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Pulling Back The Hollywood Curtain: with Actress + Activist Emmanuelle Chriqui · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: Big things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever,
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe, and each week my guests
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  Speaker 1: and I have conversations that put a new spin on
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  Speaker 1: pretty this is pretty smart. Who doesn't love a peek
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  Speaker 1: into the life of a Hollywood actor. If you're like me,
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  Speaker 1: you can't get enough of any show that pulls back
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  Speaker 1: the curtain on what it's like to be young, successful
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  Speaker 1: and have the world at your fingertips. In two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and four, my guest today a manual shrieky start in
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  Speaker 1: the HBO series Entrage, which gave viewers a fictionalized glimpse
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  Speaker 1: into the life of a young actor, his friends and
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  Speaker 1: their wild Hollywood lifestyle. Except it wasn't so fictional, and
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  Speaker 1: it became an instant hit, more like a sensation. Even
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  Speaker 1: am Manuel, who start as Sloan, became an instant sensation
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  Speaker 1: as well well, And since then she's had the type
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  Speaker 1: of longevity in this business that so many people are
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  Speaker 1: vying for. So today I wanted to talk to her
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  Speaker 1: about finding her way in Hollywood, the real Hollywood. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about everything you've ever wanted to know about making it.
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  Speaker 1: How her upbringing in Toronto shaped her how big breaks
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  Speaker 1: are really just small career building blocks, and she told
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  Speaker 1: me about the time she almost quit acting. We also
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  Speaker 1: dive into some tough moments, like how she's navigated losing
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  Speaker 1: both of her parents and where she turned when she
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  Speaker 1: was depressed at the height of her success, from big breaks,
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  Speaker 1: to the resilience it takes to stay in the game,
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  Speaker 1: and yes, of course entourage. Today, I'm excited to introduce
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  Speaker 1: someone with a big heart, a sultry voice, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of soul. So Emanuel on Rotten Tomatoes, you're described
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  Speaker 1: as a raven haired Canadian actress with a curiously mysterious
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  Speaker 1: history and a friendly smile.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it.
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  Speaker 1: I had to google raven haird Would you call yourself mysterious?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but people and even close friends of mine describe
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  Speaker 2: me as mysterious, which is so interesting because I think
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  Speaker 2: if you consider yourself to be friendly, you don't think mysterious.
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  Speaker 2: But it's almost like I have my core group right
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  Speaker 2: that like knows me, and then I think to a
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  Speaker 2: lot of other people, I'm friendly without giving too much.
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  Speaker 2: So it's come up a lot. So maybe a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Your parents are Moroccan Jewish immigrants. You were raised in Canada.
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  Speaker 1: What was your upbringing? Like, I've heard you talk in
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  Speaker 1: interviews about being Canadian, about being Moroccan, but I haven't
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  Speaker 1: heard so much about your childhood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had really just so very wonderful kind of
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  Speaker 2: ordinary childhood. Like I grew up in a small town
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  Speaker 2: outside of Toronto. There was one other Jewish family, so
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  Speaker 2: and my parents they were quite practicing, even though we
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  Speaker 2: lived in a completely non Jewish area. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was always you know, Chabbat dinner and the high
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  Speaker 2: holidays and as a kid, you know, after school in
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  Speaker 2: the wintertime, when it was time to light the Shabbat candles,
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  Speaker 2: I was like rushing home before like four fifteen, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when it gets dark so early, and there was all
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  Speaker 2: these things, and my friends would always, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: there was a school dance or whatever, my friends would
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  Speaker 2: be like, you know, m can't come out until after
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  Speaker 2: that like Friday night thing. And then eventually I just
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  Speaker 2: started inviting them over, like, oh, you should come over
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  Speaker 2: for dinner and then we go out after. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 2: that was like one part of growing up. I have
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  Speaker 2: an older brother and sister and we get along great
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  Speaker 2: when we were young, not so much. My brother and
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  Speaker 2: my sister were kind of at each other quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a great It was such a lovely
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  Speaker 2: way to grow up in a small town. And when
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  Speaker 2: it was time for high school, I went to a
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  Speaker 2: high school for the performing arts. It was just being built,
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  Speaker 2: so it allowed me to continue sort of my passion
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  Speaker 2: for acting. And then, you know, I would say the
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  Speaker 2: sort of main point was, unfortunately my mom was sick
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of my growing up. So she so
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  Speaker 2: by the time I was eleven, she'd already had like
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  Speaker 2: several cancers, and then she you know, passed when I
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  Speaker 2: was sixteen, So there was like a gap of time.
