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Cashman loves Yankees running back same roster, HEATED WBC debate, Only 84 wins projected for Brewers? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: So it's cold in many parts of the country. It
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  Speaker 4: enjoy it, and I'll enjoy watching you guys sweat like
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  Speaker 4: Jose Alvarado in a drug test.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's charge, let's charge about.
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  Speaker 3: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: There's an article by Chris Kirshner, who covers the Yankees
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  Speaker 1: for The Athletic, about the team running back essentially the
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  Speaker 1: same roster, and one of the quotes that was picked
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  Speaker 1: out in his hype of the story was from Aaron Boone.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I've been openly willing to challenge anybody that
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  Speaker 1: we don't have a championship caliber roster and team. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I think some people would probably look at that tweet
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  Speaker 1: real quick and be like, wait, the Yankees don't think
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  Speaker 1: they have a championship caliber roster and team.
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  Speaker 3: He's saying, I challenge you if you do.
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  Speaker 1: Not think we have a championship caliber roster and team.
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  Speaker 1: Actually that was Cashman with that quote, but he said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to run with the talented roster of
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  Speaker 1: players that we do have. It's a different year. We're
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  Speaker 1: looking for a different result, meaning a little better result.
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  Speaker 1: Stay tuned to see where it takes us. You've heard
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  Speaker 1: me say many times it doesn't matter what we say,
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  Speaker 1: it matters.
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  Speaker 3: What we do. All that is true, a j.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty vocal on this show about not
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  Speaker 1: running the same thing back. I haven't pointed to the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees on this one. I've been more on the Phillies
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  Speaker 1: over the last few years, and I think I've been right.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about the Yankees running the same
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  Speaker 1: team back that got smacked by the Blue Jays and
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  Speaker 1: the DS.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little different. They don't have Devin Williams, they
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  Speaker 2: don't have Luke Weaver, so there's some difference. Are getting
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  Speaker 2: Garrett Cole back. I mean, offensively, it's very similar to
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  Speaker 2: that team. But if Garrett Cole comes back or don
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  Speaker 2: comes back healthy. They added Ryan Weathers can he'll have
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  Speaker 2: a good offseason in a full season. They have a
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  Speaker 2: full year of Schlitler. Max Freed was great for him
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  Speaker 2: last year. I mean, that's not exactly the same team,
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if I totally agree with that. Offensively, yes,
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  Speaker 2: so far it is the same team. So we'll see
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  Speaker 2: if they can stay healthy and get better in certain places.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know if this is this
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  Speaker 2: has much ado about nothing for me, because they were
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  Speaker 2: pretty good last year. They tie the Blue Jays, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for the most wins in the American League Geese, and
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  Speaker 2: so I don't know. I mean, we'll see a full
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  Speaker 2: year of ben Rice Cabiro, not Volpi at shortstop. Justism
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  Speaker 2: had a nice year. Can Stanton stay healthy? What does
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  Speaker 2: Grisham do? Seam wasn't terrible. I don't know. We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see. It's not terrible team. I think they're pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: They have a chance. All they gotta do is get
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  Speaker 2: in right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, everybody's projections are all based on the numbers
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  Speaker 4: that you're able to manipulate.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: I think weighted runs created is a fair way of
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  Speaker 4: evaluating a team's offense. It is just it's one of
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  Speaker 4: the ways you can do ops plus. But it's different
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  Speaker 4: when it's a whole team. All that stuff, and that's
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  Speaker 4: all we have to go on right now. And they
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  Speaker 4: were number one in the league last year. There's no
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  Speaker 4: reason to say they're gonna have a regression this year
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  Speaker 4: because Aaron Judge is a year older, Ben Rice is
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  Speaker 4: a year older, Stanton's a year old. Yes, I get it,
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  Speaker 4: like all those things. While did everybody just have a
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  Speaker 4: career year, I choose to believe not everybody just had
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  Speaker 4: a career year. But Grisham was up, Jazz Chisholm was up,
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  Speaker 4: Cody Bellinger had one of his good years. Again, does
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  Speaker 4: he decline for a year like he's been like year
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  Speaker 4: one year off kind of thing?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: I think the collection of the entire team together, while
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  Speaker 4: they are probably too left handed, I would say it's
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  Speaker 4: probably fine in Yankee Stadium because everyone says, oh, lefties
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  Speaker 4: play well in Yankee stadium. That's whatever. I don't believe
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  Speaker 4: that that's necessarily the case. That's great just for lefties,
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  Speaker 4: but maybe they're a little susceptible to facing a Red
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  Speaker 4: Sox this year with Crochet and Ranger going back to
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  Speaker 4: back left in two games of a series like these
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  Speaker 4: are all like specific moments. I still think they are
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  Speaker 4: a championship caliber team. They proved it last year. The
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  Speaker 4: issue is.
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  Speaker 2: Can they win in the big moment?
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  Speaker 4: Can Judge have the same type of postseason that he
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  Speaker 4: had last year, Can somebody else step up in the postseason,
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  Speaker 4: or as Scott Brown says about the Phillies, are they
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  Speaker 4: just a regular season team. That's all you can produce.
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  Speaker 4: That's all you can create. You create the best team possible.
