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Orang Bunian - Friendly Fairies or Frightening Fiends? · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: He couldn't sleep. He was tossing and turning in bed
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  Speaker 1: and then he turned to face my grandma, but my
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  Speaker 1: grandma was faced the other way. So he was looking
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  Speaker 1: at the back of her head and then he was
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  Speaker 1: like trying to like you know fall asleep and then
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  Speaker 1: his eyes suddenly see something wriggling out from my grandma's
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  Speaker 1: head like something coming out. And then he was like
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  Speaker 1: squinting his eyes, then it formed a face.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Nakia.
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  Speaker 2: My
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  Speaker 2: name is. My name is Wayne. My name is Kyle,
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  Speaker 2: and this is Tales from Incredible Tales inspired by the
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  Speaker 2: classic Mediacorp series. Our guest for this episode.
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  Speaker 2: No stranger to this show. Oh, sorry, sorry, we have
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  Speaker 2: to do that. So while I, while I introduce her,
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  Speaker 2: I will continue doing this, Nia Ayo is the creator
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  Speaker 2: of True Horror Stories POV. True Horror Stories POV is
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  Speaker 2: a hit YouTube channel featuring short POV videos based on
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  Speaker 2: or inspired by true events. Welcome back, Nakia.
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  Speaker 2: Really
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  Speaker 1: I thought your girl she will regret it.
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  Speaker 2: I think for this season we need to check who
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  Speaker 2: is our loudest guest.
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  Speaker 1: You never know.
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  Speaker 2: You know how does it feel to be back but
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  Speaker 2: in a studio instead?
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, you have to ask that question? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: actually I'm very looking forward to the new season. I
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  Speaker 1: was actually expecting it to be outdoor.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know why they like to confine me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding lah. Thank you so much for having
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  Speaker 1: me again.
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  Speaker 2: No problem, happy to have you. So tonight we want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about the supposedly fairy people of Southeast Asia
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  Speaker 2: who are the Orang Boonnyang and are they friendly or
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  Speaker 2: are they to be feared?
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  Speaker 2: This episode's topic is inspired by the original Incredible Tales
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  Speaker 2: episode challenging the spirits. The Orang Boyan, according to John D. Gimlet,
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  Speaker 2: in his book, uh, Malay poisons and chums are elves
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  Speaker 2: and fairies of the forest who are descended from the
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  Speaker 2: fallen angels. According to an article we read, however, there
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  Speaker 2: isn't much difference between humans and Orang Bounyan. It's just
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  Speaker 2: that we don't exist in the same dimension.
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  Speaker 2: So while we might share the same universe and the
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  Speaker 2: same earth, their existence is hidden from us. Further still,
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  Speaker 2: we learn that Orangbuyan are linked to Minangkabau culture which
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  Speaker 2: has roots in West Sumatra. What is your understanding of
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  Speaker 2: who Orang buyan are? Obviously I look at you.
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  Speaker 2: Our guest, of course,
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  Speaker 2: OK,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, right, of all the entities that we
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  Speaker 1: have already talked about, right, Orang Bunan is like the
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  Speaker 1: most mysterious one. Like for the reason I think because
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  Speaker 1: they are quite, um, how do I say, they are
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  Speaker 1: not like um seen as often or experienced like I
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  Speaker 1: think you mentioned about them being in the same universe
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  Speaker 1: as us, it's just like they were they are.
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  Speaker 1: Another, yes, yeah, that we cannot really see and from
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  Speaker 1: what I know based on my experience, only a selected
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  Speaker 1: few can actually encounter them. And when I say a
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  Speaker 1: selected few, right, it's not like just because you have
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  Speaker 1: a third eye, you know, from what I know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like you need to have third eye, so to speak,
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  Speaker 1: and then um you have a pure soul. Ah, that
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing, you know, so I'm out of the
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  Speaker 1: list on on self declare well you laugh very loud, but.
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  Speaker 1: But my point is, right, it's not easy to see.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, but, but actually you guys, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you guys call me for this episode, I do
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  Speaker 1: have this burning encounter that I want to share.
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  Speaker 1: I, but I don't know whether is it really an
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  Speaker 1: encounter with the other realm or was it like something else?
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  Speaker 1: I share I share on this one. This one's really
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  Speaker 1: just want to share one. I just
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  Speaker 2: thought I think the thing is, I think we I
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  Speaker 2: think we are quite close to Orangonan we know you
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  Speaker 2: know what they look like.
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  Speaker 1: You
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  Speaker 2: close to
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  Speaker 1: what you say.
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  Speaker 2: But what do you guys understand about like how did
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  Speaker 2: they look like, you know, I mean, as a horror creator,
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  Speaker 2: we of course do research about the entities of Southeast Asia.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely one of the more fascinating entities that we've
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  Speaker 2: actually read about. Uh, we know that they are fairies,
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  Speaker 2: but they cannot be necessarily good or evil. They are
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  Speaker 2: just there and they usually reside in forests or like uninhabited, uh,
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  Speaker 2: forested areas, sometimes cemeteries also. In fact, there is a cemetery.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, in Singapore that has a dedicated grace for them, la, uh, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you have. I'm sure you, you've been, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and apparently they can get married to humans, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so which is quite interesting and the time, like the
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  Speaker 2: time in the realm and our realm is very, very different, like,
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  Speaker 2: like some time space.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, it's like, uh, Doctor Strange. Yes, I was,
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  Speaker 2: I was about to say Ant-Man because they, they can
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  Speaker 2: be small, right? They can shrink down personally when I
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  Speaker 2: first heard of.
