Latest / Reformed Thinking / The Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan - Adventures on the Enchanted Ground
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- 0:00Reformed thinking presence. The deep dive.
- 0:02Welcome to the deep dive. Hello there, good to be diving
- 0:06in. Today we're taking a really
- 0:08close look at some source material you shared.
- 0:11It's centered on a classic depiction of the Christian walk.
- 0:15Right, a well known one. Think of this as sort of a guide
- 0:18drawn straight from these pages. We want to help you pull out the
- 0:21most significant insights you know without getting lost in
- 0:24every single detail. Exactly.
- 0:25We've got notes here, excerpts that touch on spiritual dangers,
- 0:30what real saving faith looks like, and why some people seem
- 0:34to start strong but then fall away, and of course, what the
- 0:37ultimate hope is for those who persevere.
- 0:39Our aim is to help you understand what's being
- 0:41presented here, pulling out some maybe surprising facts and
- 0:44helping you grasp the core ideas.
- 0:46Yeah, we'll be digging into descriptions of specific places
- 0:48like the Enchanted Ground, the country of Beulah, and looking
- 0:52at different ways people approach the spiritual life.
- 0:55We see that in figures like Hopeful Christian and Ignorance.
- 1:00So let's unpack this material together and see what light it
- 1:03sheds on the path of faith described in these sources.
- 1:06Sounds good? OK, so first up the source
- 1:09material takes us to this place called the Enchanted Ground.
- 1:12What exactly is this place and what's the main issue the
- 1:15pilgrims run into there? Well, the text describes it as
- 1:18the specific country, and its key feature is the atmosphere,
- 1:23the air itself. The air, Yeah, natural makes 1
- 1:26drowsy. Is it particularly effects
- 1:28strangers? People not used to it.
- 1:30And we see that help pretty much immediately, right?
- 1:33He says. He feels dull, heavy, can barely
- 1:36keep his eyes open. That's right, and his first
- 1:38thought is just let's take a nap right here.
- 1:40Is lie down and sleep. Exactly.
- 1:42And it's clear this represents a a spiritual danger.
- 1:47The sleepiness isn't just being physically tired from walking.
- 1:50It's an allegory. It is.
- 1:51It symbolizes spiritual apathy, maybe lethargy or just
- 1:55complacency, that feeling of just wanting to coast
- 1:58spiritually. And Christian sees the danger
- 2:01straight away. He does, He warns, hopeful,
- 2:02immediately against sleeping there.
- 2:04Says if you do, you might never awake more.
- 2:06Wow, that's serious. It is, and he actually recalls a
- 2:09warning they received earlier from the shepherds.
- 2:11They specifically said beware of the enchanted ground and even
- 2:15more beware of sleeping. And he backs this up with
- 2:19Scripture too. He does.
- 2:21He quotes First Thessalonians 5.6.
- 2:24Therefore, let us not sleep as do others, but let us watch and
- 2:27be sober. So it connects directly to that
- 2:30biblical call for spiritual alertness.
- 2:32Precisely, it shows that this allegorical drowsiness has a
- 2:36real parallel in the believers life, the need to stay watchful
- 2:39and discerning. OK, so they're faced with this,
- 2:42this powerful urge to just give in and sleep.
- 2:45How do they decide to fight it? Christian proposes a strategy.
- 2:49He says they should fall into good discourse.
- 2:52Good discourse meaning good conversation.
- 2:54Right, meaningful talk and hopeful agrees right away.
- 2:57He actually recognizes he was at fault for suggesting sleep.
- 3:00He admits it was a mistake. Yeah, he says.
- 3:02I acknowledge myself in a fault, and had I been here alone, I
- 3:05had, by sleeping, run the danger of death.
- 3:08He sees Christian's presence as a mercy, realizing how hard it
- 3:11would be to stay awake by himself.
- 3:13Christian even has a little song about it.
- 3:15He does Saints fellowship if it be managed well, keeps them
- 3:19awake and that in spite of hell. That line, in spite of hell,
- 3:24really lands the seriousness of it, doesn't it?
- 3:26Even against something that feels passive, like sleepiness.
- 3:29It does. It frames it as part of a
- 3:31spiritual battle. So what does this suggest to
- 3:34you? Listening in about the value of
- 3:36community, not just for big trials, but for staying
- 3:39spiritually awake during those times that might feel, I don't
- 3:42know, flat or spiritually dull. And it's important that this
- 3:45good discourse isn't just idle chat.
- 3:48They decide on a very specific topic.
- 3:50What do they choose? They decide to talk about where
- 3:53God began with us. They resolved to tell each other
- 3:56their conversion stories. That's interesting.
- 3:58Not just any topic to keep them awake, but something deeply
- 4:01personal and focused on God's work.
- 4:03It really speaks to the power of remembering and recounting God's
- 4:07grace in your life as a way to well re energize spiritually to
- 4:12stay alert. And this active engagement, this
- 4:14focused talk, is contrasted sharply with another character
- 4:17mentioned, ignorance. Right.
- 4:19The text points out that while Christian and hopeful are deep
- 4:21in this important conversation, ignorance is just loiterith
- 4:25behind. He prefers to be alone.
- 4:28Yeah, when they catch up to him later, he says.
- 4:30I take my pleasure in walking alone even more a great deal
- 4:33than in company, unless I like it the better.
