Latest / Crime and Horror / You Can't Feed The Trolls BUT You Can HUNT Them
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Today's story is about a group of internet gamers who
- 0:02Speaker 1: played together for years, but one day, in their online world,
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- 0:39Speaker 1: get into today's story. At three point thirty pm on
- 0:58Speaker 1: July twenty seventh, twenty nineteen, a twenty two year old
- 1:01Speaker 1: college student named Nicole logged onto her gaming computer in
- 1:04Speaker 1: her bedroom in North Carolina. Nicole had spent the morning
- 1:07Speaker 1: and the early part of the afternoon studying, but now
- 1:10Speaker 1: she could finally kick back and relax and play her
- 1:12Speaker 1: favorite video game, an online multiplayer combat game called Perfect World,
- 1:17Speaker 1: where people battled each other as characters inspired by Chinese mythology.
- 1:21Speaker 1: Perfect World was a pretty niche game, so not a
- 1:23Speaker 1: whole lot of people played it or even knew about it.
- 1:25Speaker 1: But Nicole loved it, and she played it basically every
- 1:28Speaker 1: day for the past few years was totally hooked on it,
- 1:31Speaker 1: and in playing it, she had met about a dozen
- 1:34Speaker 1: other people from all over the world who also were
- 1:36Speaker 1: obsessed with this game, and together they had formed a
- 1:39Speaker 1: virtual community and they used a messaging app called Discord
- 1:43Speaker 1: to communicate with each other outside of the game. So
- 1:46Speaker 1: on this particular day, after Nicole loaded up Perfect World,
- 1:49Speaker 1: she also opened up her Discord chat and she saw
- 1:52Speaker 1: already that several of her friends were online and they
- 1:55Speaker 1: were all talking on the general chat inside of their server,
- 1:58Speaker 1: and so Nicole began perusing the messas and she saw
- 2:01Speaker 1: the general theme of the messages being passed was about
- 2:04Speaker 1: one of the other users on their server, somebody who
- 2:07Speaker 1: went by the username men Has. So as far as
- 2:10Speaker 1: everyone knew on this Discord server men Haas, they didn't
- 2:13Speaker 1: know his real name, was a college student, and he
- 2:16Speaker 1: was basically known to be a huge troll, which meanti
- 2:19Speaker 1: said and did really offensive things in particular on this
- 2:22Speaker 1: Discord server just to get people's reactions because of his
- 2:26Speaker 1: trolling behavior. He had actually been previously kicked out of
- 2:29Speaker 1: the server and also kicked out of the game Perfect World,
- 2:32Speaker 1: like the game they're all connected on this Discord server
- 2:35Speaker 1: through he had been booted from both of those platforms
- 2:38Speaker 1: in the past, but in previous occasions when that happened,
- 2:41Speaker 1: Menhaz would plead his case and say, he's not going
- 2:44Speaker 1: to do it anymore, He's going to behave, and eventually
- 2:46Speaker 1: the moderators would just let him back in. And so
- 2:49Speaker 1: currently men Haas was back on the Discord server, and
- 2:53Speaker 1: he was back to his trolling ways. But as Nicole
- 2:56Speaker 1: scanned through the general chat and went back and actually
- 2:58Speaker 1: saw what menhas had been saying that day, that basically
- 3:02Speaker 1: had stirred up everybody else on the server to say, look,
- 3:04Speaker 1: he's back to his trolling ways. When she went back
- 3:06Speaker 1: and actually saw what Menhaz was saying, Nicole couldn't help
- 3:10Speaker 1: but feel like today's trolling just felt different. Menhaz was
- 3:14Speaker 1: talking about this apparently brilliant four step plan he had
- 3:18Speaker 1: that was going to completely revolutionize his life and basically
- 3:22Speaker 1: set him up for big success in his life. Going forward. However,
- 3:26Speaker 1: this plan he was talking about, this four step plan,
- 3:29Speaker 1: was not only totally outrageous, but just seemed impossible. Like
- 3:34Speaker 1: what he was saying he was going to do just
- 3:36Speaker 1: didn't seem possible even by Menhaz's standards, like within his
- 3:40Speaker 1: trolling standards, this was a bridge too far. This isn't
- 3:44Speaker 1: even trolling. This is just weird what you're proposing. And
- 3:47Speaker 1: so basically, the chatter on the Discord server this day
- 3:49Speaker 1: that Nicole was seeing was how nobody believed this four
- 3:52Speaker 1: step plan was a real thing, Like this is just
- 3:54Speaker 1: classic Menhaz trolling. And Nicole too, she also did not
- 3:58Speaker 1: believe this plan was serious. She did not think for
- 4:00Speaker 1: a second Menhaz was going to do this, and so
- 4:03Speaker 1: she just kind of rolled her eyes, ignored menhas minimized
- 4:06Speaker 1: the Discord server, and just enjoyed playing the game Perfect World.
