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ISAAC HALE: Knocked Loose, Grammy's, Meshuggah & Metal Legacy · The Downbeat

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What's up guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat
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of Knock Loose. He is a unbelievable musician.
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He has a big love of Metallica, Meshuga, Gojira, high fashion.
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chat. We just came back from seeing
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the code Downbeat. Without further ado, it's Isaac
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Hale of Not Blues on the Downbeat podcast.
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What are we going to say? You had a question for me.
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I was going to ask, hey, I was going to ask if you wanted to
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start a band. With you, yes.
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One of my questions that I have today is what are you have a
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billion bands? But let's kick it off with this,
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Yeah. Have you got someone in mind?
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No, I'm kind of just doing this thing in my life currently where
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I wake up, I do a little workout, I do a little walk,
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run, and then I come home and I just write music all day.
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And I kind of like set up a nine to five for myself where I just
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work on something that day. So I'm just going to start for a
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while. It was like, oh what, what band
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am I going to sing for? Like what band?
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And now I'm just like, I'm working on something all day.
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I don't care what it is. It could be terrible, but I'm
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just like writing so. Start a terrible band with you.
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Cool, we could start a It's cooler to do a terrible one.
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What kind of terrible you? Your eyes lit up.
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Yeah, just kind of terribly bad music.
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I don't know, man. What's something that's like
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really fucking bad, but like, not actually bad, just like it.
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We could do some like crazy grind thing.
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Yeah, that's, but that's kind of good.
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Yeah, but that's like good. Bad is like the best version of
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good. It's stuff that's too good is
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like kind of wack. I feel like that's your approach
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to writing. Whenever I listen to Knock
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Loose, that is some stuff must have started as a joke.
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It's the same with my sugar. I don't think things make it.
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I think we've said this on record.
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I don't think things make it onto AKL record unless we laugh
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when we write it. Yes.
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I'm I desperately want to sit down with any of my sugar and
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ask him the same thing because there's no way, no.
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No, I disagree. I disagree.
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I think for them, for them, it's, it is exactly what you
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think it is. I don't think that they smile.
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No, you there's no way they didn't go one of them and then
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they didn't just go. What if we did that for 8
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minutes? I'm saying that a normal person
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would. I'm saying they're going no.
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I think there must be an element of humor in that.
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There must be something that finds it funny.
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It might disappoint me. No, because you have you seen
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the video for? The studio sessions that I've
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seen them, the studio vlogs that I've seen, they're like.
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Have you seen the video for I think it's the video for It's
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even new new Millennium Cyanide Christ or it's rational gaze.
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The video is just on a tour bus with.
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That video is hilarious, which is also like, that's like the
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outlier of their whole career. Have you noticed that I listen?
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To any funny thing. I listen to so much much sugar
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today. It's so funny that we're
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talking. About I listen to my sugar every
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day of my life, almost. Same.
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Do I absolutely every single. Almost same.
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What did you listen to today? I listen to so much.
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I listen to nothing all the way through.
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Which one? Oh, the the good one.
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But yeah, but I've I have changed my opinion on this.
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OK, so. I've listened to both
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back-to-back multiple times and I want because one of the first
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things I I got your initial opinion at one point was that
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the remaster remixed whatever was inferior, right?
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It's an inferior like. My original.
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You which is what your original take and my take is that the
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original is the best and I listened I I believed different
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for a while. So we've swamped.
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Yeah, I believed it different for a while, but I don't think
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the drums sound nearly as good on the remaster.
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I think they sound like programmed.
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Are they programmed? Drums, I think they might be.
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I think they have to because. The the ghost notes are gone.
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And that totally takes it away. In fact, I changed my mind back.
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I'm with you. You know, I'm, you know, and
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like the guitar tone could be a little better maybe, but it's
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like. It's still.
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It's dirty and it's disgusting. So yeah, I was saying that gang.
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Gang, gang. Yeah, exactly.
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Dude. That's that's not true.
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Dana, Dana, Dana, Dana, we could just do.
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A whole 2 hours. With me, I will do it.
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Don't fuck with me, OK? I will do it.
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You did. You did nothing.
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I did nothing. And then I compared it to the
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immutable remaster just came out.
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Listen to it. Yeah.
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The remastering that like two years after it came out, I.
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Wonder if they don't like the way that it.
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Sounds probably nerd people. I think they don't like the way
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that it sounds and that record. I think, I mean, miss Sugar fans
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obviously love it, but I think that there's some die hard Miss
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Sugar fans that don't like it. I think that it's an amazing, I
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love it. It's amazing.
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I I didn't even like the snare drum at the beginning and now I
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do. It's the same as Saint Anger,
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bro. Yeah.
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I mean, I did a did a good 20 minutes on Saint Anger
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yesterday. I'll do that again.
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I don't care. OK, let's talk about that.
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No, no, no, no. Quick.
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We can't. We can't.
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I put a pin in that because we could come back.
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OK Immutable, yes. Like the crazy thing about my
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Sugar. I was saying this in the car the
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other day because I just listened to my Sugar all day and
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I'm just like every day. I'm as amazed as the first time
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I ever heard them. Literally they're the only band
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with that many albums that I like.
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Every single album. They're my second favorite band
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now. Who's number one?
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You know this? Wait, is it classic?
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Is it classic band? Yes.
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The Metallica, yes. Yeah, we know this.
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OK, we need. We need gonna.
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Be good. Yeah, it's.
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Gonna be good. It's literally that's what I'm
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saying. Which is why I'm saying a band
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started between the two of us would probably be crazy.
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What if we did like and justice for all?
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A room of our it exists Who? Meshuga did it.
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Contradictions. Yeah, I haven't done it since
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1984. Yeah, so you just want to RIP
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Contradictions collapse. Oh, yeah, OK.
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No one's done it, OK, except for them.
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And that's always my If people say they don't like my sugar and
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they like Metallica, I'm like, listen to this album.
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It's like you gave Swedish people.
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It's like you get made Metallica Swedish and go to the acid.
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Yeah, it's like on hardware they say penis music.
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It's like penis music. And just As for all, Yeah.
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Yeah, perfect. It's fucking awesome.
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I just fuck. But like My Sugar, not only
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every single album, I like, like actively like put it on front to
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back. Love it.
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I'm totally with you. But they put out like some of my
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favorite songs recently. I mean, I think that there's an
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argument that Co loss is their best record.
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It's my favorite mix. It's fucking great.
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It's unbelievable. You know, I had a limited vinyl
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version of that really, which a friend of mine gave me when it
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came out, like a double gatefold picture disc.
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Like worth shit loads of money. I didn't even know it was worth
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shit loads of money. I came home one day and my dog
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at the time had managed to find it just that.
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It was almost like she just picked that out of my vinyl
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collection. I just went, he likes this one,
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pulled it out, pulled both fucking vinyl out and scratched
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them because they like the way she liked the way it sounded.
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That's completely fucked. That's like, yeah, it's like
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almost worth death, I think. But my my dog was literally
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fucking with my sugar. Like yeah, must have enjoyed the
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way it sounded. Yeah.
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Compared to actually, yeah, you view it like that.
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I agree. But I I think Born in Dissonance
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from I don't even know what fucking album is on.
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That's on violent sleep. Yeah, Violent Sleep is my
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favorite Meshuga song, and that's like 30 years into that,
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you know? What's awesome, they just have a
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Born in dissonance is now an archetype of song that they just
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have now. Yeah 'cause there's like 3 songs
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on the newest Meshuga record Immutable that are literally
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like. Gong gong, gong, gong, gong,
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gong gong. And it's just like that tempo,
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that key, everything. It's fucking awesome.
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And then on Immutable, there's one track that real near the end
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of Immutable, which is almost like different for them.
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I think it's called like the faultless or something like
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that. Yeah, I know what you're talking
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about. And it has the little choke,
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yeah, but like, kind of cool. Yeah, I was just like, that's
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one of my fucking favourites. Yeah, Phantoms and God Sees in
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Mirrors, I think it's called, are like two of the most
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ridiculous sugar songs I've ever heard in my life.
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And they keep doing it. I don't know how they keep doing
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it. I they just did that.
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They just played. We got back from this Europe
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tour that we just did. And the day we got back, they
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hit Chicago with Candle Corpse and I was like, God, that's a
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perfect show. And I almost flew into Chicago
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just to see. They're playing Atlanta next
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Friday and I'm like 4 hours. Do I just go?
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I think that they're at the age where you need to just go.
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But I have seen them more than any other band I've ever seen in
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my life. I've seen them a decent amount
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but every single time I go Oh my God.
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Yeah, and then live mix now. It's just now the Meshuga
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podcast by fucking favorite. We'll we'll do it for like 2
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more minutes. OK, they're live mix now.
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The guitars are so dry and tight it's the craziest thing ever.
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Like the noise gates are fucking insane.
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I'll talk to sound guys about it.
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I know some sound guys that love their mix and some sound guys
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that don't. I don't understand how anyone
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couldn't like it. I've never heard anything like
12:05
it. It's like, look, not clean
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obviously because it's fucking distorted, but like the cleanest
12:13
heavy guitar I've ever heard. I hate seeing hearing like, you
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know, everyone's like their guitars sound like freight
12:21
trains, you know, like dude, but like their guitars like actually
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sound. Like freight?
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Trains like that because it's all like mechanical repeating
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riffs and it's like they, their guitar tones are just about like
12:36
texture, you know? It's like it's about the actual
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picking and all that. This is all nerdy.
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Fucking no. I love it, but it's awesome.
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This is I like. I like the contrast we made.
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We played two shows with them. I don't know how the fuck we got
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that. That's crazy.
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Fucking sick. And like, I asked Thomas if you
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wanted to come on the podcast and he like, immediately gave me
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this whole conversation about how, like, he's got nerve damage
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and his legs and it gives him anxiety before he plays and all
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this stuff and then goes, and that's why I don't want to do a
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podcast. I say, are you kidding?
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That's the best podcast in the world.
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You are my favorite drummer. And I think you are infallible.
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And you have just showed me you're a human being.
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I mean, he probably just doesn't want to do your podcast.
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He then watched our set. Because let me tell you what he
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did. He has nerve damage and he's
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more nervous than he's ever been live.
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And then they just fucked around and put bleed back in.
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I know it's fucking crazy unless he's unless he's back, I think
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maybe as well. Like that's so like old and
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disconnected that he was like, how many times must you get
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asked to just go on a podcast? And I would just fucking say no,
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he doesn't know. It's fucking good, isn't I'm a
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mega sweater. Yeah, but I mean, you should
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know you're a good drummer because you're a great drummer.
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He didn't. Thank you mate.
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He didn't right? Because he didn't watch us and
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then the first night and we did three shows and the first night
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it was 2 shows in the festival. The first night he didn't watch
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us because they were obviously going to play.
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And then the second night, first world, at the end of first
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world, I do like a little drum solo thing, right?
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And it was the right at the end of the set and his ears must
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have pricked up because he came out and started watching.
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And then the festival set. He watched us for the whole
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thing, which is fucking awesome. That's Dove changed my life.
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It was fucking sick. I saw him in the last bit of my
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sugar. I'm sorry.
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I saw that 25th anniversary in at the Roundhouse and they
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played a bunch of contradictions collapse and I was just like,
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I've never seen it. They played.
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I didn't even know that that that that was even in the.
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Cards cadaverous mastication and they played someone other song
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and a bunch off. It's a good band, everybody
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listen to it. Listen to me, sugar, because you
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definitely already are. Yeah, OK.
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Next. Yeah, What's going on?
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No. What do we do today?
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We've it's late. We've had a little day.
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Dude, I've had close to a perfect day today.
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Really off for me. OK so AMI woke up and did my
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workout and my morning walk run. Whoa, whoa, whoa, what's the
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workout? It's nothing crazy, it's just
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jail workout. So it's just like 200 push ups,
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200 sit ups. That's crazy.
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I do like 50 burpees plank for like 3 or 4 minutes.
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I mean, that's pretty crazy, Yeah.
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I mean. It's fine.
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It's not. I don't.
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Wait, what are you doing for pulling?
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You doing pull ups? Yeah.
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How many pull ups? Dude, I mean oh oh am I doing
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pull ups in my routine? Oh no, I could probably do 3.
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Yeah, let me tell you this though.
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I would never, I would never. I work out for my like mental
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and everything. I would never ever call myself
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a. As strong it lives, it lives in
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you. If you've been doing that,
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that's that's that's the gateway drug.
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That's weed. You're doing weed right now and
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I'm going to get you on crack. OK, but I just will say not not
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being that guy, but like you want to get some pulling in
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those workouts, 200 push ups a day without working out the
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opposite muscles. One day your shoulders are just
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going to go. That's a great, that's a great
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point. That's a great point.
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Show me the way. All right.
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Done. Sick.
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Anyway, did you work? Out and then I start every day
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with a five mile walk. You're like fucking ice, man.
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Get the fucking ice bucket in here, Madison, can we get that?
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The bucket of ice. All right.
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This is sick, no good for you, go fuck.
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That and then I started the last year I started running some of
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it, but just to see if I could. So I run half of it now.
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So I run 2 1/2 miles and then. Walk 2 1/2 Did you do this in
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Nashville or you did this at home?
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I did this at home. OK.
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And then what? Time do you wake up at Go on,
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give me the. I wake up.
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I wake up when my wonderful partner Kelsey wakes up.
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And so that is usually around 8:00.
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And then I got back, showered, did all that, and then went to a
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doctor's appointment where we went over some blood work where
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they told me that everything in my life is completely normal and
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I'm completely healthy, which is.
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Sick, right? Was that a scare?
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No, not at all. But I was just like, you know,
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it's just a normal checkup. We got some blood work done.
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I had blood clots that I, I do slash had blood clots at one
17:28
point in my life. So what point that I will, we'll
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go back to that. Demonetize me baby, come back to
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that. We'll, we'll, we'll come back.
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Producer Madison, can you please remind me later on the blood
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clot chat? That is a good story.
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Cool. And then I drove down to
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Nashville and I got a wonderful dinner at Bourbon Steak.
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Which I was not invited to. Cahill, you were not invited and
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it was amazing and then I went straight to we both just saw
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Poppy and house protection. Remind who'd you get dinner
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with. Cahill from Pure Noise Records.
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OK, I know him. He knows me.
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Yes. And no one's introduced us.
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Really. That is insanely.
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Seeing him, I think maybe I've like 2 seconds.
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Well, now that you're both living in Nashville, just has to
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have. 2 seconds at a festival maybe?
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We've got like an intro and we've worked together obviously
18:24
when we do the downbeat collabs and stuff, but every time I see
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him, I don't know if he has this or it's just maybe I'm very
18:30
awkward at shows. Anyway, sure.
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I'm like, I know that guy, but I don't know if it's it's.
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Probably a mutual thing. I think you're one step away
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from being best friends. Probably.
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He's a chill ass guy. Yeah, everyone says that.
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He's awesome, but I had a wonderful dinner with him and
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then we just saw, we both saw together, we saw House
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Protection and Poppy at Brooklyn.
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Bowl. Yeah, you were in the IPI did
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just slumming it. You were.
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You know what happened when I got home?
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Pissed me, pissed me the fuck off.
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What happened? I I don't moan, right.
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It's only ever happened once someone's come on the podcast
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and then they haven't got me VIP for the show.
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And it was Andy Hurley and I just turned around and I went
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home. Yeah, come on.
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But like, love him. But come on.
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It was a festival. Sure.
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I'm not doing that. This is tongue in cheek.
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I'm very love my life and then today obviously, which, and it's
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fine. It's absolutely.
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Guy loves his life. Absolutely fine.
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It's absolutely fine, but it's absolutely fine.
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I didn't care. I don't care that I didn't have
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the IP. Yeah, I didn't care except for
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the fact I couldn't fucking hang out with any of you because
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everyone was in the other bit, which was fine.
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The show was great. We had we were stood great.
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It was yes. I don't mind it got home.
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This is why I was like, This is why I would prefer to get VIP.
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Sure got home. Yeah, Someone's videoed me from
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afar and just put it on their Instagram and tag me and it's
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like, do you? Think that that didn't happen
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to. Me, Me fighting.
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I hate. Do you like that?
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No. Yeah it sucks I want to talk to
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you guys about making your guitar sound good.
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I know what you're thinking you're a drummer, you can't play
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guitar. Well guess what very close in
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Ball. I watched from Gen. pop the
21:23
whole time and. Just as you chose not to stand
21:26
with. Us.
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Well, well. Here's the deal.
21:28
Here's what happened so Logan Beaver, who is doing front of
21:31
house for yes, I'm Poppy all the time, right, unreal amazing.
