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VANESSA BELL CALLOWAY - Apricot Jalapeno Garlic Chicken and Hollywood Insights · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have a
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  Speaker 1: very special guest, actress, producer, director Vanessa Bell Calloways in
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  Speaker 1: the building.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I am how are you good?
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not broke no more.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we have you here. This is uh. This
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  Speaker 1: show is for the self made only club. You have
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  Speaker 1: to be self made. Started from the bottom and now
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  Speaker 1: we're here.
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  Speaker 2: Started from the bottom, now we're here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, it's an honor to have you. I was
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  Speaker 1: really excited. I think I waited a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: before we got the official yes, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like yes.
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  Speaker 1: So I try not to get too excited because you
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  Speaker 1: never know about last minute cancelations. But thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for taking time.
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  Speaker 2: When I get my word, I keep my word.
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  Speaker 3: So I try not to cancel on people once I've
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  Speaker 3: said yes. But you're right, that is a possibility. It's
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  Speaker 3: always a possibility. Now today, well what is a dish
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  Speaker 3: you ate while you were broke? Because I know today
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  Speaker 3: you're going to do something very special. I'm gonna do
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  Speaker 3: something very quick that you that's inexpensive.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, do today, So today I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: To show you how to do this apricot, jalipino mint,
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  Speaker 3: garlic chicken and you have karaoke in it, right, you're
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  Speaker 3: just that's bearing part of the marinate. But the cool
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  Speaker 3: thing about this is once you do get everything and
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  Speaker 3: you get it all chopped up, and you would normally
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  Speaker 3: put it in like a zip like bag overnight and
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  Speaker 3: then I either grill it or roast it in the
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  Speaker 3: oven or bake it. You don't really fry it. But
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  Speaker 3: then you take all the leftover marinate and you put
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  Speaker 3: it in a small pot and you cook it until
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  Speaker 3: it bubbles up and get all the bacteria out, and
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  Speaker 3: then you take the marinate and you pour it over
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  Speaker 3: the chicken.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know you could do that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you could definitely do that when you have a
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  Speaker 3: great marinad. Really you don't have to dump it. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: people add like a little like you could add a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more tiocic too, So people just add water,
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  Speaker 3: some people anything. But what you want to do is
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  Speaker 3: you want to get on a pot. You want to
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  Speaker 3: get a hot and you want to boil. When it
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  Speaker 3: starts to boil, you're getting all that bacteria out.
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  Speaker 2: You know. That's how you make grapy.
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  Speaker 3: You take all the bottoms of a you know, the
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  Speaker 3: stuff in the pan, and you have to flour to
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  Speaker 3: it and you add a little bit more garlic and
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  Speaker 3: water and stuff and.
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  Speaker 2: You cook it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how you make grapely from the scrapemings at
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  Speaker 3: the bottom of the pan. So you're just taking the marinate,
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  Speaker 3: want you because you're gonna take the marinaate because it's sweet.
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  Speaker 2: The marionnae would burn on the.
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  Speaker 3: Grill because of the Africa jelly. Okay, so you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: kind of shake it off, grill the chicken. But then
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  Speaker 3: you really get you shake it off. You gonna shake
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  Speaker 3: it off, but it's marinated in that overnight. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: we don't have time to do that right now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but we're just gonna pretend and that's what happens. Right
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna get started if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this looks In the five minutes we've been together,
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  Speaker 1: I've learned that when it comes to anything let or leafy,
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  Speaker 1: like your mint leaves, to make sure that they're dry.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, last for me.
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  Speaker 3: Then she just I said, no, you've got to pat
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  Speaker 3: those dry because in order for to chop up good.
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  Speaker 3: It's got to be dry, but you want to wash
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  Speaker 3: it first, like you want to wash your fruits, your vegetables,
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  Speaker 3: you know, your your herbs. I mean, it's just like
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  Speaker 3: a lettuce, like a salad. You don't wash lettuce and
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  Speaker 3: then make the salad. You got droopy lettuce, that's why.
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  Speaker 3: Or just pat I've a spend thing, but I never
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  Speaker 3: use it.
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  Speaker 2: It just takes too much time.
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  Speaker 3: I just take paper towel and I laid my lettuce
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  Speaker 3: leaves and I just pat them dry, and then I
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  Speaker 3: let them sit for a minute, finish dry, and then
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  Speaker 3: I chop them up and getting ready for my salad.
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  Speaker 3: So any herbs anything like that that's leafy, you want
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  Speaker 3: to dry at first, empty washing. But the real good
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  Speaker 3: way to do is after I buy it, I wash
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  Speaker 3: everything and sit it in my bin on top of
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  Speaker 3: my counter, and I just let it drip dry by itself.
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  Speaker 3: Let it air dry, okay, you know. Then I padded
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  Speaker 3: dry a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Then I put in my refrigerator, so when I go
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  Speaker 2: to use it, it's already clean.
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  Speaker 1: You do that for everything, like even your meat, my fruits.
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  Speaker 3: You know, not my meat, I do some like my fruits,
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  Speaker 3: my herbs, anything, any veggies, any veggies I buy in
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  Speaker 3: the store, and any fruits. When I get home, I
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  Speaker 3: wash them really good and I set them in a
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  Speaker 3: bind and I just let them sit there and kind
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  Speaker 3: of drip dry.
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  Speaker 2: And then and then I'll just take a paper towel.
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  Speaker 2: I love paper towels. I got you a whole roll.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go through that roll. Now I'm gonna paper. I
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  Speaker 3: have a thing for paper towels, really do.
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  Speaker 2: It's strange, costo. But then I'll go and I'll.
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  Speaker 3: Pat dry everything and then I put in my refrigerator
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  Speaker 3: to when I need it.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice and Crispin Glean that's brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm thankful to you today because now that I
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  Speaker 1: know you're not going to be making this dish, but
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  Speaker 1: showing us how to make it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, wear because we don't have a grill and we
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  Speaker 3: don't have oven. But what you will see is you'll
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  Speaker 3: see the marinade. And I think we had another. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I'll take this plate or something and i'll take the
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  Speaker 3: chicken off, and then you can see how much marinad
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  Speaker 3: you have and how easy it is to cook it.
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  Speaker 3: But to ask your question, I'm gonna talk and cook. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So I'm a season my chicken first, uh, And I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna just take.
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  Speaker 2: A little olive oil here.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't do like choice teaspools feet and I
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  Speaker 3: don't cook like that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're a real cook.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an eye cooker. I cook. I cook like this.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna shake little little gratulated garland.
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  Speaker 2: You did that gradulated? This is garlic property. This is good.
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  Speaker 2: A little grands. I'm gonna have real garlic.
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  Speaker 1: What's the difference between granulated?
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  Speaker 3: I like the gradulated because it's like fine, it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like sandy, like sand. The guylic garlic powder. Some
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  Speaker 3: garlic powder is like power, real powder.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's just me. I don't that's just me, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: I was it.
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  Speaker 2: I was We didn't guys in.
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  Speaker 3: The open this to open app and make sure this
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  Speaker 3: one is. It's just one over Okay, this one is
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  Speaker 3: open lot' tonight.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm gonnadd a little pepper.
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  Speaker 1: Right, No, I think this is open?
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  Speaker 2: Is it open? Okay? There we go here. Just don't
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  Speaker 2: don't waste that dumping in there. There you go. I
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  Speaker 2: love the little salt.
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  Speaker 1: I love how you just did that He was like,
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  Speaker 1: we're not gonna waste this.
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  Speaker 2: Don't waste nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I need little charioche. Oh you don't dump the whole thing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: no little charioche. And we're gonna mix it garlic, pepper, salt.
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  Speaker 3: Really really like I would really go through this and
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  Speaker 3: make sure everything is really season That's how I do, right,
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  Speaker 3: make sure everything is really season.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's on there.
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  Speaker 1: And the olive oil just helps everything.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like a Lubri kid, you know. So you
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  Speaker 2: got that.