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  Speaker 2: I was confused is not the right word, because you
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  Speaker 2: don't tend to associate like fairy people with like Southeast
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  Speaker 2: Asian entities, right?
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  Speaker 1: OK, when you say fairy, is it like Tinkerbell? It's
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  Speaker 1: like fairy like the big ears and the wing. I
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  Speaker 1: was like,
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  Speaker 2: really fair because that's how everybody describes them that they, OK,
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  Speaker 2: it's you know what descendant of fallen angels or they're fairies.
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  Speaker 2: So naturally.
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  Speaker 2: In my head, right, that's what comes to mind. It's
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  Speaker 2: like the big ears, the fairy wings, the eye very big, big,
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, woo, fly run, got one all of
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  Speaker 2: that of all the, the creatures and spirits I heard about, right,
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  Speaker 2: they were the ones that fascinated me the most just
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  Speaker 2: because that was, it's so far removed from what I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 2: you see, la, we got car we got Pocho.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't sound right. Don't be there, cannot be.
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  Speaker 1: OK, but what if I burst your bubble? What if
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  Speaker 1: I say that um the description, right, isn't supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be all that pretty? Granted, yes, they are not as
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  Speaker 1: ugly as Kaka or Porch or something like that. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't mean that, OK. Oh yeah, oh my God, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but um what I mean to say is, but they
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  Speaker 1: are not far off from there.
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  Speaker 1: And um yeah, it's not like they are really like
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  Speaker 1: fairy fairy per se. It's just that they are more
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  Speaker 1: um prettier in a sense, but there is a reason why.
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  Speaker 1: Entice you to attract you, you know. So it ties
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  Speaker 1: them back to their their purpose. Why are they why
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  Speaker 1: are they showing themselves to you? If they should if
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  Speaker 1: they show their ugly self to you, you'd run instinctively.
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  Speaker 1: But if they show their nice side to you, you
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  Speaker 1: would be like, oh, this girl is quite cute. You
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  Speaker 1: might want to stay, you know. So this is the
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  Speaker 1: part where it's like a big kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Hm, OK, so you might have actually burst my a
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  Speaker 2: little bit for real. So wait, so the, the, the
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  Speaker 2: image that they show is not the actual face la.
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  Speaker 1: They do have um certain like they can, how do
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  Speaker 1: I put it nicely, like they can yeah they can
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  Speaker 1: shapeshift because of the reason, OK, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: whatever they do, right, there's always a reason to it. Ah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's why they have this superpower.
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  Speaker 2: OK, uh, apparently they are very good looking people, right? Mostly,
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  Speaker 2: mostly they are very good looking people like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can see their face like very white in Malays
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  Speaker 2: it's called
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  Speaker 1: bright light. You see them like
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  Speaker 2: oh
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  Speaker 1: for the camera.
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  Speaker 2: Oh
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 2: You see them there, yeah, yeah, what she said like
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  Speaker 2: is to entice you to get, you know, get close
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  Speaker 2: to them, you know, and then, yeah, that's that's why
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  Speaker 2: it's a trap or something, yeah, but I didn't realize that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's a purpose, not just a purpose, but
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  Speaker 2: like there's a, there's a, it's, it's almost like a
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  Speaker 2: show that they put on like they put on makeup
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  Speaker 2: just to entice you kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's natural beauty.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, it might be even more good looking
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  Speaker 2: than me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I spoke too soon, but, but, but yeah, actually it's they,
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  Speaker 1: they tend to based on what people see and experience
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  Speaker 1: they tend to be more good looking than us.
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  Speaker 2: Would be good enough to qualify?
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  Speaker 1: He would blend in nicely with the PC. I would
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  Speaker 1: say so. Oh really? Thank you for having my back bro.
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  Speaker 1: OK averted.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of which, uh, encounters with Oram Bunyan ranged from
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  Speaker 2: mischievous to malicious. A woman who was in labor was
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  Speaker 2: following her midwife's instruction but ended up delivering only a placenta.
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  Speaker 2: There was no baby. Malay animalism expert associate Professor Dato
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  Speaker 2: Zanel Abidin Bohan said, quote, In a case like this,
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  Speaker 2: the baby is most probably taken by the Boyang community,
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  Speaker 2: end quote.
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  Speaker 2: During another incident, director and actor Adeen Shoy was filming
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  Speaker 2: at the Beloom rainforest. He ordered two busloads of costumes,
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  Speaker 2: but only 1 made it to the shoot.
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  Speaker 2: The costume in the 2nd bus were eventually found scattered
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  Speaker 2: all over the forest.