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  Speaker 4: And people are gonna say, well, they strike out too much.
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  Speaker 4: If they would have gone out to get a free agent,
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  Speaker 4: or they would have gone out to trade for somebody,
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  Speaker 4: they would have traded for somebody that strikes out and
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  Speaker 4: hits home runs. That is where they're making their bed
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  Speaker 4: and it's proven that it creates runs. And that's the
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  Speaker 4: point of baseball. To diminish the other team from scoring
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  Speaker 4: and to create as many runs as you can possibly create.
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  Speaker 1: But don't you want balance. I'm just playing Devil's advocate here.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you want more? What less strikeouts?
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  Speaker 3: Really? Just less strikeouts. Don't you want to what the
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  Speaker 3: team that did to you?
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  Speaker 2: Did you want wins? That's it can from the Yankees
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  Speaker 2: have had with their offense the last few years. As
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  Speaker 2: they can manufacturer runs, it's home runner nothing, it's home
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  Speaker 2: runner strikeout, home runners strikeout. There's not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: in between. It's literally been home runner strikeout for the
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  Speaker 2: Yankees last few years. That's why the record and extra
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  Speaker 2: innings hasn't been very good right now. When they and
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this, and I mean this with all the
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  Speaker 2: respect in the world, all the respect in the world,
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  Speaker 2: Yankees do a lot of damage off four fifth starters
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  Speaker 2: and they always have. Listen, all the way back. That
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  Speaker 2: was one of the big things when you played the Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: when I first came up two thousand, ninety eight, ninety nine,
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and they had their dynasty going right, it
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  Speaker 2: was man, we got to keep our A starters in
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  Speaker 2: the game and our A relievers because they do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of damage. And that's not a knock on them.
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  Speaker 2: That's how you make your money. In baseball, Okay, nobody
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  Speaker 2: hits the aces, nobody hits the best, right, But the Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: what they've run into in the postseason is high strikeout
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  Speaker 2: guys and guys that can keep them in the park.
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  Speaker 2: And when they've had that, they've run into the problems now.
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  Speaker 2: But I love them to go out and sign somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely do I think it's going to happen. Probably not,
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  Speaker 2: And that's fine. If they think this roster is good enough,
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  Speaker 2: go get him, Yankees. I think this roster is good.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that. I'm gonna say it's a great roster.
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  Speaker 2: But they got to figure out a way to cut
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  Speaker 2: down on the strikeouts. If you listen Anthony Volpi, they've
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  Speaker 2: three years now, here's what he is. Unless he cuts
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  Speaker 2: down on his strikeouts and becomes a different player, that's
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  Speaker 2: what he's gonna be. He's gonna hit you twenty, he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna hit two fifteen, steal some basses when he hit singles.
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  Speaker 2: That's it, right. But they unless they change, which are
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  Speaker 2: not because they have the same team, They're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a high strikeout, high home run, all or nothing kind
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  Speaker 2: of team. And that's it. There's nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 2: In today's game.
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  Speaker 4: We had Alex call on the other day, and nobody's
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  Speaker 4: gonna say, well, Yank, you should have picked up Alex Call. No,
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  Speaker 4: the conversation we had about was when he went over
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  Speaker 4: to the Dodgers, they said, we love how you control
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  Speaker 4: the zone. But what's one thing that they want him
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  Speaker 4: to work on when he gets an advantage counts taking
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  Speaker 4: those shots as a hitter. If you want to come
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  Speaker 4: up bait in certain situations and only takes one situation
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  Speaker 4: to come up baby, that can sway an entire series.
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  Speaker 4: You have to be able to have some adjustability. That's
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  Speaker 4: where I think the Cody Bellinger signing is a little
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  Speaker 4: bit under the radar because we'll talk about it later.
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  Speaker 4: Boonie's like, oh, yeah, you know, we'd love his defensive versatility.
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  Speaker 4: He's not afraid to cut down his swing. Judge, I
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  Speaker 4: think has made some adjustments while his strikeout rates have
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  Speaker 4: slowly ticked down, He's made some adjustments to be able
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  Speaker 4: to put the ball in play, to be able to
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  Speaker 4: make contact. But to what detriment that is. Nobody has
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  Speaker 4: any idea. Obviously, it's not a detriment to judge the
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  Speaker 4: reigning MVP, but it is something that as a team
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  Speaker 4: in those big spots, Can Jazz Chishlm stop taking the
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  Speaker 4: exact same swing path if they don't hit his barrel?
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  Speaker 4: Can Trent Grisham cover the outer half of the plate
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  Speaker 4: if they never give in and never come in. Because
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  Speaker 4: in the playoffs, you're going to face the guys that
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  Speaker 4: AJ was saying, You're gonna face one and two in
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  Speaker 4: the rotation.
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  Speaker 2: Some teams maybe three.
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  Speaker 4: But they're getting them out of there real quick, and
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  Speaker 4: then they're going one, two, three in the bullpen the
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  Speaker 4: entire playoffs. So when the Dodgers made the when the
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  Speaker 4: Dodgers made the change where they were like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they just couldn't get over the hump. They were getting
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  Speaker 4: to the playoffs and they weren't able to make the change.
