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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP38 - TAC Talk With Topher Henry · Random Heathen Ramblings

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Hey, Lynn. Hello everyone.
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So wherever you're listening and watching from and midgard hail
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and hello today, it is now the second week of December,
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December 9th, We are closing up on the end of season 2 of the
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random Heathen ramblings podcast.
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So for all of you across the world who made 20, 21 and an
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exciting and interesting year of growth for this podcast, a very
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special hail and thank you to you guys and gals out here.
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We're going to be welcoming in a guest here.
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On today's episode who has an interesting past or history with
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myself midgard musings. We've known each other ever
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since the Getting of midgard musings.
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I think even a little bit before then and he's, he's provided a,
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well, he's the one, he's the reason why we, the midgard,
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musings, binary and exists, the brand logo, the double mahnaz,
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binary. And so, we're going to be
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welcoming in the president current president of a national
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organization called the Asatru Community or tack for short.
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So Topher Henry is the president of this organization, then we're
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going to be rambling on with him a bit today.
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Talking about various Heathen related things.
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I know very recently, probably, one of the biggest quote-unquote
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claims to fame that the organization has, as they
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Topher, was recently, involved, or interviewed.
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I guess you could say by journalist with the guardian
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over. Some very interesting things
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going on in North, There was a recent piece done, I guess you
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could say on the AFA and Topher and other, I guess members of
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tack were involved to a degree on what this piece was about and
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some of the goings-on up in the midwest.
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So I'm going to go into too much detail right now.
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We'll go ahead and start our intro and then welcome in Topher
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for him. To kind of give us a background
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of that and talk about some other things and kind of see
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where the ramblings go. So let's get into today's
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episode. so like I said, I'm excited to
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talk with Topher today because you know I know the organization
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tack has come under some A variety of scrutiny over the
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years and I know that leadership has changed with the
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organization to some degree and just be, it's going to be
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interesting, you know, this is a very unscripted and on very
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organic sort of thing. You guys know from tuning in,
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listening, in just how organic it is.
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There's very little script that goes into this, you know, it's
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freeform, it's random. We're going to just kind of see
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where things go with it, and hopefully, we're going.
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Learn some things and enjoy each other's company and, you know,
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see that sort of stuff. So, let's welcome in from tack
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the also true Community, the president Topher Henry.
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All right, folks. Well, welcome to the show,
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Topher from the also true Community tack, hello, and
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welcome to the random even ramblings podcast.
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My friend, thank you so much. It's great to be here to speak
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to you again. It's been a been a while since
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we chatted. I know.
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I know I was, I was saying a little bit before I always do
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like a little, you know, intro to just going to give people
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like all the housekeeping stuff like a go check out my this and
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I check out my dad, the comments description, the Beloved, all
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the housekeeping stuff. And I yeah, you know, just kind
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of segue into this with We've got a little bit of a history
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you and I that goes back to even before the midgard musings days.
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And I wanted to just remind well you probably haven't forgotten
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but remember this. Oh yeah, I do.
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Nice. You still have that.
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Yep. So this I was telling the
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viewers and listeners before you came on that you know, Topher
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here is the reason why the Midgard.
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Musings brand as a brand like has a bind room, the double
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Manos buying room like you came up with that and gifted this is
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one of the first things that I ever got for like the channel.
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However, in the very, very early days, right?
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When I first started, it was like me to 15 other people, I
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think. And yeah, yeah, it was, it was,
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you know, that, that small group and then it's come to be what it
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is. Now the currently, you know, the
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YouTube channel is 44 going on 4500, you know, Subscribers and
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and you know, the community is growing and on the social media
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side and that's really the lot to do with, not just you but
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like everyone's involvement, you know, being involved in wanting
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to see things and asking for things, but I did.
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I wanted to show that tank because I still have it.
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Actually, that's great 270 lat. Yeah, actually sits on my altar.
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Nice, there's a place of it on my altar.
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So, in some videos, if I hand down to it might come up there
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but it always it's had a place. Hello my altar, you know has so
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much change in its construction over the years and the format of
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it all it's always been on there somewhere.
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So very cool man. I appreciate that.
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That's great. Yeah yeah it just seemed like
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that those that was just perfect for.
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I mean, midgard musings. That just seemed to work.
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I mean the meaning of bananas and everything and they're just
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very, very appropriate. I would say today on over here.
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Yeah it does it makes it. I think the like you said the
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meaning of the word, obviously the The M meaning of it.
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What Manos represents the M sound, right?
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So maybe our museums double M. It just makes like literal sense
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but the, the the I guess, the esoteric or spiritual meanings
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of of the runes, you know, however, far you want to look
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into it. And me being, you know, into
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that. Like, I haven't always in my
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Heathen re always been into the rooms, but for the larger period
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of time that I have been Heathen, the rooms have always
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played a strong role in my, you know, belief structure.
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Yeah, well, I think when another thing I are just remembered
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from, I believe it was the package.
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I sent that to you. And I wrote the entire letter
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and Elder futhark. Yep, yeah.
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So, so, imagine me, right at the time, where I'm like, very young
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into, like learning the runes and I and all this kind of stuff
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and I was like, oh okay. Yeah.
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And then and then and then trying to transliterate the the,
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you know, Modern English into Elder futhark, right?
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It was used to write in a Proto European, right?
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So Indo-European language, it's like, that was, that was fun fun
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project, I guess? Yeah, that whole letter, I may
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have even if I remember correctly, I may have even tried
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to have to go back through my video catalogs and see.
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And I know I have a letter somewhere, I'll find it, maybe
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do a video where I read it again but I was like trying to read it
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on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Thank you. Open the package or at least
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like opened it all Uh up and and tried to read it a marine life.
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Yeah, sorry to put you on the spot because I do I remember it.
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Now I was, I was like, oh yeah, I have to come back to this
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because I was like, what am I reading here?
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You know, kind of like know what the word.
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The letters the runes represent. Yeah.
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Phonetically and sounding it all out.
