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05/07/2026 Ask the Lawyer with Tom Peyton · WCHS Network Podcasts

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  Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed on this program do not
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Oh create equal, were nice, come here in
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  Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to put you don't have to
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  Speaker 3: break the law today. You can put the law on
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  Speaker 3: your side in studio with us this morning. Tom Payton
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  Speaker 3: is here from the patent law firm taking your phone
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  Speaker 3: calls at three zero four three four five fifty fifty eight.
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  Speaker 3: this morning. I'll get our other contact information out there
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  Speaker 3: as the day goes along. But Tom, good morning, how
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  Speaker 3: you doing this morning.
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  Speaker 4: You don't want to be breaking the law today, But
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  Speaker 4: you don't have to fight the law either, because you
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  Speaker 4: can get the rest of the call and we can
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  Speaker 4: educate you on the law with some information. And that's
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  Speaker 4: we kind of preach that, you know. I try and
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  Speaker 4: answer folks questions every day, questions not just on the
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  Speaker 4: radio but around the office. If you I mean, I've
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  Speaker 4: probably answered ten email inquiries with information this week, and
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  Speaker 4: it's hard when you've been a lawyer for gosh, it's
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  Speaker 4: twenty five years now, and of course grew up with
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  Speaker 4: a father who was a litigator and lawyer, so it's
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  Speaker 4: hard to kind of bring your mindset back out of
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  Speaker 4: that and remember what you don't or what you didn't
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  Speaker 4: know before you became a lawyer. And so try and
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  Speaker 4: always kind of remember that when I'm educating people on
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  Speaker 4: what the law is and helping them out. But certainly,
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  Speaker 4: don't hesitate to give us a call, a text, or
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  Speaker 4: if you're not comfortable talk on the radio or don't
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  Speaker 4: have the opportunity and our time from here, don't hesitate
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  Speaker 4: to send us an email through the website or give
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  Speaker 4: us a call at the office so we can help you.
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  Speaker 4: We'll be glad to do a lot of litigation. That's
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  Speaker 4: what we like to do, and that's what we're good at. Frankly,
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  Speaker 4: we like that and I both enjoyed trying cases to jury's.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like.
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  Speaker 4: It's not directly analogous, but it's it's kind of like practice, practice,
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  Speaker 4: practice for a game, and then you get have your game,
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  Speaker 4: and we usually perform pretty well. And that's what cases
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  Speaker 4: settled for us too. You know, I think we've got
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  Speaker 4: a reputation of a firm that's willing to go all
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  Speaker 4: the way through a jury trial, and we've had a
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  Speaker 4: lot of success doing it over the years, and that's
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  Speaker 4: what ultimately, Unlike a sport where you have to play
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  Speaker 4: the game at the end, as much as we like
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  Speaker 4: trying cases, getting our clients satisfied as the number one goal, and.
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  Speaker 1: And being prepared and.
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  Speaker 4: Having prior history of performing well in jury trials gets
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  Speaker 4: a case, get cases settled. Now, there's no these lawyers
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  Speaker 4: commercials I don't know out of state a lot of
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  Speaker 4: times about oh we call the insurance company, they're shaking
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  Speaker 4: in their boots, and that's not how it really works, folks.
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  Speaker 4: So if you hear that type commercial, i'd i'd run
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  Speaker 4: from that firm because that's you know, insurance companies are
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  Speaker 4: based on They operate on risk and financial numbers and
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  Speaker 4: data and statistics for the most part.
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  Speaker 1: And so there's no.
