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1067 - Pop and Bravo with Christian Gray Snow · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday, you guys,
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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving Thursday. Hey, I've got a great guests Christian Grace.
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Speaker 1: Now you know him from his amazing Instagram and you
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Speaker 1: know him from his podcast with Vicky My friend, My
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Speaker 1: Soul name my podcast?
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Speaker 2: Hey, Hi, how are you?
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Speaker 1: Who came up with the name of that podcast?
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Speaker 3: You want to know who came up with it? Was
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Speaker 3: my best friend Tricia. She has actually her name is
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Speaker 3: Tricia Dawson. I still call her Tricia Young because that's
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Speaker 3: what her name was when I met her in college,
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Speaker 3: her maiden name. But yeah, she's one of my best friends,
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Speaker 3: and she's actually helped us make a few decisions regarding
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Speaker 3: the podcast. She gave suggestions for some of our Bravo
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Speaker 3: converts that ended up being like the third best seller
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Speaker 3: that we had.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she helped.
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Speaker 3: She sent a list of podcast names whenever Vicky and
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Speaker 3: I decided to do this, And as soon as I
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Speaker 3: read this one out to Vicky, she was like, boom, stop,
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Speaker 3: that's it. I was like, okay, cool. So it's kind
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Speaker 3: of special that she was involved in that.
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Speaker 1: You know, I bought the Bravo con bag that says
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Speaker 1: Do you work? Do you work? Do you work?
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Speaker 2: Hey? Well that that was our number one seller.
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Speaker 1: That's what I bought.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And do you know I thought that was going
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Speaker 2: to be one that people didn't care about for some reason.
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Speaker 1: No, it's hilarious. It's hilarious. It's hilarious because that's Vicky's
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Speaker 1: whole thing. Do you work?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I have to tell you that Vicky went on Carlos
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Speaker 1: King's podcast a few weeks ago to talk about the
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Speaker 1: Windy Ocepho insurance scam, and I was like, Wow, Carlos King,
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Speaker 1: that's genius to have Vicky come on to talk about
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Speaker 1: an insurance scam, because who would know besides the Queen
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Speaker 1: of insurance, you know, Oh for sure.
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Speaker 3: And she obviously, of course has strong and I has
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Speaker 3: always had strong feelings about I think putting all your
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Speaker 3: eggs in the Housewives basket and the Bravo basket, in
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Speaker 3: the reality television basket honestly and really has a hard
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Speaker 3: time I think not getting frustrated with people that you know,
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Speaker 3: use this as kind of something to lean on rather
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Speaker 3: than as like a launching pad to do even more
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Speaker 3: and make it even into even more. And also too,
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Speaker 3: I mean if you think about it, it is. It
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Speaker 3: is unfortunate and disappointing. Like there are people who, given
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Speaker 3: an opportunity like this, be it financial or you know,
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Speaker 3: whether they're business wise whatever, would give anything for it.
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Speaker 3: And it's just so disappointing to know that even some
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Speaker 3: of the people that we love on these shows, given
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Speaker 3: the opportunity, really just went about it all the wrong,
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Speaker 3: wrong way.
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Speaker 1: You know, it is so upsetting. Okay, now I have
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Speaker 1: a question for you. Now you I'm looking at you,
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Speaker 1: but you're looking at your computer. So I have a question.
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Speaker 1: Do you have two cameras?
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Speaker 2: My webcam has mounted back there?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, just making sure because I was like,
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Speaker 1: it's like when you're looking somebody with a wonky I
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Speaker 1: and you're like, are you looking at me? Are you
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Speaker 1: looking over there?
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Speaker 2: I don't know everything, Okay, I can see it all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, back to Vicky. So so let's talk about
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Speaker 1: the let's talk about the Esephos and the whole money
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Speaker 1: sealing of it all. So it did come out this
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Speaker 1: week or last week? I mean what is time? We
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Speaker 1: were both at Bravo conso I don't know where I am.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what day is time zone. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But she came out and said that the report that
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Speaker 1: they had used all these aliases for these credit cards
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Speaker 1: was not true. So where did that information come from?
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Speaker 1: If it's not true?
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Speaker 3: And I mean, listen, I have no expertise insight. I
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Speaker 3: barely remember my old social Security number, Okay, right, And
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Speaker 3: I'm being honest. I forty names, and I don't know
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Speaker 3: if they put like a I don't know if they
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Speaker 3: used one name like multiple times, you know, and I
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Speaker 3: don't know. But to deny that, my whole thing is
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Speaker 3: like you you have a you better have like a
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Speaker 3: huge victory ahead of you.
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Speaker 2: Because they too deny something like that is like.
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Speaker 3: You are getting ready to literally you're going to have
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Speaker 3: the ability to take down an entire legal system that
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Speaker 3: has wrongfully come for you.
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Speaker 2: And if that is the case, then I hope that
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Speaker 2: by all means do it. It's it's not like.
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Speaker 3: A like it's not like the reports were old. They
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Speaker 3: even had like two accounts where they tried this or
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Speaker 3: something like this like forty and I can't remember was
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Speaker 3: it exactly forty or over forty.
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Speaker 1: Over forty, So I don't know, Yeah, forty one, I
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Speaker 1: don't know you know.
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Speaker 3: And I know that they've said things too, like there
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Speaker 3: was something floating out there and I don't know if
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Speaker 3: this was actually, you know, legitimately from a statement of
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Speaker 3: theirs or not, but there was something about using different
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Speaker 3: names because they were public you know, public figures and
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Speaker 3: things like that, and so okay, but the financial part
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Speaker 3: of it, the forty different names and stuff like even
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Speaker 3: if those were what LLCs, even if those were businesses,
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Speaker 3: even if.
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Speaker 2: Those were I don't I don't know even.
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Speaker 3: If to me, that's just a big, big accusation to
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Speaker 3: make from these you know, financial government officials who have
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Speaker 3: spent time researching this and investigating this. And this is
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Speaker 3: what got me when I when all this started and
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Speaker 3: the police report finally came with it came out in
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Speaker 3: the first I did, and I was reading it because
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Speaker 3: it was they were onto them before Whitney and Eddie
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Speaker 3: had even an inkling of a clue, and they were
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Speaker 3: onto them from the night that they reported it, the
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Speaker 3: night they called on, the cops were in the house,
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Speaker 3: and before I think within a few minutes, the cops
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Speaker 3: are like, well this is a bogus.
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Speaker 1: They're nobody broke into this house.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you read it, it was like, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: but like I would have never thought about it the
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Speaker 2: way that they did.
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Speaker 3: They said that it made it look like the the
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Speaker 3: entry was on the second floor, yet there was there
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Speaker 3: was nothing there like a ladder or anything. So if
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Speaker 3: they'd used something to get up there, that meant that
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Speaker 3: they took it with them. If I remember correctly, I
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Speaker 3: believe the glass was broken in the wrong way, which.
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Speaker 2: Shows that, you know.
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Speaker 3: But the thing is, so imagine this, like this is
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Speaker 3: how I look at it. Imagine this is all happening
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Speaker 3: in that moment Wendy and Eddie, you know, they have
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Speaker 3: to make that call, Oh my gosh, our home was,
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Speaker 3: you know, burglarized, and then the cops come, and I
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Speaker 3: imagine they're.
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Speaker 2: They're there, the kids are there.
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Speaker 3: You know, they're you're they're acting at this point, they're
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Speaker 3: faking it okay, and they have to it. I'm I'm
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Speaker 3: assuming they have to at some point or some level
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Speaker 3: believe that the cops are eating.
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Speaker 2: It up, because it was in the days. The next
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Speaker 2: day or a couple of days after that.
