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Episode 539: Marisa Howard; First time Olympian in the Steeplechase headed to Paris! · I'll Have Another with Lindsey Hein Podcast

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  This is a sandy boy productions podcast.
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  Hey, everybody. Welcome to all have another podcast
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  with Lindsay He.
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  I'm your host, Lindsay. Thank you so much
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  for
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  joining me today. I am really excited today
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  to share with you an episode with Marissa
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  Howard, who made her first Olympic team in
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  the Steep chase.
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  At the Olympic trials last week and wow,
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  what a race?
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  The race of her life really. She ran
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  a 15 second personal record, 09:07.
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  She totally skipped over.
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  The 9 1.
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  She went from 09:22
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  to 09:07.
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  Wow.
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  Marissa is a mom. She has a... 2
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  year old son, she was the only mother
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  in that field. We talk about her
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  life as a whole
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  as a mother, a home,
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  a
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  professional athlete,
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  a friend,
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  a believer, a coach. 1 thing I love
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  about Marisa story is
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  the holistic view
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  of her entire life that she takes with
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  her when she trains and when she races.
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  This isn't just about racing
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  And I think she has a really healthy
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  perspective. And for lack of a better term
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  balance, 1 might say, I know that you
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  can't always have complete balance in your life,
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  but she seems to really look at her
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  running.
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  With a healthy perspective in a healthy lens.
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  Marissa
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  talks openly about her faith. We heard her
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  talk about her faith and a lot of
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  her post race interviews
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  on the track. And so I
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  was curious about that. So of course, asked
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  her some questions
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  that related to her faith and what that
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  means to her. Marissa is someone I am
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  so excited to cheer for and I'm so
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  honored to be able to tell her story
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  Alright, friends. Please enjoy my conversation with Marissa
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  Howard.
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  Alright, friends.
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  Excited for our... This our first post Olympic
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  trials
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  podcast interview, and we have
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  Marissa Howard on the show. Welcome to the
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  show, Marissa. Thank you. Thank you for having
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  me. I haven't done a ton of podcast,
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  so I think I'll be on a few
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  more, leading up into the trials, but excited
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  to be here.
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  I'm so excited to have you on. It
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  is
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  really an honor when I saw your race.
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  I was like,
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  I have to have this woman on my
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  podcast. There were so many exciting feelings, and
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  I'm just pumped to have you here. How
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  are you feeling? We are
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  Gosh. 5 days. You, like, 4 days out.
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  It's it's not been long. Yeah
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  Yeah.
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  We are feeling good. We got,
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  a little illness right after Eugene, which is
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  pretty typical coming off of big performance and
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  getting, you know, not a lot of sleep,
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  but a Finally,
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  coming out of the fog and, starting to
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  get back into training, and
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  yeah, I don't think it's really hit me.
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  I don't think it'll hit me until we
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  kinda travel over to Paris, but
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  very, very surreal. Yeah.
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  Let's talk about that video of your family.
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  That is the... I don't know who took
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  it, but that is the best video. When
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  you made the team and everybody's like screaming
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  and jumping up and down is that your
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  sister holding your son? Yeah. I can't remember
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  if it was my sister or
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  it might have been my sister while holding
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  her baby. I think my husband had my
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  son.
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  But, yeah, I... Every time I watch it,
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  I get teary eyed like, I
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  you know, you
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  you know how much they've invested as well.
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  Right? You know, I, obviously, I've invested a
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  lot, but I know they've...
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  You know, invested so much as well. And,
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  so just to see
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  their emotion for me was just, yeah, just
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  insane. And I love that somebody got to
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  capture it. Like, I think my cousin... I
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  think when of my cousins was recording, but,
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  yeah, I get very emotional when I watched
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  them.
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  Right Like, thank god somebody recorded that. Like,
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  that's gonna be something you'll never forget. You
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  always told someone's in the corner like, oh,
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  let me capture this memory.
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  I know. I know.
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  I think... The outside. I don't know what
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  the name of... I think outside running or
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  something was sitting right by them and so
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  they were like, send us that video, and
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  that's how it got. Kinda went viral. So
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  Really cool. They were aaron and... Yeah. I
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  told my mom I'm like, mom, you're going
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  viral and she was like, oh, my gosh.
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  Yeah So but looks so good. It seems
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  like you're really close with your family.
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  Yeah.
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  My mom is 1 my best friends. I
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  I chat with her every day.
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  She... My dad and her moved, right after
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  my son was born to be closer to
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  us,
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  just because they knew I was, you know,
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  pursuing this Olympic dream and
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  and so they they moved out here to
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  help with my son. And
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  yeah. It's been really, really sweet to have
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  them in town, and then I have a
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  brother and a sister, and
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  Yeah. They're all coming over to Paris with
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  us, which would be so exciting. So you...
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  So you're in boise. And so you said
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  your parents moved to you. Your in laws
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  are also there?
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  Yeah. So my in laws moved out when
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  we were still dating, actually, right after we
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  started dating,
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  my mother lost her job in Spokane where
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  my husband's from.
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  And
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  so they decided to look for jobs in
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  Spokane Boise, and she got a job here
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  and so they've been here,
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  almost as long as I have about 14
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  years, and then my parents moved out here
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  2 years ago. So we have tons of
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  help with my son, which is so nice.
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  It's amazing. And so you are in... Boise
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  because that's where you went to school.
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  Yeah. Yeah. And you just never left. Yeah.
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  Went to school here. I mean, boys is
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  an amazing place. It's kind of the best
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  kept secret that's starting to get out. Now.
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  We've had a lot of, people that have
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  moved here in the last.
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  Probably honestly since Covid in the last... Yeah.
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  4 or 5 years.
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  But, yeah, I came to, call here in
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  20 10.
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  And then
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  we never really planned on leaving honestly, after
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  our in laws, you know, I got married
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  in college and once our in laws were
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  here, and then my best friend moved out
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  right after,
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  we graduated college. Like, all my people started
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  coming out here. And so
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  yeah, that we we decided to stay, and
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  and then my coach, my coach actually just
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  got the Boise State job. So
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  now we're kind of here for good, now
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  that he's in town as well, which is
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  very nice. Yeah. You're locked in.
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  Yes. Yeah. I heard you say,
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  in 1 of your posters interviews that, you
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  know, 1 of the things with sponsorship was
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  that...
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  You're not willing to move. Like, you want
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  to stay in boise.
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  And
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  I love that you had this support from
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  T smith. I also know that those tracks
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  sponsorships are, like, mostly apparel and not like,
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  these big huge
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  sponsorships, but what did that mean to you
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  to have their support? Yeah. They've been awesome,
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  and they actually started supporting me when I
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  was pregnant, which is really cool. They started...
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  Kinda working with my club, Idaho a foot
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  at that point, and they were, like, very
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  excited to, like, Marissa, we can't wait until
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  you're back out there and you know, they...
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  Yeah. They've been really, really supportive And,
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  Nick Willis is, like, the athlete,
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  kinda athlete coordinator, and, you know, he wants
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  us to get a big deal. Right? He
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  wants us to, you know, move on to
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  a bigger company,
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  and he loves that they can be a
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  stepping stone for that. And so
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  obviously, after I made the team, he was,
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  you know, very excited, and, you know, he's,
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  like, I'm hopeful that now, you can... Yeah.
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  Move on from us and and and they're,
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  yeah, happy that they gotta be a part
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  of the journey. Oh, that is so cool.
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  I love that. I love that they want...
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  They want you to be sent off. Yep.
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  They want us to spread our wings and
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  fly. Yeah.
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  And I think that you... You know, they...