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  Speaker 3: And I like the cook with gloves just I'm because
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of fastidious and I don't like cook with
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  Speaker 3: gloves at home to cook with gloves. I like the
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  Speaker 3: other one, the Latex.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, like the little black ones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so not in here. I'm gonna add garlic. Now
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  Speaker 3: you said how much for this?
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  Speaker 2: Uh? This is good.
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  Speaker 3: I think I like garlic, but I mean I'm probably
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  Speaker 3: have a few more pieces.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's more I know here.
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  Speaker 2: You want to open it up for me? Is it okay?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna pretend like I made this barenade myself
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  Speaker 1: at home and look.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is good because it's not a whole lot.
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  Speaker 2: But I like garlic too. So that's the thing. So
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  Speaker 2: you see that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, garlic, it's like at least ten clothes of garlic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Now I would have used she got pickled alipans, which
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  Speaker 3: is fine.
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  Speaker 2: I would have used a real hala pano. Oh, but
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  Speaker 2: this is fine.
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  Speaker 3: But when you can always use fresh ingredients, okay, and
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  Speaker 3: you don't.
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  Speaker 1: How do you know if that's pickles? Does it say
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  Speaker 1: pickled on it?
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  Speaker 2: Because it's in a jar?
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  Speaker 3: That old Yeah, We've been in the produce section, the
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  Speaker 3: little green things, and one is probably a plenty. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so because this is probably not as hot, so but
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna put a lot on that. This is
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  Speaker 3: this is the kicker rooney right here. This is apricot jelly.
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  Speaker 3: So what you're doing is you're adding a garlic ea
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  Speaker 3: flavor with a little hot but a little sweet. So
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  Speaker 3: it's like as you eat it, you taste like garlic,
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  Speaker 3: you taste the sweetness and you get a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a heat. So it's really cool and it's really
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  Speaker 3: great for the chicken. And then we're gonna add some
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  Speaker 3: men and kids like this, and you can make it
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  Speaker 3: as hot as you want, less hot, less garlic. It's
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  Speaker 3: like upgu like if you can make a sweeter. If
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  Speaker 3: you're doing it for the kids, use more apricot jelly
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  Speaker 3: because the kids will eat it, right, but just a
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  Speaker 3: little garlic maybe and maybe not a much hallowpeeno if
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  Speaker 3: your kids are funny.
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  Speaker 2: But I like this as an.
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  Speaker 3: Alternative for chicken for dinner parties because everybody eats grilled
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  Speaker 3: chicken and everybody eats all that stuff, right, So for
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  Speaker 3: dinner parties, I'll do this, and then we'll do something
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  Speaker 3: you know, we do like three proteins. I usually have
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  Speaker 3: a fish, some type of steak and the chicken. And
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  Speaker 3: I like to do this because I'll give a hell
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  Speaker 3: of a dinner party. So anyway, so now I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: take some of this apricot jelly jeans is apricot jelly,
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  Speaker 3: and let's see if I'm successful with this.
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  Speaker 1: But wait, you're not gonna add anything else to it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put up bit more tarioca in it, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm just trying.
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  Speaker 2: To see where it goes first. And you can use
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  Speaker 2: water too, if you don't have to rocket, you can
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  Speaker 2: use water. Do I have it on there? And I
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  Speaker 2: don't think so this is not this is not my
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  Speaker 2: mind at home up here. Put a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: that in there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, a little tariochy in there. This is not my
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  Speaker 3: you know I have and just a couple of swooper
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  Speaker 3: loop y'all.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I did. I did this. I said, do
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  Speaker 2: do do do do. That's what I said. That's how
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah, you gotta yep and the.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, heard a lot mad, a little bit more tariocy
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  Speaker 3: in here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's looking like a little thick, thick, little sauce.
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  Speaker 2: It's a marinee but it's a sauce. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever like sample the sauce before you definitely talk?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my god, Oh I forgot the net. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I forgot.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be delicious.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta do the net, Dan. I wish I would have
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  Speaker 2: had it with the mint.
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  Speaker 3: Now you're gonna you're gonna taste it again with the mint.
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  Speaker 1: That little mixture right there.
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  Speaker 2: See integrate.
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  Speaker 1: Let that little mixture right there is gonna get me remarried.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, here we go. That's how it's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to look.
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  Speaker 3: I got a different Yeah, I'm gonna just get right
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  Speaker 3: here on the side.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That meant now, so I would probably have
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  Speaker 2: more mint. We just used the bitch you have it? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but you can taste it.
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  Speaker 3: You can taste the men and you can taste the garlic.
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  Speaker 1: So you want to go through at least two packs.
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  Speaker 2: Of men once. Of all, it depends on how much
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  Speaker 2: chicken you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, but if you got a lot of chickens
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  Speaker 3: in your you need a lot of mint. I would
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  Speaker 3: use definitely, Like I don't really taste the jalapenos as
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  Speaker 3: much as i'd.
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  Speaker 1: Like to know, but you can still taste. It's a
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  Speaker 1: little kid.
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  Speaker 2: Taste it, you know. Let's just put a couple more
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  Speaker 2: in here.
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  Speaker 3: But I would like to hear I would like to
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  Speaker 3: taste the halo penos a little bit more. So, look
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  Speaker 3: you see what that looks like. And then I like
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  Speaker 3: to give my a little spray.
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  Speaker 1: From we have the red one right there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, lords, I don't like to waste nothing. I love
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  Speaker 3: that I don't waste nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Dang that so good. I would be making a boatlo,
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  Speaker 1: can you just make it and then let it set
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  Speaker 1: in your friends?
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  Speaker 3: Mean, because it's got our oil is all done. You
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  Speaker 3: can definitely do things like overnight this for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of days. Okay, so you have a dinner party on
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  Speaker 3: Friday and you're gonna be busy Thursday. You can do this, wizard.
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  Speaker 1: You and these dinner parties. I don't think I've ever
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  Speaker 1: had a real dinner party.
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  Speaker 2: You a grown woman. You gotta have a real dinner party. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing like a great dinner party.
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  Speaker 3: M But you could do this literally like instead it
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  Speaker 3: a refrigerator in a zip black bag for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of days. It's gonna be fine til you get til
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  Speaker 3: you get to cook it. Okay, so you see.
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  Speaker 1: All that right there, Yeah, in that grade that looks
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  Speaker 1: the l Well, let me just tell you something that
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  Speaker 1: tastes so good.
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  Speaker 3: I see that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I.
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  Speaker 3: Would put this, like I said, in a zip black
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  Speaker 3: bag just like this, and and as you go back
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  Speaker 3: you taste you could say, that's why you gonna take Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm wanna a little bit more, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more garlic, poper. Oh wanna add a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more PEPPERII thing, you know, And I think it needs
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more salt.
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  Speaker 2: It needs a little more salt, alright, And then you.
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  Speaker 1: That looks delicious.
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  Speaker 3: Then, so now don't you have to take the chicken out.
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  Speaker 3: But this is what you would do.
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  Speaker 2: So say you do?
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  Speaker 3: Now you got this out of.
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  Speaker 2: No tong to Nope, okay, I'll use a fork. Say
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  Speaker 2: you got this out?
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  Speaker 3: Now you know of your bag, your plastic bag, and
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  Speaker 3: it's time to grill. Well, like I said.
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  Speaker 2: Before, this is sugar. So you got to watch it on.
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  Speaker 3: The grill because it will burn quick.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't it like that good burn Because you.
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  Speaker 3: Gotta watch it though you fame is not too high
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  Speaker 3: and you gotta watch it. But even if you just
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  Speaker 3: you could just like like I said, you could bake
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  Speaker 3: it or roast it in your oven. So but you
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  Speaker 3: see how this has.
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  Speaker 2: The flavor on it? Yeah, okay, so we just say
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  Speaker 2: that all this Now, I.
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  Speaker 3: Just want to show you how the the marinate looks like.
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  Speaker 3: So you do this. This is how you're gonna cook it.
