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Jane Toppan For the Love of Poison · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey everybody. It's your killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian jr.
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  And this is when Killers get caught a podcast about deep.
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  Dives into the Killer's. We love to learn about every
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  week Brian and I discussed to true crime stories that
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  resonated with us and then I will lead you down the darker
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  path of learning about who a killer was, how they grew up how
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  they killed. And most importantly how they
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  got caught, then Brian ends our podcast, the touch of the
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  Paranormal, a story about Cryptids or just the creepier
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  side of life. And we just want to say thank
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  you for listening so much especially Because we've been
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  selling consists of that year this year because so much has
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  been going on last weekend. Brian, was sick.
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  I ended up subbing in for a documentary and so we just had
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  to push it off. I did make a post on Tick, Tock
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  for those of you, but everybody was like, when's it coming back?
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  Are you coming back? And, yes, the answer is always.
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  Yes. And so this week in True Crime,
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  I will talk about something and it's very relevant to all of us
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  because a lot of people who are here and listening right now,
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  who are people in a true crime and it has been just a bee in my
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  Bonnet for the last two to three weeks as the Jeffrey Dahmer.
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  Netflix show has come out. And I bit my tongue because
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  people are allowed to have their feelings about the show and what
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  not, but it's kind of pissing me off.
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  That it's being called a 10-part docu-series, this is not a
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  documentary, it's a fictionalized account of what
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  happened from what I understand. There's a fair amount of very
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  visceral homosexual scenes that maybe rape not interested in
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  seeing that. And so now that people have
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  watched it and it's been out for a couple weeks or but all these
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  stories news, articles popping up fact versus fiction.
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  What's real? What's not real?
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  In the Netflix Monster Jeffrey Dahmer story and I'm like, well,
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  I'm going to tell you a lots going to be not real because
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  it's not true crime. And this is like a real stickler
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  for me because it's not true crime.
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  If you have to make up details, if you have to fill in gaps with
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  fictional accounts, it's not true crime.
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  It's a dramatic retelling. It's the same as the Gabby
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  potatoes story that's coming out on Lifetime.
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  It's the same as the thing about Pam, that is a, which would
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  episodes season is, Show series. Is it on PC?
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  Yeah, there you go. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I guess it was.
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  What about this is that there was this was supposed to be a
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  peacock production and that got shut down and NBC took over and
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  I'm just like you should have let it die and I get that Renee.
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  Zellweger is the lead character and she's a very great actress.
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  Just like Evan, Peters is a very great actor and I knew that Evan
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  would do he would do Good, well, because he does creepy well.
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  But now people are saying that they combined to different
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  serial killers for the Dahmer. I'm like, they can we even call
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  it a Dahmer. You you combined.
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  His story with somebody else's story.
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  Who do they, who else is it combining with?
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  I'm trying to look for it in this article right now.
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  That somebody said to me ghost, but that they may have gotten
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  some of the like personality traits from a different person.
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  Apparently, they it's interestingly enough that they
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  pair of Netflix, kind of They almost up the negativity of what
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  happened with a ball susac and gab Rush.
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  Those are the two officers, John boxers that can Joseph Gaborik
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  who returned 14 roll Connor acts and fasten phone to Dahmer's
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  house. After he ran away literally
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  bleeding from both his anus and his skull, and they were super
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  hostile to the black women who called it in, and they could
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  continue to be hostile to people who are worried about that kid.
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  And I guess in the In the show, they had the guys become officer
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  of the year that never happened. We didn't need to make that seem
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  more ridiculous than always, what already was.
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  The reality of the situation is that these two cops didn't care
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  about this child. They just listen to what Dahmer
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  said and brought him back into the house where he would later
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  be killed, the issue is that originally the community called
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  for them to be fired and they were they got reinstated.
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  And eventually John Ball Zoo Zack became president of the
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  Milwaukee Police Officers Union and I believe Joseph Gap brush
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  left Milwaukee. I'm probably because of the
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  negativity, I would mean, I would.
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  Yeah, I mean, but the fact is, he should never been a police
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  officer another day in his life, because he did not do his job,
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  because he was kicked out by the potential of it being gay.
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  Yes. You know, we didn't need to
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  change that story though, by itself, it's already horrible.
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  By itself. What happens, there is already
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  unfathomable and disgusting and terrible.
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  We didn't need to try and like umph it up and go.
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  Oh, it's even worse. They got given police officer of
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  the year. Nobody even does those Awards
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  and the thing about Pam was really upsetting, because they
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  interviewed. So people don't know.
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  This is about Pam hop, a woman. She murdered another woman
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  named. Betsy Faria in 2000. 11.
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  And they interviewed Betsy farias daughter and other family
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  members for this. And they were told, the family
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  was told that it was going to be a documentary.
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  Instead, it was turned into a fictionalized story where they
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  made Pam hup like quirky and funny.
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  It was like, what's that movie? That Renee Zellweger did The
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  goofy one with the two British guys who liked her.
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  Oh God. What is that called?
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  It's such a big movie, right? Yeah, it was um, goodness
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  gracious. I haven't seen it.
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  Bridget Jones. There we go.
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  Today, I feel like they made Pam hop, a little Bridget Jones in
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  terms of being like a quirky cool character.
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  And I just feel like I'm just not really a big fan and I know
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  that that comes off as slightly hypocritical because I am
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  someone, I just did the, I did my fifth documentary appear.
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  Hence but the thing about Drew, this for me and the True Crime
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  for this for me is that I don't need to make up monsters.
