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Katie Woolf spoke with Opposition Leader Lia Finocchiaro · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now is the
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  Speaker 1: opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro. Good morning to.
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  Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, to your listeners. I'm actually calling
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  Speaker 2: in live from the Dundee voting center. We are here
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  Speaker 2: into ten forty five and so if you're in Dundee
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  Speaker 2: and you're listening, come out. We're all here and back
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  Speaker 2: for sivituries, for a strong opposition and a strong boy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I know I'll always always happy to
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  Speaker 1: hear where you are, Leah, but let's hold off on
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  Speaker 1: the on the election slogans.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Firstly, I do want to actually ask you about a
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  Speaker 1: situation that I've been made aware of this morning, which
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  Speaker 1: saw a young boy and his little sister mugged at
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  Speaker 1: a park in Palmerston earlier in the week. Now on Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: a parent shared a post which read my son turned
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  Speaker 1: fourteen today and decided to go to the park behind
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  Speaker 1: us with his little sister and a school friend to
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  Speaker 1: hang out. The post says a little scumbag decided he'd
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  Speaker 1: hold a knife to this lady's son and his friend,
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  Speaker 1: demanding their possessions. Now, according to the mum, her son
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  Speaker 1: urged his sister to run home. The other kid then
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  Speaker 1: stole the teen's necklace and hat. They got home and
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  Speaker 1: as you'd imagine, they were pretty shaken and in tears. Leah,
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  Speaker 1: has this been raised with you or your office at
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  Speaker 1: this stage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've certainly been made aware of it, Katie. And
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  Speaker 2: isn't it just horrific? I mean, what kind of place
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  Speaker 2: have we come to live in where our children can't
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  Speaker 2: even go to the park? You know, it's just disgusting
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  Speaker 2: and holds back to this government being stopped on crime,
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  Speaker 2: not dealing with the issues we've got in the community,
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  Speaker 2: not listening to the voice of victims and territory and
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  Speaker 2: through number one concern is community safety. And in the meantime,
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  Speaker 2: the government are just bearing its head on the zand
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  Speaker 2: on this issue and pretending like they're making laws that
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  Speaker 2: are dealing with it when they're absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: Leah, is there a problem, Well, let's just talk about
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  Speaker 1: Palmerston to begin with. Is there a problem in Palmerston
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  Speaker 1: at the moment? Is this a one off or is
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  Speaker 1: this something that you've heard, you know, a situation similar before.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean we're hearing more and more about it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, there's been a state of these type of
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  Speaker 2: violent attacks in Agarina, we hear about them in Palmerstan.
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  Speaker 2: People are being broken into every single day of court.
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  Speaker 2: Businesses are being repeatedly attacked. It's just not okay. You know,
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  Speaker 2: people need to be able to live their life freely
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  Speaker 2: and in safety. And that's what the government's job is.
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  Speaker 2: It's to support our police, resource them as they're needed,
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  Speaker 2: have strong enough laws to ensure that people who do
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  Speaker 2: crime do face those consequences. You know, this is not okay,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd love to know what happens to these perpetrators
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  Speaker 2: when they're caught and put through the gunner government's weak system.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to know what the end result is for
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  Speaker 2: these people who've done this horrendous crime on these young kids.
