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- 0:44S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:49S1: and crew.
- 0:50S5: I gotta tell you, I took a peek to see
- 0:53S5: what the score was before I went up to preach.
- 0:56S5: I just had to do it. So I took a
- 1:00S5: peek and there it was. Overtime win, 2 to 1.
- 1:04S2: That's insane.
- 1:06S5: Man. USA. USA. I know we got some friends in
- 1:11S5: Canada here this morning.
- 1:12S2: Oh for sure.
- 1:12S5: We love you guys, but.
- 1:14S2: You gotta celebrate. You got the Olympic gold?
- 1:16S3: Of course you gold back.
- 1:18S5: 46 years to the day of the Miracle on Ice.
- 1:21S3: Oh, was.
- 1:22S5: It to the day?
- 1:23S3: Oh, I didn't get that.
- 1:24S5: Part of the Miracle on Ice. And the the storylines
- 1:28S5: in there are just enormous.
- 1:30S2: I did not realize the the last time the US
- 1:33S2: won the Olympic gold for hockey. Men's hockey was in 1980.
- 1:38S2: I knew the Miracle on Ice, but I didn't realize
- 1:40S2: that was the last time they won the gold.
- 1:41S5: Yeah, I'm not sure I did either. Yeah. And they, I,
- 1:45S5: I don't know that we've we haven't had any chill
- 1:47S5: players in all the Olympics. I think sometimes they just
- 1:52S5: keep trucking and they didn't let them into the Olympics.
- 1:55S5: But man did this create some.
- 1:58S6: And that poor kid would. Jack Hughes was his name.
- 2:01S5: Oh, yeah. Got his teeth busted.
- 2:03S6: He was toothless.
- 2:03S2: At the end of the game.
- 2:04S6: And he's talking to the press conference.
- 2:06S5: Blood's coming out of his mouth. Yeah, and you gotta
- 2:10S5: love that.
- 2:10S2: Hockey players are something different, man, in terms of sustaining
- 2:13S2: injury and then just continuing to go.
- 2:16S6: And he's like again.
- 2:17S5: How many how many guys get teeth busted out. And
- 2:20S5: then you come back onto the ice anyway.
- 2:22S6: And you're crazy. You know what I mean?
- 2:24S2: It's crazy.
- 2:25S5: It was beautiful. Yeah. This kind of sport Ali loves.
- 2:29S6: Yeah.
- 2:31S3: I mean, I my son was really following this game,
- 2:34S3: so he was. We were sitting in church and he's like, mom,
- 2:37S3: check the score.
- 2:38S6: Good good good.
- 2:40S3: So he definitely had a I had to kind of
- 2:43S3: mute his reaction when he saw Mid-service that they had
- 2:47S3: won 2 to 1.
- 2:48S2: Oh that's great.
- 2:50S5: That's good. We had we had somebody walk in a
- 2:53S5: little bit late. She comes and plops down in the
- 2:55S5: front row. It was pretty full in the house and
- 2:58S5: and I made the I made the comment before a
- 3:01S5: meet and greet. We call it who in the world
- 3:03S5: are you? And I said, listen, for those of you
- 3:05S5: that want to know, USA just won an overtime 2
- 3:09S5: to 1 and the place went gonzo and and, uh,
- 3:12S5: Jill is her name. She's sitting in the front row
- 3:15S5: and she just started commentating to me going, yes, this
- 3:18S5: is what happened and everything else. And I'm like, Jill,
- 3:21S5: we gotta roll here, sister.
- 3:23S6: That's awesome.
- 3:24S5: It's cool. She's she's motivated. She had a son that
- 3:27S5: was a goalie. And I think our goalie won the game.
- 3:31S5: I mean.
- 3:31S2: Oh, the whole Canada to 11..
- 3:34S5: 40 some stops or 30 some stops. I forget what
- 3:38S5: it was. Pull up that stat super die for me
- 3:40S5: if you could. But it was. It was an epic game.
- 3:46S5: Oh my goodness. And you know I it's makes it
- 3:50S5: tough for Canada because that's kind of like that's their
- 3:54S5: that's their jam You know, I mean, hockey is what
- 3:58S5: they do. I mean, that's, you know, they get skates
- 4:01S5: on those kids early on and they probably had in
- 4:04S5: that overtime period. They they had faster skaters. They had
- 4:09S5: some more skilled skaters out there. But it just the
- 4:13S5: puck bounced the right way in for the win.
- 4:18S2: US is us. Goalie had 41 stops, 41.
- 4:22S6: Stops.
- 4:23S2: 42 shots on goal, 42 shots on goal is a
- 4:26S2: lot for a for a hockey game, 30 is probably average. Woo!
- 4:32S5: USA.
- 4:33S6: USA.
- 4:35S5: I mean that was just crazy. What a way to
- 4:37S5: cap off the wonderful Olympics. I heard word that we'd
- 4:41S5: never gotten more golds in a Winter Olympics or something
- 4:43S5: like that. I don't know if that's just rumor or.
- 4:47S2: You.
- 4:48S6: Gotta.
- 4:48S5: Fact check all that.
- 4:49S6: Yeah.
- 4:50S3: Very true. And, you know, Cathy ended her Olympic coverage
- 4:53S3: with us last week.
- 4:55S2: So yes.
- 4:55S3: We don't have her this morning to give us a
- 4:57S3: final update. But the excitement around this win I was
- 5:01S3: driving in this morning in Chicago, the the big billboard
- 5:06S3: that said Miracle on twice.
- 5:09S2: Oh oh.
- 5:10S6: Yeah.
- 5:11S5: I didn't.
- 5:11S3: See that. Oh that's great, that's great.
- 5:14S5: Oh isn't that great. Just awesome stuff. Well, we are
- 5:19S5: going to weave a theme through this week that is
- 5:21S5: going to be so powerful. And I've been up early
- 5:25S5: this morning to do some prep for you boom crew.
- 5:28S5: And I am some kind of fired up when you
- 5:32S5: think about prayer. We need to think in terms of
- 5:36S5: principles that are timeless and that there's a pattern to
- 5:41S5: these kind of prayers that God works in powerfully. And
- 5:46S5: I've got one for you this morning. It's going to
- 5:49S5: be pretty epic, and I just want you to lend
- 5:52S5: your heart. If you could hang around, I want you
- 5:54S5: to do that. I want to prep this by going
- 5:56S5: to George Mueller Alley. You got some facts on this
- 5:59S5: brother of ours?
- 5:59S3: Yeah. George Mueller, widely considered one of the greatest men
- 6:02S3: of prayer and faith. He led to four influential ministries,
- 6:08S3: but he's known best for his work in orphanages. He
- 6:11S3: recorded over 50,000.
- 6:14S6: Specific.
