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Stacking Sats & Chasing Sovereignty · To The Moon With The Luna's Podcast

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SPEAKER_03: Everyone wants everyone to win.
0:02
SPEAKER_03: Because in in the fiat world, we're fighting for our lives, really.
0:06
SPEAKER_03: It feels like you're like competing constantly, trying to climb the ladder.
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SPEAKER_03: So you're in a scarce mindset.
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SPEAKER_03: You're all those things.
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SPEAKER_03: And what I've noticed and learned is that Bitcoin has become a place of hope, a place of encouragement, and a positive place, you know, and it's just so opposite of what the fiat world is.
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SPEAKER_00: That is so interesting what you said.
0:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: So the fiat world has a scarce mindset, even though the bankster print fiat money out of thin air and they have infinite amounts of fiat.
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SPEAKER_00: Yet Bitcoin is only there's there will ever only be 21 million Bitcoins.
0:40
SPEAKER_00: Yet we're so generous and or the Bitcoin world is so uh hopeful and joyous and has a mind of abundance.
0:47
SPEAKER_00: You see how it's crazy how the opposites kind of contrast each other.
0:51
SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: That's an epiphany you just gave me.
0:54
SPEAKER_00: Holy moly.
1:01
SPEAKER_03: Welcome back, everyone, to To the Moon with the Lunas podcast.
1:05
SPEAKER_03: Today's Bitcoin price is 75,200.
1:08
SPEAKER_03: Today we have Gus with us.
1:11
SPEAKER_03: We're so excited.
1:12
SPEAKER_03: Gus found Bitcoin in 2021.
1:14
SPEAKER_03: He owns a family cleaning business with his wife and mother.
1:18
SPEAKER_03: He works three jobs, which is super impressive and uh believes in the separation of money and state and considers himself a Bitcoin maxi.
1:28
SPEAKER_03: Gus, we are so happy that you're here.
1:30
SPEAKER_03: Thanks for taking the time out to meet with us.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me, guys.
1:33
SPEAKER_00: I love what you're doing.
1:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh, this dynamic is awesome.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: Like uh both a male-female perspective as a couple, they're just beautiful.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: You don't see that nowadays, you know, young couple with a family, beautiful.
1:42
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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SPEAKER_03: That's super cool.
1:44
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
1:45
SPEAKER_03: Thank you for saying that.
1:46
SPEAKER_03: We appreciate it.
1:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she was always like, what are you doing?
1:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, what are you learning?
1:49
SPEAKER_01: What are you doing?
1:50
SPEAKER_01: What are you reading?
1:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, what are you like?
1:51
SPEAKER_01: Come on, let's make a podcast.
1:52
SPEAKER_01: It talks a cool people like us.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: Like, let's go.
1:55
SPEAKER_03: It's been awesome.
1:56
SPEAKER_03: It's been so good.
1:57
SPEAKER_03: It's been great.
1:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, guys, just kind of tell us a little bit about your background, a little bit, where you're from, and then kind of how your journey into Bitcoin started.
2:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I um I think it's some fortune too and luck involved because in 2021, my best friend from childhood came over with a couple of friends and we made a pact or a vow to buy, you know, uh stocks and bonds.
2:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, we were just normies back then.
2:24
SPEAKER_00: And so we downloaded Robin Hood.
2:26
SPEAKER_00: We wanted to retire early, and we started buying that then and there every week$100 of whatever I think the SP 500 we were buying at that time.
2:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
2:35
SPEAKER_00: But of course, a couple days when they left, a couple days later, I'm scrolling through Robinhood and I see this thing that went from like 20,000 to 60,000.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, whoa, what is this?
2:44
SPEAKER_00: Bitcoin.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: I've heard of this.
2:46
SPEAKER_00: And I told my mom, I told some friends, and of course, I am very curious, I have a very curious personality to my fault.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: I delve into Bitcoin.
2:55
SPEAKER_00: I I fell in love with it.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm completely, I can't stop thinking about it every day, all day.
2:59
SPEAKER_00: And uh it's been five years now almost, right?
3:02
SPEAKER_00: 2026, 2021.
3:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's been five years, and I've even uh for cleaning business, I've been buying Bitcoin for like a year now.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: So that's you know, I'm an EMT.
3:11
SPEAKER_00: I was full-time for nine years.
3:12
SPEAKER_00: I went part-time to be um to to be full-time in the cleaning business because my mom and my wife were needing of some help.
3:19
SPEAKER_00: So and they're a hundred percent on board with me buying Bitcoin for the company that's all our uh strategic reserve is Bitcoin.
3:25
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, I'm like an EMT alone is just a big job, right?
3:29
SPEAKER_03: Like I gosh, so you and when did you guys start your cleaning business?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, we started it, uh we did it on our on our own.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: Like my wife and I did it separately from my mom.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: Um when we were first when my wife and I first got married, they um my wife was working for her as a helper, and then I promised my wife, hey honey, let's get our own accounts and get you going.
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SPEAKER_00: And I used to knock from door to door, and you know, I we got her like three or four accounts, and then we blew up to 10, 15 accounts, and then you got too big, and then to the point that my mom was like, let's just join forces.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: And we joined 15 of my mom's accounts, 15 our account.
4:05
SPEAKER_00: We joined 30, and now we are scaling things.
4:08
SPEAKER_00: We have 14 employees, we're very blessed.
4:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's been it's been great, man.
4:11
SPEAKER_00: It's uh I gotta tell you, especially with mentorships, people think it's a like sometimes it's a scammy with mentorships, but it's great if you have a mentor that you pay, they'll teach you how to do stuff and grow your business.
4:23
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
4:24
SPEAKER_03: We we have always valued learning from people who have gone before and have maybe, you know, fruit we have they have fruit on the tree, right?
4:32
SPEAKER_03: Of being able to kind of share their experiences because who you surround yourself with is everything, right?
4:37
SPEAKER_03: It's it's so important.
4:39
SPEAKER_03: And just to get another eye perspective, you know, and just say, hey, bounce ideas off of because everyone's doing life for the first time too, right?
4:45
SPEAKER_03: So everyone's trying to figure out like, how do we start a business?
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SPEAKER_03: How do we, you know, invest?
4:51
SPEAKER_03: How do we do all these things?
4:52
SPEAKER_03: And gosh, that's that's really smart to you know get some perspective outside perspective from that.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: I also think like, you know, like whoever you're getting your results or your advice from, like, make sure they have the results that you want in your life too, right?
5:05
SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people just like, oh, like everyone's giving out advice these days, you know, you can just like hop on your phone and get whatever advice, like yeah, make sure whoever you're getting from actually has the results that you want in your life.
5:15
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
5:15
SPEAKER_01: So you can go ahead and duplicate and replicate, and then they can also like show you, hey, don't do this, don't do that, because they've already gone down that path.
5:22
SPEAKER_01: And so I think that's great.
5:24
SPEAKER_01: And then I know you mentioned too, guys, you have three jobs.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, so cleaning business already sounds like a lot, ENT already sounds like a lot.
5:31
SPEAKER_01: So, what's the other job you have?
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SPEAKER_00: So in the morning, I clean houses.
5:35
SPEAKER_00: I wake up at about seven, my wife feeds the baby, we leave the baby with my mom.
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SPEAKER_00: My wife goes out in the field to check in the girls' jobs and to get the other teams going.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm the deep clean specialist.
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SPEAKER_00: I have I'm a team leader, I go with the girls to clean, do a deep cleaning a week or so, or I'm sorry, deep clean a day or so, and um then at 2 30 p.m., I leave the team finishing up the deep clean.
5:55
SPEAKER_00: I go to Costco every single day, besides Wednesdays and Sundays when I'm at the ambulance service.
6:01
SPEAKER_00: And then I go to Costco, close a chicken room.
6:03
SPEAKER_00: If you guys have been, of course, you got you went to Costco yesterday, you said uh pray for me because we're going to Costco on a Saturday.
6:09
SPEAKER_00: Dude, it's so true.
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SPEAKER_00: It is insane over there, man, on Saturday.
