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NFL Quarterback Carousel: Kyler, Tua, Rodgers & the ‘Franchise’ Test · Fanatically Speaking with Kent

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Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome to Fanatically
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Speaking. I am Kent, the co -host and promoter.
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I'm Log Off, the Log Off legend, hater of all
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things social media. I am the co -host and producer
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of the show. All right. And today's episode,
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we are going to talk about quarterbacks in the
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NFL, kind of call it the quarterback carousel.
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We're going through the coaching carousel right
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now in the off season. But we wanted to just
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get a head start on the quarterback. uh, movement
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that may happen via free agency trades and draft.
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Yeah. And, um, and I was actually looking at
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this, um, when you brought this up yesterday,
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I was just looking at rosters and looking at
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court. When you think about it and you look at
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it top to bottom, it's not a lot of great quarterbacks
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in the NFL. I feel like in previous, you know,
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eras, There were a pretty healthy list of quarterbacks
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that you trusted. It's not a lot of them that
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I trust now, which accounts for a lot of the
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shakeups. Even high draft pick quarterbacks,
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young quarterbacks. So yeah, I'm curious to see
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how we're going to go along with this and see
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who probably needs to make some moves and go
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somewhere else. Yeah, so I'm going to start with
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a name. I got a couple of guys to start off with.
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We're going to start quarterbacks. I got a list
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of names. I got a list of teams. So it's going
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to kind of, we're going to kind of go back and
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forth with this and try not to be all over the
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place. But so, so one name that I keep seeing
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and hearing that is going to need a change of
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scenery and the team may want to move on as well
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is Kyler Murray. And if you remember, I almost,
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I almost called him the nickname and I'm not
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going to do it. I'm not going to do it, but I
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don't want to get us flagged. You know, if you,
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and if you can remember The Cardinals Had Hired
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Cliff Kingsbury Specifically because they wanted
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to draft Kyler Murray they wanted to pair the
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two together And it didn't work out so and Keith
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they you know They gave Steve Wilkes one year
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and he was out so to get Kingsbury in there and
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then get Kyler Murray at that top pick and it
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just hasn't worked out for them, whether it be
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on the field success or keeping him healthy.
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So I'm going to start cooking on this one because
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I'm going to go a little bit and then I'm going
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to pause and kind of ask you a question because
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I have no idea where you stand on this. Okay.
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That was probably one of the more recent renditions
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of I'm going to appease You know the pick that
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I'm making in the draft You know by having a
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coach that's comfortable and it was also flashy
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at the time to hire the new young coach Yeah,
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you know to pair with the quarterback, you know,
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they work well together. They had some success
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in the collegiate ranks, whatever But you know,
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like you said it didn't work out for a lot of
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reasons, you know, there was a lot of You know
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rumblings about Kyle Murray, you know his low
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levels of maturity, playing video games, not,
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not breaking down film like he should, you know,
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nothing necessarily about his work ethic as an
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athlete, but just more of the head game part
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of it where it's like, Hey man, like, are you
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in this to do this or you know, what type of,
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what type of stipulations do we need to put in
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your contract? That was actually a conversation
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too, where it's like, we're going to structure
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your contract to where you have to be parts of
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these discussions, conversations, coaching sessions,
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understanding the position so that way we can
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make sure that you stay our franchise quarterback.
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But the question that I have for you is, have
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you ever been a fan of the elite player coach
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combination? going from either one team to the
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next, or in Kyle Murray and the Kingsbury situation
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going from college to the pro ranks, are you
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a fan of that move as a whole? I'm trying to
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think of - Other situations like that? Well,
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I'm trying to think of a situation where, another
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situation that that happened and it actually
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worked. And that's another thing that I'm thinking.
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Yeah, it's rare. It's brought up a lot. Normally,
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the quarterback is already there. And they say,
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you know, like a Chicago, hey, we got this top
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pick, Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson will be great
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to make, you know, and we'll see what happens,
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right? Or they make a trade to bring in a quarterback
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to go with a coach. But this happening like at
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the same time, I'm trying to remember if that's
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ever happened. And I really can't remember that
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that's been a case of, we're hiring this guy
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to get with this quarterback and they're gonna
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start with the team at the same time. And maybe
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I'm just having a memory loss. I'm just gonna
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give you a hypothetical and we'll go a little
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old school here. But let's say Tim Tebow is a
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coveted draft pick. Hey, we're gonna bring in
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Urban Meyer to coach him. Would you be a fan
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of that? Bryce Young, number one overall pick
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for the Panthers. Hey, we're gonna bring in Nick
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Saban to be his coach. Yeah, see, I can think
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of more situations where there was a pairing
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that was needed and it didn't happen. You know
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what I mean? Okay. So I can think of like the
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Bryce Young where the rumors were they hired
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Frank Reich and rumor is he wanted CJ Stroud,
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management ownership wanted Bryce Young. And
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it didn't work out between the two, because that's
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not the quarterback he wanted. Or - Bumping of
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heads, yeah. Right, it was like, nah, my offense
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and the way I want my quarterback is to be big,
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strong arm and everything like that. Not this,
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again, smaller quarterback with different skills.
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Nathaniel Hackett hired in Denver, they thought
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they were getting Aaron Rodgers. They didn't,
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so they settled for Russell Wilson, and it was
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a disaster. Those are the ones I remember. I
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don't, but yeah, like a Tim Tebow and an Urban
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Meyer at the time before he became Perv Meyer,
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I think would have worked. You know what I mean?
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Because he knows Tim Tebow. He knows his strengths.