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  Speaker 1: Leah, I'm being told by some parents of teenagers that
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  Speaker 1: it's become fairly common knowledge that there is a small
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  Speaker 1: group of young people out there getting around with knives.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially, you know the other kids well as if
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  Speaker 1: you know, you wouldn't want to stand up to the
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  Speaker 1: to the to the ones with knives because you'd be
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  Speaker 1: worried about what the outcome could Again, I'll ask, is
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  Speaker 1: this something that's been raised with you in your office?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, and you know what's been happening, Katie. This
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  Speaker 2: has actually been happening for a long time. We will
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  Speaker 2: remember a couple of years ago when complete angler got
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  Speaker 2: broken into and about fifty knives of various sizes were stolen,
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  Speaker 2: and of course we heard back then that those knives
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  Speaker 2: obviously all went out into the community. So we've got
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  Speaker 2: young people running sophisticated criminal operations here. You just look
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  Speaker 2: at the CCTV, I mean recently, celebrations and Zacoli was
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  Speaker 2: done for a second time. They basically only just replaced
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  Speaker 2: their glass from the first time. And you can see
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  Speaker 2: that these offenders, they've got gloves on, they've got masks on,
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  Speaker 2: They're organized. Is premeditated, pre planned. And the fact that
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  Speaker 2: we've got this situation now we're in our community, there
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  Speaker 2: are people walking around with knives and weapons and ready
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  Speaker 2: to use them on children as young as this fourteen
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  Speaker 2: year old in the park the other day. I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's terrifying as a parent myself. I mean, my kids
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  Speaker 2: aren't old enough to go to the post on their
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  Speaker 2: own yet, Katie. But I think parents and peace people
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  Speaker 2: out there are just thinking, what are we supposed to do?
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  Speaker 2: Do we have to lock ourselves in our home, barricade
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  Speaker 2: ourselves in our businesses. Like when is the government going
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  Speaker 2: to crack down on this and crack down on at
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  Speaker 2: heard Leah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean some people out there listening will be thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's just that we can see everything on social media now.
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  Speaker 1: The opposition is beating this up to try and make
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  Speaker 1: it a political issue. Is that what you're doing?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely not. You know, I can't go a day
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  Speaker 2: without hearing some issue about crime in our community. Of
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  Speaker 2: course we're seeing over and over again. Just yesterday there
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  Speaker 2: was police were even reporting more arrests of people preaching
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  Speaker 2: their bail. You know, this issue of repeat offending and
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  Speaker 2: breach of bail is a big one. The government came
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  Speaker 2: into parliament past laws that barely make any difference, and
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  Speaker 2: they just don't crack down on that repeat offending enough.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're out on bail and continuing to offend
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  Speaker 2: while you're on bail, you should not be allowed back
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  Speaker 2: out into the community. And that should be the position.
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  Speaker 2: You know, bail is a privilege and if you're going
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  Speaker 2: to continue to repeat offend whilst I'm bail, then the
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  Speaker 2: community expectation is that that person is not allowed out
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  Speaker 2: in the community. But labor don't see it this way.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to talk about it because they're failing
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  Speaker 2: in this regard and they're not prepared to do anything differently.
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  Speaker 2: We've tried to bring our own laws, Katie into the parliament.
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  Speaker 2: Government voted those down. We're doing everything we can to
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  Speaker 2: be the voice of victim and the voice of people
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  Speaker 2: concerned about crime. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: this government needs to wake up and smell the roses
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  Speaker 2: because people are suffering out there and they will continue
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  Speaker 2: to suffer while this government of offenders right above the
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  Speaker 2: right to victim Lea.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to ask about these bus assaults or
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  Speaker 1: the situation on our buses at the moment. I know
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  Speaker 1: that the Opposition has obviously written a number of questions
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  Speaker 1: to the government. Those written questions and they've come back
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  Speaker 1: with a response seven six hundred and fifty anti social
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  Speaker 1: incidents on the public transport network. I believe that that's
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  Speaker 1: over a bit over well from the first of July
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty until the thirty first of May twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: What other information did you obtain for these questions that
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  Speaker 1: you'd put to government.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've put We obviously asked thousands of questions during
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  Speaker 2: estimates and then subsequent to that, and to get the
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  Speaker 2: result that over seven thousand assaults on buses had taken
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  Speaker 2: place just shows how little action this government's having. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: we've got our really hard working bus staff, we've got
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  Speaker 2: the Public Transport Safety offices, but their hands are tired
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  Speaker 2: as well. You know, if we don't have a strong
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  Speaker 2: legislative framework that means if you are committing offenses whilst
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  Speaker 2: on public transport, you're being dealt with in the harshest
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  Speaker 2: possible term. Then this will keep happening and it's just
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  Speaker 2: going to drive people away from using the service. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to drive people to not want to engage anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not okay like we're having to change our
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  Speaker 2: entire way of life to avoid becoming victims of crime.
