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Inside The Birds Postgame Show Week 3: Eagles 33, Rams 26 · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Inside the Birds postgame show Jeff
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  Mosher and Adam Kaplan And oh my god, how did
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  that just happen? Did that actually truly just happened?
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  Speaker 2: Adam?
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles were on their way to what I was
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  thinking would be the worst loss of the Nick Sirianni era,
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  because they're not a lot of them, and some of
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  them are close. This was and it turned into maybe
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  the most you know, non Super Bowl craziest win of
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  the Nick Sirianni era. Obviously, the Eagles prevail thirty three
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  twenty six at home. They do so by scoring twenty
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  unanswered points to come back from being down way down
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  twenty six to seven. And then that wasn't enough because
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  the Rams are about to line up and kick a
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  field goal to sink them, and Jordan Davis, who had
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  already helped block one field goal, storms through at him,
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  blocks a second field scoops it and runs it back
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  for a touchdown, and everybody, all the betters who took
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  the Eagles one un believable Adam, how do you describe it?
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  Speaker 3: No, you've got most of it. I mean, think about it.
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  The Rams had six straight scores, two touchdowns for field goals.
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  The Eagles were down. In the word, they're down twenty
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  six to seven. They were terrible. Second quarter was horrendous.
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  They you know what, You certainly can't say the team quit,
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  but they seem mentally defeated. They had a ton of Emmys,
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  which are mental errors, a ton of them. Lane Johnson
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  got hurt. That clearly was a factor right tackle. Okay,
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  that's why Matt Pryor was pull They put Fred Johnson here,
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  which turned out to be something that really helped them
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  come back. But they had a heart of a champion.
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  A heart of a champion is able to come back
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  if you're a team. And we know how young they
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  are the youngest defense at football, but they also won
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  the Super Bowl last year. Something in them they chipped away,
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  chipped away the defense which couldn't stop the run at all. Okay,
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  they were terrible against the run, yes, and they were
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  actually on the last drive of the Rams, but they
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  had the block field goal. But Cory and Bennett makes
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  some plays. Okay, they made some plays on defense when
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  they absolutely had to against the pass. So they did
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  some really good things in the second half obviously to
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  come back. And the big thing is they said you
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  know what, And this is what I said on Patreon
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  on our discord, I said, guys, will they why don't
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  they just throw the football? Why are they so scared
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  to throw the football? It's not working for three games.
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  It's not Barkley fault. They can't block for the run.
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  You have two options. Either you're running it or pass it.
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  When the run doesn't work, throw the damn football. And
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  then the offense took off. And it's funny. My prediction
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  in the pregame was two touchdowns to twenty five. I
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  looked like a total chump at halftime, and whatever he
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  looked at, he wind up having hurts. You wind up
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  having three for two twenty five or two twenty six.
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  Excuse me, It's funny how that works out. Anyway, Listen,
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  you're nailing it.
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts about this offense, and
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  I got a round completely.
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  Speaker 3: They were getting their hammered. I really I got this
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  game wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I got lucky.
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  Speaker 3: But keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but but but even on that, I have a
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  lot of thoughts that we'll get into and we really
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  break down just what happened offensively in a big picture.
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  Speaker 2: I had this conversation with someone who was walking.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the press box now, by the way, for
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  those watching at the video, I'm at the link. Just
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  got back from the locker room. I had a conversation
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  with someone just about how you know the Chiefs did
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  this all year Last year, I just pulled wins out
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  of the jaws of defeat one game after another. Started
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  Week one with that Ravens game where Isaiah likely would
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  have caught the game winning touchdown but it's tolw was
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  on the line, and then week after week they bought kicks.
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  If you remember the the Chiefs had a few of those.
