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The Crooked Carpet Cleaner w/ Ronnie Adrian (Fraud Friday) · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's poppin, Congregation, is your girl Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
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  Speaker 1: older episodes from the Scam Goddess Bault. That's right, Fraud
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  Speaker 1: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from
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  Speaker 1: behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, stay scheming, Scam, Come.
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  Speaker 2: Rubb and run, scam, Come.
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  Speaker 1: Ruby and Frollam Goddess. Welcome back, Congregation to another edition
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  Speaker 1: of Scam Goddess. It's me you girl, Lacey Mosley aka
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  Speaker 1: Scam Goddess, and I'm here with Oh gosh, I'm so excited, guys. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know I say that every week, but I really
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  Speaker 1: am excited. And this is gonna be a fast episode
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  Speaker 1: for sure. I'm here with oh my god, Ronnie Adrian. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I had to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up? Everybody?
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  Speaker 3: Not the person who actually makes the beats, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: I want to be like, oh shit, she got.
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  Speaker 1: Him on that. I got oh my god, Ronnie on
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  Speaker 1: the show. No, just go with it, Ronnie, go with
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  Speaker 1: the scam.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, So how the show works is
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  Speaker 1: I start with a segment called What's Hot and Fraud,
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  Speaker 1: which is where we warn our listeners about what's hot
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  Speaker 1: and fraud or we give them tips for scams. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: if you have any scams that you retired, hit us
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  Speaker 1: up at scam gootspot at gmail dot com. But only
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  Speaker 1: if they're retired, because remember, say it with me. We
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  Speaker 1: don't want to fuck up your bag, all right, wonderful?
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So this scam comes from what am I
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  Speaker 1: gonna name this person? Okay, I'm gonna call you Tina Marie.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, okay, okay. And that's the song that you sing.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite. This is some square bits.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a choice. You can get a line
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  Speaker 3: from Fire and Desires.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a real tam reefan. You know about Portuguese okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: tweet me if you know about Portuguese love.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't wait four tweets right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you're so rude. Don't disrespect Tina like that. Put
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  Speaker 1: don't respect on Tina name, so Tina says Hi Lacy.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to write to tell you about a scam
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  Speaker 1: I pulled off numerous times in college. I was super
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  Speaker 1: broke and loved to eat. Don't we all? Don't we
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  Speaker 1: all love to eat? I do it every day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I try to.
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  Speaker 1: So, but also wanted to spend my small income and
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  Speaker 1: nights out at the bar. So she was like, these
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  Speaker 1: coins are for ninety nine bananas, Captain Morgan. What's the
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  Speaker 1: other ratchet college drinks? Fucking fireball? Oh yeah, what's some
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  Speaker 1: other terrible shit that I ingested in college? Oh? For locos.
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  Speaker 1: I had a friend who would make four loco margaritas.
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  Speaker 1: And this is before they regulated for locals. This is
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  Speaker 1: when it was killing people. Huh. So a four loco
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  Speaker 1: ice margarita mixed antequila.
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  Speaker 2: God, that's crazy. That's too much.
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  Speaker 1: That's horrible, too much.
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  Speaker 3: I remember my friends because I don't drink. All my friends,
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  Speaker 3: like once we discovered alcohol, like at the end of
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  Speaker 3: high school and into like college age, everybody when they
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  Speaker 3: would drink, I was like, oh man, all my friends
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  Speaker 3: sucked drunk, like, you know, like and and I just
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  Speaker 3: remember being like, oh, okay, like and it'll be funny
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  Speaker 3: up until a point, because you know, like it's always
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  Speaker 3: funny with your friend, but there's a point where it's like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, now you're getting annoying.
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  Speaker 1: You know and so yeah, oh no, me and my
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  Speaker 1: friends were the funnest drunk people ever. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: really drink a lot. I didn't drink in high school.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I drank in college, but not really until
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  Speaker 1: like my sophomore year. And we would drink like on
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  Speaker 1: the weekend if there was a party. Like we were
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  Speaker 1: freaking nerds. But we had some wild ASTI I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, yeah wild.
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  Speaker 1: I mean no, the times now, the times now are
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  Speaker 1: pretty wild. No, no, no, no, I actually picked it us.
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  Speaker 2: I picked it up.
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  Speaker 3: Man, he's still in the game. Lebron Jane seventeen years,
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  Speaker 3: still strong, going strong.
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  Speaker 1: I am not the Lebron James of drinking that day, Nay.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't je missed a step.
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  Speaker 1: I hate you so much. All right. So obviously Ronnie
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  Speaker 1: and I have known each other for a while. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so she was trying to spend her coins on that drank, honey, understandable.
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  Speaker 1: I once went through a fast food drive through and
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  Speaker 1: they forgot to put a burger in my bag, so
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  Speaker 1: I told them, and they gave me a new burger,
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  Speaker 1: no questions asked. A light bulb went off, Oh I
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  Speaker 1: love it. What do we take? What do we say
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  Speaker 1: about scams, guys, opportunity And when you realize that there's
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity for scamming, it's got to take a brea.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the whole saying. I thought you about to
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  Speaker 3: stop an opporunity. I was about to be like, okay, opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: I mean truly, it is opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So I started going to all these fast food places
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  Speaker 1: and I would say something like, hey, I was just here,
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  Speaker 1: and you guys forgot to put blank in my back.
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  Speaker 1: And it worked every damn time. One time I did
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  Speaker 1: get caught, though, it was at a frozen custard place. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: see that's why Tina got.
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  Speaker 2: A little bigger. I got a little bit overzelly.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get greedy, y'all. Okay, stick to the drive throughs girl.
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  Speaker 1: Now you you pulling up at the soft search or
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  Speaker 1: you pull up at a what's a custod place? I
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  Speaker 1: can't even think of what? Yo yogurt Land. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to go to Yogurtland with a scam. That's too much. Also,
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  Speaker 1: Yogurtland is a place where you can just get free
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  Speaker 1: shit anyway. You get a little baby cup, get two
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  Speaker 1: of them, joints and you just go over there, eat
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  Speaker 1: all the yoga you want.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't okay, I mean, I'm just saying I'm sat.
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  Speaker 1: So, so, she said, she tried out to frozen custored place.
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  Speaker 1: She said she called and told him that her husband
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  Speaker 1: had forgot to get her oreo milkshake. Could I come
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  Speaker 1: down and get it? She said. I wasn't married, though,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought saying husband would sound more believable. I
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  Speaker 1: guess you know what, it does sound more believed me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds good husband.
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  Speaker 1: When you say husband, that sounds like financial security. That
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  Speaker 1: sounds like you don't need to steal a milkshake from
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  Speaker 1: yogurt land.
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  Speaker 3: And also like men are dune, so they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: your husband, of course they always do that, right, forgetful, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they'd be forgetful of hell, right.
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  Speaker 1: So, she said, I even want as far as to
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  Speaker 1: put a ring on my finger to further this scam.
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  Speaker 1: I love you so much, Tina Marie. You are putting
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  Speaker 1: on costumes to steal a milkshake.
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  Speaker 2: Says this is good, This is good, she said.
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  Speaker 1: The manager said that he'd been there all day and
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  Speaker 1: never got an order for an Oreo shake. So he
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  Speaker 1: said he didn't think the order came through. I got
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  Speaker 1: the feeling he was owned me. I was like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he forgot to order it. But I was too scared,
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  Speaker 1: so she said once she had the pushback, she got
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  Speaker 1: too nervous to do it anymore. Love the Pope been
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  Speaker 1: telling everybody about there, and oh thank you so much,
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  Speaker 1: very nice things at the end. All right, Tina Marie,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about this?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I love that the fact like generally like
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  Speaker 3: he was on to the scam, probably the way it sounds,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a custard place, so he probably was very
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  Speaker 3: nice about it. But that being like the ending of
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  Speaker 3: her skin, like, oh no, this is a getting too hot.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta stop. It's getting too hot now. It's not
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  Speaker 2: thinktors kept going if you wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can just keep going to drive throughs. Boom,
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  Speaker 1: just go to drive throughs. Like but see, that's what
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  Speaker 1: happens when you scam. Is like when something gets good,
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  Speaker 1: you start trying to push it further. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: a good scammer, you know when to stop or to
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  Speaker 1: move on to a new type of scam, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you have to have a diverse
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  Speaker 1: portfolio as a scammer. You can't just have one thing
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  Speaker 1: in your back because it's so exhausted.
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  Speaker 3: So that Teina Marie, she had her food scam, but
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  Speaker 3: she should have upgraded to something else or is it
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  Speaker 3: still have to deal with food.