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  Speaker 2: I started living two very different lives. There was like
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  Speaker 2: my life at school, and then there was my life
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  Speaker 2: as soon as I got home, which was really taking
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  Speaker 2: care of, you know, my sick mom.
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  Speaker 3: I did not know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty intense.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to bring this up later, But you're
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  Speaker 1: incredibly philanthropic. When I was googling, I never I have
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  Speaker 1: never interviewed somebody who's Google search was so filled with philanthropy.
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  Speaker 3: Really, it was pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 1: There was you help women in the Congo, You're on
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  Speaker 1: the board of the Environmental Media Association. You talk about
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  Speaker 1: COVID relief during COVID, racial equality, anti Semitism, several.
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  Speaker 3: Organizations supporting cancer research, and that was just the top
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  Speaker 3: of the list. I was going to ask you why
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  Speaker 3: you lend your.
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  Speaker 1: Voice, but now I'm thinking it's because you have all
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  Speaker 1: of this compassion because of your upbringing.
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  Speaker 2: So I think, so, I really think that that's got
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  Speaker 2: to be it, Like I you know, And it's funny
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  Speaker 2: because I, you know, we grew up in a house.
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  Speaker 2: It's so interesting, as you know, coming from a sort
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  Speaker 2: of very traditional Jewish home. My parents were so liberal,
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  Speaker 2: so I didn't sort of grow up with all the
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  Speaker 2: stereotypes of what it is to grow up in a
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  Speaker 2: pretty religious home like at all. They were very liberal.
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  Speaker 2: They were super into the arts. You know, in Canada
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  Speaker 2: there's three parties and there's NDP, which is really like
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  Speaker 2: the most extreme left, which was my mom, who was
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  Speaker 2: a teacher, you know, my dad was an accountant, and
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  Speaker 2: they were always just very accepting and sort of open minded.
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  Speaker 2: And I think somehow or somewhere that sort of came through.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when you lived through certain traumas, like
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  Speaker 2: first you know my mom and then my dad he
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  Speaker 2: got diagnosed actually with the same cancer that my mom did,
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  Speaker 2: colorectal cancer, but then it was he had the whole
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  Speaker 2: colon thing and he passed away from it like nine
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  Speaker 2: years ago, ten years ago. And so I think that
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  Speaker 2: when you sort of live with that and at the
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  Speaker 2: same time just feel like so incredibly blessed, I think
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  Speaker 2: that you just end up finding ways to give back,
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  Speaker 2: do you know. I think it's just really important also too,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm gonna be really honest, When I was doing Entourage,
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  Speaker 2: it was, like I would say, pretty much at the
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  Speaker 2: height of Entourage, where I could sort of objectively be like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm living my dream like I'm on a hit show.