- 4:36He clearly doesn't care for their company, especially, it
- 4:39seems, when the talk gets spiritually challenging.
- 4:41So he chooses isolation in the very place where fellowship and
- 4:45spiritual talk are shown as the way to avoid danger.
- 4:48Exactly. His isolation on the enchanted
- 4:50ground is presented as a key difference and really a
- 4:53significant problem for him. That decision to talk about
- 4:56where God began with us really sets the stage leading directly
- 5:00into Hopeful sharing his story. That does.
- 5:03Hopeful's account is quite detailed in the sources.
- 5:06Where did he actually start from?
- 5:07What was his life like before? He describes his old life as
- 5:10being completely wrapped up in worldly pleasures.
- 5:13He mentions being at our fair, which is Vanity Fair.
- 5:16Vanity Fair, OK. And he lists the kinds of things
- 5:20he chased, treasures, riches, but also rioting, reveling,
- 5:25drinking, swearing, lying, uncleanness, breaking the
- 5:29Sabbath, a whole list. And how does he view that life
- 5:32looking back? Very starkly, he says plainly
- 5:36that if he had continued in those things, they would have
- 5:38drowned me in perdition and destruction.
- 5:41So what was the turning point? He mentions hearing divine
- 5:44things. Yes, that was the catalyst.
- 5:46He heard these things from Christian and also from
- 5:48faithful. And he mentions Faithful dying
- 5:50in Vanity Fair, right? Hearing their words brought
- 5:53about his initial conviction. He started to understand that
- 5:56the end of these things is death and that God's judgment comes on
- 5:59those who live disobediently like he had been.
- 6:02Did he just accept this conviction right away?
- 6:04No, not at all. He describes resisting it quite
- 6:06actively at first. He says he was not willing
- 6:09presently to know the evil of sin, nor the damnation that
- 6:11followed. He tried in his words to shut
- 6:14mine eyes against the light of God's Word when it started
- 6:17troubling him. Why did he resist?
- 6:19What reasons does he give? He lists a few things. 1 He
- 6:22didn't realize this inner turmoil was actually God working
- 6:25on him. He didn't know that's how God
- 6:27often begins the conversion process. 2 Sin itself was still
- 6:32sweet to my flesh. He found it genuinely hard to
- 6:35think about leaving it. Three, he couldn't easily part
- 6:38with his old friends and their lifestyle.
- 6:40The Social poll. Exactly.
- 6:42And 4th The times when conviction hit hard were just
- 6:46deeply unpleasant, troublesome and such hard affrighting hours.
- 6:50He calls them painful experiences.
- 6:52So he tried to push it down, but the trouble kept coming back.
- 6:55It did. And he says it returned worse
- 6:57than I was before. He even lists specific things
- 7:01that would trigger his awareness of sin again.
- 7:03Like what? Things like meeting a good man,
- 7:05hearing the Bible read, getting sick, hearing about neighbors
- 7:08being sick, a funeral bell tolling, thinking about his own
- 7:11death, hearing of others dying suddenly.
- 7:13Everyday reminders. Yes, and especially, he says,
- 7:17thinking about coming to judgement, that one seemed
- 7:19particularly potent. And what effect did this
- 7:22returning conviction have? He says the guilt got a faster
- 7:25hold on his conscience. He couldn't shake it off as
- 7:27easily, and even just thinking about going back to his old sins
- 7:31now that his mind was starting to be troubled brought double
- 7:34torment. So facing this persistent guilt,
- 7:37this fear, he couldn't escape. What did he try first?
- 7:40What was his solution? His first attempt was self
- 7:43improvement. He decided to endeavor to mend
- 7:46my life, believing he was sure to be damned if he didn't.
- 7:49So he started trying to live better, follow religious rules.
- 7:53That's exactly it. He details his efforts.
- 7:56He fled from obvious sins and the company that led him into
- 7:59them. He he took me, as he puts it, to
- 8:03religious duties as prayer, reading, weeping for sin,
- 8:07speaking truth to my neighbors, etcetera.
- 8:09He tried to do all the right things.
- 8:11And did that work? Did it bring peace?
- 8:13For a little while, he says he felt some relief like well then.
- 8:16But the sources make it clear his trouble returned over the
- 8:18neck of all my reformation. So why wasn't his self reform
- 8:21enough? What was the problem?
- 8:23The core issue was that these outward changes didn't fix the
- 8:26underlying problem, and they couldn't stand up against what
- 8:29Scripture said. Specific verses really troubled
- 8:32him. Which ones?
- 8:33Things like all our righteousnesses are as filthy
- 8:36rags, or by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
- 8:41And when you shall have done all those things, say we are
- 8:44unprofitable. Those are powerful statements
- 8:47about human effort. How did he interpret them?
- 8:49They led him to a crucial realization.
- 8:52He reasoned. If all his righteous acts are
- 8:55like filthy rags, if no one can be justified by keeping the law,
- 9:00if even doing everything commanded still leaves him
- 9:02unprofitable, then hoping to get to heaven by the law by his own
- 9:07efforts was just folly, complete foolishness.
- 9:10He used an analogy, didn't he, about debt?
- 9:12Yes, a really helpful 1. He compared it to running up a
- 9:15huge debt, say 100 lbs with a shopkeeper.
- 9:18Even if he started paying for everything he bought from that
- 9:20point on, the old £100 debt was still on the books.
- 9:22Right, the past debt remains. Exactly.