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  Yeah. They did an amazing job at the
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  trials. You know, they bring in chiropractors and
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  they provide lunch every day. They provide housing.
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  But that... I mean, that's everything you need.
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  You know, and they provide a little bit
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  a little bit of money.
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  But, yeah, That's that's everything you need at
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  the at that meat,
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  unfortunately, other meats throughout the year. They're not
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  able to help with as much, but I
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  had everything I need at the trials to
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  be successful, which which is awesome.
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  Okay. Let's talk about that 15 second P
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  r, which I know that is a question
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  you're probably getting a lot that is... It
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  wild and crazy. And when I think about
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  these times,
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  well, I was thinking about,
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  after the 1500 meter race on Sunday, which
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  I'm sure you I don't know if you
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  watched because you were sick. Did you get
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  to watch that? You watched the replay. Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay. Great.
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  I was thinking about some of these women
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  who were saying like, well, if you would
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  have told me like this was the time
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  we had to run or like, this was
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  the time I would have to run and
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  I still wouldn't make the team. Like, I
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  would be all up in my head.
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  So, like, did you... When you enter this
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  race knowing what it might take to make
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  the team in the steep? Like, did you
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  even think about time? Or did you just
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  think... I'm just gonna run my best race.
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  Yeah. I think, you know, my my coach...
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  He did such a good job of managing
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  this week, and he said,
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  don't come into this race with any pre
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  about what the time is gonna be who's
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  gonna make the team or anything like that.
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  And I think that left it open to,
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  you know,
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  allow anything to happen.
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  We knew, you know, he did tell me,
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  like, this spring. Like, I'm gonna have you
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  ready to run 09:10 and close hard. You
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  know, that was kinda like, this the fitness
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  that we knew we needed to be in.
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  But I think I
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  always
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  race well when I don't know the time.
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  All of my, like, big P and my
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  big races
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  where I've, like, done really well is generally
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  when I'm just like, really locked in and
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  focused and, like, just racing and not focused
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  on the clock at all. I kinda don't
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  do great in, like, scenarios where, like, a
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  coach is reading out of split and, like,
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  focused oh, you're off. You know, like, you
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  guys are slowing and blah blah. So I...
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  Yeah. I had no idea how fast we
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  were running
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  until we crossed the finish line. I mean,
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  I had no clue that we were, like,
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  cruise.
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  Yeah. I was just so locked in, And
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  they're... The cool part of that video of
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  my families, You can... See my husband grabbing
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  some shirt. And he was like, look at
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  the clock. Look at he was freaking out
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  and
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  so that was really fun to watch it
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  and yeah. Had no idea. Do that we
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  were running that fast.
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  Wow.
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  What does your husband? Like, what does what
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  is his involvement in the sport? Like, did
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  he run in college? How did... How is...
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  How much does he know about sport? Yes.
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  So he ran in college. He was A5K
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  10 k runner, and then we coach cross
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  country high school track? Cross Country together here
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  in town. So he's town coach. Yeah. Yeah.
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  So we coach a local high school.
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  So he's very involved in the sport. He
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  probably knows too much But he does a
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  really good job of taking on the husband
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  role and not the coaching. Sometimes I'm, like,
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  asking him for feedback and stuff, and he's,
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  like, Marissa I'm your husband. Like, your coach
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  is doing a amazing job, and and I'm
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  hard on myself as, you know, as an
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  athlete and as a coach and so He
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  does a really good job of Y and
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  that husband role, which is really, really sweet.
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  The s felt really wide open. You know?
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  Obviously, we knew that Courtney and Emma weren't...
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  Running the race.
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  You hate to see people injured, But did
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  you feel like going into it? Like, this
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  race is wide open, and I have a
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  really great shot here.
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  Yeah. I... The interesting thing is after... Yeah.
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  After...
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  Courtney, you know, obviously pulled out. I mean,
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  just at Bummer. Right? And I know that's
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  all part of Right.
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  The sport,
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  But, yeah, We really thought, you know, 8
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  to 10 women had a a real shot,
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  you know, 8 women had the Olympic standard.
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  I think 2 or 3 more got it
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  during the final. So I think we probably
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  have... I don't know. Was that 11? I'm
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  probably... I I don't know if I'm miss
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  10 about 11 women with the Olympic standard
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  in 1 year is... Wow. Insane. And so
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  Yeah. I think
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  we really felt like it was really wide
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  open, and that's where my coach said, like,
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  don't have any pre.
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  Like, who's the best runner who's gonna make
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  this team or whatever, and I think that
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  allowed... Yeah, to... The... That allowed,
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  me to just come in with, like, yeah.
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  No
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  no pressure, no pre ideas and just race
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  and see yeah. Who could come out on
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  top.
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  What were you thinking when Annie wrote phelps
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  like, took it out so hard? Yeah. I
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  I know she mentioned this in her interview
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  that she, like, really struggles with the hurdles.
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  And so,
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  I think,
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  I guess I didn't know how fast she
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  was going, but I I felt like, eventually
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  we would likely reel her in slowly.
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  I think, I know Courtney Wee said that
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  she felt like that pace was just a
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  little bit too aggressive. And so,
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  I know Courtney has been in a lot
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  of high level races. Between diamond leagues and
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  worlds, and so I kinda trusted that she,
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  you know, would do a good job of
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  kinda reeling her back in. And so I
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  think in my head, I knew we'd eventually
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  you know, hopefully reel her back in, but
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  it would have been phenomenal. Had she, you
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  know, kinda wired job that.
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  So, yeah, I I come commend her for,
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  yeah, taking a shot at it.
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  Yeah. That that, like, little stu step that
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  she. And I think she probably just, like,
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  didn't wanna cause a crash. I don't know
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  how to say it crash.
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  That 1. I know I know she 2
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  foot lamps the water jump. And so I
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  think... Yeah. I think I was just being
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  aware of that and and making sure that
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  I had a good line and and maybe
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  it wasn't landing behind her. But she lands
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  so quick and, like,
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  I mean, she has it down. I know
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  a lot of women don't do the 2
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  foot landing, but When I was watching the
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  race back, I'm like, man, she gets out
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  of there very fast for being a 2
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  foot lander. So...
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  Yeah. Yeah. She really has hasn't it figured
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  out.
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  At that last jump when Olivia legs, they
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  basically just, like, give out and she falls.
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  I wanna know, like, how did your legs
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  feel on those last 2 jumps, and you
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  know, then you have to you gotta get
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  over that last barrier and just go.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. My legs felt pretty shot going over
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  that last.
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  Hurdle. I didn't know if I I'd make
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  it over, and I was just praying, you
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  know, like, please Lord. Like, just give me
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  the finish line, and I actually didn't know
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  she went down,
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  until after the race. Mh until... I didn't
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  even know until after the
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  watching it back. Like, I didn't realize it
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  until, you know, watching the race back
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  hours later she had gone down. Really. I
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  think I was just so focused. Yeah. I
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  mean, I was just eyes ahead, like, did
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  not wanna get caught. And so
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  I had no idea what it was kinda
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  going on behind me. I just did not
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  wanna get nip at the. So I was
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  just trying my hardest to Mh to get
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  to the finish line.
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  Okay. And what did that feel like?
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  Just shocked that I
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  you know, I...