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  Speaker 2: This is popping off, this is all happening, great opportunities
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  Speaker 2: are coming, and I remember just feeling like this can't
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  Speaker 2: be it, this can't be all of it, Like this
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  Speaker 2: this was my biggest dream. So now that I'm here,
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  Speaker 2: how come I'm feeling so unfulfilled?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think you know, because being an actor
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  Speaker 2: or being in the arts, you are your product, right,
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  Speaker 2: So it's constantly a world of like me me me me, me, me, me, me, understandably,
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  Speaker 2: like it has to be you are the product. But
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  Speaker 2: at a certain point it was like it just wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 2: I felt deeply sort of depressed and unfulfilled, and I
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  Speaker 2: just didn't feel good. And it was at that moment
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  Speaker 2: that I had met John Prendergast, who sort of introduced
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  Speaker 2: me to I heard him speak, and that's where I
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  Speaker 2: got involved with like women in the Congo and learning
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  Speaker 2: all these things from you know, across the world, what's
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  Speaker 2: happening to women And I don't know. It just somehow
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  Speaker 2: gave me like something else and then it kind of
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  Speaker 2: just wet my palette for activism, and I guess I'm
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  Speaker 2: just really I consider myself to be an actor and
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  Speaker 2: an activist to things that I'm passionate about.
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  Speaker 3: You really live it.
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  Speaker 1: There's also like a Jewish principle to kuno lam Yes
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  Speaker 1: that I kept thinking about as I was reading about you.
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  Speaker 3: It's like for anybody who doesn't know, it's heal the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you kind of try every day to do
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  Speaker 1: as much as you can try.
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  Speaker 2: I try to do my part. Yeah, sometimes I'm much
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  Speaker 2: lazier than others.
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  Speaker 3: It looks good written down, but like in.
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  Speaker 2: My daily there's certainly more I could do, but at
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  Speaker 2: least I'm doing something.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm about to ask you a question that I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to work out in my own life, in my
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  Speaker 1: own mind. You were on Jimmy Kimmel and he said, Manuel,
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  Speaker 1: so you're Moroccan, You're Canadian, and you said, I'm French, Jewish,
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  Speaker 1: Moroccan and Canadian. I think to the average person, they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought of like they would have just moved on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I thought this is so interesting.
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  Speaker 1: That she made it a point on a very public
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  Speaker 1: stage to say I'm also.
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  Speaker 3: Jewish, and.
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  Speaker 1: Lately I have been trying to work out some of
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  Speaker 1: my own kind of inner stuff. I have not often
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  Speaker 1: publicly said that I am Jewish, and it's such an
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  Speaker 1: important part of who I am. Why have you always
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  Speaker 1: made it a point to publicly talk about your Jewish identity?
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  Speaker 2: That is so interesting because back at Jimmy Kimmel, I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't really overtly being like, I'm Jewish. I think I think, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So it's a okay. So that's a two part answer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the first part, as it retains to Jimmy Kimmel,
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  Speaker 2: I think what's really interesting is that when you know,
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  Speaker 2: you say to you're Moroccan, it's North Africa. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: and so if I were just to say I'm Moroccan,
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  Speaker 2: someone might assume that I'm Arabic or that I'm Muslim.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you say that you're French Moroccan or
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  Speaker 2: Spanish Moroccan, you can assume that you're Jewish. Now, not
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows that, but to me it was always as
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  Speaker 2: especially when it's a predominantly Arab country, right, So, and
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  Speaker 2: that I think was just because I heard it growing
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  Speaker 2: up all the time. So anybody ask I'm like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a French Jewish Moroccan, Like, that's what it is. As
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  Speaker 2: far as now being quite out there with the fact
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  Speaker 2: that I'm Jewish, is I think the having lost both
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  Speaker 2: of my parents and growing up in a way where
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  Speaker 2: Judaism was so important to them, and not in such
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  Speaker 2: the religious sense, but just as an identity, Like it
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  Speaker 2: was just a Jewish home, it was the food, it
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  Speaker 2: was the holidays, it was family, there was like a
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  Speaker 2: real connection. It's such a massive part of who I am.
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  Speaker 2: And so in addition to like this fury of anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism that's going on around the world, I just felt like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: now it's time to really speak up. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I speak up for everybody else, and now it's time
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  Speaker 2: to speak up for my people.
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  Speaker 1: I feel the same way, and it's something that I
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  Speaker 1: find so hard to do.
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  Speaker 3: It's so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it hard for you?