- 9:25The shopkeeper could still sue him for that old debt and have
- 9:28him thrown in prison. He saw his sins as having run a
- 9:32great way into God's book, and his current attempts at living
- 9:35better couldn't erase that past record.
- 9:37He was still liable for judgement because of his former
- 9:40transgressions. And it wasn't just the past.
- 9:42He saw a problem even in his current religious activities.
- 9:45Yes, this is a critical point in the source.
- 9:48He realized that when he looked closely at the best of what I do
- 9:51now, even his prayers or acts of charity, he still saw sin, new
- 9:56sin, mixing itself with them. This forced him to conclude
- 10:00that, contrary to his earlier optimism about his duties, there
- 10:03was enough sin in one single religious act he performed to
- 10:07condemn him to hell, even if his past life had been perfect.
- 10:10That's a deep understanding of sins pervasiveness, seeing it
- 10:13taint even his best efforts. Have you ever felt that
- 10:16frustration? Trying hard to be good enough
- 10:18only to realize your efforts just don't measure up.
- 10:21It's a central theme here, the inadequacy of self righteousness
- 10:25no matter how sincere it looks. And it was this realization that
- 10:28he couldn't save himself that led him to turn to faithful for
- 10:32advice. OK, so he's desperate.
- 10:35What was the critical advice Faithful gave him?
- 10:38Faithful told him something quite radical.
- 10:41Unless he could get the righteousness of a man who would
- 10:43never sinned, then neither his own righteousness nor anyone
- 10:46else in the world could save him.
- 10:48That must. Have been hard to hear
- 10:50initially. Hopeful admits it was.
- 10:52He says if Faithful had told him that back when he felt good
- 10:55about his self reforms, he'd have just dismissed him as a
- 10:57fool. But now, facing his own
- 11:00infirmity and the sin that clues to my best performance, he says
- 11:03he was forced to be of his opinion.
- 11:05He had to agree. Faithful then identified who
- 11:08this sinless man was. He named him the Lord Jesus, the
- 11:12one who is a God's right hand. And explain how someone gets
- 11:15right with God through him. He explained that justification,
- 11:19being declared righteous by God, comes by trusting to what He has
- 11:23done by Himself in the days of His flesh and suffered when He
- 11:26did hang on the tree. So it's about Christ's own
- 11:28actions and suffering being credited to the believer.
- 11:31Exactly. Christ's personal obedience to
- 11:33God's law throughout his life and His death on the cross as
- 11:37payment for sin are counted or imputed to the one who trusts in
- 11:40Him. And why is Christ's work
- 11:43sufficient for this? Because, Faithful explained, he
- 11:46is the mighty God. His actions and his worthiness
- 11:50are therefore sufficient to be imputed to Hopeful, if Hopeful
- 11:53would believe. So hopeful.
- 11:55Here's this amazing truth. Justification through Christ's
- 11:58righteousness alone. Did he just accept it right then
- 12:01and there? No, he had an immediate
- 12:03objection. He worried that Jesus might not
- 12:05willing to save me, perhaps because his sins were so great.
- 12:09How did faithful counter that fear?
- 12:11Faithful gave him a simple invitation.
- 12:13Go to him and see Hopeful, worried that might be
- 12:15presumptuous, but faithful assured him it wasn't because he
- 12:18was specifically invited to come.
- 12:20He referenced Matthew 11.28. Come unto me, all ye that labor,
- 12:24and are heavy laden. So the invitation is open.
- 12:26Yes, and faithful also gave him a book of Jesus.
- 12:30He's indicting the Bible, saying its truth was more reliable than
- 12:34heaven and earth, to encourage him to approach Christ freely.
- 12:37Did Faithful give him practical steps on how to see Christ?
- 12:40He did, He told Keith's Felony hopeful.
- 12:44He must entreat upon your knees with all your heart and soul the
- 12:48Father to reveal him to you. He pointed him to the mercy
- 12:52seat, the place where God makes himself available to forgive
- 12:54those who come. And even gave him words to pray.
- 12:57Yes, a pattern for prayer, acknowledging he was a Sinner,
- 13:00asking God to help him know and believe in Jesus Christ, stating
- 13:03plainly he was lost without Christ's righteousness and faith
- 13:06in it, and appealing to God's mercy to show his grace through
- 13:09Christ. Now this wasn't just a one time
- 13:11prayer for hopeful, was it? Oh, no, far from it.
- 13:14Hopeful says. He prayed this prayer over and
- 13:16over and over. In the sources note, the Father
- 13:18didn't reveal his son immediately, not at the first
- 13:20nor second, nor at the sixth time neither.
- 13:23That must have been incredibly discouraging, praying like that
- 13:25and seemingly getting no answer. It was hopeful admits he thought
- 13:30about just giving up prayer 100 times, twice told.
- 13:33So why did he keep going? What kept him seeking?
- 13:36He gives two key reasons. First, he was utterly convinced
- 13:39of what faithful had told him. Without the righteousness of
- 13:42this Christ, all the world could not save me.
- 13:45He reasoned. If I leave off, I die, and I can
- 13:48but die at the throne of grace. Continuing to seek was his only
- 13:52hope. OK, that conviction was deep.
- 13:54What was the second reason? A specific promise came to his
- 13:58mind and sustained him though it Terry wait for it because it
- 14:02will surely come, it will not. Terry from Habakkuk 2.3.