21:36
I believe he was I believe Matt Diarquez is usually doing Poppy
21:40
and but Logan was just. As a team, yeah.
21:44
Awesome. But he was like, hey, if you
21:47
want to watch from front of house, like just let me know.
21:50
I'll, you know, just walk in. And I found an open spot in
21:56
Genpop because I didn't see you guys.
21:58
Were you guys in the same spot that you were before?
22:00
Yeah. OK.
22:01
Well, we moved up a little bit. OK, well, I was just sitting
22:04
like on AI was excuse me, I was I was standing on like the
22:08
small. Runway.
22:11
Runway down and I was like this is fine and then I noticed that
22:15
it was right next to front of house.
22:16
So there are plenty of places in that venue where you can see
22:21
fine. Yeah, it was fine.
22:22
Yeah. Like, and I'm only I'm joking
22:25
because I just wanted to roast Eric for it because I'm sure I
22:28
think Poppy had 70 people on the guest list.
22:30
Like, I'm sure they just didn't get passes.
22:32
And I'll happily go. I'll buy a ticket to a show if
22:34
it's if it's sugar, I'm buying a ticket.
22:36
I'm not. Shout out buying tickets to
22:38
show. I'm not getting like, I'm not
22:39
trying to get in and get the VIP.
22:41
However, go home, someone fucking film me.
22:44
Yeah, someone filmed. Someone tagged me in a video of
22:49
just my bald head. I wanted the.
22:51
Same fucking guy. Pull it up.
22:53
No, I bet you it's the same person.
22:57
Maybe. Goddess, don't do that.
23:00
Don't. I'm not.
23:02
Madison thought of shouting. Yeah, like a fucking dog.
23:05
Don't fucking do that. No, don't do it.
23:08
It's horrible. It makes me not want to go,
23:10
Yeah, And I'm not just saying like, oh, I'm so fucking famous.
23:12
People want videos of me. It's like, no, it's just
23:14
horrible. Did he did the person say
23:16
anything or are they just like, look, it's Craig?
23:19
It was just it was a video of Poppy and then it panned to me
23:23
and then it tagged me and I don't know if the person was
23:26
like making wanted it to seem like they were at the show with
23:31
me or. I mean, I think people just like
23:35
seeing. I think people come.
23:36
Up and say hi then. Yeah, I mean, I think people
23:39
enjoy seeing other artists at shows for sure.
23:45
So I don't think that it's entirely like a negative thing.
23:47
Like if if I saw, you know, if I saw a person who isn't a genre
23:53
of a specific thing at another show, I'd be like, oh, it's
23:57
cool. Would you take a fucking photo
23:58
or a video? That literally never.
24:01
Yeah, exactly. And I'm sort of, I have PTSD.
24:04
If you were, if you were listening to this, watching this
24:06
and you're hopefully you're watching it because I get paid
24:08
more. If you're watching this, you're
24:10
thinking this guy, what a fucking loser.
24:13
Get over yourself. I am burnt from a time that I
24:15
went to go see spirit box yes and I was in a bar next door
24:18
before it and a couple of people came up and said hello or
24:23
whatever and got photo or just said hello, love the podcast or
24:26
whatever, which I fucking love like who doesn't love someone
24:28
coming up and go? I love your band or whatever.
24:30
It's like fucking amazing yeah, please do that.
24:32
Yeah And then so I have a discord for the downbeat, The
24:35
downbeat discord. Join it and someone put a photo
24:41
that their friend had sent them in the chat in the discord and
24:45
it was just a photo of me sat at a table on my own looking like
24:49
no one looks good sat on a table on their own.
24:51
Put that in the thing and everyone in the discord was like
24:54
you should tell your friend it's not cool to take unsolicited
24:58
photos of people. So the guy like this is like a
25:00
live thing happening. The guy tells his friend.
25:03
Like why didn't you just go up and say hello?
25:05
And the guy's reply was, I already saw people getting
25:10
turned away, so I didn't want to be that guy.
25:13
So they're now on Discord. There's this story.
25:16
That I'm turning people away. So now I'm just terrified.
25:20
Don't perceive me. Yeah.
25:22
I need. To have you ever turned someone
25:24
away? Fuck.
25:25
No. Imagine that you imagine like
25:28
like, hey man, your band is really good.
25:30
Just wanted to say hi. And it's just like, hey, I'm not
25:32
accepting. Accepting interactions, not
25:36
accepting praise right now. Yeah, schedule it in maybe a
25:39
different time I. Fucking love it, yeah, but just
25:42
don't. You would love.
25:43
It I mean, there's obviously. Brush your teeth as well as.
25:46
Yeah, sure. I mean, there's a time and place
25:47
there's sometimes where you can catch me on a, you know, a bad
25:51
vibe, right? Where should people will not
25:54
interact with Isaac Cahill? I don't want to tell people that
25:57
because I because I truly believe.
25:59
Look down the camera time, I tell them when not to fuck.
26:02
With you. No, no, no, I I truly believe
26:05
that. Still looking at the camera.
26:07
I love you. OK, you know what's crazy?
26:09
You know what's crazy? This is infinitely worse than
26:12
any sort of fan interaction that can happen.
26:14
Because I truly believe. I don't care if you're catching
26:16
me walking me out to the bus or if you just see me in a crowd.
26:20
If you want to come say hey, you know, take a quick picture, you
26:23
know, short interaction, whatever.
26:25
I am always totally fine with that.
26:27
I love my fans. I love KL fans.
26:30
I love you know, and also like, you know, I've still am going to
26:36
shows all the time in my home city by myself.
26:39
Like I literally like I'm very much a fan of the music myself.
26:43
So it's like there is no difference between me and then
26:46
the person coming up to me very much.
26:47
I'm try to always be extremely level headed.
26:50
You know what's more annoying than any sort of interaction
26:54
like that is getting off stage to a packed green room.
27:01
Oh, yeah, horrific. Infinitely worse.
27:03
Yeah. Especially like, people you
27:04
don't really know it. I don't do it.
27:08
Like, I don't really got you. I don't do it even when it's my
27:12
best friends playing. Like I kind of just don't hang
27:16
out in their green room because I know what it feels like and I
27:19
just don't want to be like the lemon.
27:21
Yeah, and also I know that somebody watching this has
27:25
definitely been in my green room after I play and.
27:28
Name them, name them I. Don't know, there's probably a
27:31
million of them and that's fine. I'm not begrudging you, but I
27:38
but what I am saying begrudge what I am saying is that like
27:41
someone that's talking shit about like, oh, don't you get so
27:45
annoyed when fans come say hi? It's like the only time where I
27:49
could be annoyed about that or being annoyed about an
27:53
interaction like that is is right.
27:55
It's not. It could be fan could not be.
27:57
It's right after I play a show like I like, I step off stage,
28:02
but other than that, come, come talk to me.
28:05
I got 2. I think I've got 2 exceptions.
28:08
One of them is like, if I'm with my girlfriend, fuck, I don't
28:14
know. I was going to say if I'm with
28:16
my girlfriend, like I'll do this.
28:17
I'd. Probably.
28:18
I'd probably make a bit out of it and try to like introduce
28:20
them to my girlfriend. I do have you met?
28:23
I do do that all the time. In fact, I'll set I'll I'll make
28:27
this one second. So the only thing I will ever do
28:30
is I won't say and I'll say this to you in case you do meet me.
28:35
I feel so fucking arrogant in having this conversation.
28:38
Why the fuck does anyone want to hang out with us?
28:40
But like, I'm never going to say, do you want a photo?
28:44
In case you say no, it would crush me.
28:49
Oh, yeah. Oh, I love you, band.
28:51
Love the podcast. Oh, you want a photo?
28:52
Nah, no, but I'm going home. I'm going to fucking kill
28:56
myself. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever.
29:00
I don't think I've ever wait. I don't even think I've excuse
29:04
me ever since I post post high school I don't think I've ever
29:11
asked someone for a photo. No, but it's because you order
29:14
someone now post high school we. Sure, but like, I've seen, I've
29:18
seen like, like Corn's one of my favorite bands and I've seen
29:20
members of Corn and I didn't ask them for a photo, you know,
29:23
yeah, maybe I'm missing out on some dope flicks.
29:28
No, no, because they would be like, they would definitely be
29:32
like, isn't that the guy from not least maybe?
29:34
That's the new thing though, right?
29:36
Maybe that's the new thing though.
29:38
Maybe the new thing is like already being pretty successful
29:41
and then getting photos with like peers of a similar level.
29:46
Yeah, but the but people you don't know.
29:48
OK, I am not convinced that corn would be aware of who I am. 100%
29:53
no way. Absolutely.
29:56
Bullshit. No, no way.
29:57
They always. They love heavy music, they love
30:00
a down chain. Do they?
30:01
I don't even think they do. Really do fucking what's his
30:04
name? Monkey Head?
30:06
One of those. You've just said one of them.
30:09
One of them, though, Is it Ray? Ray ghosted me.
30:12
Ray lives in Nashville. The drummer really ghosted me
30:14
for the podcast. Damn.
30:15
We follow each other as well, so I know that's not in the.
30:17
Have you? Ever like DM each other or
30:19
anything? Well I DM D him saying you want
30:21
to come on the podcast and live in Nashville now.
30:23
Here's the thing though, you plant that seed, someday could
30:26
come back around. It fucking wants to and the
30:29
second one. And this is not like if I'm with
30:32
my girlfriend, this is not like I'm saying this annoys me,
30:35
right? But when there's like when I did
30:39
the live podcast tour, right, Madison came on it and obviously
30:44
I do. I'm hanging out by merch at the
30:46
end and it's quite a lot of people who want a photo.
30:49
All I'm going to ask is don't ask her to take the photo.
30:56
And it's not because I, me or her is annoyed about it, but it
31:00
ended up she just, she was just a photographer.
31:03
She was just stood there and I felt bad for her and I was like,
31:06
thoughts on that? Do you feel offended?
31:08
Do do you feel offended by taking photos?
31:10
I know of your partner. It doesn't bother me, it just
31:13
was like exhausting because it's like a whole line of people.
31:16
Yeah, there, There it is. It follows her.
31:18
No, there it is. It follows her.
31:19
No, no. Well here's the thing.
31:21
If it turns into like a a photo meet and greet.
31:24
Yeah, that's what. That's different.
31:25
You know, I think there's a difference between like, hey,
31:28
can you just, you know, and like, that's probably fine.
31:31
But if it's like oh I I hear she's the photo girl.
31:35
Which is literally what it. I hear you're taking photos.
31:38
And and you were fine. And I I just felt bad the whole
31:41
time. The whole time I'm like trying
31:42
to take photos and smile. I'm like, I feel so fucking bad
31:45
for her because she's just fucking especially when it's
31:47
just like, oh, can you take another one?
31:49
Because they didn't like it. It's like, I'm sorry, that's I'm
31:51
drawing the line there. Yeah, I am I coming across bad,
31:54
Simon, If I come across bad, just cut all the bits where I
31:57
come across bad, but leave this bit in so people know that I did
32:01
come across bad and it's been edited out.
32:04
And even if you haven't edited anything out, leave all this in.
32:07
Simon. Even if you haven't edited it
32:09
out, leave this bit in so they think, yeah, there's stuff been
32:13
edited out where I've been. Bad, just in case.
32:16
Hey, welcome to the podcast. Yeah, OK, Yeah, we watch.
32:20
We watch Poppy. You know what?
32:21
I, I I only know the singles from Poppy, pretty much.
32:25
I was pretty blown away at the wacky stuff.
32:29
It's wacky. She's awesome, man.
32:30
Like, legitimately sick. You know what it reminds me of?
32:33
Yeah, Maximum the hormone. Yeah, I mean, it's very of that
32:37
ilk. Like a lot of that, a lot of her
32:40
older stuff especially is is super kinda kinda just quirky
32:45
and random. Yeah.
32:47
Crazy juxtaposition. And that's why that's what drew
32:50
me to her music at first. Was it was because I just like
32:54
crazy shit. So and I was I was into her as
32:58
an artist. Like I liked the Internet
32:59
personality. I loved the the YouTube
33:02
personality stuff and I she just had a cool vibe and I respected
33:06
the art. But then yeah, the the music was
33:08
awesome. It was super out there A.
33:10
Lot of odd time signatures, yeah.
33:12
A lot of like, like a main hook being there was one in there
33:15
that was like, the main hook was a bar of seven and then a bar of
33:20
eight. The way it resolved was like,
33:21
technically like a bar of 15. And I'm like, this is like a pop
33:25
song. Yeah, in 15.
33:27
Yeah, she, she takes it there, you know, she, she absolutely
33:31
like pushes the boundaries like that.
33:32
The first song that I heard from her was this concrete song.
33:35
The song is called Concrete and it literally is like starts with
33:39
this crazy metal like dueling guitar harmony, like doing
33:49
guitar harmony part and then goes into like a an anime theme
33:53
song. Yeah, straight into the most
33:56
ridiculous breakdown ever. The really slow break, yes,
33:59
Yeah, she plays straight. Into like a queen part Yeah,
34:03
straight. Maximum the hormone.
34:04
Yeah, exactly. And that's what that's what drew
34:07
me to her music at first. But like I said, now she like
34:11
she has a new record that's like way more cohesive and she's
34:13
doing way more. It's still got like, it's got
34:17
like new wave stuff on it. It's got metal core stuff on it.
34:19
It's got like Deftones. It's got a bunch of different
34:22
stuff. But the show was awesome.
34:23
She crushed it sounded amazing. Well, we might as well talk
34:26
about your band and it's a perfect segue.
34:28
Cool. How did Suffocate come about?
34:30
Suffocate came about because I think she messaged Brian and was
34:35
like, do you want to write music and so.
34:38
It was written with her in mind. Yes, absolutely.
34:42
I, I think what would happen was the record was done or pretty
34:45
much done, and then she ended up hitting us up and was just like,
34:49
hey, do you want to write music? And we were like, hey, do you
34:52
want to be on the record maybe? Or what?
34:55
Like maybe hit up to write music for Poppy or.
34:58
No, no, no. She just was.
34:59
I think she was just interested in collaborating in some way.
35:02
OK, This was this was damaged between her and Brian, so I'm
35:06
not exactly sure how it was, but either way, Brian called me
35:11
immediately and was just like, hey, Poppy wants to do a track,
35:14
she's down to be on the record. We got to write the song and he
35:17
came over the next day and we wrote the song in like 40
35:21
minutes with her in mind. 40 minute banger.
35:24
It's very quick, yeah. All the best Stray songs were
35:26
like 40 minutes. The best songs are usually that
35:28
way. Because it's just the right
35:30
answer. You just go BOM, BOM, BOM, BOM,
35:32
BOM. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
35:34
That just makes sense. But it was cool because it gave
35:36
us the IT gave us the opportunity to do some cool,
35:40
like sassy stuff that we wouldn't have done.
35:42
I mean, we did the reggaeton breakdown, which obviously was a
35:44
joke. It actually wasn't.
35:46
I don't mean a. Joke, but I mean you definitely
35:48
laughed. Yeah.
35:49
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, what's what made us
35:51
laugh more than the reggaeton breakdown was the transition
35:54
into the breakdown afterwards, which is like, hilariously, it's
35:58
just like an insanely Moshi breakdown to come back to that.
36:01
And then like the kind of pants like, like we probably wouldn't
36:06
have done that without like Poppy on Poppy on the beat, you
36:12
know, Poppy on the beat. A little beat box on you, you
36:15
know. Yeah.
36:17
Here is some beat box bars. Just don't make beat box against
36:20
my. You, you, you look like you've
36:22
got a good beat. Box on you.
36:23
No, I do. I'm a good voice memo guy.
36:29
I'm really good at those. I can get a good eight O 8
36:31
going. What's happening right now?
36:38
What do we do? That was like one of those old
36:39
school like distorted ones. That clips everything and like
36:43
the the deathcore. Almost.
36:45
God, have you heard the new? I don't even know if they've
36:47
announced it. Have you heard the new side code
36:49
frame record? That I heard the two song that
36:52
they put out, they haven't heard anything sense.
36:54
Have I just leaked there's a side code?
36:55
Thank you anyway. That's exactly what happened.
36:59
Anyway, whoops, ask to get it because the first track has like
37:06
the most ridiculous, like Vader ingested kick drum.
37:12
Yeah, and then there's an 808, which like clips the Master so
37:16
much that the whole track gets quiet in the most heavy way
37:20
possible. Yeah, that's the good shit,
37:21
though. Yeah, it's sick.
