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Obsession (2026) · Left of the Projector

• 0:14
  Evan: Hello, this is Evan from Left With Project. Before we get into today's episode,
• 0:18
  Evan: I wanted to briefly give a trigger warning.
• 0:21
  Evan: As in the movie, we'll be discussing sensitive topics including rape,
• 0:25
  Evan: suicide, and sexual violence.
• 0:28
  Evan: If you want to avoid that piece of this episode or this episode in its entirety, you may do so.
• 0:35
  Evan: We will be discussing most of those topics at the 50-minute mark of this episode.
• 0:41
  Evan: Most of the pieces before that will generally be free of some of those topics.
• 0:46
  bill: Hello, and welcome to Left of the Projector. I'm your host, Bill,
• 0:49
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• 1:14
  bill: This week on Left to the Projector, we are going to be discussing a movie that
• 1:18
  bill: everyone seems to be talking about.
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  bill: A film that has become the highest grossing film of all time with a budget under $1 million.
• 1:25
  bill: A movie that you might say that the general public is obsessed with.
• 1:30
  bill: That movie, of course, is Curry Barker's Obsession.
• 1:34
  bill: As you may already know, the film was shot on a shoestring budget of $750,000,
• 1:40
  bill: and everyone on the crew and in the cast made pennies on the dollar,
• 1:43
  bill: given what it is now grossed in theaters.
• 1:46
  bill: It's quite a remarkable run and should make you rethink how working-class crew
• 1:49
  bill: members in the industry should be paid.
• 1:51
  bill: Obsession stars a small cast of mostly newcomers, Indy Navarrete,
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  bill: Michael Johnston, Cooper Tomlinson, and Megan Lawless.
• 1:59
  bill: It also has Aidy Richter. It will just be the three of us today. So Ward, Evan.
• 2:03
  ward: Doing pretty good.
• 2:04
  bill: How are we all doing?
• 2:05
  Evan: I'm obsessed.
• 2:11
  bill: Yeah, we've been talking about this movie a lot. I really enjoyed it. Since we all saw it.
• 2:17
  ward: And a lot of people are having bad takes out there. So we've got to hop on and cover the episode.
• 2:22
  Evan: The funniest shit I see, though, is when you go on threads or even Twitter and
• 2:26
  Evan: someone's like, unpopular opinion.
• 2:28
  Evan: Bear is the bad guy. It's like, no, that's actually the common held opinion.
• 2:33
  ward: That's what they're trying to tell you.
• 2:35
  bill: Not only is that the common held opinion, that's the fucking one.
• 2:39
  bill: This isn't about opinion.
• 2:42
  bill: That's like going common-held opinion, global warming is real.
• 2:45
  bill: It's like, yeah, that's not an opinion. That's just the truth.
• 2:50
  Evan: But yeah, this movie has now made, as of recording, $409 million,
• 2:57
  Evan: which is actually quite fucking insane.
• 3:01
  Evan: It makes $2 million almost every single day in the theater since it came out.
• 3:05
  bill: And it's streaming now, too.
• 3:08
  Evan: And in the theater at the same time.
• 3:10
  bill: You don't have to go to the theater watch it and it's still making that money.
• 3:13
  ward: Yeah you got Peacock go.
• 3:15
  bill: For it.
• 3:17
  Evan: Yeah it came out god I don't remember the official but I think it's been in
• 3:21
  Evan: the theater way longer than a normal than most normal run time you know I'm
• 3:26
  Evan: sorry not run times theatrical release times it was released,
• 3:31
  Evan: we don't have to dwell on this thing it came out May 14th it's July,
• 3:38
  Evan: 11th and just yesterday on July 10th it made $1.2 million despite being able to stream it.
• 3:44
  bill: Now it is.
• 3:45
  Evan: Although I think you have to pay to stream it though now. Like you have to buy it or rent it.
• 3:50
  ward: It's on Peacock.
• 3:51
  Evan: Oh, it is? Oh, that's still crazy.
• 3:53
  bill: Yeah, I mean just like the loan that's nowadays nothing runs that long.
• 3:59
  Evan: Two months.
• 4:00
  ward: I think it's a run like that.
• 4:01
  bill: Now except for morbius they're gonna put it back out,
• 4:06
  bill: yeah.
• 4:07
  Evan: Well we don't have to like talk too much about the you know the financial thing
• 4:11
  Evan: and actually you could listen to uh ward and myself on the proles pod talking
• 4:17
  Evan: about movies and this movie
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  Evan: and the terrible industry that is hollywood and the terrible industry that is capitalism but yeah.
• 4:24
  ward: I like how you kind of buried the lead that like we've already covered this
• 4:27
  ward: movie with Jeremy from PulsePod,
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  ward: but not as in-depth as we're going to cover today, but it was more a little
• 4:35
  ward: slight overview and then focus on financial exploitation in Hollywood.
• 4:40
  Evan: Yeah, we didn't really get too much into the movie.
• 4:43
  bill: Also, I wasn't there yet.
• 4:45
  ward: Yeah, I hadn't seen it, and Bill wasn't there, yeah. So if you want more of,
• 4:51
  ward: the financial exploitation around this film in Hollywood, check out that episode.
• 4:56
  Evan: And we can link that into the show notes. I don't know actually when that episode
• 4:59
  Evan: comes out. So maybe it's out. Maybe it's not.
• 5:01
  bill: Yeah, that could literally come out after this. Keep an eye out for,
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  bill: it.
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  Evan: That actually would be good because then they would be forced to listen to –
• 5:11
  Evan: well, they're already listening. The listeners are already listening. You're here.
• 5:15
  Evan: You're here, you're family.
• 5:16
  ward: And we appreciate that.
• 5:18
  Evan: Maybe I'll just give a brief plot overview for the listener.
• 5:21
  Evan: I feel like most people have seen this, but this movie stars basically only four characters.
• 5:27
  Evan: We have Bear, who plays sort of the main protagonist, I guess you could say.
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  Evan: He works at a music store, and he works with his three friends,
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  Evan: Nikki, who was played by Indy Never Eddie, Ian, his best friend,
• 5:40
  Evan: played by Cooper Tomlinson, and Sarah, played by Megan Lawless.
• 5:44
  Evan: And it kind of opens up with, we find out that Bear really likes his friend
• 5:48
  Evan: Nikki, but is afraid to tell her and has been presumably like in love with her for a long time.
• 5:54
  Evan: And is unfortunately pouring his heart out to a poor waitress at a diner,
• 5:59
  Evan: practicing what he's going to say. And it's so, it's actually,
• 6:02
  Evan: if you haven't, the first time you see it, you're just kind of blown away.
• 6:04
  Evan: I kind of feel like the whole, until the title card, I think it's a really good opening for a movie.
• 6:08
  bill: A great opening. And I actually think it sets the tone for Bear's character so perfectly.
• 6:17
  bill: And it provides a great, because that waitress clearly really liked,
• 6:24
  bill: like, she sat there and had a positive response to this boy doing this.
• 6:30
  bill: And like, in the beginning, if you don't know better, you're like,
• 6:33
  bill: oh, he's actually confessing his feelings to her. yeah he's doing it and it's
• 6:37
  bill: like oh and she seems receptive and this.
• 6:40
  ward: Is going good.
• 6:41
  bill: Exactly like it start like this movie literally starts out with like the lesson
• 6:47
  bill: of like this motherfucker will ignore everybody else because of his obsession in,
• 6:53
  bill: like because he has a preconceived notion about one person meanwhile there's
• 6:58
  bill: this person right here who's like willing to sit through this and And on top
• 7:03
  bill: of that, this is a man who just thinks it's okay to just
• 7:07
  bill: impose his shit on a person like this, which says everything about his character.
• 7:14
  Evan: But he's sort of somewhat forced to by his friend, Ian, who I feel like from
• 7:19
  Evan: that opening scene, you realize he's a fucking douchebag.
• 7:21
  bill: I mean, he didn't have a gun to his head. He could have said no. Okay.
• 7:26
  Evan: Yeah.
• 7:27
  ward: Could have said no.
• 7:28
  Evan: Fair enough.
• 7:29
  bill: He didn't have to do that to that waitress. No.
• 7:32
  Evan: And she's like, you know, and she was like willing to stay. And they're like, no, just go away.
• 7:36
  bill: Yeah. They just dismissed this woman completely out of hand.
• 7:41
  bill: They treated her like a prop in their own little lives, which is like,
• 7:48
  bill: it sets the tone for these characters so perfectly.
• 7:53
  Evan: Yeah. And the thing I wrote down when I was,
• 7:58
  Evan: writing those, I'm like, this is his pathetic plan to get Nikki,
• 8:01
  Evan: you know, like for someone who he's friends with, it would be kind of weird
• 8:05
  Evan: to have this, you know, this, this is his opening.
• 8:09
  Evan: and so we the thing that also i think is really well set up in this movie i
• 8:13
  Evan: this isn't wasn't my idea this was uh jared from uh concessions podcast
• 8:18
  Evan: he commented on threads somewhere that nikki initially is very much shown as
• 8:24
  Evan: like a really good caring person you see her wanting to give money to a homeless
• 8:29
  Evan: person on the house person on the street,
• 8:31
  Evan: which the other character which will maybe talk about what she remarks in response,
• 8:36
  Evan: they set her up as really being this heartfelt woman, I think because you're,
• 8:41
  Evan: then seeing her quote-unquote obsessed evil side.
• 8:45
  Evan: I say that in quotes because she's being forced to do this.
• 8:48
  Evan: But they make her seem so likable that the switch of her character makes it more unbelievable.
• 8:55
  bill: Yeah.
• 8:56
  Evan: But yeah. And we, we then, then after this, it's, it's kind of funny.