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He's not gonna say, hey, we're gonna make you
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a pocket passer. Nah, that's stupid, right? And
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that happens a lot. But yeah, I don't know if
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I'm a fan of it. I think familiarity is really
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good. And we talked about that on another episode
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with like Jalen Hurts and his offensive coordinators,
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but not necessarily the head coach. So it's like,
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you know, like I think a good coordinator pairing
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with a quarterback is way better than a head
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coach pairing with a quarterback. Does that make
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sense? And it makes perfect sense. And, and that's
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a Like you heard a lot of discussion. I'm sure
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you've read a bunch of stuff. It's all the stuff
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online about the, you know, Kyle Murray, Cliff
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Kingsbury pairing. And it seemed like a better
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fit to just hire him as an OC. He was coming
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from college anyway. You didn't have to give
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him, you know, free run over the entire organization
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as the head coach. You didn't have to give him
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that job. Just say, Hey man, come in and prove
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yourself. We'll give you a year and a half. We'll
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give you 18 months show me what you can do with
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this kid undersized Yeah, you know first round
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quarterback and Kyler Murray we know he's talented
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We know he's a great athlete and we saw what
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you did with him now Show me something and then
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if you can prove it to us, then yeah We'll get
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our coach out of here and make you our head coach
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something, you know something like that But they
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didn't even make him prove himself. So no, I
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think I think that's a fair comparison. I think
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that's a And not to stay on this too much longer,
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but yeah, that would have made more sense because
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one Kingsbury had never been a head coach in
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NFL So he's got a lot to worry about a lot more
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responsibility and you know, it would have made
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more sense Yeah, you're right to just you know,
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keep Steve Wilkes as the head coach Kingsbury
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is the OC and if it does fizzle for Wilkes then
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you just bump up Kingsbury, but at least he's
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making the steps but they threw him right into
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the fire and and to try to be a first -time head
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coach and Focus on your quarterback in the offense.
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That's a tough task. I don't think I don't think
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people realize that you know Obviously the NFL
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head coach and job is a huge job lot of responsibility.
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So definitely that But again, I don't know a
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spot where you say okay Kyler Murray can go to
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this team and succeed I'm just not like I got
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a list again to these guys and he's just one
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that I say I like to ask the question you know,
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these teams are going to have to ask the question,
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is he better than what we have or had? And can
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I win a championship? Okay. So I'm, I'm going
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to disagree. I'm going to disagree with that
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second question. Okay. And again, I'm wearing
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the hat, rational sports fan log off. Yeah. Only
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one team can win the championship. So, so, so
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I, I look at how long it took for somebody like
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Trevor Lawrence, who had a great year this year
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to develop. We talked about CJ Stroud, how he
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had to kind of work his way into an NFL office
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to become a productive playoff type player. When
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I look at Calamari's size, the only place that
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kind of made sense for me was a team that has
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a lot of talent around them. And they may have,
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and even though they had a good quarterback,
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they were kind of held back from their successes
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because of their starting quarterback's lack
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of ability. And Kyler Murray has this ability.
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I say you do whatever you can if you're the Atlanta
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Falcons to go get Kyler Murray. Oh, wow. Undersized,
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yes, but they've got fantastic running backs.
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They've got a good old line. You got one of the
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best up and coming tight ends in the league.
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Just go get him. Bring him in and. to your original
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point about pairing them with a coach, they're
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gonna have to go hire a new coach. Bring in a
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coach and interview them and say, hey, can you
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coach Kyler Murray and make him a productive
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starting quarterback in the NFC South? Can you
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do that? And this job is yours. And then just
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go make the move. They got all the salary cap
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money in the world. They can still draft a quarterback
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if they want to. Nothing stopping you from doing
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that and if Calamari flames out Do you got somebody
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who's been? Sitting on the pine for a year and
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a half two seasons and it gives them an opportunity
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to kind of learn the game You know from the locker
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room and from the sidelines So that's kind of
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my guess that that was the first place my mind
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went and it seems to be a solid one to me Yeah,
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and that would kill two birds with one stone
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Because and that's not because it's the Cardinals
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and the Falcons Look at you with the puns look
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at you But but the Falcons obviously I think
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Kirk Cousins reworked his deal a little bit to
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help them out I don't think he's the answer.
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He's got you know cement blocks as feet Michael
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Pinnix is I think it's still up in the air on
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is he good is he not good? But you know they
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could probably find a deal somewhere and make
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that work somehow money wise player wise and
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we shall see Okay, I'm just gonna move on to
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the next guy and we kind of hit it. We kind of
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hit the Falcons there and all that so we no worries
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about them anymore. Tua, talk about Loa. Damn
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it, man. Seems like he's on his way out. Seems
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like he agreed a change would be needed. Yeah.
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Two is a tough one. He gets, he's owed a lot
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of money, man, like 50 million. It's hard to
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move a contract like that. It's hard to have
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it on your books as dead money. So a team who
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needs the cap relief will have to make a move
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for him knowing that that money is coming off
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the books. Does that make sense? Yeah, but he's
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very similar to Murray Murray's got a few years
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left on his contract, which is huge And two has
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got a few more like one more year than Kyler
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So yeah, I mean the both of them and their contracts
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is gonna matter and where they go But but the
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dip but the difference in this is But the difference
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for me between the two is I feel like Kyler Murray
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can still actually play the quarterback position
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at a, at a competent level, more so than Tua.
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If I told you right now, you need a game, somebody's
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got to win a game for your life. Are you taking
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Tua or Kyler? I'm going to take Kyler, but they're
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both injury prone. But Kyler doesn't get concussions
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every other play like Tua. And his arm is stronger.
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So yeah, I'm going to take Kyler. He's quicker.
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he's faster, stronger, more durable, even though
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he's also entry prone. But yeah, I take Kyler
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over. I would take Kyler over Tua. I think both
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are going to get another chance to be a starter
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on another team though. Agreed. I agree with
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that. And also to your point, Tua is, I don't
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know, I hate putting this type of stuff out there,
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but I mean, I'm not out there hitting them. I
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feel like that dude is one or two crazy hits
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away from having his career ended. I thought
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it was already ended. And then somehow he came
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back and he keeps coming back and you know, it
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is, you know, he plays football. It is a part
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of the game, but yeah, you're right. I mean it,
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and it doesn't have to be a vicious hit, right?
