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Liberate Your Temple: Embracing Sex, Substance & Spirituality · Eye Opener Society

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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Eye Opener Society. Thank you so much for tuning
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in and welcome to the new season.
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We have so many things to get ready to do for this season. Lizzie and I have
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been talking in the background and we got so many great plans.
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But in the meantime, I want to thank you, the listeners, for all the downloads,
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for all the listens. It means so much.
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We appreciate you joining on the Thursday night sermons as well for my guided meditations.
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We took a little week break and we are back and we're excited about this.
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But first, I must give a disclaimer because we're going to be talking about some things. All right.
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Sensitive subject matters and also for some people who may have trigger warnings
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if you're involved in any kind of addictions, gambling, drinking,
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drugs, and that sort of thing.
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So I just wanted to give a fair warning on this. And I also want to let you
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know that Lizzie and I, we are not doctors, but we are going to talk about some,
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subject matters and there's a reason behind it.
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So I'm going to start off real quick by saying thank you to Appalachian Rootworks,
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Carly and And Carla, thank you so much for the opportunity to come down there
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and conduct my very first meditation class. It was absolutely amazing.
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Cat's out of the bag. We're going to be looking to relocate down to Cynthiana, Kentucky.
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Hopefully that can happen in December. And we can't wait because so many more
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opportunities are going to open up. So why don't we go ahead and get started on this show.
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Lizzie, how are you, buddy? How are you doing? Thank you for joining us here.
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Good. I'm just spring cleaning my life. Yes. And Lizzie, by the way,
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was 30 minutes late to the start of this year recording, but that's okay.
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We all got stuff we got to do.
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But listen, Lizzie, I brought up to you something a while ago.
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We were going to have an episode based solely on sex.
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And, you know, we kind of reconsidered because, I mean, I'm not doing it to
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get more listens. I'm not saying, hey, sex sells.
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There's a complete reason behind it.
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You and I are very open to each other.
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And obviously, we're probably going to be very open to the audience as well.
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We have had some, I'll say, colorful sexual pasts.
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Let's just say that.
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Nothing I'm going to sit here and hide behind and say, oh, this is bad.
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But here's the reason for the whole, well, the whole reason for me bringing it up.
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We have a ministry and over the years and then even more recently when i'm diving
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into different religions spirituality metaphysics no matter what it is,
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they're always saying something about sex and how you know the pearl clutchers
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basically oh my you can't join this religion, or you can't be part of his spiritual,
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if you're having crazy sex or whatever.
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I took this to heart a lot of times, and especially going through my studies,
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even the University of Metaphysics had a whole section in there on sex.
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And but it forewarned, do not overindulge.
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And to me, I'm like, Thank you.
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I overindulged in the past. But, you know, as a consenting adult in consenting situations,
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I've had, like I said, a very colorful sexual past.
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I've been involved in the swinger lifestyle with my ex-wife,
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and we had a very open relationship.
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And we've had numerous sexual partners and probably numerous sexual partners together all at once.
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And when you go into certain religions, this is so damn forbidden.
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And so it's basically saying, well, we're going to leave you out.
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So I brought that up. Just, Lizzie, give me some of your feedback.
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I know we spoke, but let's get this all out into the open.
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Well, you gave me a lot there, so... Um, first, I gotta say that I think religion
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really harps on things like sex and stuff,
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because they don't intend to, but people who are very minded that way have a
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very external sense of their power.
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And through connecting to your body and sexual energy is a really good way to
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reclaim your power back.
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And so by knocking that off the table, and I don't think they necessarily do
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it on purpose. It's just kind of like cause and effect.
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But I think that it becomes very problematic because when you start blocking off different ways.
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That you want to exist, it really starts limiting you down.
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And the thing is, is everything in this world, I've noticed,
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seems to start very much on polarity. Either you're very for something,
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or you're very against something.
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And then what always happens is when you hit your spiritual awakening,
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you tend to find that you more or less are doing, like, the opposite.