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Speaker 3: Is when all the insurance claims started to be filed,
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Speaker 3: so as they they clearly they thought that they had
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Speaker 3: made they had done a good job, but the cops
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Speaker 3: were like already thinking this is BS so can you
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Speaker 3: imagine And then let's look at the cops. They're thinking,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, these people faked this burglary. And then
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Speaker 3: in the next couple of days, then they start seeing
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Speaker 3: all these insurance claim starting to be right, and then
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Speaker 3: they start finding the emails about wanting to make sure
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Speaker 3: that they hit the maximum.
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Speaker 2: Stuff so much stupid. It's just so it's.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I hope for everything that's out there
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Speaker 3: that that that this is wrong and that they get
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Speaker 3: out of this.
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Speaker 2: I genuinely do. I don't.
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Speaker 3: It's just the but when you look at the details
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Speaker 3: and like the events of that night and the way
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Speaker 3: that the cops were onto them from the moment that
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Speaker 3: they eat before they even filed the insurance stuff, which
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Speaker 3: is why they're technically going to jail or might go
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Speaker 3: to jail, you know, Like, I don't know, it's just
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Speaker 3: it's again, it's just very unfortunate. And I still stand
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Speaker 3: by the fact that I think last people in the
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Speaker 3: entire Brava roster, I would have ever I don't.
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Speaker 2: I just would have never ever thought.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, well, yeah. I mean she's she's built
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Speaker 1: her whole brand on all her degrees and how smart
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Speaker 1: she is and stuff and she is and all that's legit.
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Speaker 1: And Eddie is a legit lawyer who I believe went
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Speaker 1: to the mighty league school so he didn't like get
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Speaker 1: his law degree from the University of Phoenix. Like these
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Speaker 1: people are you know.
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Speaker 3: The Shane Simpsons school law as I call it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, these they're they're you know, legit, very
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Speaker 1: very very smart people. And for him as a lawyer
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Speaker 1: to put that in an email, to say, hey, go
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Speaker 1: in the closet, see if you can dig up a
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Speaker 1: you say, Laurent pair of socks from nineteen ninety two,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like what else can you find
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Speaker 1: in there? It's crazy.
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Speaker 3: I mean that too also, And can I be honest,
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Speaker 3: I think that even if I'm out here knowing that,
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Speaker 3: I'm like scheming a little bit. I'm like, well, let's
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Speaker 3: not be too obvious, like they maxed out everything.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, let's maybe you know, and oh
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Speaker 2: my god.
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Speaker 3: And then again when you look at it, it's some
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Speaker 3: of the things that they claimed were luxury items they'd
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Speaker 3: returned years ago.
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Speaker 1: I know that they still had the receipts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, who even thinks to I don't even know,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's just mind boggling, it really is.
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Speaker 1: I think what Vicky said was their main mistake was
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Speaker 1: was initially filing it with three different insurance companies. So
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Speaker 1: she was like, She's like, the insurance companies will double
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Speaker 1: check each other to make sure there hasn't already been
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Speaker 1: a claimed for this. So that's the first mistake. And
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Speaker 1: again he's a very educated lawyer, so he has to
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Speaker 1: know these things, you know.
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Speaker 3: I know they were taking risk and making they were
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Speaker 3: they were taking chances at some point for yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and they decided to do it.
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Speaker 1: And the police report to saying that the cops tried
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Speaker 1: to recreate how the burglars could have gotten in by
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Speaker 1: getting up on the second floor roof, which there was
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Speaker 1: no ladder, get on the second floor roof, and then
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Speaker 1: crawl into that window. And they said, you know, when
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Speaker 1: we did it, we tracked roof dust all over that bathroom,
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Speaker 1: but oh yeah, that bathroom. There was no roof dust
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom. And I was like, Wow, maybe let
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Speaker 1: this be.
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Speaker 3: A lesson out there ever needs to fake a burglar.
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Speaker 3: You got it's got details have to be involved. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's a detailed process. You got to have the roof dust,
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Speaker 3: the glass has got to be broken the wrong way.
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Speaker 2: We got to have a ladder left up out there.
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Speaker 2: I mean yeah. Also too, they live in a.
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Speaker 3: I think what seems to be like a big neighborho
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Speaker 3: hood and they oh my god. And I think it
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Speaker 3: was when she was on Gibson's podcast Give And I.
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Speaker 2: Believe this was, if I remember quickly.
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Speaker 3: I think it was during production or between production and
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Speaker 3: the season or something, because we hadn't heard about the
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Speaker 3: anything yet and he had mentioned he asked her.
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Speaker 2: About the burglary because honestly it was.
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Speaker 3: It was reported, and I remember she was She said
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Speaker 3: something about, like, yeah, and in our neighborhood, it was
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Speaker 3: the first like reported burglary in like thirty years or
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Speaker 3: like whatever. I was like, girl, like, because I was like,
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Speaker 3: you're just told on yourself right there, Like why would you?
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Speaker 2: Because she has to know that that's a lie obviously.
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Speaker 3: But my whole thing is, again, we're making decisions here,
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Speaker 3: so like it is not a smart decision to me
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Speaker 3: that I'm gonna be like it was the first robbery
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Speaker 3: in thirty years Like that to me is going to
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Speaker 3: be a suspicious fact, you know what I'm saying. So
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Speaker 3: I'm not even going to bring that up.
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Speaker 1: But like, we don't even know where this isighborhood is
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Speaker 1: because there's never been a break in in this neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: You got a robbery ware, you know. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but somebody tweeted that they quoted that little clip
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Speaker 3: of the interview.
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Speaker 2: They said, man, she was lying her ass off.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you see what it gives this like, gosh, you
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Speaker 1: know it gives him. Of course we know him and
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Speaker 1: he's such a sweet guy. And he's like, gosh, that
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Speaker 1: had to have been so traumatic for you, and I'm
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Speaker 1: so sorry, and he's trying to iss She was like,
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Speaker 1: it was awful for me. Children. I'm like, and your
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Speaker 1: children had to think that you were. They're like, listen,
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Speaker 1: if my house is burglarized when I was little, I
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Speaker 1: would be Terrib'd be sleeping with knives under my bed.
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Speaker 1: I would be so scared. So the kids are probably scared.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: My biggest fear to this day, I'm the thirty three
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Speaker 3: year old man, My biggest fear to this day is
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Speaker 3: someone breaking in my house because I watched the Elizabeth
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Speaker 3: Smart Story on Lifetime.
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Speaker 2: When I and when they remember when Yeah and whatever
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Speaker 2: broke into.
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Speaker 3: Her house, they shared, I will never forget the trailer
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Speaker 3: for that movie on Lifetime. It shows a clip of
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Speaker 3: him coming around the corner of the stairs with the flashlight. Traumatizing, horrifying,
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Speaker 3: and I've never gotten over that. So even, Okay, I
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Speaker 3: have a thing that just popped in my head too,
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Speaker 3: because Wendy said she's she's ready to share her side
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Speaker 3: of the story.
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Speaker 2: Things like that.
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Speaker 3: And let's look at the deret situation, which is people
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Speaker 3: have been screaming from the rooftops for years that they
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Speaker 3: think that reason Yeah, okay, yes, yes. Is there a
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Speaker 3: world where she could have been the derete in this
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Speaker 3: situation where she received.
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Speaker 1: She received the email from Eddie. Nope, she received the
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Speaker 1: email from Eddie, So no, she knew what.
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Speaker 2: Could she think?
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Speaker 3: That maybe they were just using their insurance claims, but
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Speaker 3: that the Berkeley was real.
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Speaker 1: Uh, she could have, but she was wearing some of
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Speaker 1: the items after they were stolen. So I love that
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Speaker 1: you're trying to I'm trying that you're trying to help Wendy.
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Speaker 1: But she and Eddie were using their brains for bad
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Speaker 1: and not good. Yeah, very upsetting. Now did you go
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Speaker 1: to the I did? I think you probably didn't because
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Speaker 1: you were working a lot. But I didn't go to
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Speaker 1: the panel where Krrie Hugor came out.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I wish I'd give it anything.