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  Speaker 1: I think that she could have kept scamming food. She
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  Speaker 1: just needed to move into it. Like so basically she
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  Speaker 1: could have kept scamming food. She also maybe could have
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  Speaker 1: scammed drinks. What if she started going to the bar
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  Speaker 1: and like ordering like a cocktail and then being like
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  Speaker 1: this is nasty, and like bring like a little bottle
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  Speaker 1: of water to fill it back up after she'd drink it.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't tried that, but that seems like it would
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  Speaker 1: be a decent scam. I used to bartend. I would
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  Speaker 1: just throw the drink out and make you another one.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm. I mean getting two.
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  Speaker 1: Drinks for free?
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  Speaker 2: They giving you a free game right now. She gave
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  Speaker 2: y'all free game to try.
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  Speaker 1: But Tim Marie, I think if she had kept doing
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  Speaker 1: the drive there, she would have been fine. But I
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  Speaker 1: think she got too bold with it, like you going
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  Speaker 1: to you calling a custard place. You were calling a
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  Speaker 1: custard place. Put it on a wedding ring driving down there.
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  Speaker 1: And also I think this would have worked maybe. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it worked if it was a woman either.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what what the manager Yeah, okay, well maybe,
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, if she called and asked them, hey,
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  Speaker 3: my husband left, uh you know whatever the Oreo shake, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: can I come down and get it, and somebody had
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  Speaker 3: to be like yeah, right, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: somebody to be like yeah, okay, for her to be like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna take the trip. So rather somebody
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  Speaker 3: said it, and then rather they was like, I'm let
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  Speaker 3: the manager hand order. Manager was there, he was like,
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  Speaker 3: I just want to see this person face. I want
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  Speaker 3: to see I want to see if they got a
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  Speaker 3: trustworthy So.
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  Speaker 1: The manager's either a huge hater and very petty and
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  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, come on down, Yeah, got milkshake, we
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  Speaker 1: should do. Get on down here, handspin it again. And
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  Speaker 1: they got down there and it was like, look, your bitch,
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  Speaker 1: I want to you.
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  Speaker 2: Truly, if he did.
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  Speaker 3: That, I'm giving them points. If he was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: hell yeah, come on down and get this milk. This
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  Speaker 3: Oreo milkshake hung up the funnel, was like, I ain't
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  Speaker 3: had no orio milkshake all day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to flame this bitch.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it must have been a slow day
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  Speaker 1: in the yogurt shop, because otherwise it truly doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: any sense. Because also she says she was scared in
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  Speaker 1: this moment. Why would you be scared just to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he just forgot it. He lied and told me
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  Speaker 1: he got it, Like that's not a weird thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what even happened afterward? Because then she had
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  Speaker 3: to go like, oh, he probably forgot to order it.
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  Speaker 3: And then then she then to cover her own life,
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  Speaker 3: had to be like all right, well let me get one,
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  Speaker 3: or to be like he must have forgot to order
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  Speaker 3: Well I ain't e't hungry.
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  Speaker 2: For it no more? You know, like how you get
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  Speaker 2: out of that?
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  Speaker 1: Cause also, why didn't he come back? Why did the
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  Speaker 1: husband come back? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Manager looking out the window like, oh, so is your
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  Speaker 3: husband in the car and just you Yeah, the manager.
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  Speaker 1: Was asking too many questions. She was like, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: what does your husband look like? How tall about is
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  Speaker 1: your husband? Does he have a beard?
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  Speaker 2: Show me a picture.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like this manager was patty because he could
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  Speaker 1: have just come on now that milk costs you what
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  Speaker 1: it costs you nothing because you the manager.
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  Speaker 3: Hey man, it's a custod place. They probably like they're
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  Speaker 3: not like a big corporation like McDonald's or like bird came,
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  Speaker 3: so they like we keep inventory or by a custod
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  Speaker 3: We know, if I fucking turn his milkshake machine on
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  Speaker 3: right now, that's fucking forty cents out of the door.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine a custom place that keeps inventory of every single
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  Speaker 1: ounce of custer. Are you coming to work and we're like, hey, Tim,
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  Speaker 1: can you come in here? Can you come in here
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  Speaker 1: real quick? Up? Yeah, step off the floor, take your apron.
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  Speaker 2: Off, take it off. Yeah, Okay, I don't keep it
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  Speaker 2: right here cause I got to get back out there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the thing, Tim, We're not going to
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  Speaker 1: allow you back out there.
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  Speaker 2: Why not? What's happening? You need to be back here
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  Speaker 2: in the back or something.
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  Speaker 1: No, we've been tracking every time that you work here,
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  Speaker 1: and every shift we are three and a half ounces
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  Speaker 1: short of custard when you leave. No, that's impossible, No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: we are. Okay, first of all, how y'all even know
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  Speaker 1: that we measure? Okay, I don't Thinkay, this is the
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  Speaker 1: hard times we're a small business. Is a smaller can.
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  Speaker 2: Get that, But it ain't me. I don't look I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. You look like you look like you
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  Speaker 1: eat three and a half ounces of custoard today.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't do heavy custard pores and I
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  Speaker 2: don't even touch the stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm off work. If I'm off working, I want custard.
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  Speaker 3: I come right up here and not buy it. I
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  Speaker 3: don't even get to I don't even get the employee discount.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you're getting high on
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  Speaker 1: our supply.
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  Speaker 2: No never, never that neverd sweating.
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  Speaker 1: Never that not me, like that's that's very petty. But
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  Speaker 1: you know what, shout out to you, Tina Marie for
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  Speaker 1: getting away with it as long as you did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, scarce.
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  Speaker 1: Cold, and it's time for you know what. My favorite
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  Speaker 1: segment of this podcast, Historic Hoodwinks. I am going to
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  Speaker 1: regale mister Ronney Adrian with a historic tale of fraud
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  Speaker 1: and chicanery and we're gonna get his opinions on it throughout. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, this is a historical on huh yeah, so,
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  Speaker 1: and actually this is a bit of an older one.
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  Speaker 1: Well I say older, but it's like nineteen eighty seven.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, sometimes we do really recent ones like you
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  Speaker 1: know that happened this year or whatever. It doesn't depends, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So this is about Barry J. Minkow, who is a
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  Speaker 1: former businessman, pastor and convicted felon. And I mean, just
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  Speaker 1: love the pastors in there, because I think that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I call the show scam Goddess. My mom says I'm
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  Speaker 1: too sacrilegious. I am a Christian. I do love God.
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  Speaker 1: And then you need to have that recorded on this
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  Speaker 1: podcast so that I can show God when I get
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  Speaker 1: up to the gate, like, look, I know I did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of bad shit.
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  Speaker 3: But you really think that, Like, if you like God,
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  Speaker 3: hold on before you try to condemn me, throw your
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  Speaker 3: headphones on and listen to an episode of my podcast
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  Speaker 3: real quick. And when you say I love God and
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  Speaker 3: they hear the rest of the podcast, you're gonna be like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, thank you for saying just because you
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  Speaker 3: said that part you up in here, You'll be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but what about all.
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  Speaker 1: Literally how the Bible works. They say you can just
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  Speaker 1: come back and be like, my bad, I love God,
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  Speaker 1: and then it's all I.
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  Speaker 3: Think that has to be the end though, like I
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  Speaker 3: think it's like you have to like repent, like yeah,
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  Speaker 3: my bad, I love God, and then be like all right, cool,
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  Speaker 3: I can't do no more fuck shit. I gotta and
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  Speaker 3: then like you know, like cause they got to be like.
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  Speaker 2: No, you have to start all.
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  Speaker 1: Over it very clear.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You know everybody in their deathbed is like I love
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, my Lord is, say give me a little,
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  Speaker 3: don't make me do anything, and they just sit in
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  Speaker 3: the bed and they just die. They leave me alone,
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  Speaker 3: leave me alone, don't make.
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  Speaker 1: Me sing, don't make me don't bring that sex and
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  Speaker 1: nurse in here. Don't bring nobody who gonna make me sin.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fresh.
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  Speaker 1: That's why the pastor come at the last rites and
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  Speaker 1: like you are the last person I see. Family, get out.
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  Speaker 2: Don't make me sin, don't bring that sexy nurse in here.
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  Speaker 1: Look, you gotta stay fresh to death, all right. So
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: while in high school, he founded z z Z Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so it's for z's and then the word best and
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  Speaker 1: it's pronounced z best, which sounds like a modern day
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: like cough syrup rapper. They all have the letters in
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: their names.
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  Speaker 2: A modern day cough syrup rapper.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that's what I'm calling them. I feel so
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  Speaker 1: bad Forlo Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Who's just give me one example.
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  Speaker 1: Of tripy red.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you know pretty perfect. They literally sing about copsyr
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  Speaker 1: up in every supper I want them. I hope this stop.