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  And when I get you know, when you get to
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  that level when you're winning sort of the mental game,
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  and you're you're already sort of demoralizing opponents week after
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  week with your toust pushing this, and then you add
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  in the old uh And I know Derek gun and
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  Ray Didn's were talking about it kind of the breaks,
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  but you make your breaks and like Jordan Newis didn't
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  accidentally do that, he blocked he and Jaalen Carter blocked
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  those field goals. And to your point, after really having
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  what I thought was a poor offensive game plan, I
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  think you're hitting this on the head and seeing it
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  the exact way I saw it for most of the half.
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  They woke up in the second half and did what
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  they had to do. And this is so they've won
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  games the way a championship team wins. They're three to zero,
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  the Rams aren't, and it's it'll look you'll look back
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  on it and you'll say it's a great win. There's
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  there is stuff to work on. Run defense was not good.
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  Passing offense was a zombie for the first half. And
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  we'll get into whether or not a new iteration of
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  this offense really exists. I don't think it does. But
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  at the same time, they just showed you that on
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  their worst day, when you think you got.
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  Speaker 2: Them, you don't.
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  Speaker 1: That's how much talent this Eagles team has, and that
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  that goes a long way.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of things to add. And I was saying this,
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  we'd have live stream chat at halftime. I said, I
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  don't know how the hell they're down only nineteen seven.
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  They get the ball first the second half, maybe they
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  could score. Oops, they didn't. Kyvin Williams scored in the
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  ten yard run. I'm like, well they're oh man, I
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  thought they were done. They looked defeated. Yeah, and you
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  got it scorers on the scene pass the whole player
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  missed it on this drop, and I'm like, all right, well,
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  they're only down twelve, Let's see what happens. They're not
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  out of it. The crowd. Now here's my question, because
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  I know, did they You can't always tell because the
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  sound could be muffled on the press box. Could you
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  tell that they were getting booted in the first half?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Somebody else texted me and asked that if you weren't
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  sure watching at home, if the Eagles were getting but yeah, yeah,
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  you could hear it.
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  Speaker 2: And it started way before halftime. I mean it started
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  like it started, I'll tell you when it started.
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  Speaker 1: Then on the first, first or second, when they had
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  third and long backed up in their own end zone
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  and they called a running play, which by the way,
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  is the right play call there, Like you, you know,
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  it would have been nice if I guess I had
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  great Calcatar out there trying to block.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they should have put a lotso in.
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  Speaker 1: But but you're not gonna try to throw a pass
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  on third eighteen when you're backed down there trying to
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  give your punter some space. But the point was it
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  was so so I saw and so unpleasant to see
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  a Super Bowl championship team sort of getting unmasked and
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  almost emasculated right and just unglued in its own that
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  they have to sit there and call a ridiculous draw
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  just to give themselves some space to punt twice. That
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  that's when the booze really started to Yeah it could
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  be heard, absolutely, Yeah it.
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  Speaker 3: Was again with the Rams score six straight times for
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  field goal John Cardy, who yeah, guy, But but look
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  they and and the Adams play. It's so funny because
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  he clearly pushed off. They don't call it on blank
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  ship and ag Brown clearly pushed off. They don't call it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say, yeah, they washed each other out.
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  Speaker 3: They had a lot of fans of that. Yeah, I
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  saw that in social media. But the bottom line is
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  hard of a champion that was. That was in my
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  notes here. I have an exclamation point. Elaine Bennett would
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  be happy on that one, on that one inside. But
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  the bottom line is a team that doesn't has not
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  gone through what they've gone through over a series of years,
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  would not win that. And they just wouldn't. They just wouldn't.
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  But I would the one big major takeaway is I
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  know that Sirianni is not gonna call the plays. It's
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  way too early to even consider that. But he can
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  say that Kevin Petula throw the football. You can't. You can't.
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  Not only Kenny, he should Kevin throw the football. Let's
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  throw the football. Because this is bad coaching, is trying
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  to keep doing the same thing over and over and
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  getting zero result, which they got. Not Barkley's fault. They
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  can't block for the run game. Now put it in
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  hurts his hands. You've got Brown, got her down the seam.