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  Speaker 4: It was a concerted effort knowing that, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: we may have to go out of the zone a
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  Speaker 4: little bit in the playoffs. We may have to chase
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  Speaker 4: those pitches on the corner out of the zone, meeting
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  Speaker 4: out of their hitting zone and not just wait for
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  Speaker 4: the perfect pitch middle middle, and they can do damage.
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  Speaker 4: And you look at the change that they made, I
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  Speaker 4: mean at the end of at the end of the
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty four season, we were like, can the Dodgers
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  Speaker 4: get it done? Now we're looking at back to back
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  Speaker 4: and I think the Yankees have the talent, not Dodgers talent,
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  Speaker 4: but they definitely have the talent to be a championship
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  Speaker 4: caliber team.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Aaron Judge Scott led, I'm at one point,
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  Speaker 2: this was late in the year. He had the most
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  Speaker 2: swinging miss miss is in all of Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 2: But his strikeouts have gone down because he walks more. Right,
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  Speaker 2: But he still swings and misses, but when he hits
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  Speaker 2: the ball, he does so much damage. Like if you
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  Speaker 2: have that guy, fine, right, let he won a batting title, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he hit I don't know, fifty homers, whatever
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  Speaker 2: he did. You know he had an unbelievable year. Right,
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  Speaker 2: he still swings and misses. That's fine. But now what
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  Speaker 2: I think, and we noticed it in the postseason, he
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  Speaker 2: has the ability now to change his swing a little
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  Speaker 2: bit and put the ball in play, which is what
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  Speaker 2: you need. Listen, It's fine to have homer, homer, homer,
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  Speaker 2: but you got to have what you said about Cody Bellingerkratz,
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  Speaker 2: a guy that can manipulate his swing in his path
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  Speaker 2: and when you need to, Hey, I got to put
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  Speaker 2: the ball in play here with the runner on third
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  Speaker 2: and one out, Boom, I hit a ground ball to
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  Speaker 2: short drive in that run. We move on. We got
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  Speaker 2: to run.
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  Speaker 1: The beating up on the fourth and fifth starter. Thing
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  Speaker 1: is great, it creates more wins.
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  Speaker 3: It's what you should do.
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  Speaker 2: It's what good teams do. It's actually what great teams do.
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  Speaker 2: It's what the Dodgers do. It's all the listen, nobody.
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  Speaker 2: When you face Trek Scooble, when you face Paul Skiings,
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  Speaker 2: when you face you know, Garrett Cole at his prime,
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  Speaker 2: When you face these number ones, you're like, Okay, we
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  Speaker 2: need our picture to pitch really well because we might
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  Speaker 2: get one, maybe two if we're lucky, and if he
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  Speaker 2: has a terrible night, we're gonna get I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: three or four, baby, right, but you need your guy
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  Speaker 2: to lock them down. Now. When you face the guys,
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  Speaker 2: the guys with the four and a half just five
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  Speaker 2: and a half era, those are the guys who gotta
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  Speaker 2: do damage too, and the good teams do it. They
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  Speaker 2: take advantage of. We used to call it the underbelly
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  Speaker 2: of a team, right, those middle leavers that aren't the
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  Speaker 2: late guys, but they're not the starters. They're the kind
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  Speaker 2: of the underbelly weed to say, if we can get
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  Speaker 2: to the underbelly, we can do damage. Easier said than done,
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  Speaker 2: but that's what the great teams do. Wait j there,
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  Speaker 2: But how do you get to those How do you
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  Speaker 2: get to the early You get to start out early
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  Speaker 2: usually or and then it also compiles too. You have
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  Speaker 2: to understand, like if you get to start early in
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  Speaker 2: the series, then they got to go to guys in
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  Speaker 2: different times, and then by the time if you're playing,
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  Speaker 2: especially if you're playing a seven game series, by the
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  Speaker 2: time you get to games three and four, yes, I
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  Speaker 2: know there's an off day, but you're gonna guys start
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  Speaker 2: wearing down. And we've we've seen it over the last
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  Speaker 2: few years. Guys wear down.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're waiting for your money pitch from an
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  Speaker 1: elite starter, it might never happen.
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  Speaker 3: And that is the differential.
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  Speaker 1: Your regular season numbers might look exceptional because you are
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  Speaker 1: beating the crap out of the pitchers that you're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to beat up, but it's a very different look when
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  Speaker 1: you're facing an elite starter in a postseason game. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying it's just them. There are many other factors
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  Speaker 1: like this with other teams too. But we saw this
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  Speaker 1: with Detroit pretty swing and miss team. You saw them firsthand.
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  Speaker 1: AJ They were just waiting for a homer, the most
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  Speaker 1: part right, waiting for it.
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  Speaker 2: But I say to Hinch at the at the award
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  Speaker 2: show we did last weekend, I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because we had them on in winter meetings, I said
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  Speaker 2: over it, and He's like, yeah, you know, I'm getting there.
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  Speaker 2: We're about to go turn the page at spring training.