- 6:15S3: Answers to prayers in his journals. Get this 30,000. So
- 6:19S3: 30 out of those 50,000 that he recorded, he said,
- 6:22S3: were answered the same day or even the same hour
- 6:25S3: that he prayed them. So he never asked for donations
- 6:29S3: for his work in this. In these orphanages, he would
- 6:31S3: sometimes care for up to 2000 orphans at a time,
- 6:34S3: 10,000 over his lifetime, and he never let his requests
- 6:38S3: be known to anyone other than God. And so God
- 6:42S3: provided all of the resources that he needed to be
- 6:45S3: able to care for these orphans. So he saw miracle
- 6:49S3: after miracle after answered prayer after answered prayer and was
- 6:53S3: able to care for these children. So he has become
- 6:55S3: a truly a an epic legend even. I mean, but
- 6:59S3: he was a he really lived, he really did this work,
- 7:01S3: but certainly one that we look to when we think
- 7:03S3: of what it looks like to pray fervently, expectantly, and
- 7:07S3: to see God move.
- 7:08S5: It's so cool. And so there's a place we find
- 7:12S5: in Scripture that becomes an outline, according to Swindoll. Spurgeon.
- 7:17S5: Great theologians, both here with us in Already Gone Away
- 7:21S5: that are just over the top, exciting. And wow, we're
- 7:26S5: going to peel it back for you. Good morning boom crew.
- 7:29S5: We are in for a great run this week. Anyone
- 7:32S5: else fired up about a theme of prayer all week long?
- 7:34S6: Absolutely.
- 7:35S5: Oh my goodness. Let's roll with it.
- 7:38S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 7:43S5: Sometimes we think of prayer. Um, and we if we're
- 7:47S5: honest with ourselves, we have some questions Like, does the
- 7:52S5: prayer of a righteous person really have great power in
- 7:56S5: its working? Does it? And how does that work? Are thrilled. Man.
- 8:01S5: This morning I've actually discovered something in a couple hours
- 8:06S5: here early this morning that is pretty mind popping. If
- 8:10S5: there is one place in scripture that Spurgeon, Swindoll, Mueller,
- 8:15S5: you name it, I mean Tozer, they find as a
- 8:20S5: pattern for powerful prayer. It's right here in this central passage. Ali,
- 8:24S5: this is epic, isn't it?
- 8:26S3: James five starting with verse 16, it says, therefore confess
- 8:29S3: your sins to one another and pray for one another,
- 8:31S3: that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous
- 8:34S3: person has great power as it is working. Elijah was
- 8:38S3: a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed
- 8:40S3: fervently that it might not rain. And for three years
- 8:42S3: and six months it did not rain on the earth.
- 8:45S3: Then he prayed again, and heaven gave rain, and the
- 8:47S3: earth bore its fruit.
- 8:49S5: Okay, you look at Elijah. Let me just hit this quickly.
- 8:53S5: You look, Elijah, and you go. Okay, great. I've got
- 8:59S5: to live a life like a life. Here's what James says.
- 9:03S5: Elijah was just like us. And I think sometimes we
- 9:08S5: look at the greats and we go, there's something going
- 9:11S5: on in their life that we were not born with
- 9:14S5: that DNA. You know what I mean, guys?
- 9:16S6: Right.
- 9:16S3: It can feel like that.
- 9:18S5: Yeah. What if I told you that the answer to
- 9:22S5: that question is this reality? The reality is, is that
- 9:26S5: he was just like us. And what put him on
- 9:30S5: the pages of Scripture, according to James, is the posture
- 9:36S5: of his prayer. That's what put him there.
- 9:39S2: Yeah. You know, I've heard this quote, uh, I'm going
- 9:41S2: to paraphrase it a little bit to include Elijah, but
- 9:44S2: it's this person who said it was talking about, you know,
- 9:47S2: experiencing Jesus to his fullest. And they said that, you know,
- 9:51S2: sometimes we sit and we think, well, we don't experience
- 9:53S2: Jesus like the people in the Bible experience Jesus because
- 9:57S2: they were just something special. Jesus loved and attended to
- 10:00S2: them more than he does to us. But the truth is,
- 10:03S2: is that that experience is available to all of us.
- 10:06S2: It's that we don't love and attend to Jesus the
- 10:08S2: way they did. You know, they they were with Jesus.
- 10:12S2: They spent time dedicated to being in his presence each
- 10:15S2: and every day. And so they experienced him in powerful ways,
- 10:18S2: and his power moved through them. That same promise is
- 10:22S2: available to us. If we would just be close with
- 10:24S2: him and live in the way that he calls us to. Yeah.
- 10:28S5: He's a man just like us.
- 10:29S2: Just like us.
- 10:32S5: So what made the difference? George Mueller has taken these
- 10:36S5: few verses that Ali just read and put them into
- 10:38S5: an outline, and others have tagged that same outline that
- 10:43S5: Mueller has and seen it as a pattern for powerful prayer,
- 10:47S5: effective prayer. Coming up, we're going to give you that outline.
- 10:52S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
- 10:56S1: to Carl and crew.
- 10:58S5: Oh, man, I'm so excited about this. My palms are sweating.
- 11:01S5: Something's cooking here, Ali.
- 11:03S6: Oh, I.
- 11:04S2: Love that kind of excitement.
- 11:05S5: Yeah, I really am. Uh, the effective prayer of a
- 11:08S5: righteous man or woman. This is this is this is
- 11:12S5: pretty profound. Whether it's Spurgeon, Swindoll, uh, you name it.
- 11:16S5: I mean, Jake Ryle. It's across the board. I was
- 11:21S5: blown away as I studied this, that the greats see
- 11:26S5: this as a pattern and principles for praying for anything. Now,
- 11:30S5: the direct context in James five is if if anyone
- 11:33S5: among you is suffering or struggling with sin, you come
- 11:36S5: and you pray. But the the commentators and the theologians
- 11:41S5: on this say this is a recurrent pattern that's put
- 11:43S5: here more condensed in James five than anywhere in Scripture.
- 11:47S5: But they say this is the stuff. And Mueller said
- 11:50S5: this is what he hung his whole ministry and the
- 11:53S5: power of prayer. How many answered prayers for Mueller?
- 11:55S3: He recorded in his journal 50,000.
- 12:00S2: He might have forgotten some.
- 12:01S3: So I mean 50,030 thousand within an hour or the
- 12:08S3: same day. So that's 500 answers to prayer each year,
- 12:12S3: more than one a day, every single day for 60 years.
- 12:15S3: To put that in context.
- 12:16S5: This is epic. Okay, Ali, let's read that passage again.
- 12:20S5: If we could out of James five.
- 12:22S6: Yeah.