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  Speaker 4: Law firm out there that you know, lets an insurance
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  Speaker 4: company know they're representing somebody and the insurance company just
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  Speaker 4: jumps and throws a bunch of money on the table.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's puffery.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, as far as advertising if not something worse,
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  Speaker 4: but any event, if you've got an issue, any issue,
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  Speaker 4: give us a call. As we talked about a little
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  Speaker 4: bit last week. You know, we do a lot of
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  Speaker 4: insurance work, meaning not working for insurance companies. But everyday
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  Speaker 4: people get in the car accident, you're going to be
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  Speaker 4: dealing with the other person's insurance company nine percent of
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  Speaker 4: the time as opposed to the other person. And of
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  Speaker 4: course if you've got to dispute with your own insurance carrier,
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  Speaker 4: homeowner's insurance claim, life insurance claim, those are all right
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  Speaker 4: in our wheelhouse. But at the same time, we do
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  Speaker 4: everyday thing. So if you need some basic a state planning,
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  Speaker 4: some deed work done, do a decent amount of so
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  Speaker 4: security disability work, which is really important to people because
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  Speaker 4: if you've ever been through that process, you know, unless
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  Speaker 4: you had unfortunately a really really bad cancer or a
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  Speaker 4: kidney disease or something terminal beyond those, there's a long
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  Speaker 4: waiting period. It can be frustrating. You don't have any
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  Speaker 4: income coming in during that waiting period, and normally you
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  Speaker 4: only get one bite at the apple, one hearing before
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  Speaker 4: a judge. A lot of times it's remotely these days,
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  Speaker 4: but that hearing is extremely important. So if you're going
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  Speaker 4: through that process, which you don't have to be a
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  Speaker 4: law you can represent yourself in those so security disability case.
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  Speaker 4: But we and I think most other lawyers that do
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  Speaker 4: that work, do those social scary disability cases on contingency fees.
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  Speaker 4: So if you hire us and we accept the case,
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  Speaker 4: we do not you do not owe us any money
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  Speaker 4: for costs for experts or getting medical records, that kind
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  Speaker 4: of thing, unless we prevail in the case. And federal
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  Speaker 4: law actually such parameters for what lawyers can get paid
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  Speaker 4: in so scared disability cases. It's a percentage twenty five
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  Speaker 4: percent of only the back pay benefits, so you won't
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  Speaker 4: have to keep paying your lawyer in the future as
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  Speaker 4: you get your monthly benefit. But it's extremely important to folks,
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  Speaker 4: and I have folks go through and maybe they go
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  Speaker 4: their hearing or maybe have another lawyer that won't take
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  Speaker 4: no for an answer, But then if they lose the
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  Speaker 4: hearing they take, they tell them the client, no, we
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  Speaker 4: can't appeal it. We've got a call coming in. I
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  Speaker 4: think we have a call ringing over there. Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 4: see if we have caller that's come on air, right,
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  Speaker 4: away here. You're on the air this morning with Tom Pick.
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  Speaker 3: Can go ahead. What's your first name?
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  Speaker 5: Ry?
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  Speaker 2: Hey?
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  Speaker 5: Ryan?
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  Speaker 3: What's your question this morning for Tom?
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  Speaker 1: Good morning?
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  Speaker 5: Ryan? Hey, good morning. Yes, I had a question about
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  Speaker 5: I tried to contact or a good contact one of
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  Speaker 5: my county commissioners there in Jackson County and this wholefuffle
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  Speaker 5: with do all these data centers coming in everywhere and whatnot? Well,
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  Speaker 5: they sign non disclosure agreements. So how is an elected
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  Speaker 5: official can't explain what they're doing through their constituents. How
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  Speaker 5: is that legal?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Obviously it's definitely not ethical, right, Well.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not? Yeah, I agree, I think my theory is.
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  Speaker 4: And there are some there have been for years, some
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  Speaker 4: exemptions to FOIA requests Freedom of Information Act requests for
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  Speaker 4: economic development projects you may be referencing, and I frankly
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  Speaker 4: I haven't had a chance to read the law closely, but.
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  Speaker 1: Not I don't think it was this year. It could
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  Speaker 1: have been this year or last year.
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  Speaker 4: They passed some legislation, particularly geared I believe, towards data
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  Speaker 4: centers that in essence strips any local control or influence
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  Speaker 4: over you know, zoning and restricting where and how they
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  Speaker 4: go in you'll see some of that type of those
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  Speaker 4: approvals going through like the state level with the Deep
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  Speaker 4: Department of Environmental Protection, but they the legislature's passed laws
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  Speaker 4: basically permitting that process. Frustrates me because I'm a big
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  Speaker 4: you know, the government is us in essence. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we elect the officials for the most part, or folks
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  Speaker 4: get a pin pointed by folks that we elect. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm like you, I think more sunshine the better, and
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  Speaker 4: it you know, in many walks of life, silence breeds contempt.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not.