• 9:01
  Evan: The, the way that they describe it in Wikipedia kind of, they have like one
• 9:05
  Evan: line describing what's going.
• 9:07
  Evan: They don't even describe the diner scene, but then we find he's talking to Nikki
• 9:11
  Evan: on the phone. They had, they're going to trivia night and first his cat dies
• 9:15
  Evan: because of his negligence of leaving out like oxycodone in his house. So this cat dies.
• 9:20
  Evan: And then he finds out that Nikki had lost her, you know, her crystal necklace
• 9:25
  Evan: and so he goes to a what do you call the what kind of store do you call that like a.
• 9:29
  bill: Woohoo store it's a.
• 9:30
  Evan: Woohoo store a woohoo store to buy her a crystal but instead buys this one wish
• 9:35
  Evan: willow which i love every interaction with the store owners in this movie the two interact.
• 9:42
  bill: The store owners are great absolutely.
• 9:44
  Evan: He thinks that she's giving him attention and he's just she's just talking on
• 9:47
  Evan: the phone like through her uh wow.
• 9:50
  ward: That's crazy he is the most awkward individual he's so incredibly awkward the entirety of the movie.
• 9:59
  bill: Yeah it is kind of painful to.
• 10:01
  ward: Watch he only starts to loosen up whenever he has complete control over nikki yes and it's disgusting.
• 10:08
  Evan: The thing the other thing that i forgot about ian that i think is the first
• 10:11
  Evan: time you realize he's kind of a dick is he tells his advice to bear is to use
• 10:16
  Evan: a term that nicky hates calling her freaky nicky as like a way to flirt with her and yeah.
• 10:22
  ward: He tells him that he basically tells him to nag her.
• 10:24
  Evan: Yeah.
• 10:24
  bill: Yeah nagging man that's so stupid i remember when i remember the days of the pickup artist on mtv.
• 10:35
  Evan: Well now it's all those like the looks maxing guys trying to like go out and
• 10:38
  Evan: hit on people and they fail because they're complete fucking idiots.
• 10:41
  bill: Did you hear about a looks-mackser dying from injecting himself with gold?
• 10:45
  Evan: I thought he died from drowning.
• 10:46
  ward: I did hear about that. I heard the gold story.
• 10:50
  bill: I think that might be a different one.
• 10:52
  ward: Maybe a different one, but I heard the gold one.
• 10:54
  bill: I think we... Two bozos down, I believe.
• 10:59
  Evan: No big loss there. No, maybe he, oh, I don't know. Maybe I was going to say,
• 11:03
  Evan: maybe he injected himself with gold and that made him, it weighed him down in the water.
• 11:06
  bill: It's too heavy, he's sick.
• 11:10
  Evan: Oh, but yeah, the, um, I think I messaged both of you, like,
• 11:15
  Evan: did he just leave pills open in his house?
• 11:18
  Evan: Are you meant to believe that he's just like this much of an idiot?
• 11:20
  ward: Like he must've. How else did the cat get into that?
• 11:23
  bill: Yeah, cats don't have thumbs. If they did, they would rule the world.
• 11:28
  bill: So, you know, I have to assume he left them open. And like, they weren't,
• 11:33
  bill: were they even his pills?
• 11:35
  Evan: No, his grandmother's.
• 11:36
  bill: Yeah, they were from his grandmother. So like, what was doing? Like, what?
• 11:40
  Evan: It does seem clear that his grandmother had just died.
• 11:43
  ward: He's probably taken them on the weekend.
• 11:44
  Evan: Maybe. Beth, I think it seems clear that he had just, he tells Nikki later that
• 11:48
  Evan: he took his grandma's apartment. So she probably died and left him the apartment.
• 11:52
  bill: Yeah.
• 11:52
  Evan: Presumably. But he didn't clean up all the pills and medicine because he's like,
• 11:56
  Evan: yeah, I'm just going to do these drugs.
• 11:57
  ward: He's just so busy obsessed with Nicky. Can't keep his apartment clean.
• 12:02
  bill: He's very pathetic.
• 12:03
  ward: Yeah.
• 12:04
  Evan: And then when he's in the room and they show the title card,
• 12:06
  Evan: he's like sobbing on the bed. It's like, dude, get a grip.
• 12:09
  bill: The fact that, like, all right, he's crying over his cat. Like,
• 12:14
  bill: I'm not going to judge him for that.
• 12:15
  Evan: Okay, okay, fine. All right.
• 12:16
  ward: I'll give him that.
• 12:16
  Evan: You're right. Okay.
• 12:17
  ward: Yeah.
• 12:18
  Evan: I take it back, Bear.
• 12:19
  ward: I don't like because it tries to make him a relatable character and he's a piece of shit.
• 12:24
  bill: Yeah, okay. See, I don't think it actually, see, I think it actually does the
• 12:29
  bill: opposite because he then,
• 12:33
  bill: fucks, like, listen, if, if I came home and my dog was dead,
• 12:37
  bill: I don't give a fuck what, like, I'm not going out to drink later that night.
• 12:41
  bill: No fucking way. Are you kidding me?
• 12:43
  ward: No way.
• 12:43
  bill: Like, there's like no fucking way. Like the fact that he died.
• 12:48
  bill: He didn't say anything to anybody. He didn't, you know, the fact that he just,
• 12:53
  bill: because there was the potential that he could tell this girl that he's obsessed with, that he likes her.
• 12:59
  bill: So he just ignored all that and then went out.
• 13:02
  Evan: And he also randomly drops the information about the cat when they're at the bar, right?
• 13:07
  bill: Yeah. As a way of basically getting something out of.
• 13:11
  ward: Yeah. Yeah, like going against Ian's probably like only like decent advice,
• 13:16
  ward: which is don't fucking talk to her about this shit on trivia night.
• 13:19
  ward: This is a group thing. Don't ruin a group activity for your seven year long promposal.
• 13:25
  ward: Like that was the only decent advice Ian said.
• 13:29
  bill: I mean, but like all of them are just like. Don't fucking ruin trivia night.
• 13:32
  bill: How old? How old? All right. So like Sarah is trying to get into college.
• 13:38
  bill: so we have to assume they're what like all supposed to be like around 17, 18?
• 13:43
  Evan: I think older. I think that.
• 13:44
  bill: Oh wait they're drinking at a bar.
• 13:47
  Evan: No I think they're all about 23.
• 13:49
  bill: So she's just early mid 20s.
• 13:51
  Evan: Well is it possible that she went to school? No I think she probably didn't
• 13:56
  Evan: go to college and she worked at her dad's music shop. Yeah.
• 13:58
  Evan: But now is like realizing she wants to go back to school. But they may have
• 14:01
  Evan: already they may have gone to college.
• 14:02
  ward: I feel like she might be also like a year or two younger than them.
• 14:05
  bill: Because they were drinking in a bar. They were served. I mean,
• 14:09
  bill: obviously, I am aware that you can get fake IDs.
• 14:13
  Evan: No, I think it's clear that they're all about like 23-ish would be my guess.
• 14:18
  bill: But it's like they all have like, I do think that another through line of this
• 14:22
  bill: movie is that none of these people have,
• 14:25
  bill: any communication skills. Like they are incapable of communicating basic information
• 14:32
  bill: to other people in their lives of any kind.
• 14:34
  Evan: Yeah. That's, that's pretty, uh, pretty correct.
• 14:37
  bill: They are all lying to each other and themselves about multiple things that involve
• 14:44
  bill: other people within their group.
• 14:45
  Evan: To be fair. I recall when I was, you know, that age, I mean, you're not.
• 14:52
  bill: Oh yeah. A hundred percent. They, I'm not saying.
• 14:55
  Evan: No, I understand. No, no. I mean, like, they all work in a music store.
• 14:58
  Evan: They're all getting, you know, minimum wage or barely above it.
• 15:02
  Evan: Two of them want to go to different kinds of art school. Sarah wants to be an artist to do tattoos.
• 15:07
  Evan: And Nikki wants to be a writer.
• 15:10
  Evan: Bear and Ian don't seem to have any actual goals.
• 15:13
  bill: Yeah, none whatsoever. They just seem like shiftless.
• 15:16
  ward: They both just want to fuck Nikki.
• 15:18
  bill: Yeah.
• 15:18
  ward: That's it.
• 15:19
  bill: That's basically it. That's their goal.
• 15:20
  Evan: Yeah, and then she tells him that he's going to quit, that she's quitting the music store.
• 15:25
  Evan: And that's why he decides, it seems like, to go to trivia night.
• 15:28
  Evan: But it had nothing, he didn't, the cat thing didn't have any playing to it.
• 15:32
  Evan: It's more like, oh, I might not get to see you as often anymore. I gotta take my shot.
• 15:36
  ward: Yeah, this is my last shot to be able to confess my feelings.
• 15:40
  ward: Yeah. Right. Fucking loser. You had seven years.
• 15:44
  Evan: It's super awkward at the bar. Like, they're all very awkward with each other
• 15:48
  Evan: playing. You know, like, see them actually play trivia, but they're taking shots.
• 15:51
  Evan: And then afterwards, you know, They have to be 23, going to trivia and then
• 15:55
  Evan: we're going to go to another bar and then another bar.
• 15:58
  Evan: There's only such an age where I could even consider that even as a possibility.
• 16:03
  Evan: As opposed to being like, I'm going to be home at 10 o'clock,
• 16:06
  Evan: 930. But then that was the other thing that happened, too, is that Nikki asked
• 16:11
  Evan: to borrow $20 to give to the unhoused person.
• 16:16
  Evan: And then Sarah, their friend, says, great, we just paid for his for his heroin for the next.
• 16:23
  Evan: Does she say like for the next week?