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  Speaker 2: So have you or your loved ones ever have any
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  Speaker 2: experience with Orang Punyan?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, to answer your question, yes, but what you just
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  Speaker 1: mentioned is something that I wouldn't have pegged it to
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  Speaker 1: be an encounter with Orang Boonyan.
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  Speaker 1: Because so far, the encounters that I've had is all
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  Speaker 1: the nice ones. Yeah, to to us Malays, right, orang
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  Speaker 1: bus is usually associated with um they are nice. They
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  Speaker 1: are very religious. Yes, quite religious. So for them to
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  Speaker 1: be doing something malicious like what you mentioned just now
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  Speaker 1: is quite out of the norm, I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. So would you consider them as entities or as
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  Speaker 2: another form of human? I, for me, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: Orang Boyan is like another form of human in a
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  Speaker 2: different realm, in, you know, thinking, I would say. How
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  Speaker 2: about you?
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  Speaker 1: Um, I would say they, they are, um, different entity
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  Speaker 1: for the fact that uh
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  Speaker 1: Um, they have supernatural abilities, um, which normal humans don't have,
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  Speaker 1: like they can morph, they can do stuff,
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  Speaker 2: disappear.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they they can cover your eyes, etc. that kind
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  Speaker 1: of things. So I feel that a human per se
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have any superpowers, full stop. Yeah, so that warrants
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  Speaker 1: them to be like an identity lah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I find it very interesting because
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  Speaker 2: OK, when we're doing research for this episode, there's instances where,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's, it's, it's not a negative experience at all,
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  Speaker 2: but then there's other instances where it is a negative experience.
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  Speaker 2: So there, there's quite an even split from them. So
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  Speaker 2: for you to say that, like, you know, it's mostly
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  Speaker 2: been positive accounts that you, that's actually very interesting. I,
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder whether maybe for certain kind of people
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  Speaker 2: their experiences will always be more positive with the Punan.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe for certain kind of people be negative.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is Orang Boonyan, right, uh, some of the scholars,
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  Speaker 1: they also classify them as jeans, right? So maybe, just maybe, um,
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  Speaker 1: it's because, um, of the way they term the words
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  Speaker 1: like maybe, oh, the jeans who stay in forested area,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they just just say oh this one is Orang
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  Speaker 1: Bonan maybe, maybe, but at the end of the day
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  Speaker 1: they are still jeans, you know, because for us jeans.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, definitely there are the good ones and the bad ones,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, almost all that disturb us are the naughty
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  Speaker 1: ones lah. So maybe, I mean, I mean the the
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  Speaker 1: the even the expert you mentioned, right, he might not
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  Speaker 1: see a name tag that says, hey, I'm an Orang Bonan,
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  Speaker 1: so to confirm perse, yeah, so he may just chalk
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  Speaker 1: it down to, oh, it's a, it's an Orang Boonan
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  Speaker 1: AKA also a gene, maybe, maybe, you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I might be wrong here, but I'm just saying like
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  Speaker 1: my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: In this matter, because, because like what he mentioned earlier
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  Speaker 1: and based on what we believe that Orang Boonyan it's
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  Speaker 1: really the like not everyone can see, only the purest
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  Speaker 1: of soul religious people can see. So if they are
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  Speaker 1: the naughty ones, like why would they want to be
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  Speaker 1: picky about people who can see them? It doesn't make sense,
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  Speaker 1: you know. You don't sell nonsense, then you want to
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  Speaker 1: see only pure soul, you know.
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  Speaker 2: The thing
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  Speaker 2: is that I like how we are defending Oran right now.
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  Speaker 2: This is, this is a very this is clearly a
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  Speaker 2: very new dynamic for the show
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  Speaker 1: and they have money lah so just saying.
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  Speaker 1: From, from our research, right, I mean from the, the,
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  Speaker 1: the hearsayla, um, Orangs, they tend to be of certain wealth,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, so apparently they, they like, you know, their, their
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  Speaker 2: houses like in like castles if you were to get
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  Speaker 2: into their realm you will see and then even if
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  Speaker 2: it's like kampong kampong area so like the wealthy one, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: then then you will see they are like a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of happy
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  Speaker 2: people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with my personal encounter first, OK. It happened.
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  Speaker 1: In an offshore island, we went during the day, 7 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: we went there. OK, my intention of going there in
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  Speaker 1: the first place was not to cycle. I legit wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see the shrine lah. OK, the shrine. OK, so
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  Speaker 1: my intention in the first place is already something that
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  Speaker 1: is wrong I would see, but thank God nothing happened
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't get to see the shrine. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: what happened was we cycled all the way in to
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  Speaker 1: further inside the
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  Speaker 1: Island
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  Speaker 1: OK, and then, um, it was about dusk. OK. So
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  Speaker 1: we I I of course I needed to use the toilet,
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  Speaker 1: so I went to the toilet. There's like this makeshift toilet.
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  Speaker 1: It's very very ECP kind like on its own that kind.
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  Speaker 1: So I went there alone. I went, I did my
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  Speaker 1: business and then when I went out, right, it was
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  Speaker 1: 3 p.m. again.