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  Speaker 2: And I just said, if y'all just could have got
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  Speaker 2: one hit, one ball in play, just anywhere in that
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  Speaker 2: fifteen inning game, you guys move on and play the
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  Speaker 2: and play the Blue Jays, but you never, like I
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  Speaker 2: think at one point they had first and third and
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  Speaker 2: nobody out and Bias hit a week round ball to
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  Speaker 2: third and the Mariners got out of that inning, right,
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  Speaker 2: But if you could have just had anybody one through
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  Speaker 2: night other than Kerry Carpenter in that game, because everybody
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  Speaker 2: else was out except Kerry Carbon who, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: owns George Kirby to an extent of I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I've ever seen anybody own somebody like that, but
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  Speaker 2: anybody else in that team, if they just could have
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  Speaker 2: put the ball in place somewhere and done anything, you know,
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  Speaker 2: small ball, bunt, whatever it takes. I don't know, it
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  Speaker 2: could have been a different series. But you know what,
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees love their team. And you know what, if
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  Speaker 2: you don't go into spring training and say I love
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  Speaker 2: our team, especially a team like the Yankees, then you're
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  Speaker 2: doing some wrong. So I give him kudos for saying it.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, I was thinking the postseason, you need you need
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  Speaker 1: a contact guy, right even I mean, you want contact
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  Speaker 1: and slug. But the Blue Jays had a contact guy
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  Speaker 1: who went off for almost the entire postseason.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Look at the stats, the stats from the Blue
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  Speaker 4: Jays lineup compared to the stats from the Dodgers lineup
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  Speaker 4: for the World Series.
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  Speaker 2: Who won? That's all that matters. Who ended up winning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying in prior rounds it stood out
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  Speaker 1: for them. So maybe Luisa Rich signs with the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: so they don't run into that problem again.
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  Speaker 3: One guy plus, what.
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  Speaker 2: Where's he gonna play?
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  Speaker 3: D H.
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  Speaker 2: No torkleson?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, fine, all right, we're back.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Let's go over some bed MGM futures and we'll spin
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: the wheel and we will land on and over under
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: and Crats, I bet it's going to be in the
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: mid eighties.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Oh it is.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: It's the Brewers eighty four and a half wins. They
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: had ninety seven wins last year. AJ, do you think
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: they're going to drop off by twelve games?
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Even if they do, you'd still hit on your over.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: What about thirteen games?
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: You know why they did this. They did this because
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: we have this conversation all the time about the Brewers.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: So normally I would say under, just because you know
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: they're due for a falloff. They're due. They've traded Freddy Peralta,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: They've lost this, they've lost that. But you know what's screwing.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going over because they go over every year. So
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say over just to make Crats happy,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: even though I really think they are due to maybe
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: fall off a little bit. I love Murph, I love
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: everything about Matt Arnold. I love the Brewers organization and
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: the way they do things. I just I'm going over
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: just because I don't want to hear from Brewer fans
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: when they do it again.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: It's a much easier over now because it was I
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: think at eighty six and a half or even eighty
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: seven before they traded Freddy Peralta, so they believed in it.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think Freddy Peralta is a three win pitcher.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: I think it's it's not direct correlation if you would
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: have said maybe one or two. So I'm still believing
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: in the over and that's not Homer in me because
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna make a bold statement and say they might
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: not make the playoffs, but I think they will be
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: over eighty four wins.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Really, so you think they'll win eighty five or eighty six,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, once you start getting too the high eighties,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: you're pretty much a lock.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: These days, I think I think they're right at the
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: eighty six eighty seven where they originally had them, because
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I think it's a lot of not saying this about Freddy.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of their value from pitching is
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: found in the fact that they have good pitchers, but
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: that their defense really really does a good job of
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: optimizing the most outs above average at different positions than
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: other teams do without having that, Like Nolan Aeronado person
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I get it. Bryce Bryce drang is legitimately a short
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: stop playing second base, and there's a lot of value
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: saw that with the Guardians. They found a lot of
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: value in Andre Semenez playing second base for years now.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: He's gonna play shortstop for the Blue Jays. So's there's
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: different things that the Brewers do that I think helps
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: their pitching. And I still think that's just how you win.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Base running and defense are core aspects to being able
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: to win games, besides hitting home runs and pitchers striking
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: everybody out.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Eighty three wins got you a playoff spot last year.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that it looks different. I think eighty six.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I think there's a chance eighty six doesn't get you in. Okay,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: the teams at the top. The teams at the top
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: have improved and middle tier teams I think have gone lower.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: So I think there's gonna be a disparaging difference, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: there could be a there could be a chance that
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: you don't have that collapse like the Mets had and
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: the Reds get in.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: We've had so many over unders, we've gone over in
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the mid eighties. Are we hitting enough unders.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Well? The teams you've you've given us so far have
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: all been good teams. Give me the Marlins give me
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the team under on. Give me some teams I can