• 16:25
  bill: That's yeah.
• 16:26
  ward: Yeah. She's shitty. Just like Ian and Bear. Nikki's the only decent one out of the whole group.
• 16:31
  bill: See, I don't think Nikki's decent. I don't think any of them are decent.
• 16:35
  bill: I like, I like the fact that she gave $20.
• 16:38
  ward: I don't see enough of Nikki in this movie to make a judgment call. She seems decent.
• 16:46
  bill: See, like I'm not willing to say she's decent because I, you're giving the benefit
• 16:50
  bill: of the doubt. I'm like neutral. I'm like, we get, we basically have one.
• 16:54
  ward: She gave the new $20. She gets some benefit.
• 16:57
  Evan: We have two scenes. We only have two scenes in the entire movie where she's
• 17:00
  Evan: actually not under the one wish.
• 17:03
  bill: Not.
• 17:03
  ward: Only that she takes the cash from her shitty friend who's classist to that dude even better.
• 17:09
  bill: Now i want to know if that if that would actually pay for that much heroin no
• 17:13
  bill: i thought heroin is expensive so i don't think that'll i don't think that'll cover that well.
• 17:20
  Evan: I don't think i want to google that on my uh.
• 17:22
  bill: Neither do i,
• 17:25
  bill: I don't want to Google that, but, you know.
• 17:27
  Evan: But, I mean, it does show, you know, and then Bear offers to drive Nikki home
• 17:31
  Evan: because they both don't want to go out. And Bear obviously wants to use this
• 17:34
  Evan: as, he's like, this is my shot to, you know, tell her how I feel.
• 17:38
  Evan: Which we know immediately he's going to chicken out. We just know.
• 17:41
  Evan: Like, she even gives, here's the thing that I think proves to him beyond a doubt
• 17:45
  Evan: that he is a piece of shit.
• 17:47
  Evan: Like, one thing after another proves it. She gives, he drops her off.
• 17:50
  Evan: He supposedly said he had a gift for her, which he then says he forgot at home.
• 17:53
  Evan: So he's not going to give her the gift. And then he uses the gift he's going
• 17:57
  Evan: to give her so that Nikki will love him more than anyone else in the world.
• 18:00
  Evan: And then she gives him two different outs to ask whether he has feelings for her.
• 18:06
  bill: She straight up says.
• 18:08
  Evan: It's like, do you like me?
• 18:09
  ward: She gives him a fucking chance.
• 18:12
  bill: Yeah.
• 18:12
  Evan: But before and after the wish.
• 18:14
  ward: Showing some decent communication skills for that friend group.
• 18:18
  ward: No.
• 18:19
  bill: All right.
• 18:20
  ward: She's the standout.
• 18:21
  bill: Okay.
• 18:22
  ward: She's decent.
• 18:24
  bill: She's decent.
• 18:25
  ward: She's decent from what we know.
• 18:26
  Evan: And he refuses to, he refuses to give the answer. And then he uses the wish.
• 18:31
  Evan: And then it's the creepy scene where she's sort of like standing just on the,
• 18:35
  Evan: on the stoop. I think it's the cover of the, like the movie poster.
• 18:38
  Evan: She's standing in like the doorway.
• 18:39
  bill: Yes.
• 18:40
  ward: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Evan: All of a sudden she slipped out and then she comes over and he's acting.
• 18:44
  Evan: And then he, like, his behavior afterwards, where he's like,
• 18:47
  Evan: all of a sudden she likes him, he can't even accept the idea that someone would even like him, you know?
• 18:53
  ward: Mm-hmm.
• 18:54
  bill: He is— I was listening to something else yesterday, and they mentioned the male
• 19:00
  bill: loneliness epidemic, which is a bullshit term.
• 19:05
  bill: The fact that we call it the male loneliness epidemic is bullshit because anytime
• 19:12
  bill: you talk about, if people talk about this and they talk about what it is,
• 19:16
  bill: they're not talking about being social or having a friend group.
• 19:21
  bill: It always comes down to just basically the American male's assumption that they,
• 19:28
  bill: that women are obligated to give them sex. He's not lonely.
• 19:32
  bill: He has a social circle. He has people that he can talk to.
• 19:37
  ward: They literally go to trivia night every Wednesday. They all work together.
• 19:41
  ward: They see each other almost every day.
• 19:43
  ward: It's a pretty close-knit friend and group that a lot of people in this country don't have.
• 19:47
  bill: Right.
• 19:47
  Evan: Yeah.
• 19:48
  bill: But like and like you don't we don't you know you don't talk about you know
• 19:51
  bill: when anytime they talk about the male loneliness epidemic it's about like really what about is that,
• 19:58
  bill: men in america think they are are you know women are obligated to give their
• 20:01
  bill: sex and that's basically,
• 20:03
  bill: because like he is not it that like it's not that she likes him or like is responding
• 20:09
  bill: to him positively that he finds so weird it's that she,
• 20:13
  bill: is now physically coming on to him but then past that he's like
• 20:18
  bill: totally okay with it he's like you know he hasn't he doesn't he actually finds
• 20:23
  bill: the fact that she wants to be
• 20:25
  bill: emotionally connected to him after he makes the wish irritating
• 20:30
  bill: he finds that annoying he doesn't want that he doesn't want to talk to her he
• 20:35
  bill: doesn't want to sit to be non-sexually intimate with her he just wants to fuck.
• 20:44
  Evan: The thing that's also so uncomfortable i mean they do a lot of ways where you
• 20:49
  Evan: first you think that she is now under like this wish and then you kind of feel like she's not
• 20:55
  Evan: and it kind of goes back and forth where they kind of give you the starts and
• 20:57
  Evan: stops but the very initial thing where she,
• 21:00
  Evan: eventually goes back, she goes back to his apartment and he's hesitant, right?
• 21:04
  Evan: He's like, oh this seems weird, like how come all of a sudden you like me you're
• 21:07
  Evan: not supposed to like me, I'm a I'm bare and.
• 21:11
  ward: She has.
• 21:11
  Evan: These like moments where she like snaps into it and out of it where she sees
• 21:15
  Evan: herself being weird but can't stop it those are like some of the most deeply
• 21:20
  Evan: uncomfortable moments plus the time when he calls the hotline yeah.
• 21:24
  ward: And it just ultimately comes down to him being a coward he could have just owned
• 21:27
  ward: up when she gave him a chance he could have just said it but he was like he's
• 21:31
  ward: a fucking coward comes down to it and it's a little lesson for a lot of guys
• 21:35
  ward: out there like literally a little bit of confidence can go a fucking long way.
• 21:38
  Evan: Do you think that he his behavior bear's behavior is like incel-ish definitely yeah.
• 21:43
  ward: Yeah he feels as he owes things as i guess that's what you're just saying we
• 21:47
  ward: don't see it outright but like he's probably the type that like thinks he's
• 21:50
  ward: better than everyone else around him like,
• 21:53
  ward: even though like there's nothing fucking special about him he eats fucking steak
• 21:57
  ward: with ketchup for fuck's sake like,
• 22:02
  ward: You're not special, Bear.
• 22:05
  Evan: But he's made clear.
• 22:06
  bill: He definitely has that incel. Because it's also, it's not just,
• 22:10
  bill: it's the way that inceldom also metastasized into what it is now.
• 22:16
  bill: Which is that not only are you, it's not just being incapable or being unconfident
• 22:24
  bill: enough to approach people.
• 22:27
  bill: or being emotionally aware, emotionally in touch to have conversations about
• 22:31
  bill: things, but then it twists and it becomes this cancerous counter thing where
• 22:37
  bill: it's like, I shouldn't have to do that.
• 22:41
  bill: I shouldn't have to be emotionally aware. I shouldn't have to make...
• 22:46
  bill: Basically, you should read my fucking mind and give me what I want.
• 22:50
  bill: I'm owed this because I'm a man.
• 22:53
  ward: Don't you know what I want?
• 22:55
  bill: Yeah.
• 22:55
  ward: You should.
• 22:57
  bill: I don't have to say it like jesus christ in the beginning like in actual like
• 23:03
  bill: when in the incel culture,
• 23:07
  bill: started it was very much and we've talked about this briefly before where did
• 23:13
  bill: we what movie are we talking about um,
• 23:17
  bill: american pie in american pie we talked about how like when the whole thing started
• 23:21
  bill: i mean first of all it was started with a by a woman she coined the term and
• 23:25
  bill: she started the community.
• 23:27
  bill: And then later went on to like basically leave that community when she found
• 23:32
  bill: a partner and how when she returned to the community, how she saw how it had
• 23:37
  bill: changed and it had become less about supporting people,
• 23:41
  bill: supporting people in the same situation and growing out of it into demonizing
• 23:47
  bill: anybody that made the effort to not be that way.
• 23:52
  bill: anybody that attempted to improve their you know their social skills or their emotional
• 23:59
  bill: you know awareness or any of that they were demonized and they were castigated
• 24:04
  bill: and it became a very like crabs in a bucket culture yeah,
• 24:09
  bill: which is very apt for the society we live in and by society wow we don't live
• 24:15
  bill: in a society it's very barely a society yeah it's very apt for the world we live in.
• 24:20
  bill: Yeah, for the world we live in.
• 24:23
  ward: Western society is an oxymoron.
• 24:25
  bill: Yeah, because that is what capitalism teaches you to constantly tear down anybody
• 24:30
  bill: else who looks like they might get ahead of you in any way, shape,
• 24:34
  bill: or form, because everything is a zero-sum game.
• 24:36
  bill: Everything. Everything is zero-sum.
