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Episode 67: Rewatching Rogue One in the Theater...And Sobbing Like Fools! · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello, there. It's time for most things
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  Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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  episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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  and all things. Star Wars.
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  I'm your host Leanne and I'm your host Lauren.
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  Hey, we're together. We're literally sitting across
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  the table from each other. Yes, which might explain why our
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  audio is a little different, but it should be still pretty.
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  Pretty decent. I would just do some test runs.
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  Yeah, try not to talk over each other.
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  Well, last time when we were at your place, we were trying to
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  record with two microphones in one room and it was a disaster.
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  So we're trying to Different approach this time.
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  Yeah, we're here to talk about us having seen robe one in
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  person together at the IMAX yesterday.
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  It was so good. I'm kind of still not over it.
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  I know I spent like all night last night.
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  Looking up, animated gifts. Yeah, because I love it so much.
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  My love for those characters have been rekindled.
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  I've seen it. How many times?
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  I know it never gets old. It never gets old and it never.
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  Ooh, fails to hurt. No.
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  Oh my God! I start salute.
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  You you cried more than me. I started to like get teary-eyed
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  at the beginning. I was like not calm down.
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  Yeah, I just let it happen then it's always around where cheer
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  it. Yeah dies.
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  Then I cry basically from there, all the way to the end of the
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  movie and during the credits II, love everyone.
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  And we have said probably a dozen times between yesterday
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  and today, how they all. To better because yes, what a
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  bunch of Heroes they really are. Yeah.
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  So every single one of them was selfless and trying to serve a
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  higher purpose and it just hurts so much.
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  They tried to write their own wrongs to MMM.
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  Yeah. That whole scene when Cassie and
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  meets Jin after she tries to get the Rebellion to help and they
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  won't. And she goes out into the hangar
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  and castings there with all the soldiers.
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  I wanna see the whole movie. Like, seeing it on a big screen.
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  Gave me a new perspective. T''v and that scene in
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  particular. I was like wow that because now
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  we know what they endured short coming up.
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  Hmm. Like added more weight to that
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  scene seeing it on the big screen I saw stuff.
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  I never really saw before I heard things I never heard
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  before. It was a really fun to get to do
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  it with you with you. I know.
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  And I've been here for several days and it's been really nice
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  time. I'm glad that was that was like
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  a dream. Yeah.
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  Because you and I have never seen a Star Wars movie together
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  in the theater theaters and now. Make no mistake.
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  We have seen Rogue one before when it was originally released
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  in the theaters. But we didn't know what we know
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  now. No.
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  Do we even know each other? When it first came out, I don't
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  see. You don't think so think so, cuz
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  it was like, what was it 2016? When the yes came out?
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  Yeah, we may 2017. Yeah, we started talking after
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  it. Yeah, yeah.
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  Mmm. That's so it's kind of Full
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  Circle honestly other than like maybe Empire Strikes Back, this
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  would be the movie. I want to see with you in the
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  theater because I Love this movie so much.
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  It's possibly. I mean obviously original
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  trilogy is my favorite but I would say Empire Strikes Back.
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  And then Rogue one. Probably my favorite top too.
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  Yeah. I'm pretty close to that.
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  I Love A New Hope. Also I'm partial to A New Hope.
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  Yeah. I was going to say because it's
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  the movie that got me. Right?
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  The beginning of everything. So yeah but and I love Return of
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  the Jedi but like it's more childish.
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  Like it's fun because I loved it as a kid.
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  Rogue one is not. Listen.
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  Oh it's happened to all my adult feelings of pain and loss and
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  sacrifice and like setting aside your own personal well-being and
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  interest for the greater good. There was a moment at the end
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  where I was like if I don't rein this in I'm gonna do the like
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  ugly cry, I did the ugly cry, I make no apologies.
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  We sent a video to our patrons of what we look like.
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  Before and after yeah it was a swollen red disgusting mess
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  afterwards so funny Leann got up and went to the bathroom and
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  came back with a roll of toilet paper because we were both
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  crying. Well, the luxury of knowing this
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  movie. So well, is that I knew, which
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  part I could sneak away for like, four minutes and come back
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  and not miss anything. Technically and there just was
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  this small, almost empty roll. And I think, you know what, I'm
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  going to take apart this dispenser, take take the role,
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  it was good because As I needed it, I noticed blowing was a
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  necessary Thing by the editor brought tissues to know what?
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  We were thinking to go to that movie with that's issues.
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  It's not like we haven't seen it 10,000 times.
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  It still has a good effect. Yeah, it's really good.