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  Obviously, my faith is a big
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  part of my career and just, yeah, Just
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  very thankful that that's what the lord had
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  for me that night and
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  you know, I said in my post race
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  interview. Like, I think it's easy to, you
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  know, thank the Lord, you know, in victory,
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  but, you know, I wanna be an athlete
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  that also thinks him in diff... Fee as
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  well. You know, I think anytime you get
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  an opportunity to line up out of a
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  Us championship is is, you know, a moment
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  to be thankful for. Like, fee there's women
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  that would have killed to be out there
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  this year. Right? You know, between Cobra and
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  Fe alone. But Mh. Just... Yeah. And
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  my husband always says this, like, Marissa, you
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  get to do this for a living? Like,
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  what an honor that is? You know, like,
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  how cool that is. So I'm, yeah. I'm
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  just very thankful that I even...
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  Did I get to do this for a
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  living? Like, how how cool of a job
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  is that, you know,
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  Hey, everybody. I wanna give a quick shout
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  conversation with Marissa
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  Well, and so last year, it was val,
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  val
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  sheet was not sponsored.
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  When she made the team. And so and
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  now we know she has a sponsorship deal.
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  And so now you are the 1
• 17:54
  without the sponsorship deal. I mean, we know
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  you've... You're working with T smith. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So, hopefully, do you feel hopeful that
• 18:00
  now that you've made an Olympic team that
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  that'll come to fruition? Yeah. My agents already
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  has,
• 18:08
  3 companies that we're kinda chatting with this
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  week. So
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  nice. Hopeful that we've can sign something in
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  the next few weeks, leading up into the
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  Olympics and you get some... Get some support
• 18:17
  hopefully through the next few years.
• 18:20
  Yeah. Because, I mean, it's really...
• 18:22
  You guys are living on your husband's teacher
• 18:25
  salary. Like, you... And you are all in
• 18:26
  on this
• 18:28
  running dream. I mean, that's
• 18:30
  That's a lot. That's a lot of sacrifice
• 18:32
  on both of your ends and
• 18:34
  as we all know,
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  living on a teacher's salary,
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  can be hard. So this is important and
• 18:40
  exciting for you. Yeah. Thankfully the Lord always
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  provides, you know, we're never... You know, we
• 18:44
  never gone into debt, you know, for for
• 18:46
  this dream and
• 18:48
  there's been opportunities where, you know, I pace
• 18:50
  a race and I make some money or,
• 18:53
  I... Win some surprised... I mean, last I
• 18:55
  won the Y Road mile that my alone
• 18:57
  is 5000 dollars. You know? So usually, I
• 19:00
  am generally able to come out on top.
• 19:02
  I will say when we are doing our
• 19:03
  taxes this last year,
• 19:05
  I think, like, I write everything off right
• 19:07
  because I'm paying for it. And I think
• 19:09
  we wrote off
• 19:10
  17000 dollars in expenses, and I only technically
• 19:13
  made 10000.
• 19:15
  And so I'm like, oh, my gosh. He's
• 19:16
  spent a lot of money on this, but
• 19:18
  it was worth it. I mean, look now
• 19:20
  we made a day. So...
• 19:22
  Definitely worth it.
• 19:24
  Totally,
• 19:25
  totally totally. Yeah. You do talk about your
• 19:27
  faith a lot, which I admire. And when
• 19:30
  I think about
• 19:31
  other athletes who talk about their faith. I
• 19:33
  think Sarah Hall,
• 19:35
  Sim Sydney Mc.
• 19:38
  I'm trying to think of others. And so
• 19:41
  And that's oh, like, it was Sarah, It's
• 19:42
  like, been, you know, she always
• 19:44
  Comes back to that. And so I'm curious
• 19:48
  why that's important to you and how you've
• 19:50
  decided to use your voice, as... Especially as,
• 19:53
  like, now you're
• 19:55
  you're
• 19:57
  as an athlete you're being elevated. Like, people
• 19:59
  are hearing your story and it's clear to
• 20:01
  me that you find it important to talk
• 20:03
  about. Yeah.
• 20:05
  Yeah. Something I remember a few years ago,
• 20:07
  they do these athlete chapel at Us championships.
• 20:10
  And I remember sitting next to, you know,
• 20:12
  Olympic Medal and them saying,
• 20:15
  they won that metal, and it didn't feel.
• 20:17
  They didn't fill that hole inside of them.
• 20:19
  Right? And, you know, they...
• 20:23
  Yeah. There's
• 20:24
  I think as as a human, like, there's
• 20:27
  this
• 20:28
  piece missing. Right? And, I know not everybody
• 20:31
  has faith.
• 20:32
  But
• 20:33
  I just... There's just so much more to
• 20:36
  this this life than
• 20:39
  than metals and then running, and I think
• 20:41
  you have to be grounded And something outside
• 20:43
  of it. Thankfully, I have... I have my
• 20:45
  faith for that, but I think if you're
• 20:46
  not, when all those things come crumbling down
• 20:48
  or you get injured or you don't make
• 20:50
  the team,
• 20:51
  things like that.
• 20:52
  If you're not grounded in something outside of
• 20:54
  it, Like, your identity is taken. And so
• 20:56
  I think making sure that my identity is
• 20:58
  rooted in Christ and not rooted in
• 21:01
  know, what I've done or and in in
• 21:02
  any of my accomplishments is is kind of...
• 21:05
  Yeah. Why why my faith is so so
• 21:07
  important to me? Also in this, like, victory,
• 21:10
  like, not letting everything
• 21:13
  rest in that. Like, oh, I did it.
• 21:15
  Here it is. Yeah.
• 21:17
  Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I...
• 21:20
  Yeah. I remember, like,
• 21:22
  you know, I remember our car right after...
• 21:25
  Like, my husband that we drove, like, halfway
• 21:27
  home. And Kai is, like, screaming in the
• 21:29
  car just being a 2 year old. Right?
• 21:31
  And you get home really quick, like, realize
• 21:33
  like, he doesn't care. Mommy's in Olivia. Like,
• 21:36
  he's just tired, and, you know, so you
• 21:38
  get you get humbled and you realize... Yeah.
• 21:40
  Like, my identity is not in the vet
• 21:42
  that I'm Olympia. Like, it's in the fact
• 21:44
  that... Yeah. I'm a I'm a child of
• 21:46
  God, and and, yeah, I think that's a
• 21:48
  great place for me to be rooted.
• 21:50
  Like always, but especially now with this new
• 21:53
  platform, you know, I think
• 21:55
  be to get kinda carried away and and
• 21:57
  gets swept up in it, but just... I
• 21:59
  think it's... Yeah. I'm glad that I have
• 22:01
  my roots
• 22:02
  sunk down in that. And where does that
• 22:04
  come from? Did you grow up in the
• 22:06
  church? Yeah. I would say, we grew up,
• 22:09
  I'm going to church for the most part.
• 22:11
  But I'd say, you know, at 1 point
• 22:12
  you have to make it your own. Right?
• 22:14
  You know, your parents, you know, are are
• 22:16
  bringing you to church, but I I
• 22:20
  would say, It really became, you know, my
• 22:22
  own faith when I was a teenager, like,
• 22:25
  13, 14 years old.
• 22:27
  I had some really great friends that would
• 22:29
  bring me to youth group and church camp
• 22:30
  and some of those friends are still some
• 22:33
  of my best friends. This day, and, you
• 22:34
  know, they... They're still praying for me and
• 22:37
  and pouring into me and and now as,
• 22:39
  you know, as a as a wife and
• 22:41
  as a mom
• 22:43
  I just have... Yeah. Such a great community,
• 22:45
  pouring into me, and I can't even imagine
• 22:47
  how many people are praying. I mean, and
• 22:49
  not that... You know, you prayed ultimately for
• 22:51
  the lord's will and not to win the
• 22:52
  race, but just, like, for whatever he has,
• 22:54
  for that day, you know, and obviously,
• 22:57
  it was to make the team, and I'm
• 22:58
  very thankful for that. But
• 23:00
  yeah. I just wanna be within his will
• 23:02
  and, yeah, that's what's important.