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Speaker 3: I heard that the I think it was the Potomac
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Speaker 3: panel was the best, the best of the weekend.
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Speaker 2: I didn't make it to any panels this weekend. That's how.
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Speaker 2: That's how busy I was. Yeah, yeah, I was like,
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Speaker 2: where do you know?
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Speaker 3: I didn't even My favorite thing at brabo Con every
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Speaker 3: year is the museum.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't even know there was a museum this year.
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Speaker 1: When you walked in, it was to the left and
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Speaker 1: you had to And I didn't like it over there
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Speaker 1: because people didn't see it.
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Speaker 2: I felt like it was hidden.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hidden, and there should have been a
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Speaker 1: sign like museum here. Because they had Gretchen's reunion dress
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Speaker 1: that she just wore that we just saw see.
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Speaker 3: Like that did that to me? Is like the museum.
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Speaker 3: I could spend days in there. I love shit like that.
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Speaker 1: It was and we had educated roll.
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Speaker 2: It was so good.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, do they have did they have Kyle's shirt from
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Speaker 3: like season one, the dinner scene, the dinner party from Hell.
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Speaker 1: I don't think so, because they did. I didn't see that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, she posted a couple of weeks ago, like a
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Speaker 3: month or two ago, and she said, anyone recognized this shirt?
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Speaker 2: It was a mirror picture.
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Speaker 3: And then the next slide was like a screenshot of
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Speaker 3: her for I think it was the dinner party from Hell.
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Speaker 2: And I responded and I said, is it going to
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Speaker 2: Bravo Kahn?
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Speaker 3: And I thought she said she winked or something like that,
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Speaker 3: So I thought that she was going to have something there.
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Speaker 2: I'm just now remembering. But who knows.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they maybe they take a lot of things in
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Speaker 3: for consideration and can only fit so many so much.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It also could have been further back, because again we
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Speaker 1: just kind of walked through the first little bit of it.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of crowded and it was I was like,
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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't like how it was set up
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Speaker 1: because last year they had it set up and it
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Speaker 1: was more moody and dark and you could really walk
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Speaker 1: through and this was just out and open and you
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Speaker 1: kind of like, what am I looking at? And oh,
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Speaker 1: I did see the scroll I did see, of course
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Speaker 1: Tarras breasting plant.
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Speaker 3: You know, those pants well traveled than I am. They've
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Speaker 3: been all over the country outside of.
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Speaker 1: Tam yeh yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, outside of Tamra's body.
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Speaker 1: They've been all over. And I just saw Gretchen's dress
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Speaker 1: that she just wore at this reunion, that hot pink
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Speaker 1: with like that corset, and I was like, and the
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Speaker 1: dress is like this big, and You're like, how can
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Speaker 1: a human fit in?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I look, I've said in person, it's been granted,
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Speaker 3: had been years.
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Speaker 2: I forgot how tiny she is. Like, she's like very
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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, yes, girl, yeah, drop the workout routine.
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Speaker 2: My god. You know.
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Speaker 1: Now. I did see you and Vicky at Bravo kN
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Speaker 1: You were in the booth and I spotted you, and
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Speaker 1: people were of course freaking out because Vicky was carrying
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Speaker 1: her oranges, and and I was like, I got to
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Speaker 1: get in there, like I got to get a picture
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Speaker 1: with Vicky. And you were so nice. You were like okay.
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Speaker 1: I told them like, I've got one person, and Vicky
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Speaker 1: looked and I think all the housewives when you meet them,
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Speaker 1: unless you're in a Bravo palooza and you have a
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Speaker 1: chance to really like chat. They all seem stunned. Like
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Speaker 1: I got a picture with Rachel Zoe and she seems stunned.
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Speaker 1: Every time you go to somebody, like I went up
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Speaker 1: to Chara stunned. Everybody seems stunned. And I'm like, this
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Speaker 1: is what you're here for. It's like day three, and
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Speaker 1: they every time you approach them, even if it's a
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Speaker 1: step in a reat, they seem stunned.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think it's just like it's I think
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Speaker 3: for as much as it's like sensory overload, I think.
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Speaker 2: For yes, it's very much that for them.
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Speaker 3: And like, I'll be totally honest, and this is this
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Speaker 3: sounds I feel like I hate even like when I've
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Speaker 3: told people of this before, I'm like, I promise this
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Speaker 3: is not like an asshole thing, but this is the
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Speaker 3: only thing I have to relate it to.
16:39
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, And that is so I didn't.
16:42
Speaker 3: Get to go to the first Bravocon, the little tiny one, right,
16:45
Speaker 3: the first one I didn't either was was Javits or
16:47
Speaker 3: whatever they call it. Me too, okay, had I it
16:53
Speaker 3: was my life mission to get there that year, right,
16:55
Speaker 3: and I just I wanted to.
16:56
Speaker 1: Go that's where I met you. By the way, that's
16:58
Speaker 1: where I met you in New York jobs because I
17:01
Speaker 1: saw you and somebody goes, that's Christian Grace. Sound was like, ah,
17:03
Speaker 1: I love him, and I ran up and then yeah,
17:05
Speaker 1: and a friendship was born there you go.
17:07
Speaker 3: Yep, I remember, and I just I don't know if
17:10
Speaker 3: it was like you know, all the anxiety and like
17:14
Speaker 3: intention and like it just like focused.
17:17
Speaker 2: I had on getting there, but like.
17:20
Speaker 3: When I finally got there, you know, even I walked
17:23
Speaker 3: in with a friend. He lived in New York, so
17:24
Speaker 3: we met. He came for he only went one day,
17:26
Speaker 3: and he met me there for the first day. And
17:30
Speaker 3: if I walked in and if you met someone asked
17:32
Speaker 3: me for a photo. They followed me on Instagram, and
17:34
Speaker 3: I was like, oh wow, cool, you know right of
17:37
Speaker 3: course took it mate.
17:38
Speaker 2: I was like, that just made my day. Let's keep going.
17:40
Speaker 2: And it happened again, and then it happened again, and
17:42
Speaker 2: then it happened again.
17:43
Speaker 3: And for me, I'm like, oh my god, like I
17:46
Speaker 3: wanted you know, this is amazing. This is like just
17:49
Speaker 3: to know that, like I had no idea it was
17:51
Speaker 3: going to be coming face to face with this many
17:53
Speaker 3: people that I've never you know that I recognized, but
17:56
Speaker 3: we've never met things like that, right, And then within
18:00
Speaker 3: an hour, I had a fucking panic attack, like full fled.
18:05
Speaker 3: And again, I don't know if it was all just
18:06
Speaker 3: leading up to that, and it was you know that
18:08
Speaker 3: I finally got there.
18:09
Speaker 2: It's the build up, yes, but also there was just.
18:12
Speaker 3: An energy in that building that trip, like I hated
18:14
Speaker 3: Bravo com being there in Vegas is ten times better
18:17
Speaker 3: in my opinion. But I had to go outside and
18:20
Speaker 3: my grown ass called my mom crying and I was like,
18:23
Speaker 3: I'm having I'm having a panic attack. And she goes
18:26
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm told her about all these people
18:29
Speaker 3: that I was like it was so cool, and she goes,
18:30
Speaker 3: isn't this everything you've ever wanted?
18:32
Speaker 1: I said, yes, I'm so happy.
18:33
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm having a panic attack.
18:35
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying all that to say, if little
18:37
Speaker 3: old me walk in there and within and my friend,
18:41
Speaker 3: oh my god, my friend who was there when I
18:42
Speaker 3: started having a panic attack, I was like, Robbie, what's wrong?
18:44
Speaker 2: What's wrong? Like why do I feel like this? You know?
18:47
Speaker 3: And he goes, Christian. I lost count at forty two.
