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EVERTON’S UNBEATEN RUN CONTINUES! | Outside The Box · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

• 0:00
  Get up your box, killing yourself.
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  I'm up an old man.
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  Me back.
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  That's it.
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  You look like you're going to climb up a mountain.
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  No, I'm just... A lot of insulation.
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  Basically, I'm just...
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  Mind, though, there's not an NFL badge on your arm.
• 0:15
  Yeah.
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  Are you now blagging you're into the NFL as well?
• 0:19
  Now blagging.
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  I am a huge Jets fan.
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  Oh my God.
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  To be fair, even I knew that.
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  What is going on here?
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  And we won our first game this weekend.
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  Oh, stop it.
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  And we?
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  We?
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  That's horrible.
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  Oh my God.
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  He's probably got a half and half scarf as well, hasn't he?
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  Who's the Jets?
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  Yeah, 100%.
• 0:46
  Oh, yeah.
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  Do you know what?
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  If I could get a Jets Everton scarf, I would.
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  I'd be all over that.
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  Don't you dare.
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  Don't you dare, do you?
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  I know your love for half and half scarfs.
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  Oh, my word.
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  What's going on?
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  I mean, they shouldn't exist, should they?
• 1:00
  No, they should not.
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  No, but I'm allowed to have interest in other sports.
• 1:04
  No, you're not.
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  All right, okay.
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  Sorry, I take it back then.
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  No, you're not.
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  Maybe a bit of boxing potentially now and then.
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  Yeah, I was going to remind Tony that boxing is a different sport than football there.
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  He doesn't even like boxing.
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  He doesn't pay attention to it.
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  He has no idea.
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  I think he knows one or two people I've thought at the most.
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  Probably forgot them, to be honest.
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  See what I mean?
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  Told you.
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  Can't believe you're a Jets fan.
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  Oh, my God.
• 1:33
  Well, you know what?
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  I'm a Raiders fan.
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  Oh, they're the hosies.
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  I'm not a Raiders fan.
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  I'm just taking the piss.
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  You knew who they were, though.
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  Of course I know the Raiders are.
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  I've even got a black favourite player.
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  Like a bit of Vegas, don't you?
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  I've even got a black favourite player.
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  And if you know anything about the NFL, who's the guy who's known for the Skittles?
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  Skittles yeah Skittles he's my favourite player and you don't see you don't know do you so his parts are dead is he I'll give you I'll give you a clue he was brilliant for the Seahawks who's at the Raiders now
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  It's not the guy who does all the good Russian stuff.
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  See, you've got no idea.
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  Oh, my God.
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  He's... No.
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  Marshawn Lynch.
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  Ah, right.
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  Okay, yeah.
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  No, I wouldn't have got him.
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  He's Skittles.
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  I was going for the...
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  I was going for Max...
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  I was going to go for Max Crosby, the edge rusher.
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  Here we go.
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  Come on, let's talk about football.
• 2:27
  I'll tell what he's doing.
• 2:28
  Right, okay, yeah.
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  Sorry, go on.
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  Before we do, I saw that you guys were hanging out with royalty this week.
• 2:34
  We were.
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  Yes, we was, yes.
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  How was that?
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  Leon fitted in perfectly.
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  Being the Lord of Scam, Leon fitted in absolutely perfectly.
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  It's all up for the prince.
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  Now I'll have you know.
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  Yeah, I didn't get to get invited by my own mum though.
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  Tony only turned up because his mum made him.
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  I got told by me and mother to go there.
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  People were trying to get in touch with me from all different walks.
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  I just don't really answer the phone to many people these days.
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  I did tell my mum, you need to go.
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  I think you should be going there.
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  I was like, where mum?
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  She was like, it's at Everton Stadium.
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  I thought, well, Everton haven't actually contacted me to go.
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  So I thought, well, that's the first sign that I shouldn't be there.
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  And then I just thought, okay, well, better turn off, hadn't I?
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  Because my mum is all bad.
• 3:27
  Yeah.
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  So it's only the Prince of England, like?
• 3:29
  Listen, it was great to meet him, him and his wife.
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  Well, Prince of Wales.
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  He was brilliant.
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  him and his wife were brilliant.
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  It was a really good event, wasn't it?
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  The most important thing is it was highlighting men's mental health and mental health for everybody across the workplace, just in all different sets and scenarios.
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  I thought it was brilliant in what they were doing.
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  Yeah, it wasn't just men's.
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  It was just highlighting mental health and the fight to prevent suicides and...
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  Campbell Hatton spoke, didn't he?
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  Really, really well.
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  He's a lovely kid, Campbell.
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  Dame Kelly Holmes spoke.
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  Dame Laura Kenny spoke up on stage alongside, obviously, different times than The Prince.
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  So it was good to be in a room with all those people and hear their stories and try and relate, understand, realise that this could happen to anybody and to be aware of it.
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  And if you are feeling...
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  If you are feeling those kind of feelings, let somebody know.
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  If you're a friend of somebody and you suspect that could be happening, that they're feeling down, they're unexpectedly in a bit of a rut, go and ask why.
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  Go find out.
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  So it's good to be a part of that event, and I'm sure and I hope it will help moving forward.
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  An incredibly important message.
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  Let's move on to football.
• 4:53
  We are six games now unbeaten, still.
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  Everton versus Tottenham.
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  Everton versus Tottenham, 0-0.
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  To be fair, we were chatting saying it was going to be a draw.
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  Where do you want to start with that game?
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  What type of things were you intrigued by?
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  The fact...
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  I thought we defended well, but they started quite quickly.
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  And yet, touch wood.
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  I've got faith in us as a back four.
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  I think Jarrod Brantway is an absolute Rolls Royce.
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  Even when he's exposed 1v1 or he gets into certain positions, touch wood again.
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  I'm not trying to jinx the lad for this weekend's game, but he always seems in control of the situation.
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  And I love that.
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  Mikhelenko had his best game.
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  I think he got man of the match officially.
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  probably not been heralded as a fantastic right back in his time.
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  He's really stepped up so far this season.
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  There's probably a lot of people thinking if we're going to strengthen in positions, it's right back, left back.
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  He's stepped up.
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  And I just thought we were solid across the board.
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  And at halftime, although I actually went in open for a win at halftime, no one out of the game went.
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  So I was thinking I'll take a 0-0 draw here.
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  And we're capable of getting that.
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  So we know it's going to be tough at the top end of the pitch this season.
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  So the more
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  the more clean sheets we get, the better we'll be for the team.
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  I mean, purely for selfish reasons, I was over the moon with the 0-0 because I have an evident defender and I also have Jordan Pickford and Golden, my fancy football team.
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  So it wasn't just about fancy football, it was about getting the results.
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  But yeah, they were really good.
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  I thought, you know, going...
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  As we always touch upon, when someone's looking for the results and they haven't had the results in an hour long and they haven't scored a goal, you just think, right, first five minutes, just play Everton.
• 6:51
  We said to me, yeah.
• 6:53
  Yeah.
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  Just play Everton because you'll get to the win and you'll probably be winning 3-0 at a half time.
• 6:58
  And the fact that they went out there and just shut them down, I thought it was really impressive, really good.
• 7:04
  And listen, we could have nicked the win, but I think the draw was overall fair.
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  And...
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  it's one of the only times where I've seen Everton go away from home and you don't look like you're just playing for the draw you look like you're going you know we're going to have a go here as well we're going to try and nick it and so going towards the end them last 10 minutes they were nervy for Tottenham I thought they were the ones who were panicking we were the ones on the ascendancy and I thought we were good so I
• 7:31
  made up, and the fact that we're going away from it, we're doing better at home, you know, we look more consistent at home, we look more direct at home, I just think, you know, we're on the up, obviously we're short one number, but, it is what it is, we've just got to deal with it.
• 7:48
  We had the better chances in that game as well.
• 7:51
  Make no mistake about it.
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  I mean, Tiano is unlucky.
• 7:57
  He's got a score, but he's unlucky.
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  I mean, the keeper doesn't even know it hits his head.
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  I'll be saying that about him a little bit again.
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  I'm sure a bit.
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  He's got a score, but he's really unlucky.
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  Keenan Drewsby Hall has a really good chance.
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  He could lay that off for a tap-in.
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  We trust him to go by himself.
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  The keeper makes a save.
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  Brennan Johnson's got to score that.
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  I know it's coming to him quickly and I know it bounces just in front of him, but he's inside the frame of the goal and he's got all of the goals to aim for.
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  He just needs to sort of caress it, control it, guide it.
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  And he seemed to go for like time and power, which...
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  you know, if you try and drop a ball and hit it, it's going to be hard.
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  Just let your foot meet it on its way through.
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  And he didn't, but we had the best chances in the game and definitely could have won, but I think we'd take a point, as Tony said.
• 8:49
  But again, I'll touch on what Tony said, the fact that getting to a certain part of the game, knowing that,
• 8:56
  Everton usually do this to us or Everton will usually concede a goal or, you know, we get to these situations, it doesn't matter how well we've done, something, you know, a ball will go against us or history will go against us and we actually, we've stood up to history and we've stood up to our own recent sort of,
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  negativity of noise that we're even making.