• 23:04
  And so your son is 2.
• 23:07
  Were you the only mom in the S
• 23:09
  Chase field? Yes. I was the only mom.
• 23:13
  What does that, like, what does competing feel
• 23:16
  like
• 23:17
  now? I mean, so in 20 21, fifth
• 23:20
  place at the olympic trials,
• 23:22
  since then, a year later, you had a
• 23:23
  baby.
• 23:24
  What does that look like now? Like, how
• 23:26
  does
• 23:27
  just competing feel differently to you?
• 23:29
  Honestly, no. Like, when I got back out
• 23:31
  there in 20 23,
• 23:33
  and I was fifth in 23 as well.
• 23:36
  I
• 23:37
  I was surprised at how that, like,
• 23:40
  it all just came back. Right? I thought,
• 23:42
  like, oh, it might take some time to
• 23:43
  like, kinda get that that drive and that
• 23:46
  motivation back, but it came back, and I
• 23:48
  was like, wow. Like, we're still here. We're
• 23:50
  still doing it. Like, we're not any different.
• 23:52
  I felt like, but,
• 23:54
  Yeah. It's really sweet that he gets to
• 23:56
  see Mommy doing this and mommy, you know,
• 23:58
  chasing her dreams. And my husband said, you
• 24:01
  know, something you need to think about when
• 24:02
  you're in that final is, like,
• 24:04
  all these women, like, they just get to
• 24:06
  be pro runners. Right? You know, they get
• 24:08
  to relax and be off their feet, and,
• 24:10
  like, you're chasing a toddler around, like, Yeah.
• 24:12
  Constantly, you know, he has needs that need
• 24:14
  to be wet. And so he just... Yeah.
• 24:16
  My husband was just, like, just try to
• 24:18
  remember that, like, that... Yeah. You're you're doing
• 24:20
  this for more than just yourself. Like, you
• 24:22
  have this little boy that, like, thinks the
• 24:23
  world of you. And and
• 24:26
  and, yeah. So I I try to remember
• 24:27
  that when I'm out there that...
• 24:30
  That... Yeah. Moms moms can do hard things.
• 24:32
  And I think there is such a thing
• 24:33
  as mom's strength and...
• 24:35
  So, yeah.
• 24:36
  Yeah. I heard you say you had a
• 24:38
  home birth, and I'm thinking yeah. That's the
• 24:39
  mom's strength right there.
• 24:41
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:42
  We
• 24:44
  think I said, in my interview we... I
• 24:45
  reacted like, really interesting thing... Interestingly to, like,
• 24:49
  pain meds and,
• 24:50
  alcohol. And so we just didn't really wanna
• 24:52
  give myself that option.
• 24:54
  And,
• 24:55
  we've had a very successful home, like, very
• 24:57
  healthy, and
• 24:59
  I don't think I'll do it any different
• 25:00
  for future children.
• 25:02
  Yeah. I was gonna say, I mean, this
• 25:04
  is interesting now, because you'll go to Paris,
• 25:07
  and then and your son is 2,
• 25:09
  and,
• 25:10
  you know, like, we've see women
• 25:12
  competing at very high level into their forties.
• 25:15
  So like, the family planning thing is challenging
• 25:18
  though because, obviously, that's like,
• 25:21
  you know, it's a good 18 months, really.
• 25:23
  Yeah Yeah. Off of your
• 25:25
  intense training.
• 25:27
  So. How do you go about? And and
• 25:29
  thankfully,
• 25:31
  Brands are not...
• 25:33
  Yeah.
• 25:35
  You know, like, what are these that deductions
• 25:37
  or whatever you wanna call it, brands are
• 25:38
  being really good about pregnancy in 20 24
• 25:41
  20 25.
• 25:43
  How do you think about that and plan
• 25:44
  that out as you're very much in those,
• 25:46
  like, like those years.
• 25:48
  Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I
• 25:51
  showed that I'm better after having a child
• 25:53
  child, and so
• 25:55
  I think hopefully, a brand will see that.
• 25:57
  Real, I think you hit the nail head.
• 25:59
  It's probably about 18 months really to where
• 26:02
  And that was short... I think that's a
• 26:04
  short window. You know, I felt... Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:06
  I felt like I was totally back, you
• 26:07
  know, within 18 months or within 9 months
• 26:09
  after having so 9 months of... Pregnancy and
• 26:11
  then few moments minutes after having it. But,
• 26:14
  I felt like
• 26:16
  that was a great reset year for my
• 26:18
  body. You know, I wasn't pounding the pavement,
• 26:20
  and doing this intense training. And so in
• 26:23
  my head, I feel like I'm getting those
• 26:24
  years back down the road. And so I
• 26:26
  think that I think that's where these women
• 26:28
  are showing that they're really good you know,
• 26:31
  into their late thirties early forties because I
• 26:33
  think Sarah is somebody who comes to mind.
• 26:35
  Right? She has had a baby you know,
• 26:37
  every 4 years,
• 26:39
  and, you know, it's still running phenomenally.
• 26:42
  And so I think
• 26:45
  I think it's a good break for your
• 26:46
  body. Obviously, it's hard on your body. You
• 26:47
  know, pregnancy is not easy on your body,
• 26:49
  but I think training wise, it is a
• 26:50
  nice little reset for your body. So hopefully,
• 26:53
  I get to reap the benefits, you know,
• 26:55
  for years to come. Yeah. I love that
• 26:57
  idea. I think that we should all embrace
• 26:58
  that a little bit more too because it
• 27:01
  does get hard. You know, like,
• 27:03
  to not be able to do
• 27:06
  what we love to do and for your
• 27:08
  body to
• 27:10
  go through all those... I mean, pregnancy is
• 27:11
  hard. It's like a lot of work.
• 27:14
  So Yeah. If we can, like, lean on
• 27:16
  that, I love that that you brought that
• 27:18
  up. It's like a reset. It's like a
• 27:20
  time for intentional rest.
• 27:22
  I've had a lot of friends who are
• 27:25
  stronger and, you know, friends locally. And even
• 27:27
  moms
• 27:28
  who are just stronger after having these babies,
• 27:31
  you know, and Yes, It is this time
• 27:33
  where, like, you don't feel and control of
• 27:34
  your body and all these changes are happening,
• 27:36
  but to be on the other side of
• 27:38
  it and be a better athlete afterwards, it's
• 27:40
  really sweet to to know that, yeah. We
• 27:43
  we are better afterwards.
• 27:45
  Yeah. Did you ever think when you
• 27:47
  became pregnant, like, to
• 27:49
  2 years after this, I'm gonna run 09:07.
• 27:54
  No. And
• 27:55
  1 of my teammates while? I was pregnant...
• 27:57
  She ran 09:07. She's a British S chaser,
• 28:00
  and I remember seeing her do that and
• 28:03
  thinking,
• 28:04
  I feel like I can do that. You
• 28:06
  know, I mean, we've we've ran very similar
• 28:08
  workouts and all this stuff. So I knew
• 28:09
  it was in there, but She's just had
• 28:11
  a lot more high level, you know, racist
• 28:13
  because she's been in diamond leagues and, you
• 28:15
  know, Europeans in commonwealth.
• 28:17
  And so I just don't think I was
• 28:19
  given or had those same opportunities, and so
• 28:22
  finally connecting it and putting it together on
• 28:24
  that day. And,
• 28:26
  yeah. I mean, I've dreamed of 09:07, but
• 28:28
  to finally be a 09:07 girl is like,
• 28:30
  whoa. We finally did it.