• 24:39
  Evan: You know what I don't understand? Why is it that Nikki's explanation for that
• 24:45
  Evan: first night when she stays at Bear's house, her explanation for what happened
• 24:49
  Evan: was that she was on mdma which we know is obviously not the case is it because she's afraid in her,
• 24:56
  Evan: new under the spell to tell him how she feels initially in the same way that
• 25:01
  Evan: bear is afraid to tell her like why make that excuse and then also make up the
• 25:05
  Evan: excuse about her dad like what's the need for these lies just any.
• 25:09
  ward: Excuse to get close to him like that's yeah like so i feel like wish Nikki is
• 25:15
  ward: almost like a complete copy of actual Nikki just,
• 25:23
  ward: can't put it all together especially like in the beginning like where,
• 25:27
  ward: um she's like talking about like oh it's like my cat's dead and shit like,
• 25:31
  ward: uh basic memories but then like later on she's able to pull like oh yeah no
• 25:36
  ward: back back um i started getting these feelings for you in december which like
• 25:41
  ward: must be pulling from real nikki's memories of like something that,
• 25:44
  ward: her and bear did in december because like why else would it be so specific but
• 25:49
  ward: um yeah now i just feel i feel like she's like an almost complete copy,
• 25:54
  ward: of nikki but then just absolutely everything reprogram to want to be,
• 26:01
  ward: with bear every want desire need that a human being has replaced with bear like
• 26:08
  ward: how bear's speech in the beginning is like i can't think of anything that but
• 26:12
  ward: literally taken to the fullest extent,
• 26:16
  ward: that's what the wish did to nikki and it couldn't make nikki do that because
• 26:20
  ward: that's not nikki so it made a copy reprogrammed basically reprogrammed it,
• 26:26
  ward: and then has it in nicky's body that has most of control.
• 26:31
  bill: See that's i i think that that is the key to understanding the way the wishes work in general.
• 26:36
  Evan: You mean in this in this universe.
• 26:37
  bill: That the wish how the wish the wish gives the wisher what they ask for in in the literal like,
• 26:48
  bill: It creates the wish, the reality of like, but based upon the perception of the
• 26:54
  bill: person making that wish, because
• 26:56
  bill: she very much becomes basically she becomes she behaves the way bear,
• 27:03
  bill: thinks you behave when you love somebody, which is to be obsessed,
• 27:12
  bill: to not actually know or understand that person,
• 27:16
  bill: or consider them as an individual.
• 27:19
  bill: individual, but to instead project your insecurities, your desires,
• 27:26
  bill: your thoughts on that person, and then react to them in a way that you would
• 27:33
  bill: justify that, oh, this is what, this will work.
• 27:36
  Evan: Yeah, like the copy you were saying, Ward, is also, is not just a copy of those
• 27:40
  Evan: other things, but it's almost like a,
• 27:42
  Evan: mimicking of, as you're saying, Bill, like what he would want someone to do
• 27:46
  Evan: like how he would act in that same situation yeah he would lie and make up things
• 27:50
  Evan: be like oh yeah my my mother or my my mother is sick or whatever my dad is sick and
• 27:55
  Evan: these are the things and reasons i want to like be with you yeah
• 27:58
  Evan: but they don't actually work because you're just lying and making shit up,
• 28:02
  Evan: yeah and they know and they know.
• 28:04
  bill: Yeah as opposed to being a genuine person and talking to another person as a
• 28:10
  bill: person with you know an inner life of their own because I mean.
• 28:14
  ward: I mean, that's not what he wants at all, because I mean, even even when she
• 28:18
  ward: starts acting weird after the wish and he's the way he talks to her,
• 28:22
  ward: he's that's not how you talk to another adult human being.
• 28:26
  ward: It's like he's talking knowingly talking to like even before,
• 28:30
  ward: like the dinner scene, when it like it fully clicks in his head that it's 100 percent the wish,
• 28:35
  ward: before even before that, the way he talks to her, it's like a dude talking to
• 28:39
  ward: his Stepford wife being like, no, no, no, no, this isn't your programming.
• 28:42
  ward: You're not allowed to be weird.
• 28:44
  ward: Stop being weird.
• 28:45
  Evan: No, no, no.
• 28:47
  ward: Yeah, no.
• 28:48
  Evan: God, that was great. When after that first night and Bear is telling Ian in
• 28:54
  Evan: the store what's going on, and while Nikki is, like, staring at them,
• 28:58
  Evan: I was thinking about this.
• 28:59
  Evan: Is the way that Ian is seeing Nikki act the way that Bear had previously been acting about Nikki?
• 29:07
  Evan: Like, the way that he is obsessed with her and all these things that he would
• 29:10
  Evan: say, like, doing the thing with the waitress.
• 29:13
  Evan: is it just like the behavior is now flipped.
• 29:15
  bill: I would assume so i think he's always like creepy yeah.
• 29:20
  Evan: And it's and and the and the crazy thing too is we also learned that nikki had
• 29:24
  Evan: told sarah like pre like very recently that you only thought saw him as a friend,
• 29:30
  Evan: but sarah was the one that actually liked bear which nikki tells him before
• 29:35
  Evan: he uses the wish he's like but you know actually sarah likes you what would you think about that.
• 29:40
  ward: And not only that like he knew beforehand he was like oh it's so obvious like
• 29:44
  ward: he's known for a while that sarah likes him but just doesn't care he wants nikki.
• 29:49
  bill: He said that i don't remember that.
• 29:50
  ward: Part i'm pretty sure.
• 29:51
  Evan: Um
• 29:52
  ward: It made it it seemed like he it seems like he knew before even beforehand like
• 29:58
  ward: he's got at least some idea that sarah likes him.
• 30:01
  Evan: It probably had for a while but yeah he wants.
• 30:03
  ward: Unattainable nikki he's obsessed,
• 30:06
  ward: It's a piece of shit.
• 30:07
  bill: And it's like, why?
• 30:09
  ward: He doesn't, well, it's like you said, he feels like he's owed.
• 30:13
  ward: He deserves it just for existing as an American male.
• 30:16
  Evan: So what about this? After the restaurant scene, when he fully realizes that
• 30:20
  Evan: she is, that the wish worked, it wasn't just, she was on, you know, MDMA or whatever.
• 30:29
  Evan: The next thing you see is them having sex. Is he raping her?
• 30:33
  ward: Yes, he is raping her.
• 30:34
  Evan: Okay.
• 30:35
  ward: Yes, he's raping her. It's even framed like a jump cut, like a jump scare.
• 30:39
  Evan: It is, actually.
• 30:40
  ward: Yeah.
• 30:41
  Evan: The cut that they do have.
• 30:42
  ward: Her eyes are fucking dead.
• 30:44
  bill: Yeah. That scene, that actually reminded me. See, I actually think this movie
• 30:50
  bill: has a lot in common with The Companion.
• 30:52
  Evan: Very much.
• 30:53
  bill: Ward, have you seen The Companion? You should definitely check it out.
• 30:56
  bill: The Companion actually has a much more hopeful ending as opposed to this movie.
• 31:02
  Evan: I'll watch it. We're talking the one with Sophie Thatcher and Jack Quaid. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:07
  ward: Oh, yeah? I haven't watched this yet.
• 31:09
  Evan: Yeah, it's pretty good.
• 31:09
  bill: It's really good. I don't want to ruin it for you, Ward. Yeah.
• 31:13
  bill: But that is so perfectly- Don't watch the trailer.
• 31:15
  ward: That is so perfectly- No.
• 31:17
  Evan: No, don't ruin it. But what you said makes sense if people have seen it, I think.
• 31:21
  bill: Yeah. Yeah, that scene is deeply uncomfortable.
• 31:25
  bill: Very uncomfortable. And honestly, I think, you know, there's a lot of talk about,
• 31:29
  bill: you know, the use of rape in the cinema and TV and, you know, so on.
• 31:37
  bill: And I mean, especially like, you know, post like Game of Thrones,
• 31:41
  bill: you know, like that was such a huge thing, you know, such a,
• 31:44
  bill: a culture, like a hot topic, like, you know, and like the discourse over that show.
• 31:49
  bill: I mean, it's been years, but people's, it still comes up and for, you know,
• 31:55
  bill: If you're an aspiring filmmaker out there and you want to know how to,
• 31:58
  bill: how to actually, you know, if you, if you're going to use that kind of shit in a movie,
• 32:03
  bill: this is a movie that does it correctly because it's not used as a means to,
• 32:11
  bill: um, it's not used as like a, a cudgel or a crutch.
• 32:16
  bill: This is used to very much lay out the truly the nature of that of the individual
• 32:23
  bill: of bear and how societally we use these.
• 32:28
  bill: It's a vast difference than the way that rape is so often used in movies to victimize women.
• 32:36
  bill: You know, this is such a it's a it's a vastly different way.
• 32:41
  ward: Yeah, looking on. Yeah, no, especially like the way our society views rape.
• 32:45
  ward: Like, dude, looking at online, judging like at the discourse of this movie,
• 32:49
  ward: a lot of people don't understand what rape is.
• 32:51
  Evan: There are also people who don't think that you can rape someone if you're in
• 32:55
  Evan: a relationship with them.
• 32:56
  Evan: Yeah. I mean, in this, they're in a relationship in the sense that she's being forced to.
• 33:01
  ward: And you start to understand why Stalin and Lenin just shot everybody.
• 33:04
  Evan: Yeah.
• 33:07
  bill: Oh, that start making a lot more sense. Education camps make a lot more fucking
• 33:13
  bill: sense when you start really thinking about shit.
• 33:15
  Evan: This reminds me of one more later. I think maybe at the end we'll say what are
• 33:19
  Evan: our what we would actually use the one wish will of war. We'll save that for the end. That has to.
• 33:23
  bill: I thought that was going to be a totally separate episode. I thought it was
• 33:25
  bill: going to be a Patreon bonus where we talked about our wishes.
