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Credlin | 5 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Hello Greenland Live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show. Steve Price filling in for Peter tonight,
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Speaker 1: and I'll be back with you at the same time
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Speaker 1: tomorrow night for our Friday show. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 1: on Predline tonight. Parliament's back. As we know and has
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Speaker 1: been reported. The shambles that is the now split coalition
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Speaker 1: has dominated the news. But while everyone has distracted, the
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Speaker 1: government is road testing the idea of harving the capital
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Speaker 1: gains tax discount on the sale of investment properties. Will
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Speaker 1: talk to Nicole Flint as part of our first panel
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Speaker 1: up tonight. Also on the program tonight in local Victorian politics,
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Speaker 1: and I'll have more to say about this shortly, the
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Speaker 1: selfish decision by the state Deputy Liberal Leader, former Sam
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Speaker 1: Groth to cause a two million dollar by election just
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Speaker 1: months out from the November poll in that state. We'll
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Speaker 1: catch up with Joel Bernie from the Jewish Affairs Council
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Speaker 1: as Australia welcomes Israeli President Isaac Hertzog this weekend amid
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Speaker 1: fears of violent protests, when New South Wales already revealing
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Speaker 1: that thousands of police will be needed on the streets,
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Speaker 1: plus shocking statistics from the Council of the Aging this
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Speaker 1: week that we should all be ashamed of one in
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Speaker 1: four older Australians, according to this report, are living in poverty.
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Speaker 1: Their CEO, Patricia Sparrow, will explain and more blowouts, delays
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Speaker 1: and cost overruns. Who's surprised for the snowy two point
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Speaker 1: zero project? When we'll all that end and at what cost?
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Speaker 1: But first talking of budget blowouts and waste. The broke
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Speaker 1: state Victorian government this week saw its much promoted rail
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Speaker 1: transport project, the so called Metro Tunnel, trap hundreds of
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Speaker 1: commuters on their way home in a train for two
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Speaker 1: hours because of a faulty overhead wire well. The Premier
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Speaker 1: de center Allen has now unloaded on the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 1: after Tuesday's interest rise decision.
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Speaker 2: Good a view about that.
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Speaker 3: I don't think working people and families should be bearing
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Speaker 3: the brunt and facing the risk of losing their job
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Speaker 3: to deal with some of the pressures that are being
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Speaker 3: experienced in the broader economy. Working people and families should
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Speaker 3: not be punished and should not have this threat of
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Speaker 3: unemployment needing to go up to deal with this issue.
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Speaker 1: Seriously, you can't make this stuff up here. We have
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Speaker 1: the worst premiere in Australia and probably the worst premier
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Speaker 1: in Victoria's history, including lecturing the independent head of the
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Speaker 1: Reserve Bank, Michelle Bullock, on economics, when she's been part
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Speaker 1: of a ten year old labor government that has driven
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Speaker 1: the Victorian economy into the ground, racking up the biggest
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Speaker 1: state debt in the nation, more debt than the combination
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Speaker 1: of New South Wales, Queensland and South Australia combined. Premier
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Speaker 1: Allen blasted the Bank, accusing the Bank's board of punishing
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Speaker 1: working people and talking about worrying most for families and
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Speaker 1: their impact on their ability to pay their bills. That
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Speaker 1: was the guts of her criticism. This from a politician
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Speaker 1: leading a government that every turn, because of their financial mismanagement,
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Speaker 1: has introduced a raft of taxes and charges on those
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Speaker 1: very same working families she's talking about. This has included
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Speaker 1: a real estate market crushing land tax that her government
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Speaker 1: called reform back in twenty twenty four, when the threshold
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Speaker 1: to pay land tax on any second property including businesses.
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Speaker 1: By the way, saw that threshold of the land value
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Speaker 1: drop from three hundred thousand dollars to fifty thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: scooping up three hundred and sixty thousand new taxpayers. I
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Speaker 1: mean serious, And she claims the Reserved Bank is punishing people.
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Speaker 1: What a joke. Then you have the vacant land tax,
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Speaker 1: the emergency services levy increases that will smash farming communities.
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Speaker 1: I could go on and on and on now, just
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Speaker 1: Alan didn't miss the board boss Michelle Bullock on the
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Speaker 1: way through, responding to some suggestions the RBA wants unemployment
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Speaker 1: to go up so inflation would go down, which I'm
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Speaker 1: sure is not something the RBA is actually wishing for.
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Speaker 1: She said, quote working people. There's that a motive title. Again,
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Speaker 1: working people and families should not be punished and should
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Speaker 1: not have this threat of unemployment needing to go up
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Speaker 1: to deal with this issue. Oh really, Well, what about
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Speaker 1: Premier having a good look in the mirror tomorrow morning
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Speaker 1: and asking yourself, has the outer control spending of your
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Speaker 1: government on unproven infrastructure projects had any effect on the
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Speaker 1: on the rate, on the fact that we have inflation
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Speaker 1: going through. What about your despised suburban rail loop project
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Speaker 1: or your little used Westgate tunnel project using highly paid
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Speaker 1: unionized workers from the corruptcy off MEU. Has that spending
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Speaker 1: had anything to do with driving up in inflation? Or
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Speaker 1: maybe go back and have another look in the mirror
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Speaker 1: at the thousands more public servants you've jammed into taxpayer
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Speaker 1: funded payroll with jobs for life by the way guaranteed.
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Speaker 1: Has that perhaps driven up inflation? Even your planned laws
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Speaker 1: forcing employers to allow their workers to work from home
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Speaker 1: two days a week by law, mind you you think
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Speaker 1: that might have had some impact, say on unemployment or
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Speaker 1: forcing businesses to get out of Victoria entirely. Given you
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Speaker 1: now feel qualified to run policy for the Central Bank,
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Speaker 1: how about a few home truths. As of the last
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Speaker 1: quarter of last year, Victoria's net debt was growing by
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Speaker 1: more than two million dollars an hour. Net debt between
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Speaker 1: June twenty four and June twenty five went up seventeen
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Speaker 1: point six billion, or forty eight million dollars a day.
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Speaker 1: And of course you have been part of a government
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Speaker 1: that spent millions of dollars not holding a Commonwealth games,
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Speaker 1: and right at the start of your government, millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars not building a road, and in the process lock
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Speaker 1: Victorians down harder and longer than anywhere else in the world.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you were out this week trying to
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Speaker 1: paint yourself as the champion of the down trodden being
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Speaker 1: attacked by evil bankers, someone asked you what your government
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Speaker 1: was doing to actually help these people.
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Speaker 3: You can only have a functioning economy if you've got
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Speaker 3: people who are healthy and well and have the opportunity
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Speaker 3: to get a great education. Free kinder gets kids off
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Speaker 3: to the best start in life. Free tape means people
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Speaker 3: can upskill. They're the areas that I am focused on
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Speaker 3: where we can support people to have access to great
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Speaker 3: public services to help save them time and money when
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Speaker 3: they do. But also there's a broader outcome here means
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Speaker 3: we're all more healthy.