37:22
That's how we kind of approached the mix of you won't go because
37:27
you won't go sounds like ridiculous and crazy.
37:30
Drew Faulkton. Folk did.
37:33
And we want it to be ridiculous. We want it to clip, we want it
37:38
to do all these crazy things because my favorite records,
37:41
like the mixes, my favorite like hard hitting mixes are ones that
37:45
some people would say are like really bad.
37:47
But it's just like we wanted to chase that feeling of just like,
37:50
Oh my God, it is so compressed and so insane that it's.
37:54
Just bad but good though. Yeah, which is my favorite
37:57
thing. Yeah, that's just the third time
38:00
that we mentioned it so far. Bad.
38:01
Good. It's the best.
38:02
There is a thin line though, because a lot of people just
38:05
have bad, bad. But the intentions there, you
38:07
know, when there's like a real so another example of bad but
38:10
good. But I don't think it really
38:12
works the way people are bringing it back.
38:14
It's like the Poison the Whale mix, when it's like the kick
38:17
drum is really triggered and not really edited.
38:19
Yeah, And the snare is really naturally mixed and at the time,
38:24
bad but good. Poison Whale Record records
38:27
sound incredible. And then some bands are bringing
38:29
it back now and I'm like, I wish you'd just made that sound a
38:33
little bit better. Sure what?
38:35
What would you change about that?
38:37
Make. It's always the snare.
38:40
Yeah, it's always just the snare.
38:41
I can handle like a really. Yeah, another example of bad but
38:45
good is mix wise along the same line as the poison well one, but
38:51
with respectfully and infinitely bad drama is and that's I'm
38:56
going to say who it is and then you're going to go, oh, OK, I
38:59
wasn't dogging on Chris or anything, but the link like the
39:05
snare drum sound on the link by Gochira is so natural.
39:08
That's an unbelievable. Mix.
39:10
It's so. And I think a lot of that that
39:14
mix and goes here in general, the reason why that mix so good
39:17
is because the guitar isn't overly distorted.
39:20
It's like just crunchy. It's got that Morbid Angel
39:22
crunch. Yeah, it's like you've not.
39:28
You've had a bit of that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:30
Don't we? I mean nachos main inspos are
39:33
meshuga and Gojira probably. We still get Rage Against a
39:36
Machine all the time and it's like my brother in Christ, you
39:38
know how many sugar breakdowns I've?
39:40
Ripped off. So here's the problem.
39:41
Here's the problem. Unfortunately, Stray at one
39:45
point in their career did do rage.
39:51
Yeah. And you can't leave that
39:54
stereotype now. Because he rap, because he raps
39:58
still. So because he raps still, people
40:02
are going to be like, yeah, it still sounds.
40:03
He raps. It still sounds.
40:05
Like, yeah, in my head I'm like, it hasn't done that.
40:07
So it doesn't matter that he doesn't go like done.
40:09
Not, not, not, not, not. No, no, no.
40:12
As long as he's going. I don't know if.
40:13
Kebab, but kebab. People are going to be like rage
40:17
politics bridge. Yeah, I guess you're right.
40:20
You're right. Absolutely fucking right.
40:21
Yeah. So unfortunately you kind of
40:23
painted yourself in there whereas as I didn't.
40:25
I joined after that and I meticulously turned it into a
40:28
Meshuggar and go. You're talking about man, you,
40:30
you did this speaking down the thing, Andrew, you did this.
40:33
But the new straight anyone that anyone that knows that's a
40:40
student of the game, yeah, can listen to a street record and
40:43
know that it's fucking sugar breakdowns.
40:45
True. That's awesome.
40:46
Some of them are note for note bro.
40:49
As as he should be. Thomas, get on podcast.
40:53
Repurposing. Go on the podcast so I can admit
40:56
that I stole. Some Here's what we stole.
40:58
I bet he would be thrilled. It's not even note for note,
41:01
it's just. I know.
41:02
It goes through, it comes out in my idiot brain and I go, I think
41:06
this is note for note and it ends up it's not.
41:08
So I get the effect and then no one even knows what it is
41:12
anyway. But the thing I got a theory
41:15
about the Gojira mix is because the the link from Master Serious
41:22
and then I believe from Magma onwards they mixed them
41:27
themselves. And there's that middle golden
41:31
era Gojira of the golden Gojira mix wise that everyone really
41:39
wants again, like the Way of All Flesh is in my opinion, the best
41:43
metal mix of all time and long front Savages after that or
41:47
whatever. But those two, I'm fairly sure.
41:49
I'm definitely sure they weren't mixed by the band and then, but
41:53
then you listen to the later ones.
41:55
It's almost like Joe got too good at mixing, whereas like The
42:01
Dirty early ones like that sounded bad, bad, bad, good, and
42:08
then it just got good, good, which is fine, is excellent.
42:10
It's still good, but I still just want a little bit little
42:13
bit bad in there. Yeah, I mean a.
42:15
Little bit worse. I I mean, I, I agree with you
42:17
from from a technical standpoint way of all flesh and was it
42:21
called the fonts of our? Fonts of our.
42:24
Our like as far as like metal mixes go, they're pretty
42:28
unbeatable, but they're also they're pretty clean.
42:30
In my opinion. They're on the cleaner side.
42:32
Whereas I think that there's something be to be really
42:35
enjoyed about the the earlier raw mixes as well, because I I
42:39
really liked the guitar tone that they had on those early
42:43
records, which wasn't overly distorted.
42:45
It was kind of crunchy. But that's what I mean, when
42:47
they came back to mixing themselves, which was Magma, the
42:50
guitar tone didn't come with them.
42:51
Yeah, because they'd learnt too much.
42:53
Yes, too, too good. Yeah, I still love all those.
42:56
And that's another man where I love every single album.
42:59
Yeah, me too. I don't because, I mean, they
43:02
don't. They might have added melody and
43:05
some catchy songs and whatever, but it's like I heard Born for
43:09
one Thing when it dropped and the breakdown.
43:12
Stole that as well. Let me tell you, breakdown at
43:15
the end of that song is fucking ridiculous.
43:17
That's crazy. It is unbelievable.
43:19
And me, me and the rest of the band listen to that.
43:21
And we were just like, damn, man.
43:23
They really still. They're really still doing that
43:26
still. Fucking got it.
43:26
I could do with a new record from them to be honest.
43:29
Yeah, you were talking to you talked to Mario and you were
43:32
telling me. Painted me that little thing
43:34
down there. Let's fucking go shout out Mario
43:36
the goat. Literal goat.
43:38
The actual goat. Literal goat.
43:40
Yeah, did a tour with them. The actual goat guy.
43:44
Yeah, you were telling me. I think he said he mentioned.
43:48
Not loose. Yeah, I mean, you were telling
43:50
me that or maybe I heard this around the way that he was just
43:53
like, Nah, next record we're slamming.
43:55
Yeah, he told me. He told me off.
43:58
He was like, dude, this is like the melodica Next record.
44:01
He told me in Instagram DMS when I was like, hey, man, loved,
44:08
loved it, whatever. And then he was like, he replied
44:11
and he was like, just wait for the next one.
44:12
Yeah, it's back to the old school.
44:13
And I was like, Oh my God. Not only did he tell me that to
44:17
my face, I'm fucking struggling. You know what I love about Mario
44:20
and Gojira? How much they love Meshuggar?
44:23
See, I don't. Know I don't know I don't I know
44:25
the Morbid Angel because it's their whole dude we.
44:27
Talk. We talked to them about it.
44:29
We talked to Mario. He was like our sound, like we
44:32
love Meshuga and we love Morbid Angel, which makes perfect
44:36
sense. Oh, 100.
44:38
Percent and like because Morbid Angel formulas is like goaded.
44:42
Yeah, it's amazing. No Morbid Angel, no Gojira picks
44:47
grade, which then became Metal Core Picks grade.
44:49
Yep, But it's weird. It's kind of weird.
44:51
Morbid Angel doesn't really doesn't really get.
44:55
The back Prince well, Morbid Angel has all these like older
45:00
records that are like properly like fast and flashy, but that's
45:05
not my favorite morbid Angel stuff.
45:07
My favorite Morbid Angel stuff is probably it's probably
45:11
formulas and like anything that sounds like where the slime live
45:15
that's just groove or God of emptiness like the Super like.
45:19
Go, go. See, I I actually, I think I go
45:22
from blessed to the sick all the way I want to say even all the
45:29
way up to gateways. I mean to every single record
45:32
and always a madness is actually like the the fastest 1 is
45:36
actually the one I listen to the least.
45:38
Like I like the chunky Morbid Angel stuff more.
45:40
Yeah, let. Me tell you that artwork is
45:42
awesome. Though which one?
45:43
Always a Madness is like a fucking top five, top five
45:48
artwork. And then you know what?
45:50
They've got some records so bad it's good.
45:54
Artwork wise, yeah, some insane shit.
45:56
Can I ask you what your favorite Almar of all time is?
46:04
That's so tough. Can you tell me yours while I
46:07
think about mine? Are we doing a number one?
46:09
Are we doing your top three? I'm just going to list.
46:11
What if you pick mine? OK, let's do one, one and one in
46:13
case because. I got mine.
46:15
How many you got? I'll just do one.
46:18
I got one right now. Death.
46:19
Spiritual healing. Insane.
46:21
Ed Repka. Unreal.
46:23
Because it's like brutal but also weird and like.
46:28
Every death. Uncomfortable.
46:30
Every death album is crazy. Oh my.
46:32
Death is so fucking awesome. So fucking sick.
46:36
Every death artwork is crazy, and then that one is like the
46:40
same art is the same vibe, but like, just how weird.
46:44
Yeah, just fucking weird and awesome.
46:46
The blue is, well, like a death metal album.
46:48
That's bold. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
46:49
It's like you feel like really pretty colours, but then you
46:53
look at the faces of all the people and you're like, this is
46:55
not right at all. Yeah, yeah, that man is unwell.
46:59
Yeah, that's a great fucking show.
47:01
I am a massive Ed Repka, but I'm also like a massive.
47:07
I feel like all of my anything I say is gonna be like late 80s,
47:12
early 90s. Give me one that you like.
47:14
You just pick one. Doesn't have to be the best.
47:16
It needs to be the best. I love a rise.
47:18
Oh, unbelievable. Wow.
47:20
Yeah, so much. What even is?
47:22
That so much to take in. What's going on there?
47:25
You know what it looks like from afar?
47:27
It's like on base level, if you would just look at it, you would
47:30
think, oh, it's one of those little things you put in an
47:32
aquarium and then you look at it and it's like, well, it's a
47:35
monster castle, I guess. Yeah.
47:38
Thing that's up there. Effigy of the Forgotten
47:40
suffocation that's up there. Wow.
47:43
Yeah, all that dance. So you like stuff with a lot
47:45
going on? Only if it's like painting.
47:51
I like stuff with a lot going. On there it is.
47:53
That was our one interesting. Let me.
47:55
Get this. Out look at that.
47:57
You didn't do this on purpose did you?
47:58
I definitely didn't. Hey, do you want me to do this?
48:02
Hey. Well, this is the downbeat, not
48:06
loose. You won't go before you're
48:07
supposed to. Oh, is it?
48:09
Well, it's sold out, bro. It's sold out on fucking day
48:11
one. But to our This is why I love
48:14
the fact that you were up for doing it, because I love death
48:17
met a lot like like you're talking about with a lot going
48:19
on. Yeah, I've never been in a band
48:21
that's been allowed to do it. So one day it just came to me in
48:25
an extreme fucking like, want to put things I love into things I
48:31
do? And I was like, what if I did a
48:33
collab and I just got to do insane death metal artwork and
48:37
then it like popped and I've done it every single time.
48:39
This is pretty cool. This is like a this is like a
48:42
funny YouTube slam band, but like, awesome.
48:45
Yeah, properly. Awesome.
48:47
Did you have any sign off on that?
48:48
I can't even remember. I think I told you guys the
48:51
plan. Yeah, I saw it and loved it and
48:54
still do. I love that.
48:55
My favorite thing about it is that they're wearing the Oldham
48:57
hoodies. Yeah, which is awesome.
48:59
And the fact it's a Beagle after the story, yeah.
49:02
It's a Beagle. It's really, really cool.
49:03
So yeah, maybe Brian can't even look at this.
49:05
I do, yeah. Maybe it's too triggering.
49:07
Yeah, maybe that's how he remembers it.
49:09
Here's another one I'm going to say.
49:10
And it's, you know, it's essentially it's I've got 2 two
49:13
others, but you give me you give me a couple more.
49:15
I like this album artwork chat. Marius Lewandowski, I think.
49:19
Unreal. Yeah, his.
49:21
Artwork is unbelievable. Yeah, Bell witch Mirror Reaper
49:24
is the one you. Talk about mirror.
49:25
Unreal record. I used to listen to that record
49:28
in the bath from beginning to end and drink a whole bottle of
49:33
red wine. That is truly unhinged behavior.
49:37
And I wouldn't get out the bath until the record had finished.
49:40
Just 140 minute long song, isn't it?
49:42
It's like, yeah, however many minutes.
49:44
I would drink the whole bottle of Red Barn in the bath as well,
49:46
which is insane. Were you?
49:48
Sad. Ohh, totally sad.
49:50
OK yeah. I was like, I was like, OK, were
49:54
you, like, losing it? Yeah.
49:55
Were you in like a sad part of your life where you were just
49:59
like, dude and I loved. It no bro, they're saddest.
50:03
Can I tell you the Naku story of that record or excuse me, listen
50:07
to that? We found it pretty close to when
50:10
we started riding You Won't Go. And our first riding session was
50:14
in Joshua Tree in the desert. And we would ride all day.
50:20
And then at night it finally got like cold enough, cold enough
50:25
for us to like hang out outside in the like in a hot tub or
50:29
whatever. So we would just literally put
50:32
it on a Bluetooth speaker and just count how many shooting
50:36
stars we saw over the course of 40 minutes.
50:38
Said nothing. But like as a group we would
50:40
just. Look, you sound, I guess, with
50:44
the boys. Here's.
50:45
The thing I was not, I was like existential.
50:48
I was like. I was fucking loving it.
50:50
Artwork's sick. I'm a I'm a massive fan.
50:52
There's there's a guy that does did all of the like early to mid
50:58
2000 slam bands and he's a Japanese guy.
51:04
I think his name's Toshi, Toshi Eggenawa.
51:09
I think I might be butchering that he did that.
51:13
Second annotations of an Autopsy album.
51:16
New one. Ohhh yeah, and.
51:18
He did. He did the ingested one with the
51:21
monster, which incredibly sexually violent one.
51:26
Yeah. With like the Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:28
Which is actually what I referenced for that, Yeah.
51:31
I could see that. I was like, I wanted to look
51:32
like that ingested record. And for a modern pick, the candy
51:35
artwork is so good. We we spoke about candy and we
51:40
just on. It's amazing.
51:42
It's amazing. I I message members of Candy all
51:45
the time. We did a tour with them while
51:46
that I met. I message members of Candy and I
51:50
was just like, hey, I don't think you guys even know what
51:52
you did with this. I don't think they know how good
51:56
they are. They don't.
51:57
I don't know any of the guys. But like, I've spoke when we've
52:01
been putting a tour together, especially Europe, where people
52:05
fucking care about us. Thank you.
52:07
And I'm always like, like a candy, like a band like that I
52:11
want. And everyone's always just like,
52:12
no. They just say no to everything.
52:15
I mean, they probably do. I don't even think that they're
52:18
they might not even be a part time band.
52:19
They might just do it when I'm. Why?
52:21
You're so good. I don't know, but let me tell
52:24
you man, those albums rock the. Fucking artwork's insane.
52:28
Yeah, and the artwork's amazing. The artwork's like a shades of
52:30
like old Slayer artwork to me in terms of like looking, looking
52:35
painted. I'm a big fan for things being
52:38
or at least digitally painted. I can't wait to do more of
52:43
those. Now you said that.
52:44
Yeah, I'm a big, big fan of. I just love death metal.
52:47
A lot of work. Huge fan of.
52:49
I just love death metal. I love it.
52:51
Do you want? To talk about death metal.
52:53
What else is on the docket? What's other things?
52:56
What? What do we?
52:56
What do we go to now? There's a perfect segue.
52:59
I have it all planned. Cool.
53:02
What was it like to lose to Gojira at the Grammys?
53:04
Unbelievably awesome. I want to go down the Grammy Rd.
53:07
if that's OK. Yeah, of course.
53:09
Other than the Fitz. We're going to get into the
53:11
Fitz. I want to get into the Isaac
53:13
Hale fit. OK, Yeah, but like obviously was
53:19
that first time at the Grammys? Yeah, my first time at the
53:21
Grammys. First time nominated.