• 28:33
  It's so exciting. That S Chase has really
• 28:37
  To like, it's expanded. I feel like even
• 28:40
  from the 20 16,
• 28:42
  really... Okay. If we look back to the
• 28:44
  20 16 Olympics,
• 28:46
  I felt like there weren't... It... There wasn't
• 28:48
  this like depth in the field. It's like,
• 28:51
  it was like Emma Courtney Colleen.
• 28:53
  And there were some others in there. You
• 28:55
  were in there. I know you were injured
• 28:56
  in 20 16, but, like, Yeah. The depth
• 28:59
  of how strong.
• 29:01
  You all are, like, you were saying? Like,
• 29:03
  11 of you with the Olympic olympics standard?
• 29:06
  What?
• 29:07
  Anymore. Do you feel like it's exploding and
• 29:09
  are we seeing more... People do it younger?
• 29:12
  Yeah. I think it really is exploding. And
• 29:14
  I think we're also showing,
• 29:16
  like, with Corny W running a 14 48.
• 29:20
  Or 49 and indoors in the 5 k.
• 29:22
  Like I think we're showing that we're out
• 29:24
  just these specialists that, like, even Lexi, Lexi
• 29:27
  a few weeks ago, Lexi Holiday or Lowry.
• 29:29
  She ran 50 o 2. In A5KA few
• 29:32
  weeks ago, like, I think we're just showing,
• 29:33
  like, we're not just good steep that we
• 29:35
  can do well at these other events, as
• 29:37
  well.
• 29:38
  But,
• 29:39
  yes, the steep... I mean, I think I
• 29:42
  think that was looking at the world list
• 29:44
  after
• 29:45
  our race and Ali is twentieth in the
• 29:48
  world Ali strand twentieth in the world right
• 29:50
  now. So
• 29:51
  I mean, and she was. I don't know.
• 29:53
  Not. I don't can't remember what she was
• 29:54
  at the trials, but not show babies like
• 29:56
  that? 8. So we have 8 women in
• 29:58
  the top... 20, and that doesn't include Ferrets
• 30:01
  and Cobra. Like, that's... I mean, 10 wow...
• 30:03
  I mean, I essentially 10 of the top
• 30:05
  20. That's insane.
• 30:07
  So... Yeah. Yes. I think we're just elevating
• 30:09
  each other yet. Yeah. How will you,
• 30:13
  like, how will you prepare for this world
• 30:16
  stage with like, with your coach and everything,
• 30:18
  and
• 30:19
  also just mentally.
• 30:21
  Yeah.
• 30:23
  Yeah. He said, you know, he called me
• 30:25
  on...
• 30:26
  Thursday night after, you know, we were kind
• 30:28
  of just settling down at home as like,
• 30:29
  11:30 at night and trying to get ready
• 30:31
  for bed. I mean, I didn't sleep at
• 30:33
  all. But, you know, trying to how can
• 30:35
  you How could you?
• 30:36
  No. I think... I think has something an
• 30:37
  hour and a half. But
• 30:39
  he said,
• 30:41
  ky Marissa. I'm just gonna say this.
• 30:43
  Once right now, and then we're not gonna
• 30:45
  talk again, but we need to start thinking
• 30:47
  about making an Olympic final. You know, and
• 30:49
  he's like, I'm not gonna mention again, but,
• 30:51
  like, that has to be in your mind
• 30:53
  because my time is number 6 in the
• 30:55
  world right now. And I mean, I never
• 30:56
  even... You know, my goal is just to
• 30:58
  make the Olympics, but he said, Right. I'm
• 31:00
  not going to it's just to participate. And
• 31:02
  I agree. Like, you know, I think
• 31:04
  when you're sick, like, wow, a medal is
• 31:07
  not out of the question. I mean, I
• 31:09
  think Val is thrown in the world right
• 31:10
  now school.
• 31:12
  Really cool to see if, you know, 1
• 31:13
  of us can... Or all of us can
• 31:15
  try to, yeah, vie for a metal spot.
• 31:18
  Will you be
• 31:20
  like, communicating with the other girls leading up
• 31:23
  to it? And what does that look like?
• 31:25
  Yeah. I'm not sure when they're going over.
• 31:27
  We're going over the 20 eighth. So about
• 31:29
  a week before, I didn't chat with them
• 31:31
  to see when they're going over. I probably
• 31:33
  will message them just to see if 20
• 31:35
  we can link up over there for, you
• 31:36
  know, even if we're not doing the same
• 31:38
  workout, but some of our last few workouts
• 31:40
  together that last week, just being able to,
• 31:42
  you know, warm up and cool down together,
• 31:44
  but
• 31:45
  yeah. We'll be based in in boise.
• 31:48
  We actually have a ski mountain that's right
• 31:49
  outside of Boise
• 31:51
  that's 7000 feet, and it's 4 5 minute
• 31:54
  dry for us, and so we'll go stay
• 31:55
  up there and then just drop down to
• 31:57
  boys like my harder work and stuff. So
• 31:59
  we thought about going back to flags staff
• 32:00
  or bolder, but my We just have been
• 32:02
  gone so much that we just wanna to
• 32:03
  be home and kind of around our community
• 32:05
  for this last month leading up. Totally. Yeah.
• 32:08
  I think I saw on Instagram. You were
• 32:09
  looking for a place to rent up there.
• 32:11
  We found 1. Well, I mean, I've had
• 32:13
  3 people. I got 3
• 32:15
  option. Yep. Yep. So we're we're good to
• 32:16
  go. Yep. Oh you're good to go. Oh,
• 32:18
  my gosh. Yeah. Well, I was trying to
• 32:20
  rent 1, and it was 5000 dollars for
• 32:23
  3 weeks, like it was
• 32:25
  insane, and so I was hoping that if
• 32:27
  I put the word out there or, like,
• 32:28
  went on the news and said something that
• 32:30
  I found something. So, yeah, we we found
• 32:32
  1 thankfully.
• 32:33
  She's in Olympia, someone open up your.
• 32:38
  Yeah. Sorry. I think there's a little bit
• 32:39
  of a delay here. So I think that's
• 32:41
  why
• 32:42
  I will like, say something to than you're
• 32:43
  about to say something.
• 32:45
  Was I gonna say about that? Oh, do
• 32:47
  you have people though that you'll be able
• 32:49
  to train with? And, like, then, what does
• 32:51
  the training look like? Because it was like,
• 32:53
  you trained to kind of...
• 32:55
  Have the most excellent race ever at the
• 32:58
  trials, and now you gotta kinda, like, chill
• 32:59
  for a minute, but then ramp back up?
• 33:01
  Yeah. So I'm hoping my husband can do
• 33:03
  quite a bit of training with me. Usually,
• 33:06
  he's kinda on babysitting sitting duty in the
• 33:08
  summertime, but my mom and mother law, will
• 33:10
  be covering a lot of that so that
• 33:12
  he can do a lot of the training
• 33:13
  with me. Training And then 1 of my
• 33:15
  my coach coaches,
• 33:17
  a male marathon are here,
• 33:19
  and he's not quite ready to start his
• 33:21
  Olympic or his marathon bill for the fall
• 33:23
  yet. So he'll probably be hopping in workouts
• 33:26
  with me as well.
• 33:27
  But yeah, those are probably be, the few
• 33:30
  that Are able to... Yeah. Pop with me
• 33:32
  the over this next few weeks. Ida ida
• 33:34
  foot. Is that what the group is called?