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Speaker 1: Free tape in kindergarten, which I believe unless I'm wrong,
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Speaker 1: of federal initiatives. And then this Perla, given what happened
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Speaker 1: this week. Free public transport over summer. Look, it needs
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Speaker 1: to be free when you get trapped in a train
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Speaker 1: carriage for two hours on your way home from work. Look,
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Speaker 1: we all know what you're up to with this Reserve
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Speaker 1: Bank intervention. It's straight out of the Dan Andrews playbook.
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Speaker 1: It's called the November state election and you are reminding
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Speaker 1: people who don't pay a lot of attention to the
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Speaker 1: state of the books in Victoria that you are giving
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Speaker 1: them free stuff. So vote for me. Pretty cynical. Briefly,
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Speaker 1: still on Victorian politics, and the selfish state member for
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Speaker 1: the seat of the Pe and the former tennis player
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Speaker 1: Sam Groth, one time deputy Liberal leader and in my view,
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Speaker 1: stupidly seen as a potential future premier now growth this
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Speaker 1: week after promising not to dump on the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 1: show no regard for any of his former colleagues, and
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Speaker 1: he pulls the pin on an unremarkable short three year
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Speaker 1: political career. Now, tennis, as we all know, is an
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Speaker 1: individual sport, a selfish sport, and not a team event.
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Speaker 1: And Grotha decided to quit early despite these remarks on
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Speaker 1: the twenty ninth of January about his decision to quit
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Speaker 1: and whether that might cause a election.
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Speaker 4: Have a look, as I stand here right now, there
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Speaker 4: is a zero percent chance of me causing.
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Speaker 1: A by election in Japan because I don't have a
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Speaker 1: job on the table that I'm going to at the moment.
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Speaker 1: My intention is to serve out my term. All that
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Speaker 1: promise would have caused some celebration inside the Victorian Liberal Party,
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Speaker 1: given there is a state election in nine months in
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Speaker 1: November and they need to win sixteen seats, led by
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Speaker 1: their new leader, Jess Wilson. The joy was short lived
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Speaker 1: a week later yesterday here he is team player Sam,
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Speaker 1: putting out a statement confirming I'm off. It has been
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Speaker 1: an honor to serve the people in Opeon and I
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Speaker 1: sincerely thank them for the trust that they placed in
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Speaker 1: me for the opportunity to represent our community. He apparently
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Speaker 1: is about to start in a new job and presumably
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Speaker 1: is so important to the new boss he has to
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Speaker 1: start straight away and voters in his seat, me included,
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Speaker 1: will now have to vote twice this year, a by
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Speaker 1: election and then a state election. The Liberals have lost
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Speaker 1: this seat to lay before. The chances are with its
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Speaker 1: six point four percent margin and Labor not wanting to
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Speaker 1: head into an election with a swing against a Labor
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Speaker 1: candidate being interpreted as a vote of no confidence, and
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Speaker 1: just into Allen it probably will not even stand a
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Speaker 1: candidate the Labor Party. But the bad news for the
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Speaker 1: Libs and their deserting colleague doesn't end there. As we know,
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Speaker 1: one nation's on a surge of popularity, with the major parties,
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Speaker 1: particularly on the nose. I can just about see Pauline
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Speaker 1: Hanson and James Ashby rubbing their hands together in search
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Speaker 1: of an outstanding state candidate to stand in that by
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Speaker 1: election as a warm up to the state election where
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Speaker 1: they already promised to stand candidates in every seat. What
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Speaker 1: better way to start that process than causing damage or
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Speaker 1: even potentially winning the seat of Nepean. As for Sam Groth,
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Speaker 1: good luck with your new job. I hope what you've
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Speaker 1: done is worth it now if the landis US out
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Speaker 1: of canvas and your political reporter Treaty Macintosh joins.
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Speaker 5: US police have declared the attack on a Perth Invasion
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Speaker 5: Day rally as a terrorist act. A thirty one year
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Speaker 5: old man allegedly threw the homemade bomb at the crowd
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Speaker 5: on January twenty sixth in Perth, CBD.
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Speaker 1: Thankfully it did not detonate, but for that we could
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Speaker 1: have seen a mass casualty event. It took nine days
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Speaker 1: for the investigation to establish to a level of being
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Speaker 1: able to charge this person.
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Speaker 6: Who will be a difficult time for Indigenous Australians and
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Speaker 6: we stand with them at this time.
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Speaker 5: The Nationals leader has poured cold water on the idea
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Speaker 5: that one nation could help form a future coalition minority government.
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Speaker 1: Everyone just needs to take a cold share.
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Speaker 7: Paul In Hanson opened to a deal in the event
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Speaker 7: of a hung parliament at the next election.
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Speaker 2: So the fact is that.
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Speaker 8: I am a Conservative at heart and I would work
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Speaker 8: with them to give them supply. Would I join up
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Speaker 8: to the rabble that they are at the moment no
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Speaker 8: one in the wide world.
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Speaker 7: The more immediate issue remains the messy coalition divorce. No
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Speaker 7: sign of a reconciliation before Susan Lee self imposed deadline
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Speaker 7: of Monday to announce an all Liberal shadow cabinet.
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Speaker 1: But we don't want an arbitrary deadline that cuts this off.
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Speaker 7: We want to that's good will. Trudy McIntosh, Sky News Canberra, good.
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Speaker 1: On your treaty. Thanks for that. Let's get stuck in
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Speaker 1: join me now. Former Liberal MP Nicole Flint and Skye
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Speaker 1: News contributor Caroly Katz and Barnas. Nicole to you first,
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Speaker 1: You've been there and the treatment of you personally when
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Speaker 1: you're in Parliament wheres we well know, was appalling. You
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Speaker 1: have any sympathy for Sam Groth and his personal life's
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Speaker 1: been trauled over in the media he got overlooked for
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Speaker 1: the leader's job, Sympathy for him or should he have
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Speaker 1: stuck it out?
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Speaker 2: He certainly should have stuck it out. Steve. I am
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Speaker 2: not a fan at all of people.
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Speaker 9: Causing by elections, particularly when they're so close to an
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Speaker 9: actual election. It's a huge expense to taxpayers and also
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Speaker 9: unfairm is to have to vote twice so quickly. But
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Speaker 9: I do have enormal sympathy for Sam and more so
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Speaker 9: his family, for the deeply personal attacks that were directed
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Speaker 9: at them. It's all well and good to tug to
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Speaker 9: hold MPCE to account, but when it's personal attacks, and
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Speaker 9: particularly when it targets their families, it's deeply unfair. And
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Speaker 9: I believe this is one of the key reasons that
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Speaker 9: we see so many good people never put their hand
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Speaker 9: up because they don't want to expose themselves, their reputation,
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Speaker 9: and their families to un very undeserved and unfortunate and
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Speaker 9: quite frankly unfair media scrutiny.
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Speaker 1: And as I said, you know that better than most
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Speaker 1: people now. Caraly, surely if his new boss we don't
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Speaker 1: know what his new job is, surely his new boss
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Speaker 1: could have actually waited and come to some arrangement where
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Speaker 1: he could have started work in November. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: going to be a very expensive, two million dollar exercise.