53:23
First time nominated, Yeah. And it's cool because you did
53:26
lose to Gojira, but Gojira used to be the band that was
53:32
nominated and then lost to the legacy band.
53:34
I mean, I, I tweeted it and put on Instagram.
53:36
A win for Gojira is a win for absolutely everybody.
53:39
Oh. Absolutely is because.
53:41
Gojira is the band that we RIP off, the band that you.
53:43
RIP off. That means you're next.
53:45
I mean, I hope so, but if, if if not, totally fine with me.
53:49
Gozier winning was we were all rooting for him.
53:51
We were hoping. It's actually so amazing that
53:55
they won because anyone that gets nominated for, I feel like
54:01
I'm not OK, I'm, I'm not going to speak for anyone, but I feel
54:03
like anyone that gets nominated for a Grammy that's as young as,
54:08
as our band is knows ahead of time that they're not winning.
54:11
It's just part of it. You're not going to win The the
54:13
Grammy board is filled with like older dudes that they're they're
54:17
going to give it to don't. Piss them off.
54:18
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not mad at their choice, you
54:22
know, I'm not mad at their choice.
54:23
Yeah, but. It was loaded.
54:24
What you said was loaded. No, I'm I'm not mad at their
54:26
choice at all. I'm not mad.
54:28
At Oh, I'm not mad at that, but they have a history of it always
54:31
being like, sure, an old band, sure I'm not good.
54:34
But that's that's what I'm saying is like Gojira winning is
54:38
such a that's such a cool landmark.
54:41
You know, that's such a that's a band that's been putting in
54:43
their dues for so long. So getting that recognition,
54:49
that's amazing that there is no more deserving band.
54:51
And like, dude, them playing the the fucking yeah in a song
54:57
that's like heavy. It really like reiterates though
55:01
that France has like fucking 5 bands.
55:03
Yes, France needs more bands Yeah there's a cool thing in
55:07
like French metal core. I would like it's, it's cool to
55:09
the point that it's cool, but some of the French bands get
55:13
annoyed that Gojira aren't bringing out more French bands
55:16
with them because there's this like, Wrench Loyalty where we
55:21
only have so many bands like put us on.
55:23
Yeah, but like in metal core in France, like everyone just
55:28
fucking rides for each other and it's kind of sick.
55:30
That's cool, That's awesome. They just need more.
55:33
We toured with a French beat down band called Head Buster on
55:37
the Deaf Haven Tour. That bands fuck.
55:39
And they were amazing. Did you ever hear the French
55:42
band called Happy Face? No bro, I need to play you happy
55:48
face right now. I don't even know if it's on
55:51
Spotify. Wait till you hear this fucking
55:53
snare drum to the point where I know that I can put this on the
55:56
podcast because I'm sure it's not on Spotify.
55:58
OK, you are going to fuck with this band.
56:01
The album is called La Tigra, but I'm pretty sure it's not.
56:03
I'm excited. I'm excited.
56:05
It's not. I've got to go to YouTube for
56:06
it, which means we can definitely, we can slide a
56:09
little clip in. Look at the.
56:14
Face. How?
56:18
Sick. I don't think I want to listen
56:21
to anymore. I think I want to.
56:24
This is so good that I think I need to save this.
56:28
It's not like my God. It's not even on Spotify.
56:32
Mean the best music isn't I don't know what.
56:41
Happened to them. This is amazing music.
56:48
It's fucking that's awesome. I'm not being serious.
56:51
Oh yeah. Yes, that's amazing.
56:53
I have no idea what happened to them.
56:55
I have no idea if it's like they went on to do different things.
56:59
I loved that fucking redhead. Head Buster would know.
57:03
Oh. 100%. I bet head I might.
57:05
I'm gonna, I'm gonna message them.
57:07
Do it now. Do.
57:08
You think? So it's definitely like fucking
57:10
6:00 AM there because it's like that's bad, bad, good because
57:14
it's like. I'm going to go and say that's
57:16
just good. No, but production wise on
57:19
paper, take that snare as a sample.
57:21
Not good. Do you think that that is a not
57:24
good snare? I mean like technically
57:27
speaking. I mean like as in if you looked
57:30
at the waveform and you compared it to the Black Album by
57:33
Metallica. Like high fidelity wise,
57:36
technically bad. I'm not saying it is bad.
57:38
As in sure. Inferior.
57:41
Sure. No, no, I get.
57:42
Yeah, it's not like a fucking Tommy Lee snare.
57:45
It's not Bob rocks now. Yeah, 1 Bob rocks now, actually.
57:48
Yeah, but like, it's not like a hair metal.
57:53
It's yeah, but I think it's good.
57:56
Oh, it's unbelievable. But on paper, if you are like
57:59
I'm. Excited to listen to it with
58:00
headphones and analyze it. I have it on CD, it's like 1.
58:05
Bought a CD? One of few No because I had it
58:08
back in the day. Burnt it.
58:10
I had it back in the day on CD. You have like the CD.
58:14
Yeah, I have the record. That's insane.
58:17
Yeah, I know. And.
58:18
Where did you get it? At the time when it came out.
58:21
But like, wait, this was like a big band.
58:24
No, but I've been into metal my whole life, so it's like 2005.
58:28
They had a record. Out I literally forgot that you
58:31
are a person who used to live across the ocean.
58:35
What do you mean? Like I was like, it would make
58:38
more sense that a French band would be closer to.
58:40
Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.
58:42
Like I was like in Nashville, they just.
58:44
Had my whole fucking life the happy No, but you know what it
58:49
was actually at the time I worked at a music distributor
58:51
that did like nuclear Blast and and like.
58:55
Prosthetic. And that makes like the smaller
58:57
labels, I think they might have been on prosthetic, I can't
59:00
remember. OK, that would make sense for
59:02
like the video and everything looks.
59:03
Like, and I like put it on. We would do a thing in the
59:05
warehouse. I just worked in the warehouse.
59:06
We would just find a record that looked like it's gonna be
59:08
insane. But it we, we did everyone like
59:11
all the depth metal labels and stuff.
59:12
We find a record that looks like it's gonna be insane.
59:14
It came in and we put it on and it would be sick or not sick.
59:17
And that was when it came in as like a bank would.
59:18
Have That's the best way to find the music.
59:20
The font for the happy face logo is Head Must a must number.
59:25
The font is like graffiti. Yeah, and it.
59:28
Just says happy face. Yeah, I'm there.
59:31
I'm gonna get the lowdown. This is such good press for a
59:34
man that doesn't exist. I know.
59:36
Did we did all the Grammy points?
59:38
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, we didn't.
59:41
But happy face, we started here. I want a happy face to win a
59:44
Grammy. I think they had my vote.
59:47
All then should sound like happy face.
59:49
Yeah, let's do it. You know what happy face kind of
59:51
sounds like now I'm listening to it.
59:52
What early animosity? Yeah, that absolutely checks
59:58
out. Can we do that?
59:59
Yeah, we can. We can.
1:00:01
You know what's crazy? Animosity, Because they're so,
1:00:04
for whatever reason, animosity. Like even in the hardcore scene.
1:00:11
Like the the hardcore hardcore scene gets a pass for being like
1:00:15
fucking awesome. Like all those dudes in like the
1:00:19
like the West Coast hardcore stuff.
1:00:21
Why do you think that is? Do you think it's because the
1:00:23
production is kind of? Shit, no.
1:00:24
I think it's because they were. That's what those dudes grow,
1:00:28
grew up. They were those.
1:00:30
They were playing the shows. The fucking temper changes in
1:00:33
animosity. Like you could probably talk to
1:00:34
Colin Young about animosity. It's funny because like
1:00:38
animosity merge time, not cool. Now an animosity shirt, You're
1:00:43
like damn. Gold foil animosity.
1:00:46
Yeah, gold foil animosity hoodie with the hood.
1:00:49
I'll fuck up gold foil anything man.
1:00:51
I keep saying this to everyone but no one's brought it back
1:00:55
yet. I've been saying it for like
1:00:57
fucking five years. Like who's bringing back a gold
1:00:59
foil hoodie? Just wait.
1:01:02
Is it coming? Just what about the green foil?
1:01:06
That Monster Energy joint you have?
1:01:08
You already got this fucking. Disfiguring the goddess.
1:01:11
Yeah, and the annotations of an autopsy for.
1:01:15
Us all like well shit. Welcome to Slosh City.
1:01:17
Speaking of CDs, we'll get back to the Grammys in a minute.
1:01:20
Yeah. Speaking of CDs, What?
1:01:22
I have a few CDs I kept because I fucking, I sold Adam huge CD.
1:01:27
Yeah, And I just sold it all because I can't be.
1:01:29
I'm moving houses and stuff. I can't be bothered to take
1:01:31
everything with me, but there's a thing in in the UK where it's
1:01:34
just like you scan the barcode, it tells you how much it's
1:01:36
worth. OK.
1:01:37
And like my my most expensive CD that I had tell me, I think I
1:01:41
had two one of them was pretty hate machine when it came out.
1:01:47
Yeah. So like a first press, first
1:01:49
pressing? Sounds crazy to say for ACD but.
1:01:51
Like no, that makes sense. And then number 2 was Welcome to
1:01:54
Slosh City EP. It was like my #2 mostly it was
1:01:58
like 3. £100 that's Auk staple right there. 300 lbs Yeah for
1:02:03
that CD. Because I believe it.
1:02:05
I absolutely believe it. And were those real drums?
1:02:10
They were recorded. The gravity blasts.
1:02:13
I remember the OG drummer, his name was Dan.
1:02:15
The gravity blasts were recorded.
1:02:19
You know it who was recorded with two hands, the gravity
1:02:22
blast, and then they just put their hands over the right
1:02:24
score, right hand over the top. Is it?
1:02:26
Yeah. He couldn't play it.
1:02:27
That's. Who gives a fuck?
1:02:30
I do. No, I don't care.
1:02:32
Really. You don't go.
1:02:33
I mean like. If you can't play it live, you
1:02:36
don't go. I mean, OK, I don't think.
1:02:40
Here's a take. Yeah, there's a drum take.
1:02:42
Hot take. Drum take, I have not seen a
1:02:46
drummer gravity blast where it like actually sounds good.
1:02:52
Despised icon? You ever seen despised icon?
1:02:54
Yes, You're saying it doesn't sound good.
1:02:57
I I'm saying like the record. Yeah, no, gravity blasting will
1:03:05
not sound like it does on the record.
1:03:07
Where? Where did you watch Despise I
1:03:10
come from? I've watched them from first of
1:03:13
all, I've only seen them since they came back.
1:03:15
OK, so so I never. Saw old despised icon I never
1:03:18
saw. What's his name?
1:03:19
Alec. Alex Grind.
1:03:21
Alex Grind? Yeah, that's the second name.
1:03:23
Well, French clear. Another one for the Grammys
1:03:26
there. You go clear.
1:03:27
I mean clearly an insane drummer used to watch his drum videos of
1:03:30
his also. I mean the video of him getting
1:03:33
mad and his one of the best. Drumming.
1:03:37
Talking classic. Just shredding it and getting
1:03:39
mad and just chucking the. Recorded on a fucking Game Boy
1:03:43
Color. Yeah, but I mean, dude, he the
1:03:46
way he plays drums is crazy because he's like all arm.
1:03:49
Yeah, he looks like he's about to die.
1:03:53
We told with them, my old death metal band.
1:03:56
Yeah. And out front his gravity blasts
1:03:58
did sound. I don't know, maybe he's got
1:04:00
worse or whatever, but I I noticed because it's the same
1:04:03
sound right as beneath the Massacre.
1:04:04
French guy. This is the French Meshuga
1:04:06
podcast. The guy the sound Rd. rides the
1:04:12
snare maybe? People just aren't doing that.
1:04:15
I think that's what it is and people.
1:04:16
Aren't doing that enough people. And let me let me elaborate.
1:04:19
I'm not mad. Yeah, sorry I didn't give you
1:04:23
the take. I just cut in.
1:04:24
Go. Yeah, no, no, I'm excuse me,
1:04:26
I've no, that was my take was that they never sound like they
1:04:28
do on the record. And it's true.
1:04:30
So that's I'm not a stickler about that at all.
1:04:33
I don't need it to sound like. Do you draw the line on drum
1:04:36
videos? Because I fucking do a drum
1:04:38
video where it's like 127 velocity.
1:04:41
You know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take it here.
1:04:43
I miss the Natty or Not videos. I miss them all the time.
1:04:48
Thank you. Sometimes I'll go back and watch
1:04:50
them because they're so entertaining.
1:04:52
Thank you so much. However, there's multifaceted
1:04:55
things. I did do another one recently to
1:04:57
smoke that guy. Yeah, the Merlin guy, he's
1:05:01
trying to sue me. He sent me a he sent me an
1:05:04
e-mail saying he's trying to sue me.
1:05:05
Cool. But like, you got caught bro.
1:05:08
You literally got caught. Yes, I, I, I don't believe in
1:05:12
those videos. And and here's the thing, it
1:05:14
used to be just drum videos, and now all guitar videos are.
1:05:17
For and every guitar has a crazy thing.
1:05:19
And, and I don't know, Yeah, I like, yeah.
1:05:21
I mean, to me, just tell people, you know, just tell people it's
1:05:25
fake if it's fake. Yeah, or like.
1:05:26
Because I like some of the fake guitar stuff that people are
1:05:30
doing when it's like dawn dawn. The fucking What's the guy
1:05:36
called? Crunchy, Crunchy Mcnuggets or
1:05:39
whatever. I mean, there's a million.
1:05:40
People who's the guy? The fucking, I don't know, Baja
1:05:42
Blast. What's his fucking name?
1:05:44
Very, very. You've said crunchy, munchy and
1:05:47
Baja blast. What's?
1:05:48
His fucking name. Crunchy Mcmunchy.
1:05:50
It's like something insane. Alright.
1:05:53
No, you must know the it's the guy that you were talking about
1:05:56
with the. There are so many people that do
1:05:59
that. Name me some and we'll figure
1:06:01
out which. One don't know their names, all
1:06:03
I know is Don. I'm going to type in Crazy
1:06:09
Guitar Guy and we'll see. Yeah, Doctor Mcnugget comes up.
1:06:14
I can't remember what his name is.
1:06:16
Crazy Guitar Shred guy. Kid buried alive.
1:06:26
That is Skype vocals. No, no.
1:06:30
Not very alive the band not very alive, the band buried when it's
1:06:34
spelt like. Buried.
1:06:35
I think I've seen it Which. Is why I thought what did I say
1:06:38
the first one? I can't remember the.
1:06:39
Use of the name Crunchy munchy Munchy munchies.
1:06:44
Just it's crunchy munchy. Buried alive, it was called.
1:06:49
Anyway, the reason that you're not went away was actually
1:06:54
because I won. People stop doing it because
1:06:56
they were terrified. The drop or drum.
1:06:59
When was the last time other than that one one guy?
1:07:02
When was the last time you saw someone blatantly faking a drum
1:07:05
video like something that's impossible to do?
1:07:07
I'm sure there's ones that are fake but it's like.
1:07:09
I'll be real, I think I probably just watch drum videos that you
1:07:15
roasted and that was probably where I got my content from.
1:07:18
But but that being said, yeah, maybe guitar is replaced, drums
1:07:25
in that way, and now people are starting to turn on those guys.
1:07:27
Someone someone did a video the other day about something.
1:07:29
There's a guy that calls himself.
1:07:31
I'm not going to get this name right obviously, but like tread
1:07:34
Lord or. Crunchy munchy shred Lord.
1:07:37
And someone like picked it apart like the way I did.
1:07:42
Sure. Yeah, I mean, I don't.
1:07:44
You want to do fake stuff? That's awesome, dude.
1:07:47
I do fake stuff all the time when I'm demoing.
1:07:50
You know that's demoing though you're not trying to make
1:07:52
yourself. No, that's what I'm saying is
1:07:55
that like, I'll put out, I'll like, I'll put out that song
1:07:59
where I do that, but you think I'm not telling people that I
1:08:02
can't play that. I stopped, I let a bunch slide.
1:08:05
What happened was I I did a bunch and then people stopped
1:08:09
doing it so much. And then there was a double
1:08:12
edged sword effect where people just were just giving me so much
1:08:16
hate for being a hater. And it's like, no, I'm just
1:08:19
pointing out in a funny way that this guy is cheating.
1:08:22
And then so I stopped for a while because there was less
1:08:24
going around and I sort of didn't want to be.