- 12:22S3: James five, starting with verse 16, therefore confess your sins
- 12:26S3: to one another and pray for one another that you
- 12:28S3: may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has
- 12:30S3: great power as it is working. Elijah was a man
- 12:33S3: with a nature like ours, and he prayed fervently that
- 12:36S3: it might not rain. And for three years and six
- 12:39S3: months it did not rain on the earth. Then he
- 12:41S3: prayed again, and heaven gave rain, and the earth bore
- 12:44S3: its fruit.
- 12:44S2: Yeah.
- 12:45S5: Beautiful man. Okay, let me give you the four part
- 12:48S5: outline of Mueller that he hung all of his prayers
- 12:52S5: on that. Swindoll says this is like this is the
- 12:55S5: pattern of powerful prayer. First and foremost, the necessity of
- 13:01S5: a righteous life. The man or woman of God who
- 13:05S5: has it cleaned the deck. Now, let me give you
- 13:07S5: the anecdotal thing here first. John one nine if we
- 13:10S5: confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
- 13:13S5: us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.
- 13:16S5: Mueller stated that if I regard iniquity in my heart,
- 13:20S5: the Lord will not hear me. Spurgeon said, the prayer
- 13:23S5: of the upright is God's delight. Tozer said, the effective
- 13:28S5: prayer is the fruit of a righteous life. Now here's
- 13:31S5: the here's the hope. This is why getting up in
- 13:35S5: the morning and starting your day, clearing the decks of
- 13:38S5: any stuff in your heart, making sure that your affections
- 13:43S5: are aligned with God is one of the most powerful
- 13:46S5: things we can do. Have you ever noticed when we've
- 13:48S5: done that early in the morning, you get up, you go. God,
- 13:50S5: search me, know me, try me, see stuff in me
- 13:54S5: that's hurtful and lead me in the way. Everlasting. Powerful stuff.
- 13:59S5: It just clears the decks. And have you ever noticed
- 14:02S5: that when you search your heart and clear the decks
- 14:05S5: of any known missing the mark, suddenly there's a vertical
- 14:09S5: connection with God of authenticity that's just real. As real
- 14:13S5: can be.
- 14:14S3: So when you say that righteous life, because obviously we
- 14:17S3: know we stand in the righteousness of Christ, so we
- 14:19S3: cannot make ourselves righteous, positionally speaking, right?
- 14:24S6: Yeah.
- 14:25S5: Yeah. This is why John goes on to say he
- 14:27S5: prays as he ought, will endeavor to live as he prays.
- 14:32S5: Isn't that a great quote? Yeah, we'll endeavor to live
- 14:34S5: as he prays. So we stand in the righteousness of Christ.
- 14:37S5: But because we have this thing called the flesh, the
- 14:40S5: sarx We can get sideways in a New York second.
- 14:43S5: So just clearing the decks of all that stuff, that's
- 14:46S5: what precipitates these powerful prayers. Second point, the reality of
- 14:52S5: God hearing. Sometimes we wonder, am I just talking into
- 14:56S5: the air? Mueller said prayer is not over. Oh, listen
- 14:59S5: to this quote. Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but
- 15:04S5: laying hold of God's willingness. Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance,
- 15:13S5: but laying hold of his willingness.
- 15:17S2: That's such a good quote, man.
- 15:20S5: Is that something else?
- 15:22S2: It's so powerful because I feel like that's what we
- 15:25S2: do that with prayer. It's like, well, whatever's happening right
- 15:28S2: now is is whatever is completely on God's mind and
- 15:31S2: and us praying is us trying to change his mind
- 15:34S2: to get us to get it. Get him to do
- 15:36S2: what what we want. And we're we're going in and
- 15:38S2: we're setting our hearts on him and laying his willingness.
- 15:41S2: He desires to answer our prayers, but he's waiting for
- 15:44S2: us sometimes.
- 15:45S5: So powerful. Andrew Murray added to this outline and said,
- 15:48S5: the great thing in prayer is to feel that we
- 15:51S5: are putting our supplications into the bosom of omnipotent love.
- 15:57S5: Sorry I'm overwhelming you with some quotes here today, but
- 16:00S5: this is powerful stuff. Third point of Mueller's outline. The
- 16:07S5: earnestness and specificity of prayer is vital. As a matter
- 16:13S5: of fact, Chuck Swindoll said vague prayers produce vague results,
- 16:18S5: but he said specific prayers leads to specific results. Mueller
- 16:23S5: himself said it is not enough to begin to pray,
- 16:25S5: but we must patiently believingly continue in specific prayers and
- 16:31S5: believing that we're going to obtain that answer. And you
- 16:35S5: already cited how many prayers were answered, but Mueller recounted
- 16:39S5: praying for precise sum of money and needs of the orphanage.
- 16:43S5: And this is what he said. I had asked God
- 16:44S5: for a specific amount to be sent on that day,
- 16:47S5: and it came in full, almost exactly the sum requested.
- 16:51S5: I was always amazed at how exact God's answers were
- 16:56S5: when I prayed in faith in specificity.
- 17:00S6: Wow.
- 17:01S5: This is powerful.
- 17:02S3: Stuff. I read one stat that said that over the
- 17:06S3: course of his ministry, God funneled over half $1 billion
- 17:10S3: in today's like the value of today's money through his hands.
- 17:15S3: Over half $1 billion.
- 17:18S5: Wow. Ali, is that amazing?
- 17:20S3: That's how he provided for these orphans.
- 17:24S5: Fourth point. Final point. The power of perseverance. Mueller said
- 17:29S5: I have been enabled to ask and obtain what I
- 17:32S5: have asked, because I have asked in faith, often over
- 17:36S5: months and years, and historians say that many of Mueller's
- 17:40S5: prayers came to fruition even after his death, that those
- 17:44S5: prayers were heard stored up. And as God aligned the
- 17:47S5: hearts of others that he was praying for, he changed.
- 17:51S5: Spurgeon said that before he would go into a revival
- 17:54S5: using this same outline, he would pray that the hearts
- 17:58S5: of certain people in a city would be open to
- 18:01S5: the Lord. They were notable people, and he was astounded
- 18:05S5: at how God answered those specific prayers. Leonard Ravenhill said,
- 18:11S5: persistent prayer is the engine God uses to accomplish mighty
- 18:15S5: things in the church. And John Wesley, the great revivalist, said,
- 18:22S5: God does nothing but in answer to our prayer. These
- 18:26S5: are four of the most amazing things going. But I
- 18:29S5: want to come back to this analogy of Elijah. Elijah
- 18:33S5: is our pattern, And it leads to fundamental principles of prayer.
- 18:39S5: And Elijah was just like us. We look at these greats,
- 18:42S5: even hear these quotes of people, and this is what
- 18:44S5: we've got to remember. What made them great is not
- 18:48S5: their inherent greatness. It's their trust in the greatness of
- 18:52S5: God to do what we can only imagine. And so
- 18:56S5: we pray. What an outline. What a pattern for prayer.