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to figure out. I know that.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing people like you has helped me a lot. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't just say that because you're sitting on this couch.
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  Speaker 2: Listen. I understand one hundred percent what you're saying. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that when you're raised sort of in that way,
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  Speaker 2: it's something that you carry with you. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you just you do until you're ready to shed it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like sort of picking those moments where it's important
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  Speaker 2: to sort of to speak up because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: we are so much more than those definitions. But there
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  Speaker 2: is also a pride of what we are, and I
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  Speaker 2: think it's just like finding that balance that's comfortable for you.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know?
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  Speaker 3: I think I really appreciate your being so vocal.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so things a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, You've definitely informed how I hope to proceed.
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  Speaker 2: Great. I love that.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get back to acting.
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  Speaker 1: I read that your brother paid for your acting classes
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  Speaker 1: when you were a kid. First of all, that's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Second of all, have you paid him back?
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to think I've paid him back in certain ways.
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  Speaker 3: You took him to a cool premiere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh many many. I've Whenever I can, like spoil
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  Speaker 2: my brother and my sister in like whatever perks come
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  Speaker 2: my way, I definitely do. But you know, listen, there's
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  Speaker 2: a constant gratitude besides him being for my acting classes.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my brother and my sister have just been
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  Speaker 2: so incredibly supportive of me from the beginning. And my
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  Speaker 2: brother in particular, he just always fell like this was
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  Speaker 2: what I was destined to do. He just was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: this is it. And when I dropped out of college,
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  Speaker 2: you know, my dad was freaking out, like he was
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  Speaker 2: so unhappy, and he was just like does she know
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  Speaker 2: what she's doing? And da da, and my brother was like,
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  Speaker 2: she does.
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  Speaker 3: She's gonna trust it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow. I know. I have a really good
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  Speaker 2: big brother and a great big sister too. We're really lucky.
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  Speaker 3: What inspired acting in the beginning, So.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was that kid like young young, like
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  Speaker 2: three four, that was a ham you know, at the
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  Speaker 2: at any function, a wedding, a bar mitzvah whatever. I'm
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  Speaker 2: like in dancing and there's a circle around me. And
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  Speaker 2: as a kid, super young, there was always like little
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  Speaker 2: you know, commercial agents that was like, ah, she should
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  Speaker 2: be in Tell Young TV and blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: And then and that was like one thing. It was
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  Speaker 2: like Okay, cute kid. And then I had the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to audition for a play at the local theater company
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  Speaker 2: in Unionville where I grew up and I got the
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  Speaker 2: part and it was the part of the baby Ghost
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  Speaker 2: and it was my first I know, I was the
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  Speaker 2: baby ghost. I should It was my first play, and
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  Speaker 2: it was like being a part of this community, like
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  Speaker 2: it was like a drug. I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: I have found it, like I'm in. And I remember
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  Speaker 2: I came home and I said to my dad like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you got to drive me to rehearsals, like this is
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  Speaker 2: what it's going to be. And I kind of never
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  Speaker 2: looked back. And funny enough, my mom she used to
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  Speaker 2: say that I would become an actress for the both
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  Speaker 2: of us. My mom is like she could be the
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  Speaker 2: character in a novel, like if you were to write
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  Speaker 2: this woman, you should just be like, there's no way
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  Speaker 2: that's real. So nobody gave me a hard time when
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  Speaker 2: I was like, this is what I want to do.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you're living it out for the two
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  Speaker 1: of you because it's it's sort of a legacy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially when the going gets tough.
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  Speaker 3: It's something to hold on to. For sure.
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  Speaker 1: You have the cutest headshot online from when you were seven,
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  Speaker 1: and you look the exact same.
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  Speaker 3: It is so wild, like your face.
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  Speaker 1: Is the exact same as your seven year old face,
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  Speaker 1: for those big brown eyes and the long eyelashes.
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  Speaker 3: It's so cute to see.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. It really is embarrassing.
