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MHH #1405: Broncos Legend Begins Training Camp on PUP · Mile High Huddle Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Mile High Huddle Podcast with your football freeze, Chad Jensen and Zach Kilmer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, Broncos Country is not a geographical location.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a state of being.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome in everybody, the Mile High Hotel Podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host, Chad Jensen, returned from a little getaway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And with me, who's been holding it down with authority, will it stay been gone?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know him, you love him, Zach Kelberman Zach, bro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for going solo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two nights dude holding it down, doing the heavy lifting man, how to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the best community in the entire world, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I fully believe that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it always goes well, but this shows always better when we have a two host set up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm happy to have you back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guys, if you see me squinting and this, I lost my glasses on my trip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm super bummed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have to get new ones to bummer that takes time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So apologies for that if you see it, but I'm stoked to be back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Zach, we were worried.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not worried, but we basically expected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We weren't going to get really even though the rookies have already reported a training camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The veterans report tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We basically, pardon me, didn't expect to see any kind of media availability, whether Sean Peyton players tell the big back together weekend later this week, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This coming weekend, but low and behold,
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get some starting tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, pretty much every day this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to hear from coaches and players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So really for us and the dedicated whack job fans who were just like us, the season starting basically, the news stories, the hustle and bustle, the grind begins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In earnest tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mentioned that last night, these are the final winning hours of the offseason training camp is here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're on the doorstep of practice starts Friday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have the acclamation practices that are close to the public.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next couple days, but like you said, we'll get quotes from the players quotes from the coaches football seasons back baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No more aggregation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That six week dead average at is done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, making hay on that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It does get old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to tell you, Sam, bam, what's good, brother?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So good to see you tonight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for the super chat brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason you're Mount Rushmore and brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You mean a lot to us?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He says even in guys where a week closer to football season, sounds like the Broncos are pretty healthy going into training camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm off to Vegas on Wednesday for the rest of the week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll see you next Monday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that for work or for
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[SPEAKER_02]: pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're getting away for fun or probably a work thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny you say that I just came from Vegas today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So have fun there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do it be careful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a lot of ways a dude can get into hot water in Las Vegas and more more ways than one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you won't, but be careful, brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Zach, not the Broncos are pretty healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But as we learned over the last twenty four hours, the expectation is that
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[SPEAKER_02]: legendary wide receiver, A.T.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Perry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So legendary that he doesn't even have a picture in a Broncos uniform, whether it's a practice shot or a field shot, available to us in the media.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to probably start on the public, expected to what, maybe miss the first week or so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is really no surprise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the only player that's been reported.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to go on the injured list to open training camp, AT Perry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sean Peyton talked about it a couple months ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was that he might miss the first week and might linger, but then he should be ready to go after that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, piggybacking off that, there's others that avoided the, uh, entered a list, Chad, including Devon Valley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, he missed a lot of the organized, uh, team activities, voluntary practices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's good to go and, uh, A.T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perry aside from him, the team is extraordinarily healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Very encouraging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious to see how the P.J.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lock thing kind of plays out because the, the kind of surgery that he had
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I can't imagine role in the dice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, similar like Peyton Manning's neck, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We all remember that when Broncos signed him, he had undergone over the pre-seeding years, was it four neck surgeries?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had like a fusion thing puttin' his neck, the big difference between him, which PJ Locke had a spinal fusion lower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: lower back, but the big differences, Peyton Manning was really good Zach at anticipating, you know, pressure hits, this and that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He would self-sac, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He would just go up, lived to find another day and just drop because of the neck thing, whereas it's actually PJ's lock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A PJ locks jobs to make contact, be physical hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm curious to see in plus he's still only a few, I mean, he six months out from that very invasive long recovery type surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping for the best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Broncos are stoked on their top three at safety.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If PJ Locke is able to really be healthy and this was a miracle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His father last week was talking about how this has been a miracle procedure for PJ Locke, but he's best served at the big three, you know, number three safety.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's hope it happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately for him, he doesn't have to worry about shouldering starter snaps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can settle into a backup role and reaclimate back to football activities that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish him well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And another player that missed the injured list really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote about him before the, Jonah Ellis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had shoulder surgery after that Buffalo playoff game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said last month, there's still a little work that needs to be done before he gains medical clearance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that work was done because he's not going on PUP.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we should also count our lucky stars, Bonyx is healthy because he too, underwent a minor procedure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, Broncos so far so good on the health front, continuing the positive trend that has been Sean Payton's, you know, focus on player wellness, strengthening, AKA availability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pop of bear, what's good, brother?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great to see you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: David McElrath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hope you're doing well, brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for the super chat says good evening Broncos country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hashtag, thirteen and four plus plus plus plus, love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One sleep before training can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, basically Zack, it's getting going tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The pomp and circumstance will later be held with the attendance of fans over the weekend, but starts tomorrow, Big Dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The weight is basically over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, this is the last day of the offseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the last day we'll have without Broncos quotes or practice or games or any sort of football activity until hopefully February.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm as happy as you are David and thank you so much as always for your generosity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Feels good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Feels good dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've been patient boys and girls out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've