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Speaker 10: Look at will and I echo Nicole's views as well.
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Speaker 10: What I will say is that you know, Sam Groth
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Speaker 10: made his decision not to contest the next election. I
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Speaker 10: also agree with you both that he shouldn't have done
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Speaker 10: it this way. But the other thing is Jess Wilson
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Speaker 10: is on a mission. What they need to do the
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Speaker 10: Victorian Liberal Party is find a really strong candidate with
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Speaker 10: a very good background that can really take the fight
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Speaker 10: up to this Victorian Labor government, which so many Victorians,
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Speaker 10: especially down on the Mornington Peninsula, just want to.
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Speaker 11: See the back of.
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Speaker 10: They've got to be very careful though, because while you
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Speaker 10: know Labor probably will not run a labor candidate, don't
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Speaker 10: be under any illusion they will be supporting a teal
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Speaker 10: perhaps Labor aligned so called independent, make no bones about that.
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Speaker 11: They will be doing that.
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Speaker 10: They need to focus on the issues the Victorian Liberal Party. Okay,
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Speaker 10: this is now yesterday's news. They've got nine months before
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Speaker 10: the next election. They need to get those policies out there,
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Speaker 10: find an appropriate candidate that can actually make a really
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Speaker 10: positive contribution and Adjess Wilson led coalition government. So someone
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Speaker 10: with a strong background, perhaps a strong tax background, a
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Speaker 10: strong economic background. As we know, Jess Wilson is currently
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Speaker 10: holding the portfolios of Shadow Treasurer and Leader of the Opposition,
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Speaker 10: massive portfolios. There needs to be someone that actually step
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Speaker 10: in there. And as you know, it's from your area.
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Speaker 10: The crime rates in Victoria are not going down Mornington Peninsula.
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Speaker 10: A lot of things going there. People in the local
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Speaker 10: area that you know you need the trust. But the
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Speaker 10: main game is don't worry about the minu shi take
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Speaker 10: it up to the Victorian government and make sure you
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Speaker 10: win this by election.
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Speaker 1: Nicole. Still on financing money, I mean it would appear
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Speaker 1: to me that Federal Labor have thrown out this idea
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Speaker 1: about halving the capital gains tax threshold down from fifty
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Speaker 1: percent down to twenty five percent. That's the way these
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Speaker 1: things work is you've floated out there, see what sort
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Speaker 1: of reaction you get, and it's probably going to end
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Speaker 1: up in the budget.
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Speaker 2: Look quite possibly, Stephen.
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Speaker 9: We know what Federal Labor is doing is desperately trying
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Speaker 9: to find money wherever they can to make up for
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Speaker 9: their appalling economic management. Their spending is the highest in
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Speaker 9: terms of a percentage of GDP that we've seen in
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Speaker 9: four decades, so in my lifetime. So they are desperate
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Speaker 9: to find money wherever they can. Naturally they always come
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Speaker 9: up to people who have worked hard to provide for
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Speaker 9: themselves and their families to take to try to grapple
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Speaker 9: back some bottom line for their budget, when we know
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Speaker 9: all they actually need to do is cut spending. But
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Speaker 9: you know your introduction, Steve, this is where the problem is.
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Speaker 9: They went to the last federal election promising that everything
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Speaker 9: would be free, free tay, free medicare you know more childcare?
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Speaker 9: Their spending was completely out of control. And what we
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Speaker 9: need to see is the federal opposition about themselves and
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Speaker 9: start talking about Labour's absolutely failed economic management.
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Speaker 1: Is there actually a federal opposition? I tell you why,
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Speaker 1: I reckon it's on the cards. Both of you. Have
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Speaker 1: a look at stumbling Richard Miles on television trying to
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Speaker 1: well tell us that I know there's nothing here, haven't look.
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Speaker 4: I've made this position clear in answering your question, and
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Speaker 4: as have ministers throughout the week, and we are we
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Speaker 4: do not have any Our position in relation to housing
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Speaker 4: policy is clear and we are not changing any of
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Speaker 4: the We don't have any intention to change the tax
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Speaker 4: arrangements around housing.
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Speaker 1: Early you can almost see his brain swimming around in
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Speaker 1: his head. I've never seen a worse response to a
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Speaker 1: direct question and that in a very long time.
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Speaker 10: Can I just say to you, I'm not that old.
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Speaker 10: You guys, aren't that old. Twenty nineteen Bill Shortened with the.
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Speaker 11: Big red bus. These were exactly the.
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Speaker 10: Policies that Bill Shorten ran on and they were rejected
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Speaker 10: by the Australian electorate. And the other thing I've got
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Speaker 10: to say is that you know, the Reserve Bank Governor
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Speaker 10: Michelle Bullock, she's actually doing.
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Speaker 11: Herself a disservice.
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Speaker 10: She needs to use everyday language to call out this
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Speaker 10: government spending which is leading to inflation, because nearly every
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Speaker 10: economist in Australia has called it out, and by her
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Speaker 10: not calling it out, ironically, in my mind and many
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Speaker 10: people's mind, she's almost reinforcing.
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Speaker 11: That she's got something to hide.
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Speaker 10: She's giving Jim Chalmers and the government even more wriggle
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Speaker 10: room not to actually attack the elephant in the room
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Speaker 10: with their spending. And as you and I, as we
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Speaker 10: all know, you know whenever.
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Speaker 11: Rates go up. It is the biggest shift of.
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Speaker 10: The generational wealth driver because older people traditionally have more
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Speaker 10: savings that they can fall back on, whereas younger Australians.
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Speaker 11: Don't actually have it, and it actually creates that huge shift.
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Speaker 10: I don't know why Michelle Bullock isn't actually calling it out,
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Speaker 10: because that, in my mind, would reaffirm more independence of
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Speaker 10: the Reserve Bank. Why is she giving the illusion that
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Speaker 10: she's trying to hide and keep in good with the
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Speaker 10: with the alban Easy government. Why. I mean, we saw
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Speaker 10: what we saw the legacy of doctor Philip Lowe.
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Speaker 11: We saw that completely diminish. She can't be afraid call
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Speaker 11: it out for what it is.
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Speaker 10: If you don't tell the Australian public and the Australian
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Speaker 10: government to stop this government spending, then it's actually not
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Speaker 10: going to change because they think that they can get
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Speaker 10: away with it scott free as we've just seen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and every state government's doing exactly the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Carole and Nicole. Great to catch up with you both again,
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Okay, I want to move on
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Speaker 1: now to the security concerns that police have now identified
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Speaker 1: ahead of the visit to Australia by Israel's President Isaac
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Speaker 1: Hertzog Now authorities of all Jewish leaders that they have
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Speaker 1: serious concerns over their their ability, the police's ability to
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Speaker 1: keep the Jewish community members safe at events that are
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Speaker 1: linked to this trip. Joining me on the line the
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Speaker 1: executive manager for the Australian Israel Jewish Affairs Council, Joel Bernie. Joel,
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Speaker 1: thanks for your time. I've got to ask there are
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Speaker 1: fears violent extremists could exploit these protests and Jewish community members.
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Speaker 1: How worried are you about that that this visit could
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Speaker 1: actually turn violent?