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  Speaker 3: But no, it's not what would you consider your first
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  Speaker 3: big break.
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  Speaker 2: So there was different breaks for different chapters. Yeah, Like
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  Speaker 2: I would say my first first big break was a
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  Speaker 2: television show in high school that I auditioned for. It
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  Speaker 2: was a writing competition for It's the equivalent of Nickelodeon
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  Speaker 2: in Canada. It is called YTV. Okay, so YTV was
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  Speaker 2: doing this writing competition and the winner would get their
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  Speaker 2: pilot produced and they ended up casting from our theater
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  Speaker 2: department and our high school because our herschal looked like
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  Speaker 2: a mall, like it was a very you know, beautiful whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So I aught auditioned for that and like got the
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  Speaker 2: part of you know, the popular girl rock sand Donovan
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  Speaker 2: and everybody else thought that this other girl in school
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  Speaker 2: was going to get it. I got it. It was
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  Speaker 2: a big deal, the underdog. I was the underdog. But
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  Speaker 2: it was so interesting because that's how I got my
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  Speaker 2: first agent, you know, so like so that was like
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  Speaker 2: the first break, and then you know, there was just hustle, hustle, hustle.
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  Speaker 2: There was an absolute I'm quitting the business in my
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  Speaker 2: early twenties. I was like, oh yeah. I was like
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  Speaker 2: I'm done. I don't want to do this.
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  Speaker 1: The instability, the instability, the negativity.
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  Speaker 2: The pressure, the its like I'm not cut out for this.
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  Speaker 2: It's like really not cut out for.
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  Speaker 3: What were you gonna do? What were the options going
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  Speaker 3: through your mind?
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  Speaker 2: There actually wasn't even an option. I just ended up
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  Speaker 2: like taking a hiatus and I ended up practicing like
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  Speaker 2: martial arts. And I was seeing this therapist. This is incredible.
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  Speaker 2: I was seeing this therapist in Toronto who whose specialty
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  Speaker 2: was working with performers. Cool that was her thing. And
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  Speaker 2: I had gone to see her, and we worked together
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  Speaker 2: for a long long time, and I went to her
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  Speaker 2: being like, I think I want to quit. This has
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  Speaker 2: been like my dream forever, but I don't think I
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  Speaker 2: want to do this anymore. I really I think I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: And at the end of our you know, time together,
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  Speaker 2: she was like, well, I hate to tell you what,
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  Speaker 2: I really think that you need to continue this. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, what, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: Three thousand dollars and sixteen sessions later.
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  Speaker 2: What So I ended up taking your advice And then,
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  Speaker 2: funny enough, the next big break this is all part
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  Speaker 2: of the journey, was my brother had moved to Vancouver,
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  Speaker 2: and so I had spent some time in Vancouver, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a big industry in Vancouver, and I had an
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  Speaker 2: agent in Vancouver, and my first audition back was snow Day,
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  Speaker 2: which is you know, it was a huge paramount hit,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and that sort of catapulted me coming to the States.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And then like you know, being in the States doing things,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. There was some indie stuff, and then
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the next big break was Entrage, which was like two
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: thousand and fine.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I think you became a sex symbol overnight. It was wild, wild,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: like I feel like one day you must have gone
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to sleep being the Emmanuel that everybody from high school
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: knew that your family, and you woke up and like
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: every magazine was called like you had a real life switch.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: It was strange. It's weird though, because you know, when
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you're in it, you don't see it that way. And
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: maybe that's because you're you know, when you're like goal oriented,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: like and also too as an actor, especially when you're
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: like a trained actor, the last thing that you ever
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: want is to be just a pretty face, right, Like,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: so you're actively working against that, you know, And I
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: just was like not interested. I was like, this is
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a slippery slope. I'm an actor, and like there was
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: so many press stuff that I had turned down because
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, nope, this is not what Kate Winston
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: would do. I was very serious.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: How do you feel about that?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it would have mattered. Yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I mean I love that. I definitely have convictions. I
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: think it is great, But in hindsight, it probably wouldn't
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: have been a bad thing to just kind of, you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: let it do what it's going to do. Like it
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: didn't matter in my head. It just like if I
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: was going to do the cover of Maximum. I was
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: just going to be known as that girl. And I
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm never going to do that. Yeah, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: then like really it wouldn't have mattered, you know, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: so so anyway, so it sort of like happened because
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and I joined second season and then the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: creator of the show, Doug, he was just so amazing
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and he was so invested in the relationship of Ian Sloan.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And then like sort of over the course of the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: next couple of years, like it just started sort of
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: like happening where Doug had created this character that men
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: in particular were like obsessed with. They were just like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that's what I want my wife to be.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Well, women wanted to be and men wanted to date
