 1: at football than they are at basketball broadly. And of
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Speaker 1: those ten schools, going back to twenty fifteen, there were
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Speaker 1: a total of five conference titles for those two in
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Speaker 1: basketball for those ten programs, forty three NCAA tournament appearances,
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Speaker 1: fifteen Sweet sixteens, six elitates three final fours for ten
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Speaker 1: schools over ten seasons. So you're averaging zero point three
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Speaker 1: final fours for those ten programs. Ohio State has not
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Speaker 1: made a Sweet sixteen in those ten years. That's absolutely true.
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Speaker 1: Several others have only made zero or one Sweet sixteen.
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Speaker 1: This is kind of what it is when you were
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Speaker 1: a big football program.
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Speaker 2: Well, I had somebody of us on the border the
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Speaker 2: Twitter say that, well, I would like to at least
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Speaker 2: be what Iowa is on basketball, and it's like Iowa
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Speaker 2: has made the tournament one more time than Ohio State
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Speaker 2: and like since Chris Holtman came to town. So you
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Speaker 2: are like this is but I'm again, I do think
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Speaker 2: Ohio State should be better in basketball. There's I'd say
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Speaker 2: there's no reason they shouldn't be, but for whatever reason,
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Speaker 2: they continue to just this is what they are and
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Speaker 2: it's because it's allowed and it is it's acceptable. There's
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Speaker 2: nobody to make it like I'm not standing for this.
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Speaker 2: There's no money guy that is like this is my program.
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Speaker 2: This is not going to happen under my watch. There's
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Speaker 2: no Uncle Phil here for Ohio State basketball. And it's
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Speaker 2: more of a like, uh, just I'll do what I
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Speaker 2: can type of thing. And the other thing is tom
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Speaker 2: it is something I said I think I said on
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Speaker 2: the message boarder on Twitter, like make the right purchases
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Speaker 2: because you didn't like this was not like I understand
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Speaker 2: the timing was pretty bad for all of this, like
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Speaker 2: ross Byorke making the higher in between jobs and like
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Speaker 2: you've got to get it done type of thing. Bring
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Speaker 2: putting together a roster, the the Bradshaw and the Stewart thing.
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Speaker 2: Like those those programs that lost them were just fine
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Speaker 2: losing them, Like they you paid a bunch for them,
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Speaker 2: paid for Michie Johnson and that you know he left.
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Speaker 2: He left because the freshman was beating out, beating him out,
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Speaker 2: and rightfully so. But like you got to make better
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Speaker 2: decisions with the money that you have, like they they
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Speaker 2: were willing to do some spending, but you got to
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Speaker 2: make You got to be smarter with the money and
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Speaker 2: and if you are, then you can do some things.
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Speaker 2: Because we always talk about just the transient nature of
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Speaker 2: college sports, college basketball especially like you can be a
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Speaker 2: new team the next year and make a run, but
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you're going to do it the year
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Speaker 2: after that. I think you feel bad for Bruce Thornton
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Speaker 2: because to be able to keep a guy for three
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Speaker 2: years and we'll see if they can keep him for
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Speaker 2: four a starting point guard for three or four years,
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Speaker 2: and this is what you've done with it? Is it
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Speaker 2: complete waste?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had a really really good career and he's
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Speaker 1: going to go down as like this great underappreciated player
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Speaker 1: because a lot of times the supporting cast around him
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Speaker 1: was just not good enough. And you know, think about
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Speaker 1: how much the supporting cast around him has changed over
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Speaker 1: the years. I was trying to think back, like two
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Speaker 1: years back, naming how many Ohio State basketball players can
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Speaker 1: I name, because boy, there are a lot of names
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Speaker 1: that have come and gone over those couple of years.