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  That, you know, well, it'll be us or their striker will score because they'll score.
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  The team stood up to that as well.
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  And that was probably the thing I liked the most.
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  They stood up to history.
• 9:32
  Does Moyes deserve big plaudits for how hard he's made us to get beat?
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  I don't know about plaudits.
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  I think we're pleased with it.
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  But I think it's what we expect.
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  I think if you're looking at a David Moyes team,
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  I think if he was to be the manager of us for the next five or six years, by the end of that, we will be playing lovely football.
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  But at the start, I mean, we might say two or three years for anyone listening that's scared by that time frame.
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  We're not going to play good football for five, six years.
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  That's not what I'm saying.
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  I'm saying, but if he was ahead of us for a long time,
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  By the end of it, I think he showed in three or four different football teams I played in, the Pienares and the Cales and when Darren Gibson came and Jelovic.
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  We played a lot of different good football along the way, but he always starts at the back.
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  He always starts to try and make you solid.
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  So when you say plaudits for that, it's...
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  It's where his base of his team comes from.
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  I always knew he'd come in and bring that to us.
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  I knew he'd make us difficult to get beat.
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  I knew he'd make us competitive.
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  I knew he'd sign players that buy into that across midfield.
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  So I don't think I'm ever worried about that.
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  So yes, I'm pleased.
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  Yes, I'm happy.
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  Yes, I'll say brilliant Dave Moyes, a team capable of keeping clean sheets.
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  But that's his thing, isn't it?
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  That's his mandate.
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  That's what he does.
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  It's his bread and butter.
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  that's just David Moyes all over that's his ethos comes in he makes you hard to beat it should be any manager's ethos if I'm being totally honest if you don't concede goals and you're not hard to beat and you're hard to beat then you've got somewhere to start it's as simple as that if you're not conceding goals you're not losing games
• 11:08
  and that's how I would think every manager would look at it but do you know what I'm of this I think we're playing really good football at times I really do they're knocking around the pass it's not
• 11:21
  This isn't the David Moyes I've seen when he was first at our place with the kind of football he played at times.
• 11:27
  Because there's players running...
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  It's like Niles, you're staying...
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  I'm talking about the Wolves game now.
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  Maitland Niles.
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  Mate, he set off a few times last night and I thought, oh, where are you going?
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  Oh, you're in the other half.
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  And at times he was running to midfield.
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  That scared the life out of you, a full-back being in the other half.
• 11:46
  Absolutely frightened the life out of me.
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  It's not that he was in the other half, it's just the fact that he went running into the centre of the park a couple of times and I just thought, oh, I told you to do that.
• 11:54
  Well, do you know what the good thing about that is?
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  He's a midfielder and he's capable of, which I've seen a few times, he can get on the half turn and get...
• 12:01
  Anyway, sorry, carry on.
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  But how quick was he as well?
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  And he was lightning fast, you know.
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  I thought Wolves were really decent, to be fair, last night.
• 12:08
  I thought they were very good, thought they were very well drilled.
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  I thought they had some decent chances.
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  Jordan Peggford pulls off a massive and really important save into that second half.
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  And then I thought...
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  I thought it was one of...
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  Tieno Barry's lesser games.
• 12:27
  I'm trying to be as positive as I can.
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  I didn't think he'd done very well against Wolves.
• 12:33
  But I'll tell you something, when Brennan Johnson come on, the speed and the quickness of him and the fact that he was able to get into certain positions that Barry weren't.
• 12:44
  He had a one-on-one chance and he was in the speed of light.
• 12:48
  The ball got played.
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  I think it was Keenan Dupia who sets him in.
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  Yeah.
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  And he's in and behind them.
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  Within a couple of minutes of being on, I just thought, oh, that's the kind of run...
• 13:00
  And I've never had him down, Brennan Johnson, as an out-now forward.
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  And I don't think he is.
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  But the fact that he sees them runs and he makes them lets me know, oh, you can be a false nine.
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  You can be a decoy.
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  You can open the game up for other players to come into.
• 13:16
  I just thought, you know, there was a lot of positives.
• 13:18
  So, you know what the biggest, most important thing for me now is this weekend?
• 13:23
  Not losing.
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  Do not lose momentum.
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  Don't go into the international break.
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  Ideally, we'd love to all go in on a win, 3-4, 5-0 win, give these a good hiding like they deserve, what they should be getting.
• 13:35
  But ultimately, just keep the momentum of going in, because I hate these international breaks.
• 13:40
  I mean, we've just had a World Cup.
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  It shouldn't even be happening.
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  It should not be happening.
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  It should be cancelled out for a whole season.
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  Just no internationals.
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  Let everyone just enjoy playing club football.
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  It's like two weeks as well, isn't it?
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  So annoying.
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  It's pathetic.
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  I don't mind.
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  I get a couple of weeks off from where?
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  Don't start me off again.
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  I don't mind a little international.
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  I've never, ever minded.
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  The only time I hated the international break was when I got called up for England.
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  Suddenly I had to work during the week.
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  other than that I used to get a lovely weekend away what will the routine be like for the players international break because we're not full of internationals are we to be honest so what's the dance no we've got a few but I I don't actually know this time because this is the first time it's ever been such a long one so normally I don't know
• 14:32
  For an international kind of break, let's just say you play on a Saturday, you have one weekend off.
• 14:39
  It's a variation of this by a day or two, but it's generally the same.
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  You'll probably have Sunday, Monday off.
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  You'll come back into training Tuesday, Wednesday, maybe Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, depending on the manager.
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  You'll work really hard in those three days.
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  And then you'll get a variation of Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, maybe even Monday off.
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  And then you'll come back at the start of the next week and then you start building up to your game on the following weekend.
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  And again, you might come back Monday of your game, Saturday of your game, not till Sunday.
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  They might give you an extra day off Tuesday.
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  And then the internationals come back a variation of Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
• 15:16
  I mean, the ones that travel a long way can come back Friday, morning, Friday night even, but.
• 15:22
  You then start to build up to the team.
• 15:24
  So if you're not in the squad, you get at least three, maybe even four days off continuously over a period, which, as I say, I used to love, get myself away, power down, just mentally.
• 15:37
  It's a great little mental break of, right, we've done that first section, we've got this many points, or we didn't, or it was disabled, just to go away and reassess it, have a think about it.
• 15:47
  power down, mentally spend a bit of time with your family because even though the season's just started, which it has and everybody's thinking like yourselves, we've only been going for three weeks, but the players have been back in training for eight, nine weeks now.
• 16:00
  Three of them, maybe even four of them, they've actually spent on tour away from the family.
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  Three weeks in Australia or two weeks in America or two weeks in Austria.
• 16:10
  You've literally spent no time with your family over the last eight weeks because the season starts thick and fast as well.
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  So,
• 16:16
  Yeah, it was always a good time just to reconnect, power down and do all that until I got an England cap, which was...
• 16:25
  So it's just to be sure.
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  I'm only joking about that for anyone listening.
• 16:28
  I'm very proud of the England cap.
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  Just to be sure.
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  So for the outside looking in, you'll think of normal football fans, they'll be thinking, mate, they've got two weeks off.
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  So the gaffer's not just going to come in and go, you've just got a full week off.
• 16:39
  That's never going to happen.
• 16:40
  No, not at all.
• 16:40
  But especially because it's different this time because there's literally two weekends off.
• 16:44
  There's two international breaks packed into one.
• 16:47
  So I've got absolutely no idea how the managers are going to do it.
• 16:51
  And it's the first time for all the different managers.
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  So I would be amazed if...
• 16:55
  throughout the whole of the Premier League and Championship, that anybody sort of has a set way of doing it and anybody does it the same.
• 17:03
  There'll be variations as everybody's trying to see what works best for them, what works best for the squad.
• 17:08
  There's probably, I would expect, going to be a behind-closed-doors friendly for a few players that probably need a game or are on the way back from fitness.
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  Eight minutes.
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  If it was me...
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  and I was one of the players that hasn't been called up, I would like it behind closed doors friendly, rather than just train all the time, train, train, train.
• 17:28
  I'd rather just have a little knock.
• 17:29
  Let's bring in...
• 17:31
  It might have to be a team that needs a game as well, but bring someone in and let's play.
• 17:37
  Do you know when you're playing them behind those friendly games?
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  is everyone going for it?
• 17:43
  I mean, I know that sounds stupid, are people trying, everyone's trying to impress the manager, are you trying to show that, you know, you should be playing, or how does that work?
• 17:52
  It depends on your mentality, it depends on where you are, with regards to the team, it depends on your fitness levels, it depends on what you're trying to prove, you know,
• 18:01
  For some people, it's just get through the 90 minutes.
• 18:04
  Don't feel like you're going to... For instance, if Jimmy Garner's now going to be there, just picking him out, just for instance, a guy who's getting better by the game, his fitness levels are getting better, you're saying, play the game, no stupid tackles.