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  Speaker 4: What you have to disclose, but what you should disclose
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  Speaker 4: and what keeps the constituents informed. So I think it
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  Speaker 4: just feeds mistrust for government. I've got a case right
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  Speaker 4: now actually has a little It didn't when I took
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  Speaker 4: the case on, but it does now have a little
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  Speaker 4: connection to the data center that might be going in.
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  Speaker 4: We've heard about the Google data center down in Putnam County,
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  Speaker 4: and I know there's a lot there's a few well
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I haven't been to the meetings, but
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  Speaker 4: there's a decent number of constituents down there, citizens that
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  Speaker 4: are concerned about, you know, the data center. What's kinduch noise,
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  Speaker 4: is it going to make how's it going to handle water?
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  Speaker 4: Are there going to be other environmental concerns? And it's
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  Speaker 4: it's literally right. The land they've purchased is right in
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  Speaker 4: the town of Buffalo, which isn't a large town, but
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  Speaker 4: it's got a lot of people that live right there
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  Speaker 4: next to it, and folks who are going to County
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  Speaker 4: Commission meetings and express and concern And I think for
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  Speaker 4: the most part, the County Commission, as far as having
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  Speaker 4: input or control over things they normally would have some
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  Speaker 4: input and control over via planning or even the town,
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  Speaker 4: their hands are tied and they really can't do a
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  Speaker 4: whole lot because of the law the legislature passed. But
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  Speaker 4: my case, it involves little intersection between the main road
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  Speaker 4: Route sixty two through Buffalo and a little I think
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  Speaker 4: it's a unlined road for the most part, eighteen mile
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  Speaker 4: Creek Road, and their Department of Highways is trying to
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  Speaker 4: take my client's front yards there at the beginning to
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  Speaker 4: widen this road out. And normally and when DH wants
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  Speaker 4: to do a road project, you really can't. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they've got traffic studies, they've got other data, local citizen
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  Speaker 4: have complained about an issue with a road, it's extremely busy,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera. In this case, it appears that they're widening
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  Speaker 4: this road to help landowners that some of which have
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  Speaker 4: now sold their property to the data center. And when
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  Speaker 4: those same folks had the right in a deed to
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  Speaker 4: build a really wide road for access themselves but decided
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  Speaker 4: not to. Now that's been terminated that private right away
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  Speaker 4: because of the purchase of the property from those folks.
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  Speaker 4: And all I'm trying to do on behalf of my
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  Speaker 4: clients is get like, why are you doing this project?
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  Speaker 4: Department of Highways? Okay, it seems rather simple. Well, we're
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  Speaker 4: just doing it because you know, they vaguely reference traffic
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  Speaker 4: and things, but I've seen no traffic studies that justify it.
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  Speaker 4: We've pushed them and pushed them to get this information.
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  Speaker 4: Finally we got the court to order them to provide. Well,
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  Speaker 4: here it is in a in a large federal report.
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  Speaker 4: This this this project is going to get done, but
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  Speaker 4: we still don't know why it was instigated in the
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  Speaker 4: first place. You have these kind of government connected folks
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  Speaker 4: like break Harry, who also sold a big swath of
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  Speaker 4: this land for I think seven million dollars to the
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  Speaker 4: Google Connected outfit. So I thought we were going to
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  Speaker 4: get somewhere because recently the court specifically ordible you need
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  Speaker 4: to go back and you know who requested this be
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  Speaker 4: done in the first place, and there was a deadline
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  Speaker 4: actually a Monday for the Department Highways to disclose this information.
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  Speaker 4: Now instead of just disclosing it and telling me it
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  Speaker 4: might be nothing, it might be perfectly legal and there's
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  Speaker 4: nothing my client's can do about it.
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  Speaker 1: But instead.