- 14:06That promise gave him strength to wait.
- 14:08What can you take away from hopefuls?
- 14:09Persistence here. Waiting on God, especially when
- 14:13answers seem delayed, requires holding on to the truth you've
- 14:15learned and the promises given. Absolutely.
- 14:17And then, after all that determined seeking, the
- 14:20revelation finally came. Tell us about that moment.
- 14:22When and how did it happen? He says.
- 14:23It occurred when he was feeling profoundly sad.
- 14:26He had a fresh, overwhelming sense of the greatness and
- 14:29vileness of my sins, and he was basically expecting judgement,
- 14:32expecting hell. And the revelation itself, how
- 14:35did he perceive Christ? It wasn't with his physical
- 14:37eyes, he clarifies, but with the eyes of my understanding.
- 14:41He saw or perceived the Lord Jesus looking down from heaven
- 14:44towards him, and he heard him say, Believe on the Lord Jesus
- 14:48Christ and thou shalt be saved. That's Acts 16.31.
- 14:52And he confessed his sinfulness right then.
- 14:54He did, He cried out about how great a Sinner he was, and the
- 14:57reply he perceived from Jesus was My grace is sufficient for
- 15:01thee from 2nd Corinthians 12.9, a direct answer to his deep
- 15:05sense of unworthiness. How did he then understand what
- 15:07believing actually meant? He connected it with coming to
- 15:11Christ. He saw from John 6.35, He that
- 15:14cometh to me shall never hunger, and he that believeth on me
- 15:17shall never thirst. That believing in coming was all
- 15:19one. It meant his heart and
- 15:21affections were running out after salvation by Christ.
- 15:24He also received assurance that whoever comes Jesus would in no
- 15:27wise cast out. And he was given more
- 15:29instruction on where to fix his belief.
- 15:31Yes, he was guided to focus on Christ as the one who came
- 15:35specifically to save sinners, who is the end of the law for
- 15:39righteousness, for believers who died for sins and rose for
- 15:42justification, who loved believers and wash them from
- 15:44sin, who acts as mediator and who intercedes for them.
- 15:48His faith was to rest entirely on Christ's person and has
- 15:51finished work. In this revelation, this true
- 15:55saving belief, what effect did it have on him?
- 15:58The sources describe an immediate and dramatic change.
- 16:01Great joy flooded his heart, tears filled his eyes, and his
- 16:05affections overflowed with love. Love for Jesus Christ, for His
- 16:09name, His people and His ways. What other specific changes did
- 16:13he experience inwardly? Several key things.
- 16:16He saw that the whole world, despite any outward
- 16:19righteousness, stands condemned before God.
- 16:22He saw how God, being perfectly just, could justly justify the
- 16:25Sinner who comes to him through Christ.
- 16:26This resolved his earlier struggle.
- 16:29He felt deep shame for his old life and was stunned by his
- 16:31previous ignorance, saying he'd never truly seen the beauty of
- 16:34Jesus Christ before. It created in him a love for a
- 16:37holy life and a powerful desire to do something for Christ's
- 16:41honor. He even felt willing to suffer,
- 16:44even die for Christ if necessary.
- 16:47That sounds like a complete reorientation of his entire
- 16:49being. It really does, and the sources
- 16:51emphasized that this true faith isn't a human achievement, but
- 16:54is wrought by the exceeding greatness of His mighty power.
- 16:58Quoting Ephesians 1.18 to 19, It's presented as God's powerful
- 17:02work in the soul. This is the picture of genuine
- 17:05saving conversion presented in these sources.
- 17:07Now let's contrast this sharply with ignorance, whose approach
- 17:10was fundamentally different. Right.
- 17:12While Christian and hopeful, we're having that vital faith
- 17:15strengthening conversation on the enchanted ground.
- 17:17Ignorance, as we noted, was lagging behind choosing to walk.
- 17:21Alone, that detachment is key. It highlights his separation
- 17:24from the very fellowship that was helping the others resist
- 17:27spiritual drowsiness in that dangerous place.
- 17:29He confirms it himself later, saying I take my pleasure in
- 17:32walking alone. When they do stop for him and
- 17:34ask how things stand between God and his soul, his answer reveals
- 17:38everything about his foundation for hope.
- 17:41What does he rely on? He says he hopes well because
- 17:44he's always full of good motions that come into my mind to
- 17:47comfort me as I walk. Good motions.
- 17:50What does he mean by that? He explains them as thinking
- 17:52about God in heaven, desiring them and claiming that he thinks
- 17:56about them and has in his mind leave all for them.
- 18:00Christian immediately challenges that, doesn't he, saying mere
- 18:03thoughts or desires aren't enough.
- 18:05Yes, he points out that even devils and lost souls can think
- 18:08about God in heaven. He quotes Proverbs 13.4.
- 18:11The soul of the sluggard desireth and hath nothing.
- 18:15Desire without reality is empty. It seems ignorance is real.
- 18:18Foundation is just his own feelings and self perception.
- 18:21Completely. When Christian asks how he knows
- 18:23he has left all for God in heaven, ignorance flatly
- 18:26replies. My heart tells me so.
- 18:28My heart tells me so. He insists his heart is a good
- 18:31one because it comforts me. In hopes of heaven he sums it
- 18:35up. My heart and life greed
- 18:37together, and therefore my hope is well grounded.