• 18:19
  No stupid this.
• 18:20
  Don't think you have to play 70-yard passes.
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  Don't think you have to impress me.
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  You impress me by getting through the 90 minutes without an injury.
• 18:26
  All right?
• 18:28
  I'm not bothered about the result.
• 18:29
  You are bothered about the result in terms of if Sheffield United, for instance, bring a team to Finch Farm and you play.
• 18:35
  You want to beat Sheffield United's variation of this.
• 18:39
  But you're not that.
• 18:40
  You know, it doesn't matter.
• 18:40
  As long as...
• 18:42
  people and pieces get what they need to be.
• 18:44
  Maybe trying somebody in a different spot.
• 18:47
  But yeah, you just want them to get through the minutes.
• 18:51
  And we're a small squad.
• 18:52
  We're going to need everybody firing.
• 18:54
  What you don't want...
• 18:56
  for instance, is you just mentioned about Everton not having a load of internationals.
• 19:01
  I think we've got a few, but for those that go away, if they go away and they train intensely at their international teams and they do great, and if they play, they've kept up their fitness and they've played a lot of football.
• 19:13
  If they don't, at least they've trained at a real top level for a bit.
• 19:18
  If you're not doing it for suddenly two to two and a half weeks back at the training ground, and you've probably not been playing anyway, suddenly you're just coming down from those top fitness levels that you've got to, because you're not playing international games.
• 19:32
  You're not keeping up your fitness.
• 19:35
  You're just dropping off.
• 19:36
  It's like...
• 19:37
  For instance, if a guy doesn't play for three weeks, three weeks later, he's going to probably not, he's going to be 95, 90% of his potential sharpness just from coming down, not playing.
• 19:48
  So that's why I think they'll add the games in as well.
• 19:51
  And I think I'm really interested to see how these teams manage it, to be honest.
• 19:56
  Hmm.
• 19:58
  Just before we move on and look at the Ipswich game, as you mentioned, you were going to say a little word on Barry.
• 20:05
  There was another big chance in that game against Wolves where you maybe would have expected them to score.
• 20:10
  Does it come to a point where we're saying it's unlucky too much?
• 20:17
  I suppose, yes, you do eventually.
• 20:20
  I always watch...
• 20:22
  teammates reactions around players you know when you've got a player that you you think keeps frustrating you or letting you down and you put across i mean garn up or across into to barry last night and he headed it actually his contact was brilliant he rose brilliantly he headed it back across the goalkeeper um
• 20:44
  And it's an unbelievable save by ex-Everton goalkeeper, Joe Virginia, who played for Wolves last night.
• 20:52
  And I'm looking and he's done everything that he got taught to do.
• 20:55
  Back across the goalkeeper, keep it under the bar, good power, good timing.
• 21:00
  And he's had it saved.
• 21:03
  Whereas if you look at it in slow motion, the big gaps at the near post, you save four yards out that you've got to score.
• 21:10
  So I'm torn on that one.
• 21:13
  I'm frustrated for him because it's not like he's scuffed it or missed it.
• 21:16
  His contact is brilliant.
• 21:18
  But I'm looking at the players around him, just getting a little bit frustrated with him, which...
• 21:26
  But at the same time, they'll be delighted when he scores.
• 21:29
  When he puts one in, they'll back him 100%.
• 21:33
  I think we just need to get him off and running.
• 21:36
  But I thought that was a good game last night.
• 21:38
  I really did.
• 21:40
  I thought some people played well.
• 21:42
  I thought, how can he impresses me every time I see him?
• 21:44
  Just his busyness and his play.
• 21:45
  Yes, he gives the ball away here or there.
• 21:47
  But he'll...
• 21:48
  He'll keep improving as that goes.
• 21:50
  I thought Tyler Dibblen showed me a lot.
• 21:53
  And I've been desperate for him too.
• 21:54
  I've been dying for him too.
• 21:56
  And I thought he showed me a lot last night.
• 21:58
  Yes, some people will say it against the championship team in Wolves who, you know, they were Premier League last season.
• 22:03
  So let's not think they dropped too much.
• 22:07
  I thought he dropped the shoulder.
• 22:08
  I thought he was brave.
• 22:09
  I thought he went at his man.
• 22:10
  I thought his feet and his trickery were good.
• 22:12
  He got into the box decisively at times.
• 22:16
  I didn't think he gave it away an awful lot, even though I'm expecting him to, because that's the style of player he is.
• 22:21
  It's through ball to Brennan Johnson.
• 22:23
  I think that's what you were talking about before, Tone.
• 22:25
  When he chopped inside and played it through to Brennan Johnson, it was outstanding.
• 22:29
  And the best thing about that, which I was screaming to my kids, because I was watching on telly, screaming to my kids,
• 22:35
  There it is.
• 22:36
  That's the thing that will get him in the team.
• 22:39
  He played that pass, right?
• 22:41
  And within 20 seconds, he sprinted all the way back because they had a break.
• 22:45
  And he made a one-on-one tackle at the back.
• 22:48
  And that tells me he's not a tricky winger that's now admired his passing and then stood there.
• 22:53
  He's made that pass.
• 22:55
  And he still had the awareness to see what's around him, know that we're in a little bit of trouble, sprint back, show good pace, made a great tackle.
• 23:03
  and then got a pat on his back, the crowd loved, and that is the type of thing that will get him trusted by David Murray to get the first team.
• 23:09
  That's an Everton player.
• 23:10
  Just clapping my head off.
• 23:12
  That's an Everton player.
• 23:13
  You know, when that tackle, he was one-on-one, that guy, he was in on goal, it was just dibbling, caught him.
• 23:18
  He got through the two centre-halves, I don't know how he got through the two of them, but he did, and Tyron makes that tackle and I jumped up screaming.
• 23:26
  I celebrated that like it was a goal.
• 23:28
  That's exactly what I was in the ground last night and I just thought, wow, well done, lad.
• 23:32
  that's going to endear you more to the fans.
• 23:36
  Don't get me wrong, there was times where I'm looking at him and I worry about him because he seems to be, if he's in a world of his own, and he's just walking around, and I don't know, I hope he's not feeling sorry for himself, but he wasn't, he'd get on the ball, he wanted the ball, he's willing to go forward, he was brave at times.
• 23:55
  I just think,
• 23:57
  When you give it to a winger, the last thing you want to see a winger do is chop back and look to pass it back.
• 24:03
  But we've got to understand not every person's ill and men's job.
• 24:07
  And not every person's going to want to go get the ball and doesn't even look back and just go at you and attack you.
• 24:13
  I think Tyler Dibblington will be a player that he might be playing short, intricate passes and quick and fast one-twos to get in and behind.
• 24:20
  He's not necessarily going to outrun you and outpace you.
• 24:26
  He's going to beat you by being a bit smarter and being a bit cleverer on the ball.
• 24:30
  So it's a quick one-two.
• 24:31
  it's a quick shift and pass, or it's not going to be a knock and run pass, you know what I'm saying?
• 24:36
  Like, when Tyree George came on last night, it was a completely different set of skills, what he was using.
• 24:42
  He was just legging people.
• 24:44
  He was just absolutely leaving people for dead.
• 24:46
  And there's not, like, wolves, there was nothing they could do with them.
• 24:49
  He took on three, four men, putting crosses.
• 24:52
  The minute he came on, he had a massive impact, Tyree George.
• 24:55
  And he...
• 24:57
  I do think the more Tyler Dibblom plays and the more minutes he gets, I do think the more we'll see of, the less we'll see of the walking around or the strutting around.
• 25:07
  I just think it's his persona.
• 25:10
  And I think the less we'll see of it because he'll become more and more of an Everton player and more and more ultimately of a David Moyes player.
• 25:17
  That tackle epitomised everything Everton's about.
• 25:20
  You lose the ball, we get back.
• 25:23
  We've talked about him before in terms of if players that have that sort of demeanour about them, they're out of the socks down, that look like they never sprint, that kind of look like they don't care.
• 25:34
  When they play well, they look like the game is so easy and they're brilliant to watch and they look arrogant.
• 25:39
  Cole Palmer style, Van Dijk style, you know, when they play well, they look outstanding.
• 25:47
  and they look like somebody we all want to emulate and we all want to be.
• 25:50
  But when they don't play well and when the game's not going their way, you start to question how much they care and how much they're trying and how much they really, really want it, which is probably a bit unfair because they do.
• 26:01
  It's just their style makes you feel that they don't.
• 26:05
  So he's going to have that to contend with his whole career.
• 26:09
  But performances like last night, showing that he's prepared to drive around and run around and,
• 26:14
  hit tackles and get forward, do the horrible stuff, get back and all that.
• 26:20
  Definitely going to get him games of football because the more he gets trusted defensively and to be switched on, because the better.
• 26:27
  Because I remember speaking to you all,
• 26:29
  In fact, I spoke about Tyler Dibbon before.
• 26:31
  One of the reasons he didn't play an awful lot was because of this exact game last year.