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  The things that you notice that you don't notice, just on a
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  small screen and the sound in an IMAX theater.
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  Cannot be beat. Everyone knows this.
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  Yes. But we haven't even talked about
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  the And or preview, oh, yeah. Because they can't, that happen
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  first. I'm glad we weren't late because
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  we're wondering on the way there.
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  Would it be at the beginning or the end, they shut it before and
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  it was fucking amazing. I it was, we're not going to
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  give anything away, but it starts with like a conversation
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  and then it goes right into. Yeah.
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  Ah, seen it extended scene. Yeah.
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  And the quality of what we saw. You said it better than
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  anything. We've seen any show to date and
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  that includes. Beloved Kenobi show.
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  It's true. Just in that one scene and like
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  I we loved the cannoli show. Yeah.
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  But I guess this show is not filmed on the volume that big
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  Sound Stage. They actually filmed a lot more
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  on location and it shows plus the actors are just fucking
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  good. This is a call out to Diego
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  Luna. You are beloved.
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  Yes. We love your character and we
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  are excited to see he's excited which makes Ice excited.
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  The little conversation like where he speaks at the beginning
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  a little bit. He's like swiveling in his chair
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  like an excited. Child like it was really cute so
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  cute and he's so passionate about it.
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  So I loved what he was saying that.
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  It's kind of like the story of an immigrant a story of
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  Revolution and they like committed to that idea and just
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  brought that person and they said in the interview and you
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  and I felt you next to me, go see where he was saying it
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  because it was him and Tony Tony Gilroy, right?
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  That's a relief. They were saying that it's Star
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  Wars. And this the thing about these
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  movies is that it's about the character and character
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  development and they're like, there is a certain expectation
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  that there will be a certain level of action.
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  But to them, the character development was what was so
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  important and you and I both really yes.
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  Yes, thank you precisely So now it's guaranteed to be wonderful
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  because this is all we ask for, is fans.
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  Yeah, I'm just that seeing the acting their eyes, everything.
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  Oh my god, look Lut cars guard is a great actor.
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  Also, I love his voice in her so much.
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  Yeah, there's acting that goes on in the face, there's acting
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  that goes on in the voice and then there's the action.
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  Yeah. And it's all really good and I'm
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  literally getting greased by know.
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  It's, I'm I think this is the sleeper series.
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  Hmm. That's gonna blow people away.
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  Yeah, unexpected. And I could not be happier for
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  Diego, Luna and Company. Yes.
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  Mmm. Because they can go a lot of
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  places with this story. It is the beginning of the
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  Rebellion. They have so much more latitude,
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  I think than the Obi Wan show. There's so much expectation on
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  that show and like, anybody who's seen the prequels or the
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  original trilogy is going to have opinions.
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  How that plot should unfold with hand or they can tell whatever
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  story they want and tie it in and it just has so much
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  potential and I think it's kind of nice.
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  Diego Luna has even said in some interviews that it's one of the
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  first times. He's doing a movie that like
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  they don't have to do press and promote and be like, oh, I hope
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  somebody watches it. They know they're gonna have an
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  audience already and they kind of more forgiveness.
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  I would say in the kind of Storytelling they want to
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  pursue, I'm I'm just so excited because I really trust Diego.
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  Luna and Tony Gilroy our executive producers and Tony
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  Gilroy wrote it. Hmm.
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  And so I just really trust them at especially after re-watching,
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  Rogue one. Yeah, they get it.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  And I think it's going to translate very well and I always
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  like when there's the anchor of, we know what happens so they can
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  build a story towards the point that we already know.
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  So there's less chance to like Veer off course.
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  And yes, I'm not even unexpected but unnecessary be or something
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  that just deviates. Totally from a character.
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  We know where the character ends up in what he does.
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  Yeah, so they can build properly towards getting to that point.
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  Yes, which is going to make Rogue one even better, which it
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  doesn't even need so good as it is.
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  Well, that's why the original movies were so good.
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  Because George, Lucas knew from the beginning, what he was doing
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  and that's why this equals for a little bit, you know, shitting
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  the bed, everything, And that disgusting phrase?
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  Well, I mean, they clearly didn't have an end point.
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  They were working towards. So each movie was kind of like
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  pulling the characters and opposite directions until they
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  settled on this one, like Hail Mary at the end and it shows
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  when you don't have the ending figured out.
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  Yeah, it's I'm I'm looking forward to it yesterday.