• 33:36
  Idaho a foot. IAH foot. Okay. How big
• 33:40
  is that group? Tell me a little bit
• 33:41
  about the group? Yeah. So my coach was
• 33:44
  just solely coaching online. The since 20 21.
• 33:48
  I believe he launched his business. So he
• 33:50
  was the head coach at University of San
• 33:52
  Francisco,
• 33:53
  and then during Covid kinda stepped away and
• 33:55
  started this online coaching business.
• 33:57
  Idaho whole foot. And then,
• 34:00
  his dream job was the Boise State job,
• 34:02
  and that opened up this spring and so
• 34:04
  he applied for it and got it, which
• 34:06
  was very shocking,
• 34:08
  and we're very thankful. So then now
• 34:11
  He's down to about 10 athletes. He... He
• 34:13
  was a full time business. Right? I mean,
• 34:15
  he was coaching, you know, 50 athletes, probably
• 34:17
  5 to 7 at my level.
• 34:21
  That were, like, you know, trying to make
• 34:23
  either lump the olympic team or make the
• 34:24
  olympic of trial. So he's kept most of
• 34:26
  his elites, but unfortunately, he had to let
• 34:28
  a lot of people go just pick now
• 34:29
  he has a fun time job.
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• 35:16
  Yeah. I love that you're like, this is
• 35:19
  my life here. Go Like, this is where
• 35:21
  I live. This is my community. This is
• 35:23
  where my family lives
• 35:25
  because I feel like a lot of people
• 35:26
  feel pressure. I gotta move to boulder. I
• 35:28
  gotta move to flags. Staff, you know,
• 35:31
  and you've just proven that you actually don't
• 35:34
  have to do that. Yeah. And I've seen
• 35:36
  a lot of, you know,
• 35:37
  people get these contracts and they move, and
• 35:40
  then,
• 35:41
  you know, they get injured or, you know,
• 35:43
  they don't have their support system and
• 35:45
  I just knew that wasn't for me, you
• 35:47
  know, I just,
• 35:48
  we,
• 35:49
  you know, after we had been here for...
• 35:52
  You know, 5 years of college, and then
• 35:54
  even a 6 year because my husband was
• 35:56
  finishing his master's.
• 35:57
  And my in laws were here, like, we
• 35:59
  just didn't. Yeah. We just didn't want to
• 36:01
  move and just Wanna compromise
• 36:03
  any of that. And so,
• 36:05
  yeah, we've we've done it the hard way.
• 36:07
  And like we said, we rely on the
• 36:09
  Lord, and he's been very, very very, very
• 36:12
  very, very good to us and always provided
• 36:14
  and
• 36:15
  yeah, we've been very thankful and very blessed
• 36:18
  to live here.
• 36:19
  What is your, like... When you wake up
• 36:21
  in the morning? When like, do you like,
• 36:23
  pray before get out of bed? What does
• 36:25
  your morning routine look like? Yeah. I... It
• 36:28
  looks a little bit different now that you
• 36:29
  have a toddler. Generally, he's wake yeah. Yeah.
• 36:31
  But, you know.
• 36:33
  In our sweet sketchy a crystal or a
• 36:35
  big boy bed.
• 36:37
  He's in a crib, but we will likely
• 36:39
  be... Switching them to a bed somewhat soon.
• 36:42
  And probably after the summer,
• 36:43
  after After Paris, don't do it before Paris.
• 36:46
  No. Yeah. No. Not before Paris and I'm
• 36:48
  potty training as well, you know, down the
• 36:50
  road. But
• 36:51
  yeah. I try to do...
• 36:54
  I would say when I'm really like studying
• 36:56
  and and in the, it's probably during his
• 36:58
  nap time. Honestly,
• 37:00
  he usually takes a 2 to 3 hour
• 37:01
  nap. And so that's prop probably my best
• 37:03
  time
• 37:04
  to study. I do this bible study called
• 37:08
  bible study fellowship. I feel like I'm gonna
• 37:09
  get that wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's
• 37:10
  called Bible study fellowship. And it's actually this
• 37:13
  worldwide study. So everybody around the world is
• 37:15
  studying the same book that year. So they
• 37:17
  do a book of the bible every year.
• 37:19
  So last year, it was the book of
• 37:20
  John and this year It's the next year
• 37:21
  it'll would be the whole revelation of so
• 37:23
  year. Everybody around the world is studying the
• 37:25
  same book.
• 37:27
  Which is really cool. So I go on
• 37:28
  Wednesdays, and there's, like,
• 37:31
  there's, like, a lecture and then, like, a
• 37:32
  group study with these women. But the cool
• 37:34
  thing about it is since it's all around
• 37:36
  the world when I was in boulder,
• 37:38
  I got to join a group in boulder.
• 37:40
  And so I got to meet these women,
• 37:42
  you know, and they got to... Be, like,
• 37:44
  around me and praying for me when I
• 37:45
  was in boulder, and then when I was
• 37:46
  in Flags south, the the said it was
• 37:48
  over because it's done in May. But, yeah.
• 37:50
  That's been really cool too is, like, meeting
• 37:51
  the, you know, be able to join a
• 37:53
  community in another place where I normally wouldn't
• 37:56
  have community. So... But, yeah, Usually do... Yeah,
• 37:59
  my scripture reading,
• 38:01
  being and study during his nap time. And
• 38:03
  then I try to read to kai actually,
• 38:04
  like, during his breakfast. I'll do, like, a
• 38:06
  song or,
• 38:07
  a problem or something while he's re... While
• 38:09
  he's eating breakfast is fun. Okay. So Am
• 38:12
  trying to read... You might have an opinion
• 38:14
  about this.
• 38:16
  I'm trying to read the bible cover to
• 38:17
  cover. Is and
• 38:19
  I just got to
• 38:21
  first Samuel.
• 38:22
  Okay. This is hard.
• 38:25
  I think people are, like, you need some
• 38:27
  pallet cleansers, like you need to not just
• 38:30
  read it cover to cover. You need to,
• 38:31
  like, like, put in some solves in there
• 38:34
  and, like, But I'm kind of like, I
• 38:35
  don't know. I feel like is there something
• 38:38
  to? Like, there's a reason it's in this
• 38:40
  order. So, like, for some reason, in my
• 38:41
  brain, I just wanna do it all the
• 38:43
  way through, you know?
• 38:44
  Yeah. So I've seen a couple different
• 38:47
  ways to do it. We've definitely done it
• 38:49
  cover to cover I'm my husband and I,
• 38:50
  but also we've done it chronological,
• 38:53
  and so how the bible actually written chronological
• 38:56
  is not the order that it's actually in.
• 38:57
  So I think it's, like some of Genesis,
• 38:59
  and then it goes to job, and then
• 39:01
  it kinda jumps around.
• 39:03
  And then I've also seen these people that
• 39:05
  we stay within Eugene. They're amazing. So the
• 39:08
  guy that married us, his parents live in
• 39:10
  Eugene, and they lived there for 60 years.
• 39:12
  They're were, like, Wow 85, like, so awesome.
• 39:14
  So we always stay with them, and they
• 39:17
  they do... They read every day together, and
• 39:20
  they had this list of how they do
• 39:21
  it every day. And there's just, like, a
• 39:23
  little bit of old testament and a little
• 39:25
  bit of new testament every day. Mh. And
• 39:27
  I think that's a great way to do
• 39:28
  it because, like you said, like, you get
• 39:30
  some of that heavy stuff, you know, from
• 39:31
  the old testament, and then, you know, obviously,
• 39:34
  like, the new testament is, like, the redemption
• 39:36
  in Christ, you know,
• 39:37
  coming. And so I think maybe that... Maybe
• 39:40
  maybe that could be what you do is
• 39:43
  sprinkle that you g the... Yeah. Yeah. I
• 39:45
  think that... I do like, the idea of
• 39:47
  the chronological
• 39:48
  way though.