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: go under on, I'll go I'm happy to go under.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: We're gonna start digging for unders for you.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that's give me the White Sox eighty five,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I'll go under.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Well, no, not at the mid eighties.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: We're just you said, they're all mid eighties. Give the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: under on, Scott.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying on the mid eighties team, the legit
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: mid eighties teams that are placed that MGMs.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Aren't gonna win eighty five games. But I'm saying over
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: just so fansy me alone.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Well, that's not how the game works.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I think that's pretty much how you play the game.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: That is playing the game.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: That is playing the game, but that's not really playing
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the game.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not throwing cash down on the Brewers
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to win eighty five games, are you?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: How do you know? I'm not telling you what I
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: do with my money. It's then your business. I don't
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: care what you do with your money.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: That's what we do this segment every day.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I just said, and I just said, I just said, I.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Think it's safe to say this a j since we've
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: disagreed on everything today.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You have bad opinions. You know what they do that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Sure disagree on that, but I would say when we
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: pick our three or five locks heading into the season,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and we usually pick regular season win totals, could be
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: playoff appearances, whatever, right, we've done that, it's safe to.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Say that the Brewers will not be on your list.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Either way. This is not a high confidence.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Power for you. No, this is a very low confidence Yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: See, I just want to make sure we keep doing
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that because we go over so many futures, and the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: key is we are not placing bets on every future.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: We are telling you which one we really like and why,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: or if it's close, we're telling you why. So maybe
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you feel really good about a team and then we
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: feel okay, and then you feel better about that pick,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: or we both feel great about something which rarely happens
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: these days, and then.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Feel a little bit more comfortable that way.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: My point is, Kratz, I think I've done this with
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: at least half of our over unders. I don't love them,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and you leave them alone. You just pick a few
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that you like and then you follow those. It's almost
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: like a fantasy baseball team that you put together for
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the year. Right, you've got your favorite team, and then
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: for me, I enjoy this aspect. I'll pick a few
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: horses and I try and usually do. If I'm doing three,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: which is my average on this, I'll take two overs
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and an under, and then I follow it all year
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: like a horse race.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: That's all I have.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: What's your over? What's your vector? Victor, I'm not.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: But I am usually the guy.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I picked the bruis to when the division last year,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and I yes, yes.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I did last week.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: No, I picked the Reds.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Last year, you picked the Reds. I picked the Brewers.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: And my reason why I.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Had I don't remember if I had the Cubs or
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the red I think I had the Cubs. And last second,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: when we actually submitted our picks, I went Brewers and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: my explanation was, I don't see it, but they're going
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: See that's confident.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you. But I had to.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I just I felt like somehow they were still going
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to pull it off. I guess the only thing I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: was looking at was is this division that good? And
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think last year we learned not really, I mean
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it was okay. The Brewers were great, and then the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: rest of the teams were either okay or terrible? Is
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the division that much better? The Cubs are better, for sure.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I like the offseason they've had. I think they're going
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to be a real threat. You lose Freddy P. You
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: add Edward Cabrera. I'm saying the brewis lose Freddie P.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: You add Edward Cabrera, You remade your bullpen that was
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: already pretty good. But I think that they made some
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: pretty serious additions that will help them. And then of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: course the Alex Bragman signing. The Cubs should be a
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: better team this coming season. Pirates should be a little
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: bit better.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Red's probably better.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know better.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Cardinals are going to be way worse.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I just don't listen. I think the Brewers are great.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: We love Pat Murphy. I just don't know that they
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: win ninety seven games again.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: No no chance. I mean, I'm taking the under on
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that one, but eighty four and a half to ninety seven,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it's a big gap. I think I would not be
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: surprised if they went in the high eighties. I don't
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: think most people would be surprised. Brandon Woods might.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they win
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: in the high eighties. I wouldn't be surprised if they
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: go five hundred.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Me too, that's where they stand.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: That's what a swing that they could have. Let's say
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: they lose somebody to injury. God forbid, they lose somebody,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: and I know, you know, Churio or yell at your
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you know, whoever you wanted, Wilson, William Contrere's Wilson, Sorry,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: William Contrera's. They lose somebody, that is like they can't
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: really figure out a way to make up for their loss.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Then you could see him really falling off, but then
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you could see everything comes together again. And I'm winning
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: eighty eight, eighty nine games. So it's a I don't know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: They're the one team that has probably for me, bigger
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: swings than almost anybody else.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And as crazy as it is, that's only like a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: six or seven game swing. Right you're saying, I could
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: see them being five hundred. That's eighty one wins. We're
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: talking about. Can they get to eighty seven or eighty
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: eight wins?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Close?