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I mean, he's gotten them from, you know, hitting
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his head on the ground and the turf. So hopefully.
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Oh dude. I mean, I mean, I mean, watch it, watching
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his head get bounced off the gear. I've seen
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it. I mean, it's going to take maybe one game
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against the Houston Texans or New England Patriots.
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And who knows what do I happen they they come
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after you and they hit the quarterback We talked
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about that. So yeah, I mean when those guys are
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coming after you man, anything could happen Yeah,
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that's what makes it tough for him I I think
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the best option is a team that's in kind of cap
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hell That has pieces that need to be moved and
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they're gonna go through like a rebuilding phase
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but if I had to bet a dollar amount, any dollar
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amount, I don't care if it's $1. He's staying
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with the Dolphins, dude. They're gonna be unable
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to move him. Yeah, he might. I mean, they're
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gonna get a new head coach. They got Quinn Ewers.
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He looked pretty good at the end of the season.
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So it might be another year of that until they
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make a move, right? And I'm gonna throw this
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really, really quick. What about a Kyler Murray,
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Kyler Fertua? Does that help anybody? So the
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contracts match. So mathematically, yes, that's
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a move that you could make. The question would
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be whether or not Arizona is going to be willing
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to make that move for such a, for the same amount
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of money. It's kind of like, Do you want to like,
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I would rather dance with the devil that I know
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in Kyler Murray. I got you. Then I would to,
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to, to go with Tua and, and know that he's just
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one crazy hit. And I mean, and I what the concussions
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for a quarterbacks are different because it's,
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it's such a, it's an injury that you can, you
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can only see it when it's at its absolute worst.
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I remember when Vic was getting concussions late
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in his career. And it was like, damn Vic, like
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you can't take those hits like that anymore.
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I guess maybe Arizona does take a swing. It doesn't
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really benefit them unless Miami gives them a
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great offer that includes maybe a player or two
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and some picks. But you got to give me something
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else other than just player for player. Because
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two might be out of it and maybe they're gonna
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have to eat that money anyway, but they have
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to have some upside. So maybe some second or
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third round picks in there. So maybe they could
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draft another quarterback and see if they work
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out on the cheap. Yeah, and again, Arizona gonna
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have a new head coach again new head coach Yeah,
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we just talked about Kyler Murray and like I
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said, they're in this situation again where you
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got another head coach gonna be coming in Who
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does he want so that that'll play into that?
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All right. I'm gonna move along. I'm gonna go
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old man here Aaron Rodgers we talked about it.
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Does he get is he retired? Did he get knocked
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out of the league? Does he play and if he did
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where in the hell would he play? I'll let you
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go first on this one. I'll let you go first on
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this one. I honestly think he's finished. He
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looked finished. Again, we talked about it. He
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literally said, take me out. I'm done. They've
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done returned me up my fumble for a touchdown,
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a pick six for a touchdown, you know, pick six.
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That was about his last pass, maybe in his career.
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He's not going to be back in Pittsburgh, whether
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Tomlin was going to be there or not. I heard,
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I can't remember who said it, and they were like,
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well, maybe he could do like Philip Rivers come
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in mid season on a team that needs a quarterback.
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But I'm like, I doubt that too. That doesn't
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feel like Aaron Rodgers. It just seems like he's
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finished. But I did try to think of some teams
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to say, well, what if, right? What if he just
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starts the season and Holt keeps that seat warm
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until - their injured quarterback comes in. And
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the only two is, again, a team who, again, they
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like to just juggle quarterbacks every year.
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And that's the Indianapolis Colts. They like
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old guys coming off their couch. So maybe they
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just say, hey, you know, with Shane Steichen.
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And they held, Philip Rivers held up pretty good.
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So I think there's a difference in offensive
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line, things like that. And then the Chiefs is
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one that was brought up because again, Patrick
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Holmes, they're gonna need somebody there to
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just keep it warm, not come take it away. Andy
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Reid's offense. So those are the two if that
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just first came to mind, I don't think he's gonna
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go to any other team that is bringing in a new
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head coach, things like that. It would have to
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be to me a team that has a head coach, has something
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in place. maybe Minnesota, if they're not sold
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on JJ McCarthy to just say, Hey, learn from Aaron
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or something like that. You beat me to it. No,
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you beat me to it. So those three, that one,
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and that one just came to mind. So those are
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my three, if he would play, but I honestly think
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he's finished. Okay. And, and I'm, I'm going
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to piggyback on the, the Vikings, um, uh, take
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the literally an article on NFL .com. I read
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I want to say it was, hell, I think it was yesterday.
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Yep, it was yesterday. Vikings head coach, Kevin
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O 'Connell, looks to add depth competition to
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his quarterback room for next season. All right.
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Now, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken,
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prior to him signing with Pittsburgh, I believe
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Aaron Rodgers had a meeting with the Vikings.
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Am I wrong on that? No, they had conversations.
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They had conversations, okay? So there was some
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mutual interest then. The thing that concerns
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me the most about Aaron Rodgers is in that last
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game that we saw where they got obliterated by
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the Texans, that dude was flinching. He was wincing
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in the pocket. He didn't want anyone to graze
22:01
him. He was horrified of contact. Now maybe he
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had an injury that we didn't know about Maybe
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all the hits he's taken his career have caught
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up with him but I will admit that he doesn't
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look like someone who wants to continue to play
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football with my eyes and I'll say that but I'll
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say the next place he plays football is like
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at a The next place Aaron Rodgers plays football
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will be in the seven -on -seven tournament in
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the Olympics. He'll be playing flag football.
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He'd be amazing. He would be incredible. Yes,
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he would. He would be great at flag football.