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It was like, all right, I'm gonna have to come back to this.
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So I don't know if I ever did to be honest.
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I may have to revisit that but yeah, you send me all kinds of
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goodies to there was like some, yeah.
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Food items and stuff. From, I mean spice, honestly,
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something he was neat to just to let you know.
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I personally, I think you've done an amazing job with this
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Channel. And what you continue to do with
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the random ramblings here, and not just because you've been
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open to a bunch of different point of views.
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You're open to discussing different point of views and
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different. you know, even belief systems not because just of
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that, but because you've done all of that without excluding
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anyone or disrupting frith, You keep that fretful man and I
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really appreciate that. Thank you do a great job of
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that. So you know, I know that you've
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had a storied history, a little bit with the a statute
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community. Did you ever were you actually
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ever remember for any amount of time?
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I know you are a partner at one point.
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Yeah. So I don't recall ever like, you
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know, signing up as a, like, a charter member or as As a, you
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know, for lack of a better term and, you know, a paid member of
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the organization I did initially, you know, kind of
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team up as a partner there for a little bit.
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Yeah. And and then just I think the
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way where I was going in my spirituality and my growth I was
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like this isn't really where I'm not that it wasn't like a
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welcoming place. I was just finding a different
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direction to go in in my belief and I was learning it in a way
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that I was like. I don't really see myself here
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doing the thing with Back in that capacity at that moment and
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so I've kind of I kind of just went off but now I don't
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remember ever becoming a member, I remember getting the
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partnership letter or something in the mail but since then I
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know like I alluded to it before you came on here that there's
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been a significant change or at least the leadership structure
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to to the organization and you currently are the organization's
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President, right? That is correct.
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And as of Pretty much the first of the year.
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I will not only be the president, but the sole owner of
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the Asatru Community, we've already transferred.
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The basically the title of everything over from California,
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here to Indiana where I live and the moving forward.
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That's where B is a true Community will be based ceph
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chalky. Our founder is As path as you
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know, branched off, he's he's going for full time student,
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getting his master's degree in paleoanthropology which is
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another big passion of his and you know it's just eat pussy.
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March of 2022, will be 10 years from the date in which he
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founded this true Community as a 16 year old.
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Wow. Yeah I didn't know that it was
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that you know I didn't know that it's been a decade now in.
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Yeah, it's gross. So and there's been a lot of
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changes on the board. We've had some people had to
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step down, Alex Day, who's been our board director for quite a
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while. He had to step down due to some
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family and physical issues that he's working through.
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What we've got. I'm really happy with and think
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that Our current board that we have.
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We're going to do some great things.
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We did some really amazing things just this past year.
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Like the biggest thing for me before us, I think is the CFC
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program that we got set up with a witch, the combined Federal
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campaign in, which is those that don't know.
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It's basically like United Way for all federal workers
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military, First Responders, those type of people the ostrich
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or Community is now the first even religions organization that
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is in that catalog, that military members and and police
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officers and are all part of that can actually donate to.
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And that I believe is going to go a long way from taking us.
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from what has always been a large Gathering of people on the
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internet that get together in their own little pockets and
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communities, to establishing hired, our first official
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foothold and have an actual off, where people can come from all
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over the country one, especially one that, you know, allows
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anyone to come through those doors would be nice instead of a
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fourth one, from the AFA You time soon.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. We're going to talk a little bit
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about that here in a little while.
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I think because, you know, you had a role in a recent
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journalist piece that I guess you could call it her interview
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that the guardian did that. Yeah.
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Was was, you know, they were they were talking to members of
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the AFA and there was that church that they just opened.
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The think it's in Minnesota or yeah.
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Murdock Minnesota. Yeah.
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And you And some other tack members or Representatives went
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up there and sort of like a anti-protest or a peaceful
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protest against the city and made a stand.
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We did about that. And I think it's important, you
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know, because the, the public image of of Germanic Heathen re
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whether it's, you know, Scandinavia whether it's
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Mainland Germania, whether it's whatever portion of Northern
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Europe. You kind of find yourself.
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Gravitating towards has this to the on educator to the untrained
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eye. Just has this stick.
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Attached to it. And, you know, having people
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come up there to not just you know, I'm sure you probably
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didn't do it for the for the views or for the publicity, but
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the fact that it got ya publicity.
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Yes, is important, I think for the future of heathen Ritu an
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important degree. It's it's you know, so much of
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what People find online and you can encounter online is exactly
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that. It's also for meetings all this
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internet. That's what you certain when you
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search for anything even re so true.
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You know the first thing that you're going to get is the AFA
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or someone like them. And yeah, I We've had this thing
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with Tac for a long time. We call our Shield wall and, you
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know, we've raised Against the Machine online as much as we
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can. And, you know, didn't make do
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much anything good on their other than making, you know,
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different people angry and, you know, leave and anger and slam
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the door behind them and stop. But, you know, I thought it was
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high time that we actually put the shield wall into action, you
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know. We do have to walk a fine line
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with us being, you know, a 501 3, C religious organization.
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You know about what we do that is considered political, which
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if you watch that video, it's very interesting that the people
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from the AFL AFA bring up why of people bringing politics into
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our religions like know that's what you're doing.
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Yeah, but you know I reach Shout out to people within our
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community. Because, you know, the last
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thing I wanted to do was to get people together and have it be
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unorganized, and have people feel like they are being forced
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to be there. I wanted people to be there that
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really wanted to stand up against, you know, racial
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bigotry and Heathen re and any form and Another large group,
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most of them were Tac members as well, but I do have to give
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major. Shout out to the Wolves of the
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north kindergarten because there were some there was about eight
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members from the Wolves of the north hundred that were part of
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that protest there as well. We talked to, a lot of people
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there was we my favorite part of the day it was honestly when
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Somebody drove by first. They drove by flipping us off
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and honking their horns hattis. And we're standing there with
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rainbow flags and love signs everywhere but then they circled
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the block and came back around and he like slowed down enough
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to where one guy could go out the window.