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Whatever it is, Like if you start very spiritual or very religious and very like clean purity idea,
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a lot of times when you go in and leave the church, whether temporary or not,
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I've seen this over and over again because I live in a very religious state.
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They get a little crazy. They're the ones at the bar that's like you're you're
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trying to keep them from getting arrested or something.
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You know, they just like swing so far the other way.
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And then I think the same thing happens for a lot of people uh in the,
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on the other end as well if they started super like self-exploratory and connecting
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to their body or anything you know or maybe just like being a rebel I don't
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know whatever their journey is
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a lot of times they end up swinging the other way and that's I think where you find a lot of people,
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who are very spiritual minded but still have it like listed off as one of those
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like lower residency activities,
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Because it just you just always kind of have to experience both of them,
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because I guess that's like the world we live in or something.
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But, oh, I have one more point to what you said, but now I don't remember.
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Maybe go ahead and interject with your thoughts now.
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OK, yeah, no worries. Interrupt me if you got your thought back.
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Yeah, I was pushing this because and it's not like I'm telling you go out there
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and have sex with multiple partners and all.
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It's just, I think each individual who's had any type of experience in the past
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or even currently should not be excluded,
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because I'm seeing it too in the spiritual community, of course,
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with the gatekeeping, oh, it's very low vibrational energy.
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I don't think sex is a very low vibrational energy.
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Then the other problem too is we have some people in the spiritual community
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that work with sex magic, you know, and it sometimes doesn't even have to include another person.
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It's masturbation and the orgasm becomes, you know, the key to getting all of the magic out there.
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So there are people that actually practice this.
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Why should we exclude and that's where i had the problem you know with this
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it's a very adult-like thing for us,
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as human beings to experience what we feel is right now we were talking how
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we our bodies are our temples and i said well why not party in it.
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I see you had I seen you had a thought there on your mind. Did you want to jump in?
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Oh yeah but now i got on the party in your temple yeah oh,
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but no i think it's so important the thing is is there's a reason why we all
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come down here and we start so different and we always.
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If we're being authentic with ourselves we never end where we start you know
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what i mean we're supposed to be partying in it and treating it as sacred and
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i don't think those things are mutually really exclusive things.
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You know what I mean? Now, if you don't feel good about going out and doing
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anything, like, then that's not a spiritually good thing for you.
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You know, if it brings guilt and shame, then that's not a good thing to explore
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for you right now. Maybe process why it brings that. Think about exploring it later.
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But if it's something that you want to do, then it's something that your soul
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is asking to explore and see what you're going to get from it.
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And I think that sex magic if so if you go back in history it sex has always
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been a very sacred activity
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and it's in basically all the ancient religions and stuff and it wasn't entirely
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got very patriarchal where instead of it was like two genders that like swirl
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around each other or whatever like two polarities it became like,
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uh tilted with an authority and a non-authority right and when it got tilted
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then sex became this like shameful activity,
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but truthfully everybody just shames everything we were we were gonna make this
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episode all about sex but then we were talking about it like it didn't really
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make sense to do it only about that
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because it really covers the whole aspect of all of it like alcohol.
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Nicotine um you know what i mean your your your bad quote music whatever it's
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not in the right frequency the thing is is.
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Nobody, okay, okay, if you,
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suddenly listened to, say, 432, which is the frequency of love,
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and you listened to that and only that, even if it felt good in the beginning,
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you'll eventually be numbed to it, and then you'll find it annoying.
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We're not meant to have, like, the same thing.
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I think the only time we really do that is when that's the groove that we found
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that's, like, safe for us. We generally do want to explore.
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And the thing is, is all of these things have way more to do with how you feel
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about them than what they actually are.
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If you're meditating every day, but you hate it and you feel like it's like
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the worst chore ever, but it's like you have to do it or life's forever going to suck.
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That's way worse for like your resonance than going and having a you're with a friend.
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Yes, that is all beautiful. And you've touched on a whole bunch of points.
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And I wanted to bring all of this up because, again, us as ministers for our
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own ministry, we're open arms to everybody. I'm not going to sit there and say,
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oh, because you've had sex in this way or that way, you can't join.