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  Speaker 2: And we've certainly asked a number more questions, Katie, going
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  Speaker 2: to your point around how the governments about our laws
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  Speaker 2: are working. We got told a few months ago by
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  Speaker 2: the Territory Families Minister that we'd have to wait eighteen
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  Speaker 2: months to see they're working. Well, I suggest you just
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  Speaker 2: look at what the police are putting out and every
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  Speaker 2: time someone's been arrested whilst on bail equal the failure
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  Speaker 2: of those laws. So we're waiting for those answers to
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  Speaker 2: come back, and we'll keep asking the questions that are
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  Speaker 2: important to people and holding this government to account because
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  Speaker 2: it's shocking. I mean, seven and a half of one
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  Speaker 2: thousand assaults in that length of period is just I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's mind boggling.
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  Speaker 1: Leah, I have just received a message from one of
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  Speaker 1: our listeners that says, good morning Katie. I think Lea
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  Speaker 1: is making this a political issue. What's the opposition going
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  Speaker 1: to do instead of just blaming the Gunner Party.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the gun and Government are the government, so when
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  Speaker 2: we go into Parliament, they have the numbers. They're the
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  Speaker 2: ones who vote things in or vote things down. We've
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  Speaker 2: actually put up our own legislation that says we should
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  Speaker 2: bring back breach of bail condition as an offense. We
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  Speaker 2: think that if you're out on bound and you breach
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  Speaker 2: that bail, then the conditions around that that you should
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  Speaker 2: be able to be charged. The government voted that down.
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  Speaker 2: We said that if you're a repeat offender, you should
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  Speaker 2: no longer be bailed. That you know, you might get
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  Speaker 2: one chance, but anything after that you should be reminded
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  Speaker 2: in custodies so that the community is safe. These are
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  Speaker 2: all the types of things we've been proactive about. But
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you've got a
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  Speaker 2: government who wants to shut down democracy by canceling parliament
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  Speaker 2: and shut down legislation, then all we can do is
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  Speaker 2: continue to lead lob pressure on government to be better.
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  Speaker 2: But an area is a completely switched off on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Their heads in the ground. But nothing is going to
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  Speaker 2: stop us from putting the rights of victim above the
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  Speaker 2: right to offenders.
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  Speaker 1: Look, we'll talk about Parliament in just a moment. Before
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  Speaker 1: we get there, though we know the federal government has
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  Speaker 1: released that vaccine data for the first time. It broke
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  Speaker 1: down the rates of vaccination in various suburbs and regions
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  Speaker 1: around the Northern Territory. It showed more than eighty one
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  Speaker 1: percent of people living in Darwin's inner suburbs have had
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  Speaker 1: their first vaccine dose, but less than thirty percent of
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  Speaker 1: those living in remote areas across the well the likes
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  Speaker 1: of the Barkley Daily, Tiwi and West Arnham regions have
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  Speaker 1: had a single single dose of the vaccines and less
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  Speaker 1: than thirty Now we spoke to the Health Minister about
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  Speaker 1: this yesterday, she gave us quite different figures. The Chief Minister,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Gunner, has reportedly gone a step further, and, according
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  Speaker 1: to the NT News, Well launched into a war of
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  Speaker 1: words against the federal government over what he sees is
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  Speaker 1: flat out wrong vaccine rollout data. Do you think that
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  Speaker 1: we should have a situation here with this data where
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  Speaker 1: we're not actually relying on that medicare those Medicare addresses
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  Speaker 1: and we're actually talking about those who step in and
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  Speaker 1: we're counting it through the COVID clinics.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think what we need is consistency, and I
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  Speaker 2: would not put it past the Gunner government to be
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  Speaker 2: budging the numbers on this one. Katie, I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: raises a question for me about government wanting to count
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  Speaker 2: locations of where the vaccine is given. But let's not
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  Speaker 2: forget we've had a lot of tourists coming through and
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  Speaker 2: accessing vaccines for territory, and so the Gunner government probably
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  Speaker 2: aren't really keen to count the location. For example, in Catherine,
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people who receive the jabbing
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  Speaker 2: Catherine are not te Ritorium, and that's a pretty big
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  Speaker 2: callot in that number.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty big call to say that they're fudging
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  Speaker 1: the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what I'm saying is, and by their own admission,
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  Speaker 2: they're saying that they want the numbers counted in locations.