• 26:36
  Wolves away, it was though, in the Carabao Cup at this stage where Wolves scored that winning goal because Dibbon didn't really close anyone down and he was just sort of floating through the game and his mindset was a bit...
• 26:48
  Well, I haven't got the ball, so I'm obviously not taking part in the game.
• 26:51
  Whereas last night, it took a year, but last night showed that actually that year looks like he's learnt a lot.
• 26:58
  He's developed a lot.
• 26:59
  Training, mostly, you would expect, has brought a lot out of him.
• 27:02
  So, yeah, I'm really pleased for where he can get to now.
• 27:07
  And then you looked at, Tony just said as well, when Tariq George came on, how bright did we look and how energetic did we look on both sides?
• 27:14
  Yeah.
• 27:15
  You know, the youth of them both.
• 27:17
  Suddenly we've now, I mean, Jack composes the game and gives us things differently.
• 27:23
  But we were talking at the start of the season, if one of those two could step up, George or Diblin, how good would that be?
• 27:29
  What a future we'd have.
• 27:30
  Well, they both might now.
• 27:32
  Imagine where we can go with two young, very start of their careers, energetic, giving you different kind of things, players.
• 27:39
  Yeah, I enjoyed last night.
• 27:40
  I did.
• 27:42
  thought we'd have scored earlier yeah I would have been much nicer for me heart and for me grey hairs on my head that would have been far better what do we make out of Jack Grealish against Wolves because I thought he's really good he controls the game at times but I don't know it just when Tyree George comes on it's pace it's getting at you it's quick Jack's a different player but he penetrates you in a different way like he gets at you he gets at you once again with brains
• 28:12
  Yeah, well, Jack's not going to outpace anyone anymore, really.
• 28:16
  What he does, similar to himself or, say, Pienaar or, you know, just players I played with and related to, when you're dribbling at someone, you dribble...
• 28:25
  in between the gaps.
• 28:26
  So you run close enough to another player that they don't think they can tackle you, but you're far enough away from your playing.
• 28:31
  You run in the spaces rather than actually get at somebody 1v1.
• 28:37
  Whereas Tyra George and Tyler Dibblom want to get at people 1v1.
• 28:40
  You want to leave them.
• 28:42
  You don't need to overlap them.
• 28:43
  You want to expose them 1v1 against their fullbacks.
• 28:46
  Whereas Jack,
• 28:47
  similar to Pienaar, similar to myself, similar to other players we've had down the years.
• 28:53
  We need runners.
• 28:54
  We've got good skill and we'll come inside, we can see a pass.
• 28:58
  Think about Jack's best moments.
• 28:59
  It's playing in a full-back.
• 29:01
  So Mikhellenko was, again, really good last night for his overlaps and being in the right place and Jack playing him in.
• 29:06
  But you think of Jack's best moments as well.
• 29:08
  It's usually cutting inside and having a juicer-holl run because Keenan's made a really good run for someone for Jack to pass to or a striker for him to pass to.
• 29:16
  So he's all dictated to by that really.
• 29:21
  But he's, he controls the game.
• 29:22
  He wins as far as when we need to.
• 29:24
  I think he's, I think he does play us a little bit slow at times.
• 29:26
  So I thought Boise was pretty good in his decision to actually, maybe it was, he's only got 60, 70 minutes in him.
• 29:33
  I don't know, but to bring him off because we needed to keep being relentless with our pace to wear them down, to batter them, to go again, go again, not slow the game down.
• 29:42
  Uh,
• 29:43
  But we definitely need him at the football club.
• 29:47
  Do you think he's not 100% Oz?
• 29:49
  Do you think he's not 100% I think he's trying to catch Matt's fitness?
• 29:53
  Yeah, he will be because he's been at City for the start of the pre-season in which I don't know how much, I don't think he's played an awful lot.
• 30:01
  Certainly not as much as we'd have played him in pre-season to get him up to his levels.
• 30:05
  So when I'm talking about behind closed doors games, Jack will be one of those that could do with it.
• 30:11
  Just to get him up to that final 5% of sharpness.
• 30:16
  Because we all know what player he is when he is at that sharpness.
• 30:21
  Yeah, because we need him.
• 30:23
  We're playing with one and a half strikers.
• 30:26
  Yes, Brennan Johnson did okay.
• 30:28
  when you come on, he runs it different.
• 30:29
  I thought Tarek George might have come on up front.
• 30:33
  But the one I was, another person I was pleased for, as I'm sure everyone was, was Charlie Alcaraz coming on.
• 30:39
  Great goal.
• 30:40
  He's been starved of minutes.
• 30:43
  When he signed for us, he was our best player.
• 30:45
  Last season or season before, when we got him, he was our best player.
• 30:49
  He's got some crucial goals to help us stay up.
• 30:52
  And,
• 30:54
  hasn't been fancied by him most because I think he gives the ball away in silly places and he keeps making silly decisions.
• 31:00
  But...
• 31:01
  is the Sunderland away last season when he went through one-on-one and we didn't get a shot.
• 31:06
  You know, just popped into my head.
• 31:08
  Moments like that.
• 31:10
  But he's got real talent and real skill.
• 31:12
  And when we're seeing these Carabao Cup games, I'm thinking he would play in them minutes and he's still not.
• 31:18
  And yet to be coming on and be positive and come on and show energy, not coming on and be like, I'm going to show you.
• 31:24
  I'm going to score you and show you I should be in the team.
• 31:27
  Because it was a great touch and tear.
• 31:29
  Great finish.
• 31:31
  Who's our best eleven?
• 31:33
  What's our best eleven?
• 31:34
  Because I don't know.
• 31:37
  I'm pleased to say that I'm happy about that.
• 31:40
  I think that's a really good sign.
• 31:42
  I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I could pick me centre forward.
• 31:48
  Michael Keane.
• 31:50
  Well, we've only got one.
• 31:53
  So I'm good with that.
• 31:54
  And I'll tell you, I'll pick me goalkeeper because that was another thing about last night.
• 31:57
  We went with a strong team, but we kept Pickford.
• 32:00
  How often have you seen your number two goalkeeper coming in?
• 32:03
  And when we get to 65 minutes, they have to always make a save, goalkeepers.
• 32:08
  There's always going to be a save they have to make in a game.
• 32:11
  and he made that save.
• 32:12
  If we go 1-0 behind there, we're not winning that game.
• 32:14
  We're out the cup.
• 32:15
  And he was there in that moment.
• 32:17
  And that's why you play him in that game.
• 32:19
  But anyway, sorry.
• 32:20
  Go on.
• 32:20
  He's a saviour, mate.
• 32:22
  But no, I always want to ask you, to be honest, I mean, I just...
• 32:27
  I think I know most about, well, I know the back, we obviously, we know the back four.
• 32:30
  When everyone's fit and everyone's firing, I think we know.
• 32:33
  But I don't know the exact from midfield, from the midfield.
• 32:37
  I don't know what we're starting.
• 32:39
  I don't know the shape we're starting.
• 32:40
  Because there's such a good variety of players who can do various jobs in various positions.
• 32:45
  And I think it just, a big part of it comes down to, I think, who we're actually playing.
• 32:50
  That's what I think I'm massive about.
• 32:52
  And that's what I'm happy about.
• 32:53
  David Moyes has got options in the midfield.
• 32:57
  I think we've got, we know the defence, you know, we know, we know, you're a captain for the reasons, Archie, so you know you're starting every week.
• 33:04
  Gerard Brantwaite, if he's fit every week, you'd assume he's starting.
• 33:08
  Maitland-Niles, obviously Michaelenko on the left, Jordan in goal.
• 33:12
  But when it comes to midfield, he obviously likes to hold the midfielders.
• 33:16
  Well, not necessarily hold them, but to that kind of sit.
• 33:20
  And then this is where I start going, well, Jimmy Garner has to play every week as a sitting.
• 33:24
  And I would think the new boy who's come in is going to be playing with him.
• 33:28
  But Hackney, because I think he's a really good footballer, but then where do you fit in the others?
• 33:34
  It's a proper puzzle, but it is what it is.
• 33:37
  Look, it's exactly what you want.
• 33:39
  Now, when you've got 11 players,
• 33:44
  that you know is when you know you're starting team and you've got 11 players and you play them every week once you get an injury and you're bringing someone else in you're lowering the standard of the team whereas if you've now got a start in 15 16 I mean they're saying 18 they say you've got a squad of 18 and they could all be starters yeah I wouldn't come too far away from that maybe I'd say 15
• 34:07
  maybe 16, 15, that you know you can rotate.
• 34:12
  You think about, I'm not comparing us to Man City under Pep, but I'm saying think about Pep.
• 34:16
  Pep didn't have a best start in 11 ever, I don't think, because at any point nobody was surprised by the 11 he picked because he may have put...