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  Speaker 1: So bear in mind when I stepped into the toilet,
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  Speaker 1: it was dust. So it was like, you know, those
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  Speaker 1: like very um red reddish sky, it's almost nighttime, right?
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  Speaker 1: So when I step I was like, hey, how come
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  Speaker 1: the sun is back out?
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  Speaker 1: And then I realized that the outside of the toilet,
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  Speaker 1: it suddenly looked very picturesque, very nature, very untouched by men,
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  Speaker 1: and that got me enticed and I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: what is this place? And I walked a bit further.
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  Speaker 1: It is so weird like thinking back, if you imagine, right,
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  Speaker 1: a toilet, shabby looking and then suddenly like a.
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  Speaker 1: The area that's untouched by men. It's so weird, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's so opposite of each other. But then I was like, um,
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  Speaker 1: I was so mesmerized by the beauty of the forest
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  Speaker 1: and there's actually a quarry, you know. Yeah, there's actually
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  Speaker 1: a quarry right smack there and the water is so clean,
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  Speaker 1: it's so gorgeous until now I still have the image
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  Speaker 1: in my head. I wish I can extract it out
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  Speaker 1: to show you guys, but
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  Speaker 1: It happened. So I was like, where was this? Like
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  Speaker 1: then I I thought to myself, oh, maybe because it
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  Speaker 1: was too dark, you know, when I was about to
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  Speaker 1: go inside the toilet, it was too dark, so I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get to see this. Then I was like mesmerized.
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  Speaker 1: I almost, almost took a few steps in to the
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  Speaker 1: grass area, but my heart, something in my heart told
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  Speaker 1: me to not go. So I was like, OK, then
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  Speaker 1: I took a step back and I was like, OK, Nia,
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  Speaker 1: I think you need to go and wash your face
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  Speaker 1: again because I think something is not right.
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  Speaker 1: So after about like 5, a good 5 minutes out there,
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  Speaker 1: I went back in and I washed my face and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, OK, uh, you know what, let's try again.
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  Speaker 1: So I went out and it was dark again.
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  Speaker 1: And then one of my friends came and she was tired,
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  Speaker 1: like she was panting and she was like, Where are you?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, inside the toilet lah. She said,
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  Speaker 1: everyone went to search for me inside the toilet, no
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  Speaker 1: one found me. It was empty and then um I
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  Speaker 1: was in the toilet for about 30 minutes. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: I told them, I said, no, I I I I
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  Speaker 1: just went in to wash my face. I went back
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  Speaker 1: out and you know, I'm very sure it's less than.
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  Speaker 1: 10 minutes. No, they said they were frantically looking for me.
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  Speaker 1: And then when we went back out again, it was dark, right?
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  Speaker 1: Then I saw the area was actually covered up. It
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  Speaker 1: was barricaded. So there wasn't any nature, no forest, third area, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought to myself, what just happened? I swear
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  Speaker 1: to God, I don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so going back to um this Alam Bunyan, right,
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  Speaker 1: um there are some encounters that I've heard of people
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  Speaker 1: saying that they do not get the opportunity to see
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  Speaker 1: the Orang Bunyan per se, but they got to experience
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  Speaker 1: the realm. Yeah, and the fact that the place
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  Speaker 2: right
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  Speaker 1: Really look untouched by men was something very not Singapore.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Singapore, every nook and cranny they would, you know,
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  Speaker 1: do stuff with it. This why it was so weird.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: It was really like raw,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: So you're near the quarry when that happened.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really a few feet away from me, bro.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I can see the water, it was.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: If, if I know how to swim, right, I think
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I would have jumped in because it was very captivating,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: like it really was like telling me, come, come, you
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: won't won't see this place ever again, you know, it's
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: so gorgeous, come, come, come see, touch the grass. It
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: was really like that, the pool was so great.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you came back to our realm, la,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: then uh, did you realize what happened immediately or were
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: you
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: still in shock.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I was still very like, OK, wait, did I went
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: in and out the wrong door, you know, like how
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: toilets you can go in this way, then you can
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: go out the other way, right? So I actually thought
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to myself, no, I'm very sure I went in the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: same door, but then after a while, then it caught me.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I did doubt myself, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: usually for like like Alan, right, people usually say that.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: You know, we can't imagine how heaven looks like. So
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: that's the closest thing to it. That's how beautiful
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: it is because it's untouched by men, so it's a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: very natural. The waters flowing very
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and you feel very like very like.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Relax, calm.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like a holiday.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: That's why I was, I really, man,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I have to say I'm slightly jealous of you.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, you want to experience that
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: because
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: it
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: sounds so beautiful. What, what do you think would have
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: happened if you just went? Yeah man.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You see me sipping something at the side, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: coconut coconut umbrella.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: No, but really I can usually for these kind of cases, right, if,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: if let's say, uh, what I encountered was indeed linked
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: with Orang Boonyan, right, then I usually for these kind
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: of cases, the people would not come back, so they
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: would.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: The reason why they they even show you the place, right,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: is because they like you in the first place. They
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: won't show it to everyone. So when they show you
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the place means you know they are enticing you to
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: come on, come, come join, join our community, right. So
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: once they have you, then most likely you're not going back.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: So you enjoy life there lah, and it's it's scary,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: you know, if you think about it, it's scary, you know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, you leave everything behind, you live in
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a new community and in different culture, different everything different.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And then like all your beliefs before this, right, for example,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: our religious belief, right, you know, when we die we
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: go inside the grave and then like there's Alam Kubu