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  Speaker 3: You're not gonna cook all that stuff on it, right.
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  Speaker 1: You want to get the access off.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna get the access off and cook it in
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  Speaker 3: the flavor.
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  Speaker 2: You get the idea, Yeah, I get the idea.
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  Speaker 3: So, but I just want to show how much of
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  Speaker 3: much of this marinate it's left over?
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  Speaker 2: How much Marionnate you have and then you chase that.
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  Speaker 2: I think I want a little bit more tariocic.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you chase that's it tastes so good. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that apricotsious.
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  Speaker 3: You change the game. Kids like this chicken too, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, So say you see that mayor Nate m
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  Speaker 3: Now you can even make more, but I'll tell you
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  Speaker 3: if you don't need it, because by the time, because
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  Speaker 3: this has an on it, and I would add like
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  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more cheriochy to it, some more seasoning.
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  Speaker 3: You could add more garlic or whatever you want. But
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  Speaker 3: you see that, Yeah, it's time. You boil this up.
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  Speaker 3: Then you pour it back over the cooked chicken.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and that gives you a little extra sauce.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome, right.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. We'll put this.
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  Speaker 1: It looks deliciously.
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  Speaker 3: She says, she's gonna take this home to night cook.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: We're gonnah, you don't get a post on your social
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: where it's gonna be like it was a hit tonight,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: then it was a hit.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: Right. It's definitely better when you marinated overnight, or at
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: least do it in the morning before you go to work,
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: and then when you come home from work you can
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: have it Oh, I'm gonna put this messiness over here,
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: all the stuff that we use right here, so we can.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: Have perfect Now we can get into your story.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: Definitely, try to have that marinate as long as you can,
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: at least the morning before you go to work. I
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: know sometimes I used to do that when my kids
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: were little. Before I went to the studio, I would
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: get up and get you know, things all cooked and
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: ready to go. And so when I got home, all
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: I had to do was just do the food.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: I love how you're cleaning up too.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: I always got clean clean up after yourself immediately when
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: you cook.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: That's always the best thing to do.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: Like, if I was at home, I'd be washing all
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: this in my sink right now.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: That's the best way to do it.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: That's how I am. I like, I can't even start
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: cooking unless the house is like, yeah, the kitchen has
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: to be met.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Everything has to be nice and okay.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: But so you have it there, we have it, have it,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: have it.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: It now, And now I can sit down and tell
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: us about these broke dishes you was eating.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: You don't want to know what I ate when I
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: was broke it. I gotta paint the picture for you.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: I was right out of Ohio University. When I graduated,
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: I moved to New York. New York is a very
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: expensive city, and I was dancing on scholarship with Alvin Ailey.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: So I was dancing. I was a dancer first.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Is that what you went to school for?
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: My Bachelor of Fine Arts concentration in dance. So I'm
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: in New York City dancing and.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: I got a waitress job.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Then I worked like two three nights, you know, at
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: the Cellar, which was a very prominent dominic in American place.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: It was very popular in the eighties.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: It was on ninety six and Columbus Avenue. So I
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: would get a free dinner. When you worked, you got
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: a dinner. So I love the nights that I worked
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: because I ate Otherwise I ate oatmeal and yogurt.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh say it was packet oatmeal at that Yeah,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: that's the only one I eat.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: And fruit, That's what I had fruit.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: But mainly the free the free meals of the free
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: meals was I knew.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: I got a meal that day, and I ate oat meal.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: I ate yogurt, and you buy the fruit off the
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: street and buy fruit. I didn't have a lot of girl,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of money for food, for groceries.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Did you have a lot of roommates too?
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Not just I was by myself.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I'm really were you like you New York had a
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: studio apartment downtown Brooklyn.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not a roommate girl.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, so that's what I ate.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: And then when I got money, then I started cookie.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: I had learned how to cook better, is because I
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: finally got married, you know, after a while.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: But I would get the.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Little of the little fish what are they call porgeese
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: that was that was famous in New York.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Porgiese. They were like about this big and I would
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: bake those.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I ate a lot of porgies and then I eat
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of veggies, kind of like what I do today.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Actually, my my diet.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Is not a lot different from what it was then
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: because I was a dancer and you know, I was
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: very healthy. But I ate a lot of little porgiese
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: eight cheap fish and veggies and.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Yo, you know, I ate yogurt and oatmeal first.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: And then after I started working saving money, I started eating,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: you know, a little bit more of stuff that I
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: could afford to buy go to the grocery store. But
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: I just don't want to always by just enough because
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to waste food, you know.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, but.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Your mission when you were coming to New York was
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: to be a dancer in a.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Theater, dancer, to do the whole thing.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so while you were going through that, what was
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: your next big play in that struggle life?
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Like? What was that where you had to get you
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: had to get seen, you had to get.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: A job first.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: But you were working at the cellar.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: And then I was working at the cellar because I
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: needed some money. I had to pay rent.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: But that had nothing to do with my career, although
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I did get my very first commercial out.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Of the cellar.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: For the people that live in New York that listen
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: to you, they might recall a commercial called, oh die hand,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: it's about it's a hairwave commercial. Now, this was when
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: hair weeds, I mean when they just came out. So
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: it was horrible, the hair he was horrible, and it
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: was this salon. Matter of fact, I had to call
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: them years later and say cease and dismiss because they
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: were still trying to use the old Diane hair commercial.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: When I was Vanessa Bell and then after I became
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Vanessa Bell Callaway and famous, they were.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Trying to use it, so that's another story.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And I told him to stop because that was like
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: a thousand years prior and I didn't sign it for that.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Vanessa Bell Collwich did not sign that, okay, you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: and they only had that for however long they had it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: They tried it, but you know, they stopped. I had
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the lawyer stop.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: But anyway, so I got my first commercial out of there,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: and then I also did some dance concert out of there.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I met George face On and he put me in
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: this uh a concert that he did with his.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Company, so it served his purpose.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: And then I had to I left the seller obviously
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: because I started to work.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I got my first.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Summer stock job, which allowed me to get my equity card.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: You know, equity is theater.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And what's summer stock means?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Summer stock is you know, you do theater around the country,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: like in these different theaters that have plays during the summer.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: You know, theater is really big, especially like in those
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: small towns. Summerstock that's what people do. They go see
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the theater. And the very first show I did was
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: The Whiz, a summerstock and we were in somewhere in Ohio,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: like and I'm from Ohio, but we were in like
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the small small towns in a while, and so I
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: got my equity card that way. Then I ended up
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: getting my SAG card, which is like for commercials, because
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: that I used to do a lot of commercials and
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: started doing a lot of commercials in New York. And
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: you get your after card, which is voiceovers and stuff.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Now it's SAG after, but back then it was SAG
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: and after they.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Were shy, were separate, Okay, So.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I had equity first, then I got sacked and I
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: got after. And once you get into the unions, it
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: makes your life a little easier because then you're able to,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: you know, audition for things, and they're able to hire
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: you because you're already in the union. So that held
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: a great deal. And then I started doing soap operas,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: which was huge. No, no, take that back. I went
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: on Broadway first. I did a couple of Broadway shows
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and off Broadway shows. So you know, the thing is,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: you said, the next thing, the next thing is just
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: getting a job, And when you get a job, you
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: gotta get that next job?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: You got a job? What's that next one?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And then but then you when do you so once
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: you got your first what did you say?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: What did you call it? Shock? What did you say
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: it was called?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: When summerstock summers.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: That was like the very first thing I got like
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: this because I got there like in the summer, and
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: then that following summer because I had been there like working,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: you know, in auditioning for almost a year. Then I
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: got Summer Stock and I was able to get mine.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And that's when you officially Was that when you officially
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: stopped working day jobs?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Kind of yeah, kind of, well, kind because I stopped
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: working because I got of the jobs at other small
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: companies because I ended up leaving Alvin Ailey and then
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I started, you know, then I was going to go
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: away on tour with this company for the summer. So yeah,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: and after that I was able to support myself only
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: with jobs I didn't have to do.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I did no more waitressing or anything like that. Wow,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I just yeah, I did. That was the only thing.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I did waitress for a little bit when I first
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: got to New York. And I've never had to do
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: anything else to take care of myself.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Now, were there ever like what I call like lean seasons,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: like where you were like you had to budget according
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: or you lived within certain of course.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: It's always you know, lean seasons. And I was I
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: was by myself.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I'm single.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: And what were your parents saying during all this because
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you were a young luck good luck? Were they in
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: support them?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: They were, but you know, I'm from Ohio and I
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: got no money in Ohio.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: They couldn't afford it, you know.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I always, like I used to tell everybody that, especially
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I tell my daughters.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't have.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: ANESS in Tony for parents like my kids, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: they move away somewhere and they're set.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Like my daughter moved to New.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: York four years after she graduated from spelling, My youngest one,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: she was set. We got our apartment, she hooked up out.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: You don't got the apartment hooked up for I didn't
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: have ANESS in Tony. I was very much on my own.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I had a mask.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Because you guys still pay, Like were you paying her
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: bills for those four years?