6:13
SPEAKER_00: Guys, go on a Tuesday or a Wednesday, trust me, like in the morning, there's nobody there.
6:18
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so I'm there, and then I go on, like I said, Wednesday and Sundays on the ambulance service, and I'm happier.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: The ambulance service is like you were saying, it's it's very sad because you you you meet all these lovely patients that you have, senior citizens that you get so much wisdom from, and then one day they're not there anymore because they hey, where's Carol?
6:39
SPEAKER_00: She passed.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh man, like she was my buddy, you know.
6:42
SPEAKER_00: So I was tired of that, sick of it.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: Now I'm doing like one or two shifts a week.
6:46
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I go a week or two without doing any shifts.
6:48
SPEAKER_01: So Yeah.
6:50
SPEAKER_03: Man, that's a lot.
6:51
SPEAKER_03: That's a lot that's going on there.
6:53
SPEAKER_03: What made you want to do these three jobs?
6:55
SPEAKER_03: Was it because of Bitcoin?
6:56
SPEAKER_03: Was it because of, you know.
7:00
SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: I wanted to stack sats and I didn't have enough.
7:03
SPEAKER_00: You know, I've always had enough money for you know stacking Bitcoin, but not as much.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, with the three jobs, I could make my bills, which is like 210, 2200 every month.
7:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's cheaper where I live here in Connecticut.
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SPEAKER_00: And um I could stack sats, you know, up to like a thousand every month sometimes, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: And now with the business, sometimes we even a couple grand we stack every month.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: We're very fortunate, very grateful.
7:27
SPEAKER_01: Dude, that's amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: So you're just like hyper focused.
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SPEAKER_01: You're just like, dude, we gotta stack these sets.
7:32
SPEAKER_01: And I like I can't agree with you more because especially like I know you're loving this dip then, uh, to be able to even stack even more uh to your stack uh right now with this like almost like a 40%, 50% dip almost.
7:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, I wanted to ask you, so Gus, so like I know you mentioned like uh one of the topics I really want to get into today is like one getting to one Bitcoin, right?
7:52
SPEAKER_01: I know there's it's like this milestone that everyone talks about in the Bitcoin ethos.
7:57
SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to ask you, uh, before we get into that, like I know you mentioned you're a Bitcoin maxi.
8:02
SPEAKER_01: So what is considered like a Bitcoin maxi?
8:04
SPEAKER_01: Like what is that?
8:05
SPEAKER_01: Like, talk to talk to me on this.
8:07
SPEAKER_01: Like what would you consider someone with a Bitcoin maxi?
8:10
SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, a Bitcoin maxi.
8:12
SPEAKER_00: So I used to be um uh a crypto guy, and everybody has their journey, right?
8:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh it was as soon as you followed in Bitcoin, you're like, there's a uh uh whatchamacallit, uh, a bias that you can't really have a Bitcoin.
8:24
SPEAKER_00: It's a stupid bias.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: You could definitely buy Bitcoin, it's just harder to get there.
8:27
SPEAKER_00: But then you see like all these crypto tokens that I don't want to say their names, and then you you're like, oh, I can buy one of those, I can buy 10 of these, and so you start buying these things that you don't even know what is.
8:37
SPEAKER_00: So the Bitcoin had it's the only asset with immaculate conception, meaning Satoshi created away, gave it away, and walked away.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: Satoshi gave a gift to the world, no one knows who he is, just like fire and the wheel.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: We don't know who invented it, but we use it.
8:50
SPEAKER_00: We take, you know, humanity uses it every single day of our lives.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: And so Bitcoin maximalists believe in uh the Bitcoin only.
8:57
SPEAKER_00: It's and if you go back in time and you see the progression of things, Bitcoin is the best performing asset in the history of humanity.
9:04
SPEAKER_00: And it's not even closed.
9:05
SPEAKER_00: The second one being Ethereum, you know, Vitalik was working on uh Bitcoin when it first came out and he wanted to do his own thing.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: But the problem is that they make these ICO IPOs or initial coin offerings, an investment of money um in a common enterprise derived from the efforts of others uh with expectation of profits.
9:23
SPEAKER_00: That's a security they call the stock.
9:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, they can buy Coke stock or Johnson Johnson stock.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: Ethereum, the people that founded it, they keep dumping Ethereum on top of the poor investors' head.
9:33
SPEAKER_00: And this is what Bitcoiners are shouting from Mountaintop stop buying their crypto.
9:37
SPEAKER_00: Same thing with XRP.
9:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, uh what's his name?
9:40
SPEAKER_00: Brad Garlinghaus keeps just dumping tens of millions of dollars at a time of XRP, and people are just like, yes, yes, give me the XRP.
9:48
SPEAKER_00: And Satoshi never sold one SAT.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: No way, man.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
9:52
SPEAKER_00: Well, Satoshi has like 1.1 million Bitcoins, never touched it, never moved it, and he's never selling it.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure he lost his skis by this point.
10:01
SPEAKER_00: If he didn't pass away, rest in peace.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: You know, whoever is, wherever he is.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: So that's the idea of Bitcoin maximalism that only Bitcoin had the immaculate conception, and Bitcoin is the only way to separate money and state.
10:11
SPEAKER_00: Why?
10:12
SPEAKER_00: Because of its decentralization.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: There's the blockchain trilam, I'm sure you guys know.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, um, Bitcoin prioritizes decentralization, meaning that there are hundreds of thousands of distributed uh ledger nodes worldwide.
10:26
SPEAKER_00: So it's like a giant game of that whack a mole, it's impossible to stop Bitcoin.
10:30
SPEAKER_00: So this is why I'm a Bitcoin-only maximalist because my my main goal and purpose, I mean, you come from number uh you come for the number go up and you stay for the revolution and the separation of money and state.
10:41
SPEAKER_00: The main goal is to separate money and state to free humanity from the bankster cartels or president uh back in 1950s or 60s, I'm so sorry, or 40s.
10:51
SPEAKER_00: I apologize, guys.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember, but he said um the main problem is the military-industrial complex, right?
10:57
SPEAKER_00: And we can see it uh Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and there's like dozens of different companies that they're the ones putting the Congress people in power to make sure we stay in these eternal wars and these meat grinder of human beings while blaming people who don't actually have the culpability.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: And so Bitcoin is just yanking the money from the state peacefully and giving it back to the people, to the free market, because monetary tool is just a tool of the free market, it has always existed.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: It comes from our biological yearn to trade.
11:30
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, I know that's really good because also, too, is like people forget it's so easy.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: They turn on the TV and they're like, oh, vote for this guy, vote for that guy.
11:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, it doesn't even matter because the money's broken.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: Like the foundation is so broken.
11:43
SPEAKER_01: So whatever promises that they like promise you to get into like office, like once they get in, the real agenda, the real people, the uh military industrial complex, the financial industrial complex, the technology industrial complex, all these people are gonna be like, oh, hey, great job.
11:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, you're gonna have to do this now.
12:00
SPEAKER_01: Like, they don't understand, and people don't understand this because this is way above their head, right?
12:05
SPEAKER_01: But once you go down the rabbit hole, like you're sharing, like this is where like you get into the weeds, right?
12:09
SPEAKER_01: And when you get into the weeds, once you see it, you can't unsee it.
12:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: And so it's so good.
12:16
SPEAKER_03: Um I'm I'm curious on uh your like an a couple's perspective here.
12:21
SPEAKER_03: Is your wife as much of a Bitcoin maxi as you are?
12:25
SPEAKER_00: She is not, she is a Christ maxi.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: I married her because of her deep love for Christ, and I'm so glad that you guys go to church and I I bless you guys.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: That's the main purpose.
12:36
SPEAKER_00: She's the one who does the praying.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, I do a lot of the Bible reading.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: She's the one who goes to church four times a week.
12:42
SPEAKER_00: When I'm working, she takes the girls to church.
12:44
SPEAKER_00: Make sure that they're praying and being involved with the community.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:47
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
12:48
SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
12:49
SPEAKER_03: And so when you you obviously you explored this, you know, and you were deep diving into this.
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SPEAKER_03: Was she like, I just trust you?
12:57
SPEAKER_03: Like this is, you know, you got this.