• 33:28
  Evan: Maybe it should be.
• 33:30
  ward: Maybe.
• 33:30
  Evan: If you're listening right now, you will not get to hear us talk about what our wishes are.
• 33:35
  Evan: you have to go to patreon slash left of the projector pod and pledge three dollars per month to listen to.
• 33:40
  bill: Us yeah i mean not only is it rape but it's the entire like not only is that
• 33:45
  bill: a physical you know representation a representation of the actual act of a physical act of raping someone,
• 33:53
  bill: in like the most you know basic you know like brutal you know sense of the word,
• 33:59
  bill: But the entire relationship is an example of a abusive, an emotionally abusive, an emotional rape,
• 34:09
  bill: and coercive relationship in which an individual uses their power over someone
• 34:16
  bill: else to control them for their own personal desires and fulfillment.
• 34:23
  ward: While trying to victimize themselves in the process.
• 34:26
  bill: Perfect narcissist mm-hmm.
• 34:30
  ward: You're scaring me, Nicky. Shut the fuck up, Bear.
• 34:34
  bill: Man, your hatred of Bear, War. I feel like you knew someone in life like this
• 34:39
  bill: that you particularly did not like.
• 34:41
  ward: No, no. I just, I don't know. I was just raised to hate men and grew up with nothing but sisters.
• 34:52
  ward: All my best friends in life have been women. Yeah.
• 34:57
  Evan: The the it's funny you mentioned before that that was like a jump scare is i
• 35:01
  Evan: think that like the few scenes right after that is when the movie also sort of,
• 35:06
  Evan: i wouldn't necessarily call this a horror film in like the true sense but from
• 35:11
  Evan: that point forward there's like lots more violence like right after that,
• 35:16
  Evan: there's the part where she's watching him sleep and it's extremely unsettling
• 35:21
  Evan: i actually that was probably the creepiest part of the entire movie.
• 35:25
  ward: It's so good.
• 35:25
  Evan: And apparently film some of those scenes with her going backwards and then they
• 35:29
  Evan: added the music with her and they show it in reverse oh yeah it's super cool.
• 35:33
  ward: Oh something we all also i wanted to mention was like uh the scene when um nicky
• 35:38
  ward: and bear like in the car but right before he makes the wish,
• 35:42
  ward: um they film that twice one where nicky likes bear and one where nicky doesn't like bear,
• 35:49
  ward: And then they splice together both of them to make the final shot so that it
• 35:54
  ward: kind of makes it ambiguous whether or not she actually likes Bear.
• 35:58
  Evan: Interesting.
• 36:00
  ward: So I thought that was a pretty good choice.
• 36:03
  bill: You know, we have, you know, primarily, we've talked a little bit about like,
• 36:06
  bill: you know, technique and like, you know, and like overall, you know,
• 36:09
  bill: typically in episodes, we primarily talk about like, you know,
• 36:13
  bill: the message and, you know, I mean, that's the whole point. That's what we're here for.
• 36:16
  bill: But this really is one of those movies that you could talk about the technique,
• 36:21
  bill: the actors, their performances and what was done. You could talk about that.
• 36:26
  ward: The costuming and makeup. like that's why like when she's in the darkness she
• 36:30
  ward: looks completely different yeah this movie is 26 years old.
• 36:34
  bill: This movie is a fucking just throw it from a technical from an artistic standpoint
• 36:39
  bill: this movie is fucking phenomenal.
• 36:41
  ward: Yeah yeah the choice to like like it was mostly the director working with uh
• 36:45
  ward: indy navaretti like to do like a lot of that weird
• 36:49
  ward: disfigure choreography um like one-on-one and then like yeah doing the shots
• 36:54
  ward: where like filming her backwards and then playing it for,
• 36:57
  ward: like playing it forwards and then add in the audio like so it sounds right,
• 37:02
  ward: like yeah it's really well done like shoestring budget like we said like yeah
• 37:05
  ward: you could talk all day about it and we're trying not to but it's hard not to
• 37:08
  ward: mention it yeah they yeah.
• 37:11
  Evan: I do hope the you know i like one of the reasons i like like buying the physical
• 37:15
  Evan: media is hearing interviews and the special features i would love to see some
• 37:21
  Evan: of the more than just like the few little clips you see Like,
• 37:23
  Evan: oh, like, here's this one thing. Here's that thing.
• 37:25
  Evan: But they show they have a video of, you know, when the day after they sleep
• 37:30
  Evan: together and she and she's quit or it's not going to work.
• 37:34
  Evan: bear is and she's just standing in the room and then we see as like he's leaving
• 37:38
  Evan: she like pisses herself they show like behind the scenes of how they did that and it's not just that.
• 37:44
  ward: By the time he.
• 37:44
  Evan: Gets home yes she's.
• 37:46
  ward: In a massive pile of her own filth.
• 37:49
  bill: Yeah yeah and has like vomited on herself yeah also you're skipping the part
• 37:55
  bill: where she duct tapes the door yeah.
• 37:58
  Evan: That too i have.
• 37:59
  bill: That in my notes that was wild i love that and the entire door is duct taped
• 38:06
  bill: to the wall and also this fucking loser pulls it open,
• 38:14
  bill: like it's just everything about bear's character is pathetic except.
• 38:19
  ward: For him being able to pull open the duct tape door.
• 38:23
  bill: But like why would you choose that way doing it like you would do like no what would be funny is.
• 38:30
  ward: Like him not being able to get it open at all and.
• 38:35
  bill: Then him having.
• 38:35
  ward: To crawl out.
• 38:36
  bill: Like a front facing.
• 38:37
  ward: Window yeah here's the real.
• 38:41
  bill: Question why did he have that.
• 38:42
  Evan: Much fucking duct tape at his apartment.
• 38:44
  bill: It's a great question it's great that was that's.
• 38:46
  Evan: Like multiple rolls of duct tape.
• 38:48
  bill: Grandma was a hoarder grandma was definitely a order.
• 38:52
  Evan: Or maybe he was a psychopath and he used that to tape.
• 38:55
  bill: Out. Oh God.
• 38:57
  Evan: No, he meant too much of a wuss to do that.
• 39:02
  bill: There are elements of absurdist comedy in this which take it to a whole other level.
• 39:08
  ward: Mm-hmm.
• 39:10
  bill: But it's never directly addressed, and it makes it so good, and actually makes it feel more realistic.
• 39:17
  bill: Because I actually do think that in reality, when confronted with a thing like
• 39:22
  bill: that, if you're in a situation like that, you would just...
• 39:27
  bill: pull the door open like you would just be like uh i guess i opened straight up the straight up tim.
• 39:34
  ward: Robinson's bit opening the door oh i was here yesterday.
• 39:45
  bill: 100 100 that's what it is.
• 39:51
  Evan: I love that.
• 39:51
  ward: While he's struggling she's like oh if you're having trouble leaving you can just stay.
• 39:55
  Evan: Home you can just stay home like this.
• 40:01
  bill: Movie is so.
• 40:02
  Evan: Fucked up.
• 40:03
  bill: And twisted and then you get so funny.
• 40:07
  Evan: Well no but then then it just keeps getting crazier is that that night nikki
• 40:14
  Evan: goes with bear to ian's house for like what he calls is like a guy's night but
• 40:17
  Evan: clearly it wasn't there's a bunch of other yeah it's a house party yeah it's a house party
• 40:22
  Evan: and they're doing you know Is Ian not.
• 40:24
  ward: Allowed to lie about the circumstances of his own house party?
• 40:27
  Evan: Oh. I'm sure he lies about all kinds of things.
• 40:30
  bill: Yeah. I think he lies about a lot of stuff.
• 40:33
  ward: Yeah.
• 40:34
  Evan: Well, he's been lying to Bear about sleeping with Nicky for like two years.
• 40:37
  Evan: Yeah. So we learned that. But they're playing like, you know,
• 40:41
  Evan: Dare, Jenga, you know, like a Jenga set where you just, you don't like put it
• 40:44
  Evan: back. You just do the dare.
• 40:46
  Evan: And the thing that blew me away, which you didn't, I don't remember what you
• 40:49
  Evan: told me, is that the, that Curry Barker's dad wrote this ridiculous book.
• 40:54
  ward: Poem that yeah that he reads the hansel and gretel incel,
• 41:02
  ward: fan incest fan yeah sorry we've been talking about incel so much incest fan fiction um,
• 41:11
  ward: very graphic that was written by yeah curry barker's dad he was like having
• 41:15
  ward: trouble like thinking of something to write for that and his dad has been like
• 41:20
  ward: dabbling with screenwriting and so he like was like hey dad you You think you
• 41:24
  ward: can write something? And that's what he came back with.
• 41:26
  bill: And we know why his father has not been successful at screenplays because that shit was fucked up.
• 41:31
  ward: It was perfect for this movie.
• 41:33
  bill: Yeah.
• 41:36
  bill: The average studio, I don't think they're going to touch what he's doing. No.
• 41:40
  bill: You have to get to, you have to be Lars von Trier before you get to that.
• 41:46
  bill: Lars von Trier didn't start with that, okay?
• 41:50
  Evan: No, no. That's not your first.
• 41:52
  ward: Wait, is that why we lost the extended cut of the brick scene later?
• 41:56
  ward: Is it because of the Hansel and Gretel poem? We could lose that if we get more
• 42:00
  ward: bricks, if you're asking me.
• 42:01
  Evan: Yeah, and the other thing that's crazy, one of them says at the party,
• 42:05
  Evan: what kind of spell did you put on her? Which is also super weird, and,
• 42:11
  Evan: the poem also kind of gives it away.
• 42:13
  bill: Because this is a world in which...