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: this character.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: It's the weird thing.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I wonder what it was. I think I think.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It was how easy going she was really because she
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: would do like whatever, like she'd be like you would
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: be like you push her around, no, but she was
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: still like game, right.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: She could hang with the boys, she could hang with.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: The boys, she could do like, she could go out,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: she could party, she could be nasty, she could be
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: all the things and still like be like very together
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and you know, had her like thing going on. But
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: you know it was such a like we used to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: joke all the time. I was like, Doug, who is
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: this woman? Like she doesn't she does not exist. Let
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: me tell you. She was like unflappable and like, I'm sorry,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: there's no woman I know that is unflappable.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It's true, right, there was an element of like the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: cool yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I wonder if he modeled it after like this ideal
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: he had in his mind, but I think he must have.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to see him after this, so I'll ask,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: but I'll be like, by the way, who was she
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: to you?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Truly? I would love Yeah, I'll let you know.
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  Speaker 1: So you're filming this show about Hollywood, and then you're
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: living your life in Hollywood. The show was about that,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: but still so meta. It was so interesting. Did the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: scripts ever reflect your reality at all?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Rarely mine? Yeah, No, I was just along for the ride.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: There were some crazy storylines where a couple of times
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it's like that cannot be real. He was like, Oh,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you have no idea how real this is. But no,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I would say. I would say like for the guys,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: probably much more so for sure, you know, for me,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I really I was like just on the ride every day.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: It was just so every day at work was this
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: like moment of just like, wow, this is the most
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: fun ever.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It seemed like a lot of fun was the most
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: fun in twenty eighteen, you were quoted saying there shouldn't
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: be any shame about how we shot that show. All
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that is real and still exists in Hollywood. Do you
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: still feel that way.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: A million I would double down on it. I think
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that we've become so pc and you know, there was
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the me too moments, everything which it was necessary and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: had to happen. It doesn't mean that all those gnarly
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: things don't happens.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: And shining a light on those helps change it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I think so. But you know, when people have an
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: opinion about something and they use these words like misogynistic
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and you know, d D they just they they sort
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: of hang their hat on that, and I think that
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: that's not so accurate. Like the show, Sure it could
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: absolutely come across as misogynistic, not because the creator of
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: the show or whoever is involved wants to make a
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: misogynistic show. It was like, we are showing a slice
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: of life, an actual reality that is called Hollywood, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: it is so gnarly. And I mean, if you think
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: about it, like this is like just a tangent, but
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: like if you just think about the music business, like
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: if our show taken place in the music business, like
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: could you imagine no, no, it would be endless. It
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: would probably people would be like, no, we can't even
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: play that on television. I mean it's it's like hilarious
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: to me that people get so precious about it, because
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, well, clearly then you a are not
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: close to people in Hollywood or haven't lived in Hollywood,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: because sorry to tell you, but there's a lot of
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: shit that goes down a lot, a lot.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not even privy to most of it, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I hear stories.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So you have all of this experience on Hollywood sets
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: in audition rooms. Is there something that you used to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: put up with that you would never put.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Up with now? I think.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: It's less about putting up and more about how I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: present myself. Like now I refuse to go in if
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I don't feel ready, I just won't go in. Be like,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: why am I going to do this myself? Like, you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: thank god, I've been working this entire time. You know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: people know who I am. Like within the business, people
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: know who I am. It matters like if I'm going
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: to go in and tank, They're going to remember that
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: more than the girl they don't know that came in
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and tanked and so it's just sort of known with
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: my team with everything A. I don't have a photographic memory.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I really need time to work on my stuff. I
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: can't have ten pages the night before and then go
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: in like it just it won't happen. So that's in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that way, I just am like, no, like period, full stop,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: won't do it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Knowing yourself is something that only comes with time. Yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: was there a moment after Entourage that you felt like
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you could take a breath? Because acting, in particular, it's this,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like you said, you're the product, so it's such the grind.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Grind is the word you're always on and you're trying
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to get to the next thing so that you can