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  I know he only got two targets. Got a block too,
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  DeVante Smith unbelievable touchdown, Oh my god, unbelievable. Now, by
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  the way, they had back to back drops got her
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  and DeVante, which is interesting notes here. Then they got
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  the job done. Devant he had the incredible catch and
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  the heart of a champion to a J. Brown, hard
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  of a champ. He would not be denied. Get it
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  in the hand. And by the way, Barkley had a
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  bad drop right in his hands, right in his hands
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  on a jump off. But and then the other thing
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  is we didn't even mention it. What in the hell
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  on the five kickoff returns with the bobble, what come on?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna save special teams for the end,
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  but I think that you're brazing it at a good
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  point and isn't there. So there's just like new kickoff
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  style where they're like knuckleball kicks that that I think
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  Cardi is trying to do and others. It's like a
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  I know that people have written about it. I think
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  The Athletic did a nice story about it. And maybe
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  it's hard to practice against this new style of kick off.
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  It's almost like a it's part of the new dynamic kickoffs.
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  So the kickers are trying something different, and Cardi is
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  one of them who's trying to execute a knuckleball style
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  of kick. Okay, so let's firstly say at least this
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  isn't just.
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  Speaker 2: Out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: There's a reason that's causing him to happen, and maybe
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  it's tough to but there is zero excuse for five
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  of them, like zero excuse, Like you gotta like buckle
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  down and figure it out. It's not impossible to return
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  a kick that is not going to concentrate and see it.
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  Speaker 3: So Michael Clay and Tyler Brown. This is they have
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  some work to do. There's no question about it. I'll
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  tell you what. And also, Braidon Man is a man.
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  He is unbelievable. I don't want to I mean, I
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  know one of them. You might you might say he'll
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  kick the coverage on the twenty yard return, but man,
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  he is really really good. Jake Elliott's fine, no problem
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  with him. But overall they got to clean that specialty's
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  part up on the returns. But the bottom line is
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  they were able to come back. Uh the run the
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  other takeaway and we'll break somen some stuff individually a minute,
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  but the run defense totally out of their gap. They
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  they got outside zone, inside zone gap played. They got
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  all sorts of stuff. We'll talk to Greg o cell
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  Monday night and we'll get Greg's early word and then
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  the Patreon level three people take over the chat on Tuesday.
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  He was great because he was you know he I'll
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  be interesting to see what he thinks about the past.
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  It's not so much the ratio. It's just when it's
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  obvious it's not working and go to the past. But
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  and support the show. All right, so I really paid
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  attention to this, Adam, because I in talking when you
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  and I do inside the tape with Greg, he has
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  put us on to some of the things that the
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  Cowboys did and then what the Chiefs did, and I
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  look to see if there was a blueprint here to copy,
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  and sure enough there was.
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  Speaker 2: So the Eagles are seeing.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of too deep two shell cover two whatever
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  you want to call it, two safeties deep on first
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  and second down, all right, And these teams, whether it
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  was the Cowboys, whether it's the Chiefs and now the Rams,
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  they're doing a good job of playing too deep, but
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  also trying to funnel like their nickel if they're a
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  nickel or base. They're getting guys closer to the line
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  of scrimmage, stunting, doing things to be better against the run,
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  because when you play two safeties away from line of scrimmage,
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  you sort of invite the team to run, right, And
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  the Eagles have tried to run, but they have not
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  broken one yet as we speak, three weeks in with
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  sain Kwon Barkley, So that has put the Eagles behind
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  the sticks.
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  Speaker 2: They've faced a lot more third and.
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  Speaker 1: Long And then to your point, that's when you say, fine,
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  if you're gonna play too deep. You're giving me a
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  lot of the middle of the field to throw to.
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  Now we know Adam Jalen Hurts doesn't love to throw
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  in the middle of field, but we also know that
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  when guys are open, he typically throws those balls in
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  the middle of the field. And I'm watching here and
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  I'm like, why are they not attacking it? And then
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  the second quarter, like you said, it's like they're gonna
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  run the ball, They're gonna throw the swing pass. It's
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  almost like, both from an offensive concept and then also
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  from a Jailen Hurts, he had gotten so used to
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  not hating to do it that he didn't And it's
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  like you said, third quarter, it happened with the brown
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  slant and then thirty three are touchdown to god Her.