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Speaker 12: Well, thank you, Steve. Well, I'm obviously very worried, and
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Speaker 12: I tell you why I'm worried because my community has
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Speaker 12: experienced growing and increasingly violent events and actions against it
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Speaker 12: since the massacre of October seven, twenty twenty three. This
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Speaker 12: is something that we are unfortunately becoming a little bit
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Speaker 12: used to where certain members of the Australian public think
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Speaker 12: that it is reasonable to criticize, to attack, and to
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Speaker 12: use violent threats against Jewish people for what they think
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Speaker 12: is going on in the Middle East. And who would
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Speaker 12: have thought step in this great country and great nation
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Speaker 12: of ours, that after the horrific terror attack of the
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Speaker 12: fourteenth of December last year, which targeted Jewish people and
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Speaker 12: ended up in the innocent massacre of fifteen people, that
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Speaker 12: things in this country could even get worse from there.
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Speaker 12: We're at a point now where I watched the New
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Speaker 12: South Wales Police commissioner very very concerned about his inability
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Speaker 12: to protect a segment of Australian society. This is a
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Speaker 12: terrible indictment as to where we are in this nation,
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Speaker 12: and it's incumbent on leaders to stand firm or not
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Speaker 12: only welcoming President Herzog in the spirit that his invitation
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Speaker 12: was intended, but to use whatever means possible to make
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Speaker 12: sure that the streets of Australia are safe for everybody.
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Speaker 1: Or somebody suggesting I mean there could be as many
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Speaker 1: as three thousand police needed to be called out in
20:57
Speaker 1: New South Wales. No, I've never I don't recall hearing
21:00
Speaker 1: and I've been around a long time the most senior
21:03
Speaker 1: police official of any state alerting a group that you
21:09
Speaker 1: might not be safe. I mean, isn't the job of
21:12
Speaker 1: the police to keep people safe?
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Speaker 12: Not only is their job, and I have full faith
21:17
Speaker 12: that they're trying with all the resources that they have
21:19
Speaker 12: to do the right thing, that I am sure of.
21:22
Speaker 12: But if you look at their concern, what it is
21:25
Speaker 12: essentially saying is that these protesters, it's not the message
21:29
Speaker 12: of their protests that they are concerned about. It's the
21:32
Speaker 12: tactics that they are employing during their protests, such as
21:35
Speaker 12: their violent hate speech and rhetoric, but also the probability
21:39
Speaker 12: that the movement and behavior of these protests turn violent.
21:43
Speaker 12: So if you've had we've had a proud history of
21:46
Speaker 12: pre speech and protests in this country, walking down streets,
21:51
Speaker 12: chanting flyers, what have you, that's one thing. But the
21:54
Speaker 12: idea that Jewish people are not going to be able
21:57
Speaker 12: to be protected or potentially not safe in the country
22:00
Speaker 12: that they are a part of because of some attachment
22:03
Speaker 12: to what's going on thousands of kilometers away, should not
22:06
Speaker 12: only raise fears inside my community, which it obviously does,
22:10
Speaker 12: but it shows that this nation has moved and progressed
22:13
Speaker 12: to an area that I don't think that the fair
22:15
Speaker 12: twenty six million people of this great country are proud of.
22:18
Speaker 12: We need to unite together, arm in arm after the
22:22
Speaker 12: horrific events of BONDEI and say enough is enough. We
22:25
Speaker 12: want the violence off the streets. We want the violent
22:28
Speaker 12: rhetoric off the streets, and we want every Australian to
22:31
Speaker 12: feel protected, to feel secure without the anxiety of thinking
22:34
Speaker 12: that people are coming after them.
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Speaker 1: Well, Joel, on that very point, we've even got a
22:40
Speaker 1: New South Wales Upper House Labor MPs intending to go
22:43
Speaker 1: to these protests around the visit of Hertzong. Ever listened
22:49
Speaker 1: to this Upper House imp from New South Wales.
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Speaker 13: He's a ceremonial head of state, but he still occupies
22:55
Speaker 13: a position of unique responsibility and authority. He deliberately the
23:00
Speaker 13: distinction between combatant and civilian. Many many people died after
23:05
Speaker 13: he did that. I think those are parts of the
23:07
Speaker 13: reasons why he's been found to have insighted genocide. Is
23:10
Speaker 13: this really someone that we want in our country?
23:14
Speaker 1: No, he's accusing the president of inciting genocide. What do
23:18
Speaker 1: you say, Joel, to these people like that? I mean,
23:21
Speaker 1: and as well as him, you've got other senior MPs,
23:27
Speaker 1: including Ed Husick, saying the President shouldn't come here.
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Speaker 12: Very simply, to all of your audience far and wide,
23:34
Speaker 12: they have got it wrong. Let me repeat it, they
23:37
Speaker 12: have got it wrong. They attached this claim to a
23:40
Speaker 12: press conference that was given a couple of weeks after
23:42
Speaker 12: the massacre in twenty twenty three, before any troops were
23:46
Speaker 12: in the ground in Gaza. They have completely misquoted the president.
23:50
Speaker 12: They have completely They haven't even looked at the rest
23:52
Speaker 12: of the press conference and the answers that he gave
23:56
Speaker 12: to contextualize his previous comments. They got it wrong and
24:00
Speaker 12: relying on misinformation. They will not check, They will not
24:04
Speaker 12: do a Google search because, ultimately, Steve, they don't want to.
24:08
Speaker 12: And these are the same people that would roll out
24:11
Speaker 12: the red carpet if Ayatola Harmani was invited here after
24:14
Speaker 12: butchering fifty thousand of his own people. Where are the
24:17
Speaker 12: protests for the Iranians? Where are the good, fair minded left,
24:21
Speaker 12: intersectionalized left that have traumatized the Jewish community for over
24:24
Speaker 12: two years due to their desire to be humanitarian worriers?
24:31
Speaker 12: Where is their humanity for anyone else? This is seen
24:34
Speaker 12: by our community is exactly what it is. It is
24:36
Speaker 12: a deep, deep hatred of Jews in this country that
24:40
Speaker 12: has been permissible and public for the past two and
24:42
Speaker 12: a bit years, and it culminated in the execution of
24:45
Speaker 12: fifteen people on the beaches of Bondai Beach. Enough is enough.
24:50
Speaker 12: This is a great visit for the harmony of the
24:54
Speaker 12: Jewish people who have suffered so much over such a
24:57
Speaker 12: short period of time in this country. The President is
25:00
Speaker 12: coming here to embrace, to give warmth and to give
25:03
Speaker 12: solidarity to this community. That is clear for all Australians
25:06
Speaker 12: to see, and this small minority of people that are
25:10
Speaker 12: causing such ruckus on the streets. It has to start.
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Speaker 1: Joel. Let's hope everyone keeps safe right through it. Thanks
25:18
Speaker 1: for joining us tonight, Joel. Bernie there just for I
25:21
Speaker 1: go to a break. I wanted to reference that breaking
25:25
Speaker 1: news this afternoon which I sat and watched on Sky,
25:29
Speaker 1: the media conference out of South Australia and the revelations
25:32
Speaker 1: about the search for that gorgeous looking missing toddler, Gus Lamont.