1:08:26
People knew me as like the the mean guy on YouTube, which I
1:08:30
didn't want to be. And then I came back when that
1:08:34
one guy, I was waiting for him to slip up because I was like,
1:08:36
your videos are so fake. And then he's selling drum
1:08:40
courses and there was a bunch of stories online where kids were
1:08:44
paying him for lessons or like, like Skype lessons or whatever.
1:08:49
And he even wasn't turning up or he would take the money and just
1:08:53
do a bat and all that stuff. And he's not cool.
1:08:54
He's getting people to come to these drum camps to learn how to
1:08:58
do something that cannot physically exist.
1:09:01
And I was like, Nah, this, this is gone too far.
1:09:03
Yeah, that's fucked up. I must come and I'll come back
1:09:06
if there's another like absolute dog shit but.
1:09:08
I think people, I think, I think people just like watching you
1:09:11
react to drum videos, yeah. The reacting was.
1:09:14
Yeah, and we all know. See I I.
1:09:16
What you view on reactors? Still not talking about the
1:09:19
Grammys? It doesn't matter.
1:09:20
They don't care. We're talking about the Grammys.
1:09:22
Yeah, yeah, well, no, my my point is people shit people shit
1:09:26
on music react reactors all the time and it absolutely is burnt.
1:09:31
But at the same time, like seeing a dude that's cool,
1:09:36
that's good at what he does, you thanks seeing another guy good
1:09:39
at what he does and you being like that guy's really good is
1:09:43
entertaining. Thank you Most is, I think the
1:09:45
reason that actually means a lot, but I think the reason it
1:09:48
is burnt out and also the reason why I feel like I can't do it is
1:09:52
because it's just unanimously positive now.
1:09:56
And it's always like, Oh my God, you know exactly what it's like.
1:10:00
I can't believe he did that. Well, that's just.
1:10:03
That's how the algorithm is. Now.
1:10:05
You, you, it has. Now it has to be like.
1:10:08
This is the craziest thing ever seen.
1:10:12
Wait wait wait. Do that again because it will be
1:10:14
the thumbnail for this. This is the.
1:10:17
Craziest. Like I can't believe.
1:10:20
You know, watch. This get the most amount of
1:10:22
views ever because of that thumbnail.
1:10:27
Yeah. This is the craziest video I've
1:10:29
ever seen. This is the best.
1:10:30
Which annoys me. Which annoys me when it's fake.
1:10:33
Anyway, the Grammys. Yeah.
1:10:34
What's going on? What about?
1:10:36
OK, talk me through your fit for the Grammys.
1:10:39
And Simon, I want a photo of this fucking fit.
1:10:42
What did you wear? Oh, I wore a Rick Owens sort of
1:10:49
jumpsuit. A mesh jumpsuit that it was
1:10:54
originally way longer than that. I had to get it hemmed up last
1:10:58
minute by this dude named August.
1:11:00
Shout out August. And yeah, it was just a cool
1:11:05
little statement piece because I wanted to, you know, obviously
1:11:08
you want to dress up and stuff, but I wanted to kind of make it
1:11:12
a cool little moment that maybe other people wouldn't
1:11:15
traditionally do. You did exactly what I would
1:11:18
dream of doing in my head. Anytime I would ever get to
1:11:22
something like the Grammys, I would wear something insane and
1:11:25
recurrence. I mean, recently in the, in the
1:11:27
past couple of years, I've been able to kind of define my
1:11:32
personal style and also bring it on stage way more.
1:11:36
The guys have been really, really cool about me being able
1:11:39
to kind of bring that stuff to the KL stage and.
1:11:43
Was there a point when you like got into essentially high
1:11:47
fashion? So I've been into it for like a
1:11:52
very long time. I've been into it for like 10
1:11:54
years. But I didn't think, well, you
1:11:57
know, of course at one point you can't afford it, but at all it's
1:12:00
also like. You can't play in a you can't
1:12:02
wear in a 300 cap room. Sure, it's not going to smell.
1:12:05
Right. It's not even that.
1:12:06
It's like because I'll mosh in a I'll fucking, I'll pit it's
1:12:10
Spinelli's in a fucking $1000 pants I.
1:12:14
Mean, on stage. I mean, on stage people won't be
1:12:16
talking shit about Knock Loose if you wore Rick Owens back in
1:12:19
the day when you were coming up. Sure, yes, yeah.
1:12:21
Not saying they wouldn't, but that being said, it's like not
1:12:25
only could I not afford it, but also there was this whole thing
1:12:28
where I didn't, I didn't think I was cool enough to wear that
1:12:32
stuff even though that is what I wanted to wear.
1:12:35
So growing up, it's like I would have all these books of, you
1:12:39
know, brands like CDG and like Junya Watanabe and like all
1:12:42
these dudes that I really, really fuck with or Rick Owens
1:12:44
or whatever. And I really, really love the
1:12:46
clothes. And.
1:12:47
But I never, I was like, oh, that's so like, that could never
1:12:51
be me. Yeah.
1:12:52
And then eventually I started embracing.
1:12:54
I was like, oh, maybe that can be me.
1:12:56
And I started buying pieces and stuff.
1:12:58
And it's been nice to be able to embrace that on stage and at the
1:13:01
Grammys. It was really, really I.
1:13:02
Feel like I live vicariously through you for that, because I
1:13:05
feel like I'm the same. Like I got, I have a bunch of
1:13:08
pieces and I am a massive admirer of it.
1:13:12
Yeah, but I'm like I'm never at an event where I can really put
1:13:15
that shit on. So when I see you doing it, I'm
1:13:18
like, well, I turn, I turn to Madison.
1:13:20
I'm like, look how fucking good Isaac looks.
1:13:22
And I share, I share it to my story.
1:13:24
I share it to my story. And then like I'm like, I gotta
1:13:27
share the rest of the guys photos as well.
1:13:29
But like it's always because I'm just like, look at fucking
1:13:32
Isaac. And then I look at everyone
1:13:33
else. I'm like, look at fucking
1:13:34
everyone. I get them all.
1:13:35
Well, I will say everyone in the squad did look fantastic.
1:13:39
So fucking good. And I wasn't even, I didn't even
1:13:42
know that it was going to end up looking that great and cohesive,
1:13:46
but it was like, dude, the whole group and everyone in our party,
1:13:50
like, I don't know if you saw the.
1:13:51
Pictures of everyone's got. The families and all that,
1:13:53
everyone looked fantastic. It couldn't couldn't have been
1:13:56
better. But that to your point, though,
1:13:58
it it it has been crazy to kind of start dressing like that,
1:14:04
like in front of your boys and stuff.
1:14:06
Like, I remember the the first time I like went to my friends,
1:14:09
I was just a friend, a bunch of friends that I like met in the
1:14:13
hardcore scene and I wore a skirt there.
1:14:15
Yeah, fucking. And they were like, damn, you're
1:14:16
wearing skirts now. And I was kind of like, yeah, I
1:14:19
just kind of do this now. It's so.
1:14:21
Simple. That's OK.
1:14:22
And they were like, yeah, whatever the fuck.
1:14:24
That was it. I respect it.
1:14:27
Did anyone OK? Was it, was it gifted?
1:14:30
Did you pay for it out of your own pocket?
1:14:32
Yeah. Oh no, not gifted.
1:14:33
Anyone hit you up? No, Rick, here's I'm not the I,
1:14:37
I would never be hit up about Rick Owens because I'm not the
1:14:40
body type of a traditional Rick Owens model because their
1:14:42
traditional Rick Owens model is 95 foot.
1:14:45
Yeah, 6-7 looks like a vampire. Yeah, such hot dudes.
1:14:49
Very hot. The hot is fucking very hot,
1:14:51
yeah. So no, no one hit you up.
1:14:54
So was that for GQ actually was AG, was AG Q5 GQ?
1:14:58
Was just just someone that was there.
1:15:01
Have you been hit up about anything else after that for
1:15:04
like any modelling shit? Yeah, yeah, some stuff that I
1:15:07
can't talk about, but, but I would love to be able to get
1:15:10
into that because I don't think I'm, I'm terrible at being
1:15:16
photographed. Whereas like everyone else in my
1:15:18
band, like pretty, I'm not going to say despised as being
1:15:21
photographed, but a couple do. We're not very good.
1:15:26
We're not very good at photo shoots.
1:15:28
I despise it but I sell so much more of my own brand when it's
1:15:34
me in it. And you know that.
1:15:35
So I have to do it. I fucking hate it so much
1:15:40
because I've only got so many looks.
1:15:41
I feel like fucking Zoolander. But you don't Magnum that's.
1:15:44
Fine though, because it's like you're selling all the same to
1:15:46
you. You don't have to look.
1:15:47
You can have a couple different things.
1:15:49
I feel like people are laughing. At I think, no, I think that
1:15:51
it's all just about with modelling and stuff like that.
1:15:54
It's just all kind of about accepting it and just kind of
1:15:57
working it and don't like, don't think about it in your head
1:16:00
like. This is.
1:16:02
Like as soon as you start going like this is so lame.
1:16:04
It's like, that's when, yeah, that's when it gets real and
1:16:08
said if you just like do the photos and just like do your
1:16:12
poses or whatever, and then just like don't think about it and be
1:16:14
like, Yep, got to sell fucked out of this because I'm taking a
1:16:18
picture in it. Yeah, it's awesome.
1:16:20
I mean, that does happen. But hey, you look great.
1:16:22
Thanks man you look great. You look great tell my
1:16:25
girlfriend how good you look same bad and I'm like look how
1:16:27
good look how good my fucking boy looks.
1:16:30
I always calm. I appreciate.
1:16:31
I always post it to my story. I fucking love it.
1:16:33
We need more of it. We need more people like just
1:16:36
even, it doesn't have to be like fucking high fashion, but like
1:16:38
people just embracing like different fashion in heavy
1:16:44
music. It's fucking awesome to see.
1:16:46
Sure, yeah, I don't I don't even know.
1:16:48
It wasn't like a specific Knuckles started taking stage
1:16:52
outfits more seriously when we got offered Coachella because
1:16:54
it's it's a meme, right? It's like got to look cool at
1:16:57
Coachella. And so we.
1:16:59
Had the pink hair. Pink hair.
1:17:01
We had all this thing, he had this kind of like he had this
1:17:04
cherry, like cherry bottoms and tops that he got and he looked
1:17:09
fantastic. And we all kind of like, we were
1:17:12
like, oh, what if we like kind of dressed up, like kind of did
1:17:14
our own thing for this. And then we just took it
1:17:15
seriously since then just because also there's more, like
1:17:19
I said, there's a bit more of a a show now to the KL show.
1:17:23
So we want to take everything seriously now.
1:17:25
Because you had just the overalls for a while.
1:17:27
I did overalls first, yeah. That was its own sick look.
1:17:31
Yeah, everyone. That was a moment, which is
1:17:32
funny because there's so many people there.
1:17:34
Andy Williams. Andy Williams is, I think, the
1:17:37
The Godfather. Is the Godfather and let me tell
1:17:40
you that man is way larger than me.
1:17:42
He's a big dude. He was a big.
1:17:45
He is a big fucking. Dude, I'm just like some skinny
1:17:47
little twink. How sick.
1:17:48
I was talking about Andy Williams this morning, wasn't I?
1:17:51
How sick is it that he's like a real wrestler now?
1:17:54
Yeah, he's not fucking around. He's.
1:17:55
Like a on TV wrestler. Yeah, he's really went and did
1:17:59
that shit. So.
1:18:00
Sick. It's awesome and he also riffs
1:18:03
so hard. He riffs so fucking hard.
1:18:05
You haven't got Have you got any aspirations of making your own
1:18:08
clothes? No.
1:18:10
Why? Because I'm not very gifted in
1:18:13
that way, I don't really see things in my brain like that.
1:18:16
Yeah, but you know how Rick started.
1:18:18
But he started counterfeiting. Yeah, another company.
1:18:21
Yeah, for sure. I.
1:18:23
You counterfeit Rick. My brain doesn't work in visuals
1:18:26
like that, at least not as far as clothing goes in my.
1:18:29
Audio Brain. Yes, you do.
1:18:31
Because I don't have math brain either.
1:18:34
It's all, it's all like I'm not very good at drawing.
1:18:38
I'm not very good at any of this.
1:18:39
Like I'm complete audio brain. Audio brain.
1:18:41
I've got pretty good math brain. I'm jealous.
1:18:45
I got pretty bad audio brain drums.
1:18:48
I can do rhythm, that's it. Well, OK, you being a good
1:18:51
drummer, math brain does. Math Brain.
1:18:53
That that makes. Sense that shit.
1:18:55
Yeah, When I back when I was playing drums a lot, it was
1:18:58
still completely audio. It wasn't based in any sort of
1:19:00
math. How?
1:19:01
Many bands are you in? Such a.
1:19:07
Strange fucking noise, including.
1:19:11
Our hold on. Including ours.
1:19:13
Let's name ours right now as well.
1:19:15
Oh my God, how long do you reckon we've been talking for?
1:19:17
Don't look you fucking. I I actually didn't say.
1:19:20
I'm going to guess an hour and 40 minutes.
1:19:22
No an hour 26. That's awesome, I can't wait to
1:19:24
talk for another hour. You, you got, you get.
1:19:27
At least you got an hour. Knock loose 2 witnesses
1:19:31
inclination Weapon X couldn't be me these.
1:19:37
Are your two new ones. Yeah, everybody dies.
1:19:39
Couldn't be me and everybody and that dies of the two new ones.
1:19:42
I think that's that's it right now, but I'm working on more.
1:19:47
Every. Everybody dies.
1:19:48
Everybody. Dies and couldn't be me.
1:19:51
Is this part of your like 9 to 5 right music?
1:19:54
Yeah. Did you do?
1:19:55
All the instruments or is it a real band?
1:19:58
Couldn't be me. It's just me wanting to be in a
1:20:00
Boston hardcore band that sounds like stop and thinking like all
1:20:03
those like punk hardcore from Boston, really.
1:20:06
Funny being called Couldn't be me.
1:20:07
I get it, it's a straight edge band, right?
1:20:09
No, it's not, isn't it? No, it's not.
1:20:11
I mean, it's you. But the last song on the record
1:20:14
is a straight edge song, and it's.
1:20:16
Yeah, OK, got it. But it's funny because that's
1:20:19
the one that's all you and it's called Couldn't Be Me.
1:20:21
Yeah, which is very funny. Didn't think about that.
1:20:23
You didn't think about that? No, but that was a very easy,
1:20:26
just like, like, fuck it. I want to like it was it was it
1:20:30
was a riff that I'd had for five years and I randomly was just
1:20:33
like, I'm just going to write this demo.
1:20:34
And I wrote it in a day and then recorded it in a day and it was
1:20:37
done. I was like, fuck, I'm just going
1:20:38
to do this. And then Everybody Dies is the
1:20:41
brainchild of me and two members of You're the Knife.
1:20:48
Andy and Aaron, they're twins. They are fucking unbelievable.
1:20:52
Andy is one of the most unbelievable drummers in the
1:20:55
hardcore scene and we share a love of 6 Feet Under. 6 Feet
1:21:02
Under is like one of my favorite bands.
1:21:04
I think they have like many amazing records and it's really
1:21:08
cool. Just like kind of groove based
1:21:11
to death metal that's not really interested in blasting.
1:21:15
It's very interesting and just like heavy shit.
1:21:17
Vocals included. 6 Feet Under has like 7 or 8 albums that I
1:21:22
will listen to all the way through and like yeah.
1:21:25
Are you with Cannibal Corpse then?
1:21:27
Are you a Chris Barnes or are you a corpse grinder?
1:21:30
I think you prefer Corpse Grinder.
1:21:32
Yes. I, I think a lot of people do.
1:21:34
I mean, it's hard. It's hard because like something
1:21:37
like the bleeding dude, Oh my God, it's so good.
1:21:41
But then like, I don't know, man, like.
1:21:47
I want I want them to re record those first records with corpse
1:21:52
kinda. In like a standard or whatever
1:21:55
they're tuned to now. Like.
1:21:57
Like their hardest tracks are in the past 10 years.
1:22:04
The last record is incredible. Yeah, they don't have a bad.
1:22:07
When and when, Eric. Yeah, They're another band that
1:22:09
doesn't have a bad one. When Eric Rutan joined, yeah, it
1:22:13
was just like, Oh my God, this is like a band of old dudes that
1:22:16
is now like, back to being young.
1:22:20
Yeah. And here's the thing.
1:22:21
They, they also stopped, I think probably because they're, I
1:22:26
don't know if I don't know if this is the case, but they, you
1:22:31
know, when Evisceration Plague came out and the title track
1:22:35
came out and that became a staple of the set and they were
1:22:38
like, man, people really like this slow, groovy song.