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  We have real ones. Yeah, they're right here.
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  There every day around us and we are trying to learn about those
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  real monsters right now and we're trying to learn about,
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  like, what made this person do this and and what sort of
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  intricacies happen in their life?
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  And yes, there are things that we've learned from, from
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  researching these people and, and seeing, I mean, that's
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  literally how FBI Filing began because they learn.
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  They looked at the information. They talked to the people.
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  They learned from what happened and they learned patterns on how
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  to find these people. you know, and I think True Crime is still
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  huge because people want to understand humanity and I don't
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  think we need to fictionalize. Any serial killers.
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  I don't need to fictionalize. Ted Bundy with a, you know, cute
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  boy from High School. Musical didn't need it.
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  He's a grown man. Now, he's a grown man.
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  Now I forget his name know, Zac Efron.
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  Yeah, he's a grown man now, but we didn't eat that either.
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  I didn't watch that either and I won't be watching Dahmer, and I
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  won't be watching Gabby Patito. I won't be watching any of these
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  shows because I just, it's just my personal position position.
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  And like I said, I'm sure some people will probably find me to
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  be a hypocrite because I spend literally all of my excess time
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  doing this, but I just feel like this is a separate genre that
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  should not be connected to True Crime in any way because my
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  thought This is right if I make a movie tomorrow about the
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  assassination of JFK, right? He died. 50 years ago, nobody
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  from the original story is in it and it's all my interpretation
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  of what happened that day. That's not a documentary.
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  That's not historically truth. That's just me.
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  Making up a story about the president.
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  Also, I'm sorry if my voice cracks.
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  Today, I started a new job at a new school and my fellow
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  teachers wanted to go out last night and I haven't gone out
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  since before quarantine. So I was out, drinking at an
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  arcade and yelling. Playing like Mario Kart and
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  stuff. Oh God, I won one time.
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  But anyway, I'm done with my story.
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  That's how I feel about it. Welcome to sound off and send us
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  a message. I will even leave a little
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  Spotify question pole. You can tell me if you think
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  that we should be having these fictionalized account or not.
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  But I'm gonna get off my soapbox what?
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  Nothing, nothing I agreed, like, 100% with you on all that.
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  Um, well, speaking of True Crime, my story this week.
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  So apparently, police are still doing some type of investigating
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  on the Moors mortars. Really?
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  I was still trying to find the body.
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  Yes, so nice. Yeah.
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  So British police were contacted by.
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  I guess an author who was researching the death of one?
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  Of the kids, a 12 year old thing was like Keith Bennett.
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  Oh, you know, you know, we pay no way back.
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  February of the first season. Yeah, that was definitely.
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  Our lonely are one of our idea Moors murders was The the couple
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  of killers killer company. Remember the episode number that
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  was season 1 episode 8. Oh goodness.
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  Um yeah so this 12 year old boy who was killed in 1964 as altar.
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  He I guess he's researching about it and, you know, he
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  context British police about it. And he's like, Maybe we like,
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  maybe we may have found something to the police.
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  So please go out to, you know, the Moors of course and they
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  find a body. If I well they find remains
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  human remains out in the Moors. They have been looking for you.
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  Here's yeah, over and over again.
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  Yeah, please say that we were informed that he had discovered,
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  what he believes are potential, human remains in remote
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  location, on the Moors, just like was access late last night
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  and they like this started. They started doing like this
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  reason. He started doing this research
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  like Thursday and he called him on Friday and Friday.
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  Started going out there to do this.
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  This uncovering and stuff, but yeah.
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  It's they're saying it's far too early to be certain that the
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  remains are human. But like, if there are remains
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  out in Moore's, still that have not been found you guys go back
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  and mrs. Episode some really great
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  episode. Oh, I'll tell you what.
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  Yeah, it's really nice. two hours ago, they're out there
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  posting the pictures of them with the blue tents eating Yeah,
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  they're just like, we got nothing.
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  They haven't found. I said, no, physical evidence of
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  a Jawbone or skull. And then, also, on top of that
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  conditions are difficult right now because of the weather.
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  Yeah. But they're going to do their
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  best. Oh, I hope so.
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  Yeah, wasn't okay. So I'm reading is I think it's,
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  it's saying that the last body was like found it in the 80s.
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  He's the only one they never found.
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  Yeah. They've been over time.
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  Been able to Trying to remember because she still alive his
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  mama. No Myra, oh my that's right.
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  She's doing, yeah, he died is still alive.
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  And she went out multiple times to try and show them where she
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  remembered where it could be and they were like Nothing's
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  happening Myra. Yeah and it's a because his mom
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  like keeps mom. He's been in small, she's like a
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  huge red. She's like she was out there.
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  Jake trying to dig up stuff as well.
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  Just searching until she died in 2012.
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  It's just sad part. She died.
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  Never knowing. Yeah.
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  Um, but yeah, that's like a little update on the Moors.
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  Hopefully, it is such a huge area, and yeah, but the thing is
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  like, want bodies, one, two and three were found very close
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  together. At least as far as, you know,
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  and for was fun, this one other big area, but then there's just
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  a huge area. So they moved from their General
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  dumping site. Like, who knows?
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  But yeah, so Leslie and Downey was found in 1965 John, Cale
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  Bryant was phone. 1965. Pauline Reade was found in 1987
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  and that was, I think I was the last one I found.
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  Right? Yeah.
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  So we still have well best of luck and hopefully you guys find
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  them and this is the body that but yeah that's what I Get.
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  That's okay. Yeah.