- 4:10Speaker 1: And after a while, after you know, a couple of
- 4:11Speaker 1: battles that she won and a couple of battles that
- 4:13Speaker 1: she lost in this game, she paused for a second
- 4:16Speaker 1: and noticed there was a whole bunch of new notifications
- 4:19Speaker 1: on their Discord server. And so, because Nicole was already
- 4:22Speaker 1: taking a break from the game. She opened up the
- 4:24Speaker 1: Discord server to see what was going on, and right
- 4:26Speaker 1: away she saw the main topic of discussion was once
- 4:29Speaker 1: again Menhaz and his four step plan, but specifically, Menhaz
- 4:34Speaker 1: had just sent a picture through the Discord server that
- 4:37Speaker 1: apparently represented completing step one of this four step plan.
- 4:42Speaker 1: He basically said, look, I did it. I've done one.
- 4:45Speaker 1: I'm on to step two now, and everybody's looking at
- 4:47Speaker 1: this picture thinking, wait a minute, he's actually doing this.
- 4:50Speaker 1: This can't be real. And Nicole, when she looked at
- 4:53Speaker 1: this picture, she too thought like, no way, this is
- 4:56Speaker 1: not possible. He did not do this, and in fact,
- 4:58Speaker 1: her first thought was, Okay, maybe this image was created
- 5:01Speaker 1: by AI or something, or you know, maybe he pulled
- 5:04Speaker 1: this image off a website somewhere and is pretending it's authentic.
- 5:07Speaker 1: But it can't possibly be something he actually took a
- 5:10Speaker 1: picture of. He couldn't have done this, and so pretty
- 5:13Speaker 1: quickly Nicole, despite seeing this image, she agreed with the
- 5:17Speaker 1: consensus that menhas is still just trolling us. This picture
- 5:21Speaker 1: is not proof that he's really doing this four step plan,
- 5:24Speaker 1: and so Nicole went back to playing Perfect World, and
- 5:27Speaker 1: about an hour later she noticed there were all sorts
- 5:29Speaker 1: of new notifications on her Discord server, and so once
- 5:32Speaker 1: again she stopped her game. She opened up the Discord server,
- 5:35Speaker 1: and once again the entire chat was dominated about menhas
- 5:39Speaker 1: because Menhaz had sent a second picture apparently representing him
- 5:44Speaker 1: completing the second step of his big four step plan.
- 5:47Speaker 1: And once again everyone's saying, there's no way he's trolling us,
- 5:50Speaker 1: as can't be real. And Nicole she looked at the
- 5:53Speaker 1: image itself, and she too thought this has got to
- 5:55Speaker 1: be trolling. But now she wasn't just filled with pure disbelief,
- 6:00Speaker 1: you know, she wasn't able to just completely discard what
- 6:02Speaker 1: was happening here, because part of her was thinking, like,
- 6:05Speaker 1: how is Menhaz getting these hyper specific images that really
- 6:09Speaker 1: are tethered to this exact plan he's laid out, Like
- 6:13Speaker 1: how does he have these images? Where are they coming from? Now?