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So I just kindly walked up to the window and you know did not
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go at them with any anger or anything.
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It's like, you know, Well, he his whole thing is, what
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happened, what about, you know, freedom of religion and I said,
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I am absolutely for freedom of religion, but I'm against any
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religion that excludes people, especially for the race.
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And there was four people on this car.
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One of them was Hispanic and they all said, they didn't know
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that. Which I found that a little hard
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to believe because I know there was lots of protests in there in
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the city and stuff for that but you know, different people hear
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different things, I guess. But anyway, I informed them of
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that. And I said, you know, your
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friend I'm assuming is Hispanic of some of some kind.
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I said he would not be welcome in that church.
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It wouldn't even be allowed to sit down with even if he follows
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even re and has volunteered. It for decades.
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You're not allowed in that building. and they didn't know
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that and, you know, they brought up some points about things
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which, you know, For Community. I know makes a big deal because
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they brought up that he said, you know there's there's this
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huge Catholic Church down just down the street.
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They never do anything for the community said, but this church
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comes in and they start doing food drives and things like
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that. And, you know, by and coach for
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people and buying shoes for people.
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And unlike I am absolutely for people doing that kinds of
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things, you know, I am not saying that's a bad thing, but
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What this you got to understand that this is what they do when
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they come into a community. It's a, it's an agenda, they
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come in, we're going to make good with Community by, you
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know, doing a soup kitchen, or a food drive, and, or a coat
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drive, or something like that. And we're just not going to talk
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about what we're doing back there behind closed doors.
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Yeah, and, you know, so having those opportunities to talk to
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people like that and let people, I know that it was better and
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then you know, the guardian thing which they tube.
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They both came about together of just about the same time because
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It was a the an editor And the reporter who interviewed me and
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there that just randomly contact me through Facebook messenger
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and and they had I guess they had searched for you know
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different Heathen communities and found me found the name
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itself. So that's how they got me.
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And then we had a call just like Us and, you know, they asked me
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if I was interested in it and but they didn't tell me at
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first, that it was going to have anything to do with the AFA,
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they told me that it was going to be just about heathen re in
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the United States, which? Yes, it is about even really
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nice States, right? But, you know, I didn't know
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that going in wouldn't have made a difference, but You know, I
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told him I was definitely up for speaking to them and they asked
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me if there was any type of event that we were doing that I
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was going to be at were other heathens would be that they
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could speak to and I was like, well I've got two events coming
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up. I've got the northern European
24:29
religious Festival, which is in Spring Springville Indiana,
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which I go to every year. I'm going to be at that.
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And then the first week of July, I'm going to Minnesota to
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protest against the fa and they were like, okay, great.
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And then that's when I found out that really the documentaries,
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more about the FAA and there. No.
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That would be as they titled it. I was literally titled the last
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all white church in the United States and you know, it was
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about them. I was very happy to be, you
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know, my part in there to show people that you know, first of
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all there's more Bus out there than there are them by a long
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shot. It's not even close.
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I mean, we're at over 5,000 members, they've got like nine
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hundred code horse. How many of those are not signed
25:30
up anywhere, we don't know. But, you know, documented as it
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worked. We've right.
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Exactly. But, you know, I know that
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there's a lot more of us out there than wanted to do, as much
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as I can to make sure that When people want to learn more about
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Asatru or northern European paganism, the AFA isn't the
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first hand thing that shows up when they search for, you know,
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right. Well, you know, some of the
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things that I wanted to key in on with with regards to this
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all, you know, all of this. You know, you we talked earlier
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and you kind of and I want to just, you know, say thank you
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for your recognition of what I do and the inclusion and or
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inclusiveness that I Harbor, right.
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Because I feel that once again the doors are open to anyone
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that's willing to want to learn and participate with the
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exclusion of any sort of hatred and bigotry.
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And those are things I've made that stand.
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I've been very clear about that and whether I've signed a
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digital document or I set it on a video or whatever the case may
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be, like, it's clear what my personal stances and midgard
26:40
musings as a brand. Or what I do out here is is not
26:45
to exclude People based off of Of their race or their or their,
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you know, Heritage and I think what a lot of people get hung up
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on is they try to, they try to, they try to put a shoe on the
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foot that doesn't fit. They try to say that.
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Oh, well, you know, there's other cultures that have closed,
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rituals and closed, belief systems and it's in, its it,
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it's excluded their exclusive, they don't, they don't include
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people outside of that thing. And it's like, yeah, but you got
27:12
to understand what that is its tribal Traditions its tribal
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things. Whether it's balmy out of Sweden
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or whether it's indigenous, Native Americans, those various
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tribes, those are different, there is no real.
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I mean, with the exception of maybe the Sami people, there is
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no that I know of at least any examples of closed religious
27:36
ceremonies in Germanic paganism. Usually, even in pre-christian
27:42
times, the the public the bloats, the rituals that were
27:46
held work. Community events.
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It was everybody in the area and they were great but that were
27:50
included in it as well. Now, what was done in each
27:53
individual Hearth, or each individual home, or maybe in
27:56
each individual tribe because don't forget, you know, you look
27:59
at the Germanic peoples like the troske and then some of these
28:02
other Germanic tribes at that were spread out all across,
28:08
Germania the in tacitus, even writes about this.
28:11
Like yeah they had their Customs, they had their ways and
28:13
they had their things that they did that were maybe different
28:15
than another. I burn another group that's
28:18
that's different. It's like they weren't exclusive
28:21
because they, they look different.
28:22
If they had a different skin color, they couldn't Trace their
28:24
ancestry back to Labadee, block that, no, baloney, and so, it's
28:29
like you got it. You're comparing apples to
28:31
oranges and you putting shoes. Again, you're trying to fit
28:33
shoes on feet that just don't fit.
28:35
Yeah. Yeah.