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  It's like they all realize as a quarterback in the
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  staff that if they are going to give you all
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  that underneath, take it. You know you're not asking Jailen
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  to threat windows. They were spread wide, running mesh routes,
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  running digs, running slants and getting guys open and making plays.
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  And Adam, I just can't figure out why it took
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  so long for whether it's jailing or whether it's Kevin Petula,
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  whether it's the offensive staff at the whole, the receivers.
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  I put this on everybody. I mean, you're giving, you're
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  supposed to take what the defense gives. Yeah, And for
• 15:48
  the first half of that game they refused. And then
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  just the second part of that is that because of
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  the success that teams have been having on first and
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  second down against the Eagles, they're blitzing the wrap out
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  of him.
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  Speaker 3: The zone blitz is cour cour it's called quarter cat,
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  when the cree blitz is. They did all sorts of
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  Greg mentioned in our premium show, the kid McCullough would
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  when you know what, he had a blitz.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam, the Rams blitz twelve percent going into this game.
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  They are the third fewest percentage blitzing team the league.
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  And like you said, they didn't just throw it, but
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  they're bringing the safety. They're bringing a safety and a linebacker,
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  a guy around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was working well.
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  Speaker 3: Lane Lee Lane Johnson leaving early that I'm sure that
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  was part of it. That there's no doubt about it.
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  But it worked. It absolutely worked. And that's when and
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  you saw the body language of the offensive players wasn't
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  very good. They were very frustrated, but that's we're hard
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  of a champion, so because they know what it takes
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  to win. And eventually, as you were outlining some nickel
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  and dimes stuff, some bigger plays in the third quarter.
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  After they gave him the touchdown early and then but
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  then they the defense with ben Ben Ben Ben Ben.
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  Then they started taking they stopped giving a big place
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  Bennett to occurring Bennett. It looked a little bit ugly
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  early filling in for Jey Jackson or the groin injury,
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  but he got the job done. A blanket chef, had
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  a nice pass defense. Bond was unbelievable certain place in
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  the first half. But the big concern is, and it's seemingly,
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  let's face, they go one hundred fifteen yards in the
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  first half against the run they got they got cash
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  on several type of runs. I'm interested see what Greg
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  says when he creates the tape. What the hell the
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  problem was trying to stop the run. Well, we'll get
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  to defense at a minute, but offensively to finish this off,
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  I just feel like the way this thing went. They
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  know how they have an excellent pass target group, why
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  not make be somewhat of a quase passing team and
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  mix the run in instead of being a running team.
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  It's not working. And mixing the passing.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you're saying this.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see because.
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  Speaker 1: And I wrote this in my observations for Philly Voice.
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  Everybody should check it out. I had a couple of
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  different observations. I don't think you everybody got onto. So
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  do you remember all the talk about the iteration, this
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  new iteration of the Eagles offense.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we want to avoid being getting sale.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: A lot of the Jalen Hurts talked about it, Patula
• 18:20
  talked about it, Jordani Lada.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: They said, look, we can't be like twenty twenty three
• 18:24
  and get stale, right. We gotta add. I want to
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  tell you.
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  Speaker 1: This though, even when they're moving the ball well, like
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  in the third and fourth quarter, go look at all
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  the place the slant to aj the deep dig on
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  third down to DeVante Smith for sixteen yards, right, great play,
• 18:40
  great play. The touchdown of Dallas Goddard I think was
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  on an RPO. I'm not sure, but great, right down
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  the seam of a couple. Right, they're executing the same play.
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  Did you see Jalen Hurts with the five wide right,
• 18:54
  what you what is he gonna do when he's spread
• 18:55
  five wide, He's gonna wait a second and then he's
• 18:57
  gonna do a design quarterback round. There's nothing that they're
• 19:00
  doing differently so, but but they scored a lot of
• 19:04
  points and they came alive.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I guess what I'm.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Saying is they want tempo. They want temple.