25:37
Speaker 1: Now Well police have confirmed the four year old's parents
25:41
Speaker 1: are not suspects, and I must tell you that that's
25:44
Speaker 1: exactly what they said. They have said somebody who lived
25:47
Speaker 1: at the property is now a suspect. Have a look.
25:51
Speaker 14: The search for Gus was based on him walking off
25:55
Speaker 14: from Oak Park station and becoming lost. This is one
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Speaker 14: of three investigation options that have been explored. The other
26:04
Speaker 14: two investigation options are focused on Gus being abducted or
26:09
Speaker 14: whether someone known to him was involved in his disappearance.
26:14
Speaker 14: As well as that today, I'm also declaring the disappearance
26:18
Speaker 14: of Gus Lamont to be a major crime.
26:23
Speaker 1: Look, it's such a dreadful story and that update was
26:27
Speaker 1: so dramatic. I mean, let's hope it now signals an
26:30
Speaker 1: outcome for the parents and answers about what happened to
26:33
Speaker 1: that little boy's disappearance. We need to know some answers,
26:36
Speaker 1: all right. Coming up more on the Conservative pressure cooker
26:39
Speaker 1: in camera. Could it get any worse for Susan Lee.
26:41
Speaker 1: She's reportedly been urged by former Prome Minister John Howard
26:45
Speaker 1: to get the coalition back on track. We'll dive into
26:47
Speaker 1: that and more after the break. Welcome back to Steve Price
26:55
Speaker 1: in for Peter Tonight. A simple question for you, are
26:57
Speaker 1: we doing enough to support Australia's older generations? I'd say no,
27:01
Speaker 1: and a new report says that as well. Will delve
27:03
Speaker 1: into that very shortly. But now to the ongoing tension
27:06
Speaker 1: with the broken coalition. Insiders Tonight reportedly urging Opposition leader
27:11
Speaker 1: Susan Lee to try and make the separation from the
27:14
Speaker 1: NATS permanent. Can you believe it? The former Prome Minister
27:17
Speaker 1: John Howard, wide in today and when he speaks people listen,
27:20
Speaker 1: reportedly urged Susan Lee to make concessions and prioritize reforming
27:25
Speaker 1: the coalition. He's stressed that the internal disputes risk of
27:29
Speaker 1: permanent Conservative split. Join us now, Shadow Attorney General and
27:34
Speaker 1: Member for Fisher Andrew Wallace. Andrew, thanks for joining us
27:37
Speaker 1: on the program. When you're here, when you've got John
27:40
Speaker 1: Howard telling you to get your act together, you should listen,
27:43
Speaker 1: shouldn't you.
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Speaker 6: Well, of course we always listen to our former leaders,
27:49
Speaker 6: in particular the great Man John Howard, Australia's second longest
27:54
Speaker 6: serving prime minister. When he talks, we should listen. But
27:57
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, look, we've got to
28:01
Speaker 6: get the coalition back together. We are better, we're stronger together.
28:05
Speaker 6: This is a hopeless government, hopeless alban Esi government, and
28:09
Speaker 6: the best way to be able to hold them to
28:11
Speaker 6: account is if we do reform the coalition. I'm a coalitionist,
28:15
Speaker 6: as are many of my colleagues. You know, there may
28:19
Speaker 6: be some people who think that a time a part
28:23
Speaker 6: might be a good thing. But look, at the end
28:26
Speaker 6: of the day, it's not as though we're blessed with
28:29
Speaker 6: so many numbers in the House of Representatives, Steve. We
28:32
Speaker 6: need to have all of our people on the park
28:35
Speaker 6: and taking the fight up to labor and the best
28:38
Speaker 6: way to do that is through a coalition.
28:42
Speaker 1: Andrew, I watched Question Tom all this week and what
28:45
Speaker 1: really depressed me about it was the government is now
28:48
Speaker 1: so full of hubris. They're treating your side of politics
28:53
Speaker 1: like a joke. So they get up to answer questions
28:56
Speaker 1: and someone's written a clever line for each of the
28:59
Speaker 1: minister to have a whack about the coalition and getting
29:02
Speaker 1: the band back together and all that sort of rubbish.
29:05
Speaker 1: It means that you're not able to hold them to account. Honestly,
29:10
Speaker 1: I think they're getting away with so much that the
29:13
Speaker 1: public need fixed.
29:18
Speaker 6: Yeah, looks Steve, I agree with it to some point.
29:21
Speaker 6: I mean, the reality is that Anthony Albanesi, Tony Burke
29:26
Speaker 6: and co. Since they won the election in twenty and
29:30
Speaker 6: twenty two have always had that hubristic approach, that holier
29:37
Speaker 6: than our approach that really just continues to mock anybody
29:43
Speaker 6: who has a different view to them.
29:45
Speaker 1: That's their style. So this is not a new thing.
29:49
Speaker 15: I think if you.
29:50
Speaker 6: Go back and look at how they've conducted themselves in
29:52
Speaker 6: question time over the years, over the last four years,
29:57
Speaker 6: you'd agree with me on that. So I don't think
29:59
Speaker 6: this is new, but certainly the hubris is increasing. Look,
30:06
Speaker 6: the reality, of course, Steve, is that we've got to
30:10
Speaker 6: get the coalition back together. I'm doing everything i can.
30:13
Speaker 6: I'm talking to my friends in the National Party. I've
30:17
Speaker 6: spent the last couple of days talking with them. I
30:20
Speaker 6: think there's good intention, there's good faith on both sides
30:25
Speaker 6: to try and make this work because we all know
30:28
Speaker 6: that at the end of the day, we can't win
30:31
Speaker 6: an election when we're on our own in either the
30:33
Speaker 6: Liberal Party or the National Party, and that we need
30:37
Speaker 6: to get back together if we don't.
30:39
Speaker 1: Get the show.
30:43
Speaker 6: Look, the stumbling block is the issue of the reinstatement
30:48
Speaker 6: of the three National Party shadow cabinet senators that effectively
30:54
Speaker 6: broke shadow cabinet solidarity. They acknowledge that in their resignation
30:59
Speaker 6: letters there needs this is a break, a breach of
31:04
Speaker 6: centuries off Westminster convention. You run an opposition in the
31:10
Speaker 6: same way that you want to run government, and you
31:13
Speaker 6: can't just break from centuries old convention that says that
31:20
Speaker 6: the decisions of the shadow cabinet or the cabinet are
31:23
Speaker 6: binding on all of those members. If you can't agree
31:27
Speaker 6: to the outcome of those discussions that you have in
31:31
Speaker 6: cabinet or shadow cabinet, then as a member of that group,
31:35
Speaker 6: you have to resign. That's the reality of it. Just
31:37
Speaker 6: like Julian Lisa did on the Voice, he did the
31:40
Speaker 6: right thing. He effectively sat out of shadow cabinet for
31:43
Speaker 6: eighteen months. Susan Lee was offering the three senators six months.