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It would be spectacular. Let him pick his own
23:01
wide receivers. Just playing a 40 -in -order
23:03
league. Oh, he'd be cooking people all day. You
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know, get him, uh, him, uh, who's some old good,
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uh, good old recorded, uh, retired, uh, wire
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receivers, uh, Adam Thielen just retired. Snatch
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up Adam Thielen. Yeah. Tio, um, Ocho Sinka. Tio,
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Chad Ocho. I don't know what type of shape he's
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in. Yeah. Get him out there, man. Um, yeah. Yeah.
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So I don't. The Minnesota thing though, their
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O -line was horrible. McCarthy went, they got
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killed. But it is a spot. I will give them a
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little opening to stay playing, only they say
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that he had fun this year. Maybe, again, it's
23:48
hard to hang it up, but maybe he sees the writing
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on the wall that maybe it's his time. We shall
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see. Let's see, the other name I had on there,
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Daniel Jones. He's obviously gonna have to come
26:23
back from his injury. I don't know if the Colts
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wanna keep rolling with him. But he looked good
26:34
at times and then he was fizzling and spiraling
26:37
downhill. And as you said, he was turning back
26:39
into a pumpkin and then he got hurt. I'm not
26:44
putting my faith in him. That's all, but - I
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don't know where if he comes and I don't think
26:49
this season we have to worry about it. If he
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would come back, it would be at the start of
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season, I'd be amazed. He wouldn't be the same
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guy. So I'm just gonna I just wanted to mention
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if you've got anything to say about him and we
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can move move on. I don't know. I'm just so I
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guess I guess my only question for you in terms
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of Daniel Jones is and I by the way and I don't
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know maybe this is something that is super popular
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and I'm just now hearing hearing it. The I heard
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somebody talk about Sam Darnold But instead of
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calling him Sam Darnold, they called him same
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Darnold meaning he's always gonna be the same
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quarterback Yeah, even when you think he's better.
27:29
Nope. He's still the same. He's same Darnold.
27:32
I Don't know if that applies to Daniel Jones
27:34
so my question for you is You saw the success
27:39
that he that they he had with Indianapolis early
27:41
in the year when he had what he needed You know
27:46
MVP level running back Great old line, receivers
27:50
that could catch passes that were a little inaccurate.
27:53
He was able to succeed in flourishing that. They
27:56
started off hot to the point where you, yours
27:58
truly, said that you believed in him. Okay? I
28:01
did. My question is, what makes you think he
28:04
can't do that again? I mean, I think he could
28:08
for part of the season. I mean, he has - So you
28:11
think it's just eventually he'll fade? I don't
28:14
have trust. That's what I'm saying. Some of these
28:16
guys, it's like - And I got a question about
28:19
one guy at the end of this episode, but it's
28:23
you know Maybe I should have worded my question
28:25
earlier about Kyler Murray and these other guys
28:27
It's not so much. Can I win a championship? But
28:30
are they a franchise quarterback? Eventually
28:33
my thing is like a team like the Colts and any
28:36
team I know sometimes you got to have that bridge
28:39
quarterback, but you got to say okay. Is he my
28:41
franchise quarterback and I'm just not sold on
28:46
Daniel Jones Even with success, I mean, again,
28:50
we've seen bad quarterbacks go to Super Bowls
28:54
with teams like a Rex Grossman. So we've seen
28:59
it. So my thing is, I'm not gonna give them the
29:04
world. If they wanna give them a year contract,
29:08
but you better have a good backup wherever he
29:11
goes if he stays with the Colts. And again, if
29:14
they did, that would be great. Somebody's gotta
29:16
keep that seat warm. I'm just not sold on them.
29:20
Like you said, I know there's not a lot of elite
29:22
quarterbacks in the league. And you gotta have
29:27
a quarterback with some talent and somebody that
29:29
can man the ship. I'm just not sold on them.
29:34
I think he can show flashes, but I think the
29:36
pressure ultimately always gets to him. Let me
29:40
ask you this. In terms of quarterback rankings
29:43
is quarterback heavy show, obviously. Yes. What
29:46
does it take for you to consider a quarterback,
29:50
a, a franchise quarterback? Because I mean, there's
29:53
five locks that, you know, my homes, Alan, Herbert,
29:56
Jackson, burrow or locks. People argue about
30:00
Jalen hurts, whatever. Right. But outside of
30:04
them, he has, but outside of the names that I've,
30:08
okay. So we'll throw him in at six. Out of those
30:10
guys, outside of those guys, is Dak Prescott
30:15
a franchise quarterback? I mean... See how you
30:23
got to think about it? If you got to think about
30:25
it, is he a franchise quarterback? I have to
30:27
think about him. He's like a Justin Herbert.
30:32
Okay, hold on. I got another name for you. Is
30:34
Trevor Lawrence a franchise quarterback? He's...
30:39
At the moment, it's he's young though. So you
30:43
got to say, okay, and he has won a playoff game.
30:45
So I mean, he might be in that basket too of
30:49
with Dak and Herbert. There's like different
30:51
levels. Okay. You know what I mean? So hold on,
30:53
hold on. No, no, I can do, hold on. Yeah, there's
30:55
a lot of names over here. I could do this all
30:57
day, but, but, but I think like defining a franchise
31:01
quarterback is important because the guys, the
31:04
guys that I named off the top, it was, it was
31:07
no brainers. Everybody else you have to think
31:09
about. I'm just going to give you one more name.
31:11
I love having fun with this shit. You know how
31:12
I do. Yeah. Is Brock Purdy a franchise quarterback?
31:18
And if he isn't, why not? I think he's a franchise
31:23
quarterback for that franchise. For the franchise.
31:26
Then that makes him a franchise quarterback.
31:28
For that franchise and that system. OK. All right.
31:34
Fair enough. Okay. So I mean, and there's some
31:36
other names on here that I'm not going to throw
31:38
out, but, um, okay. I think, I think that's,
31:42
I think that's fair. And I, I appreciate that,
31:45
that kind of, because franchise quarterback,
31:48
people say that or people top five and top 10.