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  So here's the thing. I spent two weeks talking about
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  a modern-day serial killer And so this week we are rolling back
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  time. To discuss a woman killer from
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  the late 1800s. Early 1900s which seems to be
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  the time when women were just chopping people left and right.
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  Just like I don't know what it was about.
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  The time they were just everybody was getting Yanks.
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  Have you ever heard the name Jane to pay?
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  It's a pain to Ponte pan. I happen not to say your last
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  name. I have not know Well, she is
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  believed to have potentially killed well over 100 people.
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  There's a multitude of hospital. She worked at that.
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  They never knew that she did anything really.
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  And so the well there's a years of her doing weird stuff to
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  patients and well, she admitted to 31 in the end.
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  That's a very big. This is a weird story and it's
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  just gonna be weird and I'm just gonna go for it, okay?
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  Okay. All right.
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  So her she was born on Iraq. Ellie on March, 31st 1854 to
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  Irish immigrant parents, Bridget and Peter Kelly.
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  Her mom died of tuberculosis when she was just a baby and her
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  dad was a very serious alcoholic.
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  People in Boston called him Kelly the crack, as in crackpot,
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  he had a lot of really serious issues and when he was When
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  honor I was about six years old he was just like I cannot take
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  care of children. So he takes on Aurora and her
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  older sister Delia who was 8 and drops them off at the Boston,
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  female Asylum, and Boston female.
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  Asylum was his orphanage for girls.
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  He completely surrendered them and went on to eventually blind
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  himself by selling his own eyes, shut later in life.
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  So that's dad. The Asylum wrote in their record
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  that they had. Rescued these girls from a very
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  miserable home and honor and Delia.
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  They did have an older sister who was in her teens, but she
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  obviously could not take care of two small children, and that
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  older sister. Nellie later, got committed to
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  an asylum for her mental health. So I wonder if she had some of
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  the same problems that her dad did.
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  Now honor is described as having an olive complexion with dark
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  eyes, black hair, Strong Nose, and jaw.
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  She did not fit the mold of the average child, who got adopted,
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  some people thought she was Italian.
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  But being Italian wasn't all that great in the late 1800's
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  and neither was being Irish. So it was exactly getting you
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  treated well and November of 1860 too onerous. 8 and Delia is
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  10. We don't really know much about
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  Delia other than the fact that she eventually ran away from the
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  orphanage to orphanage and cons survival, sex work, and but on
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  Iraq, gets sent to a home, not a foster home or adoption, but as
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  an indentured servant and Lowell Massachusetts, Which blew my
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  mind. I didn't realize that like their
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  thought process was listen. If you don't get adopted, we
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  just sending you to somewhere, you can work.
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  But she ends up working in the house of mrs.
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  Anne see top end. I just apparently, if you were
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  an orphan, you had to pay your own way until somebody adopted
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  you Anaerobic. Go on to call her Aunty an and
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  that's about as familiar as this woman was going to get with her
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  ever. They did allow her to change her
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  last name to top in, but Anna spent every moment she could
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  reminding honor of that. She came from inferior blood,
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  she'd say things like you can't help being Irish with us.
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  It has me have to act like a Patty, which I didn't know at
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  the time. Was that Patty was a pejorative
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  word for Irish people. Yeah, that I didn't realize that
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  was a slur back then it's not anymore.
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  More. But wow.
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  And here's the thing, honor had been adopted into like a wow,
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  the WASP world of the Northeast and for people not in the u.s.
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  when we say wasp what we mean are white Anglo-Saxon
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  Protestants. and so honor a divot, a lot of abused kids to
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  she started overcompensating She became as smart as she could as
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  funny as she could. She learned how to be very
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  charismatic. You.
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  All right over there. Are you feeling?
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  I'm good? I'm good.
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  All right. Anna also began.
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  Exhibiting kinds, of signs of ethnic self-hatred.
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  No. I thought you were having that
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  moment that we always have. And we talked about how, like,
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  kids, who were like abandoned when they were young
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  overcompensate when we get older.
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  Yes, yes. Now as I was like, are you
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  alright? Because I know what?
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  I'm tapping your trauma. Just a little bit.
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  Mine too. Mine too.
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  But yeah, so onerous starts, exhibiting ethnic self-hatred
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  and she would lie about being Irish and she would mock
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  Catholics because that's the Protestant thing to do.
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  She would make fun of other Irish kids and well onerous
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  position as a subordinate, the family was a weird thing that
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  contributed to her strangeness. She actually would live with his
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  family and so she was 28 years old, she never officially got
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  adopted and was pretty miserable the top and family had a
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  biological daughter named Elizabeth who was adored by her
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  family. That really served as a reminder
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  to honor all that she was nothing more than a well-dressed
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  worker. Sometime during her time with
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  the top end, she changes her name to Jane, I guess.
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  So that it would be something less ethnic.
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  And it might Grant her some better treatment.
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  When that didn't work, Jane started becoming a bully at
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  school. She's a gossip.
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  She spread rumors snitched on anybody and everybody, which got
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  her in good with the teachers, but not with the other students.
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  She had a really like, bubbly personality but it was totally
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  superficial even when she was little She was actually really
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  selfish and she showed a lot of signs of ego and stubbornness
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  and even to see at a young age. She told everyone, her father
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  was an explorer who traveled to China and live there.
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  She made of a brother who fought at Gettysburg and got a medal
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  from President Lincoln. Her sister was a beauty queen in
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  London and she was also prone to do very spiteful things to
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  people she didn't like it and blame it on somebody else.