31:51
Speaker 6: This hopefully should cooler head should prevail and we should
31:56
Speaker 6: get down to a matter of negotiation. Hopefully that the
32:00
Speaker 6: Nats will. The ball is in their court. I know
32:03
Speaker 6: that they met as a party room this afternoon. They
32:06
Speaker 6: need to be able to come back to the Liberal
32:08
Speaker 6: Party and say, well, all right, we accept X whatever
32:13
Speaker 6: that is, and we can There needs to be some
32:16
Speaker 6: degree some form of sanction for breaching shadow cabinet solidarity.
32:23
Speaker 1: Otherwise they wouldn't have resigned.
32:24
Speaker 6: They knew that they'd done the wrong thing and they
32:27
Speaker 6: needed to resign.
32:29
Speaker 1: They did that.
32:30
Speaker 6: The Susan Lee accepted their resignation. If you don't have
32:35
Speaker 6: some form of sanction, then everybody in shadow cabinet would
32:38
Speaker 6: just go off and do their own thing, and clearly
32:40
Speaker 6: that is untenable.
32:44
Speaker 1: Well, those three obviously made it clear they're not going
32:46
Speaker 1: to do that. But look, while this is all going on,
32:49
Speaker 1: of course you've got the resurgence of one nation, which
32:52
Speaker 1: you know only too well. How worried are you about
32:56
Speaker 1: what one nation numbers are looking like? And you even
33:01
Speaker 1: had poorly En Hanson telling Chris Kenny last night that
33:04
Speaker 1: she would contemplate going to some sort of coalition arrangement
33:08
Speaker 1: with the NATS and the Liberal Party. I mean, in
33:11
Speaker 1: your area, are you feeling a one nation explosion of support?
33:18
Speaker 6: Well, I wouldn't put it. I wouldn't call it an
33:20
Speaker 6: explosion of support. I think that people are very angry
33:24
Speaker 6: with Anthony Albanezi. They understand instinctively that their quality of life,
33:30
Speaker 6: their standard of living, has dropped immeasurably under this government.
33:34
Speaker 6: They feel like they're being punched down by their government
33:38
Speaker 6: that is supposed to be there to support them. I've
33:42
Speaker 6: got people who are calling me, emailing me saying that
33:45
Speaker 6: they're now having to work two three more jobs just
33:48
Speaker 6: to be able to pay the mortgage, pay the outrageous
33:54
Speaker 6: energy bills, and they're getting tired, they're getting angry, so
33:58
Speaker 6: they're angry at them, and look understandably, they're also angry
34:03
Speaker 6: at us as a form of coalition. They're angry at
34:06
Speaker 6: us because we're seen to be no longer holding the government's.
34:11
Speaker 1: Feet to the fire. That's a perception.
34:14
Speaker 6: I mean, at the end of the day, I am
34:16
Speaker 6: doing everything I can as.
34:17
Speaker 1: It looks like it's a reality Liberal Party, Well, well
34:22
Speaker 1: it looks like it's a reality. It is a reality.
34:24
Speaker 6: You know, it is a reality, Steve that we are
34:28
Speaker 6: continuing to keep the government's feet to the fire. We've
34:32
Speaker 6: got to do that because Australians are hurting. They want
34:36
Speaker 6: You can't have a good government without good opposition.
34:41
Speaker 1: Very true, that's a very true word. Andrew Wallace, thank
34:43
Speaker 1: you very much for joining us. Now, coming up after
34:45
Speaker 1: the break I mentioned there's a new report suggesting baby
34:48
Speaker 1: boomers are no longer living the dream, but are beset
34:52
Speaker 1: by financial ageism and woes bust the weight for an
34:56
Speaker 1: age care base that's blown out for years. That's coming
34:59
Speaker 1: up next. Welcome back, Andrew Bold. Coming up shortly now
35:06
Speaker 1: I want to talk to about this national research that
35:08
Speaker 1: was released during the week. It really bulldoze as that
35:12
Speaker 1: stereotype that all older Australians are swimming in money. It
35:15
Speaker 1: was the twenty twenty five State of the Older Nation
35:17
Speaker 1: Report suggests that the narrative's wrong, and it disturbingly said
35:22
Speaker 1: it could be one in four older Australians actually living
35:26
Speaker 1: in poverty and they are also being subject to ageism,
35:29
Speaker 1: loneliness and cost to live in pressures. The chief executive
35:33
Speaker 1: of the group that put that together, the Council of Aging,
35:36
Speaker 1: Patricia Sparrow, joins us. Patricia, thank you very much for
35:39
Speaker 1: your time. I read the report during the week. I
35:43
Speaker 1: must say it didn't surprise me, but when you see
35:45
Speaker 1: it in black and white and you realize what a
35:48
Speaker 1: rich country we're in, how can we be treating our
35:51
Speaker 1: older Australians like that?
35:54
Speaker 15: And I think that's why the report's really important.
35:57
Speaker 16: I think some people do know that many older Australia
36:00
Speaker 16: are struggling, but this report is a nationally representative survey
36:04
Speaker 16: and we can now say that one in four older
36:06
Speaker 16: people are living in poverty and we hope that does
36:08
Speaker 16: put to rest that myth that all of the baby
36:12
Speaker 16: boomers are wealthy. It's really important that we address intergenerational equity,
36:17
Speaker 16: but we also need to make sure that within generations,
36:19
Speaker 16: people who are struggling are getting the support that they need.
36:22
Speaker 16: And it's really important that we have this conversation. Doing
36:25
Speaker 16: stereotypes means that we don't have the nuanced conversations and
36:28
Speaker 16: we're not clear about what needs to happen. And so
36:30
Speaker 16: we hope that the report helps to bust the myth
36:33
Speaker 16: and get us focused on what really needs to happen
36:35
Speaker 16: for people of all ages, including older people who are
36:37
Speaker 16: living in poverty.
36:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a baby boomerom, when I get sick and
36:42
Speaker 1: tired of being targeted that way and talked about in
36:44
Speaker 1: that way, I mean, I'm fine, Obviously I don't have
36:47
Speaker 1: a problem, but I know plenty of people in the
36:49
Speaker 1: region where I live. There are reports, and I live
36:53
Speaker 1: in a pretty well off area of women sleeping in
36:57
Speaker 1: cars because they can't afford to put a roof over
36:59
Speaker 1: their head.
37:01
Speaker 16: It's true that older women are now one of the
37:04
Speaker 16: fastest growing groups at risk of homelessness.
37:06
Speaker 15: Which is a shocking thing to hear.
37:08
Speaker 16: It's often off the back of a marriage breakdown, but
37:12
Speaker 16: also women still face there's still some gender inequality. Women
37:16
Speaker 16: tend to work, retire earlier with less retirement income. If
37:20
Speaker 16: they've had a marriage breakdown, they often find themselves yet
37:22
Speaker 16: sleeping in cars or CouchSurfing, and it's really something that
37:25
Speaker 16: we need to address and make sure that those people
37:27
Speaker 16: are getting the support they need and able to be
37:30
Speaker 16: living in affordable and safe housing.
37:34
Speaker 9: Yeah.