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: and whatnot, right.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: What will happen to us if we were to live
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: in that dimension? It's a different. Would we even die,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you get what I mean? You don't know. Yeah, it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: like a paradigm shift. Yeah, scary. In 2020, it was
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: reported that a 10 year old girl in Kampongalangsa in
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Sipitang Saba went missing.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: The chief officer had interviewed residents of the kampong, all
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: of whom, including the head villager, uh, pinned the disappearance
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: on an Orang Bunyan. Again, you see the language over here,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: it seems a bit, it seems a bit biased. There's
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: a somewhat similar Irish folklore. Uh, changelings are fairies that
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: replace a human child after other fairies steal the actual child. Uh,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: it's believed that the child is taken because of malice
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: or revenge.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: To become a servant of the fairies or so that
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the fairies can be loved by a human child. So
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: then my question comes into play, why do you think
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the Orang udan?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Seem to be attracted to the young. Can I answer first? Yes,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: like we said earlier, uh, this like the purest of soul.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So young kids, they are yeah, yeah, that's my, that's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: my hypothesis also. Why do you think these children are
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: found again after what seems like a case where the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Oron Breeder ties them into the realm? OK, this is
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: from my understanding, right, uh, from the countless of stories
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I read about Orangonan. So basically, right, um.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I think Orangang Boonyan can be quite lenient as well.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: So let's say if you, if you like, you know, they,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: they brought you to the realm, then you obviously first
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: glance you will like it, you know, you enjoy spending
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: time with them. But then deep down, you know, if
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: your heart says you don't want to stay there, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: they won't really, really force you to be there. So
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: eventually you will be returned.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But there are some cases that, you know, for, for example,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: you know, some people got into the Alambian, right, uh,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: they got into the realm and then they love it there,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you know, it's very peaceful there, it's very beautiful, you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the people, the people there are very kind and whatnot,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: and they choose to stay, so if they choose to stay.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Us as humans in a different realm, we cannot do
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: anything about it. You call any like, you know, any
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: uh ustad or or shaman, you know, to, to get
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: you back or it's very difficult because at the end
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of the day it really depends on our uh nawa
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to our
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: our choice, OK, but, but now begs the question for me,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: like why would the Orang Boona wants to want to
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: take the baby in the first place because to me
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like, yeah, purest also blah blah blah, but
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the thing is like on their end, right, they have
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: much more um I would say like what we mentioned earlier,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: they are of um better looking la, you know, have
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: more wealth than us, more religious. Why would they want
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to take something that is of like a lower grade?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So to speak, if you get my lower grade, ah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: so like durian, I'm just, I'm just saying, you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: so again, if you ask me, I think that we
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: shouldn't peg it down and say that Orang Bunyan did it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I still feel that this is a whole another entity
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that framed Orang Bounyan. I am really defending them today guys.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know man.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: But I really, my instincts tell me like they they
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: they I don't really think that they are malicious and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: they are notorious or whatsoever. So the intention doesn't quite
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: seem to tally in my point of
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: view
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: lah. You know, like before this I ever said that,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: you know, can, you know, they can.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Trick yeah they kill someone, you know, so like, wow
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: people missing only boonyan people missing, but actually it's the gene,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: yeah, so and the thing like I mentioned again no
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: name tag, so he can just say it's Oranguna orang
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: buona meanwhile, the orang well you go and say my name.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I love how early on you said oh you can
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you know this honestly at this point in time I
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: think you're, you're winning me over. I, I feel like
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you know now I'm gonna strike up a call like hey, hey,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: come on man, stop, stop disparaging about that,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, of all the entities right that we have
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: talked about and you guys know la, I think women
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: are the most like nicest, yeah, so that's why I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: said like let's not target them, you know.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe, OK, so then it could even be
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a case of see now I'm defending them.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Look, look what you've got me doing. No, but you've
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: got like the 10 year old girl. It's like what
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you were saying. Some, some people, it's the end of
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: day it becomes their choice. Do you want to stay
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: in that realm? Do you not want to stay in
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that realm? So maybe that's what happened to the little girls,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: or the 10 year old girl, maybe she went there.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And then she decided, no, I'm here, I can't be
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: my parents. She miss her parents or whatever
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like if let's say we were to put her in
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: my situation, she stepped off the toilet, then she said, oh,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: very nice, but maybe she got enticed for a bit,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: then she said, Oh, I don't want to stay, then
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: she comes back, you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: because when she was found.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Um, if I'm remembering the article correct, when she was found,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: she was just lying in a field hands across her
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: chest like that, so there was no harm done to her.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I have two thoughts on this. One, I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: agree that I agree with the fact that, um, you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: in May.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Or it could be genes trying to, you know, confuse you, right? Second,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: it could be the Orang Bonyan no malicious. It's just
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that they want us to believe in them from a
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: different perspective. Why they why they take children, you see,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: there's two folds on this story.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: They take children because their minds are very fresh, so
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: they will remember for life and 2, they are the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: purest so maybe that's the prerequisite, you know, they usually
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: live in like the forested area. So what if they
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: actually deforested the area houses exactly you're trying to prove