• 34:26
  De Silva in there and De Bruyne in there or he may have put Gundogan or he may have put because he considered he had team of all starters and if we have that brilliantly because you need competition you need to people the players need to know that it's competitive that we need to be able to make subs and us not get any worse that's one of the reasons and it
• 34:48
  If everybody's up to speed and everybody's fit, which I thought last night was a great moment to kind of show that.
• 34:54
  Diblin's basically said, put me on, coach.
• 34:56
  Next time we need a goal or next time you need a bit of inspiration, I'm ready.
• 34:59
  I'll do all the defensive.
• 35:01
  Tyreek George has already showed that.
• 35:03
  Brennan Johnson showed that he can give us a little bit up front now.
• 35:06
  So suddenly, Charlie Alcaraz is coming on and scoring goals.
• 35:09
  We've always loved the midfield four that we've got.
• 35:12
  We could play at any moment.
• 35:14
  You've got...
• 35:15
  Hackney Harrison Armstrong who's done brilliant to propel himself forward Jimmy Garner who we all want to play but probably needs to just sharpen up a last touch because of that pre-season he missed and Keaton if any of three of those four start in the midfield we're not batting an eyelid and I love that about us now so just the main thing is for us to stay fifth we need to because of the limitations of our squad we need them all to stay fifth
• 35:39
  Oz, when you were playing, and you think about how many of us was using the midfield area where you just go, right, it could be me, this could be, did you have a set team?
• 35:49
  It was only ever me, mate.
• 35:51
  Just me.
• 35:52
  Whoever was next to me.
• 35:54
  No, but you've been, you've been having some brilliant midfielders in the round.
• 35:58
  You've got guys Barry obviously gave over various others, but...
• 36:02
  When you're saying that as a player, are you saying, oh, it might be me this week, it might not, but how's that going to work?
• 36:08
  So them lads, the gaffer names his team, does he name his team on the Friday, does he name his team on the Saturday morning?
• 36:13
  You know, do you know you're playing every week?
• 36:17
  That's what I'm trying to get at.
• 36:18
  I liked to find a team out on a Friday.
• 36:21
  And even if I got to a point where I was quite confident that I was going to be, I was having a run in the team and I was playing most of the games, I was still always nervous on a Friday.
• 36:31
  because I was never sort of completely assured.
• 36:35
  That's how I felt.
• 36:37
  Yeah, I never felt there was a guarantee.
• 36:39
  No, I always might make changes.
• 36:42
  But even when I was senior and I was in that position, I never sort of let myself.
• 36:47
  excuse me, let myself feel like I was a guarantee.
• 36:51
  But especially if you're in a position we were at a time, for instance, when there were times when Simon Davis came in, suddenly I'm having to compete for my position.
• 37:02
  When Mikel came in and then Steven Pienaar came in, suddenly you're competing for your position and you're moving across.
• 37:08
  And, you know, Mikel and Steven competed at one point and whoever won the battle out of them two, whoever came on was definitely not making us worse.
• 37:17
  you know there was I think we've we've been at our best when we've kind of had players that have had a run in the team when we're kind of settled but we've got a a 14 I think if you've got three subs especially back in the day when you could only have three subs if you've got
• 37:34
  three subs that you know actually don't hurt the team but they just give you a little bit something different they give you a little bit of you know maybe an extra striker he'll give you the way he holds the ball up well or you know you've got a winger that's pacey rather than one that comes inside but they could start at any time I think they're the best teams that they're best squads to be involved in and although we are lacking still in some positions I'm honestly seeing us
• 38:01
  I'm seeing the building blocks at Everson at the minute of us starting to put a squad together.
• 38:08
  So come on then, pick me the midfielder who starts.
• 38:10
  I'm still not prepared to pick you at a starting 11th.
• 38:13
  I'm not.
• 38:14
  I'm not because as you said, as you said, it depends who we're playing against.
• 38:18
  Because if you're playing against a full-back, let's just say on the left-hand side, I'm trying to think of one at the top of my head, but let's say a Calafiore who...
• 38:29
  who's, let's say, good 1v1, good pace, loves it when he's up against a full-back 1v1 who goes on the outside and has got a lot of pace.
• 38:38
  And I'm thinking, oof, Brennan Johnson, that's Brennan Johnson, I'm not sure.
• 38:42
  So all Brennan Johnson's strengths on that right-hand side, Calafiore's good at.
• 38:45
  What does Calafiore hate, for instance?
• 38:47
  Oh, he hates somebody playing in the pocket and he hates someone coming in onto the left foot and he hates somebody who's got close control.
• 38:52
  Then you're going, right, that's a game for Dibble and he'll give him a right goal there.
• 38:56
  So...
• 38:57
  So I think your team has to be detated to.
• 39:00
  Yeah, but only if your team is all fit and your team's raring to go and your team's up to a certain fitness, which after this game and Wednesday, you'd say, look, poof, those players that came in showed me they're thereabouts, to be honest.
• 39:13
  So especially, look, Garner's had another game.
• 39:16
  Hackney's always looked sharp.
• 39:17
  Harrison Armstrong had the night off.
• 39:19
  Dewsbury Hall.
• 39:21
  is going to start more often than not.
• 39:24
  So, yeah, I think we've... As I say, I think we've got the potential to put a good quality squad together.
• 39:33
  Might have found the gem in that Hackney.
• 39:35
  I think being brave on the ball, wanting to go forward all the time, not so much sideways, more forward, looks a player.
• 39:43
  Yeah, he certainly does.
• 39:46
  Are we happy with the draw?
• 39:47
  Newcastle, next round?
• 39:49
  At home?
• 39:52
  Tom?
• 39:54
  Eh, could have been a bit.
• 39:55
  I mean, you know, we all know we wanted Fleetwood, let's not be honest, let's not tell lies.
• 39:59
  I think Arsenal, did Arsenal get them?
• 40:01
  Of course they did, of course they did.
• 40:03
  Of course they did every time.
• 40:05
  I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm just happy we didn't get the shite because I just didn't want to see us play them just yet.
• 40:11
  I'm not ready for that yet.
• 40:12
  I'm not ready for me levels of anxiety to go to that kind of mark.
• 40:16
  And I don't need to be thinking about strangling Scousers.
• 40:20
  but yeah but they got Chelsea so hopefully they go out I wouldn't wish that on them I don't wish that on anyone you know made the best team win but I just don't want to see us play you don't wish Liverpool to go out the cup that made me sick it's not the fact that made me feel sick no because what will happen is I wish that and then they end up winning it mate just don't say nothing about them just leave them alone just let them be just leave them in the corner the manager's doing great wonderful have a great just keep doing what you're doing
• 40:49
  you're out my peripheral vision i'm not interested so yeah uh but i don't know it's just yeah newcastle are home you know it's one they're going through a bit of change aren't they and will their manager think about you know my back schemes to wall here if i if i really target a cup that's going to get me a bit of a pass
• 41:12
  because if I was a manager new manager in the league I would think to myself well I'm not going to be doing super great in the league this year but if I have a really good cup run that can kind of save me and it will save anyone whichever manager wins a cup this year I think that it's going to not all managers obviously but it could guarantee safety for a manager listen if Everton win a cup this season that is huge absolutely huge and any of the new managers coming in they win a cup it keeps them in a job I think
• 41:42
  whether that's Iriola whether that's Alonso whether that's I just think it keeps them in a job unless obviously something stupid happens like what Wigan done where they win a cup and they go down obviously that's just not happening but
• 41:55
  You know, I think the Cup could be a saviour for the number of teams this year.
• 41:59
  One thing I'm happy about is the Gaffers putting out a strong team every time we play in it.
• 42:03
  That's the most important thing for me.
• 42:04
  And it tells us, as the fans, I'm after this.
• 42:07
  I'm after it.
• 42:08
  I want it.
• 42:09
  And that's just brilliant.
• 42:10
  I'm over the moon about it.
• 42:12
  I think he put a strong team... Well, if you go and have a look at the team that got knocked out last year against Wolves away, that was a strong team, you know.
• 42:19
  So he has been trying to do that for a little bit.
• 42:21
  He has known the importance, even more so since he came back to the club.
• 42:25
  But if we are going to win a cup, you're going to have to beat some big teams, some Premier League teams along the way.
• 42:30
  You're going to have to win games.
• 42:32
  Yeah.
• 42:34
  that are close and could go either way.
• 42:37
  And the main thing you talk about is we got a home draw.
• 42:41
  Brilliant.
• 42:42
  Would we have liked to have had, say, Fleetwood at home, or I think Peterborough is still in there, or Bristol Norwich I think is still in there at the minute, although they might have a tie to play.
• 42:50
  Would you want one of them at home?
• 42:52
  Absolutely.
• 42:52
  You'd want a team from a lower division, if you can get it.
• 42:55
  But...
• 42:57
  I'd rather have Newcastle at home than Arsenal away, for instance.
• 43:02
  So you take the rough with the smooth.
• 43:04
  You take it as, this is a winnable game for us.
• 43:07
  It'll get us into, if we win this, you're in the quarterfinals of the Carabao Cup.
• 43:11
  Now, I'm not going ahead of myself because...
• 43:14
  We've done that far too many times.