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I want to be that first type of ministry that allows people to explore safely,
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consensually, within legal limits, what they want.
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Now, and like you said, we didn't want to make this whole show about sex.
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It's one of my pushing points when it comes to spirituality and all,
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when everybody says, well, you have to do this and you shouldn't do it this way.
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But listen, but I want to bring up other things. Like we said,
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with alcohol, you know, I used to drink hard, you know, but it was never alcoholism.
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I just, when I did drink, oh, damn, I drank to the point where I built up such
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a resistance to alcohol.
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But I stopped over the years and I really calmed down.
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And I know I spoke to you a couple of times. Hey, I went out for a beer and damn, it felt good.
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Why should I feel guilty about that?
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But let me throw something else at you. Some ministries, some churches, tattoos, right?
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You're sinning by putting ink on your body. You know, that's the devil's curse
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or whatever the case may be.
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Why should, if I enjoy having tattoos, why should that be looked down upon?
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I don't want this ministry to become that whole, you know, we're an image and
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we're looking down on everybody.
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We're all part of everybody in every way And that's where acceptance comes in,
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So if you do want to enjoy that beer every now and then Or two or three and
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you want to have a good time As long as you're doing it safely You're not, you know,
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hurting yourself And you're not addicted to this kind of stuff Cigarettes,
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hey, Elaine, our other minister When I met her, I don't smoke But I sat in her
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car and we smoked tons of cigarettes together You know what?
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Hey, did it harm me?
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Did it feel good to sit with another human being that I really connected with
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and maybe share something like cigarettes? Big deal, right?
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I don't judge anybody for it.
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Because we could look at marijuana now, which is a big deal.
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It's illegal here. It's not legal there. People that use it.
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I don't see any reason why they should be looked down upon either.
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It's just one more vice that we find that helps us.
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And listen, we're going to get into pretty soon mushrooms too. The whole study on them.
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It's amazing how much this stuff actually helps us.
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And it could give us a spiritual gateway. What are your thoughts there, Lizzie?
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Oh, absolutely. Okay, so I have this belief.
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That if a truth emerges all over the planet at different times periods with
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different people, then there's some truth to it.
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And across the globe and throughout time, humans have always liked these mind-altering things.
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They've always been linked to just a part of living within reason and then for spiritual practices.
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They did these things in community and danced around and connected.
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And even if you're not having, like, you know, even if you're not doing psychedelics
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and meeting your, like, whatever god you're connecting with or whatever.
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You could still drink and dance around a fire.
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And that bonding that you guys would do alone would create the kind of loyalty
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that would be necessary for these communities to actually protect each other.
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You know, if you think about it in a hunter-gatherer society,
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when the men would go hunting, okay, I'm going to say people because that's
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very stereotypical. They're finding a lot more women hunted than they used to. That was my bad.
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But the thing is, is you would be faced with decisions where you had to risk
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your life to save your friend.
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You know what I mean? And so each person in the community had to be somebody
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you loved because you guys were going on like the battlefield together.
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And then even the women and children, they pass those kids around because it
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doesn't just take one person to keep a little harmless, like squishy baby safe in the wilderness.
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It takes a whole group of people.
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And they're out there foraging with their little kids and their little toddlers
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and they're watching out for each other you have to love everybody
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and no you don't need alcohol to do that but dang isn't it kind of bonding to
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just like have a beer with somebody you know what I mean
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that that's one thing and you know smoking does the same thing a cigarette with
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somebody or a bowl of weed and you guys are like buddies now you know you guys
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know each other a little bit deeper there's some sort of thing.
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It's like you guys quote on the same frequency.
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And so you can bond. But I also think that that can be problematic because if
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you go and you drink in the same places and you drink heavily,
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then you're absorbing that frequency.
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So when in these things, it's really important to think about how you feel when
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using or doing something and then how you feel long term about being with the
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people who are also doing exactly what you're doing.
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Yeah, I love everything about that. And it brings up some thoughts.
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I never even thought of that.