28:36
And that's if I haven't shared this with you, I would like to
28:42
take the opportunity to prove to me the Reasons against that or
28:48
her explained. Never more perfectly than when I
28:53
had the opportunity to speak with members of the Asatru
28:57
Fellowship in Iceland. But the office to delegate is
29:01
that yes, astral, yeah, got to sit down like like a whole
29:07
afternoon. They have a, just like an open
29:10
Hall where you can come into on on Saturdays.
29:14
They have coffee and donuts and you can In there and certain
29:17
chat, they were kind enough to invite us in and you know the it
29:24
saddened me. First of all that their
29:27
impression of American Asatru was that we're all racist and
29:35
you know I and they were very excited to hear though that the
29:41
group that I was part of. And at the time I was an
29:46
ambassador. After that, we had at that
29:50
point, almost 4,000 members and we are completely inclusive.
29:53
Like they are, they didn't even know.
29:56
There were inclusive heathens and, and the United States.
30:00
And when we start talking about that, the gentleman that I was
30:04
speaking to about it. He said, this is how we look at
30:09
the gods that we worship, are many different races.
30:14
Thursday sir, there's van are there's the Roker.
30:17
There's elves or dwarves you know, Giants yo, doing all these
30:22
different races that we worship and venerate.
30:28
So why would I tell any other race that they couldn't worship
30:33
these gods that are of multi races to?
30:36
It makes zero sense. But you know I have to me that
30:42
just You got to, you got to go to Iceland, I did be a part of
30:49
their, like, open Hall, like you say or there.
30:51
Yeah. See that's that's that's kind of
30:52
one of the things that I really love to see more of and
30:55
unfortunately, with the way the world is gone in the last like,
30:58
two years now, almost with the pandemic like public moots
31:01
meetups things where you can just have a welcoming open.
31:06
It's like open door policy, you know, anybody and everybody,
31:09
whether you're Pagan or not, you know, if you're curious, maybe
31:11
you're not sure if you want to branches boy, Just like, who are
31:14
these people and what are they about?
31:15
You want to just come and have you know some coffee or you want
31:18
to grab a bite to eat? Or we're just sitting here and
31:20
you know just socializing and you want to know who we are.
31:23
Like come and meet us, you know, the people in your community
31:26
sort of thing because we're are we're all over and there's again
31:32
the pandemic kind of put a like a halt to that for a little
31:34
while. But you know there's there's
31:36
there's so much value to that I feel because again it's not just
31:39
about what you do with your clothes immediate people.
31:43
It's how it's your impression of the community are on the
31:46
community. Right?
31:47
Because we, you know, walk around with hammers around our
31:49
necks or we you know different you know trinkets or symbols and
31:55
ambulance and whatever. And that again with to the
31:58
untrained or uneducated I could raise some eyebrows.
32:02
You know what do you about? What do you think and it their
32:06
conversation starters for sure. So having that public presence,
32:10
you know that and that's you In about, you know, Tac changing
32:17
and that's really from, I've been officially been a president
32:21
now for I think it's two years officially now it's always time.
32:27
Doesn't mean much of anything more, right?
32:29
Yeah, right, yeah. But uh yeah it's been two years
32:33
and my mission from the get-go has been.
32:36
I called it the season of frif and it's been about building
32:39
frif with other like-minded communities.
32:43
Which is why you know wanted to go and speak and I still
32:47
continue to build a bridge with the the Oscar community and
32:51
Iceland but you know the fact that there's other large groups
32:57
out there that are like minded like this that have been back
33:01
fighting for silly stupid reasons for so long when working
33:06
my hardest to fix a lot of that and I think fruition is coming
33:12
this July. Something I've been working on
33:15
for quite a while as bringing Tac in the trough together.
33:20
Wow. The trough is the reason I'm
33:24
also true. I found them before.
33:26
I found anything else, I purchased their books, and
33:30
that's how I learned oxygen. And when I became a Tac member,
33:37
When I found out that there was like this, some type of, you
33:42
know, Bad Blood between the two groups, I never understood it
33:47
and it comes down to, you know, individuals that and you know in
33:50
most cases those individuals aren't around anymore.
33:54
And so for our communities, continue to not work together
34:01
towards a common goal, just seems like Madness to me.
34:05
So I'm working on getting an official invite to trough Moot
34:10
and July. I've been speaking to one of the
34:14
steersman actually a couple hundred or steersman and a
34:16
former steersman over the last couple months and looks like
34:21
it's definitely going to happen. So I want to get down there and
34:25
spread some breath and get to get to know some of their
34:28
members and talk more about. You know, what we can do
34:33
combined to fight against the stigma that stuck to our
34:40
communities. That's great that you guys are
34:43
partnering up and have that opportunity and there's one
34:47
thing and I can't help but like, avoid this part of the
34:51
conversation there and there's so much that I can't can't in on
34:53
that unlike given enough time and given enough, you know, we
34:58
could probably go on forever about various topics of such and
35:01
whatnot, but it's almost like we got to address an elephant in
35:04
the room and you know, we talk about the the way Tak has been
35:11
viewed or seen over the years and because of the association
35:15
of certain people or members, or former members, or former
35:19
leaders, even members of, you know, the board and where
35:23
they've come from, and what they've done on in their
35:25
association with Tack and how that's tarnished or soiled, the
35:30
the public view of tack as a whole right now, I Don't like
35:37
the name names, but anybody that's, I'll just, you know, say
35:40
it like Ivy Mulligan was on this channel, she was in on a podcast
35:43
when she was on this channel some time ago.
35:47
Way before things took us our turn and I did like a an EPC.
35:52
You know, I did an emergency press conference about some
35:54
behavior that transpired and things that Ivy did and of
35:58
course it came out where, you know, her involvement with Tack
36:02
and maybe even the truth that some point and there was a lot
36:04
of misinformation that got Shared and some clarifications
36:09
and stuff that brought up, but suffice it to say it was II
36:12
redacted any involvement? And and said, you know look I
36:16
don't condone anything of what she had said and some of these
36:19
alleged messages and so on and so forth.