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Speaker 1: Bruce Dhorton has, He's probably going to play his career
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Speaker 1: with something like thirty different players, maybe more than that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy how fast the roster's turning over there.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I think your point there in terms
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Speaker 1: of you're not necessarily that far off in terms of
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Speaker 1: you missed the tournament this year by probably one to
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Speaker 1: two wins. You missed the tournament last year by probably
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Speaker 1: like two wins. If they had beaten Illinois in the
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Speaker 1: tournament last year, they might have been a little bit
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Speaker 1: more on the bubble and then they went in a
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Speaker 1: nice round in the NI It's not like it's that
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Speaker 1: far away. It's not like this is a hopeless you know,
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Speaker 1: this is this is not Chicago State or DePaul or
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Speaker 1: you know, one of those teams that's just kind of
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Speaker 1: perpetually hopeless as a team that's kind of around NCAA
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Speaker 1: tournament and they've just been a little bit short the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. And you know, I think you
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Speaker 1: have to This all kind of goes back to me, Tony,
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Speaker 1: to sort of understanding the two questions that we've talked about,
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Speaker 1: what's a reasonable expectation and what are you willing to
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Speaker 1: give up? Because unless you have you know, like Bill
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Speaker 1: Davis in the baseball program, Bill Davis was a longtime
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Speaker 1: donor in the baseball program. If a ton of money.
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Speaker 1: The baseball stadium's named after him. He was a baseball guy.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that you have a mega don't who's
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Speaker 1: like I only care about basketball, And you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: only I'm not going to give money to football. I'm
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Speaker 1: just going to give it to basketball. And you know,
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Speaker 1: it's either I'm going to give it to basketball or
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give it to anything, because otherwise
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Speaker 1: it all goes kind of in the same pot. And
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Speaker 1: the way the Ohio State Athletic Department works is if
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Speaker 1: the football team has a couple of bad seasons in
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Speaker 1: a row and ticket sales fall and merchandise sales fall,
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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, that's going to be a
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Speaker 1: bad time for Ohio State in terms of the balance sheet.
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Speaker 1: If there's a couple of bad seasons in terms of basketball,
18:28
Speaker 1: how did football do? Spring football is right around the corner.
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Speaker 1: That's that's kind of the way that the athletic department
18:33
Speaker 1: kind of runs just based on the balance sheet. And
18:37
Speaker 1: you know, I think you have to kind of look
18:39
Speaker 1: at what is reasonable expectation in terms of basketball historically
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Speaker 1: and what's a reason, you know, and what are you
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Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice to exceed that historical norm? And those
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Speaker 1: those are questions that I think are you know, like
18:54
Speaker 1: I said, everyone's mad right now, a month from now,
18:57
Speaker 1: ask yourself those two questions and and see what you think.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even when things are going well, the interest
19:06
Speaker 2: still wanes. You're still thirteen fourteen thousand people in the arena,
19:10
Speaker 2: and it's very very rare that there is actually a
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Speaker 2: sellout even when things are going well at the shot.
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Speaker 2: So if you're mad now, that's fine. But when when
19:23
Speaker 2: you're happy, you could and again I say, you could
19:27
Speaker 2: support the team more Like I'm trying. I don't want
19:30
Speaker 2: to make the basketball fans angry because there are some
19:33
Speaker 2: legit Ohio State basketball fans who might be listening to
19:36
Speaker 2: this or watching this and being like, I'm totally being ignored.
19:39
Speaker 2: We understand that, but it's it's everybody else that is.
19:43
Speaker 2: They're they're the ones doing the ignoring. And you know,
19:48
Speaker 2: if Ohio State fans were as into basketball as they
19:51
Speaker 2: were into football, the world would be a happier place.
19:53
Speaker 2: But they're not. And and so this is, you know
19:57
Speaker 2: what is acceptable. You're looking at it because I don't
20:00
Speaker 2: think john I don't think Jake Deebler is getting fired
20:02
Speaker 2: this year. And and frankly the way that that he
20:06
Speaker 2: was hired, I don't know that. I don't even know
20:08
Speaker 2: that you know enough about him to fire him. But
20:11
Speaker 2: did you know enough about him to hire him?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? He certainly, I would say, deserves another year. And
20:17
Speaker 1: you can't fire someone after one year. The only, the only,
20:20
Speaker 1: the only time other than scandal, that I've thought like
20:23
Speaker 1: that's an acceptable time to fire someone after one year
20:25
Speaker 1: was Ellis Johnson, who took what was like, I think
20:27
Speaker 1: a ten and two Southern miss team and went zero
20:29
Speaker 1: to twelve in his first year. Is like, yeah, that
20:31
Speaker 1: dude needs to get canned and quick. Otherwise, you got
20:35
Speaker 1: to give people two years at least two years, and
20:38
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see two three years for Jake Diebler.