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  Speaker 4: The doh lawyers told the judge and me yesterday that
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  Speaker 4: all no, we're not going to abide bye order. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to file a petition for rent a prohibition with
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  Speaker 4: the Western Spring Appeals for the sole purpose of not
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  Speaker 4: disclosing why they instigated who was involved in the instigation
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  Speaker 4: of this project in the first place. It's not a
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  Speaker 4: it's not newsworthy. I guess it's not coming here because
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  Speaker 4: it's a small town of Buffalo, and it's you know,
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  Speaker 4: we've done a lot of work for the people in
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  Speaker 4: Buffalo over the years, and it's important to me, so
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  Speaker 4: I put a lot of work into this one because
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't mean anything to Dohs. When you start, you know,
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  Speaker 4: people that have owned property for decades and you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: cut out half their front yard. It's important to them,
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's important for people to know why
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  Speaker 4: are we doing this what seems like on its face
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  Speaker 4: it's not necessary. Uh, And it seems like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's enough there. It just smells because there's government actors
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  Speaker 4: involved in the property that the widening of this road
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  Speaker 4: seems to be serving versus the public good. But I
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  Speaker 4: can't even get doh too, you know, as opposed to
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  Speaker 4: just abiding by the Circuit court order and looking into me,
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  Speaker 4: I'm asking for things like, well, how does get started?
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  Speaker 4: Other emails familiar with the governor's office and break herey,
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  Speaker 4: because back when this was started, break herey. If you recall,
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  Speaker 4: he was some kind of governor assistant or something and
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  Speaker 4: it was a made up position. And you have other
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  Speaker 4: members of the legislature that were all over the paperwork
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  Speaker 4: on this, Roger Henshaw being one of them. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure if he's involved in any longer, frankly, but why
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  Speaker 4: not just tell us and so we'll see. So maybe
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  Speaker 4: the Supreme courtill get a chance to weigh in on that. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: the Department of Highways thinks they have a good argument
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  Speaker 4: to prevent the public from knowing information that I think
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  Speaker 4: everyone should be automatically entitled to go back and look
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  Speaker 4: at the emails, look at the data.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Normally, I think projects like this start because you know,
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  Speaker 4: kind of commission or a town or a local group
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  Speaker 4: of citizens has complained about a road issue or they're
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  Speaker 4: having major problems. I don't see any of that here.
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  Speaker 4: If that's the case, and that's the reason why this
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  Speaker 4: project was started, then just tell us. But they don't
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  Speaker 4: want to, and now they're going to you know, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know how much. It's not an attorney general's that's
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  Speaker 4: representing the state. It's a private law firm, So who
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  Speaker 4: knows how much they're paying them to now take this
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  Speaker 4: to the Supreme Court just to prevent the citizens from
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  Speaker 4: knowing why you started this project. It's abhorrent to me,
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  Speaker 4: But we're going to keep fighting the good fight on
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  Speaker 4: that one and we'll see how it comes out.
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  Speaker 3: We have another caller that's called in this morning. Thanks
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  Speaker 3: this morning three zero four, three four five fifty to fifty.
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  Speaker 3: Remember we'll go in to hold Q as soon as
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  Speaker 3: you call in and we'll get you on the air
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  Speaker 3: as soon as it's time a caller. You are on
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  Speaker 3: the air, And now what's your first name?
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  Speaker 2: Bob?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Bob, what are you doing this morning?