• 43:15
  And every time we get ahead of ourselves and start imagining the quarterfinals and the semifinals or where we're going, we forget to actually win the game and we get knocked out.
• 43:25
  So I'm not getting ahead, but I'm saying when our draw came out, Everton at home against not one of the top four teams supposed in the country.
• 43:35
  Yeah, we'll take that.
• 43:36
  And add to it, Newcastle just got turned over massively at Leeds because Leeds played a really high sort of energetic game
• 43:43
  So yeah, away from home, Newcastle are there to be sort of got at.
• 43:47
  So yeah, happy enough.
• 43:49
  As a player, would you rather have a team slightly better at home or a team slightly lesser away as a player?
• 43:56
  So let's just say, for instance, based on last season's performances, would you rather play Newcastle at home or Brighton away?
• 44:04
  I'd rather have I'd rather have Newcastle at home I'd rather Against Against any other Against any Premier League team Any other team from the same league I'd rather be at home
• 44:15
  all day long, not least because of the, you know, the fans get to watch the home advantage, the noise we can make.
• 44:23
  It can be difficult when you're going into a game where expectation is weighing heavily to win.
• 44:28
  And if we're not winning after an hour, you can feel that the nervousness coming in from the, from the fans, which obviously we're feeling on the pitch.
• 44:36
  You don't need it to be amplified, but I always understand it.
• 44:40
  I'm a fan as well.
• 44:42
  Um,
• 44:43
  So you'd always choose a team from your own division at home.
• 44:45
  However, I used to love going away from home to the lower division teams.
• 44:50
  I used to love it.
• 44:51
  The atmospheres were really good and exciting.
• 44:54
  We knew we were better.
• 44:56
  If you just played your game and you were calm and composed and took the ball...
• 45:00
  You were more than likely going to win if you did your jobs.
• 45:03
  So I used to love those fixtures.
• 45:06
  FA Cup especially.
• 45:08
  Three o'clock in the afternoons.
• 45:09
  They were brilliant, brilliant games.
• 45:11
  But yeah, I think I'd take one at home.
• 45:14
  Which we've got, so fingers crossed.
• 45:17
  One team that didn't take advantage of their home draw was Man United.
• 45:21
  Went out to Brighton and they also didn't in the derby.
• 45:24
  He's under pressure, isn't he?
• 45:27
  He is, isn't he?
• 45:29
  He's got a fine up slip behind them, mate.
• 45:31
  He's in trouble.
• 45:32
  What did you think about the Foden incident?
• 45:34
  I want him to succeed, Michael Carrick.
• 45:37
  I really do.
• 45:39
  Yeah, so it's been tough.
• 45:40
  The Foden incident annoyed the life out of me.
• 45:44
  I think they either both stay on or they both go.
• 45:46
  Foden sort of pushes him with his shin rather than a two-footed studs.
• 45:52
  His studs never make contact with Bruno Fernandes.
• 45:55
  He just sort of...
• 45:56
  I was trying to say, talking to my kids about it, if...
• 46:00
  Foden would have ended up on his knees with his hands in the air and pushed him away with his hands.
• 46:05
  It wouldn't have been considered a red card.
• 46:06
  He ends up on his back, so he pushes him away with his legs after being booted up the backside.
• 46:11
  And that's considered a sending off.
• 46:13
  Bruno played the part, didn't he?
• 46:15
  Played the part of him, kicking somebody and then rolling around on the floor.
• 46:19
  But if anything, Bruno's was the more aggressive act.
• 46:24
  The problem is, in the Premier League, if you take them in isolation, Bruno's is probably a yellow and Foden's is probably a red that we've all come to sort of understand.
• 46:33
  But I just think that...
• 46:36
  I think the referee's...
• 46:38
  need to figure out a way, oh, it would be better if they can ref each game individually and be like, look, to Derby, they've both gone at each other, walk it off.
• 46:46
  Where the referees are so much under the law and so every decision is scrutinised.
• 46:52
  And if that isn't a red card, then the media and everybody are going, well, why isn't it compared to this, compared to this, compared to this?
• 46:58
  So the referees are having to ref each sort of decision over the course of a season rather than,
• 47:04
  old school refs being able to referee individual games in individual moments and say, shake hands, run it off, get on with it.
• 47:11
  They're not allowed to do that anymore.
• 47:12
  I'm trying to look at it because I haven't actually seen it.
• 47:14
  I'm trying to look at it.
• 47:15
  Have you not seen it?
• 47:16
  No.
• 47:18
  I'd quite like to hear your opinion on it to be fair.
• 47:21
  Trying to look at it.
• 47:22
  One of those, like the game's gone kind of moments.
• 47:24
  All of the deals have been took off X.
• 47:28
  So I can't actually see.
• 47:29
  There's a little plug for an online streaming service.
• 47:34
  I mean, it's just Twitter Aussie, you silly boy.
• 47:38
  I know.
• 47:41
  I was basically saying you were advertising an online service.
• 47:47
  Yeah, well, we'll ask Elon Musk if he wants to sponsor the pod.
• 47:50
  You were the one who took that into a place that didn't need to be there, Tom.
• 47:54
  Oh, we are.
• 47:55
  So he's kicked out.
• 47:59
  Do you think it's a kick-out?
• 48:04
  that's just silly boy silly boy well yeah put it in stills but I tell you what it looks like a kick out on the still but I don't I haven't seen it in real time so I can't really comment I could throw a good punch on a still in real life that wouldn't be a good punch even on a still you couldn't touch but on a still it would you're kidding no one may not be good yeah
• 48:26
  You couldn't fight sleep, Oz.
• 48:27
  Just behave yourself and be a whole.
• 48:28
  I'm fighting it all by myself at the minute.
• 48:31
  Furious at myself.
• 48:33
  Anyway.
• 48:34
  So, yeah, I didn't see it, so I can't really comment on that one, you know.
• 48:37
  And the VAR decision, Oz, is... What's your thoughts on that?
• 48:42
  Yeah, I've seen that.
• 48:43
  Bit of a mess.
• 48:45
  Um...
• 48:46
  To be fair, Harlan looked off...
• 48:48
  The initial incident, Harlan looked offside, didn't he?
• 48:52
  It's a mile off.
• 48:53
  I thought he looked offside.
• 48:55
  But actually, when they do the cameras and the lines, Harlan's inches on, or centimetres onside...
• 49:01
  So they got that wrong, but you have to notice that Enzo's taken part in the game, don't you?
• 49:06
  You have to realize that someone doing a diving header on the six-yard line is influencing the goalkeeper.
• 49:12
  They're in the center half.
• 49:15
  Yeah, so the goal shouldn't have stood.
• 49:18
  Do you think it's unacceptable that these mistakes are still happening?
• 49:21
  What a finish, though.
• 49:22
  Yeah, it was to be fair.
• 49:23
  Of course, look, we're humans.
• 49:26
  There's going to be human error.
• 49:28
  You say, is it acceptable that mistakes still happen?
• 49:31
  You say, well, why isn't every team that plays football perfect?
• 49:34
  Why do people make mistakes?
• 49:36
  Everybody in life makes mistakes.
• 49:38
  It's what we call human error, right?
• 49:40
  We hope it doesn't happen at the highest level, and we hope it doesn't happen in the big incidents.
• 49:44
  But every now and again, it will.
• 49:47
  There's nothing we can do about it.
• 49:49
  It's just part of...
• 49:51
  part of the game Man City fans are saying that it's retribution for the Bruno Fernandes and Marcus Rashford goal that were scored about three years back when one of them was offside and I think it was Rashford that was offside and ended up leaving it but he was definitely involved it was quite a similar incident if you want to look that one up on your on your ex Tony you might you might get still images of that we can wait five minutes yeah
• 50:21
  I'm just sick of B.A.R.
• 50:23
  and all the nonsense and the stupidness around me.
• 50:27
  It's just a joke.
• 50:28
  It's not going anywhere.
• 50:30
  I don't mind it for the majority.
• 50:31
  If it's not clear and obvious, just butt out.
• 50:34
  Just piss off.
• 50:36
  I will say that I think they've hardly joined in this year.
• 50:42
  I don't think they've joined him.
• 50:43
  The only good thing is...
• 50:45
  I think they've tried to let the game go.
• 50:46
  How many times do you think that they've stopped the game and brought it back, I would say?
• 50:49
  The only good thing is...
• 50:50
  It must be well down on last year.
• 50:52
  The best thing about it at the minute is that you pointed this out to the World Cup
• 50:58
  Excuse me.
• 50:59
  You point this out in the World Cup, the fact that referees are allowing games to be played on more.
• 51:03
  Telling players to get up off the floor and they're jumping on the floor.
• 51:06
  It happened last night in a few of our players, players going down easy and getting told to get up.
• 51:10
  I loved it.
• 51:11
  Those are brilliant.
• 51:12
  Don't get me wrong.
• 51:13
  Screaming for fouls and abusing the referee as well.
• 51:15
  because he's not given certain Everton players who jump on the floor a foul.