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: a point. Hey, you're disturbing my place. This is my place,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: you know, so yeah, they, they, they, they stole the kid, right,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: just to.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: To say that I'm here, you better respect my place,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: you get what I mean, yeah, and also like, yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you know, because kids, they will remember things that happened
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to them for life, right? So then they will keep
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: saying that actually I was taken by Oraman, so I
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: then they keep the legend alive so that they don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: forget about that's that's my point of view lah. So
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: in that sense it also protects them.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: You know, like, oh, then they will spread the, the, the,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the legend right then they're like, oh, don't go to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the forest, the forest this area. This one was where
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I was taken as a kid. Before we go on,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you said you had another story as well,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: right? Yes,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: you got so lost in conversation, yes,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: OK, um, this other story happened to my late grandfather. OK,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it happened to him, um, a few days before he
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: got married to my grandmother. OK, so.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: What happened was he was sleeping and then um he
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: had this dream of this beautiful princess, um, AKA Orang
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Boonyan lah. OK, very gorgeous looking, flawless, and then coming
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to him and said that do not marry her, marry
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: me instead.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: OK, I, I, I like you. OK. So, and then
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: in the dream she actually proposed to him. So she
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: gave him a ring, a green, um, diamond or whatever
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you call it, I don't know, la, ring to him,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and then he woke up from the dream and then
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: he was like, Oh, what was that all about? And
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: then he was like, Oh, it was just a good dream, lah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm about to get married, so maybe anxious or what.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Then he fluffed his pillow and then underneath the pillow,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: legit there was a ring.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: The same ring that he dreamt of, yeah, and then
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: he was like, Eh, what was this? And then the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: next morning he asked around. He asked people, he said that, hey,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: what do I do with this? And a lot of
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: them say, What do you mean? Like you, you found
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: it like they wouldn't believe his story, you know, like
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the fact that he had it in a dream and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: all that. And then after that, he finally met up with, um,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I think it was an Utas or someone who is
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: knowledgeable in this area. Dota said, did you immediately he asked,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Did you put it on?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Then my grandfather said, no, no, no, I didn't, I didn't.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I said, OK, good, because had you put it on,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: it would mean that you accept. Yeah, and then he
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, no, I didn't, I didn't. Then
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: he said, OK, OK, good, now you need to return it. OK,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: so before he actually met this start, right, he was
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: already freaking out by this ring. He said that, I'm
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: already getting married. Why is this ring still clinging on
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to me? So he decided he tried his best to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: dispose of it. So wherever he goes, right, he tried,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: OK la, he throw here. Then next morning it will
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: still appear on his desk.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it will keep coming back to him, you know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: so to a point where there's to a point where
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: there's no explanation. It's so weird, it keeps coming back.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: So then he met the Utars, then Utar says, well
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I just now mentioned lah. So then um the Uar said, OK,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: have you tried to throw it away, bury in sand, etc.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, yeah, I tried, I tried, but still
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: coming back to me. OK. Then he said, you know what,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: maybe this night you go.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Go to sleep, you put this ring where you found it. OK.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: He never say well because those cells don't know. Then
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he said, OK, then he thinking, oh, under my pillow.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So he said, OK, and then when before you go
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to sleep, of course you see your prayers, but then
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: if let's say you happen to dream of her, right,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you go and tell her you said that, oh, I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't want, I'm not interested lah unless you want, but
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I mean based on his not putting on the ring,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it means he doesn't want. OK, so my grandfather did
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: just that. He that night he put the ring underneath
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: his pillow, he goes to sleep.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And then in the dream, he dreamt of her and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: then but this time it's as if she knows already.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: She comes to him crying like she was already in
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: tears and she said, um, you don't want to accept me.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Then he said, No lah, I I don't, I don't
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: wish to go. He immediately somehow knew. He said, I
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: don't wish to go to your realm. I want to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: stay in my realm and I already have a suitor,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to get married to her. And after that,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the next morning he woke up and then the ring
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: was gone.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, OK, that's not the end. OK, so then after that, OK,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: then after he got married, so he got married to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: my grandmother, happy, happy ending, and then after that, um, he,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: one of the nights, I think like 2 to 3
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: days after their wedding, right, he couldn't sleep. He was
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: tossing and turning in bed and then he turned to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: face my grandma, but my grandma was faced the other way,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: so he was looking at the back of her head.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And then he was like trying to like you know
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: fall asleep and then his eyes suddenly see something wriggling
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: out from my grandma's head like something coming out, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: then he was like squinting his eyes, then it formed
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: a face.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it formed the princess. Yeah, so the princess said, Oh,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: so indeed you have made your choice, uh, so I
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: will not disturb you moving forward. I will leave your peace.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: That's what happened after she just disappeared and that's the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: end of the story.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Oh
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: yeah, so really creepy
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: my my grandfather's.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Um, my grandfather, he always tells us this story and
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I know he wouldn't like, yeah, like he's those kind
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and OK, why I, I kind of believe him is
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: because he checked the boxes. OK, I mean not to brag,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: but just saying that he was indeed quite good looking.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I mean it shows right now, I mean his granddaughter,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. OK, so um, yeah, so he was.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: quite good looking in his village and then um he's