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  Speaker 1: So an immensely successful carpet cleaning company. So z Best
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  Speaker 1: is a carpet cleaning company. I don't know how I'm
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: supposed to know that they clean carpet. It is not
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: in the title.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's that many z's, I don't think like
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: it's some sort of like, oh, this is something that's
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: gonna help me sleep.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking like a mattress. Yeah, I'm not thinking
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: carpet cleaning. I love it.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: I'm a hellofc that you showed my plates, Like, hey,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: y'all just didn't really really tired.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: And they come in and started looking at my floor.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what you're doing right, No, I don't sleep
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: on the floor, and they're like, no, we're here for
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: the carpet. Carpet is a scam, how because when you
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: get it, then you got to maintain it, like just
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: get wood. Anyway, However, it was actually a front to
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: attract investment for a massive Ponzi scheme. So z Best
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the Carpet Cleaning Company was a front to attract investment
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: for a massive Ponzi scheme. It collapse in nineteen eighty seven,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: costing investors and lenders one hundred million dollars, set one
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: of the largest investment frauds ever perpetrated by a single person,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: as well as one of the largest accounting frauds in history.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: My mass was in here cooking these books like they
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: were stir fry.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Okay, like sir, they had to walk on the book,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: just a flicker the wrists on the books.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: A hundred million dollars.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot for
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: a carbon clean company.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know what carbon cleaning company, you know.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I get that this is a scam.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: But in some of those like Fronhunt, I know, you
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: gotta be like they gotta look, you gotta look in
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: the mirror, like sometimes you gotta look at the scam
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: and be like this is my Yeah, come on, I
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: should have known, like.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: If the niggas from Empire show up at my house
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: called Empire today, if this shows to my house, took
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: my look, we're gonna give you a hundred million dollars
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: like Empire, You ain't clean, narry enough carpet to way,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: no way, ain't enough carbon in America for y'all to
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: have a million dollars.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: So.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Minkow was born in Inglewood, California, to a Jewish family
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and was raised in San Fernando Valley. When he was
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: nine years old, I love that he's from Inglewood.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it beautiful.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: When he was nine years old, his mother got him
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: a job as a telemarketer with a carpet cleaning business
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: where she worked. So I'm gonna say that, mom, this
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: is your fault. Your major son is Scama. And yeah,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: for some reason, I got a Brooklyn accident right now.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: You got just on a job at nine years old.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: That's my illegal. Like my baby was supposed to be
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: in school, okay, and you got him calling This is
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: a joke on my TV show Florida Girls, where there's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a calling center and there's an eight year old and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: she's like, can I verify your credit card information? It's
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: literally a joke on the show that I do. And
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: he was doing this at nine years old.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, but lazy keep in mind, it's a different time.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: It's nineteen eighty seven.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: That's when. That's when the scam was. Oh yeah, I'm saying.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: But like before then, when he's nine years old, we
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: don't know how old.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: He right, so this might be like in the the sixties.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: How old is? How old is a Barry Jay Macoff?
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: We'll find out. So he was working as a telemarketer
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: for a carboncleaning business.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's some pretty I mean I can understand like
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: being the sweet boy at the at the grocery store
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: or something. But yeah, that kind of job at nine
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: years old a little bit, but all people.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: And also this is where I think the scam was born,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: because telemarketing is a scam in itself and then carpet
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: so this is his two fields of like an industry
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: since nine years old, so he knows him well, I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: get it. So by the age of fifteen, while a
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: sophomore at Cleveland High School, min Cow started z best.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: So he started this when he was fifteen years old.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: What year is this?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Let me see, we got to figure out his stage.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: First, he was born in sixty six.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: So nineteen seventy five is nine years old. Okay, so
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that makes this in nineteen seventy five, you're nine years old.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense that you might be
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: working at a call center and no one would think
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that that's bizarre.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the seventies man, right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So at fifteen years of age, he was a sophomore
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Cleveland High School and this is when he started z best.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So that's like what eighty one eighty two did. Yeah,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you keep doing that quick math for me, real quick match.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And his parents' garage with three employees and four phones.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: My nigger got employees at fifteen. This is some Steve
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Job shit. Like, didn't Steve start his shitting in the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: garage or at least Bill Gates.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Day everybody do?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Everybody started every garage.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Barry Minkof is no different.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I started scams in the garage too.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: That's why he looks with when he goes up to
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Steve Jobs and when he went up to Bill Gates,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I started scams in the garage too,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Like they do the same thing.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: We all out here scamming on h right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I mean low Ki Appleway is scamming. So so at
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: first Minkow struggled to meet basic expenses. He was plagued
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: by customer campaigns of demand for payment from suppliers, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: at times he found it difficult to make payroll face.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: With a shortage of operating capital, he financed his business
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: via check kitting, stealing and selling his grandmother's jewelry, staging
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: break ins at his offices, and running fraudulent credit card charges.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So this is when he's a bit older, because I'm like,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: he's not doing this at fifteen. So check kitting if
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you don't know what that is for our season scammers,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: they probably know. But checkkitting is a form of check fraud,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: involving taking advantage of the float to make use of
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: non existent funds. So in my culture, at least in
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: my family, this was called a post dated chick and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, cash this in two weeks, got it? Oh,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: mine is not in there yet. So basically, in this way,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: instead of being used as a negotiable instrument, checks are
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: misuse is a form of unauthorized credit, basically meaning like
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: here's a piece of paper that says I'm going to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: pay you money, but actually I don't have the money,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get the services that I need from
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you immediately and you are not gonna get the money
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: at all. I can't even believe checks were a thing.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Check checks feel crazy. You can still write people checks,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: like I'm talking personal life checks. Obviously, businesses are writing
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: checks to everyone every day, but a personalized check just
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: feels insane. I want to go to the grocery store
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and pay with a personalized check. I mean, can you?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean it's so rare. Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I worked at a I worked at a bed Bath
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: and beyond, and for the longest time I was there
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: to when checks was like a normal thing until when
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: they started to transition out, and then it was rather
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: like cash and card once even play with card.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: But it would be so jarring when.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Somebody then in the wild west of now this new
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: age where just pull out a check, You're like, oh shit, uh.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: How does work again?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, like it was just so crazy and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: they don't like And the thing about it is when
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: people who pay with checks don't give a shit about
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: time or anybody behind.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Of course not because they're paying with a piece of paper.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Every now and then somebody would be all right, cool,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: they already have it, already got the name on the
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: joint just ready for you to tell them what the amount,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: what the amount is? Not these people you'll be like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: all right, so your amount is this, like it's what.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's what? And you said thirty seven cents.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I mean LA said, you already writing right now. But
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: they got to pull out their purse first.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: They got that. Okay, cool, they'll go grab they get
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: their check book all right.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Like they didn't know they were gonna pay the check,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: so you knew.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, okay, they need to see people behind them,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: just and page looking around for other registers.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, nope, just mine.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to write hot checks. This
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: feels like such a fun time. So this is obviously
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like when mink CoP's business had it expanded, because like
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: they talk in the beginning about him being fifteen and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: working in the garage, but he's gotten older.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I was definitely like, well, I was like.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It jumped really quickly. So he's gotten old expanded his business.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So soon after Minkov expanded into he branched into the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: insurance restoration business. So now he's got the carpet cleaning company,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: he's got the insurance restoration business, which insurance itself is
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a fucking scam industry, so makes sense. With the help
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: of Tom Paget. Tom Paget sounds like a fraudster.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Wait, let me let me just to get this right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: So at this point when he started in this new thing,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: is this before or after the eighty seven when he
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: broke it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: No, this is all before eighty seven and eighty seven
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it collapsed. So he's like, this is all so yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I mean so truly.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I mean even if this is still all later this dude,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: it's like if eighty seven he was like, what twenty one,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: So like within this time he's still like fifteen to
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: twenty years old range. That's still like, I don't know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: that's big business. For that's big business.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: He was quite young during all of this, which is crazy.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But you know what, he's started scamming at nine, so
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: he's actually been in the industry for over tidy.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It's truth.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So, with the help of Tom Paget and insurance claims
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: adjuster Minkow forged numerous documents claiming that z Best was
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: involved in several restoration projects. Pageant and Minkow formed a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: fake company, Interstate Appraisal Services, which helped them to get
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: loans from banks, allowing him to expand across southern California. So,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: while most Ponzi schemes are based in like non existent businesses,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: z's best carpet cleaning division was real and won high
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: marks for its quality, so they would actually clean carpet