12:59
SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm you're you're leading our family.
13:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, I try to get her close to Bitcoin to see if she will develop this love I have for Bitcoin.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, nah, I trust you.
13:10
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, honey, don't trust.
13:11
SPEAKER_00: You have to verify.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: Look, this is her seed, this is our Bitcoin.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: And she comes from Guatemala.
13:17
SPEAKER_00: And so when I showed her how much we had in terms of catales, that's their money in Guatemala, she's like, whoa.
13:24
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, you pretty much made it, but it's because of Bitcoin, Christ and Bitcoin.
13:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
13:30
SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
13:31
SPEAKER_03: No, I like to get that perspective because obviously we kind of had a similar journey of be, you know, kind of copy on the bagwine later, you know.
13:38
SPEAKER_03: And so I always like to hear a different perspective of maybe how couples have navigated it too.
13:44
SPEAKER_03: And it's great because I feel like I kind of did the same thing.
13:46
SPEAKER_03: I was like, yeah, I I trust you, you know, it just wasn't in my bandwidth at the moment to be able to really dive in.
13:52
SPEAKER_03: And then I was like, you know what, I should really probably understand this a little bit more.
13:56
SPEAKER_03: I I will say I'm still learning a lot of the lingo and and even, you know, I re-listened to our own podcast with our guests too, just to really understand some of the terminology.
14:07
SPEAKER_03: So it's just really fun.
14:09
SPEAKER_03: It's it's cool to hear that perspective.
14:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nice.
14:12
SPEAKER_01: Um and and then um also kind of getting on top of like going back to the one bitcoin, like owning one bitcoin.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: So, like, does owning one Bitcoin actually even matter?
14:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh, Gus?
14:20
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, dude.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: It feels so good.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: I remember back in 2022 when I made to 0.39 Bitcoin and Ledger Nano had a um, I used to use that crypto before, but Ledger Nano had a bug.
14:32
SPEAKER_00: It was like a software-wide bug where people were seeing less Bitcoin they had.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: So I I remember being at 0.39 and then it came down to 0.18.
14:41
SPEAKER_00: And then I'm like flipping out.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was just a bug in the um user interface.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: So I call them, they're like, I'm so sorry, this is a bug.
14:50
SPEAKER_00: That's why it comes back to, I want to say to people that Bitcoin is an open source protocol, meaning the code is free and transparent for all every all eyes in there to see.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: There's no backdoors, there's no CIA waiting there to everything is open for every i2 audit.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
15:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:07
SPEAKER_00: Ledger is not.
15:08
SPEAKER_00: Ledger Nano, I gave it away to my friend because it's a closed uh source code.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: We don't know if there's a backdoor.
15:14
SPEAKER_00: And they said they could make a backdoor.
15:16
SPEAKER_00: Do you were you around in 2023 when they said they could do a backdoor and everybody just ganked up on them?
15:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: I I I totally remember that.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: It's like um, you know, I think whenever it comes to like self-custody, right?
15:27
SPEAKER_01: Super important.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh, there's Trezor, there's all these different, like, uh, you know, these different instruments for uh self-custody, right?
15:34
SPEAKER_01: Uh cool card, Q, and um all of these different ones.
15:37
SPEAKER_01: Like you one of our um earlier guests that we had on here, his name is Sean.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: He had like the best thing.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: He's like, it's personal finance.
15:43
SPEAKER_01: So what do whatever like works for you?
15:45
SPEAKER_01: It's personal, right?
15:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but then you but then when you do you go down the rabbit hole, you do this research and you see these hacks, it's like, okay, time to pivot, right?
15:52
SPEAKER_01: You have to be able to pivot uh when things go wrong.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: And so uh and uh so why does uh one only one Bitcoin matter?
16:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sorry, yeah.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: So uh then I remember making it to half a Bitcoin.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh my god.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: So the feeling you get is like euphoric, it's like it it feels like the joy you have, and then I was getting to point eight, point nine, I was still full time at the ambulance service, and then I hit, I remember just buying that last million Satoshis back in 2024 and sending it to cold storage.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, guys, I made it, and then everyone's like clapping.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: I got like, I think I almost had a million views for that post and tweet because Bitcoin maximalists they want you to succeed.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: That's the beauty of the Bitcoin maximalist world.
16:37
SPEAKER_00: We want you to succeed.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: We like to see you happy.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: If you guys get a million subscribers one day, I'm gonna be clapping and so happy.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, I know them.
16:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm so happy for them.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: That's the mindset of a Bitcoiner.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: We want to see the world thrive.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: Everybody, not just us.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: It's not about I, it's about us.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
16:54
SPEAKER_03: I love I I have really I'm new to the ex community too, and I have just really loved how positive everyone is and uplifting and encouraging.
17:04
SPEAKER_03: Everyone's just like just awesome.
17:07
SPEAKER_03: And that's one of the reasons why I trusted Anthony because I knew he was being surrounded by positive people.
17:12
SPEAKER_03: There was never like a negative thing that I heard.
17:14
SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's like over here doing push-ups and you know, going on exercising and reading and all this stuff.
17:19
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, what could I be mad or you know, frustrated about if like my husband's getting better, you know?
17:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so it's really cool to see that community um in the ex-community now that I've slowly started to dabble in there.
17:32
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, it's it's true.
17:34
SPEAKER_03: It's everyone wants everyone to win.
17:36
SPEAKER_03: Because in in the fiat world, we're fighting for our lives, really.
17:41
SPEAKER_03: It feels like you're like competing constantly, trying to climb the ladder, you're in a scarce mindset, you're all of those things.
17:49
SPEAKER_03: And what I've noticed and and learned is that Bitcoin has become a place of hope, a place of um encouragement, a positive place, you know, and it's just so opposite of what the fiat world is.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: It's so interesting what you said.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
18:04
SPEAKER_00: So the fiat world has a scarce mindset, even though the bankster print fiat money out of thin air and they have infinite amounts of fiat, yet Bitcoin is only there's there will ever only be 21 million Bitcoins, yet we're so generous and or the Bitcoin world is so uh hopeful and joyous and has a mind of abundance.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: You see, it's crazy how the opposites kind of uh contrast each other.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: That's a m that's an epiphany you just gave me.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: Holy moly.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
18:31
SPEAKER_03: It's been it's been eye-opening for me.
18:33
SPEAKER_03: And I uh because you know, we were we're all kind of trying to survive in this world.
18:37
SPEAKER_03: You know, it is.
18:38
SPEAKER_03: If you don't have Bitcoin or you haven't learned about it, uh yeah, I'm like, where's our next, you know, we have to buy this, we have to pay our bills, we have to survive, we have to do all these things.
18:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, diaper period, you know, like that alone.
18:54
SPEAKER_03: We've been in diaper world for six years.
18:56
SPEAKER_03: Five years, five years, six years.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: Um six years, yeah.
19:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
19:00
SPEAKER_03: So it's just been um very eye-opening in my opinion to just see the um because we've had uh we had Pastor Coin on last week and he was um what's uh I love him Alan, Alan.
19:14
SPEAKER_03: Um and yeah, he's awesome.
19:16
SPEAKER_03: And it was so great to kind of hear that perspective how Bitcoin is like really God's money, like how we who it is intended to be.
19:24
SPEAKER_03: So I just I'm I'm grateful that it aligns with our values, and that's the most important thing that we've we've tried to do as a couple.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: I love the way he contrasts.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, go ahead.
19:34
SPEAKER_00: I've all done contrast the godly worldview.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but Alan, Alan Armstrong, I've been following him forever now, and uh I uh his book is good.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: I haven't read it yet, um, but I I that's one of the reads I want to do next.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: That's so good.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: And then also like with, yeah, Alan's great.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: And then also with um like getting to one Bitcoin, like what is this even equivalent to?
19:55
SPEAKER_01: So like people who are like outsiders or new to to the Bitcoin space and they're like, oh, I hear this, I gotta get to one Bitcoin.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, what is that equivalent to?
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Like a beeffront property in the future?
20:05
SPEAKER_01: Is this like in you're in the 1%?
20:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh like what is this, what it what what would you compare it to?