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: religious as well. And then so he kind of checked
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the box that oh no wonder like he's being um
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: uh yeah by the Orang Boonyan princess lah yeah so
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but then yeah, luckily he made his decision and decided
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to marry my grandmother still
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: maybe
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: that's why you got an invitation.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: That's what when I,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that's what I think of this guy is the highlighter
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: already this VIP maybe the descendant VIP also what if
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: they invited me right out of vengeance to do because
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: my grandfather rejected her.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: To be fair, she seemed to take it quite
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: well,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: but I'm glad my grandmother made the right choice because
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you know,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: if not, we won't have true horror stories and 2
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: and 3 seasons of of Nokia joining us as a guest,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you know that's the most important thing, you know, that
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: we had horror stories POV and Nia, I guess. This
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: question is for everyone. The Orangonan can supposedly lure people
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: through the tempting aroma of food.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: What dish would the Orang Bonnyan use to entice you?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Why are you shaking your head like I will lose
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the battle. I go first. Very simple steamboat, bro. If
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I smell steamboat and I'm hungry, just take me.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Bro, steamboat as in steamboat, right, not the mala or
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: like the uh anything la, just steamboat la I see like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you know, like the steamboat, then you know the you
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: know the style you can see the thing then the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: just go la no need invitation. He will just go
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: go his wife everything. I lost the steamboat.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I'll bring my wife. I love how he even finished
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the question. No, he's already
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: shaking his head,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: yeah, but why is, do you want to know Mala
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: all that? You want to do something.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: His question was
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: very I think he was, you guys should know me
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: by now, right? No, he was trying to like determine
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: like what's the what's the temptation level like how about you?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I want to hear straightforward.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Mine's also quite basic la sat very basic
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: flavor
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: uh all.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I smell the thing being skewered. I cannot, yeah,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: OK. Must have the and all the other stuff on
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the side or just sat
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: would be a plus
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: point. It would be a plus
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: don't have no, no, you can't spoil, but then maybe
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: once you get into the realm before you take that
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: step on the grass you see down there this place
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: is not the paradise. I bought the sauce forget it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: How about you? How about you? Oh, very simple and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: OK, we're not having, we're not having a food debate
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: on here, OK, which one? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I am not stepping into the food. We're not having
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a food debate on here, but if the nas got
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: one drumstick down there, I'm a simple guy, drumstick and
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: very nice sambang, you know that.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Easy really I think for me, right, it's like, um,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: you know, like Nasi Mina
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: like you know preparing for
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: wedding already this month right because the thing is, right,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: usually they associate orangunan right they usually have like kanduri,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: you know, kanduri means like festive, you know, like like, uh,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: wedding food, la, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I don't know
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: whenever I think about food.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: And Orang Bonan, I think about like nasimiya type bit
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: so like you know Ayamaamira renda, I think if my buffet,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: rights the buffet like the silver thing and you know
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: you were excited.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Bro, I know exactly what he's talking about the sort
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: of people taking the food I think at this rate, right,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you were gonna, uh, first, then you,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I think you are last steamboat, right? I don't, I've
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: never heard steamboat, so you're quite safe.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: That's
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: why I was like actually maybe it will not happen.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: fires are more in the forest, not very conducive for
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: them or maybe the will take it as a challenge
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: like hm steamboat,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: yeah, something different. That's right, but in all honesty, curious, ah, um, in,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in the Chinese, um, culture, right, do you guys have
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: any entity that almost similarly, similarly resembles Orangbuyan?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Then you are in trouble forest, uh,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: so, uh, what they do is they hide you from humans,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: so they, they can do guita jiang means that you
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: are hidden from other humans. They can hide you. So
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: like for example you go in the forest, right, then
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: you can't seem to get out.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Speed up, uh, with your friends, then they are like
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: then you when you get out, it feels like 15 minutes,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: but to them it's like 2-3 hours. So that's very common.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: It's quite similar, I think. I think for Boan realm
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: also is but yeah Boan they are not malicious. This
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: one is malicious. This one is confirmed. They either want
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: intention take you or they just trying to disturb you.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So usually how you get out is like, uh, there's
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: a few ways.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Uh, one is you score vulgarities. Uh, you are, you
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: must be fierce la. I score vulgarities, uh, like if,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: if you're a nice person, you go, I think they
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: will not be scared, but if you're like, you really
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: got that temper and then you score, you will work,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: or you start, uh, you take a barang, you cut
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the cut the vegetables, I mean you cut the, the.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: The grass and all, uh, then they, they might get scared,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: then they will let you out. Or if you're a virgin,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: just pee everywhere. You know, I heard of some scared
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of virgin urine. Can I ask what the forest, right? Yeah,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: what's the steamboat game like? Strangely enough, right, actually there's
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: quite a lot of similarities for Asian spirits la. You
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: can smell food also. If you smell food in, I'm
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: sure this, this applies for your site also. If you
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: smell food in the forest, right, it's not a good thing.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Means that the spirits want to attract you to something