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What we're talking about is celebratory. If we went out there and we lived the
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whole day and we fought and survived together.
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But at the end of the week, hey, let's all sit back and have a beer,
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you know, or have a smoke or whatever.
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Celebratory. And I'll tell you something else. I've been in bars where everybody's
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drinking, and there were just days I don't feel like it.
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And I could sit there at a bar and drink a water or drink a soda, and I'm fine.
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So we can still celebrate. People danced, and even dancing in some religions is the devil's work.
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Because it brings your authority back to yourself, just for the record.
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I like that. And you're absolutely right, though. And this is why I bought all of this up.
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It all started, like I said, with, you know, the sex. Oh, my God.
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Make sure you're doing it, you know, monogamous and you're doing it this way.
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No, man. Listen, everybody's got a different way of doing it.
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And that brings, like you say, it brings power back to the people.
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I'm going to celebrate. I'm going to celebrate in the way that I feel.
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And if I choose to celebrate with others, that's fantastic.
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We're a community, and that's the way we need to look at things.
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Yes, those that need help, because yes, there is addiction, and I'm not going
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to ignore that fact, and there are people whom overindulge to the point where it's harmful,
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but that's an individual problem, and people need to get help with that,
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and I think we, too, as a society, need to recognize, because here's.
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I know you probably got a lot to say, but here's when it comes to,
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I know, just start writing it down so you don't wish it to be thought.
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I the one especially when it comes to alcohol and here's the problem I have
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with it if somebody does not drink,
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we cannot sit there and say hey come on man just one beer you know I don't believe
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in forcing somebody into it but you know that's what's happening in society,
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I noticed some of our local little gas stations around here,
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they got the ability to serve alcohol and you know and all one day i went into
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one of these places because i really wanted orange juice because i love my vitamin
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c and it's a very good drink for me,
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no damn orange juice but damn i could get alcohol up the ass in these places,
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and i found that this is a problem because all we're doing,
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is pushing people into the wrong path now on top of the alcohol,
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gambling machines inside these stores.
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So you get the mixture of the gambling and the alcohol, and they're just sitting there pumping it.
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This is why I say, we're not doctors. We're not pushing people to do this.
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Moderation does help. Don't get yourself addicted. Take it away, Lizzie.
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So, the thing is, is this is how people get caught in shame spirals.
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You're not supposed to drink. So then, okay, but yeah, there's no orange juice.
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So, you know, you have a beer and, you know, you excuse it, whatever.
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But then you're sitting right there and you're like, well, I'm not supposed
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to gamble, but I'm already having a beer.
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It's the same idea with people who binge eat, you know what I mean?
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Or who drink too much and they think, well, I already had one.
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I might as well have two. I might as well have seven.
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The thing is, is none of these things are anything to be shamed.
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They're just different things that we're exploring or not exploring,
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and it's all about what you're doing.
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And yeah, if you're drinking to the point of not functioning in the world,
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that's not a great place to be.
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So I would classify myself as a past functional alcoholic because I held my
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job really well. I was on time.
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I did all the parenting things. I did everything I was supposed to do,
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but I did it drunk for a couple of years because life just changed.
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Kind of honestly sucked and I didn't really I was just trying to make it through, you know.
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And then that's kind of about that time period was when my spiritual awakening
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started and I started using a pendulum and connecting to things.
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And everybody around me kept telling me I'm not supposed to be drinking,
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even like while I'm like reading tarot cards.
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I love getting drunk and reading tarot cards. I had the best readings at that
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time because I wasn't stuck in my head about what all these things meant.
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And if I was going to offend them by what I said that was that something that
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always gets me in tarot because I can feel when I'm about to say something they're not ready for me to say
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and I just I'm just I guess still getting over that but when I'm drunk I'll
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just I'll just say it not even notice you're offended and keep going and then
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at the end you're like damn okay yeah you know what I mean and so I got really good at those things,
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wow like trash like I have no memory of it I do Marco Polo video journals of
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like energy sessions on myself and not remember them
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but like my life would be different and I'd like go back and look and I'm like
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oh oh okay I see what you did there like.