20:12
SPEAKER_00: That is a wonderful um uh way to maybe uh grasp this concept.
20:18
SPEAKER_00: So it's like uh fiat bankster fiat money can be printed into oblivion.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: This is why people are not hopeful nowadays because they have to have three, four jobs and yet they're can't even make ends meet.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: They can't buy a house anymore.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: So they have that mindset of you know nihilism.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh but Bitcoin, when you start buying Bitcoin in the first couple years, you're like, wow, this is pretty cool.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm having a serious, and then Bitcoin rage pumps, like has a$10,000 candle, and then you're like, whoa, wait a minute, I need more of this, and then it goes down a little bit, and then the ex community, the Bitcoin community says, Calm down, it's okay, just keep buying, hodling, hold it for four years.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: Anyone who's been hodling Bitcoin for at least four years is in profit.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: And so that gives you that um that mentality of abundance, and then you start to see a world of hope and joy for the future.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: You're preparing yourself.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like the opposite of sabotaging yourself, you know, of making your future self go to jail or end up with worse situations.
21:17
SPEAKER_00: But um, so you're you're preparing yourself for a great future.
21:21
SPEAKER_00: So I guess it would be uh akin to beachfront prop property.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's really great, but I think there's so much taxes with property.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's more like like Michael Saylor puts it, it's like buying a whole block of Manhattan real estate in the 1750s and then holding it for your whole family.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Eventually, the entire world wants to buy property there.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: So for like a small block, it's hundreds of millions of dollars for you know Manhattan real estate.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: And that's the way it's going.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be even more than that because the banksters won't stop printing money out of thin air, and there will ever only be 21 million Bitcoin.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: That's all.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: So if you buy one Bitcoin now, it's literally it's gonna be.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Worth in infinite amounts of fiat because fiat in the end of the day is going to perish.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Just like I like to remember remind people that every single empire that had a currency, eventually that currency fell because of money debasement, whether it's coin clipping, whether it's just um just printing money out of thin air, just like we're doing now in a fiat system, unbacked by anything.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: And now the other nations of the globe globe are not even using uh the dollar to buy petroleum anymore.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: They're using other currencies, which is kind of scary, you know, for Americans.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: Um I know um, yeah, and then just like recently, right, with the straight air for Moss, like they just like, hey, we want Bitcoin only for passage, right?
22:39
SPEAKER_01: And I know people like if you're an outsider, right, and you watch the news and you're hearing this, like you have things have to start kind of like turning for you.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I hear the Bitcoin, I hear this stuff, I hear, you know, Trump talked about it on his campaign.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: I hear, but now I'm hearing about in war where people are like, hey, we if you want passage, right?
22:57
SPEAKER_01: And we want Bitcoin, it's like, dude, you have to like, you have to like somebody has to tell you to like get you get things moving.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, let me read a book, let me listen to a podcast, let me listen to an audio.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: Like, something has to trigger you to like, man, like I need to figure out what this is, right?
23:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: I so many people are um, you know, but PI has you running, you know, in the rat race.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: How am I gonna pay the rent?
23:21
SPEAKER_01: You know, so it has you running in these cycles that you don't even know, you don't even have time to come up for air to be like, hey, what is this Bitcoin thing?
23:28
SPEAKER_01: Right.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: And so it's really, it's really, it's really interesting how everything is playing out and you know, just seeing where things go, I think it reminds me.
23:38
SPEAKER_03: Oh, go ahead.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, it reminds me of somebody, you know, this is not my idea, but I saw an X.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, you work 35 years, 40 years for something you don't understand.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: Sit down for 40, 35 minutes just to just to read about what you're what you're working for, right?
23:55
SPEAKER_00: And then when you do do that, you're like, oh, fiat is a complete Ponzi scheme with an actual leader.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Bitcoin has no leader, but it's the opposite of a Ponzi scheme.
24:07
SPEAKER_03: It's uh it's wild.
24:08
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you have to you have to really, you know, even for me, you're so the system is doing exactly what it's intended to do, right?
24:16
SPEAKER_03: Whether it's with our school system or money system, or you know, we are they've kind of trained us in a way to be distracted and to do these things a certain way.
24:25
SPEAKER_03: And so it doesn't give us the opportunity to really think for ourselves and allow us to really um be critical thinkers anymore.
24:32
SPEAKER_03: And I think the world is constantly changing.
24:34
SPEAKER_03: And um I'm thankful for like the Gen Z gen, you know, generation that's like really opening their eyes and hopefully put implementing themselves in spaces to be like, hey, this isn't working anymore.
24:46
SPEAKER_03: Like we can't do this anymore.
24:48
SPEAKER_03: Um so I we've really valued those conversations with some of um the people community in X2 because I I feel like we're you know, although we're a little bit older, we're not that far away.
24:59
SPEAKER_03: And so if they can create some change in uh in that in that generation, oh my gosh, I feel like that'll even streamline streamline everything to the Bitcoin space for sure.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that reminds me like the new generations are all digitally native.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: I think this new generation will be the one that's gonna usher as a big great leap towards the Bitcoin world, the hyperbitized world.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: If you think about it, people are born, raised, educated, live online, they work online, the commerce is online, uh, relationships are now online.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Like I have no friends in real life.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm making friends now.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: This is where I have the fun.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's we're your friends, thank you.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: Finally, I have some friends.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: My daughter says, You have no friends.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm working for your job.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
25:46
SPEAKER_03: You know, I know.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: The new generations are all digitally native.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: They live online, they do everything online, they game online, everything is done online.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: So I think, you know, my what my mom found her uh husband online and they they have a beautiful life for 15 years now.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: I have a little sister, and I think that it's gonna be an obvious next step, you know, like the internet.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: Some people create, but Paul, I forgot the name of that um economist, he said uh the internet is gonna be no uh as relevant as the fax machine, it's not gonna have a big impact in the world.
26:17
SPEAKER_00: Boy, was he wrong, right?
26:19
SPEAKER_00: Because the internet is now in seven billion devices worldwide.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: Seven billion people have access to the internet, and six point five billion have actually a smartphone that they can type and be connected to the rest of the world through social media.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Everybody's hearing about Bitcoin now.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: It's it's spreading the bankster is done.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: And that's why I think too, is like when you so then like when is the light bulb gonna go off for them, right?
26:41
SPEAKER_01: They like you said, they're digitally native, everything in their life has been like online, basically.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: And so then when, and if you think I think about this all the time right now, I'm like, our money is like so outdated, it's so dinosaur, it's so like, hey, uh close at five o'clock.
26:58
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think it's funny how like well, everyone's at work, like, and then when they get out, it's closes.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: It's like the time that they actually the time that they actually need it to be open, they're like, hey, we're closing too for the weekend.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, how does how does our money like not available 24-7, right?
27:14
SPEAKER_01: And Bitcoin fixes this, it fixes it.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: You have access for it, even with the stock market.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: I love how uh going back to the stock market, like if you just put a comparison, like like we're uh the stock market's closed for the weekend, you know, whenever you know, whenever it closes, and it's like dude, Bitcoin's 24-7.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: Your money should be 24-7.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: You want access to your money, you can go get it 24-7 in the middle of the night, two o'clock, three o'clock, like you should be like it's 2026.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: What are we talking about?
27:38
SPEAKER_01: Like this is like these are like 1906 principles, right?
27:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, it's like this is like horses, not even cars, right?
27:47
SPEAKER_01: This is like, I don't know, it's just funny the way when you think about things and you just like you just have to reflect.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if I'm just getting older.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm on I reflect every day.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, like it's great.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: Everything is like calculated, right?
27:59
SPEAKER_01: Who we hang out with, where we go, you know, uh, where we spend our money, like everything is calculated.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: Who what are what do our kids listen to?
28:06
SPEAKER_01: What do they look at, you know?
28:08
SPEAKER_01: And so I don't know, you just have to be more um, you have to be alert, right?
28:12
SPEAKER_01: Awareness has to be on a thousand and then you know, figure it out.
28:16
SPEAKER_03: Do you feel like chasing one Bitcoin is realistic for most people?