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and so they could kind of keep the scheme up
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: with that. However, its insurance restoration division, which to me
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense, Like, y'all are cleaning carpet and
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: then y'all also have an insurance.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Restoration what I mean.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: But you know what, Paul Mitchell makes hair products and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: he sells patrons. So yeah, it makes no sense.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you gotta have look, like you
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: said earlier, you gotta have your hands in multiple scams.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, but they were not a part of the same company.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: But okay, so they decided to go public with this shit,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: which is crazy because they know it's a Ponzi scheme
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and Ponzi schemes, which we've talked about. Oh, I haven't
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: really set episode yet. So Ponzi schemes, the way they
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: work is like people give you money, you keep their money,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and then when somebody else like gives you money and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: somebody else that you already have money from, ask for
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: money back. You just keep recycling and giving people the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: same pot of money, but they're not Actually you're not
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: making any profit. You're just taking money from someone and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: giving it to someone else to make them feel like
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you've made a profit. So that's what he's doing. So
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: he goes public with the business men Ko took the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: company public in nineteen eighty six, which is collapsed in
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, so a year later, Like, why would
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you go public with this? I don't even This is
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the audacity. See, this is just like when our girl
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Tina Marie called the yogurt land, like you doing too much.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: First of all, we have to give her a due.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: She didn't call yogurt land. That makes it sound so basic.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: She called a custard place.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, which could have been yogurt Land.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: No, yogurt is yogurt. Custard is different.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: No, it's notice.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yes it is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Custard is like that stuff that you put in like
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: donuts and stuff.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: No it's not. It's a type of cussor. But custard
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: is like ice cream. That's why she was getting a
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Oreo milkshake, you know, what I'm not doing this with you? Yeah,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I mean tweet doesn't tell us it's custard rows and yogurt.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So Minkow took the company public in nineteen eighty six,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: garnering a spot on the Nasdaq bruh. This is risky.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So the account the accountant who audited the company before
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it when public, did not visit the insurance restoration sites himself.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Had he done so, he would have discovered that they
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: were just mailboxes located throughout San Fernando Valley, so they
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: basically there's no real company there. Mincow retained of controlling interest,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: making him an instant millionaire. Going public seemingly offered him
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a way to cover up his fraudulent activities. So the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: downfall comes when accountants wanted to inspect the company's operations.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Mincow borrowed fake offices for a tour of the Interstate
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Appraisal Services and used an incomplete building to present a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: fake restoration job. So he rented some offices. Did he
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: hire actors to treatment? Like? I feel like you have
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to hire actors because you don't have employees for these offices,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: because these offices are fake, they're mailboxes.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: This is what loses me with like big huge scams
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: like this where it is like what's the end goal here,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: like because I get it if it's like, well, I'm
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: gonna be scamming, but I'm scamming simply because I don't
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: want to just live the luxury this is druxurious lifestyle
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: and have like millions and da da da. But it's
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: so funny because it's one thing that like I'm scamming
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: right now in the beginning, you know, because you got
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: to be able to get your weight up, and then
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: by the time I'll catch you up, you know, da da,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: So therefore my business would be legit, you know whatever.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: But it's another thing to be like, man, I'm scamming,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: and I'm always be scamming anything, and like.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Don't you know you're gonna get caught, Like I.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Mean, for something, get caught career scammers, and I think
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: they think like maybe they won't get caught, or maybe
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: by the time they get caught, they'll be too old
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to care. Like Bernie made Off was like oldest ship
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: when he got caught. He lived a good life.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: But was he scamming the whole time? Yes, he really was, damn.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: So he probably just thought, like you know, I'm gonna
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: keep running it up. But I get what you're saying though,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: because it's like when rappers sell crack, like whens. Soon
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: as the rap CERs get off, they stop selling cracks.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: It's not like you see jay Z on the corner,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: it's still sell.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: It's like I'm done with the crack, Like I was
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: doing a crack so I could be a rapper, Like
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: that's what I was after. When I was done selling crack,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I gotta go to the studio so you have on fighting.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: But it was just like really passionate about selling crack
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and just like continue.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: To sell like' but that's crazy.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: These people are so passionate about it, like this seems
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: like so much work.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Like they'd be like, like it's so much work to.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Be like, I gotta got I gotta can sut this
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: thing up all right, cool, gotta shut this walk through, gotta.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Go this kind of job.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: You get on back, so you're gonna be the person
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: that's you're gonna be happy to be about this place.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: And let me just see how you're Okay.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: You're the male guy, so you're gonna be pushing this
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: cart around. I want you to come by. I want
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you to have a lot of mail on the car.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, you really so you look like you haven't ever
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: done mail before. You know, we're gonna call you. We're
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: gonna call you back. I got a couple of auditions.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: You gotta come auditions for this part. It's like that's crazy.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: But it's just so crazy, like you're always having to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: like write fraudulent checks and do all this stuff, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: it's like such a like that's the scammer lifestyle is
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: so crazy because it's like so much work for what
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Like if you had this, if you had this type
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: of like mind, it was like why do should do
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: something real?
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Because this is real? Scamming is real.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Ronnie, I get this, Like I get the idea, like
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna go to the grocery I'm
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: gonna go to a grocery store and be like, yo,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: this apple. I don't know like or even what Teama
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Marie did. But when it's like all right, I'm on
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: this big platform and you gotta spend so much brain energy,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: like all right, so I'm gonna go public.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Is like you know you can spend that so much time,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: like actually thinking of something that's legit.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Well, the weird thing is is that ze Best was
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a legitimate, profitable company, like if he had to stop
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: there instead of using it to create a Ponzi scheme.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: But for all we know, he could have been laundering money,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And when you start laundering
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: money to a certain extent, you do become like a
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: public figure because if you got too much money, everybody's
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: looking at you. You know what I mean, it just
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: gets hot. I mean, obviously had enough money to rent
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: out buildings for fake tours and show a fake restoration job.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Who says rent He probably told them.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: People will be like, all right, if I can borrow
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: this building for a couple of hours, I'll clean all
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: the carbons here for free.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: See Best will clean these carbons for the rest of
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: your fucking life. Okay, just give me thirty five minutes
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and call me the CEO.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: For the rest of my life, as long as we're
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: a company, we will cleaning these carbets.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I'll clean your your carbs, your mama carpets, your cousin carpets.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: He ain't doing it, That's the whole point.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: He and that's what's going, that's the scam because then
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: he like and then his partner was like, oh, we're
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: really gonna do that?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Do that ship. I was telling her that why and
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: get this spot.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: You gotta do it because otherwise he may out you
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: know how you go out to who's gonna find He
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: gotta find people to out them.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I guess this is nineteen eighty seven. It's at Twitter age,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: You can't just tweet.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: See so a beautiful time to scam because you can't tweet,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: you can't face time, like you have to manually literally
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: go places to inspect them. So if it's in San
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Fernando and we're operating in Los Angeles and you're doing
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the accounting, I can just bring the books to you.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And also books that are cooked like if you if
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: you got if you're cooking with the right flavor. And
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you Berry was the Emerald of books. Okay,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: books better than him. So it's it's like, what do
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you compare it to? Like yeah, so you're right, there
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: is like the time period. Also it is preventing like
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: presenting challenges for him to get caught, which is beautiful.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, we live in an age where like now
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: everybody's just I think everybody's so much more bold now.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: And I say that just because they know that there
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: are so many ways for them to get caught, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: they still do shit, you know, And that's what I love,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, you can't you're gonna
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: have you can't have like two family, like two three
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: families now because at some points being like I'm gonna
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: catch it, You're gonna be in the back back then,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: like back then people as late as like what ninety nine,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: people was like, man, I can just do whatever. I've
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: got a family in Phoenix and I come home in
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles and nobody will.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Never take on the same streets. This shit is crazy,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and you're so right about that, because like there was
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: literally someone did a Yelp review that went viral about
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a restaurant and they took a photo of like their
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: food or some crazy situation in the restaurant, and then
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: someone commented under the yepperview and was like, thank you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: so much for riding the skating review because my husband's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in the back of this photo with another woman and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I just caught him and it's like not fake. Oh, shit,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: so like you can't even be cheating out here.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: You gotta be like, I won't take this fancy places
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: restaurant in the dark.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: You know you want to make a big nick in
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the woods at midnight.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And I have always listened to.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Why do we always have to meet by flashlight?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I just want to be a Angela? Oh okay, okay,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: are we good? Good? Who's Angela?
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Nothing?