36:21
And there, you know, now that you're here as a leader of Tack
36:26
and as a representative tattoo of tack, you probably have some
36:32
things to say to that, or wanted to, it's kind of like we got to
36:36
address it. Right.
36:37
It certainly that's something I wanted to necessarily harp on a
36:40
really deep to dip but I'm sure everybody listening watching
36:42
like oh yeah by the way let's talk about times that you
36:46
mention it. So I am I am both glad to
36:49
address and sad to address I guess would be the best way to
36:54
put that because it was a sad situation but I mean it was a
36:57
terrible situation, definitely was horrible actually.
37:00
But yeah, yeah. And you know, I will start this
37:04
entire thing out with which I'm sure.
37:07
You know, this will get back to her and she'll probably send me
37:09
a bunch of nasty messages again. But first and foremost IV
37:15
Mulligan was a friend of mine for a long time.
37:20
I don't I think that, you know, the potential for us continue to
37:25
be friends is probably pretty low on because of her steadfast
37:31
stick-to-itiveness to standing up for what she said. and just
37:39
put out there and I For me personally, I can't condone
37:46
that. And and what I said to her
37:50
before any before it exploded and, you know, we had to do what
37:55
we had to do, which I'll discuss that.
37:56
But I said to her, you know, I've been in a lot of fights,
38:04
both verbal and physical. One thing I've never done is use
38:09
racial epithets and saying, somebody, no matter how angry I
38:13
am to me. If you're using that, it's in
38:16
your heart. And then when you're confronted
38:21
with it, if you don't immediately apologize and say
38:25
I'm sorry, I was just really angry.
38:29
But instead you say, I stand by what I said because I was
38:32
standing up for my friend. I told him that's fine.
38:38
There's not a, there's no way for me to return from that IBM.
38:43
I can't support that in any way or form, and, you know, that's
38:49
how I left it with her and then, you know, we did as a community,
38:53
what we had to do, you know, immediately, we had to say, we
38:57
had to remove her from everything or, you know, she had
39:00
her hands in a lot of things with the AC because she helped
39:05
Build our clergy training program, she helped with a lot
39:09
of the bloats and stuff like that.
39:13
We had posted let alone. The fact, you know, you know,
39:18
she's out there and she was doing a lot of things and was a
39:21
pretty well-known person in the Pagan Heathen Community.
39:26
You know, we had to get out in front of that and say that we
39:28
absolutely do not condone that any of her actions and any over
39:32
words. And what she said And, you know,
39:35
had to remove her from everything that we could as
39:39
quickly as we could. But, you know, be transparent
39:43
with our community and be there to answer questions from them.
39:49
And one thing that, you know, didn't get out very probably
39:54
outside of TAC very much, which, I don't think many people know,
40:00
is the fact that Ivy had written a Her had completed eight, her
40:07
translation of the voluspa. Which we were printing after a
40:14
year and a half working on this with her with three other
40:19
authors who I could never get a hold of because they were in
40:23
Europe or something. We finally got it to where I
40:27
was. Okay with everything was in
40:28
there. Was that the printer is ready to
40:30
be printed? I called her in a Wednesday to
40:33
say, hey, got the Volusia, the printer, the ready to go.
40:38
I was going to be seen Her the following month, thought it
40:41
would have a copy in hand, because she had that big
40:45
Gathering that I guess she ended up still having but I was
40:48
supposed to be attending that as well.
40:51
And literally three days later I had to shut all of that down
40:56
immediately because of this whole event that we're yeah,
40:59
alluding to talking, absolutely. Could not publish a book by Ivy
41:04
Mo again after that, and I mean, it costs our community and most
41:09
three thousand dollars because all that money was already into
41:14
the, you know, Printing and making of the books Taylor.
41:19
I had them destroy like 500 copies that were already
41:23
complete. So, you know, I see you're here
41:27
and there but you know, from a community standpoint, her
41:30
actions, you know, affected us from from that, you know, if it
41:34
wasn't for that, we probably would still have the money in
41:37
our coffers to be able to assist people because we do have things
41:42
like our emergency relief fund, which we help out members of our
41:46
community, that need it. But yeah, I mean, It was a
41:51
horrible, horrible situation, and I really feel to me.
41:54
It's like, one of my good friends died because, you know,
41:58
well, it, it almost segues into kind of one of the other things
42:02
that I wanted to talk about because you've mentioned so many
42:04
times with cure on this podcast and talking about frith, right?
42:09
And, you know, wearing a season of frith and spreading forth and
42:13
whatnot and one of the things that at least I've come to learn
42:17
over the years, is what, really what frith really means.
42:20
It's So much the, the the peace, and the friendship, and the
42:25
getting along of things. Like, there's, there's, there's
42:29
parts of fruit that that is definitely about, because you
42:31
kind of have to get along with people to bring have for, isn't
42:34
the we've for it. And that's one of the things I
42:36
wanted to key in on, right? Is a weaving of, for if it is it
42:40
is a work to establish for it and its work to maintain for it
42:44
and something like what you're talking about Topher with the
42:47
severance of Ivy, from like you knew her for years friends.
42:51
You know, that was a breach of fruit that was a Breaking of
42:54
Chris. Because the with frith comes
42:57
trust and obligation, there's inherent.
43:01
Trust an obligation that's tied to the true to the real meaning
43:05
of frith. It's like one of those words
43:06
that you can't come like completely summarized into just
43:11
one thing, it means so many things.
43:12
It's like a loja, right? Yeah.
43:15
Yeah, I can mean so many things and write it is but all of it,
43:20
although it does. So many different things you
43:22
have to have as you're saying, all of those pieces working
43:25
together for their game, because I think the foundation of breath
43:31
is community and being, whether that's being nice to the
43:34
neighbor or stuff like that, you know, I think the foundation of
43:38
fricatives is building your community.
43:42
There's definitely a lot of to its, you know, for example, I
43:45
mean, I got to kind of get along with my neighbors and not, you
43:48
know, blast my music too loud or leave my yard looking like trash
43:52
because they share a spatial area with me.