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  Here's the thing, when James Behavior gets out of hand
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  letters, go home her foster mom and not too happy.
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  And so she would be Jane, you know, the old days we don't
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  let's do the spare. The rod spoil, the child Jay and
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  saw this is unfair because you're not really my mom and it
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  made her detest her auntie an but she especially hated
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  Elizabeth. Elizabeth got treated like a
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  real daughter, Elizabeth had a natural social ranking because
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  she was an Irish and She had family who loved her and as the
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  two got older Elizabeth became more beautiful and Jane
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  remained, kind of homely and strong-jawed and she always was
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  boys flocked to Elizabeth, but not too Jane.
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  There is a rumor that when Jay was in her early 20s, she fell
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  in love with a man and he worked as an office worker and he
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  proposed to her with a ring. That had a bird engraved on it,
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  and he had to move for work and when he moved into a boarding
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  house and Holyoke, He fell in love with the landlord's
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  daughter and abandoned Gene for The Other Woman.
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  Now what did that happened? Or not Jane.
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  Never got married or really went on dates or got courted.
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  She's about five foot three and 170 pounds which was considered
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  to be so overweight at the time, Listen, I looked at as the at
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  the late 1870s is a direct quote, that isn't the ideal
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  woman was 5 foot 5 and 138 pounds.
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  If she be well, formed she can stand another 10 pounds without
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  greatly showing it. And for those of you not speak
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  in 19th century, if she got a booty or some boobs, they don't
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  mind if she's a little heavier, but Jane was well past the 10
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  pounds and they like it and she was shorter.
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  Jane was lonely and her foster sister at all these men courting
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  her. So, she turned to romance novels
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  like the house of Dreams Come True or Miss Marjorie of silver
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  mean, and the princess of the purple Palace, these books
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  worked for a little while, but eventually it's not enough and
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  when James reach 18, she got a fifty dollar payment.
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  And that was the end of her indentured servitude.
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  This is the largest amount of money she ever got from, Auntie,
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  Anne, and went up and died. A couple years later, Jane was
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  not included in the will Everything went to Elizabeth and
• 24:18
  Elizabeth got married and became mrs.
• 24:20
  O A Brigham, she married a deacon named Orem.
• 24:26
  Elizabeth was used to Jane being there as her servant.
• 24:28
  So she was like, you want to stay And so Jane stays there for
• 24:33
  another decade harboring all this resentment for her foster
• 24:35
  sister, who had everything handed to her and every
• 24:38
  opportunity on the table and that resentment kind of comes to
• 24:41
  a head, and we don't know if Jane had enough with Elizabeth
• 24:44
  or Elizabeth just had enough, but an 1885 Jay moves out
• 24:48
  Elizabeth's like you can come back and visit whenever you want
• 24:50
  there. Always be a room here for you.
• 24:52
  But speaking from experience that's not how that works.
• 24:56
  It wasn't likely Elizabeth was being kind for public reasons
• 24:59
  but I'm sure she had to have known that Jane like didn't like
• 25:01
  her. But in 1885 Jane 3028, she got
• 25:06
  no job outside of housecleaning, no money, the social position,
• 25:09
  no family and she's all alone. And so the time in history,
• 25:12
  where A Woman's Place was in the home, and there weren't a whole
• 25:15
  lot of jobs for women. So you could be a teacher, a
• 25:18
  seamstress, a textile worker. Jane did not want to be a
• 25:21
  governess for a couple spoiled rich kids.
• 25:24
  She did not know how to sew and she did not want to do
• 25:26
  back-breaking labor in the Mills.
• 25:28
  She wanted a living wage and she didn't want to be destroyed.
• 25:33
  And here's the thing, Jane is an abandoned abused kid who turned
• 25:36
  into a pretty nasty adult but in 1887 she's like, you know, it
• 25:40
  makes sense. I'm gonna go be a nurse now,
• 25:44
  I'll give you some comparison. Nursing is one of the most
• 25:48
  highly regimented jobs in the u.s.
• 25:50
  It's actually stricter than say, being a police officer, but
• 25:53
  nursing in the 19th century is nothing, like it was today.
• 25:56
  There was no formal training, really, a pretty scary example
• 26:00
  of this would be that in New York City.
• 26:02
  The Bellevue Hospital was run by former inmates of A Woman's Work
• 26:07
  house at Blackwell's Island prison and Blackwell was a spot
• 26:10
  for like drugs and prostitutes who would get parole if you
• 26:14
  would. Agree to be a nurse most of
• 26:16
  those. People didn't even know how to
• 26:18
  read books, and we're just trying to stay out of prison.
• 26:21
  So patient care was pretty low. But Boston in 1850s was a much
• 26:28
  better. The state legislature had formed
• 26:30
  a Sanitary Commission to create some kind of rules around
• 26:34
  nursing and the rulings were pretty much.
• 26:37
  Women should be nurses and we need to make a nursing school
• 26:40
  for them to learn. And then for 23 years, they did
• 26:43
  absolutely nothing. That's it.
• 26:45
  That's it proof that the government was useless 200 years
• 26:49
  ago to But the first training facility for nursing would be in
• 26:54
  Cambridge hospital in 1873 and in 1887 Jane applied for
• 26:58
  admission was a two-year program and it was awfully hard you to
• 27:02
  work seven days a week, 50 weeks a year.
• 27:04
  You didn't get off a Christmas or Easter Thanksgiving ensuring
• 27:07
  that anyone with a family was not going to take this job.