- 18:40He explicitly trusts only his heart's testimony, brushing
- 18:44aside Christian's point that God's Word needs to confirm it.
- 18:46How reliable do you think your own feelings are as a sole guide
- 18:50to your standing with God? Ignorance places absolute trust
- 18:53there. Christian then brings in the
- 18:55necessary scriptural counterpoint to this self trust.
- 18:58He quotes that proverb. Proverbs 28.26 He that trusts
- 19:02his own heart is a fool. Christian explains that having a
- 19:05truly good heart or having good thoughts about ourselves means
- 19:08our thoughts aligned with what God's Word judges are natural
- 19:11condition to be. And what is that scriptural
- 19:13judgement Christian refers to? He points to Romans 3.
- 19:16There is none righteous, There is none that do with good.
- 19:19He mentions Genesis 6.5 the imagination of the heart is only
- 19:22evil and that continually, and that man's ways are naturally
- 19:26crooked and perverse. So good thoughts about ourselves
- 19:30are only good if they agree with God's diagnosis.
- 19:32Yes, when we have a genuine sense thereof, a real awareness
- 19:37of that truth about ourselves leading to heart humiliation
- 19:41before God. And ignorance is reaction to
- 19:43this biblical diagnosis of the human heart.
- 19:45Total rejection, he says bluntly.
- 19:48I will never believe that my heart is thus bad.
- 19:51Which leads Christian to conclude.
- 19:53That ignorance therefore, never has one good thought concerning
- 19:56thyself and thy life, because his self view is completely at
- 20:00odds with God's revealed truth about his need.
- 20:03His understanding of justification, of being made
- 20:05right with God, is equally flawed.
- 20:07It is, he says. I think I must believe in Christ
- 20:10for justification, but Christian observes he says it without any
- 20:13real sense of needing Christ's righteousness, because he thinks
- 20:16so well of himself and his own deeds already.
- 20:18How does ignorance actually describe how he thinks
- 20:20justification works? He puts it two ways. 1st I
- 20:24believe that Christ died for sinners, and that I shall be
- 20:27justified before God from the curse through his gracious
- 20:30acceptance of my obedience to His law.
- 20:32OK, acceptance of his obedience. Or alternatively, Christ makes
- 20:36my duties that are religious acceptable to his Father by
- 20:40virtue of his merits, and so shall I be justified.
- 20:43Christian's assessment of this belief is very direct.
- 20:46He calls it fantastical, false and deceitful.
- 20:50Why false? What's the error?
- 20:52Christian explains it takes justification away from Christ
- 20:54personal righteousness, what Christ himself did, and applies
- 20:57it instead to ignorance, His own actions.
- 21:00It makes Christ someone who justifies actions and the person
- 21:05because of their actions that Christian insists is false.
- 21:08So how does Christian define true justifying faith in
- 21:12contrast? True faith, he says, causes the
- 21:15soul, now sensible of its lost condition by the law, to fly for
- 21:19refuge under Christ's righteousness.
- 21:21This righteousness is specifically Christ's personal
- 21:23obedience and suffering. Accepting this means the person
- 21:26is covered, shrouded in it, and presented spotless before God
- 21:29fully accepted and acquitted. Ignorance also completely
- 21:33misunderstands the effects of this true faith, doesn't he?
- 21:35Yes. He objects that just trusting
- 21:37Christ's work done without us would lead people to live
- 21:40carelessly. It would loosen the reins of our
- 21:43lust, He says. What matter how we live, He
- 21:46asks, if Christ's righteousness covers everything?
- 21:48What's Christian's reply to that common objection?
- 21:52He says this shows ignorance is unaware of the true effects of
- 21:55saving faith. Real faith, he explains, doesn't
- 21:58lead to license and said it works to bow and win over the
- 22:02heart to God in Christ, to love His name, His word, ways and
- 22:05people. It changes the desires.
- 22:08There's one final point of contrast.
- 22:09Ignorance. His view on spiritual
- 22:11revelation, right? Hopeful asks him directly if he
- 22:14ever had Christ revealed to him from heaven.
- 22:17Ignorance just dismisses the idea entirely.
- 22:20Calls revelations the fruit of distracted brains, mere
- 22:22whimsies. He thinks his own belief is fine
- 22:25without any such thing. How do Christian and hopeful
- 22:27respond? They firmly.
- 22:29State that Christ is hidden from natural understanding.
- 22:31He can't be known savingly unless God the Father reveals
- 22:35him. And true faith, Christian adds,
- 22:37must be wrought by the exceeding greatness of His mighty power.
- 22:41They see ignorance is completely missing this divine element.
- 22:44And ignorance is reaction to being pressed on these deep
- 22:47spiritual truths. He basically shuts down the
- 22:49conversation. You go so fast, I cannot keep
- 22:52pace with you. Do you go on before?
- 22:54I must stay a while behind. He physically separates himself
- 22:58again mirroring his spiritual resistance.
- 23:00So to sum up ignorance, he refuses counsel because he
- 23:04trusts himself, rejects the Bible's view of his own
- 23:07sinfulness, has a false view of justification that mixes his
- 23:11works with Christ's, dismisses essential spiritual realities
- 23:14like revelation, and lacks a truly changed mind and will.
- 23:18The sources seem very clear. It will certainly go I'll with
- 23:21him at last. Moving on from ignorance is self
- 23:23deception. The sources give us another
- 23:25warning example. A man named Temporary.