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: We took care of her apartment because she was right
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: out of college.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I know, to be on the Vanessa and TONI you said,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Vanessa TONI plan, yeah, shout out.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: She was working, you know, we we were helping her out.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But I had a mattress and a dresser was on
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: the no and eating I'm telling you a match and
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: a dresser eating oatmeal and yogurt and fruit.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I just stay full. Yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And I was in class all day too. So you
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: were just focused, you weren't. You weren't minding none of that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just you know.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't go all you know, I didn't go out
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: like the way I party and hang.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Out and go to dinners. Now.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Never did that in New York. I didn't people do it,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: but I didn't, you know, the money I had I
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: had to save, you know. Yeah, but I was But
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I was smart because what I did, especially when I
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: got on all my children, if I did while I
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: was on Broadway. There's a thing called the credit union, right,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: So what I would have the credit union do, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: you got paid every week, I would have them take
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: out some of my money and keep it, and that
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: I would live off of the money that I litted myself.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: And you always got one of your checks, one of
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: your pay check should always pay your rent, at least
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: one of them, if not one and a half of
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: the next one. But if you can have one paycheck, really,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: they'll tell you one paycheck out of the month should
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: pay your rent.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So I adapted that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Theory, so i'd have I looked at my rent and
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I said, okay, my money and said, okay, this this
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: is enough for my bill money, this is how much
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I need to live, and then this can be put away.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: So and you started that young, I started that young.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: So in doing that, then when I got to all
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: my children, and I was making more money than I
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: was making my brother because I was in the original
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: company of dream Girls. And when I tell you I
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: made like five hundred and seventy five, I'll never get it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I made five hundred seventy five dollars a week, wow,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: which is not nothing? Which is nothing then eight so
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: that's like almost two thousand dollars a month, right, But
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: like I said, that was the eighties.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: But then when I got on all my children, I
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: was making like five something an episode, and then sometimes
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I would work three episodes.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: It depends.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I would work sometimes, you know, soap o interesting. You
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: could work one day that week, you could work five
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: days that we depends on your storyline, But I was
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: having all my money go to the credit union. So
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: when I left to come out here from New York.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: When I finally left New York to move out here,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I had so much money saved up.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: But did you ever check those balances to see what
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was in there?
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And then to backtrack the soap operas, because I'm always
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: curious about this. Is it true that they like, have
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you like memorized your lines every day and the next
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: day you have to like record them?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: No?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: No, no, you're good day that day, so you get
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it that day.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna give you a life of a soap opera.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: When I was in the storyline with Debbie Morgan and
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Darnell Williams and we were very popular. Let's say I
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: worked four days that week. I might work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Let's just say that. So Monday we come and you
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: do what they call the prolog. You get there like
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: seven o'clock in the morning and you start blocking everything.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: So you could be anywhere from like the prolog, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: you could be at one, two, three. There's usually six acts,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: five and six. Maybe there's only one segment. You're not
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: in or two segments. So you're blocking that in the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: morning and then you go hair and makeup and then
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: you block and shoot. So then you go out to
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the student to the set and you actually run it
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and shoot it. So you got to know those lines
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: by then. But now you're on the next day as well.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, so you've got to take that's a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: lot us.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: You got to take the script from now it's that stress.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: It's just you know, you got a memory.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so now you got to take the script.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: So now you shooting Monday, but you gotta you start
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: working on Tuesday script because you've got to be in
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of scenes the next day.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: So you got to learn that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: So it's just it's just it becomes a habit. You
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: learn how to do it, and it becomes easier than
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: you think, you know, because it's a technique to how
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you do all that stuff.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, were there any like but was there a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: pressure like if you messed up your lines? Were they
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: like anal abowel?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: No, soap barbers, they are not anal If you if
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: you wanted a chance to redo something, you had to
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: really mess up, because I mean, in a way, it's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: kind of like they let real life happen. So like
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: when we're having a conversation here, if you go and
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: you stumbled, that's that's kind of natural, right, yeah, right,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Well if it has to be horrific for the soap
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: operas to say cut, do that again, because if we're
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: talking and I said, yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Girl, they gonna keep going okay, okay, you know, because
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it's like, what was your thoughts when you landed your
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: soap opera though? Like, what was that? Can you take
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: me back to that moment where you're like, oh.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Well, visualized being on all my children when I tell
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: you so much. I saw it in my dreams. I
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: knew it was gonna happen. I manifested it, and I
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: used to send them stuff every month like, hey, I'm
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm in this, I'm in that, sending pictures
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: of me, you know, just reminding them by who I was.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: So I was determined to get on that show, and
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I just when it happened. I wasn't surprised because I
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: knew the mental energy that I put into it, but
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I was delighted and I was determined that that was
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: gonna work.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So you for it, Oh no, you put it that work.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: No, I'll put that work in for that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just a like, I mean I had.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: An audition, but you got to get to the point
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: where they called you into audition.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the art, and you were putting in net
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: work for that call.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I put in that work.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I stayed in touch with the casting people and I
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: used to send them stuff like every week.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Wow, is that now for the rest of your career?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Was it that difficult or or did you always difficult?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: You know, it's never easy and just go oh, when
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: did you make it? Nobody's ever made it. Even the
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: people who who've made it, they're still trying to get
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: the next level of something, whatever that is for them.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: So it's always difficult, you know.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Do you well even hearing that, do you are there
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: people or have you faced that point where you're like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it's gotten to the point where maybe things have slowed
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: down to the point where you're like, oh.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: No, no, it's because it's a different time and I'm
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: a different age, different category, a different everything. It actually
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: has been very good, you know, because there's more programming,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: there's more stations, there's more shows because you know, all
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: the streaming and you know, Back in the day there
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: was NBCCBS and ABC that was it Fox, and those
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: guys hadn't even been created yet when I haven't.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Got out of college and started.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: So the competition was very difficult, and they weren't working.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Black girls weren't working.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's only like a handful of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: them that keep getting the same.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: They sanctioned a few, and if you wasn't in that list,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I don't care how good you work.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: It was difficult.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: It's in a sense a little bit easier now, not
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: as easy as it should be, not as vast as
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: it should be.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Because there's more. You know, if I were the.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Age I was back then at the time, this time
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: right now, oh, I'd be killing it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: You think. So, I do think it's harder because of
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the stream I got more options.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's more if.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: But is the pay still the same like with streaming services,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: because I've seen something, Well.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not really addressing the pay because the pay is
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: everything is negotiable. There's no contract that's the same. So
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: that's really depending on who you are, your value, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: who negotiates for you. So that's that's a different topic.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the opportunities because when I was right
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: out of college, it was very difficult.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: You know. I was able to do a lot of commercials.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I was able to do Broadway and off Broadway.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I finally got into soap operas, but it was hard
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: because they weren't letting black girls work, not the way
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: you see all these little.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Black girls working now. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: If I if I had the talents I had then
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: and I was, you know, submerged in this market, now,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: who knows what would happen?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Now is there more competition, Yes, but there's a lot
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: more opportunities because back then it's like it was hard,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: you know, because you just didn't they sanctioned two or
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: three people to be the.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Female stars.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like I felt like for a long
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: time it was like only the light skinned and then
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: now definitely now it's definitely taking turns.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, you know that people.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: It's more recently than now.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I think that it still hasn't changed. It still is now.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: It still is. But I feel like after Wakanda, you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: started to see and it literally means.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say all that, but it's still it's hard
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: to do that. I mean, I look at commercials, look
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: at commercials, and now we're getting on the subject. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: don't know we're digressing, but I look at commercial and
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: it's I'm not you know, trust me. I love all
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: my sisters. We are all beautiful. I love my brother.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: So I'm not saying it's to be condescending or anything
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: to anybody or there because we can't help the color
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: we are.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Who are mom and daddy was how we came out.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: We can't have that. But it's just interested to me.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Every time I look at these commercials, it's a dark
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: skinned brother with a light skinned woman the wife. It
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: always is now and then you'll see a dark skinned
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: sister with a dark skinned brother. But it's like, what
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: is this formula that they think they have to use?