- 6:16Speaker 1: This was back in twenty nineteen, and certainly AI technology existed,
- 6:20Speaker 1: but not the way it does now, where you know,
- 6:22Speaker 1: the average user can literally in seconds create hyper specific
- 6:26Speaker 1: images using AI. In twenty nineteen, that really wasn't available
- 6:29Speaker 1: to most people, and so really the only way Menhaz
- 6:32Speaker 1: could potentially have these images at least in Nicole's mind,
- 6:36Speaker 1: was he had to have pulled them off some website
- 6:38Speaker 1: somewhere and basically pretended they were images that he took.
- 6:41Speaker 1: And so Nicole decided she was actually going to take
- 6:43Speaker 1: the two images he had sent and reverse image searched
- 6:46Speaker 1: them to try to figure out where they came from,
- 6:48Speaker 1: you know, find the website where he's pulling them from,
- 6:51Speaker 1: because clearly these pictures are not authentic. There's no way
- 6:54Speaker 1: Menhas actually took these photos. But when Nicole reverse image
- 6:59Speaker 1: search both images, nothing came up. Now Nicole thought, okay,
- 7:04Speaker 1: that does seem to suggest these are authentic pictures he
- 7:07Speaker 1: really did take, which maybe means he's actually doing this plan,
- 7:10Speaker 1: even though that seemed totally preposterous. Or she thought, maybe,
- 7:14Speaker 1: you know, these images have been pulled from such an
- 7:17Speaker 1: obscure website somewhere that I don't have access to, you know,
- 7:21Speaker 1: finding them in a reverse image search, that maybe that's
- 7:23Speaker 1: what it is. And so at this point Nicole told herself,
- 7:26Speaker 1: you know what, there's got to be a reasonable explanation
- 7:28Speaker 1: for this. But I'll tell you this, it can't be
- 7:30Speaker 1: that Menhas is actually following through on this plan. It's
- 7:33Speaker 1: not possible, and so once again she minimized the Discord
- 7:37Speaker 1: server and got back into the game, but pretty quickly
- 7:40Speaker 1: Nicole just stopped playing the game because her mind was
- 7:43Speaker 1: totally fixated on whatever was going on with Menhas. And
- 7:46Speaker 1: so she opened up the Discord server again and she
- 7:49Speaker 1: saw still everybody in the chat was talking about Menhas
- 7:52Speaker 1: and these two pictures he had sent, and basically the
- 7:54Speaker 1: server was divided. About half the members believed this really
- 7:57Speaker 1: was just Menha's trolling, and the other half was starting
- 8:00Speaker 1: to think that, hey, guys, this might be real. He
- 8:03Speaker 1: might actually be carrying out this four step plan. Those
- 8:06Speaker 1: pictures might be real. And if that's the case, we
- 8:09Speaker 1: have a huge problem because this plan, if he actually
- 8:12Speaker 1: carries it out, is so completely illegal. He can't do this.
- 8:17Speaker 1: This is not okay. And so the faction of members
- 8:19Speaker 1: on the Discord server that was starting to sense that
- 8:22Speaker 1: this four step plan of men Haazes might actually be
- 8:24Speaker 1: real began to talk internally and they said, look like,
- 8:27Speaker 1: we can't just sit here and do nothing. If Menhas
- 8:30Speaker 1: is actually doing this, we have to stop him. This
- 8:33Speaker 1: is not okay. And so, in fact, one of these
- 8:36Speaker 1: members actually contacted their local police and told them, Hey,
- 8:39Speaker 1: there's this guy on my discord server. You know, his
- 8:41Speaker 1: username is Menhas. I don't have his actual name, but
- 8:45Speaker 1: he's doing something that could be very bad and you
- 8:47Speaker 1: need to look into it. And so the dispatcher said, okay,
- 8:50Speaker 1: well you know where does Menhas live? And the person
- 8:54Speaker 1: who had called was like, well, I don't actually know.