37:34
Speaker 1: I mean, the federal government likes to talk about how
37:37
Speaker 1: much it's doing for people who are doing it tough,
37:39
Speaker 1: and you know, free tape and cutting back student dead
37:44
Speaker 1: I don't hear enough of what they're doing for older Australians.
37:49
Speaker 16: And I think you know that the report did actually
37:51
Speaker 16: show that about half of the people that we surveyed
37:55
Speaker 16: actually don't feel that society values them in the same
37:59
Speaker 16: way that they were valued when they were younger, and
38:01
Speaker 16: about the same proportion don't think that government policies are
38:04
Speaker 16: addressing their needs, needs and the issues that they're facing.
38:08
Speaker 16: And so we hope that this report actually really puts
38:10
Speaker 16: forward what the true situation is and that we don't
38:13
Speaker 16: hide behind the stereotypes of myths and we start having
38:16
Speaker 16: a real conversation about what policy is needed and what
38:18
Speaker 16: do we need to do.
38:19
Speaker 15: We've called for a ten year plan for an aging.
38:22
Speaker 16: Australia that faces up to the fact that we are
38:24
Speaker 16: an aging country, and that we look across all of
38:27
Speaker 16: the areas that impact on an older person's life, whether
38:29
Speaker 16: that be housing, whether that be health, employment, and we
38:33
Speaker 16: talked about agism. We see agism from the age of
38:36
Speaker 16: fifty up, particularly in employment, but also in healthcare and
38:40
Speaker 16: other services. So we want to make sure that there
38:42
Speaker 16: is a plan and that we systematically look at what
38:46
Speaker 16: types of agism are still existing. It might be in
38:48
Speaker 16: a law, it might be in a regulation, and how
38:50
Speaker 16: do we make sure that we are addressing that and
38:53
Speaker 16: removing barriers for older people's participation and being able to
38:56
Speaker 16: contribute to the community as much as possible.
39:00
Speaker 1: Natricia, we know there were big changes on November one.
39:02
Speaker 1: I'm about to enter that long dark tunnel of trying
39:05
Speaker 1: to get my ninety one year old mother obsessed for
39:07
Speaker 1: in home care. Those changes for the camera made I'm
39:12
Speaker 1: told assessment for that can take anywhere from a month
39:15
Speaker 1: to six months, but getting the package for a provider
39:17
Speaker 1: to actually use that it can take a year or more.
39:21
Speaker 1: I mean, how can that be for someone who's in
39:23
Speaker 1: their nineties.
39:25
Speaker 17: Yeah.
39:26
Speaker 16: No, we don't think that anybody should actually be waiting
39:29
Speaker 16: for longer than thirty days. People don't put their hand
39:32
Speaker 16: up and I hope your search goes well for your mother.
39:34
Speaker 16: I mean, people don't put their hand up for assistance
39:36
Speaker 16: until they really really need it, and then they're struck
39:38
Speaker 16: with the waight time to be assessed and then the
39:41
Speaker 16: waight time to get a service, and so there needs
39:44
Speaker 16: to be more investment. There needs to be enough packages
39:46
Speaker 16: in the system that when people need support.
39:48
Speaker 15: At home they can get it.
39:50
Speaker 16: It's for that older person, it's also for the support
39:53
Speaker 16: network around them. We sometimes hear stories where family members
39:57
Speaker 16: are leaving employment to make sure that mom and dad
40:00
Speaker 16: are fine and can live as independently as possible. So
40:03
Speaker 16: we need to make sure there are enough packages in
40:04
Speaker 16: the system that nobody Our view is that nobody should
40:07
Speaker 16: be waiting for longer than thirty days from the time
40:09
Speaker 16: they're assessed to the time they're able to get the
40:11
Speaker 16: support that they need. So it's not good enough, and
40:13
Speaker 16: we need to make sure that there's a focus and
40:15
Speaker 16: investment to get that resolved.
40:18
Speaker 1: Are the delays based on lack of finance or the
40:23
Speaker 1: delays based on lack of staff. What's causing this clog up.
40:28
Speaker 16: I think there's a couple of things going on. I
40:30
Speaker 16: think there is not enough packages in the system, and
40:33
Speaker 16: that's why we need to make sure that new packages
40:35
Speaker 16: are being put in. And a package is just an
40:38
Speaker 16: amount of funding that people can use to get a
40:41
Speaker 16: range of services that they need to help them live
40:43
Speaker 16: independently at home. Might be assistance with showering, it might
40:46
Speaker 16: be some domestic assistance, so it's a wrap around of
40:50
Speaker 16: these are the things that we need to support us
40:52
Speaker 16: at home. There needs to be more of those packages
40:54
Speaker 16: in the system. We do know, particularly in the past,
40:57
Speaker 16: there have been some issues with providers not having enough staff.
41:00
Speaker 16: That seems to be or providers are telling us that's
41:02
Speaker 16: easing in some areas, but it's not even around the country,
41:05
Speaker 16: so sometimes you might have a compounding effect and maybe
41:09
Speaker 16: in regional areas we hear sometimes people are waiting too
41:12
Speaker 16: because there's just not enough staff. But the key thing
41:14
Speaker 16: is we need to make sure there are enough packages
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Speaker 16: in the system to meet the needs. And has said
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Speaker 16: people don't put the hand up until they need help,
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Speaker 16: and they shouldn't be waiting for more than a year,
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Speaker 16: ending up potentially in residential care where they don't want
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Speaker 16: to be, maybe ending up in hospital, and some people
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Speaker 16: actually die waiting for care that never comes.
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Speaker 15: So we need to do much much better.
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Speaker 16: And our view and what we'll be advocating for is
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Speaker 16: that it needs to happen within thirty days.
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Speaker 1: Tricia, great to catch up with. You're well done on
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Speaker 1: the report. Thank you very much. It's a very important
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Speaker 1: topic and we need to continue to talk about it
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Speaker 1: now coming up after the break, Donald Trump, Well, he's
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Speaker 1: again warning around to be very worried after plan talks
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Speaker 1: between the two countries nearly collapse. So how will that
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Speaker 1: play out? Our final panel up nextcome. Let's get straight
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Speaker 1: into the issues here and overseas. Our panel tonight, joining
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Speaker 1: US Sky News contributor Kosher Garda and from a Labour
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Speaker 1: MP Michael Danby. Welcome to you both. We touched on
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Speaker 1: this earlier in the show, but I think there is
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Speaker 1: real security concerns and I mentioned when I was talking
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Speaker 1: earlier to the Jewics Board of Deputies that I've really
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Speaker 1: heard a police commissioner say that I'm not sure we
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Speaker 1: can keep you safe. This is ahead of the visit
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Speaker 1: by the Israeli President Isaac Hurz. I think he gets
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Speaker 1: here on Sunday. Michael, you think this is going to
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Speaker 1: have an impact on the visit. I mean surely there's
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Speaker 1: not going to be any street parades. It's gather.