31:50
And it's like, nah, when it comes to somebody
31:52
that you trust, trust a franchise with. Those
31:55
top six names, you can get them. You have that
31:57
player on your team. You have a franchise quarterback,
31:59
no question. So your Brock party elaboration,
32:02
that team, I think that makes sense. Because
32:04
if he goes to the Raiders, I don't think we're
32:06
considering him a franchise QB. I'm that guy
32:11
that if I was running a franchise, I'm not just
32:17
going to put anybody at quarterback and say,
32:22
well, you know. Know sometimes you run into again.
32:25
I brought up bridge quarterback like hey this
32:28
year We're just gonna have to go with a guy,
32:29
but I got to be looking and saying okay. Who's
32:32
my next guy? And I need results you know like
32:37
Lamar Jackson Josh Allen or MVPs Never made it
32:41
to a Super Bowl, but I know that It's just gonna
32:46
take that one season for them, so you have seen
32:49
enough of it, but then when I see these guys
32:54
really fizzle and crash out in the playoffs.
32:58
Those are the guys that I just can't go with
33:01
you as my. But you gotta get there. It's a thin
33:04
line. We always say at quarterbacks, you gotta
33:08
have somebody. But I feel like as a franchise,
33:11
you better have a guy who you think can get you
33:12
to that next level. Not just win a playoff game,
33:16
but can get you to playoff, to get you to that
33:19
NFC championship, AFC championship, Super Bowl.
33:22
just get there. Get me. Have me believe that
33:24
you can get me. And I'll say this only once I
33:27
love the the the phrase bridge quarterback, but
33:32
I'm going to give you a name and go ahead. No,
33:35
I'm just saying like, I just feel like you got
33:37
to have somebody that the majority of time, most
33:41
teams should have a guy that they think this
33:43
guy can get me and lead my team to the next level.
33:48
I'm gonna give him credit, I bashed him not seven
33:51
minutes ago. Sam Darnold's a bridge quarterback.
33:58
Got him to one seed, hosting playoffs until the
34:02
Super Bowl. So sometimes it works out. You get
34:06
that guy, he rises that momentum. Go ahead. Yeah,
34:09
we don't know if it works out yet. No, no, no,
34:13
I'm saying the success that the Seattle Seahawks
34:17
have had, He's already earned this year's salary.
34:22
He's already earned it. They exceeded expectation.
34:25
They won the toughest division in all of football
34:28
and got the one seed and get to host a playoff
34:34
game. That's a success for them. They weren't
34:37
expecting this. Yeah, again, I'm not a fan of
34:40
him, but he's on a better path than a Daniel
34:46
Jones. I agree. Even with all the turnovers,
34:51
all that. Last year, even with his 2025 season
34:56
with the Vikings, he proved that. I agree. Yeah,
34:59
he's proven that he can perform in the regular
35:02
season. And now we're just saying, will it happen
35:05
in the playoffs? But you're right. For the most
35:09
part, yeah, he's earned his contract. I'm with
37:07
you. All right. Let's move on. Another team slash
37:12
quarterback. What are they going to do? The New
37:17
York Jets and Justin Fields. They benched him.
37:24
They blamed him. You know, I don't know what
37:27
they're going to do. I don't know who's going
37:29
to go play quarterback there. The Raiders have
37:32
the first pick and I haven't even gotten to the
37:35
Raiders. But we can go ahead and throw them in
37:37
there. We know what they're going to do, but
37:38
for the most part, they're going to draft Fernando
37:41
Mendoza. If you haven't heard, Dante Morse, his
37:46
only competition is staying at Oregon for next
37:48
year. So that knocks him out. I saw that. I heard
37:51
that. Yeah, that's rough. So the quarterback
37:54
class in this coming draft is going to be really
37:58
low. Mendoza will be the Raiders. So the Jets,
38:01
I don't know that the draft is where they're
38:03
going to find their next quarterback. So I don't
38:05
know what they're going to do. I don't know if
38:08
Justin Fields stays there under his contract
38:11
to battle with someone. He's been given three
38:16
teams already. Can he do a Daniel Jones, Sam
38:20
Dornan, and all of a sudden make that jump? I
38:24
don't know. He's a dual threat. I don't know
38:28
if Aaron Glenn's the right guy to get him to
38:31
the next level, but - Okay, I really have nothing
38:37
for the Jets. I mean they're they're one of the
38:39
worst franchises right now They're the word one
38:41
of the worst teams. They're one of the worst
38:43
seasons in the history of the NFL no interceptions
38:46
and they need a quarterback and They're gonna
38:51
end up with I feel like they're gonna end up
38:54
maybe being that team that Just reaches and grass
38:59
and gets desperate and we brought up those two
39:02
names Kyler Murray into a tug of a little it's
39:05
Hell they're better than Justin Fields Let's
39:10
swing big and we'll take the biggest name that's
39:12
out there. That's a possibility, right? Yeah
39:16
Yeah, I I don't know what the Jets are gonna
39:21
do and the the one thing is I Mean it's hilarious
39:27
There's only two teams in like all of NFL history
39:32
that have a terrible track record when it comes
39:34
to like getting great quarterbacks and the Browns
39:38
are number one with a bullet and the Jets got
39:41
to be number two. Like they just can't get it
39:44
right. And even when they do get it right, it
39:47
doesn't last long. You know, and especially in
39:51
recent years, like it's just this, this terrible
39:56
decision at the terrible decision at the bad
39:58
draft pick after bad signing. And it's kind of
40:02
like they're stuck in a rut. Yeah. I'm going
40:05
to say something that I don't know how deep you've
40:12
looked into the potential quarterbacks that are
40:17
available for the draft. Obviously there are
40:18
going to be a ton of quarterbacks that enter
40:19
the draft that we never thought or heard of.