- 23:28Who was he and what happened? Hopeful brings him up.
- 23:30He was from a town called Graceless Live next door to
- 23:33someone named Turnback, apparently about 10 years prior.
- 23:35Temporary. Seemed much awakened
- 23:37spiritually, even looked like a forward man in religion.
- 23:40So he had some awareness of sin and its consequences.
- 23:43Yes, the text says. He even showed it with tears
- 23:45sometimes. He seemed to have started the
- 23:47pilgrimage, but then Christian mentions temporary got involved
- 23:51with someone named Save Self. Save self.
- 23:53That name again points to the root problem, self-reliance.
- 23:56Right, and after associating with Save Self, Temporary became
- 24:00a stranger to Christian. So Christian and Hopeful discuss
- 24:03why people like Temporary suddenly turn back.
- 24:05What reasons do they identify? Hopeful lays out for reasons,
- 24:09and then Christian gives the fundamental issue underneath
- 24:11them all the first reason. Though their consciences get
- 24:15stirred up, their minds are not changed.
- 24:17Their basics, thinking and desires don't change.
- 24:20Exactly, so when the initial fear of guilt or punishment
- 24:23wears off, the motivation for their religious activity
- 24:25disappears and they just go back to their old ways.
- 24:29Hopeful uses that striking image from Second Peter 2.22, the dog
- 24:33returning to his vomit. Explain that.
- 24:36The dog vomits because it feels sick, uncomfortable, not because
- 24:39it suddenly hates vomit. Once the sickness passes, the
- 24:43desire isn't gone, so it goes back to it.
- 24:46Similarly, these people are driven by fear of Hell's
- 24:49torments. When that fear cools down, their
- 24:52desire for heaven cools down too, and they revert.
- 24:55So it's fear of consequences, not a genuine hatred of the sin
- 24:58itself. That seems to be the point.
- 25:00Like a criminal who fears the executioner but doesn't hate the
- 25:03crime. If set free, he'll likely steal
- 25:06again because his mindset hasn't changed.
- 25:09The second reason hopeful gives is slavish fear of men.
- 25:12He quotes Proverbs 29.25. The fear of man bringeth a
- 25:16snare. How does fear of what others
- 25:19think caused them to turn back? They might seem really zealous
- 25:22when they feel the heat of potential judgement, when
- 25:24Hellfire flames are about their ears, as the text puts it.
- 25:27But once that immediate terror fades, they start thinking about
- 25:30being wise in the world's eyes, avoiding unnecessary troubles,
- 25:33wanting to fit in. And so they fall back in line
- 25:35with the world. OK, fear of man.
- 25:37What's the third reason? The shame they feel associated
- 25:39with religion. These individuals are described
- 25:42as proud and in their eyes, true religion seems low and
- 25:47contemptible. Too humble for them.
- 25:49Apparently so. Once the fear of hell subsides,
- 25:52their pride and embarrassment about being linked to something
- 25:55they look down on contribute to them turning back to their old
- 25:58lives. And the fourth reason?
- 25:59That guilt and meditating on terror are just too grievous for
- 26:03them. They dislike facing their own
- 26:05misery before it actually hits because they actively shun the
- 26:09thoughts of guilt and terror. When they get a break from those
- 26:13feelings of conviction, they harden their hearts gladly and
- 26:16choose such ways as will harden them more and more.
- 26:19They don't want to let go of their pitiful old self Holiness,
- 26:23as the text calls it. So avoiding the unpleasantness
- 26:25of conviction actually leads them further away.
- 26:27That's the idea, and Christian then summarizes it all.
- 26:31He says the bottom of all is for want of a change in their mind
- 26:34and will that lack of fundamental interchange is the
- 26:37root cause behind all these symptoms.
- 26:39Do you recognize any of these warning signs?
- 26:42Maybe in yourself at times or in others?
- 26:44That temporary faith-based on fear, being swayed by what
- 26:47others think, pride keeping you from humility, or just wanting
- 26:51to avoid facing difficult truths about yourself.
- 26:54Hopeful one asks about the manner of backsliding.
- 26:57How does it typically happen step by step?
- 26:58And Christian outlines a kind of downward progression.
- 27:02Yes, a nine step process is described. 1 They start by
- 27:05drawing their thoughts away from God, death, and judgement.
- 27:08Let's focus on eternal things. 2 They begin to neglect private
- 27:12duties, closet prayer, self-discipline, things done
- 27:14unseen. 3 They start avoiding the company of fervent
- 27:17Christians, those who are serious about their faith.
- 27:21Four, they grow slack in public duties like attending worship or
- 27:24church fellowship. 5 They start criticizing sincere believers,
- 27:28often as a way to justify their own cooling off.
- 27:30Six They begin spending time with carnal, loose, and wanton
- 27:34men, worldly, undisciplined people. 7 They start indulging
- 27:38in worldly or slightly sinful talk in secret, and they're
- 27:41pleased if they see professing Christians doing similar things,
- 27:44using it as an excuse. 8 They then begin to play with little
- 27:47sins openly, becoming less concerned about outward
- 27:50appearances. 9 Finally, having become hardened through this
- 27:53process, they show their true colors, their unchanged nature
- 27:56becomes apparent. And the end result of this
- 27:58downward slide? The sources state they're
- 28:00launched back into the gulf of misery, and unless a miracle of
- 28:04grace prevented, they everlastingly perish in their
- 28:07own deceivings. It's a stark warning about
- 28:10gradual drifting and the danger of superficial beginnings.