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  Kind of proved that, I'm all-in. Yeah, Sam, I've been excited
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  about this show because I loved Rogue one so much but now I'm
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  like I can't wait. I'm so excited about this one.
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  Like maybe more so than the Kenobi show because I was more
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  afraid. It will.
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  There no be show. I totally get that because oh
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  don't fuck that up, right? Exact this be kind of like you
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  said, we have more wiggle room almost.
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  There's more forgiveness. Maybe, I don't know.
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  I just think when you have more episodes and more money coming
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  from a different pot, if you will sure you have more freedom
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  to To ensure a better product. I think it is.
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  And like you've said, in the past, Kenobi was a
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  self-contained entity. It didn't stray too much, even
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  though maybe it should have like with the mentioning of Ahsoka,
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  you know. Just right just a mention she
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  was kind of integral in the whole thing but God forbid a
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  little to contain but this is a World building.
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  We're going to get the Rebellion.
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  So things were looking forward. You that we hope we see, we kind
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  of loosely discussed bail. So nice to see him.
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  We saw him in Rogue one yesterday after seeing him in
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  the Kenobi show and we still our bail lovers promoters shippers.
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  It makes me want to cry when I see him.
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  Now it's awful, especially when you see him in Rogue one and
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  he's leaving to go back to Alderaan and he says, I would
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  trust her with my life. It's like what this is like I
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  think he I have to believe that you know, when alderon said it's
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  farewell that somewhere and you know, Bales heart, he knew Leo
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  was okay. I mean, it happened so fast.
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  No one's thinking anything, but in my head, yeah, bail new.
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  Okay, Leah's got this anyway. So I mean, the, the Kenobi show,
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  prove that he really understood her and, like, really trusted
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  her to be her own person. So, I'm sure he.
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  And at this point, he knew he was putting her In Harm's Way.
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  Do that to take the tapes, you know, to fetch Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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  Like he clearly knew she would handle, it just fine, and it's
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  great to see all of that. Hmm, after seeing the Kenobi
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  show? Yeah, we got that little bit
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  more. It does, it adds more to every
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  single thing? You watch now, your friend, the
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  Jedi, and it's just like, we know what happens.
• 12:33
  Now, there's the bit more back story with bail and yeah, and
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  Obi-Wan and it's, it's cool. I like it.
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  It's really cool. Well, I can terribly sad shit.
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  Always, if you need to purge and have a good cry, Rogue one is a
• 12:50
  good way to just do that. That's it.
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  Get it out and bring your toilet paper.
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  Also, our boy. K2s 000 is a delight.
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  I love him so much. Every single line of his is just
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  like, I'm waiting for it because I love it and Little shift of
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  his eyes. Yes.
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  I kind of like never really registered that until we saw it
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  on the big screen. Big.
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  Yeah. He's got a little wiggle of his
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  eyes. She's a little white.
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  It's like, it looks like he's thinking which of course he's a
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  Droid. So it's a weird way of making
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  them look more human, but oh my God, I love him, his awkward
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  body, which I love so much. It's so awkward who designed
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  that Droid, it gives them an A plus the hands.
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  He lives. Chop his hands in his hands are
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  like, half the size of his arm and they hang down, well below
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  his knees, which is legs are too long.
• 13:48
  I mean, the whole thing is kind of crazy, but good, what kind of
• 13:53
  matches like his gangly Beast? Brain all?
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  Yes. Because like the scene where he
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  slaps get skin, he's like I'm taking the prisoners to imprison
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  them in the prison. That's a fresh one so funny it's
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  good. I love seeing this Giant Beast
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  of a Droid not being able to think of things quickly.
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  It's right overwhelmed by that's how I would be.
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  Yeah I relayed without a doubt I'm just not cool Under
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  Pressure. Also paging Hera syndulla no
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  paging Commander General General.
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  Scuse me Jesus. Can we get Hera in the and or
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  show? Please just as he's just a
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  smidge, they must know each other, right?
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  Some point. Come on the right there in the
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  same facility. I know the ghost is parked right
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  there, that's name of the ship. Yes ago.
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  See. It's like, wait a minute, ghost
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  crew. Yeah, that's what I was like.
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  That's why they're called that, right?
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  But my brain just kind of like, had a moment.
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  Yeah. You know what?
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  We thought of yesterday? I guess, I guess, I thought of
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  it and I didn't think of it. Before, or quite the same way is
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  that cheer? It is very much like Kanan when
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  Canaan loses his eyesight. Yes.
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  Hey, love him so much. Here it is.
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  Goddamn I, first of all, the performance, everyone knows it's
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  fantastic. Yeah, his acrobatics Donnie Yen
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  is amazing, what the fuck I would.