• 42:17
  bill: You can go to a woo-woo crystal shop and buy a toy that grants a wish.
• 42:23
  ward: Since, like, the 70s or 80s, you can just be buying these things.
• 42:27
  bill: Like, that is the reality of this movie, which takes it to a whole other fucking...
• 42:33
  bill: It adds a level of, like, fucked-up weirdness, like, surreality that is, like, next level.
• 42:42
  Evan: Sarah could have gotten the one with Will to get into that Luther art school earlier.
• 42:47
  bill: How does,
• 42:49
  bill: how does like how does like everyone not know about this thing.
• 42:54
  Evan: Yeah it's weird i think it's like one of those like when they show like the
• 42:56
  Evan: fake reddit whether he's looking at it it's very clear that it's like this collectible
• 43:00
  Evan: thing that people just don't actually open they just sort of buy it as this,
• 43:05
  Evan: collectible thing and then some people try it and the people who said it doesn't
• 43:08
  Evan: work probably it means they like got a really fucked up wish and the people
• 43:11
  Evan: that are saying like it does work or you know never actually used it so i feel
• 43:16
  Evan: like anyone who actually uses probably is like no don't use this fucking thing.
• 43:20
  ward: I like that little scene because it just showed to Bear's character that he's
• 43:24
  ward: a piece of shit because he didn't even really want to know. He didn't click on any of those posts.
• 43:28
  Evan: No.
• 43:29
  bill: Yeah. He didn't want to know.
• 43:30
  ward: He didn't care.
• 43:31
  bill: We have no reason to believe that the one wish willow acts as a monkey's ball.
• 43:37
  ward: Yeah. It just seems to be through the perception of the wish maker because like
• 43:42
  ward: we have like as a best guess because like we have Bear's perception of Nick.
• 43:47
  ward: what love is applied to nicky which that's that could be arguable,
• 43:52
  ward: um and then ian's wish asking for a billion i wish he had a billion dollars
• 43:57
  ward: like it wouldn't make sense like that it would just drop cash on him right then
• 44:01
  ward: like he does he's in disbelief he doesn't think he's actually going to get the
• 44:04
  ward: wish but also he's not rich enough to ever expect or think or
• 44:09
  ward: know or experience experience uh,
• 44:13
  ward: what it's like to have a lot of money in his fucking bank account so of course
• 44:15
  ward: it won't go to his fucking bank account it's gonna float his house yeah if.
• 44:19
  bill: You are if any one of us was like i wish i had a billion dollars like like the
• 44:23
  bill: first like our perception like our mental image is gonna be cash.
• 44:27
  ward: Yeah it's not gonna be like you can't even fathom that amount of money briefcase
• 44:32
  ward: of bearer bonds i got you know what kind of weirdo wish did you make i don't even know.
• 44:38
  bill: What a bear.
• 44:39
  ward: I don't.
• 44:39
  bill: Know what a bearer bond is i'm.
• 44:41
  ward: 45 years old.
• 44:42
  bill: And i don't know what that is.
• 44:44
  ward: Watch a heist movie, dog.
• 44:45
  bill: Yeah, I know. I meant, like, you know.
• 44:47
  ward: Like, that's how I know about him in reality.
• 44:49
  bill: Like, I don't know. Like, in Mission Impossible. Like, I don't know anything
• 44:52
  bill: beyond the movie's perception of what a bear bond is. Oh, it's, like, literally.
• 44:55
  ward: Like, the same thing in real life, a bear bond. It's whoever holds them on. Give them that money.
• 45:01
  bill: Okay.
• 45:03
  bill: So, like, a fancy IOU, basically?
• 45:06
  ward: Kind of, but you can have it to, like, up to, like, hundreds of thousands of
• 45:09
  ward: dollars on a single piece of paper versus.
• 45:12
  bill: Like, half the carry cash. On an IOU, you can have as much as you want.
• 45:17
  Evan: I owe you one wish Willow.
• 45:19
  bill: Yeah.
• 45:20
  Evan: Well, the thing that I think that maybe we should,
• 45:24
  Evan: before we get to the ending, the thing that I send you both that I thought was
• 45:27
  Evan: interesting is the owner who created the one wish willow has created a product
• 45:32
  Evan: that anyone can only use once. It prevents you from making a second wish.
• 45:37
  Evan: Even if you were to get it for all your friends, they can only use it once.
• 45:40
  Evan: They couldn't get it for those same friends.
• 45:42
  Evan: They've created a product that actually does not create more demand.
• 45:45
  Evan: Like it is an anti-capitalist product in like a weird way. Although, weirdly.
• 45:50
  bill: It's that rice cooker. It's that rice cooker that was so good,
• 45:55
  bill: it went out of business because nobody needed another rice cooker.
• 45:58
  ward: Yeah.
• 45:59
  Evan: I mean, it's partly a joke. I'm partly joking about it, but once you've done
• 46:02
  Evan: the wish, and like Bear's not going to tell anyone to use, like to buy one of these, even though.
• 46:07
  ward: No, he ended up buying them for his friends.
• 46:10
  bill: Yeah.
• 46:10
  Evan: Oh, you're not right.
• 46:11
  ward: Instead of like taking a friend to the store.
• 46:13
  Evan: And then Ian, of course, does the selfish thing instead of.
• 46:16
  bill: $5.
• 46:17
  ward: Well, first, like Bear is. goes about it like the fucking
• 46:21
  ward: shittiest way is like he calls the line to amend his wish not to cancel it yeah
• 46:27
  ward: to amend it she's being weird but i still want to maintain control over her
• 46:32
  ward: yes that is still don't want to be
• 46:34
  ward: her to be the real nicky oh would you like to talk to the real nicky,
• 46:38
  ward: no click um because he's a piece of shit and then like yeah it's not until she
• 46:44
  ward: fucking oh god murders Sarah with
• 46:47
  ward: a fucking brick that he tries to get his friend Ian to cancel the wish.
• 46:52
  Evan: Yeah, and has to bury her body.
• 46:54
  Evan: Yeah.
• 46:54
  ward: Which Nikki didn't feel too particularly happy about and brought that thing
• 46:59
  ward: back out into the living room.
• 47:01
  bill: Yeah.
• 47:02
  Evan: Where did they actually take it? It's like maybe they just load it into the trunk.
• 47:05
  bill: They just put it in the trunk. Yeah. We just see them loaded into the trunk.
• 47:08
  ward: Yeah. But then Nikki brings it back inside the bedroom.
• 47:10
  Evan: She also cuts off Sarah's hair and puts it on her own head.
• 47:13
  bill: And then like attempts to recreate the tattoos on herself as well.
• 47:17
  Evan: Yeah. And I think I told you this too, in the TV, when they're in like the final
• 47:21
  Evan: scenes on the TV is a video of bear sleeping that Nikki took.
• 47:25
  bill: Yeah. Which the sleeping with the words.
• 47:28
  ward: Not her written on it.
• 47:30
  bill: Yes.
• 47:31
  ward: Or not me. Sorry. I mean, which. Yeah.
• 47:36
  ward: So many signs, so many chances bear could fucking do the right thing.
• 47:41
  bill: But you loved the sleeping thing because it really comes back what what,
• 47:48
  bill: what it made me think of was the way in which,
• 47:53
  bill: stephanie meyer and twilight with,
• 47:58
  bill: fuck edward that's the vampire um how that,
• 48:03
  bill: book, those books and the movies romanticized basically this kind of behavior,
• 48:11
  bill: this obsessive stalking behavior.
• 48:16
  bill: And one of the key points was he watches her while he's while she sleeps.
• 48:22
  bill: And isn't that romantic? It's like, no, that's fucking stalking.
• 48:27
  bill: That is obsessive stalking behavior it's not romantic it is dangerous and wrong,
• 48:36
  bill: and like this movie is like straight like it just takes all those toxic things that our culture has.
• 48:46
  bill: Largely led young girls to believe are supposed to be romantic that are actually toxic and abusive
• 48:53
  bill: and flips the narrative is like actually this shit is bad it's toxic it's abusive
• 48:59
  bill: and it's wrong and actually what you should be doing is talking to the people
• 49:05
  bill: talking to people you have feelings for and communicating things and treating them like whole people,
• 49:10
  bill: with their own rich inner lives and their own desires and free will.
• 49:15
  bill: That's what you should be doing.
• 49:17
  Evan: Yeah.
• 49:17
  bill: That's how you have a relationship with somebody.
• 49:20
  Evan: What do you think that... So, in the end, when Nikki has gone full after bashing
• 49:28
  Evan: Sarah's face in, and they're at Bear's apartment... Wait, I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 49:32
  bill: Right before that, I think we would be remiss to leave out that right before
• 49:37
  bill: that, as he's about to leave to go meet Sarah, Nikki, the real Nikki,
• 49:44
  bill: talks to him in her sleep.
• 49:45
  Evan: Says, kill me.
• 49:47
  ward: Yeah.
• 49:48
  bill: She says, it's not me. Kill me.
• 49:49
  Evan: And she's like, don't wake her up. Like, she's actually like,
• 49:52
  Evan: the wish Nikki is sleeping for once.
• 49:55
  bill: Yeah, yeah, she says, she's like, she's sleeping.
• 49:57
  Evan: Like, don't wake her up.
• 49:58
  ward: Yeah, please don't wake her up.
• 50:00
  bill: Please don't wake her up. Kill me.
• 50:02
  Evan: And he just leaves.
• 50:03
  bill: And he leaves. And he leaves, and then goes to Sarah and is immediately titillated
• 50:10
  bill: when he's starting to feel like, oh, I'm getting the attention I want.
• 50:14
  ward: Mm-hmm. He was totally gonna kiss her in that car.