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  Speaker 1: Well, tempo is something that they always do too. My
• 19:11
  point is there's there is no new iteration. They're just
• 19:13
  doing what they do. They just finally did it better
• 19:16
  in the third and fourth quarter when they started taking
• 19:19
  the defense.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Gives other than they changed the ratio. They became a
• 19:22
  passing team, not a running team. Although it's so funny,
• 19:25
  it's like they couldn't help themselves. They felt, oh, we
• 19:27
  have to stay honest, let's run the ball. No, they can't.
• 19:31
  The rams are off what corner. That's bad coaching. If
• 19:34
  it's not working, stop doing it. They're not going to
• 19:37
  stop you. That's just this is I can't stand when
• 19:40
  coaches do this. If it's working, keep doing it. It's
• 19:44
  you and I have done this throughout our careers. We
• 19:45
  ask coaches, why are you doing this? Because it worked?
• 19:48
  When it's working, keep doing it. They're really bad at corners.
• 19:52
  So and they tried to protect them by playing too deep.
• 19:55
  I get that, as you said. Then they started taking it.
• 19:58
  Sure it's the intermediate and it was on slants that work.
• 20:02
  Suret air get it to Davante. Plus they had free drops,
• 20:05
  as I said, So you know, overall they got the
• 20:08
  job done. They need a miracle finish, one of the
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  most other than both Miracle and the Badlands. I'm sure
• 20:13
  other people will remember.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I can't think of anything that was this miracle like
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  it was incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was. Now do you think all right,
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  So defensively, let's let's examine the root question that I'm
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  wondering here. Jordan Davis gave us all a great big
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  guy touchdown, thick touchdown, thick six, whatever you want to
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  call it. Somewhere Brian Westbrook must have been very disapproving, right,
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  I mean, you gotta just jump on that ball and
• 22:50
  cover it up and lay down and game over. I
• 22:53
  don't know why he scooped it up and felt the
• 22:55
  need to run back for the touchdown. It was very exciting.
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  It's fun to say in retrospect, but Brian Westbrook did
• 23:00
  it the right way when he took the knee at
• 23:02
  the one against the Cowboys all those years ago. And
• 23:05
  I don't know that there was really a need for
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  Jordan Davis to have to scoop that and return it.
• 23:09
  They had won the game. The game's over, that's it, goodbye,
• 23:11
  good night. But he did provide a lot of enthusiasm
• 23:14
  for the fans there. I thought Jordan Davis Adham not
• 23:18
  only was huge from that standpoint and also the one
• 23:22
  where he blocked the field goal with Jalen Carter, but
• 23:24
  he had two enormous stops in this game. Yeah, third
• 23:28
  and two on Matthew Stafford and then fourth and one
• 23:30
  he swims inside Kevin Dotson, great arm over swim move
• 23:34
  and just knocks Kyra Williams in his tracks.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, he is a big part of this. He's
• 23:40
  the reason for the win. To be honest with you.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: He was obviously. Yeah. Now he was part of an
• 23:47
  awful run defense. Let's call it like it is. We can't.
• 23:50
  We gotta be kurt here, but being mentally tough, the
• 23:53
  kid cares. By the way, I know, the worder on
• 23:55
  the club is he talks a lot about how he's
• 23:58
  gonna do this or that, but he's backing it up
• 24:00
  here and he came. He came in big time. That
• 24:02
  That was great. Carter, by the way, you can't have
• 24:06
  a personal foul. Man, you can't do that. I mean,
• 24:09
  that's just I don't know what that. You can't bench.
• 24:12
  He's too good, but at some point I can't have it.
• 24:17
  Lucky didn't cost him the game. But bottom line, uh,
• 24:20
  Davis came through that. That was huge when it really mattered.