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: get to the next thing, and entrage happens.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: People really know your name, they know who you are.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Did you feel like you could take a bread or no?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: It was go time.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: It was go time. It was almost even harder when
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Entourage was over, because because Sloan had hit in such
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: a way, it was like people wanted that, and I
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, hell no. I mean I loved playing
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Sloan and I would do it again if there was
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: a reboot, I'd happily do that again. But when the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: show was done, I was like, oh no, no, no, no, uhh,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: there's so much work to be done here, and so
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: it was hard. So there was a lot of no's
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: when I first finished, and it was hard. It's awful,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it's awful, like it's necessary. It's so funny. Kevin Connolly,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: who played E, he once told me we have a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: joke because he always says that he should take five percent.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Because whenever I have like anything, I'm calling him.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you think about this? And he
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: he had said to me, he was like, you just
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: need to remember that no is the most powerful word
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood. I was just like, I think that's true.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, listen, I don't know what
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that means as far as like the scope of my career,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: but I do know that the year after Entourage, I
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: had to say no to so many things where people
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: just really wanted Son, like that's what they were after,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and that was hard. But then I kind of broke
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: that ironically, I think with The Mentalist. Interesting, Yeah, I
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: think you're right.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like this awesome, like psych cotic, like
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: crazy cool, passionate action y opportunity.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Right, because you did the zohun.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was that was during.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, it was during Interesting, which was.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: So fun, needless to say, Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: It was still somewhat in that realm a little bit.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think that the reality is that
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: when you're a certain age, especially then I was like
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: in my thirties, when you're a certain age and you
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: look a certain way, there is the I just got
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to stay on this train for a while.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: But within that I can make like fun choices like
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: the opportunity to work opposite Adam Sandler and the other
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: extraordinary comedians like actors.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that John Tatureau was my brother.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I still can't even I'm obsessed with him. I cannot
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: handle it. But just you know, that was just so fun.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Like so then you find that challenges like within that,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: it was like WHOA getting to get your real comedy
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: chops on with Adam Sandler, working on an accent, you know,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: getting to play Palestinian.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: That was a hard accent.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: It's a tough accent. Yeah, it's not obvious at all,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: uh huh. But it was so much fun.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: That's so cool. Yeah, so we just have some fun
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: rapid fire questions. Okay, I like rapid fire.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's something you've discovered about yourself recently that shocked.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Or impressed you.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Something that impressed me, Yeah, something that impressed you about yourself.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: About myself is that I am resilient. M h, Like
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: for real? I learned that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Can I actually ask you a question about that? Yeah?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: You said your dad passed nine years ago, and I
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: was thinking as you said that, that your career was exploding.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: So you're having this thing that you've always wanted and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: then one of the worst things in the world happen.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: How did you reconcile your life?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I think he just keep moving forward, you know. I
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: think the blessing was that when my dad was very sick,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I got to spend many months with him in Toronto.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So I was there and I was living with him
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: for a long time, and I was able to take
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: care of him. We were able to talk a lot
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and be together. I pulled out of a film because
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to be home. And I think too,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: he had seen so much of my success that it
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: was almost just like is you know to me, my
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: father was simply one of the most incredible humans on
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the planet Earth for real, And so there is just
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: that thing of like, I'm just going to keep going
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: and just keep making him proud because that's just what
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: he would have wanted. So I don't even think there
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: was such a conscious like reconciling. It was just like, Okay,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that happened, and this is continuing, and it's and sometimes
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: it's a blessing because you know, it's such a great
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: distraction to be busy, and other times you're just like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: oh God, I need a breath. But that's just life.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just one foot in front of you.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: That's it, one day at a time.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: What TV shows on TV right now that you'd want
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: to be in?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, right right now. I'll tell you. In
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the last year Mayor of Easttown, I haven't seen it,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: you must, okay, it was phenomenal Mayor of Easttown, the
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: one with John Deturo and Adam Scott. It was it's Severance.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I also haven't seen.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, and I love TV.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I can't believe you're stuffing me.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Severance, mayor of Easttown. Oh the morning
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: show me's so good? Oh go for it, go for it? Yeah,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: What is the best advice you've gotten along the way?