28:21
SPEAKER_03: Like, you know what I mean?
28:22
SPEAKER_03: Like if you're just you know hearing like, oh my gosh, 70 one Bitcoin is 74 or 75,000, right?
28:30
SPEAKER_03: Do you feel like that's um is chasing that one bitcoin realistic for most people?
28:35
SPEAKER_00: I think I think so.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: There there is hope, especially in the West.
28:38
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you live in like Mozambique, um we have charities at church that we work with in Mozambique, and we're very grateful to be able to help them out.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: But if you live in Mozambique, like one Bitcoin is kind of hard for you.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: But in America, in Canada, in Australia, we live in the most prosperous nations in the history of human civilization.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: I think it is, you know, if you have a a full-time job where you're making at least$50,000 or more a year.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: I like to remind Americans that if you make$35,000 or$40,000 a year or more, you are the top 1% of the world.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: Like there's Bernie Sanders, the billionaires, the millionaires.
29:14
SPEAKER_00: It's like the top 1%.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: But he doesn't, he fails to explain to the youth, you are the top 1%.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: If you're if you're a bar uh, what do you call it, uh barista, uh Starbucks and you're making$35,000,$40,000 a year, you are literally the top one.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: So I think it is, especially if you have like a part-time or a full-time gig and you can do a side hustle like uh leaf blowing or snow blowing or landscaping.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, every entrepreneur, every almost every American that in our age now has a side gig of sorts, you know, they have to, or else they can't even make ends meet.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: You have to.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: You have to absolutely have to.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: And I think if you're buying a million Satoshis every week or every month, you could realistically achieve a Bitcoin, but I think we're about to see some major um explosive action on Bitcoin that I think once Bitcoin reaches, you know,$300,000,$400,000, it's gonna be tough, man.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: I remember when Bitcoin was$17,000 and I did not buy enough.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: I think I stacked like 11 or 12 million sats.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: And now I look back, I'm like, what?
30:19
SPEAKER_00: Why didn't I buy more Bitcoin?
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Of course, everybody has that, you know.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: I think it's realistic.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: No, no, that's really good.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: And just to flip it now, right?
30:29
SPEAKER_01: So point one Bitcoin, right?
30:32
SPEAKER_01: So point you said you just shared with us, right?
30:34
SPEAKER_01: One Bitcoin is attainable still, living in the West, figuring things out, being a solution seeker, you know, having a side hustle.
30:40
SPEAKER_01: Now, on the other side, point one.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: Is that gonna be enough in five to ten years, right?
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Somebody's like, you know, like you said, they come in here and they're like, oh my god, 75,000 is so much.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: But let me get to point one Bitcoin.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: Let me see what I can get.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: They get to point one Bitcoin and we're looking down now.
30:55
SPEAKER_01: We're uh fast forward five to ten years.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: Is that enough for them to retire or even like live comfortably?
31:01
SPEAKER_01: What would you say, Gus?
31:02
SPEAKER_00: 10 million Satoshis.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: 10.1 Bitcoin would be 10 million satoshis, and I think it um five to 10 years, I don't think that would be enough to retire in five to ten years, but it would be enough in 30 to 40 years for sure, because fiat is heading where we think it's heading.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: It's it's not gonna be around for much longer.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: I think in our lifetime, I don't know when, of course, but I think in our lifetime, fiat is going to be.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: I think there's always gonna be uh government tokens around, you know, like um you go to like an arcade, you have to buy their tokens because that's how the machine, that's what the machine accept.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: But now you see Florida, Arkansas, and other states and and other nation states worldwide accepting Bitcoin as a form of taxation.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: So at that point, it you know, I think maybe 10 million sets would be enough to retire in 30 to 40 years, but we could certainly aim for more, you know.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: Like if you're an American, try to get half a Bitcoin, even like 0.5 would be excellent.
32:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, 0.5 would be huge, right?
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, what do you we on that, since you're talking talking about that, like uh two questions for you.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: So would point five, what is 0.5 Bitcoin look like, right?
32:51
SPEAKER_01: To somebody is that is that retirement in five to ten years?
32:54
SPEAKER_01: And then also to add on that, um, when do you realistically because this is hard for me to grasp, and um really realistically like see thing priced out in SATS?
33:08
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, I honestly it's so hard to tell, you know, because uh the dollar could collapse tomorrow, all world currencies could collapse tomorrow.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: Bitcoin could go to like it what happened in Iran.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: What was it like a month or two ago?
33:21
SPEAKER_00: I think maybe two months ago in January, when Bitcoin like went parabolic overnight in Iran.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: If if somehow I could post this chart here, I'll post it in X to this, I'll clip this podcast later and post it with the picture on X.
33:34
SPEAKER_00: But basically, uh the Iranian real uh completely dipped against Bitcoin and the Bitcoin, I don't even remember anymore.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: What is it, a hundred billion for a Bitcoin in in Iranian Reales?
33:46
SPEAKER_00: That's why they're mining Bitcoin for their strategic reserve for for a couple of years now.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: And so I don't, you know, I I wish I could say, um, I don't know, I'm not sure, you know?
33:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:58
SPEAKER_03: Do you feel like um now I'm I'm thinking about the the younger generation too, and kids who are going through school.
34:05
SPEAKER_03: I even have some friends that have even just graduated uh their siblings and stuff, and I'm thinking about them when they see kind of this shift happening in this world, and we're thankfully uh educating ourselves more, but I feel like or maybe you might feel the same.
34:18
SPEAKER_03: Um, do you feel like people are getting discouraged when they see uh, you know, what win what one Bitcoin costs, and then they just end up, you know, forget it.
34:27
SPEAKER_03: I can't do this.
34:28
SPEAKER_03: This is too much.
34:29
SPEAKER_03: Like, do you do you see that ever?
34:31
SPEAKER_03: Or have you ever, you know, had conversations like that before?
34:34
SPEAKER_00: That's a great point.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes, even psychologically, part of me is like, oh man, people are never gonna get to one Bitcoin.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: That's maybe 10 or 15% of my head, but then there's the the the 80%, 85% that's really hopeful.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, of course they can reach it.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: They can be entrepreneurs, they can start a junk removal business, they can, you know, be buying a ton of sets every day.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: I think that people need to be, and when people study Bitcoin, they start to have that hope to work harder to to achieve that goal of having of having a full Bitcoin.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, uh, what was the question again?
35:11
SPEAKER_00: I I was going somewhere with that.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: It's super interesting question.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: I forgot, sorry.
35:15
SPEAKER_03: No, it's okay.
35:16
SPEAKER_03: No, I'm just I was just kind of more of a a conversational piece too, is more so I feel like the the younger generation, being that we they are growing up in this digital world where everything is so instantaneous, right?
35:28
SPEAKER_03: I things are so instant for them that they are like, oh, I can get my food delivered to me, I can get all this delivery.
35:34
SPEAKER_03: And we're in an age where we're like, uh, let's just go pick it up.
35:37
SPEAKER_03: Like we don't want to go and spend money on that, you know, or whatever.
35:40
SPEAKER_03: And so when they see a number like 75,000 for one Bitcoin and they're learning about, you know, investments and things like that, um, it's possible for them to feel discouraged, you know, to be to be able to get to that one Bitcoin.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: I think, I think deferred gratification or low time preference comes with wisdom comes with wisdom.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: And uh I think as you age, your prefrontal cortex finishes developing, you're like, oh, okay, life is like this, not like that.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: I think eventually, you know how we're young and our hormones are all over the place.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: I have a teenager and she just sometimes has a hard time with emotions and stuff, just like every teenager.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: And I I try to sit down and talk to her.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes uh you have to let them kind of fall on their faces, unfortunately, and kind of learn from their past mistakes.
36:28
SPEAKER_00: I think that um a discouragement will eventually fade as wisdom and experience comes in and they see that they're building like 0.2, 0.3, 0.4 bitcoins.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: Now they have 40 million sats.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: I think that will be like, you know what?
36:43
SPEAKER_00: No, I can do it.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: I think it's up to the individual.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh maybe even like it's a biological trait that we have.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: Maybe, I don't know.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: I think it's like some people are just more driven, you know, some more um energetic, I don't know, passionate, maybe, you know?