18:51
Speaker 3: And so if that was me, little old me, can
18:54
Speaker 3: you imagine what these these people go through in a
18:57
Speaker 3: seventy full seventy two hours from I'm talking it's from
19:01
Speaker 3: the time they get to the airport in their respective cities.
19:03
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
19:07
Speaker 3: And it's non non stop. And so I can't commend
19:11
Speaker 3: them enough. And like, I know that some people maybe
19:14
Speaker 3: don't have the best experiences with with some but I'm like,
19:17
Speaker 3: we have to give them grace because also to y'all again,
19:22
Speaker 3: little on me just there following Vicky along here and
19:25
Speaker 3: there no sleep, yeah, zero sleep, Like it is the
19:28
Speaker 3: most exhausting, like weekend, and they're not Yes, they get paid,
19:32
Speaker 3: but it's not necessarily a ton of money in their regards,
19:35
Speaker 3: and like they have to pay for their outfits and
19:37
Speaker 3: all that stuff, and it's just it's definitely a labor
19:40
Speaker 3: of love for them. And so yeah, when you said
19:42
Speaker 3: that they look stunned, I think that it's just I
19:45
Speaker 3: look back to you know, I think at some point
19:47
Speaker 3: we all hit deer in headlights at some point because
19:50
Speaker 3: it's just it's overwhelming and I can't imagine what it
19:52
Speaker 3: must be for them. And also they're hearing repent mention,
19:55
Speaker 3: them hearing the same thing over and over.
19:58
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, like.
19:59
Speaker 2: Even I'm like it, whoop it up? Yes, thank god,
20:03
Speaker 2: I can't whoop it up no more.
20:06
Speaker 1: That is so funny. And we're people asking Vicky to like,
20:09
Speaker 1: because I didn't think to do this. Lots of people
20:12
Speaker 1: were they had their little microphones and they were getting
20:14
Speaker 1: the Ravo loves to say things. Of course, I'm like, okay,
20:17
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna do two years now. I'm gonna
20:18
Speaker 1: bring my little microphone and some content. But I was
20:21
Speaker 1: I was just like, can I get a quick picture?
20:22
Speaker 1: And that's it. But then when people like there's a
20:26
Speaker 1: huge line and somebody full of approaches with a microphone
20:29
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, so da da da da, now
20:33
Speaker 1: say whoop it up? Now say this like they're like
20:35
Speaker 1: a trained monkey, and you're like, okay, there's four hundred
20:38
Speaker 1: people in this line. You're doing a full five min.
20:41
Speaker 3: I want to know what you're doing with that audio,
20:43
Speaker 3: because if you're supplicing it, like what are we.
20:45
Speaker 2: Doing radio hits here?
20:46
Speaker 1: You know?
20:46
Speaker 2: Yeah?
20:47
Speaker 3: Yes, crazy, yeah, I mean it's it is kind of
20:51
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I think that there there was
20:54
Speaker 3: even an article about like a bigger creator an influencer present.
20:59
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah article, yeah.
21:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, And.
21:04
Speaker 3: Look, I mean I'm so grateful because it's through being
21:06
Speaker 3: a creator is how I was even connected to Vicky,
21:09
Speaker 3: you know, And I think that that shows the power
21:12
Speaker 3: of creating content. It literally is to connect and could
21:15
Speaker 3: build community.
21:18
Speaker 2: However, you know.
21:19
Speaker 3: When you say things like you know they're using the
21:22
Speaker 3: meat and Greek times for stuff like that, or the
21:24
Speaker 3: booth times for stuff like that.
21:25
Speaker 2: You know, I get it.
21:26
Speaker 3: I'm like, do you get your content, you know, like
21:29
Speaker 3: fuel and feed and nurture the community that you built. Absolutely,
21:34
Speaker 3: But it also I'm in, like, you know, the big
21:36
Speaker 3: Bravo kon Facebook group with Lisa and yeah, so Bravo
21:41
Speaker 3: kon Queen AA and yes, and just seeing the number
21:46
Speaker 3: of people and this is something that people save and
21:49
Speaker 3: plan and and look forward to all year, two years long,
21:53
Speaker 3: and just to see the amount of people that were
21:56
Speaker 3: like still in line when you know, and they'd wait
21:59
Speaker 3: an hour, hour and a half to meet someone and
22:01
Speaker 3: then they'd get cut right cut on. Yeah, And it's
22:04
Speaker 3: like you got to think if each person before them
22:09
Speaker 3: what had wrapped up two seconds earlier? Yes, and I
22:11
Speaker 3: know that it already feels rushed, But again, I command
22:15
Speaker 3: people for getting their content because as you like, it's
22:17
Speaker 3: not easy, like it is not easy and it takes
22:19
Speaker 3: balls to go up, and just like I mean, you
22:21
Speaker 3: have to know at some point, like I'm I'm probably
22:25
Speaker 3: doing something that maybe I should have waited to do.
22:27
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
22:27
Speaker 1: But well, it's like when I when I was like,
22:30
Speaker 1: I got the opportunity to be Vicky, for example, and
22:32
Speaker 1: I love Vicky, but I knew that because you had
22:34
Speaker 1: like snuck me in. I literally said to you and
22:37
Speaker 1: to like the handle and everything, I go, I'm quick,
22:39
Speaker 1: I'm quick, I'm quick. And the same thing happened with
22:41
Speaker 1: Rachel Zoe was we were in the VIP room and
22:44
Speaker 1: she was there, and we kind of got at the
22:46
Speaker 1: back of the line and we could tell it was
22:47
Speaker 1: kind of long, and those VIP things were super short,
22:50
Speaker 1: and as we were getting closer, people were kind of
22:52
Speaker 1: like because they kept going like two minutes, and you know,
22:54
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, oh, I meaning here like thirty minutes. Yeah,
22:58
Speaker 1: I hardly did any of that, hardly any standing in
23:00
Speaker 1: line for thirty minutes. If I couldn't get it or
23:02
Speaker 1: catch them. Then I just to forget it, you know,
23:04
Speaker 1: I just would go and take a whatever. And you know,
23:07
Speaker 1: like I'm old, I don't want to stand in that line.
23:09
Speaker 1: But with Rachel Zoe, I really did, and so almost
23:13
Speaker 1: like we were like four people away and they go
23:15
Speaker 1: like one minute. And I looked at one of those
23:18
Speaker 1: Bravo handler people that you know worked for Caesars or
23:20
Speaker 1: worked for the event company, not Ravo specifically, and I go,
23:24
Speaker 1: we are so fast. All we want is a selfishes.
23:26
Speaker 1: I got you, girl. So they cut the line like
23:29
Speaker 1: after us because I let them know, like I don't
23:32
Speaker 1: have a microphone, I'm not setting up a tripod. I'm
23:34
Speaker 1: not going to try to have a dim minute conversation.
23:36
Speaker 3: I got the I got the it's already in focus.
23:38
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go, and I'm not even gonna hand
23:40
Speaker 1: my phone. I'm not even handing my phone over. I'm
23:41
Speaker 1: doing the selfie and keep it pushing. Most of the time.
23:44
Speaker 1: I didn't like the full body ones anyway, because you
23:47
Speaker 1: doesn't matter your size, you're going to look horrible next
23:51
Speaker 1: standing now people who are lambs out and then you're like,
23:55
Speaker 1: I'm in my little denim dress, like you know, I'm
23:58
Speaker 1: trying to be comfortable.
24:00
Speaker 3: I don't have two hours this morning, and I'm fighting
24:02
Speaker 3: for my life over here.
24:03
Speaker 1: I don't have somebody to hold my shoes when I'm
24:06
Speaker 1: not wearing them, do you know what I mean? Like
24:07
Speaker 1: I gotta Yeah. So many people walking around just glammed
24:11
Speaker 1: to the max, like the the people at Brava gone.