20:41
Speaker 1: The buyout is very reasonable. This is not something that's
20:43
Speaker 1: going to you know, you're not chained to him forever,
20:46
Speaker 1: but he certainly deserves another year to see if you
20:49
Speaker 1: have some better personnel decisions, better player development decisions, you
20:52
Speaker 1: don't have some of the off court nonsense that they
20:54
Speaker 1: had this year. I mean, there's there's a lot of
20:56
Speaker 1: that stuff that all kind of goes into that.
20:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to say, in terms of bringing
21:00
Speaker 2: in a coach, let's remember Ohio State and its history.
21:03
Speaker 2: The only places, the biggest places that it can go
21:05
Speaker 2: and get somebody's coach from is Boston College. They did
21:08
Speaker 2: it with Gary Williams, and they did it with Jim O'Brien.
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Speaker 2: You're not going to go and get the top guy
21:13
Speaker 2: or the top any of the top ten guys. You're
21:15
Speaker 2: gonna have to go to a lower level. Like that
21:18
Speaker 2: amount of being as Xavier for a year when they
21:21
Speaker 2: got was like the best. That was just so much
21:24
Speaker 2: happenstance and just really good timing with the whole thad
21:26
Speaker 2: Moda era. The fact that he was right there and
21:28
Speaker 2: you're looking for a coach and that was a late
21:31
Speaker 2: higher as well, But like, you're not just going to
21:35
Speaker 2: go and get the guy that everybody wants because it's
21:37
Speaker 2: never happened.
21:39
Speaker 1: Right and and so you know, again, I think I'm
21:42
Speaker 1: sure I can already tell the comments, the people who
21:45
Speaker 1: have posted comments before they finished watching the whole thing,
21:47
Speaker 1: that we're just making excuses. It's like, I don't know
21:50
Speaker 1: what to tell you. This is this is sort of
21:52
Speaker 1: the we're explaining to you the reality of the situation,
21:54
Speaker 1: and you may not like it, but this is you
21:57
Speaker 1: want to know why this is happening. This is a
21:59
Speaker 1: lot of why behind what's happening. You know, we've talked
22:02
Speaker 1: about a lot of different stuff, but there's a lot
22:03
Speaker 1: of different factors there. But there's also you know, unless
22:06
Speaker 1: you're going to just throw a big pot of money
22:08
Speaker 1: at it, and you know that at Kentucky basketball has
22:11
Speaker 1: tried that for years and it hasn't It's been a
22:13
Speaker 1: while since they've been a you know, any confetti adjacent situation.
22:18
Speaker 1: So you know, even that is not a guarantee. But
22:21
Speaker 1: you know, there's always there is always next year, we'll
22:23
Speaker 1: see what the roster looks like. I'm guessing there will
22:25
Speaker 1: be plenty of turnover there, we'll be talking about that,
22:27
Speaker 1: but of course we'll also be talking quite a bit
22:29
Speaker 1: about football because this is Ohio State and that's kind
22:32
Speaker 1: of what we do at bucke huddle dot com. We
22:35
Speaker 1: talk about we'll talk about whatever you want to but again,
22:37
Speaker 1: you guys tend to want to talk about football, so
22:39
Speaker 1: we end up talking about a whole lot about football
22:41
Speaker 1: there at buckey huddle dot Com, as well as everywhere
22:44
Speaker 1: else on these Ohio State internets. So we'll be there
22:47
Speaker 1: pucke huddle dot com. We'll be at YouTube dot com,
22:49
Speaker 1: slash bucket Huddle, and great news. Spring football is starting
22:52
Speaker 1: next week Monday. We'll have our first spring practice. We'll
22:55
Speaker 1: have a couple more football shows before we get there,
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Speaker 1: but we'll have plenty of coverage there all spring long
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Speaker 1: at buckehuddle dot Com. We hope to see you there.
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Speaker 1: That'll do it for today. Thank you guys all for
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Speaker 1: joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.