- 19:00S5: Swindoll said he's never been disappointed when he's prayed this
- 19:04S5: way with a heart that's upright, spraying, praying with specificity, praying,
- 19:09S5: believing that God hears. And what a thrill. You know,
- 19:15S5: we're focusing on prayer this week because we are recruiting
- 19:20S5: 600 plus, right? Super die.
- 19:23S6: That's exactly it.
- 19:24S5: Yeah, 620. I think people that were asking to fill
- 19:28S5: in prayer every half hour during share, it's coming up
- 19:31S5: in a couple of weeks and I want to throw
- 19:34S5: some mustard in this year in a big way. I've
- 19:37S5: got four pages of outline that needs to be condensed
- 19:41S5: into like a 1 or 2 page PDF, and I'm
- 19:43S5: going to work on this for the next week. I
- 19:45S5: won't have it done for probably a week. I'm going
- 19:47S5: to have these hallmark quotes in there, and this is
- 19:50S5: what I want to offer up. For those of you
- 19:54S5: that join and grab a half an hour of prayer,
- 19:56S5: we are going to pray with specificity this year, and
- 20:00S5: I've got one of a few things that we're going
- 20:03S5: to give you to pray for, but we're going to
- 20:07S5: give you this outline. I'm going to send you a PDF.
- 20:10S5: It'll probably take a week for me to get it
- 20:12S5: to you. But if you join this prayer crew, I'm
- 20:15S5: going to give this to you as a source of
- 20:16S5: encouragement and guidance. That's going to peel some paint here, guys. So, Ali,
- 20:22S5: we want to open up the floodgates today and give specifics.
- 20:25S5: What are we asking them to do a half an hour, right.
- 20:28S6: Yes.
- 20:28S3: We are moving into spring share. We are just now
- 20:31S3: about two weeks out, if I'm correct. And this is
- 20:35S3: if you're new to us, we're a listener supported station.
- 20:37S3: So we do this twice a year where we dedicate
- 20:39S3: some time extended hours here on Moody Radio, where we
- 20:42S3: just cast a vision for what God is doing through
- 20:45S3: this radio station and invite you to partner with us.
- 20:48S3: But for the last, I don't know, 6 or 6
- 20:51S3: years or so, 5 or 6 years. We've been really
- 20:54S3: recruiting prayers, and it's been incredible to see both how
- 20:58S3: God has moved in response to your prayers, but also
- 21:01S3: the testimonies we've gotten of how the individual prayers have
- 21:05S3: been blessed as they've partnered with us in this effort.
- 21:07S3: So if you're willing to grab a 30 minute time
- 21:10S3: slot and you can do this wherever you're at, wherever
- 21:13S3: in the country, if you're driving, if you're at your house,
- 21:15S3: if you're on a prayer walk, just text crew. You're
- 21:18S3: going to see the available slots. We're recruiting about ten
- 21:21S3: prayer warriors per half hour that were on air during share,
- 21:24S3: so grab that 30 minute slot. You just enter a
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- 22:47S5: Okay, coming up here in a moment. We want some stats.
- 22:50S5: Give me some stats. We call them the stat man.
- 22:53S5: But we brought in the super stat man for this.
- 22:56S6: One.
- 22:56S3: Stat man. We take a look at what's going on
- 22:59S3: culturally what's going on in terms of worldview. Sometimes you
- 23:03S3: can feel like you have an idea, but then you
- 23:05S3: see numbers and go, okay, that makes a lot of sense.
- 23:08S3: Doctor Adam Rasmussen from the Cultural Center joins us. Coming up.
- 23:13S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
- 23:17S1: Carl and crew.
- 23:19S5: Good numbers are absolutely awesome and essential. Now, I know
- 23:24S5: I'm a number freak and I have been forever, but
- 23:28S5: it's because I love it. It moves you beyond the
- 23:32S5: theoretical to the concrete. You can. You can postulate all
- 23:36S5: day long about where we are nationally, globally, uh, even
- 23:42S5: in communities. But when you get data points, it changes everything,
- 23:45S5: doesn't it?
- 23:46S3: It does. And we've got a numbers guy, doctor Adam Rasmussen.
- 23:50S3: Hopefully he's okay with me calling him that. He's a
- 23:52S3: fellow at the Cultural Research Center, uh, that was formed
- 23:55S3: in partnership with Doctor George Barna, uh, in order to
- 23:58S3: produce credible research and analysis to show the impact of
- 24:02S3: the biblical worldview on American culture.
- 24:05S5: Yeah. Good to have you with us, Adam. All right, man,
- 24:08S5: you've had a lot of phenomenal numbers come out even
- 24:12S5: in the recently December 10th, 2025 here, just a few
- 24:16S5: months ago. Why do you do what you do? Let's
- 24:19S5: start there. Adam, how'd you get into this?
- 24:22S7: We want to help the church. So we exist at
- 24:26S7: the cultural research Center at Arizona Christian University to provide
- 24:31S7: resources for the church to look at biblical worldview in
- 24:35S7: America and how we can restore some of those foundations.
- 24:40S7: So we're going to be talking about some of those
- 24:41S7: numbers today. But that's our that's our main goal, theologically
- 24:45S7: and culturally conservative university. And we just want to help
- 24:49S7: the church.
- 24:50S5: Okay. One of the stats that is really blowing my
- 24:54S5: mind is 4%. You have found through an extensive group
- 24:59S5: of people in research, 4% of the American population. We
- 25:04S5: got listeners beyond that in Canada and beyond. But this
- 25:08S5: is a good kind of Beaker test here. 4% hold
- 25:12S5: a Christian worldview that directs their private and public lives. Uh,
- 25:17S5: give us some of the metadata on that. Why is
- 25:20S5: that so important for us to know? It's a shockingly
- 25:22S5: low number compared to 24% who call themselves Evangelicals are
- 25:27S5: Bible believing, Adam.
- 25:29S7: Right? Okay, so Ali called me a numbers guy. So
- 25:32S7: here we go. You're right. 4% would have what we
- 25:35S7: call a biblical worldview. And then about one quarter of
- 25:41S7: adults in America would say that they are evangelical Christians
- 25:46S7: and around 62 to 66%, depending on which source you're
- 25:52S7: looking at, would say that they're Christian. Okay. So let's
- 25:55S7: look over those numbers again. Two thirds of Americans would
- 25:58S7: say they're Christian. About a quarter of Americans would say
- 26:02S7: that they're evangelical. But what we've found is when you
- 26:05S7: square that against the Bible and what the Bible teaches,
- 26:09S7: only 4% have a Genesis to Revelation understanding of God,
- 26:14S7: Jesus salvation and their own, you know, life and purpose.