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  Speaker 6: Done?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 6: Tom? I wanted to ask a question concerning transfer on
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  Speaker 6: death deeds. Sure, my daughter has suggested to us. I'm
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  Speaker 6: eighty eight, my wife's eighty eight. We both have our
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  Speaker 6: own wills, and as far as I know, neither one
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  Speaker 6: of us is terminal right now. But she suggested we
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  Speaker 6: do that. And I don't know the law, but I'm
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  Speaker 6: thinking that that would be since we both have our
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  Speaker 6: own will, it would be better to wait until one
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  Speaker 6: of us survives the other and have the survivor get
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  Speaker 6: a transfer on death deed. And I'll hang up and listen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks for the call, Bob. Thanks Bob.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've had a lot of discussion about transferring death
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  Speaker 4: deeds over the last few years. It was a it's
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  Speaker 4: a deed that the legislature created I think in twenty
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  Speaker 4: fifteen if I recall correct, and it's a really good
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  Speaker 4: a state planning tool. So what a transfer on death
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  Speaker 4: deed does you? Bob and his spouse would sign the deed,
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  Speaker 4: it gets recorded, but it doesn't actually take effect until,
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  Speaker 4: in essence, the last one of him and his wife
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  Speaker 4: pass away. And there's language in the deed that says,
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  Speaker 4: when we pass away, this property belongs to A and B.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just say they have one daughter and that's who
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  Speaker 4: they want to get it. And so in that deed
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  Speaker 4: we can say who gets the property the moment you
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  Speaker 4: pass away, who owns it. You can also put contingent
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  Speaker 4: beneficiaries in the deed, so if that person had happened
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  Speaker 4: to pass away before you, because unfortunately we can't predict
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  Speaker 4: that and it doesn't always go in the order that
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  Speaker 4: we want. But maybe more to the point for Bob's inquiry,
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  Speaker 4: it's I would probably go ahead and do it now
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  Speaker 4: if it makes sense for for Bob, as opposed to
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  Speaker 4: waiting for one of them to pass away, because you
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  Speaker 4: can't have tunnel vision on this. I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 4: I get the cases when things don't go as expected,
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  Speaker 4: you hear about them. So you know, Bob and his
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  Speaker 4: spouse were in an automobile accent together and something happens
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  Speaker 4: to them, or a fire, anything, you know, do they
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  Speaker 4: pass quickly? Or when I'm as a you know, Alzheimer's
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  Speaker 4: or a dimension in the future doesn't have the ability
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  Speaker 4: to sign a transferring death deed. So there's there's no
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  Speaker 4: harm in going ahead that I see in doing the
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  Speaker 4: transferring death deed. Now now I will if a transferring
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  Speaker 4: death deaed is not in place, I will will take
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  Speaker 4: care of it. However, it will go through probate, and
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  Speaker 4: probate's not it's not some it's not Darth Vader over
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  Speaker 4: in the corner that you just have to avoid absolutely,
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  Speaker 4: and especially in West Virginia, it's really not that complicated.
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  Speaker 4: But when assets go through probate, there is a time
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  Speaker 4: peer in a process where creditors can file claims against
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  Speaker 4: your assets that go through the probate process. So when
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  Speaker 4: it goes by your will, it is going through probate.
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  Speaker 4: So transferring death deed generally prevents creditors from you making
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  Speaker 4: claims to that property because it doesn't go through probate.
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  Speaker 4: It's automatic the moment the last one of you passes away,
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  Speaker 4: title passes to.
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  Speaker 1: The new owner.
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  Speaker 4: And in particular, people have concerns about, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: they need to go into a nursing home and they
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  Speaker 4: need to use medicaid, which is a welfare benefit to
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  Speaker 4: pay for that care.
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  Speaker 1: Normally.
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  Speaker 4: Normally, if it's your home place, you know, nobody comes
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  Speaker 4: in and takes your home while you're living. There's some
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  Speaker 4: basic paperwork that can be completed, not really through the lawyer,
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  Speaker 4: but during the application process for the Medicaid long term
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  Speaker 4: care benefit that doesn't require you to liquidate your home
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  Speaker 4: to pay for long term nursing home care. You get
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  Speaker 4: an exemption for your home up to a certain value,
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  Speaker 4: so you can retain that. So maybe even though you
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  Speaker 4: have a two hundred thousand dollar home pay that's where
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  Speaker 4: your mortgage is paid off free and clear, you can
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  Speaker 4: still be eligible for Medicaid long term care or welfare benefit.