• 24:23
  That's the thing about this game. When it absolutely possibly had,
• 24:25
  someone had to make a play. That was the story
• 24:27
  of the second half. Everybody made plays when they were
• 24:30
  the first half.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: That's the correct all right.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So on top of that story, two of the second
• 24:35
  half for two weeks straight. Now Vic Fangio is blitzing
• 24:39
  at a much higher percentage than I do.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: How about that? Now.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I had an interesting conversation with my quick Answer because
• 24:47
  in the locker room, a couple of guys suggested, you know,
• 24:50
  when you're getting gashed and run like that, you got
• 24:52
  to send some extra bodies.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: But Vic was blitzing on third down as well.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just blitz it was yeah, yeah, but he
• 24:58
  was also coming after stef Efford on third down.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And that's that surprised me.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, I was talking to my quick about it,
• 25:04
  and I said, I'm surprised he felt that comfortable given
• 25:07
  that you know, Nikua and DeVante are so good wide receivers,
• 25:11
  and he said the one thing about them as opposed
• 25:14
  to say like when they had to defend Lamb and Pickens,
• 25:18
  which Vic didn't blitz.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: At all in that game.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Basically, he said, the one thing about them is that
• 25:22
  they're great receivers, but they're not natural speed separators, right, They're.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Contested catch guys.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And when you have a quinnya Mitchell and a Cooper
• 25:30
  de gene like, he said, yeah, he McVeigh is going
• 25:33
  to scheme up a couple that beat you, like the
• 25:35
  one where he got Davonte on red blanket ship. That's
• 25:38
  that's going to happen in the course of a game
• 25:40
  in a season. But he said, in general, he liked
• 25:43
  the approach and I and I looking back on it,
• 25:45
  Stafford's numbers were bad and Stafford missed about six or
• 25:49
  seven throws, And I think they had a lot to
• 25:51
  do with the either a pressure or the fear and
• 25:55
  threat of pressure, because I thought Stafford let a few
• 25:57
  go early that sailed, especially on third down. Oh that
• 26:01
  was where the pressure wasn't there, But he was just
• 26:03
  afraid of.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: It all right on your point. He looked like Eli Manning.
• 26:06
  Eli Manning had a terrible habit of turning his face
• 26:08
  and and and when pressure was coming at him. And
• 26:12
  boy Stafford had one where the guy was wide open.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah on the over what's that? Yeah?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It was like an out where I think it was
• 26:22
  Nikua had had Dejeene.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Beat to the outside on third down.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the play. And I'm like, dude, why
• 26:27
  are you turning your butt? Why there was no one
• 26:30
  was in five within five yards of you? Why did
• 26:32
  you turn your face and your foot? That was just bad?
• 26:34
  Like he didn't in consistent game he had. He made
• 26:36
  some Matthew Stafford lake for rous where you go holy sure,
• 26:39
  but uh he he definitely had some bad plays. The
• 26:42
  pick by by the way, the pick by Bond the
• 26:44
  first quarter is ridiculously incredible.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, great, great jump of the routu. Yeah, I mean
• 26:49
  he is he is.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: If everybody thought he was like gonna regress or come
• 26:53
  back to it hasn't.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Happened, especially that he's a pretty development.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there was there was the the goal line
• 27:00
  where it was a beautiful play action by the Rams
• 27:03
  and all he had to do was throw it up
• 27:04
  to Williams and he just threw it over his head.
• 27:09
  I mean it was there. It was a touchdown. There
• 27:10
  there were two third downs, how about listen, This was
• 27:13
  a tough one where he rolled to his left and
• 27:16
  then threw right to the right corner for Nikua I
• 27:21
  think or no, no, it's Davante Adams. But Davante had
• 27:25
  a step and he just overthrew it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: That could have been a score.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: And then the same thing on the one where he
• 27:32
  put it in Williams's bread basket in the end zone
• 27:36
  in the right corner where Jacorey and Bennett. You mentioned that,
• 27:39
  I feel like if he had thrown back shoulder, then
• 27:41
  Bennett can't get his hand there. So but all that
• 27:45
  I think was not just like him making bad passes.