1:22:42
You know, I think that maybe with them getting older and
1:22:45
stuff, they were like, hey, maybe we don't want to play like
1:22:47
1,000,000 miles an hour the entire time because it's hard
1:22:50
and it sucks, you know? It's harder to sound good as
1:22:54
well when you're like they are. Using and maybe it's not that,
1:22:57
but either way, they've kind of developed where it's like on
1:23:01
every record there's like two or three tracks that are just these
1:23:05
groove based, just mosh parts the whole time and it's
1:23:10
unbelievable. Like a song like Do Like Screwed
1:23:13
of Iron is one of the heaviest things anyone's ever heard ever.
1:23:16
I feel like Cannibal Corpse never really gets mentioned
1:23:22
enough, especially in like the new people like new kids getting
1:23:29
into death metal. I feel like skip over Cannibal
1:23:32
Corpse quite a lot really. You know the other one that skip
1:23:34
over even more than Cannibal Corpse because there are bands
1:23:37
that do like Cannibal Corpse worship in a new way like
1:23:39
undeath and shit like that. But like, you know, never gets
1:23:43
it and I'm waiting for everyone to realize they are as cool as
1:23:46
they fucking are, Niall. Yeah, here's why.
1:23:49
Here's why. The Egypt thing.
1:23:52
Yeah, there we go. We can move on.
1:23:56
Well, here's the thing. When a band is doing something
1:23:58
as specific as Niall is doing, yeah, it definitely feels like
1:24:02
yeah, they got it. You know, like you.
1:24:05
Could do a Greek version. Septic flash actually kind of is
1:24:09
a Greek Niall. Yeah, I think Niall is just a
1:24:13
really good version of that. And I think that's such a niche
1:24:15
thing that people are just like, yeah, I don't need to do that,
1:24:18
Niall does it. But I never see someone in like
1:24:20
a Niall show, even like somebody.
1:24:21
'S I think it's because it's too funny.
1:24:23
I think a lot of people think it's too silly.
1:24:26
I love it, but the riffs are there, man.
1:24:27
It's great music. Unreal.
1:24:29
One of my favorite, like, breakdowns ever is the first
1:24:34
track on those whom the gods Detest.
1:24:38
Yeah. Song is called Kathir, and it
1:24:40
breaks down and it has the Islamic call to prayer over, you
1:24:45
know, the thing that the mosques play when it's time to prayer
1:24:49
over this slam breakdown. Yeah.
1:24:51
Then it stops. And Carl Sanders, a white man,
1:24:57
says Allah Akbar like this, and then it kicks back in.
1:25:06
Insane. That's hard as.
1:25:07
Fuck, who's doing that? You know what's also hard as
1:25:10
fuck? Them having song names that are
1:25:12
like eating crickets during the the drought of the Well in the
1:25:19
Pyramid of the Sky Demon. I think that's too short.
1:25:23
Let me see if I can remember one off the top of my head.
1:25:26
Papyrus containing the scroll to protect he who is in the water.
1:25:32
I'm pretty sure that's right. There's longer than that.
1:25:35
There's some better longer than that.
1:25:36
Oh yeah? Shit.
1:25:37
No, it is longer. I got it.
1:25:38
Wrong. Yeah, yeah, I had a feeling.
1:25:41
It's way longer. I must have, I knew it.
1:25:43
I must have said what's on this at this?
1:25:45
Yeah, I, yeah, we like, we have a song called Trapped in the
1:25:53
Grasp of a Memory, and we call it Traps.
1:25:56
So when they have this, it's still like this fucking light.
1:26:02
OK. The one I was talking about is
1:26:05
papyrus containing the spell to preserve its possessor.
1:26:08
Possessor against the attacks. From who?
1:26:10
From he who is in the water. That's it.
1:26:13
Yeah. And then so they just call it
1:26:16
papyrus containing the spell to protect those in the water.
1:26:20
OK. Chapter for not being hung
1:26:23
upside down on a stake in the underworld and made to eat feces
1:26:26
by the four apes. See, that was dope because that
1:26:30
that one is that's a lot of information.
1:26:32
So the first, the whole story, the first one is basically just
1:26:36
like, yeah, it's a scroll. It's a scroll.
1:26:44
It's just a scroll. It's just a long way.
1:26:47
That's a piece of paper it. Could be just be Yeah, no, wait
1:26:50
on the set list. On the set list it just says
1:26:53
spell scroll. Yes, you guys want to play spell
1:26:57
scroll? Yeah, magic.
1:26:58
Chapter for not being hung upside down on a steak in the
1:27:01
underworld and made to eat feces.
1:27:02
But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
1:27:04
Yeah, hold on. Say that one more time.
1:27:06
Yeah, I know exactly that word you are going to emphasize
1:27:09
chapter for not so it doesn't even have to, no.
1:27:14
Guys, we're not. We're not doing that.
1:27:17
This is the chapter for not being hung up so shortly
1:27:24
followed by the chapter 4 being hung up.
1:27:27
That's the next race that you can be Underworld by the 4H.
1:27:31
They must have, Really. Yeah.
1:27:32
Anyway, I love now. Big big long songs, big long
1:27:35
titles. They do have some crazy fucking
1:27:39
hung upside down and made not is the funniest fucking.
1:27:43
That is so funny. They just demeaned the whole
1:27:48
they could've and basically what that means is that that song
1:27:53
name does not need to exist. It demeans the entire song.
1:27:56
It's. OK guys, it's not the chapter.
1:28:01
Hey guys, you know this thing, not that.
1:28:04
Not. That all right?
1:28:06
Yeah. What's funny, you know, what's
1:28:08
even funnier is if they never tell you what it is, they just
1:28:11
tell you that it's not Terry. It's not the fucking thing.
1:28:14
I need to listen to that song anyway.
1:28:16
You all bands Grammys, Where were we?
1:28:18
Yeah, we were talking about my band.
1:28:20
We're talking about. You're talking about the Fitz,
1:28:21
The Grammys. Yeah.
1:28:24
Oh, good shoes on. Thanks Sir.
1:28:26
You like a like a real shoe? Like a real you got who shines
1:28:30
your shoes. Who shines my shoes?
1:28:31
You shine them or you go to a place.
1:28:33
I've got to never shine the shoe.
1:28:35
You never you got shiny fucking shoes.
1:28:37
On do I so I what I like to do is buy shoes that don't get not
1:28:41
shiny. Like a sneaker.
1:28:43
No, because those get fucked up. Yeah, it's well, also my my new
1:28:47
thing. I mean, I wear a lot of black
1:28:49
now. I see.
1:28:51
Yeah, and it's pretty easy to keep a black shoe looking nice.
1:28:57
It is not easy to keep a white shoe looking nice.
1:28:59
You have a step into the Rick Boots world.
1:29:01
Yeah, I wore them at the Grammys.
1:29:03
They're awesome that they were way more comfy than I thought
1:29:06
they were going to be. I thought that they were going
1:29:08
to destroy my feet. And they're large, but they're
1:29:10
not uncomfy. I always find like, I mean I did
1:29:15
it as a bit but I played a show in the Mischief big red boots
1:29:19
and they were really comfy. I bet they weren't.
1:29:22
I mean, they look like balloons. But I like put them on.
1:29:25
I was wearing like I was just wearing camo.
1:29:28
Like I had nice some nice denim on.
1:29:31
I had a nice Halis camo jacket on.
1:29:34
But then I put those boots on and everyone was like laughing
1:29:36
and I looked in the mirror and I was like.
1:29:38
It's fucking hard, yeah. It's fucking hard.
1:29:40
Then they released them in black and I was like, genuinely like.
1:29:44
Good. This is it.
1:29:45
Yeah. Good, I think.
1:29:47
I think you should have. In Nashville, though, I reckon
1:29:49
I'll get killed. No, Nashville's turned into
1:29:52
Nashville. Other Nashville now is.
1:29:55
I mean, East Nashville. LA Junior.
1:29:56
There'd be a parade for me in East.
1:29:58
Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah, he looks different.
1:30:01
He's got the big red boots on. Hell yeah.
1:30:04
He's alt. Yeah, he's Alt you.
1:30:07
Got any tattoos? Not one.
1:30:09
Yeah, that's what we're going to say.
1:30:10
Never. Cared.
1:30:11
Never cared, never going to do it.
1:30:13
Never cared. Well, yeah, I don't think I.
1:30:15
Yeah, if you did it now, it would.
1:30:16
It'd be weird. You want to know something
1:30:18
super, Here's a here's another take I have, and this is
1:30:22
unfortunate, but one first of all, I enjoy not having tattoos
1:30:28
like that. I I'm not insecure about not
1:30:30
having them, but also I think if you get one tattoo, I think it
1:30:35
looks. Stupid.
1:30:36
You need 10 minimum. So if I was to start now and get
1:30:41
one here. No, I'm going to flip that on
1:30:44
its head in high fashion. That would actually be kind of
1:30:47
sick if you just have one and it was shit.
1:30:49
No, I think that. I think that high fashion still
1:30:52
likes a lot of them, but I think they like a lot of shitty.
1:30:55
Ones it's really bad. It's got to say like coward or
1:31:00
like. The little one there.
1:31:01
Yeah. Bold font or.
1:31:03
Whatever. And I kind of like some of the
1:31:05
like shitty fine line stuff. Like I feel like there's,
1:31:08
there's an alternate, there's an alternate reality where I have
1:31:11
like greed or something on my. One face.
1:31:16
Banger. Yeah, I don't know.
1:31:17
I feel like face banger would be kind of sick.
1:31:20
I think my alternate reality I probably just have a bunch of
1:31:25
piercings like I'm full new metal like coal chambers.
1:31:28
You get a bunch of bear we got, I've got a Pierce head over
1:31:32
there are. You a Pierce head or a piercer?
1:31:36
Pierce. What do you mean?
1:31:37
I may Pierce. I may Pierce.
1:31:38
Head up. Do you you Pierce yourself?
1:31:40
I. Don't usually, but I have.
1:31:42
It counts. I try.
1:31:43
I was going to Pierce you the other day.
1:31:45
You didn't want it. I had a needle in my hand ready.
1:31:47
I love the way piercings look a lot like I love the way eyebrow
1:31:52
piercings and stuff like that look a.
1:31:53
Rocker piercing. I do, no.
1:31:55
I do think I could, but unfortunately the possible
1:32:00
negative outcome is just so negative that I don't want like.
1:32:04
What do you mean? Tugging.
1:32:06
Oh yeah, I get, I have nightmares about like having a
1:32:10
piercing and then getting it tugged on because I'm like, what
1:32:13
happens? Do you do that?
1:32:13
Just just RIP out your entire face.
1:32:16
I mean the worst one to tug on is also one of the coolest ones
1:32:19
you could do. Just get both your nips done.
1:32:22
No, You know who does talk about doing that?
1:32:26
Pacsun. Wow, Pacsun with nipple
1:32:31
piercings. Kind of a look.
1:32:34
Yeah, it's awesome. But like, stretched gold.
1:32:38
Yeah, like fucking cow's nose. He's tattoo guy now, Yeah.
1:32:45
He's got, he's got like a covered leg.
1:32:47
He's getting there. He's getting there.
1:32:48
Yeah. I feel like people come in.
1:32:50
Like Pakistan is looking good recent like we've we've we've
1:32:56
bought him some new pants. We're starting, he's in his.
1:32:59
He's. Starting he's starting to enter
1:33:01
his like style I've. Seen him wearing some shit.
1:33:04
Yeah, he's starting to enter his style area.
1:33:07
We did a photo shoot the other day.
1:33:08
He looked damn good the entire time.
1:33:10
Whole band's looking good. I agree.
1:33:12
I agree. I don't think the band has ever
1:33:13
looked better than it does right now.
1:33:15
Kevin shaved his head. Kevin shaved his head and he
1:33:17
loves it. Yeah, that was that was big.
1:33:19
Yeah, he looks good for it. Yeah, and he looks amazing and
1:33:24
so do I. I know it sucks, I love like
1:33:26
fashion and the guys looking good.
1:33:28
Yeah, I don't think that sucks at all.
1:33:30
I. Feel like.
1:33:31
It it's definitely misconstrued. As people being like, why do you
1:33:35
care about that? But it's like because literally
1:33:38
for eons heavy musicians have not looked good.
1:33:42
So it's like sick to see people. Well, you know what's funny?
1:33:46
Nowadays people will look at those guys that didn't look good
1:33:50
and be like, God, I wish, I like.
1:33:52
Them I I said that the minute I said it out loud when I was like
1:33:56
actually like the Metallica look of like AT shirt that's far too
1:33:59
small and long hair and a fucking tennis headband and
1:34:03
skinny jeans and Jordans is like so sick.
1:34:05
God, it's awesome. I've got the I've back myself
1:34:09
into a corner now though, because I got big.
1:34:11
I got relatively big for my body size.
1:34:14
Now this is just shit. I can't wear the same in the
1:34:16
same way that you're like talking about the Rick model
1:34:18
thing. It's just like there's some
1:34:19
things I wish I could wear and I put them on them are just look
1:34:22
insane. See, that's where I'm at is that
1:34:25
and you look amazing, you know, but I have very, I have very
1:34:32
little like testosterone in my body like I don't.
1:34:37
Know that for a fact, no. No, no, no.
1:34:39
Did. Sure, sure.
1:34:41
What I'm what I'm referencing is that I don't.
1:34:44
I don't crave the bulky lifty look at all, you know, like I
1:34:49
kind of like looking like a twink and I prefer that.
1:34:54
Get away with more fashion wise if you look sure more Twinkie.
1:34:57
Sure. Like if I do enter a lifting
1:35:00
era, I'm going to have to be very careful to not get too
1:35:03
bulky because I don't like the way that.
1:35:06
Yeah, I think you just go super, super lean where you don't like
1:35:09
what happens to me when I actually do cut down is when I
1:35:12
wear normal clothes. People just think I'm like a
1:35:15
normal yeah physique and then I'll play a show, dude, and then
1:35:19
people are like. Secret Secret Bod is awesome.
1:35:23
Actually, it's awesome. Like you like a dude that's just
1:35:25
like completely just looks like a normal guy and then you're
1:35:29
like, Oh my Christ. This is my dream physique when
1:35:33
I'm older. Have you ever seen the movie
1:35:35
Itchy the killer? Yes, you know the old.
1:35:37
Guy. No.
1:35:38
And the whole the whole movie, it's just this old guy and he's
1:35:42
in a jacket and it's just like the weird little old guy.
1:35:45
And in the end, the movie takes off his jacket and he's no.
1:35:47
Ones like. Absolutely fucking.
1:35:49
Jacked as fuck. That's so sick.
1:35:53
Yeah, that's rocked. Anyway, Meshuga itchy the killer
1:35:56
Meshuga bad happy face. Gojira happy face.
1:35:59
Gojira Fashion. We haven't talked about
1:36:02
Metallica yet, but did we do that last time?
1:36:04
Go on, did we talk? We talked so much about
1:36:07
Metallica last time, but this time was filmed on inferior
1:36:10
cameras in a hotel room with inferior lighting.
1:36:13
It was fun though. Got a lot of views actually
1:36:15
considering how bad it looked it was a good chat.
1:36:17
It was fun. You just played with Bring Me.
1:36:20
You were on tour with Suicide Side Boys.
1:36:22
Yeah, we. Didn't get to hang out after the
1:36:24
Bring me show. I think I saw you before the
1:36:26
show you did because you I think you guys something happened with
1:36:30
your I was remembering earlier something happened with your
1:36:32
fucking truck or something or your van Brooklyn, whatever.
1:36:36
I can't remember what the. Fuck dude I just went to you
1:36:40
guys were hanging out. I went to London for a day
1:36:45
recently for an undisclosed thing and we all went to, we all
1:36:52
went to take at Asian food and was amazing and you guys weren't
1:36:54
there and I wasn't really sad. I didn't even fucking know until
1:36:57
the next day. Yeah, no one told me.
1:37:00
Really. We were fucking there, I.
1:37:02
Texted you. I think I texted you during the
1:37:04
dinner. I was just like, hey man, miss
1:37:06
you. Let's pull it up.
1:37:07
Guarantee. It I mean, you probably did, and
1:37:09
that's probably who told me. Hey, can I say the thing that
1:37:13
you say and I because I really want to say it.
1:37:15
What thing do I say? Hey Simon, cut all this out.
1:37:17
What you can say that, but I mean, can you leave that in
1:37:23
though? Sorry, leave him saying that
1:37:25
out. No idea.