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[SPEAKER_02]: This offseason has just felt tremendously long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Boss man, Jay, what's good, bro?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the super chat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Means the world to a big dog says love the show creating a new Broncos podcast Broncos on chains Wednesdays five PM Broncos time six.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Broncos time six into tune in everyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got a
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a burgeoning podcaster in the boss man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So hey, best to luck to you on that big dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it goes well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, appreciate that boss man and best to luck with your endeavors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, some hello's here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's something I want to grab from Diablo that he mentioned earlier that'll give us plenty of plenty of conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: content, but just some quick close because you're not been away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I missed you guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: David Yonken, what's up, dude?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, A. T. Perry's been a useless player on the Broncos so far, but there is that contingent within Broncos country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's act that really is high on A. T. Perry for whatever reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, you wrote about it today in terms of the rookie stats he produced with the Saints, that super high touchdown to reception ratio that he had.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there are some intriguing things about him, but we can't get, you know, over it too far over our skis trying to make him into the next court when Sutton that he is not, at least up to this point in his career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I wrote also his development is worth watching in the Broncos pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He he's six, five or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He fits the mold of what Sean Peyton likes as a receiver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I pulled a quote from you from a previous story, Chad, that P. Carmichael was in New Orleans with Perry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also Cody Rager, the VP of Player Personnel was in New Orleans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's something to bear watching with Perry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But no one is expecting him to be a wider receiver point or wider receiver too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a pretty deep depth chart, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get after it ASAP if you want to make any headway there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Godspeed to him in terms of getting back on the field as soon as possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's up Mike Thompson and BLEX.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here to AT Party.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little slow on the uptake when I've been in a vehicle for seven hours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: William, what's up, buddy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good to see you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A bigger in in the house as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see here Rodney.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How is your buddy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: great to see you tonight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See Chang in the house.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pro-Six teen, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me find the comment I wanted to get from where to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Scott, you had it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You flashed it right before we went live and now I don't see it dude from Diablo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw earlier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, here it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Diablo, ESPN ranked our starting lineups.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Number six in the league, I think we're better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's have a look at that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, Zach, I'm just gonna like read these off to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have it as the Baltimore Ravens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is done by let's see, who did this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was, okay, multiple contributors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Baltimore Ravens, number one, Philadelphia Eagles, number two,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Detroit Lions number three, they do have a ridiculous roster buffalo bills at four Kansas City chiefs at five and then Denver Broncos at six.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to read a few things from this Zach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's kind of riff on this for a second.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is from Mike Clay again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a few little blurbs here from different guys clay and mostly clay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Walder and Shats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's start with this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the biggest strength of the starting line-ups?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They write, or I should say, clay writes, offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Quote, this was an easy call after the Broncos led the NFL in both past block and run block win rate in twenty twenty four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Denver returns all five starters from that unit, all of whom played eight hundred plus snaps, including playoffs last season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Left tackle, Garrett Bull has been, uh, powers, Wattenberg, minors, Maglinti.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Each posted a pass block win rate, well above League average, incredibly, Wattenberg ranked first, minors third, powers fourth, all ranked in the top four league wide in that category.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Close quote.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of the starting line of Zach, that's a strength according to ESPN from the outside looking in, definitely like from afar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's no shocker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know how much of a premium Sean Peyton has put on that position, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that, and I rag out national outlets a lot for not knowing their stuff when it comes to the Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm pleasantly surprised that ESPN is putting that out there for the masses, because even someone Broncos' country think the line was deficient last season when they were really truly by the definition elite in both run and past blocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, there were holes at times, but they were stout wall for Bonix and what was left of the running game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm happy he put that in there for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what's the biggest weakness, according to ESPN's, my clay, quote, wide receiver, tough to find a major concern area he writes, so we'll pick on a unit that still has something to prove.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cortland Sutton, coming off career high, anyone catches last season, is terrific, but it's yet to be seen who will emerge as a consistent target behind him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The top candidates at wide receiver, too, are twenty twenty three second round pick Marvin Mims Jr., who finished twenty twenty four strong,
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[SPEAKER_02]: but was still a part-time player, third round rookie Pat Bryant, as well as second-year players, Troy Franklin and Devon Bailey, close quote.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Zach, they see that still as a bit of a weakness for the Broncos, wide receiver, which to me, I view it as basically Broncos are flush at potential, what we need to see to kind of silence some of these misgivings is the production.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I talked about this extensively last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is legitimately the third or fourth national outlet that identified this as the biggest weakness for the Barack of something they should rectify.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said last night, if this is where they are going in a twenty twenty five, if wider receiver two or wider receiver three is their biggest weakness, then they're in a really good spot with their top fifty three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I would agree Chad, but it's tough to disagree considering how air tight they aren't top to bottom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take a quick pause from ESPN.