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  Speaker 2: For example, if ten thousand jobs have been given encounterance,
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  Speaker 2: they want that to be the figure. But if two
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  Speaker 2: thousand of those people are tourists, should that number be counted?
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's where greater transparency around this issue
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  Speaker 2: needs to be. People are being told one thing by
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  Speaker 2: the federal government, one thing by the government, and they
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  Speaker 2: don't match up. So somewhere in between their lives the truth.
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  Speaker 1: How I mean, how important do you think it is
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  Speaker 1: that we get this vaccination rate up. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 1: spoken to the Chief Minister on Monday. He said that
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  Speaker 1: we're still going to be going through lockdown, so we're
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  Speaker 1: still going to obviously be in the situation that we're
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  Speaker 1: in until those vaccination rates right across the board are
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  Speaker 1: up to eighty percent. But then we've learned over the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days that you know, we're not even
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  Speaker 1: close in some of our remote communities. I know it's
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  Speaker 1: a tough one and there's still vaccine hesitancy out there.
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  Speaker 1: But the reality of it is, if we're going to
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  Speaker 1: open up, we've got to make sure that this vaccine
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  Speaker 1: is rolling out to every remote and regional area around
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  Speaker 1: the territory. How concerned are you that at the moment
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  Speaker 1: those rates are fairly low in some locations.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are, Katie, We're really concerned. Of course. We're
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  Speaker 2: doing everything we can to encourage people and spread the
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  Speaker 2: word about the vaccine. We've pushed government to enhance its
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  Speaker 2: COVID vaccine portal so that it's much easier for people
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  Speaker 2: to get the vaccine. We think you should just go
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  Speaker 2: to one spot, be able to make a booking and
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  Speaker 2: off you go. You know that access to a vaccine
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  Speaker 2: is really important. The education in the community right across
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  Speaker 2: the territory is critical, particularly for those who might still
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  Speaker 2: be a little bit concerned. But you know, our numbers
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  Speaker 2: are still really low. We really need people to get
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  Speaker 2: on board and that means there needs to be a
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  Speaker 2: lot of community confidence and certainly as an opposition, we're
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  Speaker 2: doing everything we can to reinforce and spread the word
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  Speaker 2: that the best vaccine is the best way to protect yourself,
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  Speaker 2: your family and your community.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier in the week the Chief Minister was on the show,
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  Speaker 1: we asked him about whether those parliamentary sitting dates are
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  Speaker 1: going to be rescheduled. Take a listen to what he
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  Speaker 1: had to say.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've got sittings at September, October, November and December.
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  Speaker 3: We can get done in the days we've got left.
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  Speaker 1: So is that because you didn't have, from the government's
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  Speaker 1: perspective much to actually present in parliament last time you're sat.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think we just manage our workload. So it
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  Speaker 3: might mean working a couple of late nights, but we
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  Speaker 3: can do it.
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  Speaker 1: So you'd prefer to do those longer nights rather than
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  Speaker 1: actually reschedule those days.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if it is longer nights, I'm just saying we
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  Speaker 3: can do longer nights, but we can get the work done.
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  Speaker 1: Can you understand, though, how some people might think that's
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  Speaker 1: a bit rich, given the fact that then you shut
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  Speaker 1: down that discussion obviously when the center motion was put
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  Speaker 1: forward on the grandstand, for example, I know there's still
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  Speaker 1: lots of people in the community who feel that these
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  Speaker 1: questions that need to be answered in that space.