24:13
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, yeah, I great those shoes tomorrow, I
24:16
Speaker 1: tell you.
24:17
Speaker 3: What again, I don't know how, you know the ladies
24:22
Speaker 3: do it because I had on fucking sneakers me too.
24:25
Speaker 3: I was day one Friday night walking in my socks,
24:31
Speaker 3: sneakers in hand through the Mandolay Bay Casino. At the
24:33
Speaker 3: moment I got out of the four Seasons and said,
24:35
Speaker 3: let me not embarrass biggie walking shoeless through here, because
24:37
Speaker 3: I'm about I was about to die. Like every step
24:40
Speaker 3: felt like it like was like beastings, you know. And yes,
24:44
Speaker 3: all I could think were how did these like these
24:46
Speaker 3: women who've had to walk around all day?
24:48
Speaker 2: And I'm like, these are i'm a sneakers their heels.
24:51
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it.
24:52
Speaker 1: I don't.
24:54
Speaker 3: I don't think they can make shoes comfortable enough for
24:56
Speaker 3: Bravo Kahn. There's zero percent chance that you come out
24:59
Speaker 3: with like out what at least a little bit of
25:01
Speaker 3: foot soreness after the weekend, I feel.
25:03
Speaker 1: I will tell you that, like last year, I think
25:05
Speaker 1: I just fully warm a hookahs or two years ago,
25:08
Speaker 1: this year I got some cute And this is not
25:10
Speaker 1: an ad dealer of brand, guys, I'm just telling you
25:12
Speaker 1: I got these really cute fit flop Seekers. There were
25:16
Speaker 1: gold they were golden, shiny, super cute, and they were
25:18
Speaker 1: the fit Flop brand, and which I've never bought a
25:21
Speaker 1: pair of fit flops in my life. But they were
25:24
Speaker 1: gold Seekers and they were so cute and comfortable the
25:26
Speaker 1: whole day. Okay, all right, we talked about Wendy. Let's
25:30
Speaker 1: talk about Candy's divorce. Okay. How smart was she to
25:36
Speaker 1: drop it like three days after Bravo.
25:38
Speaker 3: Con Okay, So I called this because there were there
25:43
Speaker 3: were rumors that it was coming. And then like someone
25:45
Speaker 3: on Twitter said that she dropped her name, she'd removed
25:50
Speaker 3: Tucker from it was Candy Burry's Tucker on Instagram.
25:53
Speaker 1: We can't do that, people. The sloths are out there,
25:55
Speaker 1: they'll figure that shit out in four seconds.
25:57
Speaker 3: Well, and it's like so the moment I saw that,
26:01
Speaker 3: That's when I first even because look, we see shit
26:03
Speaker 3: like this all the time, and like, and it's not
26:05
Speaker 3: even people making up shit all the time. I think
26:07
Speaker 3: it's just Ravo is obviously very full of very very
26:09
Speaker 3: vigilant people who pay attention to details.
26:12
Speaker 2: And then I.
26:13
Speaker 3: Started seeing you know, and they were like yes, and
26:15
Speaker 3: she didn't have her ring on, and so then again
26:17
Speaker 3: I'm back. Then I started thinking about to Bravocon. I'm like, Okay,
26:20
Speaker 3: this haze of busyness, and then I'm like, Todd wasn't there, right,
26:25
Speaker 3: And so then I'm like it was the big award.
26:27
Speaker 2: And then I'm like and Candy was in and out
26:30
Speaker 2: like next to next to no.
26:31
Speaker 3: Press, right, And then so that's when I was like,
26:36
Speaker 3: oh they were, And then I thought, it's Riley's first
26:39
Speaker 3: Ravocon next gen is a huge thing.
26:41
Speaker 1: Seems like Candy would be there to support Riley, but she.
26:44
Speaker 3: Also knew if it broke before that, that's all Riley
26:46
Speaker 3: was going to get questioned about all week. So the
26:49
Speaker 3: moment that I saw that she dropped took her. I
26:51
Speaker 3: think this was like two so this was Monday. I
26:53
Speaker 3: think it was Monday, yes, And I said, Okay, well
26:57
Speaker 3: it now makes sense, I said, because they were waiting
27:00
Speaker 3: to get past Bravokon. That was literally her goal was
27:02
Speaker 3: to get past Bravocon to not have to do press
27:04
Speaker 3: at Bravo Con.
27:05
Speaker 2: She was, she had a very she came, she accepted
27:07
Speaker 2: her award.
27:08
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, I think had they had the divorce maybe
27:11
Speaker 3: been brewing earlier, she probably would have been like, y'all
27:13
Speaker 3: got a was through the award next year, you know
27:14
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Yeah, But all that to say as well,
27:19
Speaker 3: like kudos to Candy because you would have never ever
27:22
Speaker 3: known she came out there and gave a very like
27:24
Speaker 3: moving speech. She had the audience crying, and you know,
27:27
Speaker 3: reality team is often like a very like minimized like
27:31
Speaker 3: genre and not really taken seriously. But at the end
27:34
Speaker 3: of the day, I think if it does anything, it
27:35
Speaker 3: is a community builder be it, you know, just as
27:39
Speaker 3: viewers are on social media. And I think that Candy
27:42
Speaker 3: really really highlighted that in her speech, just the community
27:44
Speaker 3: that's amongst Bravo talent in general, you know, and.
27:48
Speaker 1: Generally they mostly they like each other.
27:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, and told Vicky, I'm like, it's like I said,
27:53
Speaker 3: it's you're really, I said, you're in a unique sisterhood.
27:56
Speaker 2: I've told her.
27:56
Speaker 3: I'm like you, you are in a group of a
27:59
Speaker 3: couple hundred women, I said, are the only people in
28:01
Speaker 3: the entire world that know what it feels like to
28:03
Speaker 3: live this, you know, And I said, and even more
28:06
Speaker 3: to make it even more unique, I said, you were
28:08
Speaker 3: the first fucking one.
28:09
Speaker 1: You know, there's one and there's just probably ten or
28:13
Speaker 1: so that would know how Vicky feels and that they
28:15
Speaker 1: did it for so long and from when it started
28:18
Speaker 1: to how big it is now. There's not you know,
28:20
Speaker 1: like Kyle, maybe you know, there are just a few
28:22
Speaker 1: that will know could get Vicki's perspective, you know, and.
28:27
Speaker 3: Especially even more like because Vicky's one of the women,
28:30
Speaker 3: you know, like Kyle had had you know, experience in
28:33
Speaker 3: TV on cameras, on sets and things like this. You know,
28:36
Speaker 3: you look at you know, like your Ramona's your Jills,
28:39
Speaker 3: like you're you know, I mean you're Charae Like I
28:42
Speaker 3: mean Chara you know that like Bob was like a
28:45
Speaker 3: football guy, but like these were people that were just
28:47
Speaker 3: living their lives and the next thing, you know, they
28:49
Speaker 3: have a production crew in their home every day and
28:52
Speaker 3: that's the new norm, you know, and then on top
28:55
Speaker 3: of that, they're kind of giving birth to a new
28:57
Speaker 3: cultural phenomenon.
28:59
Speaker 2: Really, you know, I mean.
29:00
Speaker 3: It is crazy to think about how it all just
29:02
Speaker 3: came about, and very unintentionally on their behalf, you know.
29:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Okay, what is the late what's
29:10
Speaker 1: the latest on the Megan King thing? Because you know,
29:12
Speaker 1: we've heard all the swirling arounds that a school nurse
29:18
Speaker 1: I had to report her because she was The report
29:20
Speaker 1: is allegedly that she was asking the school nurse to
29:23
Speaker 1: give one of her children riddle in that was not
29:25
Speaker 1: prescribed it and the school nurse of course has to
29:28
Speaker 1: report that to authorities, and that's and that's why she
29:32
Speaker 1: got all three of her kids taken away.