- 8:56Speaker 1: In fact, I really don't know much about him other
- 8:58Speaker 1: than the fact that he goes by Menhas and he
- 9:01Speaker 1: sent these crazy pictures that could be real or not,
- 9:03Speaker 1: I don't know. And so eventually the dispatcher just said,
- 9:06Speaker 1: look like, I get it that you're concerned, but we
- 9:09Speaker 1: have nothing to go on here. And remember this is
- 9:12Speaker 1: the Internet. People make stuff up all the time. And
- 9:14Speaker 1: so pretty quickly after that, the police officer just hung
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- 10:34Speaker 1: So at this point Nicole and the other members of
- 10:37Speaker 1: the Discord Server, who were starting to suspect that what
- 10:39Speaker 1: Menhas was doing could be real, at this point they
- 10:43Speaker 1: felt really alone. I mean, the local police was not
- 10:45Speaker 1: taking this seriously, which did make sense, I mean, they
- 10:47Speaker 1: had nothing to go on, but as a result, it
- 10:50Speaker 1: was like nobody was doing anything about what Menhas was claiming.
- 10:54Speaker 1: And Nicole and the other members, who again were beginning
- 10:57Speaker 1: to sense this could be real, they felt variable about
- 11:00Speaker 1: just sitting here doing nothing, and so Nicole and a
- 11:03Speaker 1: few other members of the Discord server decided to team
- 11:07Speaker 1: up digitally and actually investigate Menhaz themself, try to figure
- 11:11Speaker 1: out like who this guy is and really what's he
- 11:14Speaker 1: up to. And so Nicole and this new investigative group
- 11:17Speaker 1: started by combing through all the chat logs in their
- 11:20Speaker 1: Discord server to see if Menhaz at any point had
- 11:23Speaker 1: either intentionally or unintentionally dropped hints about his real name
- 11:28Speaker 1: and his location. And eventually they came across a message
- 11:32Speaker 1: where Menhaz actually said his real first name was Menhaz.
- 11:36Speaker 1: That wasn't just his username, that was his real name,
- 11:39Speaker 1: and that was great because Menhaz was a pretty unique name.
- 11:42Speaker 1: And so Nicole and the group thought, okay, well, if
- 11:44Speaker 1: we find where in the world that name is somewhat common,
- 11:47Speaker 1: maybe that will give us a rough idea of where
- 11:50Speaker 1: to look for menhas in the world. They also knew
- 11:53Speaker 1: that Menhaz was a college student, or at least he
- 11:55Speaker 1: claimed to be. Now he never actually said where he
- 11:57Speaker 1: went to college, but he would offer and in the
- 12:00Speaker 1: Discord server tell people when he was going to be
- 12:03Speaker 1: on the server and when he was going to be
- 12:05Speaker 1: off the server for classes and for studying and that
- 12:08Speaker 1: kind of thing. He would say, Okay, hey, I'll be
- 12:10Speaker 1: on at six pm tonight, I'll be off at nine,
- 12:12Speaker 1: I'll be back on at eight. He would give these
- 12:14Speaker 1: specific times, and he would always use Eastern Standard Time
- 12:18Speaker 1: when he did that, and so a natural assumption that
- 12:20Speaker 1: Nicole and her group made was okay, very likely Menhaz
- 12:24Speaker 1: lives in the Eastern time zone, and that time zone
- 12:27Speaker 1: included the entire east coast of the United States, eastern
- 12:31Speaker 1: and central Canada, and also some countries in South and
- 12:34Speaker 1: Central America. But while that was helpful, it still created
- 12:38Speaker 1: too broad of an area in the world for this
- 12:41Speaker 1: group to realistically look for Menhas. It was nearly impossible
- 12:44Speaker 1: to actually figure out where he was. But they now
- 12:47Speaker 1: had a sense of where he could be, and they thought, okay, well,
- 12:50Speaker 1: why don't we ask somebody else in the Discord server
- 12:53Speaker 1: if they can try to track Menhas's IP address. An
- 12:56Speaker 1: IP address can be used to find the approximate geograph
- 13:00Speaker 1: location of a computer, and sure enough, someone in the
- 13:03Speaker 1: server said they could do that, and within a few
- 13:05Speaker 1: minutes they had tracked Menhaz's computer to Toronto, Canada. However,
- 13:09Speaker 1: right at the same time they were figuring this out,
- 13:12Speaker 1: Menhaz sent a third picture across the discord server, a
- 13:16Speaker 1: picture that showcased him completing step three of this four
- 13:20Speaker 1: step plan allegedly, and for Nicole and many other members
- 13:23Speaker 1: of this Discord server, this third picture really represented a
- 13:27Speaker 1: big shift, because now it was getting terrifying, because, look,
- 13:31Speaker 1: it seems pretty likely at this point that Menhaz is
- 13:35Speaker 1: actually doing this. This is real. How could he possibly
- 13:38Speaker 1: have these hyper specific photos that are perfectly syncd with
- 13:43Speaker 1: this four step plan he had come up with. This
- 13:45Speaker 1: feels real, and so Nicole she actually asked the person
- 13:49Speaker 1: who had traced his IP address to Toronto. She said, hey,
- 13:52Speaker 1: should we call the Toronto police and tell them what's
- 13:54Speaker 1: going on here? You know, maybe they can go find
- 13:57Speaker 1: him and stop him before he completes this plan. I mean,
- 13:59Speaker 1: he's apparently completed three steps. There's only one step left.