40:22
For sure. But if you're the Jets, I say you just
40:26
go get the best talent that you've seen perform
40:29
at a high level in the college ranks and just
40:32
sign them to anything. You don't have anything
40:34
else to lose and see who can cut the mustard
40:38
enough to earn a starting job. I love Diego Pavia
40:42
from Vanderbilt, dude. And the scouting report
40:46
is that he won't even, he'll be a late round
40:50
draft pick to an unrestricted free agent signing.
40:54
If you're the Jets, just take a fifth rounder
40:57
and grab them. Just get them on a real cheap
41:00
$750 ,000 a year contract. and just get somebody
41:04
who plays with passions. And I know he gets a
41:09
bad rap for his attitude and all that stuff.
41:11
You can coach that shit out of him in the NFL,
41:14
because they'll get you out. You will be Jamarcus
41:16
Russell in this motherfucker. They're going to
41:18
get you out of here. You have a bad attitude.
41:20
You can't play at this level. I just think they
41:23
need to go get somebody like that, a spark plug.
41:26
Okay. What about a Carson Beck? Cuz believe it
41:39
or not, a few seasons ago, he was like, well,
41:44
this guy, he's gonna be the top pick of the draft
41:46
if he goes to the NFL. And then he kinda, again,
41:52
I keep using this word, fizzled, a little bit
41:54
at Georgia, right? I think he got hurt as well.
41:57
And then, of course, ended up at Miami. I mean,
41:59
he's been into college for a decade, but - So
42:02
he's he's had enough, you know big -time college
42:05
games That maybe by now he's ready for the NFL
42:09
He's he's he's one of the older quarterbacks
42:12
that will be going into the league and he's playing
42:14
for a national chamber Let me ask you this Do
42:22
you think Do you think that Someone else will
42:28
drive Carson Beck in rounds one or two. I think.
42:37
Now, I think he makes it past round two. I think
42:42
teams will be drafting quarterbacks higher than
42:44
they should be. OK, you damn do see you nailed
42:49
it. That's exactly what I was going to say. Yeah,
42:52
the only way to get him is to get him earlier
42:55
than you should. But it doesn't mean that you
42:58
shouldn't just go get them Yeah, I think in the
43:01
Jets, you know, they got some draft picks they
43:04
may make a trade and that's gonna get to a name
43:06
later, but They've got to really like you said
43:11
try to trade for the best quarterback they can
43:15
possibly get And or like you said hell we suck
43:21
already let's give a young let's give the who's
43:24
the next best guy Do you know let's really get
43:26
our scouts and who's the next best quarterback
43:28
in the draft outside of Mendoza? Do you know
43:32
what? When you mentioned trade just then I was
43:36
sitting here and I'm thinking The only trade
43:39
options for them are unconventional style quarterbacks
43:43
guys that don't fit the prototype Which is what
43:46
they've had You know throughout their organization's
43:50
history in the last couple of years outside of
43:52
Aaron Rodgers Kyla Murray, like you think about
43:56
the names that we've kind of mentioned that are
43:58
available. Kyla Murray, Kirk Cousins, you know,
44:02
Tua. I mean, even if you think about some of
44:04
the veteran coaches, I mean, Russell Wilson's
44:06
still out there. Like I'm a coaches, uh, veteran
44:09
quarterbacks. True. Yeah. He could be, you know
44:12
what I mean? They're all undersized. They're
44:14
all flawed. I didn't even have him. Yeah. I didn't
44:17
even bring, I didn't have him on my list. I'm
44:19
crazy. Yeah. I think. Yeah. And that's what I
44:21
mean. Like we forgot about him that quick, but
44:24
yeah. But again, he's like an Aaron Rodgers to
44:26
me. He's gonna keep a seat warm like in Kansas
44:29
City or Indianapolis until their guy comes back.
44:33
Got it. But the big name trade that is kind of
44:38
out there, like Joe Burrow. If you're gonna swing,
44:44
Jets have got to swing big. They're New York.
44:50
Make the call. At least make the call. I don't
44:52
know if he's really available or wants out. Oh,
44:55
no, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. There's
44:57
as. And just you could just say yes or no. Mahomes,
45:05
Allen. Jackson. A team calls and asked, you know,
45:11
to trade for them. Do you even take the call?
45:15
If someone calls for those three. Yes, to trade
45:20
for them. Miami's calling Baltimore about Lamar
45:23
Jackson. Are they answering the phone? No, they
45:26
shouldn't. Exactly. And I think it's the same
45:29
for Josh Allen. It's the same for Patrick Holmes.
45:32
You couldn't offer me to, you, you got to offer
45:34
me the moon in order for me for, well, that's,
45:38
that's where I differ. I'd give, I'd give up
45:42
some stuff for, I would give up some stuff to,
45:46
to, to move Joe Burrow. Like, if you could give
45:49
me some picks and you know he's disgruntled,
45:53
he's got an injury history, they've underperformed,
45:57
you know, since making a Super Bowl appearance,
45:59
you know, the line is in shambles. Like, they've
46:03
got flaws. Just start all over again. You're
46:06
the Bengals. Who cares? The Bengals are a team,
46:10
man, too, and I don't have them on this list,
46:11
but if they were to trade your borough, they
46:14
got so many holes on defense and other places.
46:18
But they have a lot of talent obviously a receiver
46:21
Chase Brown did well at running back. I think
46:25
if you just get a And I hate then I'm going back
46:29
on what I'm saying, right? I think the Bengals
46:31
are a team that if they got a guy like Daniel
46:33
Jones, you know what I mean? There's enough talent
46:36
around them That they would still be able to
46:39
compete But they'd have better players on the
46:42
other side of the ball on defense if they were
46:44
to get picks And I use them right to to help
46:47
out that team if they were to trade Joe burrow
46:50
But I thought that name was you know it's been
46:52
out there, so I thought Jets why not they had
46:55
Joe Namath get Joe burrow? Okay, what do you
47:00
give up for him? I? Don't know I haven't looked
47:05
to see what the Jets have I think they have They
47:08
got picks Oh, yeah, that's what you got to give
47:11
up. I mean, you got to give up picks. They've
47:13
already given up. They've already given up. Go
47:19
ahead. No, I was just saying, they've already
47:20
get up Gardner and Williams in trades last year.