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  I'm always floored every time I see his like solo moments when
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  he's just fighting by himself. The way he handles that staff.
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  I think Ray could have really yeah.
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  Had he taught like Ray something?
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  Because we was already pretty good with the staff.
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  But could you imagine Ray at his level?
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  Nina was a mint or something? Like you know, that'd be so
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  cool. I like I remember the first time
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  I saw that in the theater I was like cheering, like screeching
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  in my seat, trying to like scream into my jacket, because I
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  was so excited because you never, you know, we had never
• 15:57
  seen anything like that in Star Wars before when they break.
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  The helmet and glass flies out of the Stormtroopers helmets.
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  I was like, this is what I want from Star Wars.
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  It's like the little details like that.
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  That make it more realistic because they couldn't do it in
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  the 70s. You know, they didn't have the
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  technology but now, oh my God. The way they had those little
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  details. And the sound of the force choke
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  guess where we've talked about another episode about sound
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  effects, where it sounds like, there's noise gets like sucked
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  out. I loved that and I like that
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  Vader. Gently and then increases it.
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  And Ben's performance, you know as chronic.
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  Yeah, it's kind of a subtle choke and then it he increases
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  the amount of Cho koj. You think you're like the blood
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  pouring through your ears you know pounding in your ears.
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  Let's talk about Ben mendelsohn because we fucking love him.
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  He's such a good actor and he's like strangely handsome.
• 16:51
  Hmm. And like, I don't know what it
• 16:53
  is about him, but I really like him.
• 16:56
  It's this like self-awareness. I think is a big part of a good.
• 16:59
  That's a good way to put it. If you see him interviewed ever,
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  he is Is centered and very sure of who he is, or at least he
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  doesn't care, maybe what other people think.
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  That's at least the vibe. I get seeing him interviewed,
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  and you see it in his performance.
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  He has this non self conscious performance, and I like that
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  about him a lot and he wears a cape, well, which is hard to do.
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  Why don't you carry natural? Black?
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  Capes are one thing, but a white Cape, right?
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  Which is an intelligence officer, right?
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  Yeah, I didn't he He's pretty fucking good, he's great.
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  I noticed yesterday, more than usual, the emphasis that they
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  have on building Vader's presence in the first scenes
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  that we see him not in the back to tank, but when he approaches,
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  chronic, there's a little bit of hesitation in chronics face
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  because he's so imposing fader. Yes.
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  And they show the shadow of his figure on the wall right before
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  they show him which I had never noticed before.
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  It's brilliant until we saw it on the big screen.
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  I mean there was a wow that's really imposing.
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  It's done Vader. Loves a fucking entrance.
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  What? Skywalker doesn't?
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  So no. The Beyonce Spotlight behind
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  him. My walks into the garage door.
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  Like I just wasn't it. He doesn't need a fan.
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  It does. He doesn't keep his own fan
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  pillows on its own. It's so funny.
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  Yeah. We don't have to talk about the
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  Holocene. Yes, we do.
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  I knew it was adorable. You moved forward?
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  To like the edge of your chair. Don't watch it.
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  Oh, so good didn't want to miss it.
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  And it's just so impactful on the big screen, you know, the
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  first time and only time I've seen Rogue one in theaters.
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  I had no idea that was coming, right?
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  None of us did, right? I was so overwhelmed when I saw
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  it the first time now, I was prepared and I said, okay, this
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  is everything I've ever wanted. I'm already emotional, I'm
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  already crying because it's like Ones.
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  Just died. Yeah and we're about to get
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  everyone in this hallway dead within minutes.
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  It's still terrifying. The amount of fear that comes
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  out of those actors in that hallway, there's nothing like
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  it. It's the best Vader in the maybe
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  ever. Yes.
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  Yes we do and then the life and the breathing and the light,
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  it's just perfection this movie. Just totally gets it gets it.
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  It's howling action, omage and it was the first time in a long
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  time. We saw live.
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  Action like droids instead of like green-screen droids and
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  shit like that. It was such a reference to the
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  original trilogy. And you can see how it's
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  starting to tie into that and they didn't so beautifully.
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  But then these little details like how they treated Vader and
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  how they edited the scene we've seen it.
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  How many times it always makes my blood pressure.
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  Go like through the fucking roof.
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  It is crazy. And honestly all the emotional
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  stuff that happens before that, huh?
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  Every time I watch it because it's so well done.
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  Like when It dies. Yeah.
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  And he stands up. You were saying yesterday?