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Speaker 17: It's designed by the far left and the Islamists to
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Speaker 17: disparage the whole visit by making it into violence and
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Speaker 17: a riot. All of the venues none are being advertised
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Speaker 17: to the people who are going along. People are too
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Speaker 17: scared to let the riots in Australias. We're in Australia,
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Speaker 17: and I from reading social media, fear that there's going
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Speaker 17: to be real riots from these people will take it
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Speaker 17: to stay through that They were kept underneath the radar
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Speaker 17: by the events in Bondai, and this is their chance
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Speaker 17: to break out. There's no war in the Middle East.
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Speaker 17: There might be one in Iran, but there's in Gaza.
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Speaker 17: There's a ceasefire. So what these people are on about.
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Speaker 17: God alone knows kosher.
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Speaker 1: We've got one report, three thousand police where we required
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Speaker 1: in Sydney alone. He will the president will visit Camera
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Speaker 1: and Melbourne as well. I mean, there must be real
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Speaker 1: fears that this is going to get violent.
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Speaker 18: I think so just given you know what's happened. But
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Speaker 18: as Michael said, if these things are usually very well
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Speaker 18: defined routes in which how he's going to enter the
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Speaker 18: country exactly where his motor cat is going to go,
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Speaker 18: And if you lock things down and really bring down
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Speaker 18: the hammer in terms of security, you can do it.
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Speaker 18: But it is sad, as you said, it is Australia.
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Speaker 18: But you know here here we.
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Speaker 1: Are, Michael, You've got Upper House in ps in your
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Speaker 1: South Wales accusing her of genocide.
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Speaker 17: Look, Winston Churchill and Fdr signed artillery shows to give
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Speaker 17: encouragement to the troops in the Second World War. Isaac
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Speaker 17: Kurtzig is actually a lefty, He's a dove. He's the
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Speaker 17: head of the Labor Party. These people know nothing. But
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Speaker 17: you see, it's not really about the actual issue. It's
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Speaker 17: about their hatreds, not just of Israel, but of our
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Speaker 17: own society.
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Speaker 1: Stephen, we've also had questions raised. This is in the
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Speaker 1: Australian this morning that a senior counsel assisting the Royal
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Speaker 1: Commission on Anti Semitism that's coming up. He was revealed
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Speaker 1: that his daughter is a prominent pro Palestinian student activist.
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Speaker 1: Kosher should that be a worry. I mean, I know
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Speaker 1: lots of people of that age the lawyer whose children
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Speaker 1: are of the left and you know, I mean if
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Speaker 1: she's if that's what they grow up and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: it's not going to impact on him, is it.
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Speaker 18: You would hope that any professional should not be tired
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Speaker 18: by the views of their family members, especially young kids.
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Speaker 18: And just picking up on what Michael said, that generation,
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Speaker 18: that age group under thirty five, even I would say,
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Speaker 18: we know where they stand on these issues. I think
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Speaker 18: the broader point is actually the merits of a royal commission,
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Speaker 18: which many people do criticize that how much of it
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Speaker 18: is symbolic and performative versus it will actually lead to
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Speaker 18: what we need. There are possible negative consequences that come
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Speaker 18: out of it, such as curtail and free speech and
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Speaker 18: things like that as a misguided solution to what we
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Speaker 18: all want to see done, which is protecting the innocent.
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Speaker 18: And of course the real elephant in the room is
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Speaker 18: the way to get social cohesion is immigration and demographics
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Speaker 18: that is the biggest driver of it. And Colory skeptical
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Speaker 18: then that will probably not be one of the.
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Speaker 1: Outcohol Michael, Jim, I mean this is not a Royal
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Speaker 1: commission to do a natural disaster like a bush fire.
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Speaker 1: This is a royal commission that has to you know,
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Speaker 1: it's looking at the social fabric of Australia. It's a
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Speaker 1: very hard thing to define. Kosher Rock rightly points out,
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Speaker 1: We're going to have to watch this very carefully. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how this isn't going to unfold. How
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Speaker 1: long is it going to take where they're going to go.
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Speaker 1: I mean we don't know what the terms of reference
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Speaker 1: are yet. How tight do they need to be.
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Speaker 17: They need to be tight, and they need not to
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Speaker 17: restrict free speech, as Kosher said, and they do need
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Speaker 17: to look at the effect of long term immigration of
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Speaker 17: people who are antagonistic to Australian values. I think that
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Speaker 17: was an entirely fair point that Scott Morrison raised in
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Speaker 17: his well known speech.
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Speaker 15: Now, but.
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Speaker 17: I fear that the far left are now attacking the
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Speaker 17: Royal Commission as constraining their rights. One of the things
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Speaker 17: I'd like to know is after the Director General of
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Speaker 17: Asia recommended something to be done in August last year,
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Speaker 17: what did the government do or were they so overwhelmed
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Speaker 17: by the socialist lefts views on anti didn't do anything.
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Speaker 1: They didn't do anything. Let's go over to Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: He's warned Aotola hem and E that he should be
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Speaker 1: quote very worried. Plans for talks between the US and
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Speaker 1: Irana apparently collapsed. Kosher the President, he doesn't hold much
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Speaker 1: back when he says he should be very worried. I'd
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Speaker 1: be getting worried.
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Speaker 18: I think that is his intent for sure, backed up
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Speaker 18: by moving fleets of war vessels and the region and
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Speaker 18: all the rest of it. People also know that he
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Speaker 18: really doesn't want to get stuck in another quagmar and
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Speaker 18: boots on the grounds and all of that. So that's
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Speaker 18: what they're banking a short shop and can he go
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Speaker 18: in surgically and put some pressure or economic pressure other
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Speaker 18: levers is what we're all waiting to see.
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Speaker 1: Well, the Iranians, of course, I mean they've been hanging
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Speaker 1: off the words that he had a few weeks ago
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Speaker 1: where he said, you know, we will move in and
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Speaker 1: he did not. Will they rise up again in the
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Speaker 1: streets with this other promise of you know from Trump?
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Speaker 1: I mean that's what if there's going to be a
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Speaker 1: revolution in Iran. They have those people who are putting
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Speaker 1: their lives on the line on the streets need to
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Speaker 1: know they've got some back up.
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Speaker 8: Steve.
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Speaker 17: They killed between thirty to sixty thousand people, murdered them
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Speaker 17: in the streets, young women shot in the forehead. People
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Speaker 17: would be very afraid there. I hope that the Americans
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Speaker 17: do liberate them by removing that fear, but I'm not
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Speaker 17: sure that it can be done in the short term.
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Speaker 17: So let's see what this military action, if anything, achieves.
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Speaker 1: Could life be any worse for Kiirs Dala.
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Speaker 18: He has I will say this, he has shown us
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Speaker 18: his political chops and he's trying to play the party
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Speaker 18: line to steve off anything from within his party because
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Speaker 18: in terms of the electorate, they seem to be pretty
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Speaker 18: secure at least for the next three year.
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Speaker 1: Given me, Lord Mendelssohn, thank you very much both of
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Speaker 1: you for joining us. That's kosher. And Michael, I must say,
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Speaker 1: with tomorrow on the program, we're going to have a
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Speaker 1: look at this big meeting it's going to take place
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Speaker 1: in Horsham and Victoria that will take place this weekend
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Speaker 1: or Twitter or all about that. Tomorrow He's Andrew Bolt