47:24
So they gave up their best two defensive players.
47:28
So I don't think they give up any more players.
47:31
But I think they've got enough picks to say,
47:33
hey, we need a quarterback. And go from there.
47:39
You take at least a one. Well, yeah, I think,
47:44
I think, I think a one, I think it's three picks
47:47
total one, you know, and three being the highest
47:50
two picks. And then, you know, and then whatever
47:54
you can throw in a fifth or sixth. Yeah. You
47:57
got to get, you got to give me some players with
47:59
very young contracts. Oh, for sure. And like,
48:03
like something, and honestly, maybe even a future
48:06
pick like, like to Like if I'm gonna give up
48:10
that guy that guy who is eight again a franchise
48:14
quarterback Yeah, you won't have you gonna have
48:16
to come up off that bread. You got to give me
48:18
all that Yeah, it's gonna take a lot. I mean
48:21
he's right there like you said you mentioned
48:24
Alan Jackson and he's Right there, but I'd be
48:29
willing right there in that mix Yeah, and but
48:32
I'd still be willing to move him. I don't I wouldn't
48:34
move the other guys. I just wouldn't Yeah, I
48:38
know it's a tough. We'll see if that happens
48:41
Yeah, I got I've got two more things Go. No,
48:46
you're good. So I'm not gonna get into everybody
48:48
cuz I know we were trying to get this episode
48:51
a certain time The Cleveland Browns are gonna
48:55
have a new head coach They they say Deshaun Diddy
48:59
Watson is going to compete for the job with a
49:03
chador Sanders Can they just like I don't know,
49:08
the head coach is gonna come in and I feel like
49:11
he needs to be a fan of Shador rather than Diddy
49:15
Watson. I just feel like why would you continue
49:19
to try to put that guy on the field? I don't
49:21
think, I think, build up your rookie, build up,
49:24
I mean your young guy, he's not a rookie now,
49:26
but build up Shador. Again, did he light the
49:30
world on fire? No, but I also don't think his
49:33
head coach necessarily had his back. Get somebody
49:38
in there who's gonna give him a chance, a real
49:39
chance. He showed enough flashes that he can
49:43
play quarterback in the NFL. So, I mean, I think
49:49
the main question is, what do the Browns do?
49:53
And does Deshaun Watson play again in the NFL?
49:56
And is it with the Browns? I mean, nobody's gonna
49:59
take him, right? I don't think, well - He would
50:05
have to play and then be moved. Like I don't
50:07
think anybody's like, yeah, making like, you
50:10
know what I'm saying? Like making calls. Oh,
50:12
we need to get this guy. I mean, he was, you
50:15
know, terrible. Um, but I'm thinking about the
50:20
Browns and what comes to my mind is you mentioned
50:25
they'll go, they'll have to, they'll have to
50:26
bring in a coach that you hope supports. I don't
50:31
know who that is. And, you know, he's an acquired
50:34
taste, but I do think you're right. I think you
50:36
can find a coach that helps them. But I think
50:39
above anything else, the NFL needs to make sure
50:42
that under no circumstances does another team
50:48
get the rights to, um, what's that NFL show that
50:53
they do? Hard knocks. Hard knocks. It needs to
50:59
be the Browns on hard knocks next season. It
51:03
has to be I mean it it's effortless television.
51:06
It'll be the most watched thing in Brown's history
51:09
It'll be must -see TV, especially if they compete
51:15
week after week everybody will be watching those
51:18
preseason games Like it's a hard knocks wet dream,
51:23
man. Like crazy ratings rights itself. You got,
51:27
they're going to have the social media fun. You
51:29
got Diddy Watson, as you call them. You know,
51:32
you got Shador, young person, vibrant all over
51:36
the internet. Yeah. That's what I'm rooting for.
51:41
Miles Garrett. Yeah. Deep, deep boy. Sac record
51:45
holder. Like, yeah. Like, I mean, and then. whoever
51:49
they bring in is coach. And I gotta think they're
51:52
gonna try to get a good name. Yeah, we'll see.
51:55
I don't know how attractive that job is because
51:58
of the quarterback situation. But if it's a young
52:01
guy, especially offensive minded, again, have
52:04
a little input in Shador, set him up right, use
52:07
these draft picks. They've got two first rounders
52:09
because of the trade with Jacksonville last year.
52:12
So who knows? if they just hit it out of the
52:17
park or they just continue to fail as a franchise.
52:23
I'm just took me a sec took me hold on took me
52:25
a second. I know who to brown should get as a
52:28
head coach. Yes. Who's that? Go get Mike McDaniel.