- 26:20S7: So isn't that alarming?
- 26:22S6: It is.
- 26:22S3: What do you make of that?
- 26:24S7: Well, I make of it that we are measuring averages.
- 26:27S7: We're looking at numbers. Okay. So this is a scientific study.
- 26:31S7: And it's at the 95th confidence interval with plus 1
- 26:35S7: or 2 you know plus or minus. This is a
- 26:38S7: scientific study over 2000 adults representative sample of those in America.
- 26:44S7: And I think that when you look at all of
- 26:48S7: the societal ills, we can talk about abortion rates, we
- 26:51S7: can talk about divorce, we can talk about quiet quitters,
- 26:54S7: all of those things, all those other numbers are physical
- 26:58S7: symptoms of a spiritual problem. So when we say only 4%
- 27:05S7: are taking their ideas about God, the universe and themselves
- 27:08S7: from the Bible, we have a spiritual problem. So that's
- 27:12S7: what I think of it.
- 27:13S5: You know, it's interesting Barna has not been one to commentate.
- 27:18S5: He does make some commentary on these studies. You're joined
- 27:21S5: in partnership with him. But he did say something at
- 27:25S5: the end of this study. I don't have it open,
- 27:27S5: but I've got it in my head. Something. The effect
- 27:29S5: of this probably is a dinner bell for us to
- 27:33S5: not invite necessarily a lot more people to the church.
- 27:36S5: That's not our biggest challenge, but to work with those
- 27:40S5: that are in the church to bolster what we believe
- 27:43S5: and why. What do you think about that, Adam?
- 27:46S7: Yes, our statistics show that. And just bottom line, we
- 27:50S7: look at D.L. Moody. We look at others that brought
- 27:53S7: meaning revival, the gospel. When you want to see culture change,
- 27:58S7: it works this way. God changes the church and the
- 28:03S7: church changes the culture.
- 28:04S5: Amen.
- 28:05S7: So what we have to do is get back to
- 28:08S7: preaching the gospel. And that's going to involve things like sin, repentance. Yes, faith.
- 28:15S7: And those things are not being we can measure those things.
- 28:18S7: They are, on average, not happening in our churches. So yes,
- 28:23S7: I would say, of course, we need to reach our neighbors.
- 28:26S7: We need to reach the lost. Those that don't go
- 28:28S7: to church. You also have to realize those people are
- 28:31S7: in the pew right next to you at church.
- 28:34S3: Doctor Adam Rasmussen with the Cultural Research Center. Our guest
- 28:37S3: this morning. You know, you mentioned sin. I know you
- 28:39S3: also had a report, the Cultural Research Center had a
- 28:41S3: report out last year about sin and how American Christians
- 28:46S3: define sinfulness. What did you find in that report?
- 28:51S7: Well, Ali, 84% of adults in America, whether they're Christian
- 28:56S7: or atheist or whatever, they would say sin exists. They would. Now,
- 29:00S7: how do we define it? That's the question. So it's
- 29:04S7: very interesting study. You can look at it September 4th, 2025.
- 29:08S7: All of this is free on our website. It's very interesting.
- 29:12S7: So what are we going to do when people know, okay,
- 29:14S7: I do things that are bad or wrong. And only 72%
- 29:19S7: of Americans would say that sin is disobedience to God.
- 29:22S7: And then if you keep going down, only 3% of
- 29:26S7: Americans would say that they are not going to heaven.
- 29:30S7: They're going to the other place. So the idea of
- 29:34S7: God as being holy, or us having to have repentance
- 29:39S7: and forgiveness through Jesus alone isn't there? I think people
- 29:43S7: in America really want honesty across the board. That's the
- 29:48S7: one thing that people really don't like is when people
- 29:51S7: lie to better themselves. We think that's just egregious. But
- 29:58S7: there are a lot of other behaviors that we tend
- 30:00S7: to look away from. And I'm talking about the average American.
- 30:04S7: I'm not talking about that 4% or group that are
- 30:07S7: really locked in on the Bible.
- 30:09S5: I want to go back to something that you just said.
- 30:11S5: Doctor Adam Rasmussen is our guest. He's a fellow at
- 30:15S5: the Cultural Research Center, and we're going to have a
- 30:17S5: link for you here in just a moment. Boom crew
- 30:19S5: that's going to get you on to all these stats.
- 30:21S5: Because if you're like me. Not everyone is, but you
- 30:24S5: love numbers and that this is profound insight. You know,
- 30:28S5: I've done some study on the Great Awakenings, and I
- 30:31S5: think a lot of people think this is a good
- 30:34S5: assumption that if we're going to see a cultural shift
- 30:39S5: and a revival, we would think those numbers would be
- 30:42S5: up around 51%, just a tipping point where the tide's
- 30:47S5: starting to move the other direction. But in the Great Awakenings,
- 30:50S5: that wasn't the case. But if you look at what
- 30:53S5: happened in the Great Awakenings, they had, 15% of the
- 30:57S5: population would have fallen into what is now 4%, which
- 31:01S5: Christian worldview they taught on sin. They were convicted of sin,
- 31:05S5: they repented, they turned, and that 15% was so alive
- 31:10S5: in Christ that it created social plate shifts. That changed
- 31:17S5: the whole, uh, morality of our nation radically. So I'm
- 31:23S5: coming back to this. This is not about vast numbers
- 31:27S5: of people that necessarily hear about Jesus. This is about
- 31:32S5: smaller numbers, lesser numbers who are radically committed to Christ.
- 31:37S5: And we can see things change. Thoughts on that one, Adam?
- 31:41S7: Uh, 100% agree with you. The message of truth and
- 31:44S7: love that Jesus proclaimed with his very life are the
- 31:48S7: model and power for Christian living. And historically speaking, Carl,
- 31:52S7: when Christians have lived out those principles in their day
- 31:55S7: to day lives, reforms have swept through culture that benefit
- 31:59S7: all people. And you're right, we're called to be salt
- 32:02S7: and light, and we will be until the Lord returns.
- 32:06S7: George Barnes said if we have about 10% of discipled
- 32:10S7: up Christians, we can really make a huge difference. Yeah,
- 32:14S7: you and I don't bring the Holy Spirit. We don't
- 32:16S7: bring the fire, but we prepare the firewood and we
- 32:20S7: get ready and we say, oh Lord, in our generation.
- 32:23S7: And isn't that what we're trying to do? Isn't that
- 32:25S7: what you're trying to do with your program and with
- 32:28S7: my ministry? We want to tell people the good news
- 32:31S7: of Jesus. And really, it is for all of life.
- 32:35S7: And we've seen it happen in various generations. Let's have
- 32:38S7: it happen here.