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  He stands up and they kind of like take the music down and he
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  just holds his staff. And you can see he's making up
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  his mind and you're just like, no, don't do it.
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  But he's the only one who can do it.
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  He's the only one and he knows it.
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  And he does it. And he's calm about it.
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  He does it. And I do like cuz he's blind,
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  right? He couldn't immediately find the
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  lever. Yeah.
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  And it's one of those subtle things that they add that makes
• 20:25
  your heart pound just a little bit faster.
• 20:27
  Yeah. As you want them to find the
• 20:29
  thing and he finds it and he's so happy he does.
• 20:31
  Yeah, yeah. And then it's just like over,
• 20:34
  you know, it was his idea to make the character blind.
• 20:37
  It was Donnie Yen's idea idea. It's so smart and it adds so
• 20:40
  much like with his that fight scene earlier where they show
• 20:43
  him hearing like listening and here's my foot move and the turn
• 20:47
  of the head and I love it and then it love when castings like
• 20:50
  see a Jedi. I mean, I was insane.
• 20:54
  But thing is me. He would have been.
• 20:56
  Yeah, I just love his faith to in the forest.
• 21:00
  It's very calming. It's very Soothing and he's such
• 21:03
  a centered being in the middle of all this chaos and I love the
• 21:07
  humor but between him and yeah. What's the other characters
• 21:11
  named best between him and bass? Bass bass, whatever they're
• 21:15
  adorable and cheer, it inspires him all the way to the end and I
• 21:20
  think that's beautiful. Yeah, all of these characters,
• 21:22
  this is why we love it again characters.
• 21:25
  They all teach each other something very crucial even at
• 21:29
  this stage in their life, even before they All die.
• 21:32
  Yeah, doing it. I think it's a great example
• 21:36
  that it's never ever too late in life, to do something better, to
• 21:40
  learn something to do something. Selfless to change yourself, you
• 21:44
  know. Yeah.
• 21:45
  Jin didn't believe at all. She's very, you know, either
• 21:49
  borderline realist. / pessimist about life.
• 21:53
  Yeah, and reasonably. So exactly with good reason.
• 21:57
  But look at what happened when you believe in something and she
• 22:01
  believed in the She had that kyber Crystal, which I do love
• 22:03
  that Shear it since tits. I love that scene calls her out
• 22:06
  right there in the street. Like I do kind of love how they
• 22:09
  all just come together haphazardly and I, you know, I
• 22:11
  think it's great. It's so good and it's not
• 22:14
  forced. And I think that has to do with
• 22:16
  the filmmaking because you have to maneuver your characters into
• 22:19
  position and get them all as a group and then get them to work
• 22:21
  together that can be really cheesy.
• 22:23
  And I think this group of actors and then with the director and
• 22:28
  the good screenplay. It's so perfect.
• 22:32
  And they all made a choice to be together in the end.
• 22:34
  Yes. And that's what I love.
• 22:36
  Each character goes to. You were just talking about gin
• 22:39
  which is funny because I had just been having that thought I
• 22:41
  was gonna say that next. So you go spaced winning me.
• 22:44
  Like it was fantastic because she has the change of heart.
• 22:47
  She tells saw gerrera like it's not a problem seeing the Empire
• 22:50
  flag if you don't look up. Yeah, and then kerosene has the
• 22:53
  same thing where he is being told over and over throughout
• 22:57
  the whole movie that his job is not actually to get Galen are
• 23:01
  It's to kill him and you can see in his performance and Diego
• 23:05
  Luna's eyes, he's just so disappointed.
• 23:07
  Every time that order is reinforced and then he finally
• 23:11
  makes a decision that he's not going to do it and that's where
• 23:14
  his character has the turn it. So by the end they've and Bodie
• 23:17
  Brooke. Yes.
• 23:18
  Also see his so nervous the whole time and he just keeps
• 23:23
  despite his fear making that decision, to do the right thing.
• 23:26
  But Galen told him, you can make better for yourself.
• 23:29
  You can do better. Yeah.
• 23:30
  And he made The choice and it all goes back to gal.
• 23:33
  Gal. Stood in front of those fine men
• 23:36
  that he worked with, he knew they were good man.
• 23:39
  He couldn't let them be executed even though.
• 23:41
  Yeah. It was a slap in the fucking
• 23:43
  face that they were. Anyway.
• 23:45
  Yeah and I want to then point out I fucking love Mads
• 23:50
  Mikkelsen. Absolutely.