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  Speaker 4: Welfare has negative connotations, but that just means it's not
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  Speaker 4: based on you paying tax over the years or be
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  Speaker 4: invested in any type of benefit. If you financially qualify,
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  Speaker 4: you qualify, so you can't have very much money in
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  Speaker 4: the bank, and you can't own other investment property and
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: things like that, but your home is generally exempt from
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  Speaker 4: that calculation. So then folks feel like, well, I want
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  Speaker 4: to be able to pass at least my home down
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  Speaker 4: to my children for example, and a transfer on death
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  Speaker 4: deed is a tool that can help you do that
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  Speaker 4: because even though they don't come take your home while
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  Speaker 4: you're living, there is a process called a state recovery
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: that can and happen where when you pass, then the
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  Speaker 4: government can come back and place a lien on your home,
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  Speaker 4: you know, for the value the care the government paid
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: for you in a nursing home. So it doesn't it
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  Speaker 4: becomes you think of a lean as like it's like
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: a mortgage or something that they would place on it,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: and then your children will have to deal with that
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: if your property goes by the will. Generally that can
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  Speaker 4: be prevented right now via these transfermed death deeds. So
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: if the only and on it TRANSFERM death deed, you're
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: not giving up any ownership interest in it when you
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: sign it as the owner, the parent somebody in Bob's position.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: So if you change your mind, you have a child
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: that goes bad or whatever, you can just do another
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  Speaker 4: TRANSFERM death deed or even revoke the one you already did,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: either changing the beneficiaries or reverting it to the way
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: it was before and so, and you don't need you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: your beneficiaries permission, or they don't even need to know
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: about it. Although the deed's recorded, it's a public record,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: so it's an excellent tool in that regard and used
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: to see people do things like parents would need property
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: their kids but reserve a life estate. That was a
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  Speaker 4: pretty popular state planning tool before transferring death eaeds. I
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: haven't drafted one of those, maybe one or two for
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: some particular factual scenarios since they started allowing transformed death
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  Speaker 4: deaeds because I mean, I don't want to give up
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: my property and put my kids on there, because then
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: when you reserve a life estate, you can't borrow against it,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: you can't sell it. You could potentially be subject to
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: your kid's creditors claims even while you're living when you
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: reserve a life estate, So the transferm death needs a
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: way to go. Another reason maybe not to do it,
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: and I don't think it applies in Bob's case. But
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: if you're trying to do something complicated with your property
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: multiple beneficiaries, maybe some part of the sale of the
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: home should go and trust because you have a disabled
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: child or some other reason you want somebody to manage
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: the funds and a trust, then you really got to
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: go through a will because you can only do so
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: much in the transform death y. But if you have
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: two adult children and you want them to get your
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: home when you pass away, you can do it for
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: other property, not just your home.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't have that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Same Medicaid benefit because you don't get exemptions. You're going
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: to have to probably liquid at your other land if
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: you need to pay for your nursing home care before
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: you get on Medicaid. But other than that, it's an
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  Speaker 4: excellent estate planning to one if anybody. If you want
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: to transform death deed, just call the office. We normally
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: don't need an in person appointment. Me Dad or our
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: staff will have a short conversation, make sure you understand
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: what it is. Pretty much every county we can access
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: deeds via our online accounts now, so literally you call,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: tell us you want it done. We go over you
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: know who do you want to be your beneficiaries? Do
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: you want a contingent beneficiary in case something happens to
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: that person before.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: You we draft the deed.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: How busy we allre you so we can get it
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: done fairly quickly, within ten business days, maybe a couple
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: of weeks. Then we just leave it out front of
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: our office and we're all notedy. So you stop by
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: your convenience and sign it and give us a check
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: for the recording fee that the clerk charges. We record
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: it for you and it's all done. Pretty simple process.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty simple. Can't can't get much better than that.
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  Speaker 4: So I was looking at the code just to refresh
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  Speaker 4: my recollection, and it was I don't know if it
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: was this year or last year's bill, but there's an
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Economic Development Act of nineteen eighty five that was a mended.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: It's questioning code. Section five B is in boy dash
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  Speaker 4: two dash twenty one lowercase A, and it it has
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: a bunch of information about while data centers are so important,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: even referencing something about China becoming the world leader in
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: data centers or something maybe that's.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: A threat.