- 32:39S3: Doctor Adam Rasmussen, our guest this morning. What trends are
- 32:43S3: you looking at this coming year? Can you forecast a
- 32:46S3: little bit for us what you're going to be tracking?
- 32:49S7: That's a great question. I think what we've seen is
- 32:52S7: that there's a rising group of young people and among
- 32:56S7: men as well. That's exciting to see. We have other
- 33:00S7: things that we want to keep watching, like right here
- 33:02S7: at Arizona Christian University. We have an amazing program to
- 33:06S7: develop students in their biblical worldview. And so we have
- 33:09S7: a longitudinal study that we just released over five years.
- 33:13S7: And we've been able to see Worldview impact among young
- 33:17S7: people here. So I think those are some of the
- 33:19S7: things that we're looking forward to.
- 33:20S5: Man, I love this. Adam, we got to get you
- 33:23S5: back here more often. How often do you drop, uh,
- 33:26S5: research pieces?
- 33:28S7: A couple times a month. Uh, we usually take a
- 33:31S7: little bit of a break during the summer, so I
- 33:34S7: would say they're going to be about ten a year.
- 33:37S7: But then George Barna does some others outside of the
- 33:40S7: cultural research Center that are pretty interesting to see as well.
- 33:44S7: And we'll see what we're talking about here coming up
- 33:46S7: in 2026.
- 33:48S5: Yeah. Beautiful man. Love having you here bro. Okay. We've
- 33:51S5: got a piece of content for you that is going
- 33:54S5: to be super helpful from December 10th, 2025. This piece
- 33:59S5: reveals 4% worldview and some other important stats as well.
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- 34:18S1: and crew.
- 34:19S5: One of the toughest topics that we have to address
- 34:22S5: around here, and we must is abuse, both physical and verbal.
- 34:27S5: And it's heartbreaking because some of you maybe even listening today, or,
- 34:31S5: you know, someone who needs to be listening is in
- 34:34S5: a situation like this right now.
- 34:36S3: So coming up, we are going to have a conversation with.
- 34:39S3: He's become a favorite expert on our show, Doctor David Clarke,
- 34:43S3: talking specifically about narcissism, among other things. But we're going
- 34:47S3: to really dive into that one. Maybe you hear people
- 34:49S3: talk use that word. Maybe I'm married to a narcissist,
- 34:53S3: or I have a friend who's a narcissist. What does
- 34:56S3: that mean? And what do you do if that's what
- 34:59S3: you've identified?
- 35:00S5: Yeah. And and I think what we need to get
- 35:03S5: into with them is we throw a lot of words around.
- 35:07S5: What does it mean? Right.
- 35:08S3: Exactly.
- 35:09S5: Yeah. What does it mean? And then the most important
- 35:13S5: question what do we do about it? Hang on, Doctor Clark,
- 35:17S5: straight ahead.
- 35:18S1: You're listening to Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 35:21S5: Relationships are tough. Come on. We. The reason we bring
- 35:26S5: in experts on marriage, family, discipleship, like we're hammering a
- 35:31S5: lot here as of late is because relationships are tough. Oftentimes,
- 35:36S5: it's easier to just back up, go to your corner,
- 35:39S5: and kind of hope things get better. When it comes
- 35:42S5: to the issue of abuse in marriage, let's just jump
- 35:46S5: right in here. There is physical abuse and there is
- 35:50S5: verbal abuse, for which, as a pastor, I just want
- 35:53S5: to be really clear. I have prescribed many times separation,
- 35:56S5: not divorce. That's for someone to make up their mind
- 36:00S5: given the circumstances of each situation. But emotional abuse, abandonment,
- 36:07S5: physical abuse it's good to get an expert in. David Clark, PhD,
- 36:12S5: here with us right now. This is real, isn't it?
- 36:15S5: And yet, how systemic is it? We often throw words
- 36:18S5: around like abuse. We got to be careful. But we
- 36:22S5: need to be clear, don't we, David?
- 36:24S8: Well we do. And it is out there. And it's
- 36:27S8: as much in the church as it is anywhere else.
- 36:29S8: We're churning out narcissists and abusers by the millions. But
- 36:34S8: we need to be careful. That's why we need to
- 36:36S8: talk to an expert therapist, someone who gets it, who
- 36:39S8: can evaluate you carefully to figure out is this a
- 36:43S8: difficult person and a conflicted marriage, or is it something
- 36:46S8: far worse?
- 36:48S3: Doctor David Clark with us right now. Okay, so I
- 36:50S3: want to go back to what you just said. This
- 36:52S3: is as rampant and prevalent in the church as anywhere else. That.
- 36:57S8: Yeah.
- 36:58S3: Explain. Because that's that's surprising.
- 37:02S8: These. Well, I'm doing a whole series on covert narcs now.
- 37:05S8: The covert narcissists, these guys and women to look beautiful
- 37:09S8: on Sunday morning. Everybody loves them. They know the pastor
- 37:12S8: they're serving. And they, as the Bible says, as Jesus
- 37:15S8: says himself, they are wolves in sheep's clothing. Uh, so
- 37:19S8: we have to be careful. You don't you don't know anybody.
- 37:21S8: If you know them on Sunday, you don't know them
- 37:23S8: unless you live with them. So. And they and the
- 37:26S8: church is a breeding ground. Oh, nice people, Christian people.
- 37:30S8: You can fool them if you know what you're doing. Easily.
- 37:34S5: Okay. I want to stop right here because we have
- 37:37S5: a an assumption, a presupposition on this radio show that's
- 37:41S5: grounded in Scripture. And I'm wondering, look, I know that
- 37:46S5: disciples of Christ can get derailed and do stupid, dumb things.
- 37:50S5: And in the process of discipleship, a lot of things
- 37:52S5: have to change. Family of origin, the way we learned,
- 37:55S5: the way we behave. But my contention is a lot
- 37:59S5: of these people are Christian in name only. They've not
- 38:01S5: been born again because the gap between what Pew says 24%
- 38:06S5: of the American population says, I'm evangelical, go to a
- 38:09S5: Bible preaching church or whatever, versus those that have a
- 38:13S5: biblical worldview and order their private and public lives around it,
- 38:16S5: which is 4%. I'm wondering if a lot of these
- 38:19S5: people claim in the name of Christ are not truly
- 38:22S5: born again. And from your experience, do you find that
- 38:25S5: to be the case?
- 38:27S8: Oh, absolutely. Carl. Absolutely. When you do the evaluation, whether
- 38:32S8: I'm talking to them directly or I'm talking to their wife,
- 38:34S8: which is more the case. Oh, yeah. Now they'll pretend
- 38:36S8: to be Christians. They don't know Jesus, the real monsters.