- 28:14OK, so after navigating the Enchanted Ground and reflecting
- 28:17on these serious warnings, the pilgrims enter a new country all
- 28:20together. This is the country of Beulah.
- 28:22Yes, and the description shifts dramatically.
- 28:25The air here is very sweet and pleasant.
- 28:28The path to the city goes right through it, so they get to
- 28:31solace themselves there for a season.
- 28:33What's? The atmosphere like in Beulah.
- 28:35It's portrayed as a place of pure delight.
- 28:37They constantly hear birds singing, see flowers blooming
- 28:41daily, hear the voice of the turtle dove drawing from the
- 28:43Song of Solomon, and significantly, the sun shines
- 28:46there both night and day. Where is Beulah located in the
- 28:49overall scheme? It's right on the borders of
- 28:52Heaven. They're within sight of the
- 28:54Celestial City they're journeying towards.
- 28:55It's explicitly beyond the Valley of the Shadow of Death
- 28:59and out of reach of Giant Despair.
- 29:01They can't even see Doubting Castle anymore.
- 29:03So a place of safety and nearness to the goal, What
- 29:06happens there? The Shining Ones, inhabitants of
- 29:08the city, are often seen walking there, the text says.
- 29:11It's where the contract between the Bride, the Pilgrim Church,
- 29:14and the Bridegroom, Christ is renewed.
- 29:17It quotes Isaiah 62.5. As the Bridegroom rejoices over
- 29:21the Bride, so did their God rejoice over them.
- 29:24It sounds like a place of deep peace and assurance.
- 29:27It is they lack nothing. They find abundance of what they
- 29:31had sought for in all their pilgrimage.
- 29:33They also hear voices from the city itself, loud voices saying,
- 29:36Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy salvation cometh.
- 29:40Behold his reward is with him. That's Isaiah 62.11.
- 29:44And they're called by special names there.
- 29:46Yes, the people of that country, call them the holy people, the
- 29:49redeemed of the Lord sought out, referencing Isaiah 62 point.
- 29:52Well, the pilgrims felt more joy here, the text says, than
- 29:56anywhere else further from the Kingdom.
- 29:58Does this picture of Beulah resonate with you?
- 30:00That experience of peace, assurance and closeness to God
- 30:03that might come nearer the end of 1's earthly life.
- 30:06As they draw even nearer the city from Beulah, their view
- 30:10gets clearer. And the description of the city
- 30:12itself is breathtaking. It is build a pearls and
- 30:15precious stones, the street paved with gold, echoes of
- 30:19Revelation 21. The glory of it has a powerful
- 30:22effect on them. Yes, the sight is so stunning,
- 30:25the reflection of the sun upon it so bright, that it makes
- 30:28Christian and hopeful sick of love.
- 30:31Quoting the Song of Solomon again overwhelmed by its beauty.
- 30:35They also find refreshments nearby.
- 30:37Yes, close to the city are the King's orchards, vineyards and
- 30:40gardens, planted for his delight and the solace of pilgrims.
- 30:44The gardener invites them in to enjoy the dainties and chosen
- 30:47the King's own walks and resting places.
- 30:49And the fruit there has a curious effect.
- 30:51It does. The grapes are so delightful
- 30:54they cause the pilgrims to talk more in their sleep than ever
- 30:56before, suggesting a deep, almost subconscious absorption
- 31:00of the sweetness and joy of being near the king.
- 31:02But before they can enter the gate, there's one final major
- 31:06hurdle. The river.
- 31:09Yes, the river of death. It's described as very deep and
- 31:12critically, there's no bridge to go over.
- 31:15They must pass through it. No way around.
- 31:17What's their first reaction when they see it?
- 31:19The text says the pilgrims, especially Christian, began to
- 31:22despond in their minds. They immediately start looking
- 31:25around, hoping for some other way across.
- 31:28They ask the Shining Ones about its depth, don't they?
- 31:30They do, and the answer they get is crucial.
- 31:33The shining ones say they can't alter the depth.
- 31:36It will be deeper or shallower as you believe in the king of a
- 31:39place. Wow, so the experience of death
- 31:42is directly tied to the strength and focus of their faith in
- 31:45Christ? That's exactly how it's
- 31:46presented. What happens when they actually
- 31:48step into the water? This is where Christian
- 31:50struggles intensely. He began to sink.
- 31:54A great darkness and horror fell upon Christian.
- 31:58He largely lost his senses, couldn't recall past comforts.
- 32:01His words show sheer horror of mine and heart fears that he
- 32:05should die in that river and never obtain entrance in at the
- 32:08gate. And his past sins trouble him
- 32:10again. Yes, troublesome thoughts of the
- 32:12sins that he had committed flood his mind.
- 32:15He's also tormented by apparitions of hobgoblins and
- 32:18evil spirits, suggesting A fierce spiritual attack at this
- 32:21point of vulnerability. What does hopeful do while
- 32:24Christian is going through this? Hopeful has a hard time just
- 32:27keeping Christian's head above water.
- 32:29Christian apparently sinks completely at times.
- 32:32Hopeful does his best to encourage him, pointing towards
- 32:35the visible gate and the figures waiting there to receive.
- 32:38Them. But Christian is deep in
- 32:39despair, even questioning if he's truly saved.