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I'm not condoning this. I recommend doing it sober.
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When I then did get sober, I then almost had to relearn how to do these things
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because now my ego was all in my way.
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I'd been bypassing my ego through alcohol because I'm drunk.
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I'm just like free, whatever, you know, and it's just a funny little excuse, I guess.
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I gave myself to be free, but when I started giving that to myself,
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myself everything started coming back and then does actually work a lot better
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when you're not drunk but
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you know again it worked for me and if that's where you're at like don't think
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you have to wait until you get sober
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to start your spiritual journey if you're drinking every day or whatever it
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is that you're doing you don't have to quote get pure or get on track before you connect to yourself
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just connect now wherever you are is just like exactly where you were supposed
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to be when you connect to yourself
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and if you're supposed to stop drinking that will feel good at some point and
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if you're supposed to you know relax your
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moral boundaries on another thing like that will feel good to you and so that's the whole point is.
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It's just whatever is gonna make you feel like moving forward and make you feel freer.
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That's what we're moving out of, is what makes us feel small and trapped and controlled.
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Whatever it is, movement, sex, art, like getting drunk, dancing,
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whatever it is, if it makes you feel good and free and closer to your body,
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that's probably what you should be doing.
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You said so much, and I think it pretty much rounds up everything that's been
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on my mind, and I wanted to talk freely about it because, like I said.
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We're individuals. And here's the thing. I'm a Libra, so I believe in balance.
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Everything in life can be balanced. So, yes, rather than going on to the addiction
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side, take in moderation, enjoy, celebrate.
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This is your life. You know what you're connected to. I don't know what you're
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connected to. Only you do as the individual.
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So be proud of anything, whether it be your sexual preferences,
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whether it be you're celebrating with alcohol or celebrating with tobacco,
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marijuana, whatever the case, enjoy it.
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If it's a celebratory thing and you feel good, that's fine.
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I've learned with meditation, I could get myself into states that alcohol would never bring me into.
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So I could use meditation. But you know what? If I decide, hey,
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maybe I'm going to take a shot of my favorite Jack and Coke before I go into
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a meditative state and it helps me, I should not be judged.
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And I dare you to try and judge somebody else. This is not what it's about.
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Everybody has their own choices in life. And those that need help from it,
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they can get help from it, and we should be helping them with it rather than
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trying to support it or fuel it.
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And again, this entire episode was designed because,
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again, if you feel kind of left out because of some of your choices or the things
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you do, because other religions or even other spiritual gatekeepers told you
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you're not accepted, you're not accepted.
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You are accepted here. And you know what?
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Let's celebrate as a community, you know? I would love to get everybody into
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eye-opener society, have a place where we can sing, dance, drink,
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God help me for saying this, orgy, and everything else.
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All at once. Let's just celebrate the human spirit.
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Let us be free again, rather than being so stomped down and oppressed because
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religion or something tells you something, it's coming from people that don't know.
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And I got news for you. Those that tell you not to do something the most,
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usually the ones that have the most skeletons in their closets.
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And when that door opens, you'll be shocked as to what's going on behind those closed doors.
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So that's why I wanted to bring to the table. And Lizzie, I appreciate you bringing
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your thoughts. If you don't have anything else, do you?
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You're all set I want to thank everybody again for tuning in This season is
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going to be a lot of fun We're going to try and dig up some guests And again,
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I like real people on this show I don't like getting famous people I don't like,
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you know, book writers And all this other stuff,
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I want real people, real human experiences And that's what we got coming up,
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We have some What I'm hoping for.
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I'll call her out since she's right here Lizzie's going to probably Hopefully
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get some Solo stuff on here You
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know Once she could record herself And we could put it up On our platform,
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But I'm looking forward To also getting some Solo episodes As well as some Mixed
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match With all the ministers,
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I'm going to be looking forward To trying to get that together For this season
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too as well So again Thank you so much For tuning in And joining us We hope
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to see you real soon Don't forget our Wednesday night Guided meditation class Every,
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Monday is our show So just stand by for some more cool shit.