52:33
Just go get him. God. That would be That's all
52:38
you want. Fantastic television on hard. Yeah,
52:40
that's all you want. You just want. Well, no,
52:44
no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. That's
52:47
on. What? Hold on. That's unfair. Actually, the
52:52
first thing that came to my mind was what I think
52:55
he's capable of doing play calling wise with
52:59
Shador Sanders. Yeah. He would set him up. Um
53:03
but yeah, the gold rim glasses would go good
53:05
with the orange It'd be dope I might dress up
53:11
like him for Halloween All right, I had a couple
53:14
names on here, but I'm gonna get into them. They're
53:16
backups that could be starters. I just have one
53:19
more guy He's not going anywhere His fifth year
53:24
option just got picked up. I Just got a question
53:27
for you. So the Carolina Panthers. They just
53:30
picked up fifth year option on Bryce Young and
53:33
I'm going back to these these terms we used earlier
53:36
and it's Is he a franchise quarterback or a bridge
53:40
quarterback? Because you mentioned, and before
53:45
you go, think about it. But on the episode coming
53:48
up, we already recorded, but we talked about
53:50
Caleb Williams. If he had been on the Panthers,
53:53
which that was their pick, would have been, they
53:56
hadn't made that trade. Would he have won that
54:01
game against the Rams? I think I'm gonna do -
54:04
So I saw this and I've heard this before, someone
54:07
called him a bridge quarterback. And for the
54:11
Panthers, and again, he has played so much better,
54:15
since he got benched last season. There's those
54:20
times, I mean, he definitely can pass, he makes
54:23
some great throws. But then there's times where
54:26
you're like, dude is on his tiptoes, he's having
54:30
to jump. and then he doesn't get anything on
54:33
the ball. You know what I mean? So as good as
54:37
he's been, and he has held his own, and he has
54:40
overcome everything, the criticisms. But again,
54:46
that's that short, small quarterback. Can you
54:49
actually get your team to the next level? And
54:52
again, he did get them to the playoffs. They
54:54
backed in however you want to put it, but he
54:56
did get them first time since Cam Newton. So
54:58
a lot of good and a lot of thing a lot of growth
55:00
a lot of upside going But at the end of the day
55:05
And I say this because we talked about Kyler
55:08
and Tua they both got those five -year extensions
55:12
for over 200 million dollars and I'm like Is
55:17
that's what is that next like kid that be next
55:19
for Bryce young? You're gonna give him 230 250
55:25
million So my question again, is your franchise
55:31
or bridge quarterback? Can't first off and I
55:36
mean this with all sincerity in my heart. I was
55:39
smiling the entire time you were talking, dude.
55:41
That might've been your best segment ever, dude.
55:44
You killed that shit. It was easily your best
55:48
segment you've ever recorded. You were like Eminem
55:52
in the booth, dude. You were cooking. Spaghetti,
55:54
spaghetti. I just wanted to say that. Spaghetti,
55:57
spaghetti. I got jokes and jokes. I got takes
55:59
and takes and takes. I'm gonna go, you asked
56:06
me A or B. is Bryce Young an A franchise quarterback
56:12
or is he a B a bridge quarterback? And I'm going
56:16
to take answer C. None of the above. And answers.
56:20
No answer C is that I don't think he's either
56:24
of those. Okay. But I know he's a starting quarterback.
56:29
Okay. That's good. I like that. He is a starter.
56:32
He's a starter in this league. He has played
56:36
at that level. You've mentioned what he's done
56:38
at his at his size and his limitations and I
56:41
gave him criticism early in this year. I would
56:43
like to see him put some weight on. He lacks
56:46
arm strength to me. Everything has to be positioned
56:50
perfectly for him to get good, hard, tough, pinpoint,
56:55
accurate passes off. And it saddens me because
56:58
all you got to do is get a little bit stronger.
57:00
Some guys are born with it like Josh Allen, but
57:02
for you, you're not that. Drew Brees was able
57:05
to develop that and then he lost it late in his
57:07
career. You can do it. So for me, I know he's
57:12
a starter. I know that he's one of these players
57:15
that you get him on your team and he's going
57:17
to do, he threw that pick this past weekend,
57:21
man. And he had a smile on his face and I'm like,
57:25
I love seeing that from him. He's just like,
57:29
damn it, he smiled. And then he went right back
57:31
out there and went right back down on the field
57:33
and scored on the Rams. The guy is a winner.
57:36
He played in Alabama under Saban. He's one of
57:39
those dudes. He's a guy that, yeah, obviously
57:44
I've changed my opinion on him. I'm just asking
57:46
the question. I don't have one or the other.
57:49
I like your answer that he is a starter in this
57:52
league. I think he could be like Drew Brees.
57:58
I like him rolling out more passing than in the
58:01
pocket. It's gotta be quick. But again, it is
58:06
the elephant in the room always that he is short.
58:09
And like I said, sometimes he has to jump to
58:11
pass, things like that. But at the end of the
58:15
day, he is way tougher than a lot of these other
58:19
guys in the league He takes some hits and to
58:22
be small he holds up and he gets right back up
58:26
and like you said throw the pick He has such
58:28
he's such a good guy such a good attitude Even
58:34
when it's bad, he's still pressing forward. He's
58:37
kind of got like a it's kind of like the Jalen
58:40
hurts but Bryce Young smiles, you know, I mean,
58:45
he's got that mentality Yeah, and yeah, I'm rooting
58:48
for him. I always do I don't blame him for you
58:52
know, they're lost that last week. I blame play
58:55
calling Even when he makes mistakes he bounces
58:58
back. So yeah, I just want to ask the question
59:00
just cuz again He just got his fifth year option.
59:02
I thought it'd be kind of like a somewhat fun
59:05
topic to list Let's talk about Bryce real quick
59:08
while we're talking about quarterbacks Um, I
59:16
don't know. I don't know if I disagree with you
59:20
on any of that, man. Yeah. Like, like it, like
59:24
again, like it was complete. Like, yeah, it all
59:26
makes sense. Um, you know, and, and we've, and
59:30
the other, the other thing that kind of makes
59:31
this, you know, difficult is, you know, we're
59:34
recording this at this point in the season. It's
59:37
so much unknown and things that are going to
59:39
shift. You know, this is, I guess this is our,
59:42
you know, maybe a weaker attempt at some fantasy
59:44
football, but as of right now, these are all
59:47
viable options we're talking about. Yeah. We,
59:49
we didn't name the episode this, but it is kind
59:52
of the way too early again, quarterback carousel.
59:56
We just wanted to get ahead of it, get it out
59:58
there, talk about it. You know, we're still stuck
1:00:01
in football mode, obviously in the playoffs and
1:00:04
super bowl season. So, you know, all these are
1:00:07
like topics and there could be more names added
1:00:10
to this who knows obviously with free agency
1:00:13
and guys getting cut you never know so uh trades
1:00:16
all that nature so we shall see but yeah so good
1:00:20
stuff um that's all i have so um yeah so that's
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