• 27:10
  They were housed in a small dorm where three women slept, and
• 27:12
  what I wouldn't even call Rooms maybe like it was like a big
• 27:16
  room that was like cubicles and they put three women in each
• 27:19
  cubicle. You woke up at 5:30 every day.
• 27:23
  Made your bed, made your own breakfast.
• 27:25
  Went to morning prayer and you had to be ready and at work by 7
• 27:27
  a.m. Then you work 12 to 14-hour days
• 27:30
  and you had a total of 75 minutes across the day for both
• 27:33
  lunch and your dinner lunch. And dinner was supplied by the
• 27:36
  hospital, but the items were so bad that most of the women spent
• 27:39
  their money on extra food. Your first month, you were a
• 27:42
  trainee on probation and they gave you pretty much.
• 27:45
  The worst job scrubbing, the floors clean the chamber pots
• 27:47
  during bedding your second week. They give you a couple patients
• 27:50
  on top of your cleaning. These you work alongside the
• 27:53
  head nurse learning, how to do, basic things, like give baths,
• 27:55
  put on clean bandages, fixed bed, sores, treat wounds give an
• 27:59
  enema give medication and it sounds awful, and it was awful.
• 28:04
  But you better not let your head nurse hear, you complain.
• 28:06
  Because you had to do this with a smile.
• 28:09
  If you, if you were found complaining at all, you were a
• 28:11
  troublemaker. You could not smoke drink
• 28:14
  liquor, get your hair and nails done.
• 28:15
  Go to dance halls. This is all in the rulebook but
• 28:19
  say, you make it through that first crap month right now.
• 28:21
  You signed an agreement with the hospital, stay on for two years
• 28:24
  and they're going to pay for your lodging for your uniforms
• 28:26
  and you get a seven dollars a month, looking into inflation
• 28:29
  that is $218 today. It's not a lot of money.
• 28:34
  He's still making him money, okay.
• 28:40
  That money you had to pay for outside.
• 28:42
  Close textbooks, anything that you needed?
• 28:45
  Once you hit trainee status. You now have a total war pretty
• 28:48
  much to take care of 50 patients, in your daily Duties
• 28:52
  are doing catheters draining wounds, your board has to be
• 28:55
  clean and warm, which means you're doing housekeeping stuff.
• 28:58
  But also you have to make sure the sure the furnace is working
• 29:00
  has enough coal. The lamps have kerosene, they
• 29:04
  have to prepare the meals change beds and make sure the writing
• 29:08
  pills are sharp to take notes. Let's see, that's when we that's
• 29:12
  where your fries, that's not in. My job, description comes in to
• 29:16
  see, you know. This is part of your job
• 29:17
  description. It's all part of your job
• 29:19
  description. Well, once a week after you
• 29:31
  attacked after work, you had to attend a lecture in the medical
• 29:34
  Theory by the hospital doctors and that could be on anything
• 29:37
  Dentistry hygiene, diabetes, obstetric, surgery.
• 29:40
  Pediatrics nerve disorders. Pretty much, they just grab the
• 29:43
  doctor and we're like here, talk for an hour.
• 29:48
  And Jane did this and she did it with a smile and she won her way
• 29:51
  through school. At the end of two years you get
• 29:53
  examined by a board of doctors and if you pass you get a little
• 29:55
  diploma test is designed to be really hard and cover pretty
• 29:58
  much anything and everything medical they'll throw at you.
• 30:01
  But it really relied heavily on knowing medications and Jane was
• 30:05
  very good at that. In fact, James, so good at her
• 30:08
  job, they start calling her Jolly Jane.
• 30:10
  She's got an excellent bedside Manner.
• 30:12
  And after spending 22 years as a servant cleaning was a piece of
• 30:15
  cake for her. The other nurses, however, we're
• 30:17
  like, She's a brown noser and just like in high school.
• 30:20
  She loved to pit women against each other with rumors.
• 30:24
  She never got in trouble though twice.
• 30:27
  However, during training, her lies got other people fire.
• 30:32
  And again, Jane reinvents herself, she picked up new
• 30:35
  things, she liked to do, steal hospital supplies money from
• 30:40
  patients and nobody could ever prove it but they were sure that
• 30:43
  it was her and as time, she passed, her first exam and
• 30:48
  became her like a minor nurse in 1889 and she was about to take
• 30:52
  her first step into illegality though.
• 30:55
  See James, you come, she get close to certain patients and
• 30:58
  she want to spend all her time with the people.
• 31:00
  She liked, she wanted to leave. So she starts falsifying
• 31:03
  documents to make them. Stay a little longer, a little
• 31:06
  nothing illegal. Maybe she just write that this
• 31:08
  person had a fever, maybe give them a medicine that made them
• 31:12
  feel a little bit sick, so they stay in the hospital for another
• 31:15
  week. Innocent.
• 31:17
  But for the patient's, she didn't like Oh Jane was not so
• 31:22
  good. She really hated older people
• 31:25
  and she would laugh and say to the other nurses there's no use
• 31:28
  keeping old people alive. Yeah.
• 31:35
  Of course because Jane was just like so funny and they didn't,
• 31:39
  she didn't mean that her, he was just dark.
• 31:41
  That's all right. Well on her own time.
• 31:44
  She's buying books about medications and asking her
• 31:48
  Mentor is about how different poisons.
• 31:50
  Work. In fact, one of Jane's favorite
• 31:52
  books was about opium and we think of opium in the mod of age
• 31:55
  as the drug that led to the creation of heroin.