37:00
SPEAKER_00: And other people maybe they're happy or content with not having, you know, uh that much, but then they see other people being able to achieve 0.8, one Bitcoin, two Bitcoins, they're like, I can do it too, you know.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: And the debit that's the beauty of Bitcoin too.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: It drives you to have um entrepreneurship spirit that when you study Bitcoin, you're like, whoa, I want this, I need this.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: You start to provide value for society, thus making you more uh productive and giving the economy more value, you know, just growing the economy, growing, helping it grow the country.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: Bitcoin, I feel like it's it there's only benefits to it.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't think there's any downsides at all.
37:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, not that I've seen for sure.
37:39
SPEAKER_03: I haven't seen any negative, even just with the people, you know, like that's a main thing too.
37:44
SPEAKER_03: But I I feel like it would be important also to kind of surround yourself with people who are learning outside of you know the fiat system and learning about Bitcoin to really help maybe even encourage those conversations or help them learn, right?
37:58
SPEAKER_03: Like I feel um even for me, it took me kind of talking to Anthony more.
38:03
SPEAKER_03: And then we were talking about I can't be the only person having these questions.
38:07
SPEAKER_03: We should probably start talking to other people and see where my, you know, where my mindset's at, where his mindset's at, and where other people's mindsets at.
38:15
SPEAKER_03: And that's really helped me develop as someone who's really wanting to understand it more and and starting to understand it more.
38:22
SPEAKER_03: Um, and surrounding myself in the community of X, you know, like really getting to know people and uh certain the terminologies, all that.
38:31
SPEAKER_03: Like, so that's all very encouraging.
38:33
SPEAKER_03: But you're right, the time preference, the low time preference is a huge, huge thing that I feel like that's a it's a skill in life, though, right?
38:42
SPEAKER_03: It's a life skill, it's not just a Bitcoin skill, you know, it's a life skill.
38:47
SPEAKER_03: Um, we talk about it all the time, just with our own kids.
38:50
SPEAKER_03: Like you just because you want it doesn't mean you get it.
38:52
SPEAKER_03: You know, you have to really earn it and work at it and you know, all those things.
38:56
SPEAKER_03: And it's probably because we're both athletes that we kind of have that mindset too.
39:00
SPEAKER_03: Right.
39:00
SPEAKER_03: You're not gonna be you're not gonna be good at something right when you start, you have to really work at it.
39:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, I just I I think that's such an interesting point that we were, you know, kind of talking about, you know, getting to that one Bitcoin.
39:11
SPEAKER_03: Even for me, when he was first telling me it's like, oh yeah, I went up to a hundred thousand, or I don't know, at one point it was like it's going away from us.
39:19
SPEAKER_01: I know.
39:19
SPEAKER_03: I was like, how are we supposed to get there?
39:23
SPEAKER_03: You know, like gosh, this is what we gotta get three jobs like gun.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: And this is what people don't realize.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: Like it it bitcoin dips, and then you have to you have to this is why Bitcoiners say study Bitcoin, not necessarily buy Bitcoin, because um if you study Bitcoin, you'll see that it has 80% drops, uh 50% drops, 40, just like the one we had recently from$126,000 all the way down to 62.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: We made to$60,000.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, didn't quite make to$58,000, but uh we you will have an opportunity, you know.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: And ultimately, like dollar cost averaging, it's been proven in studies and like uh Ivy League universities like Cornell and Harvard has been proven no matter what you invest in, if you buy consistently just a little bit with your surplus that you have every week or biweekly that you get paid, just buy 50 bucks here, 50 bucks there.
40:16
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter if you're buying the SP 500.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: Now, if you buy Bitcoin, that's what we encourage you to do, not financial advice, but if you buy Bitcoin, the K Gar is ridiculously it has explosive growths throughout the years.
40:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna continue to do that because the bankster cartels are not gonna stop printing money.
40:32
SPEAKER_00: And the DCA strategy is time.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's it's the perfect uh strategy proven by so many people that have used it throughout history, and eventually you will get there.
40:44
SPEAKER_00: You know, you absolutely will get there to your goal.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you don't even have to be like loaded.
40:48
SPEAKER_01: That's what's great about DCA and like you just be like, like you said, you could be a barista.
40:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know that's how you say it.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: You could be a barista at Starbucks, you can be doing XYZ construction worker, like whatever it is, and just throw a little bit in there.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: Everybody has a little bit extra.
41:03
SPEAKER_01: Everybody has a little bit extra, right?
41:05
SPEAKER_01: Don't buy their that coffee, right?
41:07
SPEAKER_01: Don't go out for one uh, you know, one dinner out of the month, right?
41:10
SPEAKER_01: You can just throw it in there and it's gonna just compound over time.
41:14
SPEAKER_01: And you know, that's what and like DCA ing is such a I don't know, it's it's it's such a it's such a great thing for even how even if you start super young.
41:23
SPEAKER_01: Imagine what if you're at 18, you're an 18-year-old listening to this right now, and in 12 years, when you're 30, that DCA ing in 12 years is gonna be huge.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be light years.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: Like you don't in and you probably think like 30 is so far away.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: No, 30 will be here boom tomorrow, right?
41:40
SPEAKER_01: And in when you're 30, 40's gonna be here tomorrow.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: And if you're listening to this, when you're about to graduate school, like if you're in high school, you're gonna graduate college tomorrow.
41:48
SPEAKER_01: If you're in college, you're gonna grab you're if you're you just started college, you're gonna graduate tomorrow.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: If you're in in and you're in college, you're gonna be married, you just graduated college, you're gonna be married tomorrow.
41:56
SPEAKER_01: Like, time is flying.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: And when we're younger, it's so easy to be like, oh man, that's a that's a long time, you know.
42:02
SPEAKER_01: I'll get like, no, you don't like work, you know, so time's flying.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: But um, no, I I I love it, you know, and so like going get into one Bitcoin, it's such a huge milestone for people.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: Like you shared, Gus, it's still very uh attainable.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, uh when it when we're talking about the dips, right?
42:18
SPEAKER_01: Like studying Bitcoin, like when Bitcoin was over 100,000, I was one of those people in that camp where I was like, hey, it's never coming back down under 100,000.
42:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, dude, this is it.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: This is it.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: That's natural.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: That's how people think.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: And it won't matter.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: Like, I bought, I think, three or four million sets for my business at 111,000.
42:36
SPEAKER_00: And I was cool with it when it went down because and then I posted, I remember when it reached like 65, maybe.
42:42
SPEAKER_00: I posted, it won't matter if I bought at 111,000.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: It won't matter if I bought a 50,000 when it's at a million, when it's at a 10 million per Bitcoin, it doesn't matter.
42:53
SPEAKER_00: All that matters is that I dollar cost average with my business money, with my money.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna see, I'm gonna be able to see, of course, in the in the uh DCA historic uh price, you know, well, my my history of buying, the buying history, or whether you're purchasing a river or Bitcoin well or Bitcoin or Strike, I'm gonna be able to see those dollar costs.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: I still, I even nowadays, I go back to my to my purchases back in 21, 2021, 2022.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: I see all my purchases,$50 a year,$50 there.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't much.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: I remember with$250 when I got in, you could buy$250, could buy you a million sets.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: So with$500, you could buy two million sats.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: I was like, whoa, why didn't I buy more?
43:33
SPEAKER_00: But then you're gonna look back the same way once it's 2030, 2032, and it flies by, like you said.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: It really flies by.
43:40
SPEAKER_00: It sounds cliche because her parents used to tell us to us when we were little.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: You're just like, oh, okay, mom, whatever.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: But then it's here, you're like, oh my God, it's Friday already.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: Holy moly, especially when you have kids, right?
43:52
SPEAKER_00: You're busy all the time.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh god, in 10 to 15 years, when Bitcoin is at 1.2, 1.5 million dollars, you're like, It didn't matter that I bought a hundred thousand or fifty thousand.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: So just buy it.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: Just buy it.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:06
SPEAKER_03: It's that compound effect.