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know. It's a name that I yell,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: just a name that I yelled.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Insane. Ra run so minhow became the youngest person in
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the company through an I p O, which an i
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: p O is an initial public offering. This means that
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the company is offering it shares for sale to the public,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: so you can buy into this kind ofmpany, which is
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: partially fake buildings. So Minkow launched a massive television advertisement.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Minkow was trying to get this is so good on lazy,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: this is so much, it's too much.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: This dude was doing the most.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: The confidence of this man, I love him so much.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: He launched a massive television advertising campaign portraying z Best
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: as a carpet cleaner that Southern Californians could trust. Now
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: technically you could trust the carpet cleaning. So by February
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, z Best was trading at eighteen dollars
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a share on the Nasdaq. That's pretty good, valuing the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: company at two hundred and eighty million of them. Thanks
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: WHOA Minkow's steak was worth one hundred million, so he
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: has like almost half of it. That's crazy. Then, almost
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: as rapidly as z Best rose, it fell due to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the credit card fraud for years earlier. Mencow blamed the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: fraudulent charges on immoral contractors and another employee and paid
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: back most of the victims. So remember back in the day,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: he was running skin, he was writing hot checks, he
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: was doing credit card fraud. He was selling his nana's jewelry, honey, Like,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: but you know what after I saw the Titanic, like,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: sell your nana's jewelry because she threw that stone and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: nose And I was saying, bitch, goya jumping and get
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: that ship back. What's wrong with you? And also you
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: murdered Jack, so why are you trying to throw some
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: jewelry down there? For he didn't want to get on.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: She was like, there's no room.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: She should have offered. She was so raggedy, So yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: sell your grandma jewelry. Honestly, that's the Titanic really ruined
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: different grandma's catter that grandma's. So he paid the women,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: not the women, but the people back for you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the fraudulent charges and the credit card things that he
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: had done. How he had not paid back a homemaker
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: who had been overcharged a few hundred dollars. Okay, let's
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: see how this way is that? So menhow ignored the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: woman's request to pay her back. So the woman tracked
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: down several other You cannot scam somebody with time, guys,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: all of petty. If if you ever hear this phrase
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: in your life, I got time, you better fix whatever
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that situation is and immediately, because when people have time
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and they are petty, they will ruin you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I bet you.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: This woman was like older too, like because I'm pretty
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: sure like he probably was like, oh if I scam
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: these old ass people without like, oh yeah, here's the
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: you know I do.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: He's been doing grandma scams for a while. He robbed
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: his grandma.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's like what to call it? And this
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: old woman was like, I don't know how I do
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: my due diligence.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: He was like, I don't even pay my own granny bag.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Like if me ma can't get the coins back.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Pitch like you're out of luck, Like, well me Mia ainmi.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna see, we're gonna I'm gonna see you again.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: be over to see you. Don't worry about that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So this woman tracked down several other people who had
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: been defrauded by min Cow and gave a diary of
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: her findings to the Los Angeles Times.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I remember the eighties, like what's super crazy about this
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: as being like this because we even understand about time
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: like today once again, it's so different, like in order
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: for her, she had to do so much legwork to
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: find these use a phone book. Probably this is like
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: she she was. She did she did that thing a
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: sick phone book Like this ain't like right now where
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: you're like, I'm gonna going a couple of people dms.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: You know, I've seen a couple people.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Comments and just be like, yo, tweet me if this
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: also happened to you.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to college.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna see people who also making comments on Yep,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit them up like now you got a problem,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: so on and so forth. Like this woman had to be like,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm starting from scratch.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: So she said, give me the what was it called
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the bell? The what's it? What's the phone book called?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: It's called the something bell? Yeah, So she had to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: go get the white pages and the yellow pages.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I wish I had a name for it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And I can't think of the name of the phone book.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: It was something with a bell in it. Y'all tweet
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: me names of phone books. I only saw a phone
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: book as a child, Okay, But so she had to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: get the phone book, and then I don't even know
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: how the fuck you find people who have been affected
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: by the company?
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Are you going to start? Do you even start?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Like are you just like hey, hello?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: I mean cause that that means like even then you
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: gotta get like some sort of person to give you information,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: to give you Lee's to go contact people.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: She had to get Lee.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like who you where do you start from
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: with this?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: But she was like, is she like waiting outside of
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the z B company every day? Like with like sandwiches
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and like just paper scattered everywhere, and like binoculars.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: And people storming out being like, okay, that person looking
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: had they look bad.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: We get on, let me see what's going on. Like
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: this is crazy For a few hundred bucks. She was like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, she really needed that money. Rather she
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: needed that money or the principal thing. I think it
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: was a principal thing.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It was the principalities of the issue, because if you
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: have this much time, like you did not need that
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: money yet. So then she writes a diary. Cis is
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: out here. You know, most people are writing about their
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: emotions and they're tiring her. She's in here, Like March
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: twenty four, nineteen eighty seven, I still haven't seen a
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: dime from ze Best. I called and he told me
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to fuck off. Old lady.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Sounds like those really really like old southern bales, like
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: the gen one hasn't called the lately.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I was trying to give you, like Morgan Freeman's Shawshank
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Redemption Boy. So I've been waiting outside of the z
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Best carpet.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Now the best is for eight.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Hours every day. Sometimes Fred comes by and brings me
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: a sandwich.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Minkle went out to a nice restaurant.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Hm.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Hm, odd, she's following him.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I think, is he spending my money?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Definitely?
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Probably, don't worry. I'm gonna get that back. I'm gonna
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: get that back.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I hope that she was talking him. I hope she
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, when I give to Los Angeles Times,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I'll rip out the pages about me. It's talking him,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: but I'll leave everything else.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of pages in this book as ripped out.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: You don't worry about those. They don't matter.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Since later that day, at a press conference, or reporter
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: denoted another bombshell. She had evidence that the Sacramento project
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: didn't exist and that ZIPS did not have a contractor's
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: license required for large scale restoration work. So she found
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: out that the building that they showed them wasn't real
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and wasn't theirs. And she also found out that they
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: didn't even fucking bother to go get the permits to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: do the fake job that they don't do. Damn.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, he did so much work in other areas
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: and then just slipped up on the on the on
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the small.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Detail, the details, this is the details there.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: You gotta have a secretary of scam. You gotta have
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: somebody who's like, you know what you need. You have
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: to hire a hater. You have to hire a hater,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: but they need to love you and you need to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: pay them well.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: So who they hate know in the scenario.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Everybody else okay, Because here's the thing about haters and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: small and small people who are petty and small, like
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: they'll notice details like that. That's like a hater's gonna
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: zoom in on every Instagram photo you post and check
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the walls and the corners to make sure that you
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: haven't distorted the image, you know what I mean. And
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: if you got somebody like that on your team.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Then checked the walls.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, they be doing that. Coloy Kurk actually
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: had to take down a picture because somebody zoomed in
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: and was like, why this piece of child bent like this?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And that's why you need to have a hater friend.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And you send it to your hater friend first and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you say does this look good? And they'll be like, oh, nah, bitch,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I can I can clearly see that this uh, this
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: wooden bar from the banister has been warped. So you're
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: gonna have to make your booty normal size again. Oh
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: my god, but he ain had no whity like that.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: So to calm nervous investors, Minkow issued a press release
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: touting record profits and revenues, which sir, okay, I mean
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: we have no way to prove that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the way to go. Though.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: That feels very Donald Trump to me, like we made
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of money.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean record profits, and you see, he's a
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: president the most money ever. Obviously, that goofy shit work.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Like you just tell people something like some people gonna
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: be like, I don't know, but those people will be like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: shut up, he said, we made money.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: We gonna see that soon. Don't worry about it. You're
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: gonna get that song.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy to me that so many white people
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: are so much trusting of black people and will scrutinize
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: everything we say. But then if you white, you could
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: just say crazy, wild, vague shit and they'll be.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Like, okay, don't flinch, And you can't flinch, like even
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: in the face of like so much factuals. Like that's
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: the thing about Trump. I'll give it to him. He
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: don't flinch, like he'll you put shit like right in
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: front of his face, being like, nigga, this is yours
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: own this. He's like, no, not me. I would never
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: do that. Then he'll move up there, he'll din they
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: change the subject. Also, why would I ever write on
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: paper like this?
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Why would I? You know, It's like goddamn, You're like damn.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe he right?
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Like hold on, is we wrong about this? Like, don't flinch?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Never will flinch?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Oh god? So July second, meek Out abruptly resigned for
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: health reason. By this time, his company stock had dropped
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: by eighty one percent. So I'm hoping that Minkow had
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: started selling off them shares, you know what I mean
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: before when he retired. Oh, and he retired, So I
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: wonder if when he retired he was like, let me
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: get my shares at the company.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, truly, we once again we have to put
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: this in perspective, Like, truly, this dude is up there
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: giving press conferences, probably looking like a teenage boy. He
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: is very young, right, so like this ain't some old man.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, okay, cool, we get you. Like it's
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: like you looking at somebody being like man, I mean, this.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Dude is so hot death though anybody have hot death
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: back then?
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, but I'm sure this dude still looked like,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: you know, like a scrappy dude in a fucking oversize suit.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Don't worry you.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Like there was two people standing each other looking crazy,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: trying to tell the people like, don't worry about your money.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Say it's like, how you know you twenty one years old?