1:37:28
We wait. I tell you what, I don't really
1:37:31
text people. We text kind of a lot.
1:37:33
We, and you know what? We should text even more.
1:37:36
We should because we get hungry. Don't be texting.
1:37:39
Yeah. Missed you today, buddy.
1:37:41
Right at 7:00 PM UK time, which is 2:00 AM here.
1:37:45
OK. And I said what?
1:37:46
Where are you? And you said had dinner with the
1:37:48
fellows. Yeah.
1:37:49
No one, fucking no one fucking told me.
1:37:51
We. They gatekeeped you.
1:37:52
We. Literally went and we didn't
1:37:55
know we were where we were going to eat because it was right
1:37:57
after your rehearsal. And I, we eyeballed it.
1:38:02
I was like Asian sounds good. Found this kind of Asian hole in
1:38:06
the wall. Literally felt like Japan.
1:38:08
It was one of the best Asian meals I've ever.
1:38:10
Had I remember. And then we had dessert
1:38:12
afterwards at a separate spot. It was my.
1:38:14
Favorite thing to do on? Earth Bang.
1:38:16
Bang. Bang Bang.
1:38:18
I was explaining Bang Bang the other day.
1:38:20
Bang. But wait wait, does Bang Bang
1:38:21
include it being a dessert somewhere else?
1:38:24
I thought Bang Bang was like dinner plus another dinner, no?
1:38:28
That's just psychotic. I thought that was the whole
1:38:30
thing with Bang Bang, No. Oh, I Bang Bang all the time.
1:38:33
I thought Bang Bang was like, sometimes I'll do on tour, I'll
1:38:38
do like a Chipotle and then I'm like, I'm still kind of hungry
1:38:40
and I'll get something else as well, maybe a wing.
1:38:42
That's fine. I mean that counts as a Bang
1:38:44
Bang. Then you can do a Bang Bang bang
1:38:45
where you do dinner, 2nd dinner, treat my kind of shit.
1:38:49
But you have to go to the place for it to be a bang.
1:38:52
What's your favorite treat to have after dinner?
1:38:54
This is so tough. I'm a cheesecake guy right now
1:38:57
in my life. Says he doesn't want to bulk up
1:39:01
cheesecake. No wonder you're doing 200 push
1:39:03
ups. What's your favorite cheesecake?
1:39:05
My favorite cheesecake is is probably a classic Basque is
1:39:10
what it's called from the is basically my favorite.
1:39:13
Are you about to say from the Basque region of somewhere?
1:39:16
No. Before you're gonna go wine on
1:39:19
me. No, no, no.
1:39:21
It's basically my perfect cheesecake is basically a a
1:39:25
plain New York cheesecake with some sort of Berry on top and
1:39:30
some sort of like strawberry or Berry drizzle.
1:39:32
So buried. Alive on top?
1:39:34
Yeah, the guy. Buried, buried alive, The man.
1:39:36
Crunchy, crunchy, crunchy munchy man.
1:39:41
Wait, what kind of Berry If you put in a Berry on there?
1:39:43
Strawberry. Strawberry probably.
1:39:45
That's nice. That's a classic.
1:39:46
With the glaze. Or just like strawberry on top
1:39:49
of the New York slice. Not pizza.
1:39:52
Either either I think that the a traditional New York cheesecake.
1:40:00
Like New York style cheesecake is just a slice of cheesecake
1:40:03
and then a strawberry on top and whipped cream.
1:40:06
Oh really? Yes, I thought it was just the
1:40:08
like white cheesecake I fuck heavily with like a Biscoff
1:40:11
cheesecake. Oh my God.
1:40:12
Yeah, fuck. I mean, you can sell me on
1:40:15
whatever cheesecake I'm down, but I'm, I'm a, I'm a huge
1:40:18
sugary treat guy. I'm unfortunately at the point
1:40:22
where I have to have something sugary.
1:40:25
Diabetes. I hope some people laughed at
1:40:30
that because that was an incredible joke.
1:40:31
He got nothing from these. Two, I didn't laugh, so I think
1:40:37
it was very funny. Thank you.
1:40:38
It was scientific. It was.
1:40:40
I mean, it would kill you, but you know, if you did it right
1:40:43
anyway, doesn't matter. Maybe I'm wrong.
1:40:44
Maybe I got it wrong. Maybe you got it wrong.
1:40:47
I need something sugary after I eat a meal, even if it's just
1:40:50
like a mint because I just crave that.
1:40:52
Yeah, I feel like I'm the same. Yeah, Madison's the same.
1:40:55
But you, you've got more of like, you've got real savory
1:40:58
tooth on you. I'm much more of a savory girl,
1:41:02
but you definitely, you're always a dessert boy.
1:41:05
Always needs. I need something the more we.
1:41:08
Talk about something sweet. I'm like panicking or do
1:41:10
nothing. You wanna know something fucked
1:41:12
up and I should have brought this up to you.
1:41:13
Actually, I didn't get anything sweet after my dinner earlier.
1:41:18
I still haven't had it and I want it right now.
1:41:20
So bad with you. What?
1:41:22
The fuck? Can you imagine if we had?
1:41:24
A sweet fucking treat right now, can you?
1:41:26
We should have thought about. It we absolutely should have.
1:41:28
No, we're gonna be open either. I know.
1:41:30
For a sweet treat. This podcast should be us Uber
1:41:34
Eats. We it won't get.
1:41:39
Far. It won't get here in time.
1:41:41
I would have done it if we'd had this chat earlier.
1:41:43
We could have done it, but we're not.
1:41:44
It's not going to get here for the length of time we have left
1:41:47
on the fucking podcast. Damn, are you doing Eurofest
1:41:50
this? Yeah, I am.
1:41:51
So we just did Europe and we're going back for the festivals
1:41:54
are. We on anything together.
1:41:56
Do you know this? I doubt it because, and I'm only
1:41:59
saying that because you know that it never works.
1:42:01
It never works out and you know what we always get?
1:42:04
I don't. And maybe it's just indicative
1:42:05
of our band. We always get the worst fucking
1:42:07
days on festivals. I don't even look nowadays, I'll
1:42:10
look like the day of and just be like oh cool, like when the
1:42:14
flyer comes out I'll see it but like I don't actively think
1:42:17
about it. I'm pretty sure we're not.
1:42:19
And I do think about it all the time because I'm like, I love
1:42:22
it, especially when it's like, oh fuck, this band's here, this
1:42:24
man's here. It's like I think one of the
1:42:26
festivals all day. I don't even want to say it
1:42:30
because it's whatever, but it's just like old fucking heritage
1:42:34
band that no one really cares about, but it's like they have
1:42:37
to play a festival to sell to you.
1:42:39
So people do care about them and then bunch of bunch of fucking
1:42:42
bullshit and then the day before is literally like 9 inch nails
1:42:49
death tones. I'm sure fucking not really like
1:42:51
the best day I've ever seen in my life.
1:42:53
Usually goes that way. And then all day.
1:42:56
We usually have a the bad day. You get the stinker.
1:42:59
Day. We usually do have a bad day,
1:43:01
although I will say I am excited to come.
1:43:04
We are finally at the point now where I feel like we can have
1:43:09
tours in Europe that are good. So I think that some of the
1:43:13
slots on these festivals, the Europe tour and the UK tour that
1:43:17
we just did was amazing. And I feel like we're finally at
1:43:22
the point where we can play good shows over there, you know, and
1:43:26
I feel better like these, these are the first slots that we've
1:43:29
had at these festivals that are like, actually like decent.
1:43:32
Yeah. UK in Europe was slow for you
1:43:35
guys. So for everyone, right?
1:43:37
Usually. Yeah, but.
1:43:39
It took us about not. It took us about 8 or 9 years.
1:43:41
Slow for everyone if it's also slow kind of everywhere else.
1:43:45
But like stray is like worth dog shit in the US.
1:43:49
Well, we don't know because I'm tested in since fucking 2017.
1:43:53
But like in the UK and Europe, I'm a fucking star.
1:43:56
Yeah. I'm not, don't hate me, but like
1:43:59
we can do fucking 23000 cap in Europe and then if we did that
1:44:03
in fucking America, we'd be laughed out of the fucking room.
1:44:06
Yeah. Well, then don't do it.
1:44:07
But you, yeah, we don't. That's why we don't.
1:44:09
I mean, you can still tour the states, just tour this.
1:44:12
Just do the small room. But I.
1:44:13
Remember you were doing like 15102 K in the States and then
1:44:17
still playing like Underworld? Yeah, that's crazy.
1:44:21
I mean, UK, that's not exactly true.
1:44:24
UK, I'm not going to say UK is dying America because that would
1:44:30
be that. I don't like that where that
1:44:32
goes. But I what I will say is.
1:44:34
I mean, it is. Sure.
1:44:36
OK, I'll let I'll let you say it.
1:44:38
I'll let you say it. But like the cultures are very
1:44:41
intertwined. And so the the kind of rise what
1:44:47
was way more equal in the UK, but Europe, as you know, is like
1:44:51
way more of a culture shock, way different culturally.
1:44:54
So it was definitely a battle over there.
1:44:56
And while I also think that we did a lot of tours that maybe
1:44:59
weren't the best choices or maybe just like weren't maybe
1:45:03
not even that they weren't the best choices, but weren't the
1:45:05
best for growing our band and. We had a band we wanted to play
1:45:09
with instead of bands that could have.
1:45:11
Yeah, We also took tours because of, you know, an agent saying
1:45:16
that we should take them, and they weren't great.
1:45:19
And then we finally hit a point where we were just like, hey,
1:45:22
we're not doing this anymore. We're going to do our own tours
1:45:25
with bands that we like. And ever since then, it's been
1:45:28
going up and it's been fun. And now?
1:45:30
You make a sick fucking line up. Like I talked about with Brian a
1:45:34
lot when he was on here. Like, yeah, you'll always bring
1:45:36
up like a cool new small band. Yeah, that's the point.
1:45:41
Which is sick to see those bands playing.
1:45:42
You need AI mean create a show that you would want to see, you
1:45:47
know, and a lot of times our lineups now are like kind of a
1:45:50
different head. Buster in death heaven.
1:45:52
Yeah, that shit was crazy. That's like fucking dream.
1:45:57
It's not often a lineup exists these days where I'm like, I
1:46:02
want to watch every fucking band because of the way it's crafted.
1:46:05
Like this dude? It's also crazy that that lineup
1:46:10
beat down band, Shoe Gaze, Black metal Band.
1:46:14
Knock knock. Amazing.
1:46:16
Hilarious. Oh, very far.
1:46:18
One of the funnest touring parties we've ever been a part
1:46:21
of really. So chill.
1:46:23
Everyone was so awesome, I'll never forget it.
1:46:25
I don't believe I Death Heaven is one of my favorite modern
1:46:28
bands. Definitely unbelievable the
1:46:30
record that they put out is. So good So.
1:46:32
Good. Where, where are you putting in
1:46:34
extra somebody there? I think it's on par.
1:46:36
I think it's on par. I think it's on par.
1:46:38
It's phenomenal. I.
1:46:39
Have a take. I have a take.
1:46:40
Once you take my. Favorite.
1:46:42
Record is the one that people don't like.
1:46:44
Infinite granite. Yes, I love it.
1:46:46
It's. Unbelievable.
1:46:49
It's fucking great. It it sounds like a different
1:46:52
band. So fucking why?
1:46:54
Oh no, no, I'm just saying that like I can understand people not
1:46:59
liking it. They understand too.
1:47:02
They're like they're very self aware about it.
1:47:04
I love it. They they talk about it like,
1:47:05
yeah, everyone fucking hated that.
1:47:07
But I was like, I was on that. I was on that.
1:47:10
So I hadn't listened to that album until that tour.
1:47:13
And I'm not I'm not kidding you. I deal with like really bad
1:47:17
anxiety and insomnia over like that record literally would like
1:47:22
calm me down. It was, it's so it's such a
1:47:24
beautiful. Abusive music to Mombasa at the
1:47:28
end where you get a little glimpse of like Blast Beach.
1:47:32
It's fucking so good. Bands amazing.
1:47:34
George George is my favorite modern lyricist as well.
1:47:39
Like he's so fucking. He's so good on stage.
1:47:42
RT His lyrics are so like, they're so they're like poems.
1:47:48
Yeah. I'm just like, that's fucking
1:47:49
sick. He's he's such a, he's one of
1:47:52
those, he is the most interesting man in the world
1:47:55
guys, but he's just like that. I did the episode with Dan.
1:47:59
I didn't know George or any of that stuff.
1:48:01
And then like obviously fucking, I guess they didn't know that I
1:48:03
was such a mega fan. Dan came on and I like, gosh.
1:48:08
And he's like telling me shit about some Maver, like the
1:48:10
interludes and all this cool shit.
1:48:12
I just wanted to know as a fan. And then like I went to the show
1:48:15
and it's fucking awesome. And then I just got a little DM
1:48:17
from George and it was just like, hey man, missed you at the
1:48:20
show. We don't know each other.
1:48:23
I hope the podcast went well. Like stay in touch.
1:48:25
He is. You are the fucking man.
1:48:27
Dude, he is that guy. He is a truly wonderful person.
1:48:30
All those guys, truly wonderful people.
1:48:32
This is the Meshuga Gojira happy face.
1:48:35
Death, heaven, death. Heaven Pie fashion podcast.
1:48:38
Yeah, High fashion podcast. I hope he's in love, though.
1:48:41
I don't want you to tell me if he is or anything, but just like
1:48:43
when you read his lyrics, there's a lot of torment in
1:48:46
there. There's a lot of love in there,
1:48:48
but there's a lot of torment. I just hope he's happy.
1:48:51
Tortured artist, you know. Yeah, I know, but there's a part
1:48:53
of me I know there isn't. Yeah.
1:48:56
Stay tortured. Yeah.
1:48:57
It's like James Hetfield. No, I'm not going to say it, but
1:49:02
you know what I was going to say?
1:49:04
Yeah, yeah. This is the Metallica.
1:49:08
Metallica Meshuggar death heaven Hi, welcome to the Metallica
1:49:11
that Meshuggar death heaven podcast.
1:49:15
Anyway, you got festivals, go see.
1:49:17
Yeah, yeah, we're playing a bunch of festivals are going to
1:49:19
be cool. That's what we're doing all
1:49:20
year. We're playing festivals best the
1:49:22
US. Oh, I'm going to come to one in
1:49:24
the US that you're going. OK, you're playing.
1:49:27
Are you playing the in cars? Yes, most of the Danny Wimmer
1:49:30
stuff we're playing. So we're playing all those.
1:49:32
We're very excited about them. We have a lot of cool, a lot of
1:49:35
really cool slots on the US ones for the first time ever and a
1:49:40
lot of like pretty good ones on EU on the euro ones, the.
1:49:44
Danny Wimmer festivals this summer are like some of the best
1:49:48
lineups I've ever fucking seen. Yeah, there's some crazy.
1:49:50
Like stacked? There's some crazy ones.
1:49:52
There's some even side stages where I'm.
1:49:55
Just fully stacked. Oh my God, yeah.
1:49:57
Go and see him on tour. Yeah.
1:49:58
Blood clots. What was your blood clot story?
1:50:00
It was the a tearing fabric of life tours with movements
1:50:03
Kublikan and Coyo 2022, I think. Yeah, amazing headliner.
1:50:10
But basically it was a pretty, I was dealing with some bullshit
1:50:17
in my life that was not this. So it was, it was kind of a
1:50:20
tough one for me to get through personally, But then this made
1:50:23
it way worse. Basically at one point, like I
1:50:26
believe two weeks or so into the tour was a, it was a full U.S.
1:50:30
tour. I started getting this like
1:50:33
crazy lower back pain and I wasn't sure what it was.
1:50:39
And it started just like sometimes I would walk and it
1:50:43
would kind of erupt and then it got gradually worse for a couple
1:50:48
days. It would kind of go away during
1:50:50
the shows, come back, kind of go away whenever, just like a
1:50:53
general discomfort. And then eventually it, it, it
1:50:56
got so bad to the point where it was like kind of hurting to walk
1:51:00
and then I went. To.
1:51:02
Yeah, I went to an urgent care and they were just like, man,
1:51:07
you, you pulled something like just take it easy, you know,
1:51:11
take it easy. Take these pain meds.
1:51:13
You'll be fine. So I waited about two or three
1:51:15
more days and the pain continued, got worse and moved
1:51:22
to multiple places. So it moved to like, I believe
1:51:25
it moved to one of my shoulders. And at this point, it was
1:51:29
starting to get, like, actually scary.