• 51:19
  If an Everton player jumps on the floor, just understand, referees, it is a foul.
• 51:22
  Everton don't jump on the floor.
• 51:24
  We've been thrown on the floor, we've been fouled.
• 51:26
  But if anybody else jumps on the floor, yeah, they've just jumped on the floor.
• 51:29
  And we have to understand that and we have to put that out there right away.
• 51:33
  But I am enjoying...
• 51:36
  Things like that being players being told, you know, you're not getting a free kick for that.
• 51:42
  And what's sad about it is it's took this long to kick in because it's quite clear and obvious when you see some players running into the box.
• 51:49
  The players run into the box and there's four or five players in front of them.
• 51:53
  He knows he's not getting through them.
• 51:55
  So what he does is he knocks the ball into the legs and then he just runs into the legs and jumps into them.
• 52:00
  And you see it on numerous occasions.
• 52:02
  I feel like this season now, for the first time, referees just going, not having that, mate.
• 52:07
  No, just not having it.
• 52:09
  Whereas last season or two seasons before, that's a penalty every time.
• 52:13
  Or that's a free kick every time.
• 52:14
  Because one player who's on the ball runs into another player.
• 52:17
  Deliberately, by the way, because he's on the ball, he thinks he can just run into that player.
• 52:21
  So I think the game's getting better for her.
• 52:28
  Yeah, no, it has got better.
• 52:31
  Lastly, Ipswich, they've won two Premier League games since they've came up.
• 52:37
  They beat Sunderland, they beat Crystal Palace.
• 52:39
  Yeah, they're getting a hiding on Saturday.
• 52:41
  You think?
• 52:42
  Yeah, they're getting a hiding.
• 52:43
  They're getting a good hiding.
• 52:44
  Don't say it too early, Tony.
• 52:45
  Yeah, they're getting a hiding, mate.
• 52:46
  We're emitorians, don't say it too early.
• 52:48
  I can feel it mid-bones, they're getting a good hiding.
• 52:52
  Someone needs to feel TNL Barry's rage, and I think it's going to be a touch.
• 52:56
  Yeah.
• 52:58
  Funny because we've been saying it a few times, we said that against Spurs, if we win that game, then suddenly our season looks great.
• 53:04
  And we've said it in the game before, if we win this game or don't lose this game, suddenly the season looks like we started well.
• 53:10
  But I think you just mentioned Liam, with six games unbeaten at the minute, we've got, so that'll be six points.
• 53:20
  That's a decent start.
• 53:22
  But if you lose at home to Ipswich, just before the thing, suddenly you're going, that's this point.
• 53:28
  And we win this game.
• 53:29
  Come on, you're killing me now, mate.
• 53:31
  Stop it.
• 53:32
  I'm saying it's a defining game in terms of if we win this game, we've had a brilliant start to the season.
• 53:39
  When we win this game,
• 53:40
  Yeah, look, I'm on board.
• 53:43
  I'm at the game.
• 53:44
  I'll be, well, I was going to say I'll be cheering as much as anyone, but I'm doing the commentary for it.
• 53:49
  So I'll be trying to cheer as much as anybody.
• 53:54
  So I'm looking forward to it and Everton should win the game.
• 53:57
  But...
• 53:58
  when we win the game Ipswich have Ipswich have gone to Palace and won they've they went to United and went 1-0 up and should have actually been 2-0 up they've they've they won their opening game against they've competed 2-1 we need to be we need to be weary of that we need to be aware of it I still think we've got more than enough to win the game
• 54:19
  But I'll bring us back to the history.
• 54:21
  We've got to go and beat ourselves as much as anything.
• 54:24
  We've got to go and we've got to beat ourselves in this game before we can beat them.
• 54:29
  And hopefully we'll all be behind them.
• 54:31
  Hopefully we'll be supporting, cheering, even if things go a little bit against us.
• 54:36
  We'll be right behind the team because this could be a huge win.
• 54:40
  Even though it's, you know, a newly promoted team at home, it should be.
• 54:43
  No, Premier League games aren't that easy.
• 54:44
  Premier League games are hard.
• 54:46
  So hopefully we...
• 54:48
  we play as we all know Tieno scores another hat-trick Fantastic that's the dream they're going to want to come and shut us down but I think the first 20 minutes are massively important for someone like Hipswich to come into our place first 20 minutes no big chances you know cancel us out do whatever you need to do quiet in the crowd but I just think we'll be up for it on Saturday I really do
• 55:09
  They see the guy who scored their winner last week, that Zion Fleming, the one I said we should have signed for only £20 million for a striker, which is good these days.
• 55:18
  He'd scored 12-1 for Burnley.
• 55:21
  He scored their winner at Palace last week.
• 55:24
  So I think he started midweek.
• 55:25
  I don't know whether he'll start the weekend because they've had that lad Emerson up front who's scored two already, I think.
• 55:31
  I like the wire player as well.
• 55:32
  The one to watch is Leif Davis from left-back.
• 55:36
  Are you Ipswich's scouts or something?
• 55:38
  Why don't you know all these Ipswich players?
• 55:40
  Are you Marcus Stewart in disguise?
• 55:43
  How do you know these players?
• 55:45
  Just, I do the games, don't I?
• 55:47
  Study the games and make sure I'm on it.
• 55:50
  Tell us about it.
• 55:51
  It's his job.
• 55:52
  It's his job, Liam, but he's bigging them up and it's wrong.
• 55:55
  It's his job.
• 55:57
  But Leif Davies at Ipswich, I think, was involved in all three goals.
• 56:00
  I think he scored one, I said two.
• 56:01
  So left-back is going to be our right-sided player.
• 56:06
  Right midfielder is going to give us a lot going forward.
• 56:08
  We have to, but they're also going to have to track back.
• 56:11
  That's going to be an important job.
• 56:14
  So I reckon Brennan Johnson probably... Let's hope so, Leon Ipswich, Osman.
• 56:18
  Let's hope so.
• 56:20
  We're going to give them an eye and they're getting it.
• 56:22
  They're getting us Saturday.
• 56:23
  I've had enough of this league going on with us.
• 56:25
  We're at it Saturday.
• 56:26
  We are giving them a good going over.
• 56:27
  What's the score going to be, Tony?
• 56:29
  4-1.
• 56:29
  4-1.
• 56:29
  I thought you were going to go higher than what you were talking.
• 56:33
  give them a good eye I mean listen hopefully it's 4-0 the more clean sheets we have the better Jordan Pickford needs clean sheets as much as we can possibly get just for your fantasy league team no just for him just for him you know we need him to be the most I think he's about did I say he's 6 or 8 behind Alisson so they both got over 100 in the Premier League now
• 56:55
  Yeah, but Alisson's got like 108, so we want him to get past him.
• 56:58
  Yeah, but they have, they have, you know, they're well looked after.
• 57:01
  They've been protected since that man's been there.
• 57:04
  You know what I mean?
• 57:04
  They're the most protected club in the league.
• 57:06
  So precious they are.
• 57:07
  I mean, people can't even tackle Van Dijk.
• 57:09
  They're not even allowed to go near him.
• 57:10
  If you cough near Van Dijk, you get a yellow card.
• 57:13
  So, you know, it's just, he's the most protected defender I've ever seen in my life.
• 57:17
  How many?
• 57:18
  Not one cough, two coughs.
• 57:20
  How many coughs?
• 57:21
  Not three coughs.
• 57:21
  If you sneeze near him, it's a record.
• 57:24
  You're in big trouble then.
• 57:26
  Four coughs.
• 57:27
  Five game.
• 57:28
  If you tackle him hard, if you put your studs up anywhere near Van Dyke, it could be a five game suspension.
• 57:34
  You know what I mean?
• 57:36
  people are terrified of him he's the most precious person I've seen on football they're absolutely petrified of him everyone just as great as a defender he is and he is great why is everyone scared of him go and nail him go and nail him well we used to have Beto used to do that didn't he we need Barry to we need Barry to do that now they've not started too well
• 57:58
  Might as well, as soon as we're talking about them, might as well touch on it.
• 58:01
  I mean, he didn't start well for Bournemouth either.
• 58:05
  But they've not started too well, have they?
• 58:07
  It still sits at me when he comes out and says, my players can't run for 30 minutes.
• 58:10
  Wow.
• 58:11
  Wow.
• 58:12
  Wow, that's just bought you some time.
• 58:14
  Smart boy.
• 58:15
  Clever boy.
• 58:17
  That's just bought you a whole lot of time, but...
• 58:19
  I don't know, we'll see.
• 58:22
  I'm not interested in them, I couldn't care less.
• 58:24
  I mean, I'm only interested when the baby's on the pitch, when Jaden's on the pitch, that's the only time I'm there.
• 58:28
  I'm urging for them to do well.
• 58:30
  But unless that boy's on the pitch, nope, nothing to do with me.
• 58:34
  I have no...
• 58:36
  I have no thought.
• 58:36
  Is he still there?
• 58:37
  He's not out on loan or anything at the minute?