• 39:50
  Yeah. It's just, like, a lot of, like,
• 39:51
  lineage and, like...
• 39:54
  Like, a lot of it right now, I
• 39:56
  feel like the past
• 39:57
  few months has just been about, like, land.
• 39:59
  Like, taking over
• 40:01
  land,
• 40:02
  And I'm just like... And then and that's
• 40:04
  the study bible so then I'll, like, read
• 40:06
  the... Like, this is what you should be,
• 40:09
  you know, what... Why this is here and
• 40:11
  what you should be taking from it.
• 40:13
  But I've always wanted to, and I've never
• 40:15
  committed to it. And this is the furthest
• 40:18
  I've ever made it, like,
• 40:20
  trying to go, like, front to back. So
• 40:23
  yeah. I'm sticking to it.
• 40:25
  Yes. You could do. And even
• 40:27
  the the cool thing, even if you don't
• 40:28
  make it in a year, like, you... I
• 40:30
  don't think I would more than you... Yeah.
• 40:32
  Yeah. But like, keep going because, you know,
• 40:35
  it doesn't yeah. Like, I think it gives
• 40:36
  you a guidance, which is amazing. You know?
• 40:39
  Yeah. For sure.
• 40:41
  Well, III really...
• 40:43
  Appreciate that you bring up your faith and
• 40:46
  that you talk about it because
• 40:48
  I don't know. I mean, sometimes it feels
• 40:50
  a little bit intimidating. Like, sometimes
• 40:52
  I feel like people will
• 40:55
  judge me because,
• 40:57
  Christianity is judged so harshly in 20 24.
• 41:00
  And
• 41:02
  Yeah. I think it can be hard sometimes.
• 41:04
  Yeah. And sometimes I wondered, you know, Like,
• 41:07
  is that why I don't have a sponsor.
• 41:08
  Right? Like, I don't know what these companies
• 41:11
  you know, our thinking. But, like, ultimately, like,
• 41:13
  my faith is more important than than being
• 41:15
  sponsored,
• 41:16
  and that's what I come back to is,
• 41:18
  like, my faith is my foundation. You know,
• 41:20
  it's everything for us. And so I'd rather
• 41:23
  stand on that rock than stand on any
• 41:24
  other rock.
• 41:26
  Well, lastly here before we do into podcast
• 41:28
  questions for
• 41:29
  you know, when you do something like, really
• 41:32
  big in your life. You get married. You
• 41:33
  buy your house. You run a marathon, you
• 41:35
  make the Olympic team.
• 41:38
  You
• 41:39
  kind of, like can set yourself up for,
• 41:41
  like, I know when this is all over,
• 41:44
  like there might be a come down. Right?
• 41:46
  Like, even after, like last year I planned
• 41:48
  my fort birthday, like, I knew that once
• 41:50
  my family all went home and my friends
• 41:52
  left, I'd be like,
• 41:54
  No what? You know?
• 41:56
  So do you do you even process that
• 41:58
  at all? Or have you even thought about
• 42:00
  that? I know that's kind of a weird
• 42:01
  question because you... It hasn't even happened yet.
• 42:03
  But we've talked about how your faith is
• 42:06
  more important
• 42:07
  anyway.
• 42:08
  Tell me what you think about that, all
• 42:10
  that. But Yeah. I think something that I
• 42:12
  thought about leading into the trials and that
• 42:14
  I told some of my girlfriends was my
• 42:17
  life is so full and so beautiful outside
• 42:19
  of running.
• 42:20
  That it's not my everything, You know? And
• 42:23
  I
• 42:24
  I love being a mom and a home
• 42:26
  and taking care of my home and taking
• 42:28
  care of you know, kai and
• 42:31
  being a coach with my husband and,
• 42:34
  you know, helping my friends take care of
• 42:35
  their children and so
• 42:37
  my life is so full and so beautiful
• 42:39
  outside of running that I don't... Yes. There
• 42:40
  there will be an obvious let down. You
• 42:42
  know, like, the electric is over,
• 42:44
  but I think
• 42:46
  I have so much more beauty outside of
• 42:47
  running that
• 42:49
  I think, yeah. I'll also fill my days
• 42:51
  with those things in the fall, and And
• 42:53
  I miss some of those things, and so
• 42:54
  I'll be looking forward to settling back in
• 42:56
  as well. So you have, like, a community,
• 42:58
  like, your friends, like, you...
• 43:01
  Your kids all kinda hang out and play
• 43:03
  and you kinda take turns helping out with
• 43:04
  each other's kids?
• 43:06
  Yes. We... My best friend she lives. She...
• 43:08
  They bought a house like... I don't know.
• 43:10
  A 5 minute walk from us. I mean,
• 43:12
  literally, this is my best phase. When I
• 43:13
  was
• 43:14
  13 years old. Yeah. And my
• 43:17
  dream together.
• 43:19
  Yes. And so she,
• 43:22
  she has 2 children and I have 1,
• 43:23
  and so we'll just trade childcare care like,
• 43:25
  hey. Can you watch them for the first
• 43:27
  2 hours and then and then I'll wash
• 43:28
  them for 2 out? I mean, it's incredible.
• 43:30
  It's, like, literally what we dreamed of? And
• 43:32
  and then, yeah. I mean, all of our
• 43:33
  friends... Can pretty much. Most of her our
• 43:35
  friends have just had their first child. So
• 43:37
  it's really sweet that we've just, yeah, kind
• 43:39
  of in this phase together.
• 43:41
  We have so moved away from, like, communal
• 43:44
  child raising. And if you can, like, lean
• 43:47
  into a community who will roll up their
• 43:49
  sleeves and do it with you, there's nothing
• 43:52
  better.
• 43:53
  Yeah. Nothing bad it. I agree. And I
• 43:55
  I can't imagine. Yeah. I can't imagine not
• 43:56
  having the support that we have. Okay. I
• 43:59
  always wrap up with these end of podcast
• 44:00
  podcasts. Questions. I hope we covered everything. We...
• 44:04
  Yeah. Yeah. I think we're good.
• 44:06
  What is something professionally? This is a weird
• 44:08
  question to ask because you just made an
• 44:10
  olympic team.
• 44:11
  But you've also talked about how full your
• 44:12
  life is outside of it. So just in
• 44:14
  the grand scope of life. What is something
• 44:17
  professionally or personally?
• 44:18
  You'd like to do that you haven't done
• 44:20
  yet. Oh my gosh. That is a good
• 44:23
  question.
• 44:25
  I think something that I think. About, you
• 44:27
  know, obviously, you run 09:07 and you're, like,
• 44:29
  gosh, can I ever redo that again? I
• 44:30
  think my my next goal would be to
• 44:33
  be consistent at this normal. Right? To not
• 44:35
  just be... Because you know, do it once,
• 44:37
  but, like, to be consistently in, you know,
• 44:39
  the top 10 in the world and
• 44:43
  yeah, That'd probably be something that I just
• 44:45
  be consistent at this level. That's so good.
• 44:48
  15 second PRI just like, we have to
• 44:50
  reiterate that 15 seconds
• 44:53
  in 3000 meters like, that is a lot.
• 44:57
  Yeah. I know. It's wild. You're A90S.