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  Speaker 4: But more importantly has a record keeping section and it
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  Speaker 4: says that any information provided by a data center pursue
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: it to this section, which is relating to you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: applications and Department of Commerce like that that is identified
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: by the data center as confidential business information. So I
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  Speaker 4: will be exempt from the Freedom of Information Act. So
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  Speaker 4: that's uh, that's why the first color is frustrated, and
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  Speaker 4: that's probably why the County Commission cannot talk about certain
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: aspects of a perspective data center, which it.
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  Speaker 3: Feels a little odd, right, I mean, I don't I
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  Speaker 3: don't really know. I don't have any experience like it.
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  Speaker 3: It feels odd.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's certainly that you know, you're talking about
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  Speaker 4: economic development, there are certain certain but that's something been
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: on the books for year decades. You know, if there's
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: if there's certain development uh negotiations or dealings, you know
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: when they're almost conceptual, those are exempt from for you
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: because there might still be negotiations going on about the
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: purchase of private land, for example, and you know, maybe
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  Speaker 4: that there might be inside information disclosed and exploring that
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  Speaker 4: to government officials that shouldn't be disclosed to the public
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  Speaker 4: because there's still negotiations going on about purchasing and things
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that should be a limited exception, not
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  Speaker 1: the rule.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, that's we've got the legislature we've got
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: because that's who we've elected. And so if you want
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: to change that, you got to go to the polls,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: which we all know from the flood of commercials this
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: week and last week and the week before that, now
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: is the time I think we're getting kind of low
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: we're going to get low voter turn out on the primary.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: It's an off yr election. And but there's some important
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, you got there's judicial race. Judicial races like
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Intermediate Quarter of Appeals, Supreme Quarter of Appeals of West Virginia.
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  Speaker 4: Those are non partis of now. So this is the election.
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  Speaker 4: So if you and that's really important, I mean, they
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  Speaker 4: they I've got two Supreme Court justice spots up for election.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, as I think most people know, once
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  Speaker 4: you get to the West Vinia Supreme Court, that's the
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: end of the line. So whatever they however, the Supreme
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Court interprets the law and rules that's going to govern
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: everybody in the state. So it's it's kind of out
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  Speaker 4: there because you know, probably I don't know, zero point
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: one percent of the population will ever have a case
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: actually go to the Western Supreme Court of Appeals. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: it's a little more important than that because the way
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: in which they rule in other cases, if you get
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: in a situation where that law applies or set of
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: facts are similar to a Supreme Court decision, that you're
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: you're going to have to go by that decision, whether
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: you like it or not.
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  Speaker 1: So pretty important because you've got local school boards.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Are non Yeah, they're non partisan, so they're they're up
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: for election as well, so it's still pretty important election.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: And then because I'm affiliated, so I'm in Putnam County,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: so I'll go and vote in the Democratic primary because
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: they'll let me if you're I think this year might
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: be the first year or maybe last year where I
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: think you have to be registered Republican to vote.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: This is the first year in a Republican primary.
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  Speaker 4: And of course Putnam County is most of the hotly
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: contested primary races for the legislature are on the Republican side,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: so I'll miss out on being able to vote h there,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: But get out and vote. It's you know, it's hard
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: hard to complain if you don't get out and exercise
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: you're right to vote. So and you got you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: early voting. I know in Putnam it used to be
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: early voting was always at the courthouse, which it's convenient
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: for me because I'm down there going to court. But
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: now they have other at least one I know, Valley Park.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: You can go and vote early I believe as well,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: maybe through Saturday. So there's really no excuse not to
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: vote when they have early voting as accessible as it is,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: and it just takes five minutes when you go in.