• 25:00
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• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, there was a sit down conversation with Mark de
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Rosa and Ken Rosenthal.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Ken asked him about Team USA. What's it looking like.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: We'll pick out a few notable parts of the conversation.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Number one.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Ken asked him about the restrictions on pitchers and if
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that has changed, and how he's going to handle it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I remember De ro talking about how he wanted to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: handle it differently this time around, because it is very
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: difficult to coordinate with teams. Team USA has this tougher
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: than everyone else. For some reason, it is tougher for
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: teams with American players to let them go. You think
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Crats, We can start there before I even
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: dive into this. I think it's a tougher conversation when
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you are the Dodgers and you're trying to hold back
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: they're not. But if you're trying to hold back Yamamoto,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: it sounds like they might want to hold back Otani
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and it's like, sorry, we're playing for Team Japan. I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: think for some reason there's a stigma with the USA
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: team with pitchers.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with me aj that it's tougher for
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: the USA.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Guys, yes than other countries.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I agree.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I agree with that they're for.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Some reason, it's like this is my country, and then
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: for USA it's like it's not that it's not a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: USA pride thing, it's just the teams feel more entitled
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to say no, so.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: They're able to say no because maybe the like I'm
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: not sure the word I'm looking for, Like there's more
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: like honor in the Japanese pitchers pitching you're saying, Or
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: there's more honor in a Dominican pitcher pitching for the
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: DR Is that what you're saying.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I think it's clearly run by the US.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: It's a US event, and for some reason, being that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: there's so many players from the States, they just feel
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: like they can say no to their pitcher not participating.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I think it also steam rolls a j Do you
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: feel that too, Where it's.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Like we gonna say there's more options for USA, I
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: feel like and so because they have more options, I
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: think they're more inclined to say no. Not that not
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: that it's right or wrong, but I agree. Mark even
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: wrote this in the chat. There's more players, I ad,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: more pitchers available, and I and I think that that's
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: why teams are a little bit more incin like a well, Schoobo.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: If we say no to Schoobl, they can just go
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: grab somebody else from another organization because there's more options,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: whereas Japan doesn't have as many options that we know of.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: In the US right, especially in Major League Baseball, Dominican
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: is all. The Dominican guys are like, I'm going to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: play for my team at all costs. Venezuela the same way,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and a lot of Americans feel the same way. It's
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: just there's more options. I think maybe because we know
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: their names. I don't want to say that USA has
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: all more stars than other countries at all, because it's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: not true. Shohy Yamamoto, Dominican team has loaded. Venezuelan team
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: is good. A lot of teams are good. But I
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: just think that there's more options, especially from the pitching side.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So with all of that being said, when dro Is
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: asked about the pitching restrictions, he said, it's still going
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to be there. That's why I tried to build it
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: out a little differently so guys had roles. It's also
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: why we added Clayton Kershaw. You go back to the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Mexico game. Last time around, we got caught. There was
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a scenario where Brady Singer had to cover some innings
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: for us, even though it wasn't optimal for him because
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: we weren't going to be able to cover the next
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: next day. And note that Brady Singer, through fifty three
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: pitches in two innings, gave up four runs in that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Mexico game for Team USA, So that stands out. Do
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: we have any comments there? Clayton Kershaw clearly has a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: role mop up man and he'll crush it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: That's great. Kind of gonna be like.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know, kicking back with a beer, watch the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: game and then up you need me. I'll go as
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: many pitches as you want. There's no tomorrow and there's
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: no insurance policy.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I love it. It's a great role. It's a great role.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: They should do this. Let crowds are I be the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: third catcher and you know there's a blowout. Hey, you
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: guys get to run out there and hang out and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: catch a couple of innings, you know, and against some
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: team that either is winning or losing by a lot.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm in d Ro. Call me, call me.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll be your third catcher. Heck,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I might even catch a bullpen. What's a bullpen?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's allowed to call you, but yes,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: it would be great.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I honestly think, Like my mind when when I read
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: this earlier this morning, my mind went to if kers
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Shaw wasn't him, who would they have gone to, Like
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: would they have been like, hey Max, I know you're
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: not signed with a team yet. Hey Verlander, I know
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: you're not signed with a team yet, but we'd love
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: for you to be our.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Mop up guy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I get it they're still playing this year, but like
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: this role, I don't know, that's it's tough, you say,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: lance Lynn.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guys like lance Lynn might get a phone call.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: If Clayton was a better extention.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Seriously, exception right, they could have pud Rodriguez on Puerto
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Rico as a third catcher. Yachty right, I guess Yachty's managing.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: He could be player player manager. Dominican could have like
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: two holes come in to do something. Crats fantasy. It
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: is why not we woult to. It's not a doesn't
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: it's not a you know, it's guys aren't getting paid,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: like their their livelihood on this. It's it's an exhibition.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I thought, it's like the all start game. You should
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: do the Golden at bat, try all kinds of crazy stuff.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: It's not an exhibition. It's not an exhibition. All the
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: talk when you put that uniform on, when you play
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: for Team USA, we are here to win. We are
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: here to do what it takes to win. And so
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: this is where I think the WBC, Hey, it's great
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: for the US. They're able to have Kershall in that role,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: and I think that is a very valuable role. WBC
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: needs to look into like that flexible, more of like
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: a winner ball type of roster flexibility, just because every
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: team is going to have these restrictions on pitchers, not
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: just for Team USA, for other teams, for other countries. Also,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: you can't have you don't want somebody throwing fifty four
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: pitches in two innings. No player would do that. They
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: even change those rules in spring training where now you
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: can throw twenty I think it's twenty pitches. You can
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: come out and then you can come back in and