29:36
Speaker 2: See now, this whole time here, I thought Jim was
29:37
Speaker 2: written all over this. I was like, Jim is up
29:39
Speaker 2: to know?
29:40
Speaker 3: You know, I really did, Like I'm an a Megan fan,
29:42
Speaker 3: but I was like, Jim is I thought it was
29:44
Speaker 3: always thought he was an asshole.
29:45
Speaker 2: So I was just like, this is he's behind this somehow?
29:48
Speaker 1: But yeah, a school nurse reported her, my understanding to
29:55
Speaker 1: CPS because you know, like a school worker, just like
29:59
Speaker 1: a therapyst is like a you have to.
30:01
Speaker 2: Report things, I mean legally required required.
30:04
Speaker 1: So I don't know if another child had the prescription
30:07
Speaker 1: and she said just give it to both of them.
30:08
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was no prescription, or if
30:11
Speaker 1: Jim had come in and said, like, I don't want
30:13
Speaker 1: my child to take this, but she said yes, and
30:15
Speaker 1: they hadn't locked it out legally, you know, because one
30:19
Speaker 1: parent can want something that the other one doesn't. I
30:21
Speaker 1: don't know what happened there, but I've never been a
30:25
Speaker 1: fan or not a fan of Megan King Edmund's detective Agency,
30:29
Speaker 1: but you know, I think that's awful, and I hope
30:35
Speaker 1: that whatever it is, they work it out really quickly,
30:38
Speaker 1: because it's also traumatic for the children to be now
30:42
Speaker 1: living full time with Jim and his new wife when
30:45
Speaker 1: they were living mostly with Megan. I think it's a
30:48
Speaker 1: I mean, of.
30:49
Speaker 3: Course, and like kids know, if they don't have to
30:53
Speaker 3: hear conversations the energy, you know, I mean, even just
30:55
Speaker 3: if the kid was in the nurse's office, whatever that happened,
30:59
Speaker 3: and then so I had to step out and late,
31:01
Speaker 3: let me make a call and check like they they're
31:03
Speaker 3: they're obviously they're probably getting questioned. The kids have to
31:06
Speaker 3: get questioned in something like this, so they know something
31:10
Speaker 3: is changing.
31:11
Speaker 2: Something is in the air, is off, you know. And
31:15
Speaker 2: I look, I don't I don't wish that on anyone obviously,
31:18
Speaker 2: so I don't know.
31:21
Speaker 3: I think it's uh, I hate it, I will say too.
31:24
Speaker 3: You know, I'm no Kelly.
31:26
Speaker 2: I'm not really a Kelly DoD fan. I'm not a
31:28
Speaker 2: Megan fan.
31:29
Speaker 3: But back to the sisterhood that we were talking about,
31:32
Speaker 3: you know, it was nice to see. We all know Kelly,
31:35
Speaker 3: she loves to she can lay anybody out with her words.
31:39
Speaker 3: She will, and she'll do it with ease. But to
31:42
Speaker 3: immediately jump to to Megan's defense, and I mean they've
31:45
Speaker 3: had they've had harsh moments in the past too, you know,
31:48
Speaker 3: but to immediately publicly jump to her defense, not only
31:52
Speaker 3: saying that this was a like messed up situation, but
31:55
Speaker 3: to just you know, defend her as a mother, and
31:58
Speaker 3: to say that, like, you know, her kids are better
32:00
Speaker 3: with off, you.
32:01
Speaker 2: Know, having her in their life.
32:02
Speaker 3: And I mean I think that again, back to community
32:07
Speaker 3: and sisterhood like it is there. It's always good to
32:09
Speaker 3: be able to support someone, you know, regardless of yeah,
32:12
Speaker 3: you pissed me off before, bitch, you know, but.
32:14
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's nice to see you know, Oh my god, Christian,
32:17
Speaker 1: I would if they brought Kelly Died back. I do
32:21
Speaker 1: think that would be my line in the sand of
32:23
Speaker 1: I can't watch it, you know, So you let Vicky know.
32:30
Speaker 3: Like Vicky and her are they're close, and you know,
32:33
Speaker 3: Kelly and I we've we've talked.
32:37
Speaker 1: She's she's she's so problematic.
32:41
Speaker 2: She it's honestly to me, it's it's unfortunate. And I've
32:47
Speaker 2: said before Kelly dog could have owned Bravo. She could
32:49
Speaker 2: have that. She was so she's so funny, and she's.
32:55
Speaker 1: She's so good on TV.
32:56
Speaker 2: But god, she's out of nowhere.
32:58
Speaker 3: It goes it like we didn't go left, we went
33:02
Speaker 3: left into we wrote out into the sunset, Lightning speed Baby,
33:06
Speaker 3: And you know I've said that before. You know, I'm
33:09
Speaker 3: just it's it's just unfortunate that really really gets in
33:15
Speaker 3: her own way, you know. And I but also too,
33:19
Speaker 3: like it's unfortunate that she does feeling the need to
33:24
Speaker 3: say the things she does, you know, I'm like.
33:27
Speaker 1: That's a nice way to say it. Yeah, Okay, Now
33:30
Speaker 1: speaking of people that I think Andy hates I think
33:33
Speaker 1: he hates Kelly Dodd Ginshaw. He really does seem to
33:37
Speaker 1: hate her. Whenever anybody asked him, he'll be like, I'm good,
33:41
Speaker 1: or they'll say something you know some usually he'll say no,
33:44
Speaker 1: I always leave the door open, like the house I was.
33:46
Speaker 1: Never get fired.
33:47
Speaker 2: Never say never, say never.
33:49
Speaker 1: And you know, even you know, talking about a Bravocon
33:51
Speaker 1: talking about Nini who literally followed a lawsuit and called
33:54
Speaker 1: him a racist, He's like, you know, maybe you know, yes.
33:58
Speaker 1: But with Ginshaw, he has never wavered. He has never
34:02
Speaker 1: He's always like, we're good, it's fine.
34:04
Speaker 3: When he said to wat drop his life to a
34:06
Speaker 3: fan that time, He's like, I don't ever want to
34:07
Speaker 3: see her again. I'm like, what did she do to
34:09
Speaker 3: y'all behind the scenes that none of us know about?
34:12
Speaker 1: Like I think. I think because her particular crimes target
34:16
Speaker 1: old people, and Andy himself has been the target of
34:20
Speaker 1: a scam where they called from the bank and they
34:23
Speaker 1: ended up getting pulling money out of his account and stuff,
34:26
Speaker 1: And because his parents too have been the target of
34:29
Speaker 1: people trying to scam them, as of my parents, and
34:32
Speaker 1: and has my mother in law had one of these
34:34
Speaker 1: people call and try to scam and not necessarily Jinshaw's organization,
34:40
Speaker 1: but it's all adjacent, right, It's all, let's target people
34:43
Speaker 1: that don't know and get their money, and now you
34:46
Speaker 1: have their credit card, you can charge it. And I
34:48
Speaker 1: think for Andy, I don't know if shit happened behind
34:51
Speaker 1: the scenes to make him hate her, or if it
34:54
Speaker 1: really is the personal nature of her crime that he's like,
34:58
Speaker 1: uh uh, you know, what she did was so awful,
35:03
Speaker 1: but because you think, like what Teresa did, she just
35:06
Speaker 1: I mean it was terrible. She signed some documents, you know,
35:08
Speaker 1: for stuff that wasn't hers, but it wasn't like she's
35:11
Speaker 1: purposely going after old people and trying to like take all.
35:13
Speaker 3: This strategizing an years long plan to absolutely like bankrupt
35:18
Speaker 3: people and knowing knowingly leave them with.
35:20
Speaker 1: Nothing, knowingly with nothing and not care.
35:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:23
Speaker 3: And I think another thing now that we're talking about
35:25
Speaker 3: it is maybe a thing for Andy is like, you know,
35:29
Speaker 3: none of us maybe know what it feels like to
35:31
Speaker 3: be lied to your face about stuff like that. And
35:33
Speaker 3: I mean to the last fucking second, literally the last second, yes, yes,
35:38
Speaker 3: And so I mean both I think as a human
35:41
Speaker 3: and maybe boss and production involved, it's like all this
35:45
Speaker 3: stuff is invested in you telling your story and us
35:49
Speaker 3: sharing it and you literally it's almost like you used
35:52
Speaker 3: us to the last second and then do what.
35:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there there'll be no. I don't
35:56
Speaker 1: think there'll be a Karen Huger type sit down Alu
35:59
Speaker 1: Adelas type, you know, with a beautiful background. And I
36:04
Speaker 1: don't think there'll be a sit down with Jinshaw to
36:06
Speaker 1: have her, you know, because she was the head of
36:09
Speaker 1: that snake. You know, she was the head of that
36:11
Speaker 1: whole organization and it was I don't know, it was
36:13
Speaker 1: like fifteen years in the making or something.
36:15
Speaker 3: She I mean, I remember being like impressed is the
36:19
Speaker 3: wrong word because it's not like yeah, but I remember
36:21
Speaker 3: being like damn.
36:23
Speaker 1: Like criminal mastermind?
36:24
Speaker 2: Who would know?
36:25
Speaker 3: And I remember that she had like like offshore accounts
36:28
Speaker 3: and like places that I hadn't even like heard of
36:30
Speaker 3: or something.
36:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
36:30
Speaker 3: I was like, girl, like she is a like okay,
36:34
Speaker 3: I want like a movie on this ship, like because yeah,
36:37
Speaker 3: how did she how did she like was it just
36:39
Speaker 3: one day that she was like I have an idea,
36:42
Speaker 3: like how does that like.
36:44
Speaker 1: All these like LLC's in state that had certain laws
36:48
Speaker 1: that were in her that were in her favor. It'd
36:50
Speaker 1: be like, oh, she's got this LLC in Wisconsin. You're like, huh,
36:53
Speaker 1: But it's because that law works better if you have
36:56
Speaker 1: to quickly transfer your money to Guam. You're like, huh
36:59
Speaker 1: gwom you know. It was so intricate, and then people
37:04
Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, and then she had like twenty people
37:07
Speaker 1: go down that were under her and then still never
37:10
Speaker 1: admit any fault until that day in court where she
37:13
Speaker 1: had to admit she purposely defrauded people.
37:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think her tell her like, you have
37:17
Speaker 3: no choice, but or was she just really tried to
37:20
Speaker 3: the last second.
37:20
Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand.
37:21
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. When you do that and what
37:23
Speaker 1: we've seen it, you know from all the cases that
37:25
Speaker 1: you cover, you know that we cover on like dateline
37:28
Speaker 1: and all these documentaries. When you do that and you
37:31
Speaker 1: waste the court's time, and you don't just plead guilty
37:35
Speaker 1: and take whatever they're going to give you, or plead
37:37
Speaker 1: it to lesser time, whatever you the longer you waste
37:40
Speaker 1: the court's time and then go in there and go
37:42
Speaker 1: just kidding, I was lying all those other six times
37:44
Speaker 1: we met. Then they're like, well, then now you're getting
37:47
Speaker 1: but apparently she was so great in prison, who.
37:52
Speaker 2: Are we going to be judging?
37:53
Speaker 3: Maybe we should follow the Jinshaw method because she's getting out.
37:56
Speaker 2: She do you.
37:57
Speaker 3: She literally was sentenced to like seventy two months, eight
38:00
Speaker 3: months something like that, she served half. Like I'm all like,
38:03
Speaker 3: I'm you know, getting out early good behavior.
38:06
Speaker 2: I'm all for it.
38:06
Speaker 3: And obviously that's not that's not a new idea or something.
38:10
Speaker 3: I've never heard of someone getting that much time off
38:13
Speaker 3: like now.
38:13
Speaker 1: People said. People said because her because her sentence was federal,
38:18
Speaker 1: that she had to serve exactly half no matter what,
38:22
Speaker 1: and then half in a day or something like that.
38:25
Speaker 1: There's some sort of rule. And there's another thing, because
38:28
Speaker 1: you're not cover all these love after lock Up and
38:30
Speaker 1: all these shows, there's all these rules like if it's
38:33
Speaker 1: this kind of crime, you have to serve. If your
38:36
Speaker 1: sentence is over one hundred days, you have to serve
38:39
Speaker 1: ninety nine and then you can whatever. And there's all
38:41
Speaker 1: these different rules. So with Jenshaw, I think because she
38:45
Speaker 1: got in there and was like, give me every single
38:48
Speaker 1: thing in here I could do to get points to
38:51
Speaker 1: take time off, she did this. She got two months off.
38:53
Speaker 1: She did this, she got two months off. She apparently
38:55
Speaker 1: never got into a prison fight. She you know, was
38:58
Speaker 1: teaching people and all these things. So hey, listen, I
39:02
Speaker 1: wouldn't trust her to babysit my mom, but I wouldn't.
39:06
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust her to like help my mom go
39:08
Speaker 1: get a new cell phone or anything.
39:09
Speaker 2: I trust maybe instead a child, because they don't have
39:11
Speaker 2: any money she.
39:12
Speaker 1: Could take, right, But you know, let's see, maybe she'll
39:18
Speaker 1: have a redemption arc not on Bravo. I don't think,
39:20
Speaker 1: because I don't think Andy is ever going to fuck
39:22
Speaker 1: with her again.
39:23
Speaker 3: I don't think you will either. But I think obviously
39:25
Speaker 3: she's probably gonna get a book deal. She's going to
39:28
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, even in this day and age,
39:30
Speaker 3: she could you know, if she invests in a good
39:34
Speaker 3: enough social additional team, she could document her own story
39:37
Speaker 3: and profit that way and you know, monetize her own content.
39:40
Speaker 1: So like, but here's the thing, Christian, in this situation
39:42
Speaker 1: where she owes all this restitution, Oh yeah, do you
39:46
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know, that's sort of like
39:47
Speaker 1: Teresa used to all her book deal money and stuff
39:49
Speaker 1: to pay back her restitution. So there's that.
39:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, she might be she can become like a public speaker.
39:57
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean as far as like.
40:00
Speaker 1: She's gonna have to be, She's gonna have to be
40:01
Speaker 1: She's going to have to be more likable in order
40:04
Speaker 1: to be a public speaker.
40:06
Speaker 2: Well, she's likable enough to always serve half a sentence.
40:08
Speaker 3: So or maybe maybe they were like get her out
40:10
Speaker 3: of here.
40:13
Speaker 1: Maybe that was it. They were like, you know what,
40:15
Speaker 1: we get it, we get it.
40:17
Speaker 2: We did not feel amazing. Please leave. Yeah.
40:20
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, now in that same prison, you've got Gill
40:22
Speaker 1: Maxwell and Elizabeth Holmes, and Holmes is like, oh my
40:27
Speaker 1: friend is leaving, I.
40:28
Speaker 2: Know, and maybwhile she got she got like eleven twelve years.
40:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's in there for a long time. But if
40:33
Speaker 1: she could just fall into Ginshaw maybe.
40:37
Speaker 2: Shaw's original sentence, Yeah maybe.
40:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:40
Speaker 3: There were new pictures that came out. I think I
40:42
Speaker 3: think it was this week or last week. I saw
40:44
Speaker 3: maybe this page six. Her kids have gone to see her,
40:48
Speaker 3: and she was in the like you know, the like
40:50
Speaker 3: the outside area, playing with them, and.
40:53
Speaker 2: I mean it's like like your heart breaks.