• 31:58
  So I have to explain this. Opium comes from the sap of an
• 32:01
  unripe. Poppy bulb opium counts
• 32:04
  morphine. As one of its main ingredients,
• 32:07
  which works to suppress the pain receptors in the brain.
• 32:10
  Heroin is a synthetic substance that uses opium as the primary
• 32:14
  active ingredient. And throughout history, we used
• 32:20
  opium like, it was aspirin. They gave it to an infant if the
• 32:26
  baby was teething women for cramps, dysentery patients.
• 32:30
  And Jane was obsessed with opium but she didn't start with it.
• 32:35
  Unlike many angels of death. Jane wasn't really trying to
• 32:38
  make her patients lives better. She was using them as Lab Rats
• 32:43
  to see how drugs affected them and she Started with a morphine.
• 32:47
  Just pure Murphy. She just inject a little bit and
• 32:49
  then she just watch and see our eyes dilated or their breeding
• 32:53
  got louder. And labored, she watches, they
• 32:56
  get sweaty. Of course, she'd be careful
• 32:59
  though because too much morphine in the person.
• 33:01
  Just slips into a coma and dies way too much there breathing
• 33:05
  stops almost immediately but she'd find the perfect amount to
• 33:09
  make this person go into like convulsions and then she just
• 33:12
  sit and watch. And then she moved to mixing
• 33:16
  morphine with atropine. Atropine is a medicine that can
• 33:20
  be used to treat low heart rate back in the 1800's though we
• 33:25
  were using it for everything asthma earaches night, sweats
• 33:27
  seasickness tetanus whooping cough.
• 33:31
  Now when she would like mix this medicine and give them the
• 33:34
  atropine in the morphine. They would have like muscle
• 33:37
  control failure and they would laugh and be Giddy and Delirious
• 33:42
  and they pull it things that they could.
• 33:44
  They see themselves and Jane would watch them, do all this.
• 33:48
  And finally, before death, they'd kind of Clutch the bed
• 33:51
  and just go Later on Gene would refer to poisoning as a habit of
• 33:56
  her life. The truth of the matter is Jane
• 34:02
  Jane was a weird one, she doesn't fit any of the normal
• 34:06
  Angel of Death things because she's into this for the sexual
• 34:08
  gratification, we don't see this with her kind of killer. she
• 34:17
  would like, Get in bed with them while they were dying and like
• 34:25
  hug them. It was it was a sexual thing.
• 34:31
  It's not good. Okay?
• 34:34
  Any TV, it's an 88 despite her mixed reputation at work.
• 34:39
  She's like it's time for me to go to bed to bigger better
• 34:41
  things. So she wants to go to
• 34:43
  Massachusetts General Hospital, which is renowned for being one
• 34:46
  of the best nursing programs in the country than ad.
• 34:48
  Now James admission came with glowing reviews from Cambridge
• 34:52
  but there was some pushback Jane had actually been kind of honest
• 34:56
  about her upbringing and that caused the head nurse and some
• 34:59
  others Navi folks to be like I don't know if she's good enough
• 35:02
  to come to Lancaster. I mean, Massachusetts General
• 35:06
  Hospital. Sorry that was down the street
• 35:13
  so they don't like fine. We'll let you and we'll put you
• 35:15
  on probation and Jane crushes. This probation period.
• 35:18
  She's so good. That when the head hurts had to
• 35:20
  take like a lie of a leave of absence the following year.
• 35:24
  Jane was her temporary replacement.
• 35:27
  MGH and MGH is like she's incredible.
• 35:30
  Why would he ever think that she wasn't?
• 35:34
  The other nurse is also hate her here to just before she
• 35:39
  presented herself as this like incredible person.
• 35:43
  She takes credit for other people's work.
• 35:45
  She changes charts and medical records.
• 35:48
  She stealing medicine. Even the doctors who liked her a
• 35:51
  lot were like, this is weird. I still think we don't know how
• 35:56
  many people that Jane could have killed with all this
• 35:58
  instrumentation. We just don't, unfortunately,
• 36:01
  because a lot of Jane's patients would just bleed out and we
• 36:05
  don't know if that was her because we were still practicing
• 36:08
  bloodletting in the 19th century.
• 36:11
  And we also use medicine called strychnine for stomach ailments.
• 36:15
  I feel like you probably know strychnine.
• 36:17
  I've heard that, yeah, we talked about it before with other
• 36:20
  people. Yeah, it's pretty much Rob
• 36:22
  poison. Yeah.
• 36:24
  Not arsenic but it has a similar effect and I'm sure a lot of
• 36:28
  people died because we were poisoning them with what we
• 36:32
  thought was good medicine, not just because of Jane.
• 36:36
  So here's the question, how do we know what her Mo was really?
• 36:40
  Well, one of Jane's early victims survived.
• 36:45
  And her name was mrs. Amelia Fanny.
• 36:47
  She was 36 years old and she had a uterine ulcer the treatment at
• 36:51
  this time, was to burn it with silver nitrate.
• 36:54
  Just a reminder, this is on the edge of your uterus.
• 36:57
  She silver nitrate. Yes.
• 37:00
  Oh God. Okay, the edge of your uterus
• 37:02
  and that that hurts real bad. It was way to cauterize the
• 37:07
  ulcer and they said it could shorten the recovery time.
• 37:10
  It hurts like hell and we didn't have much in the way of
• 37:12
  anesthesia at the time. So afterward Amelia is just in
• 37:15
  horrible pain. Just incapable sleep.