43:55
So it's kind of like there. It's almost like, you know, we
43:58
talked about these Heathen words or that, you know, there's
44:00
there's a word for called Griffith and when you look back
44:04
at the Icelandic, all thing where there was a large
44:09
Gathering of people not just Tribes Gathering but like
44:14
Regional Gatherings to get and it's all in one place.
44:16
Like you guys all got to play nice in the sandbox is a I can
44:20
and be coming here and wanting to cut off your son's head
44:22
because he stole your cow six months ago and it's like we're
44:25
here. We're working all these things
44:27
out where there's a ceasefire there's this there's this just
44:30
general peace establishment of growth.
44:33
So I feel like Griff is kind of this whole Community thing.
44:36
Like we got to be nice to each other, to his to a degree, to
44:39
want to be able to grow in to establish those tribal.
44:42
Connections. Those those preferably like
44:44
extensions of family, which is what I feel you were describing.
44:48
Like with IV, it was x amount of years of friendship that
44:51
suddenly was just like somebody's came in with an axe
44:55
and just hacked its head off or I'll cut a limb off.
44:57
Be so violently because of that egregious Act of hatred, you
45:03
know, it's like it doesn't matter how much friendship and
45:06
all the ties and things that we've had over the years, you
45:09
broke forth there. And and sometimes fourth can't
45:12
be Paired sometimes it can. I mean things just can't be
45:16
abided and takes a minimum of two willing participants.
45:20
Yes, yeah, yeah. You can be the one that wants
45:25
to, you know, and I've had that too with like, you know, family
45:29
like literal blood, you know, and I think that a lot of us in
45:33
our respective Pagan communities in circles, have experienced
45:38
that very thing where you know you are ostracized and you are
45:42
It basically for your beliefs and for standing up for your
45:46
beliefs and not being hateful, towards those family, wanting to
45:50
be peaceful and wanting to maintain those bonds.
45:53
Those familial bonds and they're just not willing, they're just
45:57
like not, I can't can't do it. You, you believe in this, you
45:59
believe in that and therefore you can't drive with me and I
46:02
can't, you know, but why would that, why should that fall on us
46:06
again? It's the whole a conclusiveness
46:07
about it. Like I'm willing to live
46:10
peacefully with you. The Grits dead level, right?
46:13
If we can just respect one another, that's Griff, that's
46:16
you. Brian.
46:17
We don't have to necessarily like each other very much but we
46:20
got to respect each other at those boundaries.
46:22
You're right. We have to agree not to kill
46:25
each other. Yeah.
46:26
During Thanksgiving. Yeah.
46:28
Right. Stuff like that.
46:30
You know. Yeah II see stuff like what's a
46:33
good point? I like that.
46:37
Yeah, I think you probably see it to.
46:38
We see a lot of things online with people asking questions
46:42
like hey Is, you know, my family doesn't like that.
46:45
I am a heathen or a pagan and we got Thanksgiving or the
46:48
Christmas holiday, or some family.
46:50
Get a funeral. I've seen this to go like where
46:53
people are questioning, what whether they should show up to
46:56
their grandmother's funeral because their families Christian
46:59
and it's in a Catholic Church, they're like, am I going to
47:02
anger the gods and that, you know, and I'm sitting there
47:04
going, what are the gods even care about that.
47:06
That's your family like right, do it for them, do it out of
47:10
respect and out of out of maintaining.
47:12
NG the the breath at least the peaceful ceasefire nature of
47:17
things. And why would you want to just
47:20
sever ties with your family? Because you know, will it's a
47:22
church and I don't like it, right?
47:24
Like, don't be like that, man. Don't don't want Bingo down that
47:27
road. Well, I was that's very similar
47:31
up. I did a quick pop up video with
47:36
the community on Halloween and I brought that up as an example of
47:42
a Today that heathens don't technically, you know, celebrate
47:48
however and the time of year or the be alright, it means when it
47:51
falls there's days, maybe that will cross over there but you
47:57
know that stuff like that. I think it's ridiculous for us
48:02
to take ourselves away from it just simply because, you know,
48:08
you don't believe a Christian belief.
48:11
I have Have I do Christmas you know let me have my call it you
48:15
will but we give gifts as just like Christmas, you know it's
48:19
it's about Community. It's about family and that's all
48:22
part of RIT Rhythm all of that that's yeah makes me I've gone
48:27
to enough family, gatherings of my wife side especially who are
48:33
definitely not Pagan you know, and when you go to their house
48:37
it's like to me you respect the rules of the hall.
48:40
You give the proper Out of respect to the host and stuff of
48:44
the hall at just as you would in in ancient times and you visit,
48:47
another try, but whatever you're going to respect them.
48:50
So if they want to say, you know, lead a prayer to their God
48:54
and stuff. Just you don't have to say,
48:57
Amen, or whatever. But just be respectful.
48:59
I mean, just what do we do? Just stand there and shut up.
49:02
Like, what? How is that going to hurt you?
49:03
Right and exact you'll be fine. Right?
49:07
You know so and we just is it be respectful, right?
49:11
And that's what I was. So as we kind of like look
49:14
towards us, I was like looking at the time, I'm like, man, the
49:16
time is just flying by and I don't want to take up more of
49:18
yours and what it is. But, you know, one of the things
49:20
I think that a lot of people maybe get hung up on, maybe not
49:24
hung up hung up on me, that's not the right word, but that
49:27
these larger organizations and Tack is definitely in that
49:30
Arena, you know, of a large National Organization.
49:34
Where do you guys stand on the values of Building your own
49:40
Traditions, your own communities, right?
49:42
Because tack is a National Organization that's like if I'm
49:45
a part of Tack and I'm also a part of the, you know, the
49:48
Wolves of the north Kindred or whatever.
49:49
Right. Does that.
49:50
And is there any conflict there? Does it make any difference and
49:53
do you guys see that the future of heathen re really lies at the
49:59
tribal level at the group level? Like you can, you can be
50:01
inclusive in a larger organization and help out in the
50:05
organization and be that sort of boots-on-the-ground.