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Like you don't know shit?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: And he said health reasons. You were very young, for
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: health reasons. Okay, So two days later, the Los Angeles
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: a pizza departments.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Less pizza apartment, pizza department.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: The LAPD man, fuck the LAPD. Two days later, the
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: LAPD rated these best headquarters and Minkow's home and found
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: evidence that the company was being used to launder drug
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: profits for organized crime, which I pretty much suspected in
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the beginning. So basically the restoration company that they had
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: no permits for that was a shell company. So there's
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: like a ton of different ways to launder money, and
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it's all very complicated, and sometimes we google how to
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: launder money.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, had not now though we just
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: write off the dome, let's rite do right now.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: No, I googled out of londer money because there's like layering.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Then there's placement, and then there's integration, and that's super
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: fucking vague, but it's because you can do it in
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: lots of different ways. So in this particular way, my
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Man's Bury was using his fake company, the one that
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: did restorations with no permits and no buildings, as a
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: shell company, so it was just a front. So basically
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: all the drug money that was coming in he could
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: clean by saying that they were profits from this fake
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: company that did not actually do anything. It only existed
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: on paper and mailboxes. Because remember the this is really
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the auditor's fault. But who audited my Man's before they
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: went public because he ain't want to drive the San
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Fernando Valley, so he never discovered that it was just mailboxes.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: This is tight.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: So so so for all you dough boys out there
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: listening to this scam, the scam got his podcast right
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: you out there making it. You out there on the streets,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: trying to feed your family, making your dough nobly. Of
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: course it's not for flaws and it's foot you. You
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: got to feed your family, and so you make it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: So you got a ton of dough and it's like,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: all right, well, I gotta be able to learn of this.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: So get your homie, get him to give like a
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: like a car cleaning business, like a.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: You know, like that's what we love.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: That's we love that shit that in terio darts, so
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: we do that. That shit ain't real. We know it
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: ain't real.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, what if every car cleaning business is
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a drug front? Oh, because we know laundry mats are.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what if every car climbing business. I
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: mean not every but I was like, seventy percent of
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: them probably are, you.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Know, seventy I'm the same for laundry mats. My old
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: landlord owned the laundry mat and he was very chill
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: about when my roommates would pay their rent. And I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: was like, that's because he'll need that money. And he
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: was always in make out. He was always in make out.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: So you know, you put the facts, I mean, and
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that's why I loved it. I think that's why we
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: got along. It's because we were both scammers and we knew.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: It a game. Peek game, give me, give me the
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: money when you gain.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Also, he was so nice that I'm like, he definitely
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: murdering people because everybody thinks murderers are probably like these
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: grim scary people. I think it's the people who look
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: gentle and sweet, you know when they're because it's like,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I'm good to you till you're not of use to
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: me anymore until you cross me.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I could see that.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I could so see my last landlord just being like,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: all right, man, it was nice working with you, we
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: don't want your services anymore. And then he just leaves
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: and the guy's like.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Murder the guy that's like, I see that. It's crazy. Also.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I also would love to point out the fact that
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: when Lacey said it, she was like, yeah, that's why
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: he didn't trip with my My roommates didn't pay their
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: bills all the time, Like she didn't throw herself in there.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: She was like, I always pay mine on time. She
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: didn't want to throw herself in there.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: The reason that we didn't get evicted when one of
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: my roommates and this is the reason I live alone,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: she like didn't parent ran for three months while I
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: was shooting and I came back and I was like,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I want to upgrade the apartment because I came back
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: with a little money, and my landlord was like, oh yeah,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: we could totally do that. Beforet she had to pay
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the rent, and I was like, wait, what it was
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: like first time I paid a rent? He was like, yeah,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: it's actually about to vict you guys. He sent me
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the pay per forms of how my roommates had because
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: we sent it all individually, how they had neglected they
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: had been late on rent for like two years, and
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: then like we're really pushing it now, we're like doing
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: like multiple months without paying rent.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, that's a good ass landlord,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: because you know, most of the time, if it's being
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: like all right, cool, I see that y'all three people,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: but y'all gonna be paying, y'all gonna have to give
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: it to me all at once. Yeah, I'm not gonna
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: be like going to you for yours and you for
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: yours and you for yours. Right, So I mean he
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: was really damn that's really nice.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: He was so sweet. But obviously I think that's because
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: he had other business to attend to. He was like,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I gotta go back.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably had an ultimate other tenant places, other.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and businesses. He had shell companies and books the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: good you know, he had a shit going.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: He was over there going to the Cordon Blue trying
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: to get his book, his books cooking going right.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he says, like a certified like three Michelin
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: star book cooker. That's what That's one of my goals.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: So yeah, of course they the police are up on it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: So Minkow and ten other Z Best insiders were indicted
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: by Los Angeles Federal grand jury January nineteen eighty eight
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: on fifty four counts of racketeering, securities fraud, and money laundering. Ooh,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: and embezzlement. Wait a minute, also mail fraud. Don't stop
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: the beating now, tax evasion ooh, and I was so
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: bank fraud.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: He was doing a lot. He was doing a lot.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: They hit him with the they hit him with everything.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Hey, they was like, we ain't let none of your
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: things lie, every last one of them.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Also, though, if you have ten people who are implicated
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: in this crime, I'm a little disappointed that they none
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: of them thought to get you a contract, like a
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: fake contract for your fake company. Like nobody thought to
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: make your fake company whole. Y'all couldn't build one building,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I bet you, like you can restore one joint just
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: for the culture.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Or he'd have had So I'm pretty sure, like everybody,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he probably ripped off them as well,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: probably like less like they got to eat and shit,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: but like they was like damn, I ain't even you
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Like he probably was also doing them dirty because like.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: If you have a sous chef in your kitchen and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: they see you cooking the books, like your sous chef
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: has to learn to cook as well, like when you
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: go on vacation, like the sou chef gotta run the restaurant.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Still, I mean, I think you can know if it's
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: like you got.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I think you gotta look at the time that everybody got,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: like you know, if everyone got less of times, that
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: means that.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: So let's see. So on December fourteenth, he was found
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: guilty on all of them things.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Oh shock.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: They came in and they said racketeering guilty, security is
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: fright guilty, money laundery guilty, bizman guilty, mail fraud, jail time,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: tax basion.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: And every time he like standing there like okay, but
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: not this one though, Damn all right, what's the next one?
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Damn all right? Oh, y'all can't give me on this one. No, y'
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: got no.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: They're like bank front, get the cuffs, like they threw
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the book at my man's through the phone.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: The phone whatever that is the ball. They threw the
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Southern ball phone book at them.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: So in March nineteen eighty nine, he was sentenced to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: twenty five years in prison, placed on five years probation,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: in ordered to pay twenty six million of them things
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: in restitution. Now he was worth a hundred million. He
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: did retire right two days before he got arrested. I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: wonder if he had pulled, if he had liquidated his stocks.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I wonder how much money he had, And we don't know.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: And he got twenty five years brouh. You know what
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: life is wild? Amber fucking Geiger got five fucking years
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: for shooting a man in his own goddamn home. But
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: this man got twenty five years in prison because he played, y'all.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, but to be fair to the situations, he
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: probably played a bunch of white people.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: You're right, you know what I mean.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: If Amber guy get walked up in the house and
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: shot a nice mister Rogers like white man, you know
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: what I mean.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: While he was putting, he was changing the sweater and he.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Was putting on one shoes, you know what I mean,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I mean like she probably would have would have got
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: more time.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I would have got at least ten, and she definite.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Woulda got no hugs from the family. I'm not getting
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: inswer this.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: That's not what the scammers want to hear.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: They don't want to hear that. And you know that's dark.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That's dark. We try to keep it light. But I
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: am just saying, like this sentence seems heavy, and he
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: is white. I'm abdicating for him.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, he got twenty five years, but he probably
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: didn't do it. He probably even do all twenty I.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Hope not, or I hope it was like a really
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: nice prison with like a golf course, massages and accupuncture.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, if I know my man's min cow, don't worry.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: He he living. He was living good up and there.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: He was doing okay.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: So he's young as hell, so he's gonna probably not
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: serve all twenty five who probably get out in his
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: late thirties early forties. Yeah, he also have a full life.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was doing He was doing all right. Now
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: he every now and then gets some Filet mignon to
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: come in there. He was scamming in jail.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: He so I'm sure he has got some money tucked
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: away in some offshore.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Oh come on, yeah.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: But what's crazy is also like he was wandering for
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a drug front. But they didn't.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Murk him, probably because he didn't rat. That's why why
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: he would cause like when you're.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: On RAT alone, very you were a real one. Yeah.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, all right, and you didn't say nothing. Huh, Okay.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I know a guy. I know a guy in jail
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: that can probably watch over you. Go see fat Tony.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: You'll be able to tell you.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: So while in prison, Mincow had become a born again