• 23:52
  I have loved him since this horrible movie called King
• 23:55
  Arthur came out. It was like a so long ago.
• 24:01
  It was probably in high school, I think when I came out and
• 24:04
  instantly his character doesn't even speak, I'd like that's my
• 24:07
  favorite character and it's because he it's him, it's his
• 24:11
  presence. And the way he performs is just
• 24:14
  so captivating in everything I've ever seen him in.
• 24:18
  Well, the Mickelson's have that right?
• 24:20
  Like his brother is kind of what's his name?
• 24:23
  Wrong Lars. Yeah.
• 24:24
  Sorry, I don't know. Your writing.
• 24:26
  Sorry, I went right for the character is hoping his throb.
• 24:31
  This man is throbbing through and through, so I loved it,
• 24:36
  like, the Ron and gay lenders are really brothers.
• 24:39
  Yes. Yes, it makes me happy and it's
• 24:42
  appropriate and mads is he has that subtle facial acting?
• 24:47
  Yes, he's so talented and I think he's very handsome.
• 24:51
  I know that one of our followers also agrees with me.
• 24:54
  Well, we tend to like, we acknowledge the handsome ones
• 24:57
  that aren't conventionally handsome.
• 24:59
  I think I don't know about you, but I get really bored with
• 25:02
  American sense of beauty. Chris Evans, I'm not bored by
• 25:07
  his Beauty but it's like, yes, he's handsome but I get tired of
• 25:10
  that same like Cookie Cutter. Yeah.
• 25:12
  And that's why I find people like like Diego, Luna and Mads
• 25:15
  Mikkelsen of Ben mendelsohn. Like they're all like, Gary
• 25:18
  Sinise I love carries me and Lauren love.
• 25:20
  Gary Sinise, Gary, Sinise to do ever hear this?
• 25:24
  I love you. We love you.
• 25:25
  Love you forever. It's so funny because when we
• 25:27
  both first realize that we both had an odd crush on Gary Sinise,
• 25:33
  look, watch Of Mice and Men and tell me you're feel full, but,
• 25:38
  yeah, it's way more interesting. Yes.
• 25:40
  It's just, yeah, it's more about like there's something going on
• 25:43
  behind the looks, and I think that makes somebody very
• 25:48
  captivating. Well, I don't know.
• 25:50
  Anyone any Stephen King fans out there that has watched the
• 25:55
  miniseries. The Outsider I believe.
• 25:57
  It's on HBO HBO Max something like that.
• 26:00
  Ben mendelsohn plays, the main character who's a cop, who's a
• 26:03
  diss additional disillusioned cop and it's supernatural.
• 26:07
  It's Stephen King. It's very.
• 26:09
  I read the book. The book is excellent.
• 26:11
  I was very pleased to see that Ben was going to play the cop.
• 26:14
  Yeah and he did a fantastic job but that made me really fall for
• 26:19
  him like His non-conventional handsome.
• 26:22
  Yeah. Mmm.
• 26:23
  I remember you texting me when you were watching it?
• 26:26
  Yeah. Because it was.
• 26:26
  Yes. They just certain people like
• 26:29
  Mets. Mickelson is the same.
• 26:30
  Yes, in Hannibal. Is that what the show is?
• 26:33
  Oh, yes. Yes, show is terrifying.
• 26:36
  If I guess what he and they joke about it in the production like
• 26:41
  that, it's a dark comedy. And that he is a psychopath.
• 26:45
  So that the fact that he has empathy for character wants the
• 26:48
  character to like him is unrealistic, they say That
• 26:51
  they're breaking rules, but he's so charming.
• 26:54
  And like, that's the whole point that is the is that he wears
• 26:58
  these very exotic suits and he's very cultured and he's very
• 27:03
  seductive. Even when he's just talking to
• 27:05
  someone casually, those are the most terrifying Killers, right?
• 27:09
  And like the fact that he can be both sides like that.
• 27:12
  The actor can portray both sides.
• 27:13
  I'm sorry. Are you describing thrawn exotic
• 27:19
  suits? He's very cultured, he plays a
• 27:23
  character like that on Sherlock Lars Lars Mikkelsen plays a
• 27:26
  really creepy creepy creepy characters and it just, you
• 27:32
  know, it's very thrawn, but if he was living in Britain, yes, I
• 27:37
  think Ron might live in Britain as it seems like that he been on
• 27:40
  Earth, but have had an ice castle somewhere.
• 27:43
  Someone posted a video of George, Lucas saying that he
• 27:46
  gets to know cultures through their art and then they were
• 27:49
  like, does that mean George Lucas?