• 27:48
  I feel like he felt that threat of I cannot
• 27:51
  hold on to this ball a single second longer and
• 27:53
  I just got to let it loose.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: So that's you credit the egos defense for that.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe so. But the bottom line is they
• 28:00
  found a way to win when it looked just terrible.
• 28:03
  But the story was when they were down in nineteen
• 28:05
  seven and a half, as they said earlier, like they're
• 28:08
  very lucky to be they were actually in this game.
• 28:10
  Twelve points is nothing in the National Football League, as
• 28:11
  we as it would turn out as well. But look,
• 28:15
  the Rams. I may look that David picked a seer
• 28:18
  of human play that the run they gave up. Look,
• 28:21
  the defense gave up way too much. The run defense.
• 28:24
  They have a lot to fix, like as we finish
• 28:26
  off defense, a lot to fix. We'll find out about
• 28:31
  Jackson in the coming days. It quite frankly, they might
• 28:33
  as well go with with Bennett. They traded for him.
• 28:36
  But we'll see what happens. But they they've got to
• 28:38
  fix this run defense. That was embarrassing. How bad. Karen
• 28:41
  Wills is a nice player, and he's shifty as hell,
• 28:44
  really spot runner like he seems to find these creases.
• 28:46
  Why he's not what you call explosive. But this is
• 28:50
  a line they should have dominated against the Rams. Steve
• 28:53
  Abla was out or the starting guards is a good
• 28:55
  football player. Kevin Dotson missed some plays, he left with
• 28:59
  a f cramp or something, and they still couldn't get
• 29:02
  They just couldn't get anything going save a couple of
• 29:05
  couple stuffs, but they didn't have a lot of them.
• 29:08
  And you know, overall the other thing is, and you
• 29:10
  mentioned the pressure. They're just not getting pressure on the quarterback.
• 29:13
  And that's why Vick like, there's a saying in coaching,
• 29:15
  if you can't get home with four, you bring five.
• 29:17
  You can't you bring six. If you can't get with five,
• 29:20
  they're just gonna have to blitz. I'm sure he dreads it.
• 29:23
  You don't like blitz, but you got to get home somehow.
• 29:26
  And by the way, they still weren't getting home as
• 29:28
  much as they probably should have.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was probably enjoying it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Seeing Stafford completed fifty seven percent past This is one
• 29:35
  of the most accurate quarterbacks in the league.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: So he was.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Probably I think having guys like Campbell and Bawn now
• 29:41
  and and just having you know, cover guys like Quinna,
• 29:44
  Mitchell and Cooper, you know, in year two, I think
• 29:47
  he's more comfortable with it.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: He's he's clearly more comfortable.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: He has to number one. Number two on your point,
• 29:54
  I would, and again this is all subjective unless co
• 29:57
  Selsey's on the coaching tape. I think on your you
• 30:00
  made earlier is a good one, is that they seem
• 30:03
  to be in Stafford's had at least a little bit
• 30:04
  He rushed himself and that that was part of it.
• 30:10
  So so the defense got more pressure. It wasn't pressure
• 30:14
  doesn't mean it's always sacks. It's making the quarterback do
• 30:17
  something he doesn't want to do, or making rush a
• 30:19
  split second, which he seemed to do. And the mental
• 30:23
  layers that they were making the first half, they were
• 30:25
  weren't making as many of them, and that's the key.
• 30:28
  But man, they have seven edge rushers, they dressed five,
• 30:30
  and they're just not getting home on natural plays where
• 30:34
  you run your five man front, were your uplets and
• 30:35
  they just cannot get home consistently like last year. And
• 30:39
  that's something that how he's going to have to look
• 30:41
  at by the by end of October. I know they
• 30:44
  have a lot of players, but that's never stopped them.