40:55
Speaker 3: Anytime, yeah before you see that, but with her specifically,
40:58
Speaker 3: it's just like I remember, like keeping up with that
41:01
Speaker 3: whole thing, and like.
41:02
Speaker 2: Her trial was so fucking long, and and then.
41:06
Speaker 3: For her to like got she like I mean, I
41:10
Speaker 3: don't want to say she got pregnant intentionally, but it's.
41:12
Speaker 1: Like, girl, A lot of people think she did because
41:15
Speaker 1: she would look more sympathetic if she had two kids
41:18
Speaker 1: instead of one or whatever, it.
41:19
Speaker 2: Was fully pregnant.
41:20
Speaker 3: Like, so I just and I mean again I don't
41:25
Speaker 3: want to say it, but also we have to consider
41:28
Speaker 3: the nature of why we are here, and that is
41:30
Speaker 3: because you intentionally, you know, manipulated people.
41:35
Speaker 2: And so I I just it's it's honestly, it's so
41:40
Speaker 2: fucked up to even think about the whole thing.
41:41
Speaker 1: You know, Galay Maxwell's in that prison now, oh my god, wow.
41:46
Speaker 3: And like minimum secure like what anybody that any prison
41:50
Speaker 3: that has somebody getting out half early like Jenshaw should
41:53
Speaker 3: not be fucking housing her.
41:55
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, but I guess I
41:58
Speaker 1: guess because I guess it's and I don't know, but
42:01
Speaker 1: in my mind, because it is federal and it is
42:04
Speaker 1: non violent, that they can loop all the all the
42:09
Speaker 1: the scammers and the you know, because what Glen Maxwell
42:12
Speaker 1: did technically non violet. She didn't physically uh, assault anyone.
42:17
Speaker 1: What she did, she assisted.
42:20
Speaker 3: And she she got moved as the files became a
42:23
Speaker 3: big part of the big conversation.
42:25
Speaker 2: So you could do with that what you will. That
42:27
Speaker 2: now she's in a little bit of an upgrade.
42:30
Speaker 1: Right right, right, but you know what I mean. I mean, God, literally,
42:34
Speaker 1: there could just be a whole podcast about well, there
42:40
Speaker 1: is one. It's called the Bravo Docket.
42:42
Speaker 3: There're gonna be a podcast about f C I, Brian,
42:45
Speaker 3: f CI Bravo. That's literally it's like I want I
42:49
Speaker 3: wanted to just go spend a day there. I don't
42:50
Speaker 3: want to spend a day. I'll take that back.
42:52
Speaker 2: I want to visit for a day.
42:54
Speaker 1: You'd have to go to Texas.
42:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I love Texas.
42:58
Speaker 3: But also, I mean the last I was in Austin,
43:01
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, Ginshaw's like forty five minutes.
43:04
Speaker 1: Well, you know podcast movement, the big podcast thing is
43:07
Speaker 1: going to be at south By Southwest in March. All
43:09
Speaker 1: of this they go every year. We're like, probably not
43:12
Speaker 1: going to go to the Austin one. I've never been
43:15
Speaker 1: to Austin and I was kind of excited. And now
43:17
Speaker 1: that I know I could go visit Glane and Elizabeth
43:20
Speaker 1: Holmes right down the road.
43:22
Speaker 2: And Ginshaw's old bunk because she won't be there anymore.
43:26
Speaker 1: You know that we call our listeners the bunkies because
43:30
Speaker 1: of love after lock up. When you're in love after
43:32
Speaker 1: lock if you talk about your bunkie, you know, like
43:33
Speaker 1: your cellmates your bunkie, and god Ginshaw could be my
43:37
Speaker 1: bunky Yeah. Uh no. Well, there's lots of other Ravo
43:41
Speaker 1: news to talk about, but we're not going to have
43:43
Speaker 1: a chance because you have to go have a meeting
43:45
Speaker 1: with Vicki. But I will say, I hope that y'all
43:50
Speaker 1: got Vicki a new orange or you've schlacked that orange
43:54
Speaker 1: or a plastic one to replace that one, because I
43:57
Speaker 1: don't wander around that. She was carrying around that swiveled range.
44:00
Speaker 2: I told her.
44:00
Speaker 3: I was like, you cannot let go of that orange
44:02
Speaker 3: all weekend, by the way, Like I was like, oh,
44:03
Speaker 3: she didn't.
44:04
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I said, it's got to stay right.
44:06
Speaker 3: Here in your palm, and I'm adamant about finding a
44:09
Speaker 3: way to preserve it.
44:10
Speaker 2: She went to Mexico, so I.
44:11
Speaker 3: Was like, put it in the fridge, put it in
44:12
Speaker 3: the freezer. I'm talking with the lady on Twitter who like.
44:15
Speaker 2: Does text it her. I mean, like it's like like
44:20
Speaker 2: resin art type of thing.
44:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said, in order to preserve everyone's telling, in
44:24
Speaker 3: order to preserve it, it has to be like sliced. So
44:27
Speaker 3: but she's like, what I can do? So she's like,
44:28
Speaker 3: I will slice it and kind of piece it back
44:30
Speaker 3: together and then so like and my I'm envisioning like
44:33
Speaker 3: a cube like paper weight type of thing, you know.
44:36
Speaker 1: And then so when I'm recording, she could also had
44:38
Speaker 1: it like behind her.
44:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, or you give it to like the clubhouse or something.
44:42
Speaker 3: I think that could be cool.
44:43
Speaker 1: I think the time is of the essence.
44:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And I text her the other day.
44:50
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I'm not sure how long
44:51
Speaker 3: you're gonna be in Mexico, so put that in the freezer.
44:53
Speaker 3: I'm still figuring this out, and she goes, I promise
44:56
Speaker 3: it's okay, don't worry about it.
44:58
Speaker 2: It's any orange will do.
45:00
Speaker 3: And I heard the clip she said they're all the same,
45:02
Speaker 3: and I heard the clip of Grestion going it's not
45:04
Speaker 3: the same, because I'm like, wait, we have fought tirelessly
45:11
Speaker 3: for this orange. We will we will put it in
45:14
Speaker 3: resin rotten or not. Before we frown, it will be.
45:17
Speaker 1: It will be the size of a raisin, but we
45:19
Speaker 1: will do it. Yes, Christian, tell everybody where they can
45:23
Speaker 1: find you on social media and your podcast too.
45:26
Speaker 3: Yes, follow me on Instagram at Christian gracenow. And then
45:29
Speaker 3: our podcast is My Friend Soulmate my podcast on Instagram
45:34
Speaker 3: and we.
45:34
Speaker 2: Have new episodes every Tuesday. So come check us out. Yeah,
45:38
Speaker 2: come hang out with me and the og.
45:40
Speaker 1: Go find the podcast wherever you find your podcast if
45:43
Speaker 1: you just look up Christian Grace Snow or if you
45:44
Speaker 1: look up like my friend, or if you look up
45:47
Speaker 1: my Soulmate, because it is you know, it's a it's
45:48
Speaker 1: a wordy title.
45:49
Speaker 2: It's a wordy title. You can look it up.
45:51
Speaker 3: And we're wordy people, you know, we're people of words,
45:55
Speaker 3: so it's.
45:55
Speaker 2: Fitting, you know.
45:56
Speaker 1: Great, great point you guys. If you're listening to this
45:58
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, I have you had a great time. And
46:00
Speaker 1: remember I have put out calls for terrible Thanksgiving family stories.
46:05
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear them. Email mer d m me
46:09
Speaker 1: mp at pinche podcast dot com. We love a terrible
46:13
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving story, So if you have one, I'll change all
46:15
Speaker 1: the names. Love to hear it today. Let me know
46:18
Speaker 1: if you did the cousin walk, if you know you know,
46:20
Speaker 1: that's where your cousin go off and get stoned and
46:23
Speaker 1: come back. Okay, everybody, I'll see you next week. Bye,