50:08
And if you will of a larger organization but don't neglect
50:11
and don't, you know, shy away from the importance of
50:16
establishing and building your localized.
50:19
Grassroots level Heathen re-stuff.
50:20
Where do you, where do you feel that?
50:22
Tact kind of sits with that. If you can speak about it, give
50:25
you a perfect world scenario. Yeah, even better in my perfect
50:29
world scenario. The a Searcher Community would
50:33
be a resource. our members would have or would be part of
50:41
kindred's in their local communities and the Asatru
50:48
Community is there to assist to help people learn one of the
50:56
things that we're working on because we do have a kindred
50:59
program where each Kindred that's affiliated with Tac would
51:05
have a Tac ordained clergy member Their Kindred.
51:10
So in that perfect world Tac would have would be part of
51:15
these kindred's all over the all over the country.
51:18
The world, we would support them.
51:21
And we would begin having centralized locations, Hoffs,
51:29
throughout the country. I'm currently building.
51:33
One on my property. We have, I have a huge barn and
51:38
the The top floor of it is all all off right now but, you know,
51:44
I don't want that to be the permanent place.
51:46
We're, I want to have a place here in Indiana is a good spot
51:50
for Central Central to the country, but have an actual
51:56
Hoffa Temple. If you will, where members can
52:00
come to where there's, you know, weekly monthly bloats and things
52:05
like that seasonal bloats held from And eventually be on the
52:10
East Coast West Coast and and go from there, but more than
52:14
anything. What I push and tell everyone
52:19
that we're not going to do it alone.
52:22
Number number one, and that means, including our Pagan
52:25
friends. So, you know, I'm part of a
52:30
community to sleep Ohio Pagan Alliance, which has like 15
52:36
different types of pagan. Religious representatives in it,
52:42
and they get together in different spots around the
52:45
tri-state area around Ohio, and do events and things.
52:49
So, I think that type of stuff working with our Pagan
52:53
communities, being there as a learning and support.
53:00
And I always tell people with anything, with when it comes to
53:04
your religion, your faith intent is always Most important things.
53:09
So it's not that you have you know, a thousand, you know, $200
53:16
statues. And all this stuff around in
53:18
this massive altar kit, you know.
53:21
It could be literally a stick and your intent and that's a
53:26
bloat you know? So what we want to be there to
53:29
be as a resource for for these people and and to so many more
53:35
of us out there they're just Hiding and not looking for
53:39
things, right? But yeah, looking for things
53:41
and, and, and just looking, I mean, the one of my favorite
53:47
things, as the president is bringing somebody that has been
53:51
a solo Heathen for a while into their first group Gathering.
53:56
I mean, it's like mind-blowing and, you know, I like to spread
54:01
more of, that kind of stuff. So now, because I mean look
54:05
like, you know, I was telling this to somebody else the other
54:08
day, a fellow Heathen. He's been on the podcast before.
54:15
He's Chieftain to a neighboring tribe here in our area in Middle
54:20
Tennessee. He's Chieftain of its Raven.
54:23
Moon Hearth is the, is the group?
54:26
But we were talking because he's got years of different Pagan
54:29
kind of exposure and stuff under his belt.
54:32
But, um, you know, I was telling him I said, you know, the
54:36
Christians have church, No, and Muslims have their mosques and
54:40
Jews have or, you know, the is Jews have Temple, you know what
54:44
I mean? Like, they have a central
54:45
location to gather with the like-minded people of their
54:48
religion and so much of paganism.
54:51
Whether it's dramatic paganism or Hellenistic or any other sort
54:54
of regional or cultural, you know, polytheistic belief has
55:02
that too. So if you're stuck in an area
55:04
where you feel like you are solitary because there's Or else
55:07
around you like the like you. You're just not looking hard
55:11
enough for you don't know. The kind of people that are
55:13
around you, they're out there, trust me.
55:15
You just got to put your feelers out there and I think that, you
55:18
know, for for folks that are looking for, you know, dramatic
55:25
Keith Andre or Norse evening or whatever, Regional name, you
55:28
want to put to it. I think that that's a good place
55:31
that organizations like Tech you noatak can help with resources
55:36
in your area, right? I mean so you guys have Networks
55:40
you and then, that's part of it. It's, we do live in a digital
55:43
age. It's the information and
55:44
everybody's going to Google something going to get on
55:46
Facebook, look for a group in their area or or Discord server
55:50
or something. You know what I'm saying.
55:52
So there's definitely a place for it now and today what there
55:55
is always still a place for and whatever kind of paganism you
55:58
follow I think is there's always has to be a place for tried.
56:04
You know whatever name you want to put to it, your Kindred
56:05
you're coming, you're whatever like you've got to have people
56:08
around you because you can Be a solitary practitioner for years
56:12
and years and you can have, you know, those enlightening
56:15
experiences with your with your deity's and with your ancestors
56:19
and with the localized spirits of the realm, the the whites and
56:22
80 or whatever. But men when you get in together
56:26
with a group and you tie those threads and you share weird with
56:29
each other. That way, there's nothing like
56:31
it. Like I can say for a fact that
56:33
the the rituals that I've held with my with my tribe and the
56:40
There's up my tribe, you know, like you can't replicate that
56:43
online, you can't replicate, you can't come close to it.
56:46
Like, there's there's no way that you can even feel the same
56:49
feeling without being there in person.
56:50
And that's what I want. More people to feel as well
56:53
received regardless of what the religious views are regardless
56:57
of, whether it's, you know, Odin or that you hail or whether it's
56:59
rise use, or whether it's any of the other, like, just whatever
57:03
God's you want to call to, or that you feel called to have a
57:08
pagan Community, have a just have a group.
57:10
We have a community art if you can share all that stuff with I
57:14
do. Well that's you know, and I'm
57:17
actually going to be bringing this up with.