- 38:40S8: Now they can fake it beautifully. Not true. They are
- 38:43S8: their own God. They do not know Jesus. Oh. And
- 38:46S8: so therefore, there is no hope for change. Absolutely not.
- 38:50S8: Unless they come to Jesus and they're probably not going to.
- 38:53S3: The word narcissist narcissism. I don't know that if I
- 38:57S3: heard that word five times in my first 20 years
- 39:01S3: of life, but boy oh boy do I hear it
- 39:04S3: all the time now. Is that a Diagnosis. Is that
- 39:08S3: something that we should be freely saying about other people?
- 39:11S3: Is that something that's easily observable? Because if you look
- 39:16S3: on social media, everybody's a narcissist nowadays.
- 39:20S8: Boy, isn't that the truth. It's just exploded. And there's
- 39:23S8: so many people on the air and in media who
- 39:25S8: don't have the slightest clue. I mean, these are these
- 39:27S8: are just amateurs, and they're spouting off this and that. No.
- 39:31S8: You need. That's why the evaluation is so important. I'm
- 39:34S8: not going to call anybody that until I've done a
- 39:36S8: careful evaluation by the person living with that person who's
- 39:40S8: who's who's telling me the truth. I know the questions
- 39:43S8: to ask. Narcissism is a pattern of abusive behavior. This
- 39:48S8: is a spectacularly selfish individual controlled by Satan. That gets
- 39:52S8: to your point, Carl. Do they do not know Jesus?
- 39:54S8: Satan and his demons are all over this person who
- 39:57S8: slowly destroys his partner over time, or her partner and
- 40:01S8: blames the partner for their destruction. That's a narcissist. I
- 40:04S8: mean evil, yeah, Evil.
- 40:08S5: Uh, let's get into how this manifests itself. David. We've
- 40:11S5: got physical abuse. No brainer. Get out of there for
- 40:15S5: your own safety and for the welfare of everyone, including
- 40:17S5: the abuser. Uh, and then we have verbal abuse, which
- 40:22S5: is brutal. And I, as a pastor, recommend separation. I
- 40:28S5: never prescribe divorce. I believe the Scripture gives us a couple.
- 40:33S5: I'm going to use air quotes outs here. I do
- 40:35S5: believe God's a miracle worker, but when you have infidelity
- 40:40S5: and or abandonment, some of these physical and emotional abusers
- 40:44S5: are they have essentially abandoned their spouse. I don't want
- 40:49S5: to get mushy on this. I want to be clear, David.
- 40:51S5: You don't prescribe divorce immediately. Don't. But you need to
- 40:55S5: get some space there on these cases, correct?
- 40:58S9: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
- 40:59S8: If at all possible. Physical separation is critical. A lot
- 41:02S8: of these ladies I talked to especially, they're codependent, they're
- 41:05S8: trauma bonded. They are. They are just helpless. So it
- 41:08S8: may take a year, 18 months, two years to to
- 41:11S8: really get strong enough to be able to make the break.
- 41:14S8: But first, I'm very careful on the evaluation because if
- 41:17S8: we have a marriage that's difficult, that's conflicted. I work
- 41:20S8: with those for 35, 40 years and we still do
- 41:22S8: on occasion. Okay, those can be saved. Both Christians, people
- 41:26S8: working towards it. Okay. I don't care what the mess is,
- 41:28S8: but if you're with a monster, okay, that's a different story.
- 41:31S8: We're going to have a secret plan to get you out.
- 41:34S8: And these it's like these narcissists go to they go
- 41:37S8: to the woods. There's camps in the woods where they
- 41:39S8: learn how to be one and they're all the same.
- 41:41S8: It's the same horrible stuff, but nobody knows it outside
- 41:45S8: the four walls of your home.
- 41:47S3: Doctor Dave Clark with us right now, Christian psychologist, author.
- 41:51S3: He has written extensively, authored over 20 books. Coming up,
- 41:55S3: let's dig in a little bit deeper because you're listening
- 41:57S3: and you're going, boy, this is strong language. But I'm
- 42:00S3: also hearing some things that maybe sound familiar? Or am
- 42:04S3: I married to a narcissist? Let's talk about that. Coming up.
- 42:08S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
- 42:12S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 42:14S3: Got a special guest with us this morning, doctor Dave Clark.
- 42:17S3: He's a Christian psychologist. Author. Define narcissist. How do I
- 42:22S3: know if I'm married to one?
- 42:24S8: It is an incredibly, spectacularly, amazingly selfish individual who's controlled
- 42:30S8: by Satan, who is destroying you step by step with
- 42:34S8: a pattern of abusive behavior. And I can go over
- 42:37S8: some of the categories.
- 42:38S5: Let's, let's, let's do that. Let's get some of those categories.
- 42:42S8: We have verbal abuse always. Now the covert is better rather,
- 42:45S8: but the overt is going to really blast you. Personal attacks,
- 42:48S8: criticism of all types and description. You can't do anything.
- 42:52S8: You can't load the dishwasher correctly. You can't do the laundry.
- 42:56S8: It goes on. Bad mother, bad wife, never good enough.
- 43:01S8: Any kind of a decent, godly man would never treat
- 43:04S8: his wife that way. I neglect your needs. I don't
- 43:07S8: care about your needs. That's your problem. Your job is
- 43:09S8: to meet my needs. There was a refusal to communicate.
- 43:11S8: This person will not talk about any issue he doesn't
- 43:15S8: want to talk about. Well, you can't have a marriage
- 43:17S8: under those circumstances. The silent treatment is one of the hallmarks.
- 43:21S8: I will cut you off. I will act like you
- 43:24S8: wouldn't exist for hours, days, weeks. Oh, my. That just
- 43:29S8: tears a woman to shreds. And there's no excuse for it,
- 43:32S8: of course, but he. And this is one of the
- 43:33S8: hallmarks to everything is your fault. When I'm silent treatment
- 43:37S8: to you, it's your fault. Everything is your fault. There's control.
- 43:41S8: There's there's there's there's anger outbursts. There's there's often sexual issues,
- 43:46S8: sexual abuse. And guess what? I'm also turning your kids
- 43:49S8: against you along the way here. It's nasty.
- 43:53S5: This is ringing a bell for a lot of people.
- 43:56S5: Too many. Quite candidly, right now, what is the first
- 43:59S5: step for someone that finds himself in this position.
- 44:03S8: I have to figure out if I'm in fact, with
- 44:06S8: a full blown narcissist. Someone with narcissistic traits in fact
- 44:10S8: can change and that person can know Jesus. But if
- 44:13S8: you get a full blown narc on your hands, uh,
- 44:15S8: he's not going to change. Almost certainly. So we got
- 44:18S8: to find out. Am I married to one? And that's
- 44:21S8: why Moody Publishers publish my book. Enough is enough. But
- 44:26S8: that will. The first six chapters are are specifically describing
- 44:30S8: a narcissist. So we know exactly what we're dealing with.