• 45:02
  Yeah. And it's funny because I didn't have
• 45:05
  a great race at Portland Track Festival
• 45:08
  a few weeks before this race, and
• 45:11
  remember going to my coach afterwards where it's
• 45:12
  kinda frustrated, and I'm like, I'm just tired
• 45:14
  of being a 9 thirties girl, and he's
• 45:16
  like, person, you're not a 09:30 girl. Like
• 45:18
  you've run 09:22.
• 45:20
  But I I feel like I consistently run,
• 45:22
  you know, 09:31,
• 45:24
  09:34, 09:37,
• 45:26
  and
• 45:28
  And so, yeah. No
• 45:30
  That's just you skip the 9 ones. You
• 45:32
  skip the 9 1. We didn't...
• 45:34
  We didn't need it. Which is crazy because
• 45:36
  when I was in college, and I got
• 45:39
  second at the Nc championships,
• 45:41
  I went from 10:02
• 45:43
  to 09:42,
• 45:45
  like, in 1 race. Wow. And so I
• 45:47
  skipped the 09:50. So I we just did
• 45:49
  it again,
• 45:51
  Yeah. Yeah. Usually I don't need to mess
• 45:52
  around in there. But your code right too.
• 45:55
  And sometimes I feel like we think...
• 45:58
  Because we haven't ran a certain time in
• 46:00
  race. It doesn't mean
• 46:01
  that you're not that person, You just haven't
• 46:04
  executed it when it mattered yet. Yeah.
• 46:06
  Yes. Totally. I love that yet. You know,
• 46:09
  yeah. We use that in coaching. Like, we
• 46:11
  just haven't done it yet, and I think
• 46:12
  the app, that's a great place to be.
• 46:14
  Okay. What's the best most recent book you've
• 46:16
  read? Have you made time for that at
• 46:17
  all? Yeah. I've actually been trying to read.
• 46:20
  I'm a lot. I I got off social
• 46:22
  media, leading up into the trials, and then
• 46:24
  I'm always saw myself, I'd be on till
• 46:26
  Wednesday, and then I'm gonna be off for
• 46:28
  the most part do, you know, obligation for
• 46:30
  social my best friend. She's been my social
• 46:32
  media manager for the last week or so.
• 46:34
  So it's amazing. I just sent there's things
• 46:37
  and she'll post them, but
• 46:39
  alfred. Credit a few books lately. The 1
• 46:42
  that
• 46:43
  we're reading right now... Oh, that my has
• 46:45
  my book just read is
• 46:46
  Man Manifesto, I might be saying that wrong
• 46:49
  but it's actually about coaching. It's this
• 46:51
  he's this elite. He's a professional baseball player,
• 46:54
  and he
• 46:56
  started he got asked to coaching. Like, son's
• 46:58
  little league team, and he, like, wrote this
• 47:01
  whole letter to the parents ahead of time
• 47:02
  and just said,
• 47:04
  I need you all to, like, basically be
• 47:06
  silent. Like, we are the coaches, his and,
• 47:08
  like, I need you to trust me. Like,
• 47:10
  you know, I just think parents have kinda
• 47:13
  overtake. These arenas now. And so I'm about
• 47:16
  halfway through that bucket has been really good
• 47:17
  reading that as as, you know, a parent
• 47:19
  now and also as a coach. So that's
• 47:21
  been a good 1. I am telling you
• 47:23
  what.
• 47:24
  I don't know not not know what these
• 47:26
  parents are they. Just I was at, like,
• 47:28
  1 of my kids soccer games
• 47:30
  in the spring. And,
• 47:32
  1 of the parents not on our team
• 47:33
  and another team was like, hey.
• 47:35
  How about switching out the bench? Like, yelling
• 47:38
  at the coaches to switch out the and
• 47:39
  I'm like,
• 47:40
  is it... And I didn't know, like, who
• 47:41
  their kid was. Like, if their kid... If
• 47:43
  they wanted their kid to have a break
• 47:44
  or if they wanted their kid to have
• 47:45
  more playing in time, but I was like,
• 47:48
  oh, my gosh. I cannot believe what this
• 47:50
  coach must be thinking right now,
• 47:52
  Oh my gosh. I know. And these coaches
• 47:55
  are, like,
• 47:56
  volunteers most of the time. Unless you're Yeah.
• 47:59
  In, like,
• 48:00
  travel leagues and your pain for professional coaches,
• 48:02
  like most of these coaches are parent volunteers.
• 48:05
  Right. Yeah. I know.
• 48:07
  I know. I... Yeah. We'll see. I mean,
• 48:09
  we're we're far away from youth sports, which
• 48:11
  we're, you know, we do, but
• 48:14
  I know. Yeah.
• 48:16
  It's so fun though. I am telling you
• 48:18
  what,
• 48:19
  my favorite part of parenting is going to
• 48:21
  my kid sports games. It is is just
• 48:23
  like, We do a lot of soccer. We
• 48:25
  do swim meats, but, like, it is the
• 48:27
  most fun because they're working hard and it
• 48:30
  is so...
• 48:31
  Cool to see your kid, care about something
• 48:34
  enough that they wanna work hard and breathe
• 48:36
  hard do all those bags.
• 48:38
  But then
• 48:39
  they're also having so much fun, and it's
• 48:42
  like, there's just nothing better. It's so natural
• 48:44
  too, like,
• 48:46
  kids like to run and
• 48:48
  yeah. So you've got a lot of fun
• 48:51
  to look forward to.
• 48:52
  Yes.
• 48:53
  2 more questions. Do you have a nonprofit
• 48:55
  you like to support? Yes. I'm so glad
• 48:57
  you asked that. So Ru, it's spelled RUJA,
• 49:01
  and it means to dream in Uganda. So
• 49:04
  I actually...
• 49:05
  On a trip with them in 20 18,
• 49:07
  and my best friend's husband is the,
• 49:12
  c... Or he's the founder of the nonprofit.
• 49:14
  So they basically help Oh, cool. Rescue children.
• 49:17
  Yeah. Yeah. So they they help rescue children
• 49:19
  out of child labor in Uganda. Wow. And
• 49:22
  they recently
• 49:23
  in the last... I wanna say... I can't
• 49:25
  remember when they did maybe last year. They
• 49:27
  opened a medical clinic in a village. They
• 49:29
  are, about to build a church over there
• 49:32
  And, yeah. We love that organization. We support
• 49:34
  it monthly,
• 49:36
  and, yeah, We'd love to get the name
• 49:37
  out there more about what they're doing over
• 49:39
  there. Raja.
• 49:40
  Ru. Ru. Ru. RUJ. Yeah. Is that what
• 49:43
  you said? Yep.
• 49:45
  Cool. Thanks for sharing that. And we'll put
• 49:46
  that link in the show notes so that
• 49:48
  people can check it out if they want
• 49:49
  to.
• 49:50
  Our last question is what message would you
• 49:52
  like to leave with our audience today?
• 49:55
  Great question.
• 49:57
  Yeah. I, I think it comes back to
• 49:59
  faith of of not finding fulfillment in the
• 50:02
  things of this world and and finding
• 50:04
  where you can be rooted. You know, obviously,
• 50:06
  for me, that's Christ and for everybody I
• 50:09
  would hope that would would be Christ. But
• 50:12
  yeah. This this world is fleeting, and someday
• 50:14
  it's gonna pass away and I just hope
• 50:16
  that
• 50:17
  I can be a light and and
• 50:20
  yeah, bring,
• 50:21
  you know, show people on what it means
• 50:23
  to be a follower of Christ.
• 50:24
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• 50:26
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• 50:29
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• 50:31
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• 50:33
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• 50:35
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