57:21
I do a monthly fireside chat with the community, and I'm
57:27
going to be bringing up something along those lines in
57:30
the next one, because it recently came to my attention
57:34
that there was a former board member of the left because they
57:38
felt that Why are we even trying trying to build a half?
57:44
We're just an internet religious community.
57:49
Which Mike my main response was because I want to be more than a
57:54
internet religious community. I want to be a local touch.
57:58
My community, hold hands with my community in a circle and praise
58:02
the gods with you know with my community.
58:04
I want to be more than that. So you know that's great.
58:08
Definitely definitely want to be more than just an internet.
58:13
It's great. And there'll be guys, you know,
58:15
listening and watching. And so they'll be information
58:17
for you to learn more about what Topher and Tac does.
58:21
So, you know, they're online. They're of course, there's
58:24
there's Facebook with their they have a website, all that stuff
58:27
will be linked in the show notes or the description of the video.
58:30
Whichever, however you're receiving this podcast, just
58:34
check those respective areas for, you know, the site links
58:38
because you might can find something in your If you're
58:43
looking, you know, there may be resources out there that can can
58:47
can help with. Yeah, one thing that we did do
58:50
recently is we purchased one of those online member map things.
58:56
So our members that are okay with other local heathens,
59:01
reaching out with them or on them number mapping, its
59:05
worldwide. So that's definitely an
59:08
excellent resource for our members as well.
59:11
Well, very cool and I know you know, Indiana's.
59:13
Really not even that far away from like I'm in Middle
59:16
Tennessee, you know, just little bit.
59:17
Yes, of Nashville. So my find my way up there, one
59:22
day soon or at some point you know it's not that far never
59:25
know definitely try to make it up to well if not the Hoth
59:28
definitely try to make it up to Nerf.
59:30
I think you would really enjoy the Nerf Festival up here,
59:34
really great group and that's where they'll get nerfed
59:37
together, right? Yeah.
59:39
Really excellent group of people though.
59:43
It was my fifth year in a row going up there this past year.
59:45
Well would have been fit? There's one year I missed good
59:50
bet everyone right like it's like camping and yeah I mean
59:53
it's going on there with workshops I guess we have one
59:56
from like Thursday through Sunday.
59:59
There's there's camping, there's we have a large community Feast
1:00:04
on Saturday, night TSE was going to be host or the providing that
1:00:10
this year. They have every day, there's
1:00:14
learning events, there's Heathen games that they keep track of
1:00:20
heathen game score. So we have an ultimate even game
1:00:23
champion at the end, which is pretty cool.
1:00:26
And most importantly there's multiple bloats and rituals held
1:00:30
every day, including a main one around the big fire every night.
1:00:34
And if you're cool enough to get there on a Thursday night around
1:00:38
midnight, we start with heating karaoke.
1:00:40
So Bring your drums, bring your pets cracking, you're bringing
1:00:48
whatever right. Let's just have a good old time
1:00:50
with it. Absolutely, yeah.
1:00:51
Natural around campus. You're welcome to be a partner
1:00:55
again with us. At any time you feel free to but
1:00:59
that door is always open within our community.
1:01:02
And I know that are there are member many members of our
1:01:04
community that very much enjoy your podcast and and everything
1:01:09
that you put out there, I appreciate it sir.
1:01:11
I will definitely keep it in. Mind and say, I'm now, I've
1:01:13
never shut a door with you guys. I don't feel like I haven't, at
1:01:17
least. Anyway, it was, it was amicable,
1:01:18
you know, I was just like, a not for me right now.
1:01:20
I've got other things on focusing on and it was very,
1:01:23
very wholesome in that way. So I appreciate the absolute of
1:01:26
confidence in a and whatnot. But yeah, you know, so you got
1:01:30
we got nerfed there, that's an annual thing, we do something
1:01:34
around here, not we like, but I'm saying, like in the
1:01:37
Nashville, there's a pagan Unity Festival to called Puff.
1:01:40
So Raven, Moon, Hearth, the one of the Guy that was telling you
1:01:43
about hitting you. He's a Chieftain for that
1:01:45
Kindred the whatever he they're. Usually, a part of it.
1:01:48
I've not, I've been a part of the Nashville Pagan pride thing
1:01:52
here once or twice and then, you know, and covid hit and so we
1:01:55
did it all virtual and I was like, yeah alright yeah really
1:01:59
do that. It's not really for me that way.
1:02:01
But yeah. So this was this was a lot of
1:02:03
fun. I hope it was fun for you.
1:02:05
I enjoyed you know and just kind of talking around the virtual
1:02:08
fire as it works, you know, and getting some solutely
1:02:10
conversation, circulating around different Things.
1:02:14
But yeah, if you want to do, if you want to, you know, as I wrap
1:02:16
things up, if you want to just chill for a second, I'll touch
1:02:18
base with you offline, but you know, okay, thank you, Topher
1:02:22
for taking the time this evening to say some things and offer
1:02:25
your Insight on stuff for everybody that's watching.
1:02:29
Listening, whatever Tac is information is going to be
1:02:33
posted in the show notes or the description.
1:02:36
So check them out online, at least at the very least and see
1:02:39
there's things that you may want to find out more about that.
1:02:42
They Offered in your area or just just to know, you know, get
1:02:46
in the know we'll post the guardian thing to the video for
1:02:49
that. Well, it's one posted as well.
1:02:51
So you guys want to check out that documentary about the jerks
1:02:54
in the AFA and what Topher and them have to say to make it so
1:02:57
much better. Definitely check it out.
1:02:59
I will part starts about 11 minutes in.
1:03:00
I'm just, yeah, it's not very long.
1:03:02
I don't think it's, it doesn't take up a lot of time.
1:03:03
It'll be short of 75 minutes total.
1:03:05
Yeah, everyone should check that out.
1:03:10
Sweet. Well thank you again sir.
1:03:12
And You everybody for tuning in today, from definitely willing
1:03:16
to come back. Any time you want to chat?
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My friend. Sweet.
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