44:07
SPEAKER_03: You know, I don't know if you've ever read that book, Compound Effect, but it's it's little little steps really compound into what you want it to become.
44:15
SPEAKER_03: Uh I want to read it.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: What book is that?
44:17
SPEAKER_00: It sounds like I would love it.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's called The Compound Effect.
44:20
SPEAKER_03: I forget.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
44:23
SPEAKER_01: It is so good.
44:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's right there.
44:24
SPEAKER_01: It's by uh Darren Hardy.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: It's really good.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: And it's a quick read too.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: It's not like a uh like a it's not like a huge, thick book.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: Like it's not dense.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's a quick read and it's super powerful.
44:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the compound effect by Darren Hardy.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: It's a really great book.
44:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it just talks about all your small things you do daily compound into some to to be a greater outcome in the end.
44:46
SPEAKER_01: It's like a it's I'd always say it's like a it's like a smaller version of uh um and quicker version of like atomic habits.
44:53
SPEAKER_01: That's a good book.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've ever read Atomic Hit.
44:55
SPEAKER_01: It's like it's almost like the same concept, uh, just a little bit shorter, but it it's really good on that.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: And then um, yeah, no, I love I love that.
45:04
SPEAKER_03: I I'm curious too what you feel about like the adoption process of you know, when we eventually get to that point of Bitcoin's maybe our currency or really starting to dive into our system.
45:16
SPEAKER_03: Like, do you feel like how can we start kind of incorporating that?
45:21
SPEAKER_03: Or will that be a few years from now where people are really like exchanging Bitcoin for goods, you know, like how we have our own currency now?
45:28
SPEAKER_03: Like I'm I'm just curious.
45:30
SPEAKER_03: I like to hear people's mindset around that.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: I think it will be natural.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: Like one day I was uh working at my the ambulance service and my buddy said, Hey, we're gonna get pizza, everybody's gonna give five bucks.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: Do you have five bucks?
45:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh man, I don't have any cash, I don't carry cash.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, just Venmo me.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what in the world is Venmo?
45:46
SPEAKER_00: And then he helped me download it like five minutes, literally five minutes.
45:50
SPEAKER_00: I downloaded it, paid him five bucks for the pizza.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: So it turns out I was the only one not using Venmo.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: My mom had Venmo, my wife had Venmo, my stepdad had Venmo.
45:58
SPEAKER_00: All my coworkers, I had no idea because I was, you know, busy working all the time.
46:03
SPEAKER_00: And so it's gonna be like that.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: Bitcoin one day, nobody knows about it, even though it's now a household term, pretty much.
46:09
SPEAKER_00: Everybody, everybody has heard about Bitcoin.
46:11
SPEAKER_00: Eventually, it will be a household term on a daily basis.
46:14
SPEAKER_00: Right now, maybe it's once a year mentioned, maybe, you know, maybe once every five years, but eventually it's gonna be daily household term that, yeah, eventually all of the merchants that now we have what five million merchants with with uh Square from Jack Dorsey, the founder of Twitter, now uh formerly known as Twitter, now called X.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, four million merchants have been onboarded, but we don't even need that.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, if if I acquire a service from you guys, I can just use some SAT spend with you guys and pay you guys in SATS.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: There's already, you know, you see PayPal, you see Venmo now.
46:47
SPEAKER_00: You can literally you can buy Bitcoin and Venmo and withdraw it to self-custody.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: You used to not be able to do that because Bitcoin maximalists are loud and noisy, you know, yeah, squeaky wheel gets degrees.
46:58
SPEAKER_00: We're always telling that, hey, we want to self-custody our Bitcoin, and they finally made that, you know, Venmo, PayPal, Cash App.
47:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's gonna be a natural uh grassroot thing.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: It's happening over this speak.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: And I I have a very thing I feel strongly about is the um uh Lawrence Lapard, a legendary um uh investor.
47:16
SPEAKER_00: You you know him.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's just a great, wonderful, loving guy.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: He's not too far from me, he's like half hour from me.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: He he gives the example of like the washing machine and the dryers, though you know you can make that example for any other uh world-revolutionizing, world-changing innovation like the fridge, airplane, flight, cars, motor vehicles, combustible engine.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: It takes uh to go from zero to 10% adoption, it takes, let's say it took 10 years to go from zero to 10% adoption of the washer and dryer.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna take the same amount, but this time to go from 10 to 90 percent.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: So the second, the S-curve, the second part of the S-curve is exponential.
47:54
SPEAKER_00: So right now, if you if you look at the um blockchain analysis, uh Memphle, or if you look at um uh Glassnode, you see so many wallets.
48:04
SPEAKER_00: It's like it went like that, it's spiking, it's spiking.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: Eventually it's gonna be parabolic because the whole world is gonna start coming into this because of layer twos and layer threes, like Ash App, like Venmo.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: People don't understand how important that is, like the the new uh Clarity Act or the um the Genius Act.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: Those are all uh foundations for uh basically the government giving the green light.
48:26
SPEAKER_00: Not that we need it, but it's basically important because you know when America's knees is the world catches a cold.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: Like Brazil, where my mom's from, they they copy everything America does, the SEC, the FBI, the Brazil copies everything America does because it works.
48:40
SPEAKER_00: And so when America's knees is uh the world catches a cold, people are now saying, like in Pakistan, um, in Russia, in Brazil, they're all saying, okay, let's pass Bitcoin laws.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: You see uh the states now in America, many of them have extremely Bitcoin-friendly laws that are already passed that are uh a constitutional right for you to have Bitcoin and transact in Bitcoin.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: It's only the beginning.
49:02
SPEAKER_00: Once people start getting to stable coins, that's just gonna be an on-ramp into Bitcoin and the worldwide people are gonna talk more about it.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: And I think this is where you guys come in.
49:12
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
49:12
SPEAKER_00: I always say there's not enough Bitcoin podcasts.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: There is absolutely not enough.
49:16
SPEAKER_00: We need more Bitcoin podcasts.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to make a podcast because I feel like that's a big commitment, and I have my kids, and I I have three jobs.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: I really can't.
49:26
SPEAKER_00: So I bless you guys.
49:27
SPEAKER_00: I really am so grateful for you guys, for people like you guys, Robin Sayer, Brown uh from Bitcoin for Millennials.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: There, we need more, and eventually when price skyrockets, people are gonna be talking and Googling it, they're gonna come to you, and then you're gonna get a ton of subscribers and followers.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: And this is the content that matters because you're talking from people with all from all walks of life, and people are listening.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: That it's happening as we speak, in my opinion.
49:52
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome, yeah.
49:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that that's good.
49:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, we we it it was something that we just want like overall, like, you know, educate Danielle a little bit more on it, and then also like we just need to help people, right?
50:05
SPEAKER_01: Like, that's the thing.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: Like, people are out there just like working two to three jobs, you know, and and and and or even working hard, right?
50:12
SPEAKER_01: At one job, you're and you're working hard for less.
50:15
SPEAKER_01: Like, they're like, you have like, how do you not feel it?
50:18
SPEAKER_01: How do you not question it?
50:19
SPEAKER_01: How do you not like look feel it's answered, right?
50:22
SPEAKER_00: But they haven't had the epiphany yet because you know, you see people getting in their cars and making those rents, they feel it in their bones.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: They're like, what is this?
50:29
SPEAKER_00: And this is why we're shouting from mountaintops, like you said, it's out of love, it's out of of compassion and empathy for people.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, you're a hundred percent right.
50:38
SPEAKER_01: There's like I've been also seeing like a lot lately, especially this year, a lot more videos of like uh Gen Zers are like in their car and they're breaking down and they're just like, dude, I'm working my butt off.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: I can't even pay for rent, I can't even do XYZ.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: Like, what's the whole purpose of living?
50:56
SPEAKER_01: And it's like it's so sad to see that and hear that because it's like, dude, like that's not how life is.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: Like, it wasn't the way that I, you know, in my in my uh vision, like I don't think that way that God was intended, like abundance, right?
51:07
SPEAKER_01: Like, there's so much out there for everyone to win.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: You and you just have to see, you have to go get it, you have to feel it, you have to figure out the you have to find the right vehicles for you, right?