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to finish the other two things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's worth conversation to say hi to our great Facebook community and supporters over there like Jean William in the house saying, yo, great to see the two of you who cares about AT Perry to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather see Pat Bryant ask and thou shall receive my friend because Pat Bryant is rip and roaring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's ready to prove himself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really curious to see Zach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, how he, how he hangs in year one, because Devon Bayley exceeded expectations as a seventh round rookie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was the most productive rookie season for a seventh round wide receiver since Marcus Colson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And even Troy Franklin took him a little time getting up to speed, but toward the end of the season, they started figuring some things out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So who knows, maybe Pat Bryant hits the ground running even faster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little interesting, ESPN and that same piece did the projected starting lineups, and the Brockett's top three receivers were Cortland Sutton, Marvin Mims, and Pat Bride, not Valey, not Franklin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was PB, and I could honestly see that from the snippets and the videos and the reports that came out of voluntary OTAs and mandatory practices, Pat Bride was acclimating pretty quickly, whereas Devonne Valey, as I mentioned earlier, he was behind the A-ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He missed those same practices and we don't really know what was going on with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's healthy now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We suppose, but Pat Bryan got the leg up at least early on in the offseason program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well said, Ralph, what's up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got the brace girdles in full effect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to know, thank you buddy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good to see you by the way, Ralph.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Has Jaday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said it wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zaday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baron solidified his number because that's the jersey I want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As far as I've seen, he's still number twelve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we got him signed up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's locked in the Broncos have him signed on the line that is dotted along with Argy Harvey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys know by now it's a little bit old news.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But up to this point, no movement on the number.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would wait.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's how long I would wait Ralph when the final cuts come at the end of training camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like first week is September.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See what his number is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it remains twelve, it's probably going to remain twelve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't shock me if it changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Baron does want to change it, but there's not a lot of numbers available right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There will be way more when final cuts roll around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just hang tight, Ralph.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't have, yeah, he didn't, I should say he didn't sound too enthusiastic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of made it sound like an rookie camp's act that, you know, that's kind of the number that gave me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm making the best of it for now, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Ralph, so good to see your buddy, Phil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: down in Tucson, proving the Broncos country, not a geographic location, baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: State of being, he says, good evening, Chad Zach, and he can Scott, do we have four or five running backs this season?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hashtag Buckeham, M.H.H.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for life, Broncos for life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great question, Phil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think, Zach?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you also have to kind of factor in on the roster math, the whole fullback thing with Michael Burton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like we've answered this over the course of the offseason like three or four times and every single time I've said, are we counting Burton in that running back room?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Regardless though, the top, I mean, obviously Harvey and Dobbins are locks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Estime is gonna make it and I think McLaughlin makes it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So four in a full back is my prediction, Phil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to remember here real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pulling it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First look at the twenty twenty four initial roster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this was the out of camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They kept four backs, not counting because remember they did wave Michael Burton in the final cuts and then like recind him to the squad to the practice squad later that week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they kept four out of camp last year and it would not surprise me, Zach, if they do the same thing this year, including with Michael Burton waving him early on, probably won't get claimed and then signing back to the practice squad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: keep in there until they max out all of his elevations, then sign them to the active roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll take it to step further.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Dobbins Harvey, S.D.
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[SPEAKER_01]: May and McLaughlin, make the fifty-three, and that leaves Watson in the day off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the day returns on the practice squad chat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: George Fox, and by the way, again, Phil, thank you, brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great to see you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've missed you guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: George Fox says, what are your predictions on the season?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking, twelve and five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go Broncos, Broncos, for life, and it's just for life.
18:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Hit the thumbs up.
18:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, George.
18:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate the support, big dog.
18:10
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of twelve and five, Zach?
18:13
[SPEAKER_01]: They had to write about where my sweet spot is for the ceiling.
18:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be too homerific.
18:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think the ceiling last year was the floor this year.
18:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So ten and seven will be the bare minimum, I'd expect.
18:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Twelve and five, thirteen and four, maybe if all the stars align, they stay healthy for another year.
18:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But twelve and five is absolutely doable, George.
18:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, if the things come together, the way the Broncos
18:37
[SPEAKER_02]: moved the pieces the way they want it to come together like the free agent guys they brought in who are huge impact guys when they're healthy if they stay healthy you know you're already being projected as a first number one defense
18:51
[SPEAKER_02]: bonus and ascending player, going to take some steps in year two, more comfortable with Sean Payton's scheme, more comfortable with NFL speed of the game.
19:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I should say Sean Payton's playbook, the whole nine yards, right?
19:03
[SPEAKER_02]: If all those little boxes get ticked, like Zack said, we could be looking at a thirteen win team.
19:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think twelve and five is is off the reservation.
19:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm saying not what I want to see what I expect to see last year, they outkick their coverage a little bit kind of whistled past the graveyard in the best sense.
19:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I love that, right?
19:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Five and a half wins on the over under that the odds makers set Sean Peyton laughed at that out of the gates.
19:28
[SPEAKER_02]: They obliterated that
19:30
[SPEAKER_02]: and made the playoffs snap the street ten wins.
19:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's still a young-ish roster.
19:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And even though this is year three of Sean Payton's act, as a team, they're still in the process of relearning how to win.
19:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think last year set the stage in the building blocks and that was a good kind of learning experience that gives me reason for optimism and hope and confidence actually in another double-digit win season.
19:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I think ten wins I'll agree with you is the floor.
20:00
[SPEAKER_02]: But twelve and five, I don't think it's outside the bounds of the plausible.
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they won ten games last year, made the playoffs, Ricky quarterback, all that with a much demonstrably worse roster chat.
20:11
[SPEAKER_01]: They've added to it with a plum every single weakness was satisfied this offseason.
20:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So as long as every one of their additions doesn't bomb, how do you not expect them to not win, you know, ten or eleven games at minimum?
20:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So, rock jumping in, what is up, bro?
20:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So, in good evening, Chad and Zach, on the Mile High Hotel Podcast, go Broncos with some stars, dude.
20:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, pal.
20:32
[SPEAKER_02]: So, good to see the mayor of the MHH community on Facebook.
20:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, no slouch on X, the rock, very active on X. A Shilohish, what's up, dude?
20:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Great to see ya.
20:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the super chat, my brother.
20:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Were there any details of Bone X's passing camp with the receivers?
20:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a good point.
20:51
[SPEAKER_02]: We kind of,
20:52
[SPEAKER_02]: touched on it.
20:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it was.
20:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe two.
20:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Three weeks ago like, hey, man, they're running out of runway to do this thing.
20:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder, maybe this year's exactly just kind of all had an understanding.
21:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's not go posting on Instagram and stay off X and let's just kind of stay about our business.
21:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
21:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't recall reading a dat gum thing.
21:12
[SPEAKER_01]: There was actually an article about it today.
21:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty sure it was my class of night news, but Nick's hosted teammates, including Adam Troutman in Idaho for player lead practices from June, sixteenth through eighteenth.
21:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wrote to it.
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It happened to live on it.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And it happened in the quiet of darkness chat.
21:33
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't hear word one about that.
21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So props to bone X. They could concentrate and happy.
21:37
[SPEAKER_02]: John Payton's rubbing off chip off the old block dude, you know.
21:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Fort Knox on everything that happens.
21:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's interesting to me because last year with the Stitham-led camp right because he was the veteran incumbent in all this.
21:53
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw a few little posts come out right.
21:56
[SPEAKER_02]: They posted a little bit around it, but bone X. He's being a little bit more obedient to daddy's expectation, you know what I'm saying?
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting too, Chad, as I write here, I've just read in the article, the Broncos wrapped up their offseason program on June, twelfth.
22:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Forties later, Bodex, we're organizing a passing camp in Idaho.
22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Forty, no vacation, no time off right back into football.
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you not love TenMeth?
22:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Excellent point, dude.
22:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
22:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to segue.
22:24
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll come back to the chat here in a second.
22:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to finish up this ESPN thing because it's fun.
22:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So we talked about biggest strength, Broncos ranking, starting lineups, six in the NFL and the ESPNs.
22:37
[SPEAKER_02]: rankings, biggest strength, old line, biggest weakness, wide receiver, what about the X factor for twenty twenty five?
22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Walder, what's his first name?
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Seth.
22:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Seth, thank you.
22:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He writes, MIMS might claim alluded to it as he recorded a very efficient MIMS, two point eight yards per route run last season, but that was only on one hundred and eighty two routes.
23:03
[SPEAKER_02]: More importantly, twenty of memes is fifty two targets were screens.
23:08
[SPEAKER_02]: If memes could become a more reliable, traditional receiver and maintain a reasonably high efficiency, it would help solve the aforementioned wide receiver weakness.
23:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's quote.
23:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the X factor.
23:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do agree with them that, you know, that's the primary X factor.
23:25
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're to find another X factors on offense, I'd throw in Evan Ingraham.
23:30
[SPEAKER_02]: how well is he going to fit in out of the gates?
23:33
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, is this another hit the ground running situation?
23:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to take a little time because if it is a hit the ground running situation, Zach, boy, oh boy, that Broncos offense could could be a juggernaut possibly earlier than people think.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And then also just how it's going to shape up in the the running back rotation, the one, two punch, Harvey, Dobbins, all that.
23:53
[SPEAKER_02]: But your thoughts on memes, what wall to wrote.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the first time we've heard this either.
23:58
[SPEAKER_01]: ESPN said that Marvin Mims was a couple weeks ago, a month ago, or whatever, that Mims was one of the best luxury players in the NFL.
24:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
24:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Best gadget players in the NFL.
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And in their own projections, Chad, in that article, they have Mims taking one of the starting receiver spots.
24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I expect to happen to.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Sean Payton's going to continue building off what he showed last year.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: That Cincinnati game was unbelievable.
24:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of Mims' breakout party.
24:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he can be a long-term legitimate water receiver too in this offense.
24:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Well said, I think they ranked him ESPN as the number one gadget player in the NFL.
24:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So he, as they, as it really illustrates well, a Walder here,
24:43
[SPEAKER_02]: He only ran a hundred and eighty two routes and twenty of his fifty two targets were screens.
24:48
[SPEAKER_02]: That's quite conspicuous but we also know how much that because that's kind of speaks a lot more to how he was being used weeks one through ten or I should say weeks one
25:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'll say weeks one through ten moving down the stretch though.
25:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He ran a lot more routes within the passing scheme downfield vertical and Broncos had a lot of success with that.
25:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's some momentum there.
25:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there was enough there hopefully anyway for there to have established some chemistry and trust a little bit, especially those that catch you may do in Cleveland that tied the game late, right, that gave Sean Peyton the opportunity to go for two and win it.
25:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Also that catch down the down the seam.
25:30
[SPEAKER_02]: for whatever it was, ninety yard touchdown against the Browns.
25:34
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a wide receiver, trying to earn the trust of your quarterback, a young quarterback, that's a good way to get it done.
25:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Marvin Mims.
25:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Zach, we'll see.
25:43
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see just how much that momentum down the stretch translates into twenty twenty five.
25:48
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a good point you made because there was a stretch last season in early in the year when the Broncos kind of pulled the offense back.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: They played near the line of scrimmage.
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So Marvin Mims was being held back from his full potential.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And then later in the year, Marvin Mims was taking running backs and apps Chad because they didn't have any capable running backs.
26:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So why if you take the training wheels off and let Mims realize his full potential, you have a legit game breaker there.
26:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, last thing here, and then we'll go off the ESPN deal, because I'm still off on a Chrome tab.
26:17
[SPEAKER_02]: non-starter so who is the non-starter remember this is about ranking the starting lineup so who is the non-starter to know for the Broncos according to Aaron Schatz that would be
26:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Outside Linebacker, Jonah Ellis.
26:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Ellis was third he writes among rookies with five sacks last season and he was incredible with the run game, tackling ball carriers after an average gain of just one point eight yards.
26:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He's versatile with the ability to move inside to rush on passing downs or drop into coverage from the outside.
26:52
[SPEAKER_02]: There is some question about when he'll be available, and he's recovering from a broken scapula.