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: start it again, like the those are exhibition games. In
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: my opinion, these are not exhibition games, and you're not
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: putting a team together as an exhibition type of game.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: They don't mean anything. I mean, listen. Do they want
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to win, absolutely, but they don't mean anything in the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: grand Guys aren't making their livelihood of what they do
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: off Team USA. Listen, is it awesome? One hundred percent.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I love love, love, love love love the WBC. I
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: love MLB players in the Olympics. I like all that stuff.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I want all that stuff because playing for your team
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: your country should matter. But at the end of the day,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: when I say exhibition games, I mean, guys aren't getting
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: their salary from this. These stats don't matter when they
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: go to arbitration. These aren't you know, the owners of
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the teams aren't aren't going like, oh man, I can't
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: believe that. You know, Trey Turner hit that Grand Slam
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: against Venezuela in twenty twenty three. Let's pay them five
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: million dollars extra. Like, No, this is exhibition as in Pride,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: just like the All Star Game is an exhibition. You
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: want to win. But that doesn't mean it's not an
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: exhibition game. Mm hmmmm.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's looked at as importantly as a playoff game.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Agreed, Mmmm, MLB as an MLB playoff game.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's not looked at that by front office.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, like MLB playoff game. Then we should do it
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: at a different time of the year and run it
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: where teams have full access to all the pitching. If
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you're saying that this is the level of an MLB
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: playoff game, then let's run this in the middle of
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the summer when everybody's hot. This is as close as
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you get.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is, but don't trust that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I mean it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I'm saying it with my chest.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It's It's as important the players take it as seriously
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: as a playoff game with their performance. They are not
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: looking at it like the All Star and the All
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Star Game is Funsie, This is not also.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Your can't it affects your Actually, the also game affects
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: your career more than the WBC does because at the
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: end of your career, people say he's a seven time
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: All Star. They don't say he was a three time
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: WBC player. They say he was a three time All Star.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: He was a gold medal winner.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: But that's that's regular team.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're talking about the event itself, not the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: lead up to it, not getting selected to the event,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the event itself. I think four players means as much
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: as a postseason game WBC.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. Let's do it in the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: middle of the season. I'm fine with that. They're going
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to try to do that with the Olympics.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Listen, I love the WBC. Nobody loves it more than me.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I love it. I went, I went to a game.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I went to the Venezuela USA game as one of
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the best games I've ever been to. I'm not I'm
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: not saying that to degrade it. I'm just saying, in
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the grand scheme of people's career, these games don't mean
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the same as a playoff game.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I disagree. I think it means as much as game.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, can you tell me who gave up the home
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: run to keyk Hernandez this year in the Game seven,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I mean not Key Hernanda. Sorry to uh Mickey Rowe
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: in Game seven of the World Series.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: You're gonna play a game with with with my ass
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: on calls all day.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I know that it was Jeff Hoffman, but I'm saying
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: I know what you're about to do.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You're gonna ask me about a specific instance during the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: World Baseball Classic from many years ago.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: That's not fair, is that what you're doing?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Why? Yeah? Now, who gave up the Grand Slam to
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: trade Turner for Venezuel?
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Who gave up?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Who gave up literally anything in twenty twenty four in
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: any game of any kind, including World Series, I don't remember.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Show me a postseason that's I gave up a huge
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: home run twenty twenty four. Go to the postseason. Who
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: gave up a huge home run? We probably can figure
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: it out quicker than you can tell me who gave
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: up the Grand Slam to trade Turner?
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Because it wasn't someone good, Nope.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Because it's not as important as the playoffs. It was
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: a dude that had his jersey completely Convedo, the guy
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: with the angels in a one button left. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I remember Trout versus Otani as much as any Okay,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: since I've been alive.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, you remember that, Yes, because it was teammates, the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: whole deal. I get that one. And plus it was
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the win, that the whole thing that was awesome. I
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: loved it. I hope it happens again. I hope it
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: comes up again where I don't know who's pitching, but
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: teammates are pitching, and Otani's up or trial or not Trout,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: but Judge is up and he's facing his teammate with
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the w b C on line. I think that stuff
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: is unbelievable.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Good debate.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Next part, they still have one spot open. I know
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: many players listen to this show. Now is your chance
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to call Mark du Rosa if you have his number.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Ken asked about the last spot. He said who what
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: do you want? Someone versatile and he said, we're gonna
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: look at it. I had my eye on Cody Bellinger.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I thought Bellinger would serve a perfect purpose for it,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: but him signing with the Yankees, going through everything, he
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: has decided not to do it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: And I completely understand that. So someone in that vein, Okay.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Someone that can play all over the field for you.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You need somebody that can play multiple positions in case
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: something happens.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: It's not. It's a great idea. Here's the issue. Here's
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: the issue is Cody Bellinger's up here. That's why he
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: got the money that he got. Most guys that play
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: all over the field are down here and they don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: want to go to their trying to like scrap and
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: call not to make the team, but to like solidify
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: themselves on the team. Like let's say, like Ernie Clement
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: type of player. I think Ernie Clement's already on the team.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Am I correct on that?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Anyway find out I don't remember, Yeah, to you go
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: to this and play two of the eight games or
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: nine games that are played in the WBC, or do
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: you stay back and play in your spring training games
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: to get ready for the season. That's the hardest discussion
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: I think with finding this last player. It has to
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: be a guy who can handle all these positions. Most
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: likely it will be a veteran, and most likely Cody
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Belger doesn't doesn't need his thirty five to fifty at
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: bats in spring training. He could he could possibly get
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: them playing because he's good enough to play every single