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  Speaker 3: I have answered a lot of questions on the Grandstand
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  Speaker 3: and we don't have to agree with the oppition on
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  Speaker 3: center motions. They're saying we're bad, we say we're good,
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  Speaker 3: we will move on.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty extraordinary, though, to shut down a center motion,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's pretty regular really, yeah, under the lass I've
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  Speaker 3: been in Parliament for what fourteen to fifteen years? Center
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  Speaker 3: e motions get shut down?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but not very often.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn'tcessarily agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I would say not very often. I know when
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  Speaker 1: the COLP was in power, it didn't happen very often.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I know I disagree. We don't fail complete accepts
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  Speaker 3: into emotions.
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  Speaker 1: A bit of awkward radio. I think you'd have to say, there,
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  Speaker 1: Leah with those questions. But it doesn't look as though
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  Speaker 1: those days are going to be made up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how arrogant is this chief minis at number one?
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  Speaker 2: It is extraordinary to shut down bench emotions And the
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  Speaker 2: reason he shut it down is because he didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to face the music. We are solidly questioned. We put
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  Speaker 2: up debates. People want to know why he took a
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  Speaker 2: twelve million dollar deal under his arm into cabinet without
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  Speaker 2: following proper process. People want to know why crime is
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  Speaker 2: out of control and what it is they're doing about it.
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  Speaker 2: And these guys just duck and hide for cover at
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  Speaker 2: every chance they can get. You know, it's not about
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  Speaker 2: working extra night on extra nights. The opposition of independent
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  Speaker 2: members only have so many opportunities to scrutinize government in Parliament.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason Government I will not put these three
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  Speaker 2: days back into the schedule is because I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to face three days of question time and a barrage
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  Speaker 2: from us about all of their failure.
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  Speaker 1: So, Lenda, what was from your perspective, From your perspective,
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  Speaker 1: what was going to be on the agenda for those
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  Speaker 1: three days? And if these three days were to be
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  Speaker 1: made up, what was the opposition planning on focusing on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just us, can I really stress,
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  Speaker 2: it's Yina Gayola, it's Kesier Purity, it's Robin Lanley. These
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  Speaker 2: are their opportunities to represent their community as well. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not about sitting late. It's about having the extra
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  Speaker 2: question time and the opportunities for debate. So for us
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  Speaker 2: on the agenda, we had emergency shelters, a debate around
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  Speaker 2: emergency shelters, which is very topical and critical at this
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  Speaker 2: time of year. Of course they're going into cyclone season
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  Speaker 2: and particularly people you know, I'm out here at Dundee.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter where you are, if you're in the bush,
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  Speaker 2: this is a front of mind issue. Of course. Crime,
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  Speaker 2: we've got heaps of questions around police resourcing, around the
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  Speaker 2: numbers of people breaching their bail, around people committing crimes,
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  Speaker 2: about youth crime, all of those types of figures. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: we've got questions around road spending, about health spending. Of
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  Speaker 2: course we've had a Code yellow and a COVID lockdown,
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  Speaker 2: so there's a lot of concern in the community about
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  Speaker 2: ROLDO and hospital and how it's tracking. I mean, these
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  Speaker 2: are just some of the issues we were going to raise,
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  Speaker 2: let alone the issues that the independence were raised. And
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: we only sit in Parliament about thirty days a year, Katie,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: So for the governments just get rid of ten percent
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: of our total sitting date just shows how much they
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: are willing to destroy our democracy to save their own skin.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: And they've gotten just because they've got no business. Fine,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean we don't have business. We're ready to rock
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: and roll, we're ready to go, we're ready to fight,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: and they need to stump up and start defending their failures.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Well Leaf Andochiro, the opposition leader. Always good to catch
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: up with you. Thank you so much for your time
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: this morning.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, take care everyone.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you,