26:57
[SPEAKER_02]: in that wild card loss to the bills and how much that might cost him some of training camp close quote.
27:03
[SPEAKER_02]: But Zach doesn't seem like he's going to be on the egg shells list to open things up.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we were talking about to start the pot.
27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Jonah Ellis will not be going on PUP as far as we know as of today.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So that shoulder did heal up and it's surprising in a sense because it made it seem like he might be a candidate.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He said there's a little more work that needs to be done.
27:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This was last month.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's progressed to a point where the Broncos feel comfortable.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And I agree with their ISPN's assessment as well.
27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time he was on the field, he was displaying his motor.
27:32
[SPEAKER_01]: He was around the football.
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: He was doing something productive and positive for the Broncos defense.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he's your third pass rusher behind Cooper and Benito, you're going to get spot on defense.
27:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Greg Smith, great to see you buddy.
27:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Good evening, back at you.
27:47
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's saying good evening, Broncos country Broncos for life.
27:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it dude.
27:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Great to see you.
27:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Rodney Garcia say, and I'm excited for Trent Scherfield getting some special team reps this season.
27:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, these are the six maniacs that are just like us cut from the same cloth already day dreaming about the special teams guy.
28:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
28:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that dude, but it's going to be fun to see how Scherfield fits in on both special teams and if you can make a dent in the wide receiver depth chart.
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And for all you AT Perry fans out there, that's going to be the roadblock keeping Perry potentially from the fifty three.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure feel it's going to make a chat solely on the special teams prowess alone.
28:25
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they signed them.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm interested to see Rodney how he benefits the third side of the ball.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Good point.
28:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanna give some props to our friend down in Oz.
28:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Glenn Ashley, what's up, buddy?
28:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Good to see ya.
28:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the future, right?
28:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Tuesday where he is.
28:41
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, good morning, Chad Zach, and Deacon Scott, Broncos Country.
28:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Not far away from the opener now.
28:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish Ed could hit fast forward.
28:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Hashtag, let's freaking go.
28:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And all the appropriate emojis hashtag state of being dude.
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're getting closer, buddy.
28:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope you're doing well.
29:00
[SPEAKER_02]: great to see you tonight.
29:01
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have here jumping in on super chat.
29:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes by many monitors because such is the way it works often times that with legendary figures nicknames abound and the GLP as I sometimes call this man or he is known as Gary Palmer.
29:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps some people call him Mr. Palmer, but he is, in fact, a Mount Rushmore permanent super chat superstar here at MHH and it's great to see you, brother.
29:34
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, hi, Chad and Zach, even though I think a twelve win season is probable this season has the potential to be historic.
29:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Go, Bob Broncos, Zach, what do you think?
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, thank you so much, Gary, everything Chad said is absolutely correct.
29:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know the context of historical here, but I saw graphic.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the first time the Broncos have a returning quarterback and head coach since, since, twenty, fourteen.
30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty insane, Chad.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: That's history in itself to me.
30:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't that blow your mind?
30:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It's insane.
30:05
[SPEAKER_02]: We're John Fox and Peyton Manning.
30:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the last time before this season that the Broncos had even that level of modest
30:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Not just the ability, but competency, right?
30:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Like organizational stability and competency.
30:22
[SPEAKER_02]: And back then, you had kind of a, I thought it was a pretty good fit overall, but Fox just couldn't get over the hump.
30:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And the clock was a tick-in-dude.
30:34
[SPEAKER_02]: The clock was tick-in.
30:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And thank God, John L. Way, made the decision to inform John Fox that they're gonna,
30:42
[SPEAKER_02]: agreed to part ways.
30:44
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to part ways, uh, amicably, you're dismissed, but bringing in Gary Kubiak at the eleventh hour to, uh, basically Zack salvage the at that point, whatever it was, fifty million dollars.
30:58
[SPEAKER_02]: The Broncos had invested in the in the Peyton Manning.
31:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, contract and make a make one one last run.
31:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He had two more years left on his deal when Kubiak arrived, but you don't know how long he was going to last and it turns out.
31:12
[SPEAKER_02]: that was the year that it started falling apart for Peyton in terms of physically, like just breaking down.
31:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you recall, dude, Peyton Manning went through some pretty gnarly changes.
31:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Gary Kubiak's scheme.
31:23
[SPEAKER_02]: He was unbending.
31:24
[SPEAKER_02]: It was going to be his scheme, not the Peyton Manning scheme.
31:27
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing he really bent on was he gave him the pistol.
31:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember the shotgun pistol?
31:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Looks the weirdest thing.
31:34
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, I'm on a little bit of a tangent here.
31:37
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I'm glad you brought that up, Zach, because it really is.
31:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It emblematic of the just that window of incompetency, how it took eleven years to return a head coach and quarterback duo.
31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: continuity is so nice.
31:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It really works wonders in an organization when you have the right pieces in place.
31:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say thank God for the New Orleans Saints making Sean Peyton available for trade, because without Sean Peyton Denver, there's no bonus in Denver.
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no sweeping changes.
32:09
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no playoff appearance.
32:10
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no cultural, you know, cultural difference.
32:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's still the same.
32:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still mired in that desert.
32:16
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still complaining about losing seasons.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Brock was not getting it right.
32:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that we're on the upswing now is amazing.
32:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Feels good, baby.
32:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Lee Roy, great to see you, my friend.
32:26
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, good evening, priests on Facebook.
32:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Says, I'm hyped about the start of training camp and I'm ready for this season.
32:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Bonus is gonna light it up this year.
32:35
[SPEAKER_02]: The defense of all parties are healthy and are going to be dominant.
32:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Hashtag, buckham and go Broncos.
32:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Well said, dude, this again, if you get Hufanga and Greenlaw Healthy for a good chunk of the season,
32:51
[SPEAKER_02]: formidable to fearsome, you know, keep opposing offensive coordinators and coaches and all that all the whole staff, the quarterbacks up at night because you're returning the entirety of the league leading front seven in terms of sex.
33:09
[SPEAKER_02]: That alone is like, that dumb.
33:10
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to have a plan for these boys.
33:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you got the defense at Raining defense, a player of the year at corner back.
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: You drafted arguably the best corner back in the class.
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what becomes of Travis Hunter, but we'll say in his case the reigning Jim Thorpe Award winner in Zaday Barron, Riley Moss, if he can get a little help from the injury bug himself, upgrades though safety, linebacker, Alex Singleton returning, the stars are aligning.
33:38
[SPEAKER_02]: We just need a little bit at luck with the injury bug.
33:41
[SPEAKER_02]: We need that to keep going and I think it will for the most part.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: In hindsight, I don't think a lot of what the Broncos did would be sustainable for another year, succeeding on offense with no running game or a tight end to speak of, succeeding on defense without a true inside lineback or another safety opposite Brandon Jones.
33:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we would be predicting twelve wins if the Broncos didn't make the moves to add to the roster like they did, but they did, and that's why we're saying if there's a natural bit of regression from the returning players, the addition
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: The boost of the new players should offset that.
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't see why Lee Roy, to the previous comment, the Broncos can go twelve and five if the stars align and they stay healthy.
34:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Peter Johnson says could Peyton use Atkins as a full back and tight end to potentially keep four running backs on the roster.
34:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Zach, what do you think of this potential arithmetic?
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he could, but Peter, we all know that Sean Peyton is extremely loyal to his guys.
34:43
[SPEAKER_01]: See, little Jordan Humphrey last season, for example, and Michael Burton at fullback happens to be one of his guys.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I would prefer Nate Adkins pull double duty if Adkins is going to be on the fifty three chat.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not, then might as well keep Michael Burton around for fullback or not to play a fullback at all.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll see how the world will see last for another season.
35:03
[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt, dude.
35:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what's up, you're me.
35:08
[SPEAKER_02]: You are in the building.
35:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Great to see you pal.
35:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just trying to get some a few folks who maybe we haven't called on tonight.
35:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this man right here.
35:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Talk about Mount Rushmore superstar Taylor Christensen in the hezy.
35:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, pal.
35:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So good to see you.
35:30
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, who do you think could be a surprise cut amongst the defensive backs?
35:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what are we, are we really going to be surprised at when Demari Mathis gets cut?
35:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the surface fans, right?
35:43
[SPEAKER_02]: The guys who, the people who aren't paying attention throughout an off season,
35:48
[SPEAKER_02]: don't really follow salary cap ramifications, the ins and outs.
35:53
[SPEAKER_02]: They might be surprised when mathists get shown the door, but we won't.
35:59
[SPEAKER_02]: What's someone else that you could offer up for Taylor?
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: There's really only two that I can think of, Chad, a McMillian, the nickel back because they have Rally Moss.
36:08
[SPEAKER_01]: They drafted Baron.
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You have PS-II, obviously.
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He might be expendable.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Although interestingly enough, ESPN projected him as a starter over Moss for the defense this season.
36:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other one is PJ Lockett safety, who we talked about.
36:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the Broncos are gonna caught him after he underwent that spinal surgery.
36:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But if he did, again, the cap savings would be north of three million dollars for a backup.
36:30
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be the only surprise in the secondary.
36:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well said, Phil, guys, red and article in the Denver Post stating that the belief that we have five players on the roster bubble, Lake Watson, Alex Forsyth, Jordan Jackson, Lucas Crowle, Desmarie Mathis, your thoughts.
36:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Blake Watson, absolutely.
36:51
[SPEAKER_02]: He's, I mean, unless he all the sudden turns into Barry Sanders, he's got a bleak outlook.
36:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Alex Forsyth, no, I don't think so.
37:00
[SPEAKER_02]: However, on one hand,
37:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll qualify that.
37:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll believe it when I see it.
37:07
[SPEAKER_02]: But they did bring in some really accomplished interior guys in the undrafted ranks this year, including Clay Webb.
37:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And so foresight doesn't come in and sing for his supper.
37:19
[SPEAKER_02]: It could happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I won't totally put it outside the bounds of the plausible, but we know that Sean Peyton drafted foresight late round, obviously, but and not only that trust him, like
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[SPEAKER_02]: has leaned on him in a few different instances, but not the least of which was Intel on Bonyx, Jordan Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is there anybody new to the defensive line this off season, Zach?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Savion Jones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why Jordan Jackson, most definitely, but you know, is on the bubble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You also have, uh, who was a reke challenging a recent still George Peyton, fourth round draft pick and Matt Henningson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Crow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Math is we've already covered, but those are my thoughts just real quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about use that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if Forsyth didn't have the Oregon connection that you alluded to, would he still be on the roster after his screw-up last season?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And after a little walk, you know, to beat him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Chad, Wattenberg, being a fifth round pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, all these guys feel I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all expendable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all jags.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I maybe Jackson, if only because like Chad said, the defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about it last night behind BJ Jones, and I guess safety on Joe, they are so
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they need any able body they can get and they like Jackson from his days and air force.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he wasn't very good last year for what it's worth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he wasn't very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's kind of a just a warm body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to make him sound too minimal, but Ed Keating, what's up, dude?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're all doing good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great to see you, pal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hope you're doing well.
38:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, uh, eighteen days till the first preseason game, forty seven more till the first regular season game man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Broncos football so close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can't contain my excitement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're right there with you, but uh Rodney Garcia says I heard that will levices out for the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Meaning cam word is going to be thrown to the wolf's week one against the Rocky Mountain Crush defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zach, I've been very unplugged this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that counts today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I've literally been gone till about ten minutes before we went live.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What have you heard on this front?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to be honest, I heard it nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently I missed it this morning, but Adam Schefter reported that we'll let this will be undergoing season ending surgery on the right shoulder injury he sustained early last year before further aggravating it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's
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[SPEAKER_01]: really tend to seize problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I won't read much more than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Cam Ward Rodney was going to get thrown to the wolves regardless of will levices status.
39:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about it last night, too, Chad, and I said, this shouldn't be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know anything can happen in the NFL any given Sunday, but this should not at all be a close game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This game should be over by halftime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're being honest with ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a bummer for loves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the writing was on the wall for him the second day, drafted word number one overall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, why are you waiting till now to undergo that procedure?
40:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what incompetence or bad advice were they getting there?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, boss man, Jay, we'll take a few more guys.
40:29
[SPEAKER_02]: We're about forty minutes in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing okay on time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you have any burning topics, questions, super chats, get them in and we will most certainly get to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Boss man says, but day is an absolute beast.
40:43
[SPEAKER_02]: He was hurt.
40:44
[SPEAKER_02]: but on his eleven carries, he averaged seven point eight yards per.
40:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was looking good for him, dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure I would say he's a beast, but compared Zack to what the Broncos had last year, like in terms of the field of backs in that room, it was looking like he might offer up the most daylight hope of optimism for the Broncos to field us somewhat threatening ground attack that could provide some explosives, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: and it's such a bummer he got hurt when he did it's it actually reminds me totally different reasons obviously but it reminds me very much of how of the Chad Kelly situation where Kelly was literally dude one two weeks away from being given the starting job because the case kingdom experiment didn't work and it goes and gets himself arrested and cut
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the case of Bade it, it was nothing of his own doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just got hurt and badly hurt at the penultimate worst moment when the Broncos were given him his shot.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You're absolutely right, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like a recent sea bias because the other Broncos running backs were so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We would have settled for any sort of explosiveness.
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he looked like he was fitting that part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the yards per carry thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he had a forty three yard run or whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of skewed those numbers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I promise to be once you watch Dobbins or Harvey and the Broncos running game this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and watch what they did last year, you'll see that we were just all settling and we shouldn't settle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should want elite running back play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we're going to get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not going to be perfect out of the gates with RJ, but that wiggle that twitch and most importantly, the explosion dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, once the last time we had in Denver, a genuinely explosive player, I would running back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say Zach rookie year Javante was modestly explosive.
42:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not talking like, you know, off the charts, but he adds some explosion to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Melvin Gordon, no.
42:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to go in my opinion, all the way back to Phillip Lindsay circa twenty eighteen for that bonafide threat.
42:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, teams were on the freight of Phillip Lindsay in terms of like, even though the Broncos used him as a between the tackles guy, that didn't scare him so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's if he got past the first level, he gone.
43:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, he's out of there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he might have that finally again.
43:09
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's grab Jeff Beahier.
43:10
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, I think tight end.
43:12
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we were talking about earlier, ESPN going over the starting lineups, ranking the Broncos sixth in the NFL, said their weakness was wide receiver.
43:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff is saying, I think tight end is still a weakness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Evan Ingraham goes down, we're screwed like last year.
43:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Zach, I'm sorry to say, I wasn't able to listen to or watch because of my traveling.
43:36
[SPEAKER_02]: The show last night, I know you talked about the Noah fan sitch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think the Broncos should check him out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I've leaned towards it.
43:46
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because Noah fan is what he always was, Chad, and that's three yards and fall down.
43:51
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no explosiveness.
43:52
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no wiggle.
43:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not overly elite in the run blocking game.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And you already have your bonafide starter there.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And also Sean Peyton loves Adam Trauma.
44:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he's going to move off him so fast for someone the Brock was got rid of and the Russell Wilson deal.
44:06
[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the thing with Ingram.
44:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We could say this about anyone by the way.
44:08
[SPEAKER_01]: If Bo Nix, God forbid a billion times goes down, the Brock will be screwed too.
44:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Ingram only played nine games last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at his stats though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was seventeen the year before, seventeen the year before that, fifteen, sixteen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been pretty healthy throughout his career.
44:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not too worried and also with the Broncos medical staff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should even put that out there, honestly.
44:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I'm not seeing go out and throw him ton of money at no event, but he's only twenty seven still.
44:39
[SPEAKER_02]: He was, in my opinion, underutilized and not really used the right way during his time in Seattle.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a numbers based assertion here, Zach, but as an example, his first year in the NFL, catching passes from the likes of Joe Flacco, Brandon Allen, and a rookie Drew Lock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had six, six targets, okay.
45:02
[SPEAKER_02]: The next year, twenty, twenty, a lot of quarterback instability because Drew Lock got hurt.
45:08
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... it was just a crap show of a season sixty two receptions on ninety three targets in a second year ninety three targets
45:17
[SPEAKER_02]: followed that up with Teddy Bridgewater and a little bit of Drew Lock, the following season, ninety targets again in Seattle, his high, he had, he was there for three seasons, sixty three targets, forty three targets.
45:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, that season that he had forty three targets, career low, he started all, seventeen games.
45:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And then last year, sixty four targets.
45:38
[SPEAKER_02]: My point is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's still some tread there.
45:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And in a system like Sean Patons where similar to Evan Ingraham where we're going look, we know, yeah, there might be some times you're going to ask him to crack block and do little things to
45:53
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, interrupt the guy's momentum.
45:55
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not necessarily asking him to get up all squared and stop a dude.
45:59
[SPEAKER_02]: If you approach it the same way with no offense.
46:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you a guy like no offense in the Sean Peyton scheme with a quarterback like Bonyx could make a lot of hay.
46:09
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not saying because you have evidence room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying go out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and throw the checkbook at no a fan and plus there is the, you know, uh, X's type of thing.
46:19
[SPEAKER_02]: It's highly improbable.
46:20
[SPEAKER_02]: He comes back.
46:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would kick tires at the very least out of least column and see, hey, yo, what will it take?
46:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my thing.
46:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy the Broncos wouldn't have to rely on Noah fan as tight end one.
46:33
[SPEAKER_01]: He becoming back as a backup.
46:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But if it's going to take away the development or hinder the development of Caleb Loner, for example, or Lucas Crow, or any of the younger players they have, I prioritize that the unknown.
46:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see what they have in these players because we don't know yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know what Noah fan is, Chad.
46:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're looking, it may be get incrementally better for twenty twenty five, bring fan aboard and cut out and travel.
46:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess, but if you want to plan for the future and plan for a life after Evan Ingraham, you've got to work that next high end in the pipeline, whether that's loner or whoever.
47:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Hear me out on this one last point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No a fan.
47:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a reason it's a first round pick, right?
47:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Four five speed is a tight end.
47:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And we saw that immediately as a rookie.
47:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys remember in twenty nineteen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: True lock, one of those big wins you'd go in four and one, he had that ADR touchdown pass to Fant against the Texans, which was just a quick catch on the sideline made a guy miss and just turned on the jets down the sideline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That speed, but he's never unfortunately, he's never been blessed to play in a situation where he's got a top offensive mind.
47:45
[SPEAKER_02]: like linked spiritually to a top quarterback.
47:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to see what kind of hay he would make, but they did trade him.
47:53
[SPEAKER_02]: In this case, those act they didn't cut him.
47:56
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a trade.
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he did get a new contract in Seattle.
48:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I was no a fan if I'd have any bad blood toward the Broncos.
48:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I would kick tires.
48:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear you though.
48:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to protect the possible development of the younger guys, but no fan is still young dude.
48:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Devon Valey came to the league last year as a rookie at the age.
48:18
[SPEAKER_02]: No fan is tough day.
48:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would I would kick tires and at least check what it would take to maybe bring him back.
48:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the one thing we can agree on is he'd be an upgrade over Adam Troutman, at least as a pass catcher.
48:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We can debate the run blocking prowess.
48:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like Adam Troutman in his role.
48:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I have an or no a fan can help and it'd be close to that minimum, not break the bank.
48:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree kick tires.
48:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Jeff, thanks.
48:43
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a fun little tangent we went on talking about tight ends.
48:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Greg, I appreciate what you're trying to say pal about the Washington commanders, but we don't get into
48:56
[SPEAKER_02]: anything remotely that even hint like hints at or slightly touches on politics in any way shape or form.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Scott queries is three million as a backup fans best offer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thirty one teams are in play here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But no offense on that Greg.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to bring that one up, but it's it's I understand why you're why you're broaching the subject.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a rock brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for the support night in night out and it always continues off outside the streams tagging us on x commenting on the articles reposting and read I guess that's what it's called now reposting not retweeting we appreciate your brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zach's got a few messages for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, some quick hitters real quick on the way out the door, Zach.
50:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Bob says the Titans will not score a touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rodney wants to know, Zach, who do you guys see winning?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bone X versus that Jayden Daniels matchup Broncos commanders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I could be the game of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Legitimally, prime time, Sunday night, Bo vs. Jaden, two of the best upcoming teams in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to ride with the Broncos and my boy, Bo, but it's going to be hard fought.
51:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be easy by any means.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's on the road.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's in their house, but Bonax is going to be fired up for that trust.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want it to be Bonax.
51:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to be the Broncos, but the commanders are no joke, dude.
51:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And we obviously know Jane Daniels is no joke, but I'm, I'm Aaron on the side of Bonix as well.
51:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, let me see here, just because of that defense, dude, too, he's got, you know, like, Bonix is coming with an army.
51:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, riding would grab the no-of-fant thing pal, so hopefully you caught that.
51:59
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one more, where do I say, oh, I want to grab this from it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will be at the Titans game and the Giants game sick dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can't wait to see you all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The MHH meet and greet is going to be that week seven game against the Giants October.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nineteenth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be so fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, I can't wait to see you all and celebrate a big win against the Giants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love it dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a gas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we have really
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[SPEAKER_02]: touched on all the main topics for tonight and even though you and I podcast wise are off until Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got a busy couple of two three days four days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, from here on out, we're pretty much busy and I cannot wait in terms of like no more scouring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the internet for ideas, you know, aggregation, oh, dude, it's like the real thing is returning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And looking forward to seeing you on Thursday night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody have a great week to have a great start to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see a Thursday to get ready for the start of training camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first practice opened to fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take care and as always,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go Broncos.