• 50:16
  bill: 100%.
• 50:17
  Evan: Yes.
• 50:18
  ward: Nikki justified, question mark?
• 50:22
  bill: She would be justified if she killed him.
• 50:25
  Evan: Yeah, wrong window.
• 50:27
  bill: Yeah, wrong window. Yeah.
• 50:29
  Evan: The great part about that scene is you knew something was gonna happen,
• 50:33
  Evan: but they drag it out back and forth, you know, back and forth on each window.
• 50:37
  Evan: And you're like, what's going to happen? What are you going to do?
• 50:40
  bill: And yes, despite the fact that they, as Ward has said, they cut the brick scene,
• 50:44
  bill: the brick scene also goes on for a while.
• 50:48
  ward: The unrated, the unrated cut of this movie is like one minute longer and it's all brick scene.
• 50:56
  bill: Jesus Christ. That scene is already really long.
• 51:01
  ward: I'm actually, I want more.
• 51:03
  Evan: You know why they had to cut some of it? Because it wouldn't have had left any
• 51:06
  Evan: face left for her to like cut it off.
• 51:08
  ward: Sleep yeah that in like um actual like.
• 51:11
  Evan: Production reasons.
• 51:12
  ward: They wanted a wider release for the.
• 51:14
  Evan: Movie when.
• 51:14
  bill: They when they cut to sarah's face after that holy shit that's one of those
• 51:21
  bill: brutal that's one of those brutal things i've ever seen in a movie and i've
• 51:23
  bill: seen some fucked up movies.
• 51:24
  ward: I've seen a.
• 51:25
  bill: Lot of fucked up movies that's one of those brutal things i've ever seen in a fucking movie.
• 51:29
  Evan: So after that happens and the bear that happens and they're back at the apartment
• 51:33
  Evan: bear locks himself into the bathroom and first he has a gun and he's thinking
• 51:37
  Evan: of shooting himself but he's a wimp and he can't do it and then he starts taking it.
• 51:40
  ward: Comes down to him being a coward he's a fucking coward yeah from the beginning.
• 51:45
  Evan: He takes a bunch of pills and then right after he's taking a bunch of pills
• 51:48
  Evan: you hear the one wish willow sound it's the jinkle the jinkle,
• 51:54
  Evan: Because Nikki has found it. What do you think she wished for? I have my thought.
• 51:58
  ward: Well, real quick. First, he tries to throw up the pills.
• 52:01
  Evan: Yes, he does.
• 52:02
  ward: And he tries to back out. Well, he can't because he gets interrupted by the wish.
• 52:07
  Evan: Yes, yes, yes.
• 52:09
  ward: So, like, even choosing the more arguably, and we probably shouldn't be talking
• 52:14
  ward: in these terms when it comes to fucking suicide.
• 52:17
  Evan: He's taking the humane way out. Is that what you're saying?
• 52:19
  ward: Well like he's choosing the arguably
• 52:22
  ward: more coward way out taking the pills overshooting himself and then even,
• 52:26
  ward: then more cowardly tries to throw out throw him up and back out of it yeah to,
• 52:33
  ward: keep the wish going to maintain control like oh maybe there's some other way
• 52:36
  ward: out of this instead of just i don't know killing himself,
• 52:41
  ward: like he should be doing in that fucking moment or what he should have done earlier
• 52:46
  ward: like nikki fucking begged him to do which was fucking kill her.
• 52:50
  Evan: Before she had to then commit her own murder.
• 52:52
  ward: Before she had to kill sarah kill ian and then be left with fucking bear's dead body up to you.
• 52:59
  Evan: So i think that she wished that bear loved him her more than anything else in the world.
• 53:05
  bill: I think she wished,
• 53:09
  bill: bear loved her the way she loved him.
• 53:15
  ward: That's what i'm.
• 53:15
  Evan: Thinking but as wish nikki or not wish as wish nikki like okay.
• 53:20
  bill: As like that yeah like she for the wish recreated the.
• 53:26
  Evan: Mutual mutual obsession.
• 53:28
  ward: Yeah for me the one is while like she's watching him sleep and she's like i
• 53:33
  ward: feel like you don't love me like i love you like it's not mutual.
• 53:38
  Evan: Yeah yes.
• 53:38
  ward: Exactly like that's what makes me feel like.
• 53:42
  Evan: And then he comes out because all of a sudden he's like oh i can't die because
• 53:45
  Evan: i now i love you for real real.
• 53:47
  bill: I that was that was my was like it's just it's a mirroring that's that's how i.
• 53:52
  Evan: Because she's making the wish as wish nikki not making the wish as right real
• 53:57
  Evan: she can't make the wish as real nikki and then yeah and then she as soon as
• 54:00
  Evan: he then dies in her arms wish nikki goes away,
• 54:04
  Evan: and now she's fucking the most like it's really a brutal sad ending i mean i think if real nikki.
• 54:10
  ward: Got a chance to make that wish she would wish to fucking die oh yeah.
• 54:14
  Evan: Period or she wished that bear dies.
• 54:17
  ward: Well she doesn't know that like yeah he needs to die.
• 54:21
  Evan: True for.
• 54:22
  ward: The wish to be over true and she's already begged for herself to be fucking killed.
• 54:27
  Evan: She.
• 54:28
  ward: Hates her existence.
• 54:30
  Evan: What you, Cory Barker said that he believes that she would, Nikki would then
• 54:33
  Evan: just go to prison for a long time and has no way to defend anything because she can't remember it.
• 54:41
  ward: I think she might be able to remember a lot more than like people would give
• 54:46
  ward: her credit for because like I feel like it's maybe it's not like 100% like get
• 54:50
  ward: out moment where like she's in the back watching everything.
• 54:53
  ward: But like she's not completely detached.
• 54:56
  bill: No.
• 54:57
  Evan: If she was completely detached.
• 54:58
  bill: She wouldn't be screaming.
• 54:59
  ward: And even then, like, she has to explain completely unbelievable circumstances,
• 55:07
  ward: to American law enforcement who doesn't give a fuck.
• 55:11
  bill: First of all, this is a technical note. Evan, we definitely need to put some
• 55:16
  bill: kind of trigger warning regarding discussion of suicide in the beginning of
• 55:20
  bill: the episode, an audio point about lengthy discussion about suicide.
• 55:25
  bill: And for, you know, you can leave this in there.
• 55:28
  bill: I will say this, for those of you who are listening, if you've just listened
• 55:31
  bill: to us discuss suicide and all
• 55:34
  bill: this, please understand that we are not completely unfeeling about that.
• 55:42
  bill: At least two of us here have discussed at length, between the three of us,
• 55:46
  bill: at least two of us here have discussed at length the fact that we have suffered
• 55:50
  bill: from suicidal ideation and chronic depression for large portions of our lives.
• 55:56
  bill: We are not unfeeling or unaware of how serious that kind of thing is.
• 56:03
  bill: That said, I think that the fact that Corey, uh, uh, fucking Corey Barker,
• 56:10
  bill: thinks that she would go to prison to me says he has certainly never had any
• 56:16
  bill: kind of suicidal ideation because to me my immediate thought is oh you fucking kill yourself
• 56:21
  bill: okay so it's like real quick you only have one option this one like nope there's always that one.
• 56:27
  ward: So the original ending she kills herself that was the original ending that curry
• 56:32
  ward: barker wanted was that she killed herself and then like he talked with the crew
• 56:36
  ward: and like everyone else and was like okay it's kind of bleak so let's like.
• 56:39
  bill: Yeah let's try let's.
• 56:40
  ward: Try a different one.
• 56:41
  bill: I think it's good to leave it open i think i think it's arguable to say that
• 56:49
  bill: it's less bleak for her to not kill herself on screen i don't know about that,
• 56:57
  bill: yeah seriously but you know.
• 57:00
  Evan: Six one way,
• 57:03
  Evan: The thing that you actually would hope would honestly happen,
• 57:05
  Evan: the best case scenario, is she leaves, she finds all of Ian's money,
• 57:12
  Evan: gets a bunch of it, and leaves the country.
• 57:16
  ward: See, my happy headcanon was that Fleezacine calls in saying that she has been
• 57:25
  ward: under Bear's control this whole time,
• 57:30
  ward: and then tries to plead out that way.
• 57:33
  ward: that like it was bear that killed sarah and ian,
• 57:37
  ward: and they committed suicide and i was able to get out like that would be that's
• 57:42
  ward: my happy headcanon is that's how she makes it out and then she becomes a writer,
• 57:46
  ward: she's able to tell her story she grows from it,
• 57:50
  ward: like that's my happy headcanon like probably not fucking happening but like,
• 57:55
  ward: that's but if in this world the one wishwello.
• 57:58
  Evan: Do like police believe that the one wish.
• 58:00
  ward: Wallow is real?
• 58:01
  bill: Fuck no.
• 58:02
  Evan: No, right?
• 58:03
  ward: No, you can literally be too smart to be a cop in this country.
• 58:07
  ward: You think they'll figure out magic? Fuck out of here.
• 58:13
  Evan: Oh, man.
• 58:16
  bill: The one wish willow is such a bizarre fucking thing.
• 58:21
  bill: Like it's a toy they sell for six 99 that grants wishes.
• 58:27
  Evan: Weird world.
• 58:28
  bill: I see.
• 58:29
  ward: I even like the theory that the, the, like the shop owner, like lady behind
• 58:34
  ward: the counter cash register in the beginning, like she uses a one wish willow.
• 58:39
  ward: And that's the man we see later is because they're trans and that was their wish.
• 58:44
  ward: And that's, that's why I love that. It's like, oh, can you make a wish?
• 58:47
  ward: No, I already made my wish. Like, we see that.