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: My high school prof. This is a game changer, also
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: part of my trauma, probably like later in life. He
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: was just like, you can't get by with just being cute,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: and that's just like here all the time.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: That yeah, from your parents too, though I don't even know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: and maybe it seems like it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: We were put to work. We were like at home,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: we were put to work. We could I mean, I
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: can clean better than anybody. I can clean vegetables, I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: can clean the house. I can. I mean, we were
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: put to work. So we're definitely like a very grounded bunch.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Is there a book that you've read that you think
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: everybody should read?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, The Alchemist Sidharta a novel under the Banner of Heaven.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Those are good ones. I haven't read the last one.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: One of the best novels.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we have a question everything card deck.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, I love.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: This, so feel free to pick which This is interesting
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: because I asked you this, what is the best?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I always think people pick the cards that they're meant
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to choose. What's the best advice someone has given you?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And how about the worst? Oh my god, and how
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: about the worst?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, part two of the best advice, like
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: you know when people say, like, what do you wish
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: your younger self had known?
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I swear to God, just relax because everything is
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: going to be okay.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I mean it sounds so basic, but like the level
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: of stress and anxiety and crying and can't eat because
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you're sick to your stomach because of whatever the hell's
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: going on in your life, it's like, oh my god,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: if I could just say that all back and just
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: be like, it's all gonna be okay.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: It seems to be the plague of a woman, Like
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I don't hear when I interview men, they don't talk
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: about that. Every woman in her twenties and thirties.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I talked about that. Oh yeah, it's I love it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: Oh I know.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And it's like it's such a good reminder because it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: like that thing like it's almost it's the most cliche,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: but which is when they say like like every day
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: you can just spend time just practicing being in the moment,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: there's just nothing more true. And the thing is, the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: iron is that like even in my work, like sometimes
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: when I'm say, for example, like I'm doing a scene
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm just not feeling it or I'm just like
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not connecting to it. I'm just sometimes you know whatever,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: sometimes things are off some stop, just stop and just
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: like what is happening right now? Can now just be
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: in that moment? Like shut out the noise, shut it
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: all out and just like be in the moment. And
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: it's like what's required as an actor, as a human,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: as a friend, as a partner. It's just everything is
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's amazing that you're in touch with that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I was in yoga and the teacher said last weekend,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: you've never lived through this moment before.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: So simple, I know, but so profound, so profound. Yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I ask everybody this is the last question. Okay, the
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: smartest is than you've ever made.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Packing up, leaving my family, moving.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: To LA It's a bet on yourself.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: It's a bet on myself. I dropped out of college
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: too well, terrifying, terrifying, that's decision I ever made.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I love your heart and hustle. You have this an
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: incredibly unique combination. It was cool to feel in person.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you, You're amazing.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: That was so fun, that was so easy to talk to.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: M H.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: All right, Today is a good day to have a
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: good day.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I'll see you next week
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: HM.