- 14:02Speaker 1: We have to stop him here. But the person who
- 14:05Speaker 1: had tracked his IP address to Toronto said, Look, what
- 14:08Speaker 1: are the police going to do. There's six million people
- 14:10Speaker 1: that live in Toronto and all we have is that
- 14:13Speaker 1: maybe his computer is in Toronto and maybe these pictures
- 14:16Speaker 1: are real. And also, by the way, it's pretty easy
- 14:19Speaker 1: to mask your IP address. You can use something called
- 14:22Speaker 1: a VPN or virtual private network that when you track
- 14:26Speaker 1: someone's IP address that has one of those working, it
- 14:28Speaker 1: will make it seem like their addresses for example, in
- 14:31Speaker 1: Toronto or Chicago or New York or Dallas or anywhere
- 14:35Speaker 1: in the world, when in reality their computer is somewhere
- 14:37Speaker 1: totally different. And so the police are not going to
- 14:40Speaker 1: launch a manhunt based on an IP address. It's not
- 14:42Speaker 1: one hundred percent accurate. And so basically Nicole realized that
- 14:46Speaker 1: even though they saw they are on the precipice, potentially
- 14:50Speaker 1: of Menhas committing some horrible crime and they can't do
- 14:53Speaker 1: anything about it because they don't really have any information
- 14:57Speaker 1: about Menhas. And so at this point everybody on the
- 14:59Speaker 1: disc discord server was basically begging Menhas to come clean,
- 15:04Speaker 1: tell us these photos are fake, tell us this plan
- 15:06Speaker 1: of yours is really just you trolling. But Menhas didn't
- 15:09Speaker 1: do that. He doubled down and said, oh no, these
- 15:12Speaker 1: are all real, and in fact, I'm going to complete
- 15:15Speaker 1: step four of this plan and complete the whole process
- 15:19Speaker 1: in thirty minutes. And after that all Nicole and the
- 15:22Speaker 1: other members of the Discord Server could do was just
- 15:25Speaker 1: try to convince Menhaz not to do this. Don't follow
- 15:29Speaker 1: through with this, don't complete the plan. You gotta stop,
- 15:31Speaker 1: it's not worth it. But menhas refused and said I'm
- 15:35Speaker 1: doing this no matter what, And sure enough, thirty minutes later,
- 15:39Speaker 1: Menhaz would send one final picture, the fourth picture, showcasing
- 15:43Speaker 1: that his four step plan was now complete. At this point,
- 15:47Speaker 1: someone from the Discord Server did call the Toronto Police.
- 15:50Speaker 1: The following day, at about three thirty pm, police officers
- 15:53Speaker 1: arrived outside of men Haaz's home, which it would turn
- 15:56Speaker 1: out was located in a small town just north of Toronto.
- 16:00Speaker 1: The IP address had been correct. By this point, it
- 16:03Speaker 1: had now been about twenty four hours since men Haaz
- 16:06Speaker 1: had sent the very first picture of his four step plan.