• 58:50
  bill: Yeah, I love that.
• 58:52
  ward: Didn't make an evil shitty wish. No problems. No fucking blowback from that wish.
• 58:58
  bill: Yeah.
• 58:59
  Evan: Not at all.
• 59:00
  ward: Even then with fucking Ian's wish, what fucking blowback is that except for
• 59:04
  ward: the physical fucking mass of a billion dollars in your house? And even then...
• 59:08
  Evan: Yeah, and then he dies.
• 59:10
  ward: You have a billion dollars. Like, is the mass that big of a problem now?
• 59:15
  ward: See, Ian would have been fine if he didn't go over to his fucking friend's house
• 59:18
  ward: though. If he just stayed at home with his billion dollars, he'd be alive.
• 59:21
  Evan: That's true. He's not exactly a smart guy.
• 59:23
  ward: No, not at all.
• 59:25
  bill: No.
• 59:25
  Evan: He's a fucking idiot.
• 59:27
  ward: Yeah. He's a piece of shit. And like another note to why he's a piece of shit
• 59:31
  ward: is like whenever, um, like they're all out, uh, drinking and like Nikki,
• 59:36
  ward: like at the beginning of Nikki's like, Oh, I want to go home.
• 59:38
  ward: Like, just give me a fucking ride home. And bears like, I'll give you a ride home.
• 59:41
  ward: And Ian's like, Oh yeah, go ahead and take your girl home.
• 59:45
  ward: and like she fucking hates that and it's like kind of shows Ian's character
• 59:49
  ward: is that like we find out later that like he's been sleeping with Nikki and so
• 59:53
  ward: it shows that like he either views her as his girl or Bear's girl.
• 59:58
  Evan: Yeah somebody else's.
• 1:00:01
  ward: He doesn't see her as her own person.
• 1:00:04
  bill: Yeah. I'm trying to find evidence that the shop owner.
• 1:00:07
  Evan: I don't think that ever came up in any of it.
• 1:00:09
  ward: It's a theory. It's a, it's yeah, it's a fan theory. I like it.
• 1:00:13
  bill: I know that I'm no, I meant I'm literally looking at the movie and I'm like,
• 1:00:17
  bill: is there a, is there a tell?
• 1:00:19
  bill: Like, is there a clothing? Yeah, is there a tell? Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Evan: Well, I do know until Curry Parker's next film he's making is set in the same
• 1:00:27
  Evan: universe. And he said the only nod of this movie will be that there'll be like
• 1:00:32
  Evan: a news story on TV in the background talking about what happened during this movie.
• 1:00:38
  ward: I think that's a nice touch. Like, make it in-universe, different story,
• 1:00:43
  ward: just to have it referenced in like a TV show or a newspaper in the background.
• 1:00:46
  ward: Granted, nobody's watching.
• 1:00:47
  Evan: And the cast is crazy. Did you see the cast of his new movie?
• 1:00:50
  Evan: It is, I'm trying to think. It's called Anything But Ghosts,
• 1:00:55
  Evan: and it's starring Cooper Tomlinson, Bryce Dallas Howard, Aaron Paul, and Violet McGraw.
• 1:01:02
  ward: I'm in.
• 1:01:02
  Evan: And most of the people became attached to the film, I think,
• 1:01:05
  Evan: after this had been released. It seems like Blumhouse was the production company
• 1:01:11
  Evan: from the first one, and I'm guessing they saw, oh, damn, this dude's got some
• 1:01:15
  Evan: skills. We'll be in his movie.
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  ward: Have you ever seen any of the.
• 1:01:19
  bill: He has a couple guest appearances and it's always sunny.
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  Evan: People don't I guess people.
• 1:01:22
  ward: Don't also realize.
• 1:01:22
  Evan: That in they have a bunch of sketches with Cooper Tomlinson and Corey Barker.
• 1:01:27
  ward: Yeah started out as a YouTuber any seen any of his YouTube videos a couple I
• 1:01:33
  ward: like the Dune Intervention one yeah that one is that one's hilarious they have
• 1:01:37
  ward: intervention for their friend his YouTube channel has 605.
• 1:01:41
  Evan: Million views I'm sure many after the.
• 1:01:44
  ward: Oh yeah probably but yeah I didn't see i think it's called this.
• 1:01:47
  Evan: Is a bad idea.
• 1:01:48
  ward: It's like deeply unsettling and uncomfortable a lot of the watch do we get.
• 1:01:53
  Evan: Ward's uh miserable marxist take on this movie.
• 1:01:57
  bill: Well because miserable marxist we only have miserable marxist responses to movies
• 1:02:02
  bill: that we would otherwise enjoy but have terrible messages and this movie the
• 1:02:06
  bill: only miserable marxist response to this is that american movie moviegoers.
• 1:02:11
  ward: Can't yeah that's a big thing yeah you're right i could be i could be i could bash it like how i um,
• 1:02:18
  ward: In similar vein where it's like, um, like how I did, like how I feel about squid
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  ward: games where it's like, you know, sometimes you got to be more overt.
• 1:02:26
  ward: You got to really bash people over the fucking head to get a point across.
• 1:02:30
  ward: And yeah, this movie could definitely do that.
• 1:02:32
  ward: Like, no, rape is a really fucking bad thing. Like controlling your partner
• 1:02:37
  ward: or somebody who doesn't even in, isn't even in a relationship with you is a fucking evil thing.
• 1:02:44
  ward: like you know they could probably go more overt on that as my miserable marxist take.
• 1:02:50
  bill: Yeah but at a certain point you're actually just.
• 1:02:51
  ward: Like yeah it's gonna pull away from the movie yeah yeah,
• 1:02:56
  ward: it's hard to blend like a super over the top yeah thematic theme when you want
• 1:03:04
  ward: to try to maintain a form like
• 1:03:06
  ward: it's hard to do it sometimes you can snow piercer would be a great example for
• 1:03:10
  ward: me yeah but yeah it's just he treads that yeah it's hard to do i will admit.
• 1:03:17
  bill: Yeah, there's a reason he's like.
• 1:03:20
  ward: You know, he's the goat.
• 1:03:24
  bill: Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah, I almost said exactly. I almost said exactly.
• 1:03:30
  bill: Okay, there's a reason he's the goat, but that's not a term I really ever use.
• 1:03:33
  bill: And it felt awkward and weird for me to say it.
• 1:03:41
  Evan: Well, I got nothing else. Well, what's he do?
• 1:03:46
  bill: I mean, this, this is a movie that proves that, you know, for all the talk about,
• 1:03:51
  bill: you know, the dying in the movie industry and the way these people,
• 1:03:54
  bill: these execs talk about things that really, you know, people do want to go to the movies.
• 1:03:59
  bill: They just want good original content.
• 1:04:03
  bill: It doesn't have to have the fucking rock in it. It doesn't have to have Chris Pratt in it.
• 1:04:08
  bill: You know, it doesn't have to have a goddamn superhero. and i'm not trying to
• 1:04:12
  bill: you know i i like superhero stuff sometimes occasionally oh she.
• 1:04:18
  ward: Wants to be in a marvel movie after this oh.
• 1:04:23
  bill: She was walking dog before this movie.
• 1:04:25
  ward: I don't fucking blame her for one in the fucking bag.
• 1:04:27
  Evan: Yeah she got 24 grand for this.
• 1:04:29
  bill: Movie you mean she wants to be able to pay her bills for the rest of her life i'm not shocked.
• 1:04:33
  Evan: Uh let her do that then she.
• 1:04:35
  bill: But like, you know, people, people want fucking people want movies and they
• 1:04:42
  bill: will go to the movies to watch them.
• 1:04:44
  bill: Stop underestimating.
• 1:04:47
  bill: Stop belittling audiences and stop thinking people can't fucking understand movies or enjoy them.
• 1:04:54
  Evan: This movie outgrossed a Star Wars movie. Think about that. This movie is.
• 1:05:00
  bill: Which one? Do you mean Grogu thing?
• 1:05:03
  Evan: I mean, regardless of how good it is, the Mandalorian movie, but the fact that- Okay.
• 1:05:09
  ward: Bill, 10 years ago, I tell you, hey, some,
• 1:05:15
  ward: random YouTuber that you don't really know is going to make a horror movie that's
• 1:05:19
  ward: going to outgross a blockbuster Star Wars theatrical release.
• 1:05:25
  ward: Would you fucking believe that 10 years ago?
• 1:05:27
  bill: No.
• 1:05:28
  ward: It's been seven years since the Star Wars movie was in theaters.
• 1:05:31
  ward: Like, so even knowing Grogu is a piece of shit, like.
• 1:05:37
  bill: Do you mean personally, Grogu himself is a piece of shit?
• 1:05:39
  ward: The Grogu movie.
• 1:05:44
  bill: He does eat frogs, helpless frogs.
• 1:05:47
  ward: I haven't watched the movie. All I know about it is.
• 1:05:49
  bill: I didn't see the movie either.
• 1:05:50
  ward: Apparently Yoda's species instinctually builds those little mud hut homes.
• 1:05:57
  ward: I like that. what what yeah like yoda's yoda's house.
• 1:06:05
  Evan: Oh that's just like instinct,
• 1:06:09
  Evan: what the fuck yeah we've gone out the rails you saw this.
• 1:06:12
  bill: Movie in the theaters is that real is that true yeah what the fuck,
• 1:06:19
  bill: see.
• 1:06:20
  Evan: You may as well see it it's not it's it's it's it's it's fine you know it's
• 1:06:24
  Evan: nothing off the chart it's too long,
• 1:06:29
  Evan: yeah i want you for free yeah oh yeah all right everyone well um this is left
• 1:06:35
  Evan: to the projector for myself bill work don't drink and drive.