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I think right now that everyone's trying to play it's
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: almost like too I hate to say it too too fair,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Like everything has to be like we have to have
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: one for each category race. It doesn't matter if someone's
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: super to it or not. I feel like every network
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: plays it super safe and growing up, I'm mixed. But
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: growing up I used to hate that I didn't see mixed. Ever,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I never saw mixed relationships growing up. Now, it's like,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: now all you do is see everything.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Back then, they would never have a black man with
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: a white woman. Okay, so it's kind of like a
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: give and take. A lot of things have grown and progressed,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: and a lot of things are like, okay, y'all staying
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: there a little too long?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Can we yeah?
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, y'all stayed I mean, we
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: get that, and it's cool and that's right, and it's
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: good to show that, but can we show some of
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: this other stuff over here? But you know, it's gonna
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: take time for everything. But no, I think that now.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I worked so much now, I mean, I mean, I've
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: been blessed. I've worked my whole career, even when it
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: was difficult to get a.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Lot of stuff.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: We talked some of your credits.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I tell you some.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Of those years it was difficult to get stuff, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I just stayed in it. And I've always taken care
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: of myself and I think that happens and I've always
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: and I'm very professional and that definitely helps.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: And so so.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I mean I'm good. It's you know, I constantly work.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Now you know, I'm starting in shows. I got my
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: black Hampton Show, going back on Vince Staples Show. You know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I just got off a Broadway six months doing Parley
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: in New York, so you know.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: A lot of things, a lot of I got a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: couple of movies coming out, So you know, do you
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: still have to audition?
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, unfortunately do you do?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: You hate it when I.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Hate auditioning, hate it with the passion. But you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: it's like some people call me and say, hey, Vanessa,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: do this, and then some people say, you.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Know, we need to see her, We just need to
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: see her do this.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: So then you you're your foot with the task of
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: you know, your eagle could get ahead of you and
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: go like.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Y'ah, yeah, just over to me now.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: But if it's a part you really want, it was
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: a good part, do you say flip them off or
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: do you say okay, okay.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: What role do you think, in particular change the trajectory
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of your career.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Do you feel I think that I don't think it's
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: one role. I think that it's just was timing with
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: several roles. But of course, if you say it was
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: one of the most memorable that people love is coming
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: to America, ones love got to do with it you know.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: But but but that didn't change my career like you
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: would think, Yeah, that's the same. I'm gonna just give
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: you an example. That same year, Meg Ryan was in
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: was it Officer and Gentlemen? Which one was that she
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: was a friend with Anthony Edwards? It was either top
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: with one top gun, so it must have been off anyway.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: She was in one of them movies with Tom Cruise.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: She played the girlfriend, and Paramount released my move and
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: released her movie.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: They made her a star. I didn't get a job
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: after that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: People talked about me like, oh my god, you're so beautiful.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: They called me in and had like this little general
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: meeting with a bunch of people just to say they
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: did and gave me nothing else after that they made
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: her a movie star. But you're talking about nineteen eighty
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: and nineteen eighty nine, Yeah, that time. But that's my point,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: exactly what I'm saying about before you're talk about nineteen
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: eighty nine.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: So I just see what you're saying. I think that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: there is so many roles that you play world.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I think now that.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Role would really really like if I did that role
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: now the age I was then, it probably would have
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: spun off to a whole lot of things. Yeah, but
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I'm grateful. You know, your journey is your journey. My
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: trajectory is my trajectory. It is what it is. I
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: am who I am because of all those things. And
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: guess what, you can't go back change it, So you
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: might as well just moving forward and be appreciative to
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: what you had, right.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I love to hear that you work for
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I think that in today's age, everyone thinks it's just
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: like you get this one big role and then that's it.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: You don't have to audition, you don't have to try out,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you don't have to network. Do you still network?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Of course I do.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: You do.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I go to thing I go to in the order
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: you get the unless you want to be bothered. But
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I get up and I go to things I should
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: go to so I could see people that I need
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: to see to say, reconnect, because it's not that people
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: don't like you.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: They if they don't see, they don't think about you.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: So if you stay in the house and stay out
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: of you know, the public, then people forget about you.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: But not to me.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: That you got to be like miss thing and everything
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: in the open of an envelope. But some things you
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: need to attend if you can, so you can hobnob
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: and rub elbows and hey, good to see.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You know. Some people go you know what.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I had a guest say on one of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: our episodes that she would just do at least thirty
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: minutes to forty five minutes. She didn't just go do
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: her time, and then you know, get out.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: But I don't go to everything.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I go to things either i'm invited for that I
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: want to be bothered with, you know, or things that
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I know would benefit me, or things that I'm affiliating
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: with because maybe it's a you know, a cast party
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: or a screening or something like that. But I definitely
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: get out as much as I can because it's important.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: And then for you, you have a team. I know
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: because I had to go through your team. Is it
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I think I saw like Taraji or someone talk about
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like all the different members on our team.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Do you have a small team. I have a very
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: small team right now. It's just being my manager, to
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: be quite honest with you, because of some other developments.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: But no, I you know, I don't. I don't need
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: all those people to speak for me. You know, you
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: need a good publicist, and you need a good manager
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: who negotiates, and you know, sometimes if you need a lawyer.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: But I don't have like a lot of people.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: You know, do you have a team.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Do you usually have a publicist every time you have
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a project come out or do you just keep a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: publicist all year?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Wrong, I'm both. I've done both.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I've done both because technically, when you got a project
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: coming out, if the publicist for the project is doing
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: their job properly, you shouldn't have to have your own
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: publicists because they should be working for you know, not
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: only the project, but getting you plugged in as well.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: That does it always work? Absolutely not. Sometimes you have
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: to get your own publicists because they're focused on save
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: your number three on.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: The call sheet or number two on the caution.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so focused on number one they're not paying
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: attention to you. So then that's when you Sometimes you
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: have to get your own publicists so that you could
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: get per on the same project.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Now, when they do it for you, like say it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a movie or a show and the publicist comes along,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: this is just a me question. By the way, do
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you get to select what media when they say, okay,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: here's do they present all the media to you. Because
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Polic I'm like, I'll tell you this, like when shows
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: come out and I ask who are they? Who's that podcast?