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Christian hallelu During his prison stay, he became involved in
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: a Christian ministry, completing coursework through Liberty University Schools Lifelong Learning.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: After Minkow's early release from prison in nineteen ninety five, like,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: yeah he ended that time.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Not at all, that ain't even close at even.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Had Wait a minute, he went to court in nineteen
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: eighty eight. Bro, he did seven years.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah he wasn't.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's still spry.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah he was good. He was like, I'm still I
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: ain't even thirty yet. I might have balling. I ain't
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: even thirty yet, look at me.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So then he goes to work as a pastor of
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: evangelism at a church at Rocky Peak in Chatsworth, California.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: All right, now, hold on before you continue to read.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: I just want to point out the fact I right
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: now and waiting for this other shoot to drop.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I don't trust it. I don't trust it.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: You don't think he really found it. I don't trust
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: you think he was like God, is that you? He
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: was like, oh shit, it's a it's a new hustle.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, we all know the church is a fantastic hustle.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Some of them are now, but some are good churches.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I'll keep it. If I don't say that, my mom
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: will get mad at me because she's sick of my shit.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: She don't want her church going friends listening to me,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: being like she's like, I raised you.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: So, in nineteen ninety seven, he became the pastor of
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Community Bible Church in San Diego.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: And Community Bible Church, Yeah all right.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: And also in nineteen ninety five, he wrote a first
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: hand account of Z Best Scam, Clean Sweep. That's what
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the book is called, and all of them. He should
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: have just called it Z Best.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Scam like clean Sweep. I was like but it's carpet though.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that don't make nod you do that? You know what,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: though clean sweep sounds better as like a scam marketing book.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't know about z Best, I probably wouldn't
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: pick that. Shut up, I wouldn't know what I was reading.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I just mean that clean sweet.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: It sounds tight until you get to the logic because
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: of you being like, oh, that shit don't even make
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: no sense. It's not even close. The carpet vacuum. Yeah,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: I know, I get it. It works perfectly. But when
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: you think it's like, oh, this don't need it sounds tight, that.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Sounds that sounds a book erotic novel.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Suction later down on the dirty ass carpet.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, sir. So all of the book's
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: proceeds went to repaying his victims.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, because obviously he didn't have that money. I
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: don't know, I don't got the money off shore. He
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: don't got the money.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: So soon after his arrival, a church member, so this
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: is when he starts the Community Bible church. Soon after
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: his arrival, a church member asked him to look into
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a money management firm in nearby Orange County, suspecting that
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: something was a miss mink out alerted federal authorities, who
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: discovered it was a three hundred and million dollar pyramid scheme.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Berry, so you became a snitch? We jesus.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I'd be reading a good book and it don't say
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: nothing about snitch. It's say love that neighbor. I get
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: that neighbor doing, not do crime, none of that business.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Well, but you also thinking about like this. He could
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: be like, all right this, I'm gonna get back in
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: they good graces. I'm a snitch on knees.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Catch get them like, hey, some of that restitution.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Come on, man, I just told him this thing, like yeah,
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: y'all can trust me. And then you are so right
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: playing the groundworker to take advantage of him later. Yes,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I mean he could be smart. Let's say, Barry, let's see.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: So this was the beginning of a fraud discovery institute,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: a for profit investigation firm, which eventually transpired I'm not
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: even gonna say that, I'm gonna save the last part.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: So he basically starts a business where he is detecting
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: fraud for the government because he has done fraud. Oh okay, right,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: So he soon attracted the attention of the media and
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: began tea appearing on TV as a fraud expert. Several
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Wall Street investors liked what they saw and they sent
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: him enough money to go after bigger targets. So now
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: the people he scammed on Wall Street are like giving
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: him money to go find other scammers. So Minkow claimed
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: to have uncovered a billion dollars worth of fraud Over
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: the years. Minkow almost always held a position in stocks
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: on which he reported. However, he has since stated that
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: while his lawyers advised him to practice was legal, it
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: was probably unethical. So now he's like kind of getting
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: into ethics and he's getting into like money laundering, drug fronts,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: businesses like this. So several companies have sued Minkow for
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: making false accusations against them, and most of which have
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: been settled out of court. So he probably raked up
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: like a bag snitching on companies. Then some companies like,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: we're not even doing fraud.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Bro bro, we over here, we legit over here, bru,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: this is crazy.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Probably snitched on every laundry company anytime. When he drove
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: past a washing phone, he called the.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Face it don't look good over here, and he was.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Probably right seventy percent of the time, So some of
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: the washing poles were like, damn, we're not actually doing crime.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: So one month after me Kat learned that he was
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: a subject of a criminal investigation, he announced through his
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: attorney that he was bleeding guilty on one count of
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: insider trading. So remember he was going to figure out
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: companies like if they were doing fraud, checking their books
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: things like that. Also, he had specific stock intel because
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: that's on what he was basically reporting the most. Because
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: his fraud, even though it had to do with money
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: laundering with his like Shell company, he also defrauded like
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Wall Street, the nas DAC, and so he's basically going
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: and specific specifically looking at stocks. So he was using
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: this information while he was fraud detected to do insider
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: trading stopped doing.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I mean this was a lower scale like because he's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: definitely like, oh okay, like this one. He probably was
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: like this is so damn easy, Like they thrown this
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: right into my lap.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Right, They're literally paying me to come in here, look
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: it inside information, and then I can go use it.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: I ain't got to hire no I ain't got to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: hire no fake company. I ain't got to make no commercials.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I have to get on backstitch dot com and Craigslist
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: and Backpage. I don't have to do mail fraud.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: I don't got to get like ten of my homies
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: in this I can get It's just me.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: This is tight, This is fantastic crazy. So Minkow claims
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: not to know at the time that he was breaking
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: the law, which is my favorite excuse. He said, Oh,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: you mean I can't go look at a company's reports
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: and stocks and they use that information to purchase says stocks.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Oh man, it's the first I'm hearing about this.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Also, he's still pretty young, so maybe people will believe me.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: In a pre sentencing evaluation, Minkow was diagnosed as having
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: antisocial personality disorder NARCISSI wait, this is a long list.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: So Minkaw was diagnosed with having anti social personality disorder,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: narcissistic personality disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, anxiety disorder, opioid dependence,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: anabolic steroid abuse, and he was diagnosed with migrain headaches.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: M okay, so the headaches is really what everything else
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: on here? I hate mental health shaming. I think these
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: are all legitimate. I know they are, but you go
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: tell the judge you had headaches, and that's why you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: did insider trading, Like you gotta understand, Like it's just
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the excesion wasn't working, so I had to start insider trading.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Have you, judge, have you ever had a bad migrain?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Like I got them all the time, Like I can't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: even And.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: That's why I have to break the law.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I have to break the law.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Health stuff ain't easy. It ain't easier get to health
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: care like what.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: So two months later it emerged the officials within the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: church had accused me God of running a fraud discovery
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: institute with church funds, applying for credit cards in the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: name of church. Miss he's still doing?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Is he still passion at this time?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: By the way, all right, okay, Mary, all right? They
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: go to find this stuff, and they also be like,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: all right, but I gotta get the sermon. I gotta
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: serve problem for Sunday, all right, Mary, Okay, Man, we're
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: busy man at your community Bible church. That's not even
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: the denomination.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: It's like what church is?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: This is a Bible church trying to get everybody like
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: man I down, nobody whoever Baptist.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Presbyterian ain't doing no denominations on the market.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Did you like the Bible?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: He said, We're not even non denominational. Okay, we just
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: all denominational.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Y'all believe Jesus is Lord in. Come on in, we.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Got something fight. So he was still running the church
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: at the time and applying. What's really sending me is
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: that he was applying for the cards in church members' names.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: That's why he was doing that. Yes, and he was
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: leading his flock into bad investments. Sir. So when you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: preaching on Sunday, are you getting up? Like? Hello, everyone,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much for coming out here today.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: The Lord hath told me that gold is up, Like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: is this ernest and young? Or is this a church?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Even honestly, I don't even believe. I don't believe he
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: wrote it, ever wrote a sermon.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: I would say.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: I believe he probably went to other churches, like night
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: churches or like a church on a Wednesday, and it
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: sold abody sermon and it just went to the church
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: and to get gave him to that.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: You're right, I would believe that. So one woman says
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: that mink Cop asked her for three hundred thousand dollars,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: purportedly to help finance a movie about his redemption. Sir,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: if my pastor ever asked me for three thousand dollars, hey,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you might saying after church?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, hey, yeah, great sermon right way? Sounds so
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: fresh and original.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know i'ven't noticing that you. You look real
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: blessed these days? Are those?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yes? These? Oh yes, of course these are.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Wise.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: My grandma died and like she left me with a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: lot of money. I don't know if she has much
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: money as she did. And you know, I've inspirst and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: just a little bit to kind of made myself feel.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: The Lord, the Lord taketh, and the Lord giveth, and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: the Lord has instructed ye to give it as well.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did you?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Tie?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Did you give ten percent of your grandma's money?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say ten percent, pastors, but I gave more