- 32:42He is, he thinks the welcoming party is only for hopeful, not
- 32:45him. He doubts if he were really
- 32:48right, God would surely be helping him now.
- 32:51He feels God has led him into this trap and abandoned him
- 32:54because of his sins. Hopeful uses Scripture to
- 32:57encourage him. Yes, he brings up Psalm 73,
- 33:00reminding Christian that wicked people often have easy deaths.
- 33:04He tells Christian these troubles aren't abandonment, but
- 33:07a trial to see if he'll remember God's past goodness and rely on
- 33:11him now in this distress. Does Christian respond
- 33:13immediately? He pauses the text says he was
- 33:16in a muse for a while, thinking it over.
- 33:18Then hopeful speaks a vital word directly.
- 33:20To him, what does he? Say, be as good cheer, Jesus
- 33:22Christ maketh the whole. And that's the turning point.
- 33:25It is hearing that Christian cries out, Oh, I see him again,
- 33:29and quotes Isaiah 43.2 When now passes through the waters, I
- 33:33will be with thee, and through the rivers they shall not
- 33:36overflow. Thee what happens immediately
- 33:38after that? Instantly both gain courage.
- 33:40The enemy, the source of the fear and apparitions, become
- 33:43still. Christian immediately found
- 33:46ground to stand upon, and the rest of the river crossing was
- 33:49shallow for both of them. How might focusing your own
- 33:52belief on Christ and God's specific promises help you face
- 33:56your deepest fears, maybe even death itself?
- 33:59Christian's experience shows the power of remembering Christ and
- 34:02His Word right in the midst of the trial.
- 34:05Absolutely so. Having crossed the river, they
- 34:07finally reached the other side and are met again by the Shining
- 34:10Ones. Who are identified specifically?
- 34:11Yes, as ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those that
- 34:15shall be heirs of salvation from Hebrews 1.14, they're there to
- 34:19escort them. The city is on a high hill, but
- 34:22the climb is made easy for them. It is.
- 34:25They ascend with ease, led by the Shining Ones, and
- 34:27importantly, they leave their mortal garments behind in the
- 34:31river. They go up with much agility and
- 34:34speed higher than the clouds. And they talk along the way.
- 34:37Yes, sweetly talking together, discussing the inexpressible
- 34:41glory of the place they're about to enter.
- 34:44The Shining Ones then describe this destination in vivid
- 34:46detail. What is this city?
- 34:48They call it the Paradise of God, Mount Zion, the heavenly
- 34:51Jerusalem, citing Hebrews 12A place with countless as angels
- 34:55and the spirits of just men made perfect.
- 34:57And they list the blessings and rewards waiting there.
- 35:00Oh yes, an extensive and glorious list.
- 35:02They're told they will see the tree of life, eat its fruit,
- 35:05receive white robes, walk and talk every day with the king.
- 35:08Eternally experience no more sorrow, sickness, affliction or
- 35:12death. Former things are passed away.
- 35:14Join Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the prophets.
- 35:17Receive comfort for all their toil, joy for all sorrow.
- 35:20Reap what they've sown, the fruit of prayers, tears,
- 35:22suffering for the King. Wear crowns of gold.
- 35:25Enjoy the perpetual sight of the Holy One, seeing him as he is.
- 35:28Serve him continually with praise, shouting, Thanksgiving.
- 35:31Have eyes and ears delighted by the mighty One.
- 35:34Enjoy friends gone before. Joyfully welcome those who
- 35:37follow. Be clothed with glory and
- 35:38majesty, ready to ride out with the King.
- 35:40Come with the King when he returns.
- 35:42Sit with him on the throne of judgement.
- 35:44Have a voice in judging enemies. Return to the city with the King
- 35:47and ultimately be ever with him. What does that incredibly
- 35:50detailed description of the final destination inspire in
- 35:53you? It paints such a vivid picture
- 35:55of glory, a stark contrast to the struggles of the path.
- 35:58It really does. So we've covered a lot in this
- 36:00deep dive. Drawing from these sources, we
- 36:04looked at that subtle danger of apathy on the enchanted ground,
- 36:07and the vital difference between just trying hard religiously,
- 36:10like ignorance, and true saving faith grounded only in Christ's
- 36:15work, like hopeful eventually found.
- 36:17We saw the sobering reality of backsliding with temporary its
- 36:20causes, mainly that lack of interchange and the step by step
- 36:23decline. Then the piece of Beulah, that
- 36:26place of nearness and assurance, And finally, that last Test at
- 36:30the river, overcome by faith and fellowship, leading into the
- 36:33incredible detailed rewards of the Celestial City.
- 36:37It's a rich picture of the spiritual walk presented here,
- 36:40full of clear warnings but also immense encouragement based on
- 36:43Christ's sufficiency and the hope set before us.
- 36:45Definitely the accounts of hopeful and Christian contrasted
- 36:48with ignorance and temporary offer really valuable insights
- 36:51for anyone thinking about their own path and reliance on Christ.
- 36:55So consider this as you reflect on these sources.
- 36:58If the depth of that final river is connected to belief in the
- 37:02King of the place, how does focusing your belief right now
- 37:06on the character and promises of Christ as he's revealed himself
- 37:09prepare you for whatever challenges, whatever rivers
- 37:12might lie ahead? Thanks for joining us for this
- 37:14deep dive. Until next time, podcast Outro
- 37:16Music.