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, and everybody got a podcast now.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: But that don't mean I gotta be on everybody's podcast
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: because I'm up in your podcast. You're really not doing
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: nothing for me, and we're not really promoting the show
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: for your two thousand viewers.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: By the way, we're very thankful that you're.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: You know, but I'm not saying you, but I'm just
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: saying I get it. You look at it like that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: It's like I'm enhancing your show. You're really not up
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: in my value of anything. So yeah, you have to
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: look at that and go like, and I'll say, you
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: give one of the other cast members to do that.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing these shows.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: You really, Oh yeah, but they at least present everything present.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I'll do that.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: You know that, what's this one? I'll do the big ones.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: But all those thousand podcasts that start requesting you no, no, no.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Well hey, that makes us more appreciative, That makes it more.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Always have a personal connection to it, or it's a
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: really good one, but everybody's got a podcast in their
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: garage somewhere, and it's like they're happy to give you.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And they got two thousand viewer listeners. You know what
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's like, that's that's me doing you a favor.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: So when they have a project, you know, they were like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: we got to promote the show, I'll be like, get
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: one of the other cast members.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, but at least they represent all of them to you,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: so you could cherry pick.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Well they do.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: And sometimes they'll they I'll say this, they present what
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: they want to present to me. Yes, sometimes they will
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: veto it before it even gets to me, like, yeah,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: we're not doing that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen posts do this. Yes, I'll be like, no,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna we're not gonna even bring that to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the cast. You know, you know this is a sidebarn.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: But I could still taste some of the garlic in
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that marm.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: You taste it, I'm still tasting it too.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I literally could take it good.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Imagine that marinate and overnight.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I could literally the audience what I told
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: her real quick.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: So she doesn't have a grill, so I suggest that
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: she gets one of her cooking sheets. Line it with foil,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: shake all the stuff off, like I said, lay it flat,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty, three hundred and fifty, but watch
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: it because you don't want to get too dry, right,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: flip it. I would say, like, that's chicken thighs and
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: breast on the breast.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I hate.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Chicken breast by the way, I do too. I love it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I love dark.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: But anyway, just look at it and if one's done,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: take it out, you know, let the others cook, but
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: just bake it and then still cook the marinad and
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: pour it on top.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: It'll still worked out.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And you could do that with rice, vegetabat rice, whatever
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: you want. I feel like that would be great on
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: a salad too. That would be on a salad, right,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: have you done it?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Though not on the salad, I have not see.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: I just talked to something, you know, you know, invite
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: as usually I have like a lot of baronade because
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: I'll make more marinate and cook it and then the
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: chicken's on the platter and the marinate's all on it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: So you really get that merit, you really get that.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: But that would be great with rice though I think too.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see I had the right ready, I had the
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: rice ready.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: But I just want to share that with you guys
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: about how to do it if you didn't have a grilp.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: But go ahead, what advice do you would you get
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: to aspiring actresses and people trying to entertain and get
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: into the entertainment business.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I get asked this question quite a bit, and there's
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: several things I always say. First of all, you got
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: to be You got to study. You know, I don't
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: care how cute you are. You just don't walk off
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: the street and become a good actress. It just and
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: you could have a natural flair for it. You know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: not everybody's born an actress. You know you gotta work
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: to it. But you don't think that you could just
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: be you and just yeah, don't work that way. You
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: gotta study. But the main thing I tell people stay ready,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: to be ready? Now what does that mean? It means
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: different things to different people. You don't like your teeth,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: maybe you feel like you're about ten pounds over weight,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: you need to get something fixed on your face or
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: your your hair cut is not whatever that.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Means to you, do it?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Get it ready, because if you get an oper If
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: somebody calls you on Friday, they want you there on Monday,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna lose that ten pounds over the weekend.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to get your teeth fixed
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: over there. You know what I'm saying.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: It's like, so stay ready to be ready, and then
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: also me spiritually, mentally and with your craft, you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: study so because sometimes that door opened this big and
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: if you could either bust it open and you could
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: fizz out andy be like this yel connext, or you
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: bust it out and you kill it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But sometimes when that door's open, just to.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Crack, you got to be ready to go in. You
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: don't have time to get ready.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: That's great advice. What made you put on the director
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: and producer hat?
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: It was a natural progression, you know, And actually I
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: realized I've been.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Directed for years.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: One of the very things, very first thing that director
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: was a music video in the eighties, when the late eighties,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: eighties min eighties, when I was doing dream Girls. One
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: of the singers she had released the songs she was
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: turning to an album, and I directed her music video.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: This is when music videos first came out.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, and I recently.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Ran across it and it actually wasn't that bad. I
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: was cracking up. But I choreographed it and I directed it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Oh you did both? Yeah, wow, yeah wow.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: So I've been, you know, doing it for a while,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: you know, you realize. And also I used to choreograph
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: all the stuff in high school, all the big plays
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: in high school, I choreographed, like junior my senior year,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: the spring musicals, I was the choreographer. And then I
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: was on the drill team and me and my girlfriend
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: used to choreograph all the routines. So I've been doing
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: this for years, you know. And that's why, you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: young kids went they're doing stuff like this, don't take
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: it for granted, because what you're doing is you're training.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yourself for later on. Yeah, it really is.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And then I directed like little podcasts, little you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the web web series and stuff.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And then I went on from there.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I started directing episodic and TV emil movies and so yes,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I just I've been doing it for a while, and
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: it was just a natural progression because I'm in front
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: of the camera so much and people.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Say, oh, I don't know if I could direct that.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: See be surprised. You know more than you think you
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: know because you've been in the business. If you have
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: been in the business for a long time, and if
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you have been in front of the camera, you have
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: absorbed so much. You know more than you think you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: you know, and so when you get behind the camera,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: it's just kind of awfuls into place and producing.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Producing is nothing other than just putting all the little
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: pieces together, the people together, getting everything flowing, getting everything done.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: You know, does a producer always have to cut the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: check though, or do you go out and raise.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Well, depends. When you're a one man show, you're the
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: producer's cut the check, raising campble doing the schedule. Yeah, exactly,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: hire the people.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: It just depends. You know.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I've been a one man show a lot, so I've done.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: But when I work for networks and I do TV movies, no,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm a director. I get producer credit because
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I also, you know, have a lot of saying of
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: the elements that go into the filming to the movie.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: But I don't do all the work.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Because those people they've hire people to do off those
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: line producers.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And is that something you also negotiating your contracts, like
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I want to produce a credit definitely most does that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: help you on the back end, though, when you get
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a producer.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: It does because you get producer credit. You get done
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: on the credit, but you get paid as.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: A producer, okay, in addition to.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Addition to acting.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And then also you know, you got production credit. Then
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: once you get that set up, when you get other projects,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like your norm. They have to respect
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: that she's going to be a producer on this as well,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: because that's just what she does, Okay.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And then I but you're not writing though.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I don't really.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I write privately, but I'm not like, yeah,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: but that's not to say it won't happen.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: But I do write.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna happen in your future, your creative.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It needs to.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: And I need to get off my ass and get
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: some stuff finished, so that too.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm hopefully we'll see you in the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: podcast space you did.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: George, I already did.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I had episodes you gotta go, you gotta here go
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: do you go to h in the Company of Friends
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: dot tv And you can see my uh my wepisode
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: that I did, my web series that I did this
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: called In the Company of Friends and it's a dinner
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: party show. I did that, and then I also did
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: that So Very Fanessa, which was a podcast, and I
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: did one hundred episodes from Debbie Allen to the Toy
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: to who else?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Did you guys want to see those episodes?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: My god?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Every who else?