1:51:33
Yeah, that's pretty scary. So I went to the urgent care
1:51:35
again and they were just like, you've pulled something like
1:51:39
you're not taking care of body, you're playing, you're thrashing
1:51:41
around, whatever. That's what's going on.
1:51:45
So take these pain meds and you, you know, you'll be fine.
1:51:48
So I do that and then it then spreads to the other shoulder.
1:51:53
So I have my lower back, this shoulder, this shoulder, and it
1:51:55
feels like other places are erupting and I'm like, what the
1:51:58
fuck is going on? And it also something starts
1:52:02
happening where I can't lay down.
1:52:05
If I lay down my breath gets super heavy and I start oh.
1:52:10
That's scary. Yeah, my breath gets super
1:52:12
heavy. I change color like I literally
1:52:16
like I I get blue, I start do going crazy.
1:52:19
I like constrict and my body erupts in pain so I can't lay
1:52:24
down. So at this point I'm in the bus
1:52:27
like trying to get sleep, sitting like straight up taking
1:52:31
pain meds 'cause that's all. So the next day, this is like
1:52:35
over the course of a week, the next day I call my doctor, you
1:52:39
know, at home, right? And I'm just like, hey, this is
1:52:43
what's going on, you know, tell me what the fuck is up, can you?
1:52:47
And she was like, go to the urgent Care now and tell them to
1:52:52
do this test, you know, tell them to look at your blood work,
1:52:56
tell them to actually do these blood tests, whatever.
1:53:00
So I go in and they, this was like before the show in Atlanta.
1:53:05
I go in and they do these like blood tests essentially.
1:53:09
And they're actually like taking my blood pressure and stuff for
1:53:12
the first time instead of just like writing me off.
1:53:15
And they're like, oh, you need to go to the hospital now.
1:53:18
Like right now. Like do not wait.
1:53:20
Go to the hospital immediately so I don't go and I play the
1:53:23
show that night. Classic die on band.
1:53:26
Yeah, go through another night of pain and then go to the ER
1:53:30
the next morning. It was an off day in New Orleans
1:53:32
and they were basically like, yeah, you have 4 pulmonary
1:53:37
embolisms in your lungs. Holy shit, you could have just
1:53:40
fucking had a strike. Yeah.
1:53:42
And they were just like, yeah, I mean, it's pretty good that you
1:53:46
came in now because to be honest, you might, you maybe
1:53:50
should like, already be dead. Shit.
1:53:53
And so we need to put you on these thinners immediately.
1:53:57
We need to put you on all the stuff.
1:53:58
We're going to hook you up to all the stuff.
1:53:59
So I spent that day, I spent that day there.
1:54:03
And then I spent the next day trying to get, they basically
1:54:10
prescribed me Eliquis, which is a blood thinner that I'm still
1:54:13
on to this day. And I spent like half the day
1:54:17
just trying to get insurance to agree to get.
1:54:22
The stress. Yeah, I mean, and that took like
1:54:24
5 or 6 hours. I had to walk from the hospital
1:54:28
to the pharmacy, back to the hospital to the pharmacy 3
1:54:32
separate times because they were both telling me different
1:54:34
things. But yeah, that's my blood clot
1:54:37
story. I'm still on Eliquis to this day
1:54:41
and. Will they swap that to aspirin
1:54:43
after a while or is that just you have to be on that forever?
1:54:46
They say that it's just safest to just be on it forever.
1:54:50
Because here's the thing, when blood clots show up, they can go
1:54:54
away. Like I don't have them right
1:54:56
now, but if you stop they can just pop back up.
1:54:59
I'm glad you're better. Thank you.
1:55:01
You've at least got at least you don't drink.
1:55:03
But if you if you would like drinking, yeah.
1:55:06
And on blood thinners, yeah, you'd probably be dead.
1:55:09
Yeah, I mean, it was a very scary part in the, you know,
1:55:12
point in my life where I was also going through like, some
1:55:14
emotional turmoil and this was not making it any better.
1:55:17
So it was very scary. What's crazy?
1:55:19
Tour was amazing, but for like, a good like, week and a half
1:55:23
there, I was literally just like, terrified and afraid and
1:55:27
shaking and just so crazy. But luckily, like the Eliquis
1:55:31
helped and luckily I'm not dead sick. 2 Truths and a lie.
1:55:36
So you gave me this earlier and I've I've wrapped my brain one.
1:55:42
My birth father at one point played drums for the praise and
1:55:48
worship collective Hillsong United.
1:55:51
OK, very specific 2. 2 Brian Garris, the singer of my band
1:55:58
Nachulus, at one point broke two of my fingers.
1:56:02
They know that your band is not used by this point.
1:56:04
That's fine. To.
1:56:05
The Layman 3 isn't this far in the podcast anyway, sorry I
1:56:08
digress. Three, I tripped on my own spin
1:56:12
kick moshing day one of a tour and gave myself a concussion.
1:56:20
Want me to repeat it? No, I'm going to go.
1:56:22
We're going to go through and reverse order the spin kick.
1:56:25
Yep. Were you moshing to your own
1:56:27
band? No.
1:56:28
OK, like moshing. So you're on tour though, you
1:56:30
said? So it was day one of a tour that
1:56:35
started in Louisville. Yeah, I was moshing to my
1:56:37
friends band by myself. What was the Friends Band?
1:56:41
Worm WVRM. Insanely underrated grand power
1:56:46
balance band from Carolina. That's a good name, Yeah.
1:56:48
Recorded by Kurt Blue. Oh wow, that's cool.
1:56:50
That'll be good Shout out. So you you tripped on it and
1:56:54
fell over or you like? I did a spin kick, all I
1:56:57
remember was starting the kick and then waking up.
1:57:01
And you were on the floor. No, they brought me to a
1:57:04
different place. Oh, wow, You woke up in a
1:57:06
different room? Yes.
1:57:07
That's kind of sick. Yeah.
1:57:09
OK, next one I'm going to go reverse.
1:57:11
What up? Brian Garris broke two of your
1:57:12
fingers. Broke two of my fingers.
1:57:14
How did you do it? He broke two of my fingers by
1:57:16
dropping. We were trying to soundproof a,
1:57:20
we were trying to soundproof a, like old jam space.
1:57:25
It was basically a situation of like, don't drop it yet.
1:57:29
Classic. And he dropped.
1:57:30
He dropped it. Now, I think I know that story,
1:57:35
so I believe that one to be true.
1:57:37
Yeah. So let's go to your.
1:57:40
My birth father. Your birth father was the
1:57:42
drummer in. Hillsong United.
1:57:45
What is that? Hillsong United is is like the
1:57:48
world's biggest, like gospel worship band.
1:57:55
They're based in Australia. In Australia.
1:57:57
Yes, but they've had a million session musicians and whatever,
1:57:59
and at one point my breath fought a drum.
1:58:01
He was the OG drummer. Not no, not the OG.
1:58:04
He was just at one point he played.
1:58:06
Drums for me. What was he doing in Australia?
1:58:08
He wasn't, but they have. They go forever.
1:58:11
Yeah, it's. Crazy Australia would be
1:58:12
searching. They do like, they do like
1:58:14
stadiums, like we're talking like huge.
1:58:17
What's the music like? Like, I don't, I don't.
1:58:19
Well, like. Our God isn't.
1:58:21
Us yes all guys want. Me.
1:58:24
Our God isn't awesome God. He reigns yet.
1:58:31
Come on, carry on. There you got it.
1:58:33
I'm kind of hoping for a big box battle earlier, the Brian Garris
1:58:36
one. I'm pretty sure he's told me
1:58:38
that story before. Is I'm going to go true?
1:58:39
OK, I'm going to say Hillsong Band lie OK and spin kick true
1:58:46
because it's definitely something you would do.
1:58:49
Hit me. You're wrong.
1:58:51
The Brian Garris story. He didn't break the fingers, he
1:58:57
broke my toe. Everyone loves every single
1:59:03
guest comes in with like a clever fake truth.
1:59:08
Which is fuck do you want? Us to do like a completely
1:59:12
fabricated story so that the one about your birth father playing
1:59:16
drums in that band. That's true, yes.
1:59:18
Interesting. Yeah.
1:59:19
Were you adopted or? I was adopted.
1:59:23
How did you? What age did you rekindle?
1:59:26
I was a baby and I was a baby when I was adopted, and I stayed
1:59:30
close with my birth father's family, basically.
1:59:34
That's interesting. Yeah, they're cool.
1:59:36
Like my, my grandmother is my technically my birth
1:59:40
grandmother, OK. And she's the shit.
1:59:42
Is there a story there? Is that too private?
1:59:45
No, not private at all. Because that's like.
1:59:47
He's dope. Respectfully.
1:59:49
I don't know where my mom is. He's my birth father's dope.
1:59:52
I mean, I haven't talked to him for quite a long time, but we
1:59:55
had a good relationship for a while, yeah.
1:59:57
So why would you put up for adoption?
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They were young. They were mad young when they
2:00:02
had me, like 17 years old. Really.
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Yeah. Proper young.
2:00:06
Proper young. Thank you.
2:00:07
There it is. You were supposed to open up the
2:00:08
fucking podcast with it. That's just an interesting
2:00:11
dynamic. It's quite it's quite nice.
2:00:13
Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it's it's something that
2:00:15
most people that when they, when they figure out you're adopted,
2:00:18
they're like, oh dude, I'm sorry.
2:00:19
Like, yeah. But for me, I'm just like, yeah,
2:00:21
it's cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
2:00:23
So like. It explains me having a a black
2:00:26
brother. That would explain it, yeah.
2:00:29
People were very confused about that when I when we were
2:00:33
younger. Yeah.
2:00:37
Me. Too.
2:00:38
Yeah, Madison is the same. Yeah, people would be really
2:00:41
not. Adopted but very, very mixed
2:00:44
family. I've got black siblings.
2:00:46
I've got an Italian sibling, I've got Asian siblings.
2:00:49
It's exciting, yeah. And when you're young, people
2:00:51
don't understand that. I mean, I'm like 38 and I kind
2:00:55
of didn't understand it when I met a family for the first time.
2:00:58
I was like. My family.
2:00:59
You guys are all relate. My family's fucking crazy, man.
2:01:03
My brother's black, my dad's in a wheelchair, so not that sick.
2:01:07
Yeah, not that sick, but he's sick still.
2:01:09
It's a lot of diversity though. Yeah, that's.
2:01:11
What I'm saying should start a band.
2:01:14
I could start a band with my dad.
2:01:15
My wait At one point my brother knew how to play bass and my dad
2:01:20
knows how to play guitar, so we could.
2:01:21
Have done. You should write, I don't know
2:01:23
how far this is going to go out of pocket before I even start,
2:01:25
but you should write one of these albums that you're writing
2:01:28
with these EPS. And then take the promo photo
2:01:31
and then just say, this is my new band, something the most
2:01:35
diverse band on earth. Got a girl you can slap in there
2:01:38
as well. You got it.
2:01:41
Madisons in the band. Alright, You got Madison.
2:01:45
You got your dad in a wheelchair.
2:01:47
Black brother. Yep.
2:01:48
Fuck me. It's just.
2:01:52
Didn't say anything bad. No, I didn't either.
2:01:55
But why do I feel so bad? Simon.
2:02:00
You don't Do we cut that? Is that a cut?
2:02:04
He's saying. You should ask Simon if if.
2:02:08
He should start saying like Simon.
2:02:11
Should should we cut? Some Simon should we cut instead
2:02:16
of saying I'm going to stick by it.
2:02:18
Simon Cut don't cut it. But what do you think, Simon?
2:02:24
I love this dynamic. It makes it cooler that I have
2:02:27
no idea. Oh, it's.
2:02:28
So funny, but we've got like 5 minutes left.
2:02:31
OK, what do you want to talk about?
2:02:32
Metallica, probably. OK, what do we want to talk
2:02:35
about? This is the Meshuga sugar Gojira
2:02:40
happy face Nile. Captain Berry, man.
2:02:45
Captain Crunchy munchy munchy crunchy munchy.
2:02:48
Crunchy munchy, crunchy munchy. Ultra Diversity band.
2:02:52
Yes, podcast. Podcast toll to work with the
2:02:57
when it. Starts to Metallica.
2:02:59
Metallica, What do we want to talk about with them?
2:03:02
Any new Metallica news that you any new Metallica like?
2:03:06
Any new thoughts about it? Like, have you made a recent
2:03:09
discovery? Or something.
2:03:13
I could seriously do a Metallica podcast that starts with no info
2:03:17
and just do. You know what I mean?
2:03:18
I had one. Because I'm trying to think, oh,
2:03:20
a Metallica podcast. I had one with both from harm's
2:03:22
way. This there's three.
2:03:23
Episodes. Oh amazing, was it cool?
2:03:25
It was called Phantom Lords. This was supposed to be the
2:03:27
Downmate, was supposed to be cold.
2:03:30
And just just for Lars. Yeah, we talked about this.
2:03:32
We, we this is the thing. And we just talk about Lars.
2:03:34
Yeah, that's the shit. Every.
2:03:36
Episode What's your favorite Metallica record?
2:03:40
It's gotta be justice. I'm a justice guy, but I'm also
2:03:43
a black album apologist. Who's apologizing for the Black
2:03:47
Album? Everyone my age.
2:03:48
No fucking way. Because they're like, oh, it's
2:03:50
not thrash or whatever, but it's so sick.
2:03:52
Who gives a fuck? Will Putney doesn't like the
2:03:54
black guy. I mean, he does, but he's like,
2:03:56
there's. No way he likes good sounding
2:03:58
things. Black albums like commonly.
2:04:00
Maybe I'm misremembering, I'm pretty sure.
2:04:02
You like load and reload? Yes, like me too, I.
2:04:05
Do. Like, you know what's crazy?
2:04:07
Load and reload are like. Especially Reload has like, dark
2:04:11
songs. Yeah, they're like weird and
2:04:14
creepy. And the videos, yes Unforgiven 2
2:04:16
videos so. Fun until it sleeps Video.
2:04:18
Until it's oh sorry, I'm thinking about Until it sleep
2:04:20
and the Unforgiven video from load So sick.
2:04:23
Until it Sleeps is an insane fucking video.
2:04:26
A great song too. I have you played with them yet?
2:04:29
Haven't played with them, haven't.
2:04:31
Seen that? You're like they're lost.
2:04:32
So, oh, yeah, here's what here, here's, here's what I'll say.
2:04:35
We can talk about this. I'm about to see them in
2:04:37
Nashville coming up and I'm very excited.
2:04:40
I want to come. I'm going to come, OK?
2:04:42
We're going to come. Do not come.
2:04:43
I'm going to figure out. I'm gonna come.
2:04:47
And on it, you got a Trump impression in you.
2:04:50
No. You know who can do the best?
2:04:51
One Dragon neck. Really.
2:04:53
It's crazy. I mean, anyone can go.
2:04:56
I'm gonna come. No, but dragon.
2:04:58
That's not. Sounds like Donald Trump and we
2:05:00
get him his thing. The bit that we make him do.
2:05:03
Can't wait to get him on the podcast.
2:05:04
The bit that I make Dragon Neck do podcast.
2:05:07
Yeah, because I only ever see Dragon Neck on tour, and I'd
2:05:10
never do them on tour because I did a couple when I just look
2:05:13
bad. Yeah, and now I'm committed to
2:05:15
the quality. But we make Dragon Neck do a
2:05:18
thing where it's Trump and it's always about Pokémon.
2:05:22
So we'll do like Trump picking his start of Pokémon and Dragon
2:05:27
Neck will just like fucking. The man is a comedy genius.
2:05:30
We'll just riff on like being Donald Trump, like picking, but
2:05:34
why he doesn't want to pick Bulgas or and I wish.
2:05:36
It's just very funny. I missed that game on that.
2:05:38
He's the fucking man. Take us on fucking door, OK?
2:05:40
We're not worth fucking Jack shit.
2:05:42
But please don't you guys, OK? This was the the Sugar Sugar
2:05:48
Gojira Happy Face Metallica Metallica Crunchy Crunchy
2:05:58
Grammys fashion My brother is black.
2:06:07
High fat dads. In a wheelchair, his.
2:06:09
Brothers Black his daddy's in the.
2:06:10
Wheelchair check them out Yeah, that's what it was.
2:06:14
Thank you. So and this.
2:06:16
Is thank you so much. You're the best.
2:06:18
I appreciate shout out. You're the both of you.
2:06:20
Thank you. Thank you.
2:06:21
I love you. Goodbye.
2:06:22
Bye. Bye, Goodbye.
2:06:23
Sorry, Simon.