51:16
SPEAKER_01: Bitcoin is that vehicle, and what's great about Bitcoin is like it's so simple, it is so simple.
51:21
SPEAKER_01: You just buy it and put it away, right?
51:23
SPEAKER_01: You just buy it and put it away, and so and then you go live your life, right?
51:27
SPEAKER_01: And then you just let it do its thing because time is gonna time time waits for nobody, time's just gonna keep going.
51:32
SPEAKER_01: So before you know it, you're gonna be like, wow, I had like 0.5, like now it's X, Y, Z amount.
51:36
SPEAKER_01: Well, I had one Bitcoin, now it's like one million, or you know, you know, whatever it may be, is and you all you did was you still went to work every day, you still hung out with your family, you know, you still hit the gym, right?
51:47
SPEAKER_01: You still spend time with your kids.
51:49
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is where like Bitcoin will like let it do its thing, let it let Bitcoin do the heavy lifting for you, right?
51:55
SPEAKER_01: And so uh it's just really gonna, it's it's gonna be interesting to see where it is, right?
52:00
SPEAKER_01: And like five years from now.
52:01
SPEAKER_01: And um just I don't know, it's just everything in general.
52:04
SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you not go into the grocery store and just see that things are like a$20 is buying you less,$100 is buying you less, and then like thinking, like, man, let me put my thinking cap on and figure out how I can make my money work for me.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
52:19
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
52:20
SPEAKER_00: And this is why I love your podcast.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: I love just you guys because people ultimately they're gonna get online and say, you know, what is money?
52:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, what is going on?
52:29
SPEAKER_00: What is inflation?
52:30
SPEAKER_00: And then a Bitcoin podcast pops up and they listen to these long forms.
52:34
SPEAKER_00: And you see now the kids, they love long form podcasts like these ones, you know, an hour, two hours.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: They listen to throughout.
52:40
SPEAKER_00: And I think that, you know, the more Bitcoin podcasts there are uh from different niches and walks of life, like you guys come from a family Christian perspective, people are gonna go for that.
52:51
SPEAKER_00: You know, others like uh Robert Breedlove, that he's more of a like a working out kind of uh uh free entrepreneurship aesthetics.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: And there's other, you know, Bitcoin from millennials and other brands like TFTC.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: People are going to be guided through the algorithm, is gonna do the work, but Bitcoin is gonna, like you said, Bitcoin is so simple.
53:10
SPEAKER_00: If people just sit down, again, people work for 35, 40 years for something they don't understand.
53:16
SPEAKER_00: Just sit down, people, for 30 minutes, for 40 minutes, that's it.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: And see what money is, what is with where this comes from, what backs it?
53:26
SPEAKER_00: Nothing backs it.
53:26
SPEAKER_00: Spoiler alert.
53:27
SPEAKER_00: It used to be backed by gold.
53:29
SPEAKER_00: One ounce was one dollar, you know, one dollar was one ounce of gold.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: And then executive order 6102 for the gold bugs out there, gold's the best.
53:37
SPEAKER_00: No, because gold can be confiscated from you.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: Not only that, in every nation of the world, it was confiscated from its citizens.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: And in America, you'd think that never happened here.
53:47
SPEAKER_00: It happened.
53:48
SPEAKER_00: Executive order 6102.
53:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, by uh I forgot the president.
53:54
SPEAKER_01: I think it's my intent.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: Roosevelt, you're you're right.
53:57
SPEAKER_00: And so they just, if you did not give your gold, it was a ten thousand dollar fine, up to 10,000, and 10 years in jail.
54:04
SPEAKER_00: That's that's crazy for not being a criminal for for owning gold.
54:09
SPEAKER_00: And of course, uh, then they broke the gold pack in 1971.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Richard Nixon's like, all right, no more.
54:14
SPEAKER_00: And France was asking for their gold back, Italy was asking for their gold back.
54:18
SPEAKER_00: Everybody, and you see, there if there's a custodian, this is why the idea, the revolution of Bitcoin is that you are your custodian.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: You memorize 1224 words, boom, that's it.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: The Bitcoin ledger has, if you have your seed, you can unlock it, side of transaction anytime you want.
54:33
SPEAKER_00: Done, Zola.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
54:35
SPEAKER_01: So, uh, dude, that was so good, Gus.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: And just to kind of wrap things up, so one more thing, too.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: Adding to what you just shared right now, a lot of people don't even know that gold was confiscated back then, like the US did that, because those people are not even alive.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: If those people were alive today who had to give up their gold, they would be like, dude, you need to get Bitcoin right now.
54:52
SPEAKER_01: They'd be like, you need to buy Bitcoin.
54:54
SPEAKER_01: Son daughter, you need to buy Bitcoin.
54:56
SPEAKER_01: But nobody was alive when that actually happened.
54:59
SPEAKER_01: So, like, no one's here to warn us and be like, yo, this is really bad what they're doing right now.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: We've seen this, or we've already seen this movie before.
55:07
SPEAKER_01: And so, um and then just to uh and then to and kind of wrap things up a little bit right now.
55:12
SPEAKER_01: So, like in the future, like um, how important would you say like owning any Bitcoin would be then to end this this podcast?
55:20
SPEAKER_00: But it's completely in the world where we're traveling, you know, uh if you see like playing uh flight logs and the maps that you can see, all the airplanes moving around the globe, the globe is emerging, it's uh it's inevitable that everybody's intermarrying and it's beautiful and migrating and learning each other's languages, uh having relationships across, you know, across seas.
55:41
SPEAKER_00: Why would you risk losing all your assets?
55:45
SPEAKER_00: You know, if if you know, back in the days, in a more somber perspective, if uh the Jewish people in the 1930s, Germany had Bitcoin available, they could leave with all their assets.
55:55
SPEAKER_00: They were lucky if they left with two or five percent of their assets.
55:58
SPEAKER_00: A little bit of gold, a little bit of silver.
56:00
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
56:00
SPEAKER_00: They were gone, their houses are gone.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: They were like multi-millionaires at the time.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: They're everything is gone.
56:05
SPEAKER_00: They just rent for their lives.
56:07
SPEAKER_00: Bitcoin, you can just wear flip-flops men and cross a desert if you have to, because you have your entire wealth it memorized in your head, which is my case, but also stamp it in metal.
56:17
SPEAKER_01: So yep, exactly.
56:18
SPEAKER_01: Yep, I agree.
56:20
SPEAKER_01: So good, dude.
56:21
SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks, Gus.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: Man, this has been so fun.
56:24
SPEAKER_01: I am so glad for you carving out time and uh taking time to come out on our podcast to the moon with the lunas.
56:30
SPEAKER_01: We really appreciate you uh and your content.
56:32
SPEAKER_01: I love watching you uh, you know, just driving around to work or to Costco, wherever you're going, you know, just spitting facts too.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: I love that, man.
56:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you always have great energy.
56:41
SPEAKER_01: So I was like, man, when I first saw, I was like, dude, we gotta get guests on here.
56:44
SPEAKER_01: We gotta get guests.
56:45
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, man.
56:45
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: If you guys are ever in this side of the of the country, let me know.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: We'll I'll buy you guys a coffee, hang out a little bit, play with the kids.
56:52
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: It really was a pleasure.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: It was fun.
56:55
SPEAKER_03: That was awesome.
56:55
SPEAKER_03: Where can people connect with you?
56:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, at scavucini777 on X.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: Um Scavicini, uh Scavicini also on on Instagram.
57:05
SPEAKER_00: So just at Scavicini777.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: Can you spell that out for people just in case for our listeners?
57:10
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: Um S-C A V A C I N I Scavuccini at Scavicini 777 or B T C Gus too.
57:20
SPEAKER_00: You can find me B T C Gus on Twitter X.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm mostly an X.
57:23
SPEAKER_00: So awesome.
57:25
SPEAKER_03: Cool.
57:25
SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you again so much, Gus, and uh, we look forward to connecting with you in the future.
57:31
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
57:33
SPEAKER_00: All right, all right, Gus.
57:34
SPEAKER_00: God bless, fam.