- 16:09Speaker 1: Police knocked on the front door, having no idea what
- 16:11Speaker 1: to expect here. They had seen the images Menhaz had
- 16:14Speaker 1: sent on the discord Server, but at this point until
- 16:17Speaker 1: they went inside, they had no idea if they were
- 16:20Speaker 1: dealing with a terrible crime or a terrible joke. When
- 16:23Speaker 1: the door opened, Menhaz himself was standing in the doorway.
- 16:27Speaker 1: He had a totally neutral, very calm expression on his face.
- 16:30Speaker 1: He was very gracious. He welcomed the police inside, and
- 16:33Speaker 1: when they stepped inside, they asked him, you know what's
- 16:36Speaker 1: going on here, and all men has said was you'll see.
- 16:40Speaker 1: So the police walked further into the home and eventually
- 16:42Speaker 1: made their way upstairs, and when they got up there,
- 16:45Speaker 1: they just froze. Because it would turn out men Haaz
- 16:48Speaker 1: was not trolling. Those pictures were not fake. He really
- 16:52Speaker 1: had carried out that four step plan, it would turn out,
- 16:55Speaker 1: for the past four years, men Haaz had been living
- 16:58Speaker 1: a double life. To his friends and family. He was
- 17:00Speaker 1: a college student studying engineering and he was on a
- 17:03Speaker 1: path to great success, when in reality, he dropped out
- 17:06Speaker 1: of college in his first year and just pretended to
- 17:09Speaker 1: go to school every day, when in reality, he would
- 17:12Speaker 1: just go to a local mall and hang out there,
- 17:14Speaker 1: and then in the evenings, when school was over and
- 17:17Speaker 1: he would come back home, he would just immerse himself
- 17:20Speaker 1: in video games, specifically that Perfect World game. That's what
- 17:23Speaker 1: he did. He just went to the mall and played
- 17:24Speaker 1: video games and lied to his friends and family. But
- 17:27Speaker 1: July twenty seventh, twenty nineteen, the day Menhas put his
- 17:31Speaker 1: four step plan into action. Was literally the last day
- 17:34Speaker 1: he could maintain this ruse because the next day, July
- 17:38Speaker 1: twenty eighth, twenty nineteen, was the day men Haas was
- 17:41Speaker 1: scheduled to graduate from his college, and so his friends
- 17:44Speaker 1: and family were all expecting to be there and to
- 17:46Speaker 1: see this amazing ceremony, and so to deal with the
- 17:49Speaker 1: fact that his real life and his fake life were
- 17:51Speaker 1: about to collide, Menhas came up with his four step
- 17:55Speaker 1: plan and he literally told the members of the Discord
- 17:58Speaker 1: Server about his big plan, but nobody believed him because
- 18:01Speaker 1: he was always trolling people. It just seemed like, oh,
- 18:03Speaker 1: this is made up, another one of Menhaz's lies. But
- 18:07Speaker 1: he was not lying. It was all true. Those pictures
- 18:09Speaker 1: that he sent across were absolutely authentic. He took those
- 18:12Speaker 1: pictures and they did represent completing each step in the plan.
- 18:17Speaker 1: The first picture was of his mother, the second picture
- 18:19Speaker 1: was of his grandmother, the third picture was of his sister,
- 18:22Speaker 1: and the fourth picture was of his father. And in
- 18:24Speaker 1: each picture those people were dead because Menhaz had spent
- 18:28Speaker 1: the day methodically killing his entire family to prevent them
- 18:33Speaker 1: finding out about his lie. He hit them over the
- 18:35Speaker 1: head with a crowbar and then slit their throats and
- 18:38Speaker 1: took a picture posted it to Discord. By the time
- 18:40Speaker 1: someone from Discord finally got in touch with the Toronto Police,
- 18:44Speaker 1: it was too late. Men Haas had obliterated his entire family.
- 18:48Speaker 1: Men Haas ultimately pleaded guilty to four counts of murder
- 18:51Speaker 1: and was sentenced to life in prison, with the possibility
- 18:54Speaker 1: of parole after forty years. Thank you so much for watching.
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