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I mean so many people, NFL people for super Bowl people,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: all kind of stars.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I can't even think.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: And you you produced that show, and I produced that
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: show and directed that, booked.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: The talent and did the interviews.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's time to re release a hundred of
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: them I did. Yeah, that's a lot of work.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of work in my own web series
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I did, I did, I had, I had my husband
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: doing craft service child.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. That's hilarious, hilarious, hilarious, hilarious. How did you
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: find mother being a mother, actress, director, producer, Like, what
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: was the hardest part of those jobs? In juggling it?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: You very supportive, you know, And and that's the only
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: reason I could do it, because he took on some
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of the and he was always encouraging do it, do it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: So the kids were smaller and I'm running around here.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Doing podcasts and web series and acting and and then
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: you know, because if you're not busy, super busy, then
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: you fill your life up with that and that that
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: becomes your project for that moment, so you keep your
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: creative juices flowing and you keep everything out there. I
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: actually got distribution for that web series. I actually got that,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: got a little bit of money for that. But I
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: just did it, and I was I was one of
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: the lucky ones because I had my might, moved my
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: mother here, my husband, so I had people that can help.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Me get a little village village.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And people that I was one of the lucky ones.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: What's like, would you say is the downside to the
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: industry If you had to say.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of downsides.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: But I still think that the equality is not quite
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: where it should be.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Between male and female or races.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it's several. It's racists male and female,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: and agism is horrible. Agis agism is horrible in our industry.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Nobody talks about that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah you would, But I see the way I look
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: at acting, and I'm definitely naive, guys, because I don't
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: know that much about it. But I always assumed it's
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: like they cast for a certain look and feel you.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at you a person you're looking, but the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: thing is extremely young.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: They you know, they're always they've gotten a little bit better,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: but they always only want young projects. So it's kind
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: of like when people get just like, what are we
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: supposed to go out the pasture and die? You know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: when women get in our in our fifties or so,
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: you know, they now it's a little better. They are
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: hiring older women. You know, look at somebody like Glenn
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Close was still killing it. But that's that's not always
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: a normal.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: So say someone like you, are they looking at okay,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: this is your age, or they look at you because
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: you look I'm feel.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: They look at you.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they look at the they look at me to say,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: oh she could play that although technically on paper she's older,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: but she looks like she could be that woman.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, they are doing it, and then they'll say, oh.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: She's the right age for the character because her characters
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: same age.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: So I think it goes both ways.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: But my point is we got to get a lot
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: of roles so we could do that right. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: you know, everybody ain't just twenty and thirty and forty forever.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: So you're saying like most of the writings are for
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: that younger demo. Yeah, I saw. Did you watch the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Marlon Wayne's interview with them when he talked about John Witherspoon, No,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't about Well, Marlon Wayne's had said how he
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: had like him and his brother had fought for John
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Witherspoon to be his his dad on the show. But
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: when you watch that show, which I was a huge
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: fan of that show back then, it was like these
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: two young guys, they were cute, but John Witherspoon was
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: this older guy that they cast. But he literally was
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like a big deal in the show. Every time he
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: stepped on seeing and he was older. You know, you
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: It's about the work you bring. You know, it's about
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: the work you bring.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you could bring what's needed and deliver,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: that's what's important.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Now with the agism, do you feel pressure to do
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: like all the things to make.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: You look younger.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I just make myself look young as
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I'm vain. You are goody goes a long way. I
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: mean as far as exercises right, taking care of my
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: skin I.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Mean I do that anyway.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Do you know do you and other black actresses try
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: to stick together when it comes to pricing, because I
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: heard Gabrielle Union talk about that.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that depends now because like my
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: friends and I earned doing the same projects. So I'm
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: not pricing. It's none their business what I'm making. It's
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: none of my business what they're making.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: But if you were.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Doing a project together, you know it's okay to say, hey, girl,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: make sure they give you da da da da da,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: because you know, I think it's okay to checking with
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: if you're friendly.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Like that, because also that could backfire on you too.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: She putting up a person it could Oh yeah, that
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: could definitely, you know. But you know, how there is
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: even you have mentioned like they have their there was
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: a particular point where they had their five girls or
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: their three girls that they were there. That's who they're
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: gonna go to for this role. I think Gabrielle Union
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: had addressed like how they went to They she knew, Okay,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: if I'd say this number, they're gonna go and call
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: the next girl, and the next girl and the next girl.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: So she got all three all all the girls online like,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: let's just stick with this number. You know this number
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: if you know those people well enough to do that,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: you know, But what's their incentive?
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Is like, well, because if you turn it down, then
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: they coming to me. Yeah, you know, I'm having a
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: piece of hair on my Facebook. Take it off, you know,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: So what's her incentive? Just to stick to your number?
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Then theyga just gonna come back to you and give
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: it to you.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, I hear what.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: She's saying, but it could easily.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Because it's like, although you're close that number two, and
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: they listen, she wants.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: That job too.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Of course she may need the job, needed, wanted whatever.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: So if you're like ten thousand, five thousand away and
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: they just dig their heirs and say no, we're not
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: giving you an extra ten thousand, you can't call the
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: other person say turn down that job because they're not
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: give me the ten thousand. Because another person admit that
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: whatever that is might be good for them right now,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: they're like, Okay, this is five thousand or seven thousand
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: less than ten thousand. You're gonna pay Gabby, But I
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: kind of want that job. I want the part, and
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: I'll take it. So I get what she's saying, but
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: you calling those other people said that if you all
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: like are doing, are you already cast in a movie
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: that's different, See the three people are cast for a
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: different parts, then you stick together, like, hey, let's make
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: them pay us because because whoever number one is gonna
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: get more.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Than number three. That's just that's just where that is.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: So you could say, hey, then people don't want to
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: tell you what they're making. Do That's the other thing too,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: People don't want to tell you what they're making. But
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: you can stick together, like make sure we get all
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: of the amenities and stuff that we want. But if
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: you're not cast and they're gonna look at the three
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: of us for this one role and we all say, okay,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: we're not gonna do it for less than one hundred
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars, what is there?
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I don't you know what I'm saying.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it makes sense.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: They'll go back to number one.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: But why is number two saying I'm doing I'm not
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: gonna do it less for one hundred thousand, Because then
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: number three says I'm not gonna do less for one
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: hundred thousand. Then they're gonna go to number four and
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: she'll say I'll take the seventy five thousand.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: So now three people just got out of a job
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: and I'm just saying no, and I understand your argument,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: and I understand what you're trying to fight for. But
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: that fourth person is taking that job because she needs it,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: and she's gonna like that's seventy five thousand.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just using these as numbers.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: You know that seventy five thousand sounds good to be
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: or that eighty thousand because they're gonna hold off for
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: twenty thousand, all three of them.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Now, if you had to choose between a role that
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: is a script that's really amazing, maybe you are the lead,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: maybe or not, but it's a really amazing script that
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the budget that you want, or a script
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: that has a huge budget but you don't like the script.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: There's no no where you're going with this. There's three reasons.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I take a job. Okay, I take a job because
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: the script is incredible. The money may suck, sometimes the
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: money is decent, but the script is good. The part
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: is something I just feel like I have to do.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I take a job because the people involved. This is
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: a camp I want to get in or camp of
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: people that have supported me that I like, or you know,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: just I finally broke into this camp and the money
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: can sometimes be decent, great or whatever. Or I take
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: it because the money is fucking good and I want
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: the money at this point, the job could be.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: You know. So there's three reasons that I take a job.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Those are good reasons.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Those are and there's reason. You'll look up, it'll be
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: two out of three.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: It's a good camp and it's a great role, but
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: the money may suck because it's independent, or it's a
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: great you know role the money's decent or the you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: you're in the good camp and the money's decent, but
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: the roles okay, you know it just it's.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Just do you also look at the distribution and all
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: of that when you're looking at it too, But you
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: know you do.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: But once you get in bed with people, I assume
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: that if I'm in bed with you know, the independent
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: stuff sometimes you have to look out for.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: But if I'm doing them.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I just finished the movie with Sony that Kicky Palmer
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: and siss it was it.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I know that they're.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Gonna try to kill it with that. I ain't got
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: to worry about that. I went to work, did my thing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: They already did a cut out here. The cuts good
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: out here.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I'm good in it. So that's all I care about.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: It is I called me when you need me, what
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: you're gonna do?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: The money was and then that's a great example. The
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: money sucked. The money. I'm just to be honest.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: The money sucked. But it was a project I wanted
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: A part of for a lot of reasons, so I
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: took the job.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you you look at it from all angles. You're
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: a businesswoman, actress directly, because sometimes.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: What I can't get from you now, I can get
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: it from you later.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, you know I agree. So how
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: can everyone keep up with you? And can you tell
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: us what projects you have coming out to that camera?