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: day and bounce around all those positions.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Clement is playing cal Brendan Donovan.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Darry have a second basement. Does he want to play sparingly.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Four Team USA or does he want to go to
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: spring training And the team's like, hey, we don't, although
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: it could it could raise elevate his trade status. A
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: team could watch him in these as AJ call exhibition games.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: He hits a couple, gets a couple of big hits,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: and they're like, all right, that's it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Put it over the line. We want to see we
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: want to trade for Brandon Donovan. Nope, you know what
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: they're gonna say. Ernie Clement raked in the postseason. That's
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: why he's on Team USA, not because he did anything.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: If he didn't. If if Ernie Clement did not have
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the postseason that he had, he would not be on
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Team USA. I'm sorry, I agree, you can. You can.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: So then you just made my point that the playoffs
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: are more important. Nobody said they weren't more important. Everybody
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: good said on the same level, the same level, just
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: that the WBC is not an exhibition.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: They are on the level of playoffs, They're not more important.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: You play the whole season, played their whole career to
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: be in the playoffs. That was not the argument at all.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: You called them an exhibition game, exhibition games, which couldn't
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: be farther from the truth. The All Star Game is
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: an exhibition game. This is true international base game.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Give this to the day I died. The All Star
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Game is more important to your career than WBC is.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: So that changed money. You can't change my lot because
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: when you go to the lot, when you go to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the individual career, it's more important.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean crap.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it doesn't matter. I'm not saying this it matters,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: but people don't want to win.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: WBC is much more important to most players. They would
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: have one WBC title than if there's no money involved.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: They I think that's more important.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, winning You just had the Hall We just had
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame debate, right, and all Star games?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: How many All Star Games you made? Is not They
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: don't say, Well, man Andrew Jones played for the Netherlands
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and the WBC when he was forty five years old.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: They say he made eight All Star Games or whatever
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: it was. So no, that's not right.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: You're talking about individuals stuff though these are individuals.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's good. That's how you get paid though in
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: your career that at the end of your career.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not just talking about money.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Did you win a World Series? Yes? Did you win
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: a World Series? Yes or no? Yes? Okay? Did you
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: make the All Star Game? Yes? Right? Those are the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: questions you get asked more than anything. Did you win
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: a World Series? Yes or no?
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Did you ever series that much? For Hall of Fame?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think you think That's One of the first
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: questions that they ask is if a player.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: How did you do in the postseason? How did you
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: do in the Why do you think Andy Pettittts got
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: so much much love? But yes, win World Series? On
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the back of your baseball card, at no point will
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: it ever say he hit three eighty two in the WBC.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: It's a It'll give you your postseason stats, it'll give
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: you your regular season stats, but it'll never say he
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: did this in the I'm sorry, listen I again. I love, love,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: love the WBC. I love it. I think it's freaking
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: awesome for the game, for the players. I love the emotion.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I love when dudes rip their shirt off after they strike,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: guys out, throw their bats, everything they do all their stuff.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: When the Italians have the first cappuccino machine, the team
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Israel had the was the stuff guy in the thing? Like,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: all that stuff is unbelievably cool, right, but it's still
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: an exhibition. It's not real games. Now do they mean
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: as much? Absolutely to the players, but on the grand
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: scheme of things, they are on a lower level.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: They mean more to most of the countries around the world.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And the whole reason I brought this up was that
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: general managers don't give a crap and if it was
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: up to them, nobody would play. And that's why Team
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: USA has to fight through a stigma with their pitchers.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: That was my only point.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I understand it's not helping your Hall of Fame case
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: very much, but the players treat it like the Olympics,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and the Olympics is very important.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: This is all we got as baseball players. It's all
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: we got, right, this is the start of the Olympics.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Not to start another conversation, do the Cardinals let Brendan
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Donovan go and play.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Because of the fact that he could be on the block?
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, they do.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: And technically you're not allowed to tell someone no, you
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: can just make a suggestion. I think it's much more
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: difficult to make a suggestion to a position player. Pitching
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: is the problem. Logan Webb told the Giants, sorry about it,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going anyway. But in most cases, I haven't heard
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: of many position players being denied by their team, aside
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: from insurance.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: That's all too Vay Korea insuring.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Oh the team that was the team denying me going,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm still kind of mad about.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: It, just because I said I'm going.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at this time, we look at this time, I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: understood why we just won the World Series. You know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I caught one hundred and fifty games that year. It
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: was the first one, so nobody really knew how important
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: it was, right, nobody knew what it would become where
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: it is now, right, And that was the team that
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: had Griffy and Chipper and Alex Rodriguez and Jeter and
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I think Roger Clemens and all these guys are on this.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: It was the first one. Nobody realized what it would become.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: And the White said no, and I understood, And but
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I wish I would have gotten to do it, because
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I love the USA and I would have loved it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Put USA on my chest. One of my big regrets
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I never got to play for the for the you
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: in the United States Baseball team. Wasn't my fall. It
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: just didn't work out.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: And that's why here, well, no, if he looks back,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you would have said no. You would have told his team, no,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: But I know this again. This was the first one.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: There was no retailing. It was you don't have a choice,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Buck Martinez, you can't go.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: We're a current player. You would have said, right now
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I had said if I had, if I had a
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: guaranteed contract and I had all the things lined up,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and I already had like like Logan Webb has guaranteed
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: contract and he has all these things locked up already,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I would have been like, I'm going. I don't care.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I'll take my own insurance out on myself if I
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: have to.