• 37:19
  And Amelia she doesn't talk about what happens here until
• 37:23
  Jane goes the present. But she said she's laying in her
• 37:25
  bed, feeling, pretty awful and a nurse comes over to her and
• 37:29
  jeans. Look how are you feeling?
• 37:30
  And I'm really is it please get me a doctor.
• 37:32
  I need help. That's the jeans.
• 37:34
  Like no, no worries. I have something to help you and
• 37:37
  she lifts a big it up with one arm and forces a glass to her
• 37:40
  lips. And tells her to drink and
• 37:43
  meals. Like this is very bitter, but it
• 37:45
  made her feel numb all over her body and then she felt like her
• 37:47
  throat was dry and she was very drowsy and this was the worst
• 37:51
  thing of what happened. But what freaked Amelia out was
• 37:53
  that Jane got into bed with her and began like petting her hair
• 37:57
  and kissing her face and Whispering like everything will
• 38:00
  be. Alright soon at one point Jane
• 38:03
  lean over a million and pulled her eyelids open and she said
• 38:08
  that Jane, sounded exciting. When Jane tried to force her to
• 38:12
  drink more of the glass and they refused, and she shut her mouth,
• 38:15
  and try to twist her head away from Jane.
• 38:18
  And as quickly as this whole, bizarre moment happens.
• 38:20
  It's over and Jane rushes away from her because someone else is
• 38:25
  in the Halls, Amelia passes out and she's woken up by another
• 38:28
  trainee name McCutchen and Amelia's, like she didn't feel
• 38:33
  like I was drinking and I was nauseous it.
• 38:36
  Took her hours to come back to herself and then she wasn't sure
• 38:38
  if anyone would believe her. Be like, oh, you were just
• 38:41
  Delirious from the pain. But her weird night time
• 38:47
  activities, go undetected, but her other weirdness gets her in
• 38:51
  trouble at Massachusetts General.
• 38:53
  See, Jane is not very ladylike and most hospitals with the
• 38:56
  time. Follow the Florence Nightingale
• 38:58
  method, for their nurses, mean that you had to be two things
• 39:01
  you to follow orders. And you had to look like a lady,
• 39:05
  prim and proper and prim. And proper Lee's were cheerful
• 39:09
  respectfully religious, they never complained and they were
• 39:12
  complete submission to Authority like that of the military.
• 39:16
  Jane was meticulous in her work. But her peers thought she was a
• 39:22
  thief and a liar have low moral character.
• 39:27
  They like suspected that she stole from the cash box of the
• 39:30
  hospital, the store room, she had diamond ring from a dying
• 39:33
  patient. They couldn't prove it, but they
• 39:35
  were over her and she makes a mistake in 1890 when she leaves
• 39:39
  her Ward without permission and her supervisors already hate
• 39:43
  her, and they use this to get her kicked out.
• 39:46
  So, even though Jane had already passed all over her exams, and
• 39:49
  they had already signed her to Paloma they kick her out without
• 39:52
  her license. So Jane goes into private
• 39:57
  nursing. And she gets jobs immediately
• 40:00
  and Cambridge and Lowell, Massachusetts immediately, she
• 40:04
  gets glowing recommendations in the fall of 1890.
• 40:06
  She goes back to Cambridge hospital.
• 40:08
  Her license, rinse, and repeat, doctors and patients.
• 40:12
  Love her co-workers heater strives to kill a 19 year old
• 40:15
  training named Maddie. David Maddie gets sick and they
• 40:18
  put her in the best. Nurses, War, Jane Maddie has a
• 40:22
  fever. And after spending time with
• 40:23
  Jane, she follows a report that says, that Jane gave her
• 40:27
  medicine that made her seize up and violently collapse.
• 40:30
  A doctor named Cleland was walking by and he saw her fall
• 40:34
  and save her when Jane came back the following morning.
• 40:37
  Another nurse was there so she couldn't finish the job doc.
• 40:40
  Hmm, dr. Cleveland starts watching her
• 40:44
  and he realizes his. Some other patients are dying
• 40:46
  from convulsions and he suspicious he's like I don't
• 40:50
  know if I want to believe that she's doing anything wrong.
• 40:53
  He's like maybe she's just Prescribing opiates.
• 40:59
  The summer of 1881. He tells the Board of Trustees
• 41:02
  his Bots and they dismiss her immediately.
• 41:05
  Good good good. Geez.
• 41:07
  Now 32 jobless and bows of Boston's best nursing schools
• 41:12
  have fired her. She'd even have a license to
• 41:14
  show for the four years of work. She's been doing the police are
• 41:18
  like they think she killed at least 24 people up to this point
• 41:21
  in her life, but they never were able to prove it.
• 41:23
  Now, Jane, like so many serial killers before her has an
• 41:27
  unending cup of arrogance and she decides to call on some of
• 41:31
  the more prominent families in Cambridge, who had given her
• 41:34
  such good reviews before and they're like, I'm going into
• 41:38
  private medicine. Do you have any, you know,
• 41:41
  interest Now, I need to give some perspective on this women
• 41:46
  in 1888, all women across the u.s. made on average.
• 41:50
  Four to six dollars a week. Hardly enough to survive.
• 41:53
  Jane was going to make $25 a week.
• 41:56
  Now comparing that to 2022. We're saying that the average
• 42:00
  woman in 1888 was only making like two hundred to two hundred
• 42:03
  twenty seven dollars a week. But Jane would have been making
• 42:06
  77948, which is a reasonable income.
• 42:11
  Yeah, for now time you can live off of Nine as a single person
• 42:16
  with no big debts and no children, all right.