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: than I usually give.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: But how about we give it to me? Is it
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: as an investment in a blessing?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: An investment for what, pastor, you will.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Help me anoint the silver screens of this great nation?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, how much money?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, past, I gotta be honest.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I'm a little bit about movies that move about to
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: be trashed in dollars.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: That's not enough to make a good movie. He's talking
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: the iPhone in the nineties. Yeah, okay.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: So he admitted to embezzling over three million dollars in
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: donations to community Bible church. Why is he asking for
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: three hundredousand dollars? If he's in bezzel three million, what
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: is he spending his money? Arms?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing I'm learning about business stuff,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: And like, guess what, when you even have money, you
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: don't spend your own money like you spend other You
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: spend like the banks money other.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: But that's why he's like, I'll spend my own money.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I know the rules to this. I've been scamming since
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I was nine years old. I know the rules for this.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: He has been scamming since he was nine. So he
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: opened unauthor unauthorized bank accounts on the church's behalf forged
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: signatures on the churches checks, diverted money from church accounts
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: to his personal use, and charged unauthorized personal experiences on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: the church credit cards, get stop massages on Jesus, cars
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: on Jesus, put everything on Jesus. Among his victims were
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: a widower who gave seventy five thousand dollars to fund
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: a supposed hospital in Sudan to honor his wife after
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: she died of cancer, and a woman who gave me
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: caught three hundred thousand dollars that would have otherwise gone
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: to help raise her teenage granddaughter.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: This dude really sold somebody. Yo, give me some money,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna and it's go. I'm gonna go build
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: a hospital in the suit Dan.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I thought. I didn't think that.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: This turned the globe and was like the su Dan,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: that's what I'm gonna say, the Sudan.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Someplace I know you'll never You ain't.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Never going to the Sudan. Oh my god.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: So, but that's sad. He did it for his late wife.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: So I feel bad for him.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh he yeah, that's so sad. No jokes on you,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: my man. I'm sorry about that, man. Sorry for your loss.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Sorry for your loss.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Okay. So, in June twenty fourteen, we cowach an agreement
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: with the federal prosecutors that called for him to pay
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: three point four million dollars in restitution again on top
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: of his twenty six million dollar restitution, so he the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: book must not have done that well because it did
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: not pay off his twenty six mil as a result
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: of his last sentence. Minkou was released June sixth, twenty nineteen.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: My man's just got out.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Oh t G.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Lizzie first day out. So it looks like they may
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: be doing a film adaptation.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, this was all interesting.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: And actually they did so following his release, it was canceled, like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: so they were going to actually do a film adaptation
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: and it was canceled when he got arrested. So then
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: the film was retitled con Man and the original title
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: was mink Cow and it was It was released in
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: March twenty eighteen, con.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Man, con Man and it's about him though, Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Huh, everybody go out watch Conman.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Go watch con Man.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Probably on Amazon, I mean Netflix.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: This is so interesting and coapellaing like, and he got
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: all them diseases and all that stuff like so it's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: just like I can feel like he just like, yeah,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: I can see that the notion that he just like, look, man,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: I scam once and I just can't stop at that
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: I can't stop scamming. I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: keep I'm gonna put credit cards in people names, I'm
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: gonna ask people for money that I shouldn't be asking.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be doing all this on top of the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: fact that I'm getting I'm getting the bag also doing
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: the fraud shit like, but I can't stop getting money.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Like if people gonna give me this money, I can't
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: stop taking.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: It from him.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Can't stop, won't stop, yeah.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Until they tend me to jail. I can't stop. Won't
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: stop till they send me to jail.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: And then they keep letting him out. He did a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: bid this time, though, because he got out in twenty nineteen,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: so he did a bit.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guarantee you right now, like he like,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: you know what, man, I can't scam, Yeah exactly, I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: ain't thinking here, Like all right, man, what's a scam
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: that's not gonna get me in jail? You know, i'mna
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: just I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna start.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna start going scamming food, getting this free food.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: First one, let me go in here first of all,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: I'm hungry. Let me go to this McDonald's real quick
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: and till they didn't get my mic chicken sound.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna go all the way down. I'm
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: gonna say, you'll start washing cars. You can clean money with.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: That watching cars.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: He's already he gonna figure out a way to like
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: get in on somebody else's car washing business.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, you know what, I can really help you
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: expand your business.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: I'm really good, all right, guys.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, I hate this part and I have to let
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Ronnie go. Yeah, it's been wonderful.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: This has really been very interesting. I learned a lot
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: and I did too. I want to go home and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: try to read more up on money laudery. Not to
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: do it, I am too not to do it, but
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: just just to know.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: The specifics of each type of money laundering, just to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: know it's crazy.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: You've watched so many I've seen so many movies where
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: that is a crime that people are accused of, and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, yeah, okay, cool, But you really don't
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: really know the intricacies.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: No, they're not putting it out there. I gotta get
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: on the dark web. So the scammer of the week
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: is Bruce Badgely. This is the segment of the show
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: where we honor one charlatan that's really wor of our praise.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: And this week Ite's Bruce Bradley, a university professor seen
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: as an expert on organized crimes and the drug trade,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: has been arrested for allegedly laundering millions of dollars. Really
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: stayed on theme with this episode, so he was an expert,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: but then he also was doing the laundering. So the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: professor of international relations at the University of Miami's accused
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: of helping launder three hundred million dollars of dirty money
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: from Venezuela while skimming about three hundred thousand for himself.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Other reports say that the total involved is two point
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: five million, which he's accused of receiving from bank accounts
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: in Switzerland, always scamming to have a Swiss bank account,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: and they were the proceeds of bribery and embezzlement in Venezuela.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: So the US attorney said in a statement that Badgeley,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: who was held on Monday and retained about ten percent
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: as commission. He's charged with two counts of money laundering
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: and one count of conspiracy to commit money laundry. Badgely
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: is seventy three and considered one of the foremost experts
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: in the field. He wrote the twenty fifteen book Drug Trafficking,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Organized Crime, and Violence in Today's America. The academic has
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: previously worked and consulted with the FBI, as well as
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: the US State Department and the DEA. So maybe we
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: need to be looking at these experts because I mean,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you know how to do it. I mean, also, I
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: think that's dope because you could give the government just
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: enough tea, but you don't have to give them all
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: the tricks. You save the new shit for yourself. And
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: then also you get to learn how much technology the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: government actually.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Has and what they Yeah, I mean, that's a crazy
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: like to be on the inside, Like that's also a
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: form of boldness, to be on the inside being like
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: all right cool and I'm scaming on the inside of
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: being like and it's just so full perp.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: I can't I won't get caught. And then so they
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: trust me, like how they like.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: They'll never even be looking into you while meeting them. Yeah,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: while they're like, oh man, uh, Bruce showed up today
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: looking real clean?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Is Royce?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a professor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm tenured.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm old.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: I've been living saving money for a long time, saved
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: my money, my whole life, whole life. I thought I
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: was spurge. Finally, you know what else I'm gonna do
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: with it? It's like, all right, Bruce, I feel.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Like a seventy three. If he helped y'all catch all
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: these people, y'all can't make him go to jail for this,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: like let my mass go.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, he probably that's what he probably thought too.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: He probably put him in the room and being like
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Bruce could do this to us, Bruce.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: They fucking know him, And I'm like, oh, like, Bruce,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: like you know how they got him too. They probably
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: didn't even like arrest him. There was just like, let's
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: just let him show up for work. To set him
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: show up to work today, Bruce, you're gonna have to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: give us your key card.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Why what happened?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: I'm getting fired? No, you're going to federal prison.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: That don't sound right? Why?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't do that.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Look, I investigated myself. I definitely did that.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: I investigated myself.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: I investment.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: I guess I came out clean. I investigated myself and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: I came out clean.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Oh man, Ronnie, this has been fantastic.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a real interesting and enlightening show.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're since here.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: I mean I am.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: I was literally I didn't know what this was and
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: I came to this and them was like, oh okay,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: this is very interesting.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Well, Ronnie, where do you want to be found?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Oh? I guess you can find me on a gram
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: bones Adrian. I'm also on Twitter, but who cares. I'm
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: never on it.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: I perform at the right citis is Bigade Theater, UCB Theater.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: I got a show there every Saturday ten thirty and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: every second Friday at ten Thursday.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: And one of the names of those shows.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: One is called Maked Hot with my Team White Women,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: and the other one Saturdays is Less Party with the Dragons.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, guys, and as always, you can find
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: us at scam gottesspot at gmail dot com. So and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: that's your scams. Make sure they're retired or if you've
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: been scammed, do you want to share, please let us know.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: We also love sharing that with the congregation. Guys. You
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: can find our podcast at scam gottes Pod, on Twitter
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: and on Instagram and You can find me at d
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I v A l A c I Diva Lacy on
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: all platforms. All right, Congregation, stay scheming. Damn God is