- 44:34S8: Once you know that, then you begin a plan of
- 44:37S8: healing yourself. You don't fool with the other. You don't
- 44:39S8: bother with marriage counseling. Waste of time with a guy
- 44:41S8: like this and a waste of money. You'll just snowball
- 44:45S8: the counselor and twist words and not even show up
- 44:47S8: half the time. So we're getting it to get you strong.
- 44:50S8: We're going to get you because you've given yourself up
- 44:52S8: to this person. We're going to get you back and
- 44:54S8: you're going to get strong. You're going to work with
- 44:55S8: the kids. Enough is enough covers a lot of that,
- 44:58S8: these steps of preparation to get away from him. But
- 45:01S8: first of all, I got to find out. And this
- 45:03S8: takes years to find out. Uh oh. This is what
- 45:05S8: I've got.
- 45:07S3: Doctor Dave Clark, give us a story. I know you
- 45:09S3: don't give us details, but help us to picture this
- 45:13S3: through a story.
- 45:16S8: Here's a lady. Been married for 25 years to a
- 45:20S8: narcissist and just. It's taken her just about 25 years
- 45:24S8: to figure it out because he's so good. He's so smooth.
- 45:28S8: Everybody loves him. Kids love him. Neighbors love him. He's
- 45:31S8: a servant. He treats her like garbage. But he's so
- 45:34S8: clever with his words that he twists things and it
- 45:36S8: makes it seem like it's her fault. Everything is her fault.
- 45:39S8: If only you would, Betty. Fill in the blank. Everything
- 45:42S8: would be different. He's calm, he's rational. So. But she's.
- 45:45S8: The light is just beginning to dawn. I talked to
- 45:49S8: this lady just recently. As a matter of fact, it's
- 45:50S8: described many ladies I talked to on the phone and
- 45:52S8: my phone advice sessions. But she's now figured out, uh oh,
- 45:55S8: my body is telling me I'm breaking down physically because
- 45:58S8: of the stress, the adrenaline rush, autoimmune disorders. I'm emotionally
- 46:03S8: a wreck. Panic attacks, depression, anxiety of all types, fight
- 46:08S8: or flight now and she's just starting to just starting
- 46:11S8: to get it. We have a phone advice session. I
- 46:14S8: refer to some materials to her. Enough is Enough is
- 46:16S8: one of those. And now she's going, oh, I get it.
- 46:19S8: And God is opening her eyes and it's always God's timing.
- 46:23S8: She feels bad because she didn't leave before. But I say,
- 46:25S8: don't worry, no regrets. We're going to get you out now.
- 46:28S8: And she's going to take the steps she's going to take.
- 46:30S8: In fact, this lady, it took her, I think a year,
- 46:32S8: the one I'm talking about in my mind to get out. Wow.
- 46:35S8: She frontloaded everything. She told this dirt ball nothing because
- 46:39S8: you keep it a secret. And she left him. She
- 46:42S8: took some kids and she left him. And they're going
- 46:45S8: through divorce now. And it's not pretty, but she is
- 46:48S8: going to be free.
- 46:49S5: So I'm sensitive to the guys listening right now. I mean,
- 46:53S5: very candidly, early on in my marriage relationship, I, I
- 46:58S5: had some of those symptoms. I mean, I would filibuster
- 47:01S5: my wife. I would come up with excuses. But there was,
- 47:06S5: at the end of the day, um, a brokenness and
- 47:09S5: a humility that God birthed within me, that I had
- 47:12S5: to face it and see it and own it. I
- 47:15S5: there's hope for. I'm thinking about any man or woman
- 47:19S5: listening right now who goes, oh boy, some of that's me,
- 47:22S5: but not in total because I'm still teachable and humble
- 47:25S5: and I will break. Um, when I see tears, give
- 47:30S5: encouragement to that person that's worth hanging in there and
- 47:34S5: doing a deep dive on discipleship as a couple and
- 47:36S5: getting counsel, is there not, David?
- 47:39S8: Oh it is. And see that you've hit the nail
- 47:41S8: on the head, Carl. That's the difference. I could tell
- 47:44S8: you stories of our early marriage. Clueless. I was spoiled
- 47:48S8: as a child anyway, but I learned. See, the difference
- 47:50S8: is we are decent people. We do know Jesus. And
- 47:53S8: we got it. And we broke and we repented. And
- 47:56S8: we went through a process of change. A good man
- 47:58S8: that will always happen with a good man with a
- 48:01S8: dirtball it ain't ever going to happen. But you're a
- 48:03S8: good person, man or woman, and we're all sinners. If
- 48:06S8: you will start working on yourself and drawing close to
- 48:10S8: the Lord and working on these areas. Oh, absolutely. You
- 48:13S8: can change.
- 48:14S3: Our guest this morning, Doctor Dave Clark. This is a
- 48:17S3: tough topic. And as you're listening, if some of this
- 48:20S3: is ringing true and you're not really sure where to turn,
- 48:23S3: I want to give you a link that's going to
- 48:24S3: get get you access to resources to Doctor Clark's website.
- 48:29S3: He does offer those phone consultations. If you want to
- 48:33S3: get more information, just text enough to 800 555 7898.
- 48:40S3: Text enough to 800 555 7898. Doctor Clark, if a
- 48:47S3: woman or a man I want to be want to
- 48:50S3: be fair here, if feels like they may be in
- 48:53S3: a situation as you've described, who are the right people
- 48:56S3: to get around them? Because this is not a time
- 48:59S3: period to be walking in isolation.
- 49:02S8: Right. You need a solid support group of people who
- 49:05S8: who believe you, who love you, who believe you. And
- 49:07S8: I'm betting as you start telling the truth to these
- 49:10S8: key people mom, dad, brother, sister, close friend, could could
- 49:14S8: be a pastor and they will believe you. And they'll say,
- 49:18S8: you know what? We've seen some things we're not sure,
- 49:21S8: but we believe you. And they will believe you and
- 49:23S8: they will rally around you. Yeah. We don't we don't
- 49:25S8: this won't fight this battle alone. You're going to have
- 49:28S8: to have some key people. It's always a small group.
- 49:30S8: There's a bunch of fence sitters and people that are
- 49:32S8: clueless or who just don't care. Or you can't trust,
- 49:35S8: maybe even in your own family. So we're very careful
- 49:37S8: with selecting these people, but these are your warriors because
- 49:41S8: you're going to war, to rebuild your life and to
- 49:44S8: get free.
- 49:46S5: Takes the word enough to 805, 55, 78, 98, enough
- 49:50S5: to 805, five, five, 78, 98.