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  Speaker 3: I think Hopey had a commentary earlier the week, maybe
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  Speaker 3: on Monday, where he kind of crunched the numbers a
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: little bit and it wasn't anything hard to get. He
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: just basically took columns of numbers from voting numbers and
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: population of the state, age, voting eligible, people that aren't registered,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: and so forth. And it's something really extremely small, less
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: than twenty percent of the states, and that I think
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: was less than that. It's a tiny percentage of the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: state's population voting population that actually decide the people that
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: hold office. And it's really when you think about the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: amount of people that could vote, that are legally allowed
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to vote, the amount of people that actually do vote,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: it is a huge gap between those things, and so
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: you really wonder what will of the people are actually
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: being reflected. I mean, nothing you can do about it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Voting is the way that it works, man. You got
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: to get out.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: And Chris, I try and back myself out of it
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: because I'm practice law, and I read the Supreme Court
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: decisions and their inimity Court of Appeals decisions, and you know,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: deal with circuit judges who are also elected, and well,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: if there's contested circuit judge positions, they're going to be
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: elected as well next week. So but I think it's hard,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you know, and I go into the about sometimes I
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: don't know anything about a race. Sometimes I don't know
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: anything about the candidates because I haven't researched that particular.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: When you talk about executive committees and things like that,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: you elect that, you know how that affects your everyday life.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: Most people maybe it doesn't. So but you just think
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: about the everyday person who's not constantly hows a job
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: that involves being in the mix and in the know
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: and having to read the news and maybe working you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: four tens a week at a labor intensive job.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: You know, there.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: They are they going to spend the time to sit
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: down and research the candidate, and it's just kind of hard. So,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: you know, I can see where folks, if you just
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: aren't in the know, you'd be less inclined to go
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: and exercise you're right to vote. But nowadays with computers, smartphones,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: social media, I mean, you could spend a half an
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: hour and kind of read what the candidates are about
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I strongly suggest you don't rely on.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: These goofy.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Inflammatory commercials largely funded by these out of states.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's websites that go and do a great job
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: at lining up candidate issues and their own words, so
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: you don't have to do it like they'll they'll poll candidates,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: they'll put all the information out there. Vote smart. There's
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: a tons of a ton of them out there where
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: you can go and just get the information. You don't
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: have to you don't have to listen to the commercials.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: That's right. So man, it's they're important.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, actually that kind of dovetails into We had
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: a I was going to talk about last week, but
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: we we had to really I'm not sure it's that
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: significant for West Virginia, but the Voting Rights Act decided
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: by the US Supreme Court last Wednesday, So it's it's
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: kind of convoluted. And see if I can break it
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: down in it so that the Voting Rights Act, I
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: think was that you know and acted in nineteen sixty five.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: You know, back in the sixties and maybe into the seventies,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: there were actually like real roadblocks for minorities to vote.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, express provisions that made it very
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: difficult or impossible.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Obviously, over the decades we've improved as a society significantly there.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: But the Voting Rights Act, before the decision last Wednesday, permitted,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: or maybe even directed that what we call gerrymandering or
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: the deciding of voting districts. You know, some of them
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: needed to be set in a way so that, for example,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: African Americans who had been disenfranchised in the past would
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: have a voting block that would allow them to get
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: representation in Congress, for example. And if there was an
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: allegation that there had been jerry mandering conducted that was
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: aimed to prevent that, or that was the effect of
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: the redrawing of voting districts, then that could result in
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: that redrawing of the district being deemed a violation of
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: the Voting Rights Act. So Louisiana was in this case
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: at the US Supreme Court and they had drawn two
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: different districts that had majority minorities voters, and that was
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: challenged in the US Supreme Court. I think Justice Alito
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: drafted the opinion, said, well, it's we've just are in
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: a different place now, and you know this this thing
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: about the result or the effects of a redistrict is
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: not the proper test. It's you have to prove specific
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: intent to discriminate against let's say, African Americans in order
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: to win the case, which is a but things like
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: partisan jerrymandering is there's nothing wrong with that. So when
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: you know intent is in, it's a mental state. So
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: it make that standard that they've now mandated largely makes
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: it impossible to challenge.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And you think, no big deal. But now in the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: last week, you think, what did that Voting Rights Act?
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Well? Do well, maybe not much, But in the last
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: week we're seeing multiple multiple multiple states now just jumping
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: on the opportunity of redistrict.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: We're trying to recall Louise Annason governor.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: To jerry mander.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: So we're learning what that Voting Rights Act did help
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