• 27:52
  It's like oh shit. Kind of seems like I like a
• 27:54
  young a young version of him when he was very young.
• 27:57
  So it was like didn't face thrown off himself possibly.
• 28:01
  Hmm. Don't know.
• 28:03
  Hmm. I like the Ron anyway what do
• 28:05
  we? I don't know.
• 28:06
  We've Sidetrack as we as we normally do Mads Mikkelsen blah
• 28:10
  blah blah yeah bro one yeah I love them all.
• 28:14
  Okay, we have to talk about the scene on the beach because also
• 28:18
  do we yes because I of it with like to possibly one of my
• 28:23
  favorite scenes and all Cinema. It's beautiful and terrifying so
• 28:29
  gut-wrenching and it's the actors it is.
• 28:32
  It absolutely is. The, the it's beautiful in like
• 28:37
  the most terrifying way. Mmm, the end is coming and it's
• 28:42
  almost like a sunrise. Yeah.
• 28:45
  It's a beautiful looking. It's like a nuclear shock.
• 28:48
  What is? And the shot.
• 28:50
  Intermingled with how they're looking at it from space.
• 28:53
  Like up above us, May the force be with you, you know, how then
• 28:57
  they cut. That's the part that really gets
• 29:01
  me because it's like they're up there and they can't do a thing.
• 29:04
  They just have to stand by and watch and they're down there and
• 29:07
  they can't do a thing. And it's I shook my head so many
• 29:11
  times because fuck the Empire, right?
• 29:15
  How horrific was the Death Star, right?
• 29:18
  And then they destroy Jetta City and They say oh how beautiful?
• 29:21
  Yeah well that went well fucking disgusting.
• 29:24
  Yeah. Anyway it's the acting the
• 29:28
  silence. Yeah.
• 29:30
  Especially though when casting says your father what a what a
• 29:34
  nice final thing to I just did the actors have such good
• 29:39
  chemistry with each other and like their The Arc of their,
• 29:43
  don't know, relationship friendship, whatever you want to
• 29:46
  call it. It's really fun to watch because
• 29:49
  they're kind of similar. Hair is like very damaged,
• 29:52
  people who could be amazing, honorable people, but they're
• 29:56
  just in the muck, you know, doing the work.
• 29:59
  And as they kind of work together, they start to realize,
• 30:02
  like we could be better like they're foils for each other
• 30:05
  where they keep holding each other accountable.
• 30:08
  Yeah. Like when Cassie, and was
• 30:09
  supposed to execute her father and she's talking to him in the
• 30:12
  ship and she's like, you put him in danger.
• 30:14
  He's dead because of you and he says, I don't have to explain
• 30:17
  myself to you. I loved that scene because Was
• 30:20
  he is wrong but he's doing his best.
• 30:23
  You know. He's trying to follow orders,
• 30:25
  raised being pulled in all these different directions.
• 30:27
  Yeah. And then to have them, get all
• 30:29
  the way to the the tower. Well when they're in the
• 30:32
  elevator and they're looking at each other, there's a need.
• 30:35
  Yes they realized there's a need there.
• 30:38
  That's how I interpret that scene there.
• 30:40
  Just in it together till the end like this is it like they know
• 30:44
  it's the end and they just have each other and that's it.
• 30:47
  So the and it's like a beautiful thing.
• 30:50
  I don't know. God, their chemistry together
• 30:51
  with are looking at each other. And then when they hug on the
• 30:54
  beach, they get consumed by the white light the way she looks
• 30:59
  like I'm melting. No, it's true.
• 31:06
  It's too much. It's like perfectly done.
• 31:08
  It's so over-the-top. But it's so subtle at the same
• 31:11
  time, it's the focus of the camera work on their eyes.
• 31:15
  Yeah. Because the eyes are the window
• 31:17
  to the soul. They don't have to say anything.
• 31:19
  Yeah. And the The fact that Cassie ins
• 31:21
  last words were a comfort to Jin.
• 31:25
  What a wonderful wrap up. Yeah.
• 31:28
  For his, I mean, I'm going to be thinking of this when we see the
• 31:32
  the show. Yeah, same.
• 31:34
  And we talked about it in the car yesterday, how his eyes
• 31:36
  State? Yeah, and right up until the
• 31:39
  end, and he has this like last look of kind of fear, which we
• 31:42
  were saying, how, like, more effective that is than if
• 31:44
  someone was like, squeezing their eyes shut.
• 31:46
  Yeah. I mean, it's human.