• 58:39
  No, no.
• 58:40
  I'm sure he'll play soon enough.
• 58:42
  And when that boy does his family now, he's going to light it up.
• 58:46
  I find myself supporting him as well.
• 58:47
  Yeah, I was commentating on a game when he first came on.
• 58:51
  It was hard.
• 58:52
  You know?
• 58:54
  That was hard to support young Jane Dans whilst not wanting to support Liverpool.
• 59:00
  I know.
• 59:01
  It's tricky, isn't it?
• 59:03
  Yeah.
• 59:04
  I just wish that boy could put on a blue top.
• 59:07
  But he's a cop high through and through.
• 59:08
  That's never going to change yet.
• 59:11
  Well, we can dare the dream.
• 59:13
  Tony 4-1.
• 59:14
  Aussie.
• 59:15
  4-1, yeah.
• 59:15
  2-0.
• 59:16
  That'd be nice.
• 59:18
  2-0.
• 59:20
  I'm going for it.
• 59:21
  I think 2-0.
• 59:22
  Oz, as a footballer.
• 59:25
  You prefer 4-1 or 2-0?
• 59:30
  As an attacking midfielder... No, no, that's not what I asked, Leon.
• 59:33
  That's not what I asked as a footballer.
• 59:34
  I'm telling you, my mentality as an attacking footballer, I would like more goals.
• 59:39
  I want 4-1 because that means we've created more as a team going forward.
• 59:43
  We've done more, which is mostly my job and all that, blah, blah.
• 59:47
  but there's something good about keeping clean sheets as a team and being part of that.
• 59:51
  When I play centre midfield, yeah, there's something great about keeping clean sheets and not letting them score goals.
• 59:55
  So, to answer your question, both.
• 59:59
  What do you reckon, David?
• 1:00:01
  If David Moyes was asked, 2-0 or 4-1?
• 1:00:04
  2-0 all day long.
• 1:00:05
  2-0 all day.
• 1:00:06
  Not even close as?
• 1:00:07
  No, no, 2-0 all day, Moyes.
• 1:00:11
  He does like scoring goals, especially because...
• 1:00:14
  Again, the criticism of him is that his team don't, you know, especially at the minute, don't overly create and all of that.
• 1:00:21
  So if it showed that he scored four goals, yeah, he'd love it.
• 1:00:24
  But I think there's just something good about knowing your team can keep clean sheets.
• 1:00:28
  But going back to something you said before, when I mentioned that he's better at keeping clean sheets and scoring, you're right.
• 1:00:34
  We are playing some really nice football at the minute through the lines, getting in behind, quality play, especially through midfield, some lovely one-touch passing with just,
• 1:00:43
  need to be a little bit more clinical.
• 1:00:45
  And that's not just Ciano Barry.
• 1:00:47
  That is your Brennan Johnsons.
• 1:00:49
  That is Hackney had a chance last night.
• 1:00:51
  That is Jusby Hall that scored, but he's had a couple of more opportunities.
• 1:00:55
  So we need goals from all over the pitch.
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  We need everybody to not realise, everybody does realise the goal, but they need to step up.
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  And if we have one of those days, our football justifies us scoring a few goals in the majority of games that we play.
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  We should have scored three in spits.
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  Do you know what I find alarming and I've seen over the most recent seasons?
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  The players who play the most passes are centre-halves.
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  How mad that was.
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  When you were playing, that was never the case.
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  Centre-half weren't playing the most pass.
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  It was going through the middle every time.
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  We didn't want our centre-halves touching it most of the time.
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  No disrespect to any of those centre-halves I'm talking about.
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  But you didn't.
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  He gets his hands on you.
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  No, yeah.
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  Oh, God.
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  I'll be avoiding him for a bit.
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  But what happened was the game was played differently.
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  So, you know, back in the 90s, centre-forward stayed up front.
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  So they never got back behind the ball.
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  So centre-halves or wherever it was, we'd give the ball to midfielders.
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  And the centre-forwards of BBI and them, they never had to worry.
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  Maybe it's sneaking up on their back shoulder every now and again.
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  But so many teams now drop everybody behind the ball.
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  It's the way everyone, you know, this low block, what we just call defending deep, defending the edge of your box.
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  Everybody does that.
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  You only used to get that in the 80th minute onwards when they were defending.
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  something now your teams do it right from the very start which means there's no real room for midfielders and for you to be effective your midfielders have to go and get in between the lines in pockets and play like old school number 10s so that just means your centre-halves have to have the ball so it's just a different style of football it can be enjoyable at times it can be fun but
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  It can also be boring when we prefer to get the ball wide, get crosses into the box, get people...
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  There was a move we did in the game last night.
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  The ball got switched out through midfield, out to the left.
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  Grealish literally wanted to control it.
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  Mikkelenko went on the outside of it, played him in.
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  Mikkelenko crossed, a bit of a ricochet.
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  We nearly scored.
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  I was just quick, two-touch football, one side to the other, using the space, runners, cross.
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  We love crosses.
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  We love moving the ball.
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  Will we see it change back then, Oz?
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  No.
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  Or will it always be like this for the...
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  Eventually, yeah.
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  My worry is, I was thinking with people, teams defending as deep as they are at the minute.
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  So Moise used to always say to us, another manager used to say to us, if a team defends deep, make them.
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  If a team defends on the edge of or just inside their own penalty area, what's the point in taking 20 passes on the halfway line?
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  pop it in there and see what they can do.
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  Knock a big long ball.
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  When we had Fellaini or someone like that, knock a ball up to the edge of the box.
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  Suddenly you've bypassed two banks of, you know, two centre forwards, a midfield forward, and the two centre-halves having to defend the edge of the box.
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  One little knockdown and you're getting Gary Speed type goals all the time.
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  God bless him.
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  Those type of runs.
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  You're Tim Cahill where they landed and you're scoring.
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  Whereas at the minute, there is such a void of a big old school set of forwards or people that are physically, and there are a couple of big ones out there, but there's not enough for each team.
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  And there's certainly not enough to have the real quality ones at a decent price.
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  So you're having to find another way.
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  So if we bring those centre forwards back and we can find those physical guys, I'd be doing it all the time.
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  Get the ball wide, cross it to two big guys.
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  Imagine, for instance, Les Ferdinand and Alan Shearer, or even Shearer and Duncan Ferguson back in the day when he played for Newcastle, playing against these teams that defend on the edge of the box.
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  Imagine just popping her up to Big Dunk or Shearer on the edge of the box and them two physically dominating centre-halves.
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  The teams wouldn't be able to defend.
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  They'd have to come out and press you.
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  Two centre-halves now against one every week.
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  Exactly.
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  And the centre-four you're talking about isn't that physical.
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  They can't really match it.
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  But imagine, go back to the old school centre forwards, Shearer and Ferguson or Les Ferdinand.
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  Whether you got it wide for a cross, you'd be just crossing the ball in all the time.
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  Or you'd be just giving it to your full-backs and say, just hit it long to the D on the edge of the penalty area.
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  Them two will cause carnage.
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  Midfield runners off them.
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  You can't defend deep anymore, but they can at the minute.
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  Imagine the Viking had a striking partner.
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  Oh, my word.
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  Oh my lord.
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  He doesn't need it, by the way, but imagine... That sounds like you've already imagined it.
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  I'm putting the application in.
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  I'm happy to do it with him.
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  I'm happy to play with him.
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  Get the scout stand for game for Hove.
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  I'm telling you.
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  The difference with that is, the difference is that is that City as a team don't play like that.
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  They're one of the teams that don't.
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  But let's just say you put Haaland in our team with another centre forward, then you'd be going, we'd just play it up to him.
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  Big fella, flick-ons.
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  And even if he didn't go for the flick-on, he'd be amazing at running behind.
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  He'd be the little striker.
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  You know what I mean?
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  He is the dreamer.
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  He's the dream.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  You mentioned the game for hope.
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  Yeah.
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  Tony's playing, isn't he?
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  Yeah.
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  Game for hope coming up soon.
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  Charity event.
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  Charity event.
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  You want to just promote at the moment?
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  Gabe Hope be there or be square can't wait to take part massive really important yeah 26th of September there you go be a good family day out won't it so definitely we'll post some details actually at the bottom of the YouTube video because we're going to support them as a podcast as well I need to know where to buy a Cafu top 94 World Cup Cafu top got to get it got to turn up with it because he's there and I'm just going straight over to him come here little legs sign that
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  Just make sure, Tony, just make sure that you put a big L on your left boot and a big R on your right boot for when you go out there, all right?
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  Thanks for that.
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  I've seen you play centre-forward before.
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  Thanks for that.
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  Well, you know, we all know he's got the last free kick at Goodison Park, 89th minute against Barclays Bank.
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  What can I do?
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  can I say do you know I can't even say it about that it was some free kick you should put that on a link as well yes Liam I've got a video I'm going to send it to you of course he's got a video he's shown it me so many times put it at the end of this episode for everybody to see me thank you what a great way to end