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the Black Hamptons.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: We're going to go back shooting that in the next month,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: and then I'm going back on The Vince Staples Show
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: season two. I have a Christmas movie coming out called
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: The Queens of Christmas.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I'm quite sure when that's gonna air.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: And then, as I just said, I did the Scissa
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: and Kiki Palmer movie. I think that's coming out next spring.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: But you can see me on Vanessabel Callaway. That's my Instagram.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I don't do Twitter anymore. It's just now X it
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: got on my nerves.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I'll stop that.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: I don't do Facebook, but my Twitter goes to my Facebook.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: I hate Facebook. I'm sorry what I hate Facebook?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: That's just what about TikTok's out?
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Nah?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I mean TikTok.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: I haven't really gotten into it that much, you know,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: but I'll.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Make it more into that.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: And I don't mind TikTok, but I just some of
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: my Facebook I just never liked.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Really all my nerves, I still it's just all is.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just it's spy on all your people you
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: went to high school with.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: It's like all this other miscellaneous stuff. So do I
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: have fan pages for face so you can't go on
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Facebook because whatever I post on Instagram goes to Facebook?
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Bright, Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: They. Then I have a website that needs to be updated,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: but you can go to Vannicsiuvill Gallaway dot.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Com and then you go in the Company of Friends dot.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Tv and you can see my That's a very nest
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: podcast and my Intercompany of Friends, my web series that
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I did before everybody was doing them. I did this
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: stuff before everybody, way before everybody else started. Now everybody
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: does it, but I did it way before everybody else
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: was doing it.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like you could recycle some of that content.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk curious.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I'm curious.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about it.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: And then is there any person that you worked with
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: that you could give us just a fun tidbit that
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: you that you recollect something that would be kind of
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: just fun and entertaining.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Really, no, not off the top of my head. I
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: just had had fun every time I work.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: You know, sometimes I'm lucky and I've worked with people
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: more than once. We get along, we have a great time.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Some projects are a lot of fun.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Some projects you just go to work, do and leave.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Do you like working alongside comedians more than other people, because.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I like working alongside actress actress.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Comedians can be very interesting to work with because they
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: love them, but they.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Some of them a little ad d.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: You're like, I want to get through today, right exactly,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and they're just and they go they go off and
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: they want to tell all these stories and they want
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: to do their stand up comedy for the crew because
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: they're always on.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, they're always on which is great.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not, you know, saying anything bad about
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: my brothers and sisters and the comedians. But sometimes it's
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: actually I'm like, can we get to this scene so
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: I could go home, Let's go stop talking and do
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: the lines, let's hit it.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I could see that. I could see that. So you
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: like work alongside professional actresses and actors.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: It's fun if you're doing a movie that's a comedy
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: and you're with a comedian, because they're gonna be fresh
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: and they're gonna be you kinda look like calle Berry.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it, tell you that a lot. Yeah,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: like Cali Berry anyway, but yeah, she's beautiful.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: But there's like sometimes like if you're doing a comedy
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: and you're in the scene with a comedian, that's great
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: because they're gonna give you a lot the feed off
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: of because they're gonna add lib. You get to add lib.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: But it's gonna be that's gonna be great. But if
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: like I've done movies and the they just can't some
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: of them just can't focus and just can't come down
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: and focus on that scene.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I could see that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine. And then I had a producer
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: come in and you know, he was saying that if
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: you write one word on a song, uh, then you
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: could technically qualify for like a writer credit if you
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: even do. But when you add in a movie or
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: a show, you don't get nothing. Okay, that was it.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for for feeding my daughter me
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the week. I will tell you how that dish came out.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: But tasting the marinade alone, you're gonna make it. I'm
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: gonna make it. To be honest, I low key really
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna buy a grill and try to grill
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: it because for some strange reason, I feel like it's
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: gonna taste really good.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Oh it's gonna take.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: And let me tell you, everybody, you can put this
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: a ziplock and you could last in refrigerator two days
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: before you cook. It's gonna be just fine.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna try and wait at
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: least twenty four hours.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: But I only wanted to sit up in that and
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: then then every now and again, go on you refrigerator
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: and bullsh it up.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: And change the sides, okay, you know, and then do
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I take the You ever see when they get the grill,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: they have the little paintbrush.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: After I do the boiling a new grill, you gotta
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: get that top so the chicken doesn't stick. There's ways
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: people do it. Some people take an onion and do
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: the grates.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: You know. Some people do that.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: You might want to brush it with a little pam
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: or a little something, because when you get a new grill,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: you just don't want to throw meat and stuff on
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: it because it's just gonna tear up your meat and
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: your fish because of the grates are good. I did
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: not know that, so I could do onion or Yeah,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: some people take an onion, okay, and then just go
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: and then just go through like over, like back and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: forth a lot.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: You know, you should definitely be doing a cooking show.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I had one, Yeah, you one.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: The show had girl had a night nightmare with an editor.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: And this show never really got out because I fell
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: out with this editor. It was called cooking and hook
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: it up how to have a meal for fifty dollars
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: or less for young people.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's great, it was great too.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: So what happened?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: I did all these shows and then the editor based
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: hijacked my stuff.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: It was girl. Oh. A couple of shows, A couple
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: of shows I was able to get out, but it
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: was I.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Would have Kanye. You ever seen the episode with Kanye
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: they try to pull an ash because they try to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: pull something on him. He grabbed his footage and ran.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: That would have been me. Yeah, I be like, you
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: gonna give me my footage?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: But it was.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: But that's just a good hack right there, Like to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: do that. But I'm gonna get th gril. I plan
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: on doing this for real. I'm gonna get the girl
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: do the onion thing and then just get a little
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: spam or something. But do I take the little paintbrush
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: and then like after I boil the or like what
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: do you cure thet all the thing?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: And if you want to do you know, like say,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: if you decide you want to add some chicken to this,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: I would make a little bit more of the baronade
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: and that right, and you just add it to the chicken.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: But then then in the plastic bag, you're gonna do
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: this and try to get all of that good stuff. Yeah,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: you'll turn it inside out. You have to, girl, Like
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: I put on my plastic gloves. I don't leave noney
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: to get all that good stuff into your bath and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: then taste it a little bit more soft. Let me
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: add a little bit more terioki, oh, let me add
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: a little more garlic powder. Well, taste it right, okay,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: and then after you you grill it. No, you don't
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: have to paint it on there. Just get it boiling
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: and take that hot little pot you know you.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Need a little pot.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a big pot, and just on top the chicken,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: and then get your spatulattle and scrap.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: You're hilarious.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: You and this.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Don't waste nothing.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: I don't waste nothing. Don't waste nothing.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: This was the great interview. Thank you so much for
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: your time, Vanessa.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I really pre sure. Yeah yeah, Now I gotta go
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: home and eat. I'm hungry little.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, I promise you I'm gonna
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: take full credit for this, and I do that sometimes
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: you should.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I'll be like, I'm gonna tell you this too.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Any dish that you like, make it at least once
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: a month, and it will become your own because you'll practice,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: you'll decide. You know what, I wonder what would happen
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: if I add Probably nothing, but it's just gonna add
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: to it. And if the more you do it, the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: you know, the better you become at making it, and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: you'll make it quicker, and you'll know the flavors that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: you want, and so it will become yours.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: You will take credit for it.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Have you?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: This is sidebarring it. But my mom was in town,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: so I was like, you have to make us to
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: making food like enough to last a week. So my
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: mom I noticed she washes all her chicken with vinegar.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Oh I don't. I just wash my chicken real good.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: But I actually think it may actually make it good. Yeah,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Like I low key in the back of my mind,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I'm gonna to steal that from
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: her because I think it makes a difference a little bit.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: It did, but it just I don't know.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I just washed it real good. I get a knife
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: and I go through and I clean everything, and I
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: washed it real good.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Dry.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: I've remembered the pets that dry season, and I never
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: had a look at I'm never looking at Boudy towels
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: the same after this.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you guys. Peace out.