• 31:49
  Yeah. Even if you're there with
• 31:50
  Someone and, you know, and you're okay with it, you're
• 31:53
  still going to have a flash of fear.
• 31:54
  Your body is designed to preserve itself and when it
• 31:57
  can't you're going to be afraid. Yeah, I think it's great that
• 32:00
  they left that in and the way they're like so wrapped around
• 32:03
  each other desperate. Yeah, there is a really fun fan
• 32:07
  Theory which, of course, I'm sure it's not real.
• 32:09
  But I like the idea of it that Jin's Kyra crystal is between
• 32:13
  them. Oh my God.
• 32:15
  I never thought of that. Yeah, and so like when they
• 32:17
  died, maybe they were like protected together.
• 32:20
  Some Ahow by that. And I was like, wow, I like that
• 32:22
  idea. But they could have like joined
• 32:25
  the force together somehow Lord. I have never heard this in.
• 32:28
  This is amazing. I loved the idea.
• 32:31
  God, can we make it Canon? I need it as a comfort.
• 32:36
  You just did. I'm putting my stamp on it.
• 32:40
  My Jaws on the floor, isn't it? Fun idea what's not fun?
• 32:46
  It's less painful. It's painful like eases the pain
• 32:49
  of the I guess it's like a something who cling to I think,
• 32:54
  yes. I think that the force Works in
• 32:57
  very mysterious and yet clear-cut ways, right?
• 33:01
  And I would like to think that it in that moment perhaps it was
• 33:06
  quick. Obviously, it was quick.
• 33:07
  Yeah, I like that. They didn't suffer, but their
• 33:10
  souls, perhaps were preserved. Yeah.
• 33:13
  In some, I mean, shit. And they go straight to Leia.
• 33:19
  They will always Be preserved in whatever happens after that.
• 33:24
  Like, oh my God too. And that with Leia actually got
• 33:28
  me super emotional this time. Yes.
• 33:30
  Because Carrie Fisher's passed away.
• 33:31
  Yeah. And she hadn't when the show
• 33:33
  came or the movie came out and so now to like see her as young
• 33:38
  way of Full Circle. I mean, I know she wasn't the
• 33:40
  one performing, it doesn't matter like layaway, give her
• 33:43
  stamp of approval. She said go for it.
• 33:45
  Yes. Recreate me as a young,
• 33:47
  beautiful lady. Again, I think she said like
• 33:49
  make it good. Like you're gonna do it.
• 33:51
  Make it good. We love you Carrie.
• 33:53
  God carry on. I love her so much.
• 33:55
  Yeah, that made me emotional and then to know I give you ever
• 33:59
  jump from Rogue one right into a new hope.
• 34:01
  It's like the energy level at the end of Rogue one going into
• 34:05
  a new home but they don't like really tired because Vader's
• 34:09
  just not at that moment. He's yes, that the ship got
• 34:13
  away. Yeah he needed to be, I really
• 34:17
  do love the cape flutter in the wind and space.
• 34:20
  Ace. But no there's not like there's
• 34:23
  a bigger so it's it's self-generated Cape flutter from
• 34:26
  his fucking anger. That's my head can in the force
• 34:30
  is making it look like he's so angry that it has to come out in
• 34:33
  like a vent from his suit and that's what's causing the cape
• 34:37
  flutter. I don't care if it's a film
• 34:39
  mistake. It's my suit is overheating us
• 34:43
  his fucking anger. Oh that's great.
• 34:46
  Just think Anakin's in their fucking pissed seething.
• 34:51
  Cape flutters, because of it and the end, that's it.
• 35:02
  Alright, the obvious question this week is, did you get a
• 35:05
  chance to go see Rogue one re released in theaters?
• 35:09
  And what did you think of the and or preview?
• 35:12
  We got to node. Are you excited?
• 35:15
  Did you love it? It's you steal toilet paper from
• 35:17
  the bathroom. Are you a thief at any point?
• 35:24
  We'd love to know. Okay, next week, we have a very
• 35:27
  special episode, we are going to have some friends on.
• 35:30
  We are going to have the host of conversations.
• 35:33
  Another Star Wars podcast on our show, they had us on their show
• 35:36
  like a year ago, and we're finally getting our schedules
• 35:40
  together. Yes.
• 35:41
  And we're going to have them on. I have a conversation about
• 35:43
  Kenobi and, and, or and just laugh a lot.
• 35:46
  Yes. These guys are Charles and Pat
• 35:49
  are hilarious and Wonderful and they do a damn good Kenobi
• 35:54
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• 36:01
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