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: like we're not talking about like durian or maybe possible
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: like we're talking about like like what you say like
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: like Chinese New Year kind of smells all these don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: make sense in the middle of nowhere, you better run
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: better go the other way.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this, this kind of thing, they, they do happen.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: As always, Carl, to wrap us up, what's our morbid
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: fact of the day. So there's an alternative medicine practitioner
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: who claims to have been married to an Orang Boonyan
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: prince in 2004. The woman said that she had been
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: having dreams about the prince, Prince Zing, who resided in
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Gung Leang in Johor. So the marriage took place when
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: she made the trip to find her prince with a
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: group of friends.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: During which she apparently disappeared for 4 hours. The woman
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: also claims that she has given birth to 7 children
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: through a human relationship she had with the prince. Human.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: We found this story before we heard anything about your grandfather,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: before we heard anything about your experiences. So as you
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: were telling all that, right, I was like scrolling down
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, wow, is it OK? I
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: asked the both of you, is it?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: No pun intended, humanly possible to do that, to have
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: children with all in 4 hours.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Right, 4 hours.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Technically speaking, it is actually normal. I wouldn't say normal,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: it is actually quite
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Um, or it's possible for humans to actually, um, but
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: not orangutan per se, it's genes again, again with the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: whole um framing, yeah, trickery. So but the thing is, um,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to have babies 7 right, within 4 hours.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: That's insane.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but, but then again, the time difference and everything,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: so I don't know, I honestly, like I said, I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: went inside the quarry, it felt like 5 minutes, but
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: then my friend told me 30 minutes. So I mean
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: it is possible.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: OK, but the thing is, uh,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: this
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: person,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: she
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: is
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: an
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: alternative medicine practitioner, which means you might be like a
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: bomo you know, so like.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Doesn't qualify the boon the purity
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: but
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that was what I was thinking as
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: well.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: So that's why I insist on the other alternative, which
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: is very common because we, I, I, in fact, I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: have heard of um the alternative um people, right, they purposely.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Get married to genes because you know in order to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: acquire more power, more, so it is not a uh
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: an outrageous thing to happen. So if this article, if anything, right,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: it stinks, I mean it reeks of this woman actually
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: trying something else, but then trying to hide under the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: facade of oh, this is Orang Bonan, it's a prince,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: but actually, I feel it's something.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I mean sorry to I don't
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: know I think it's fair, but what I'm fascinated is
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that we have uh is the logical side of you.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: We have an actual calculation we are able to reverse
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: engineer the time frame that is used for the 4 hours,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: 4 human hours. So 7 children, right, that means 7
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: pregnancy cycles, 979 times 7 that's.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, 77 children means 7, essentially
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: 7 years, let's say 7 years, so they got break, right?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: 7 years, 7 years for 4 hours. That means that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the conversion rate for supposedly human to orangian time.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: But you see that's the thing, so that, that is
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: one scale and then yours is a different time. So
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go full nerd down here, OK. This, this
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: also might not read the cut because it's just too
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: stupidly nerdy, OK, maybe, maybe it's different part of the world,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you know, different time zone. No, it's like, um.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: In Marvel Comics, how they explain how Marvel Comics can,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: can have been happening since 1960s, but everybody see same age.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: It's called a sliding time scale. So I feel like
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the time scale for, for lack of a better term
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: orang Ban time to human time varies depending on, it
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: could be location, it could be maybe the budian themselves
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: decide how.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: The time, the time difference works for, so I, I
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: think the more we try to, the more the boon
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: we're like, nope, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: you try to use your human logic on me. I will,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I will mess with the time a little bit more. OK,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: based on this, even after hearing, uh, your grandfather's story,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: have you all heard of instances where
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, the Buddan comes to somebody in a dream and
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I want to marry you.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: But with your grandfather's case, it's a case of him
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: going to their realm. Has there ever been an instance
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: where the boonan was going, I, I love you so much,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I will come to your realm.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting. No, none that you've heard of, right? It's
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: usually the human go to the real, yeah, yeah, it's
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: like why would you want to give up everything. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: love you, but look at this place, rich.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: He sacrifice about it. Have you seen the movie? You
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: think about it, right? It's really like you to give
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: up everything to join this rich and very wonderful family,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and then now you have problems with the
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: in-laws.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And maybe if let's say they come into our realm, right,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: they might lose their superpower only.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But you know, the other aspect,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and you don't
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: know how old they are and that's true you know
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: they might be 1000 years old. So in the realm, right,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: they may look very young, pretty like Nokia like that, right,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: but then if they go into like the, the world,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: our realm.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: you don't want to see me in the human realm
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: you don't want to
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: run.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: So that's why I think most of it is we,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I mean humans go to because it's an upgrade.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Alright, thank you so much, Nakia for joining us. Thank
• 42:42
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• 42:44
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• 43:01
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• 43:05
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• 43:37
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