• 30:46
  They have seven guys, but who do they have was
• 30:48
  a consistent pass rusher? The answers nobody very interesting.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up Howry Roseman.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I want to finish on this point how he gave
• 30:57
  up because I got to call the coaches for for this,
• 31:00
  all right, How he gave up a lot of He
• 31:03
  gave up not any high picks, but he's given up
• 31:05
  picks for three guys right. In particular, I'm about to
• 31:08
  mention one is MATCHI he had trouble to kick off
• 31:12
  two to one for bigs B.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: He had trouble with kickoff returns.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And then they give a pick for Fred Johnson to
• 31:18
  be your swing tackle that he played fairly well last
• 31:22
  year in that role. Why did you bring Matt Pryor in?
• 31:26
  Why did you give up pick your GM give up
• 31:28
  picks to bring him Fred Johnson for that role? But
• 31:30
  you brought in Matt Pryor and he was a turnstile.
• 31:32
  Unfortunately he got Jalen Hurts killed?
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was what was the Fred Johnson trade?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Was? Like? It was probably like a sixth Yeah, I.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Know whatn't much, but at least.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: The point is like you gave up something to get
• 31:45
  him for that role.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Why didn't you play him because as soon as he
• 31:48
  came in the offense just started moving down the field.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we said months ago he's more of
• 31:54
  a left tack who could play right. But you know
• 31:57
  what without him, I mean I don't want to obviously
• 31:59
  not putting up all him, but that was a factor
• 32:01
  then when you were absolutly I'm glad you brought that
• 32:02
  up there. He was absolutely the factor. He's what he
• 32:04
  did is he settled things down. He's been an incredible
• 32:07
  story by the way of of uh kind of igniting career,
• 32:12
  which he didn't really have befo. We came to Philly
• 32:15
  the first time around, and it's been a great story development.
• 32:17
  And they needed a man because with with Lane's injury, uh,
• 32:25
  they needed something and Matt Pryor that was bad. That
• 32:27
  played that that that pressure he gave up was pretty bad.
• 32:30
  Gives own credit. He didn't belabor it by keeping him in,
• 32:33
  you know, with which sometimes coaches do and oh, we'll
• 32:35
  let him work it out. No, they pulled him.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's right.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I'll give him credit for that, and then take credit
• 32:41
  away for even putting math Ryer in there.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Uh that when you have a job.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: He's there. Yeah, but he's been there back up right
• 32:48
  off camp. Right.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: But then they traded for Fred Johnson because they wanted
• 32:52
  a better backup offensive tag.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just I thought for left I thought they
• 32:57
  wanted him to be the swing tackle that he was
• 32:59
  last year.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: But again, let me ask you this question, though, who
• 33:03
  would be the bat? Who is the who is it
• 33:06
  going to be the backup left tackle. If they didn't
• 33:09
  trade for for for Johnson for Fred.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Probably well, I guess Kendall Lamb if they would have
• 33:15
  had to have kept.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: It didn't work right, and it didn't work with Kendall Lamb,
• 33:18
  you know, so what choice did they have. They needed
• 33:21
  a back up left and Fred did a good job. Uh.
• 33:25
  And we'll see if lame will be cleared. Uh. I
• 33:29
  saw something out there. They had a stinger. I think
• 33:30
  you might have told the inquirers a stinger. Let's just
• 33:32
  have to clear up, you know.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully it doesn't linger.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: And I know Darius Cooper also went to the locker room,
• 33:39
  so we'll getting updated.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Other than that, they made it through, I think fairly unscathed.
• 33:45
  And we're gonna have a ton of Greek coverage. And
• 33:48
  I cannot wait to hear the conversation between Ray Didtinger
• 33:53
  and Derek Gunn on Birds Weekly this week. I can't
• 33:57
  wait for great co sales breakdown, for Sam Finkle's analytical
• 34:00
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  or to checko dailies, I should say all week long,
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  coverage and content on ITB coming up throughout the weekend.
• 34:13
  Of course, like you said, our show Tuesday night, WBCB
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  Speaker 2: You can watch it on our Inside the Birds YouTube channel.
• 34:20
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• 34:21
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