• 42:21
  Unfortunately, this job is Rich with right, which Full Rife with
• 42:26
  Rich, folks, taking advantage of nurses and genuine, always get
• 42:30
  the money that she had signed, you know, they barter.
• 42:33
  So in the end, her average salary for the year, ended up,
• 42:36
  being around $600, which is about 14 k, which is 40% of what
• 42:41
  she was Contracting out. It's still way more than the
• 42:45
  hospital is pay, but crap money. An top of that her job was to be
• 42:51
  with a patient in their own home.
• 42:53
  I anticipate their every need obey, the doctors directions, do
• 42:56
  whatever the family needed. She wasn't supposed to bother
• 42:58
  them anyway, her shoes shouldn't make a sound her newspaper
• 43:02
  shouldn't even Russell. She was supposed to be
• 43:04
  constantly happy. Never showing any signs of
• 43:06
  fatigue or irritation help with household chores so launder
• 43:10
  clean and she'd be allowed to take a daily walk by herself
• 43:16
  once a day. these, these gigs were so intense that most nurses
• 43:21
  would take breaks in between them, missing out on money
• 43:24
  because Is so stressful but she liked it.
• 43:31
  Her being a husky or lady allowed her to really pick
• 43:34
  people up, you know, do the physical parts of the job,
• 43:37
  right? She's very No Nonsense.
• 43:40
  And her employers like that. And from 1892 to 1900, she was
• 43:44
  the most successful private nurse and Cambridge.
• 43:48
  The most elite families wanted her, her reputation was
• 43:51
  spotless. Despite these bizarre stories
• 43:53
  about her upbringing. That didn't make any sense and
• 43:56
  the rest of the house servants knew she was just a lying sack
• 43:59
  of crap. She was jealous.
• 44:02
  She had a bad temper. She was vindictive and making
• 44:05
  trouble across the staff. Was what she loved.
• 44:08
  She thought it was so much fun. Just causing fights.
• 44:14
  She had found her calling. Now holding the dying in her
• 44:16
  arms and since most of her patients were elderly.
• 44:19
  Well, you know how we felt if she felt about them?
• 44:23
  So it's not going to be surprised that I'm a 26 1985.
• 44:26
  Jane poisons 83 year old Israel Dunham.
• 44:29
  She would later tell the police that he was getting feeble.
• 44:31
  And fussy the corner would report that.
• 44:34
  Mr. Dunham died from heart failure, brought on by a
• 44:37
  strangulated hernia, what is weird about this?
• 44:40
  Is that Israel and lovey were her landlords So most of Jane's
• 44:48
  jobs required her to board with her patients, but occasionally
• 44:51
  she live on her own. So, she set up a relationship
• 44:54
  with Israel and lovey where she was pretty much the best tenant
• 44:57
  ever. She was like, never there and
• 44:59
  still paying rent. But after killing Israel, Jane
• 45:03
  stayed there with his widow, just experiencing this grief
• 45:06
  until the fall of 1897 when she got fed up with lovey, being
• 45:09
  old, and cranky and poison her too.
• 45:14
  And lovey died, September 1980, 97, killing the Dunham's, really
• 45:19
  reminded her of how much she hated older people.
• 45:24
  Now, what's interesting though, is that James next victim is her
• 45:27
  closest one yet. Her foster sister, Elizabeth
• 45:30
  Brigham. So let's roll this back a little
• 45:34
  bit over the years Jana, her foster sister keep in contact
• 45:37
  genuine, even visit Elizabeth, and her husband normal, and they
• 45:40
  were proud of Jenny as they called her for making something
• 45:43
  of herself. And they still thought she was
• 45:45
  funny and charming. And look, she wouldn't got
• 45:46
  became a nurse. My mom was wrong about you.
• 45:50
  The issue is Jane has years of hostility that she has never
• 45:56
  dealt with And she's a big chip on her Soldier and she's
• 46:00
  maintained, its Grudge partially because of their mother.
• 46:03
  But also like Jane, never really got a chance to offload.
• 46:05
  Her true feelings on an. And so, I think some of that
• 46:08
  hostility transferred to the next available woman in the
• 46:11
  family. Elizabeth to Jane, though, also
• 46:14
  Elizabeth was the living embodiment of privilege.
• 46:17
  The kind of people, she just couldn't stand born with a
• 46:20
  silver spoon in her mouth and giving, well, social status of
• 46:24
  family who love and care for her even though or animal.
• 46:27
  It was a chubby deacon at the first trinitarian.
• 46:31
  Concord Congressional Church. He very much, loved Elizabeth
• 46:35
  and Jane had never had that. So she was also resentful of
• 46:38
  that too, right? Yeah.
• 46:40
  Okay. Despite being a nurse Jane
• 46:43
  hadn't earned any real Social Capital.
• 46:46
  Now, for many years Gene took a vacation to keep Cod and the
• 46:49
  summer of 1899, she invited her sister now or more thought this
• 46:53
  was a great idea because Elizabeth had been really
• 46:55
  depressed. So then we called Melancholia
• 47:00
  and he thought a change of scenery could help.
• 47:04
  Give their August 25th and the next day, she and Jane go to the
• 47:07
  beach to have a picnic in these white summer dresses.
• 47:11
  They went back to the cottage and went to bed and the
• 47:13
  following morning, Elizabeth doesn't come down for breakfast.
• 47:16
  Jane goes to the landlord and says her sister sick, she needs
• 47:20
  a doctor and she sends a telegraph to Armel saying that
• 47:23
  his wife is ill normal arrives, on August 28th to find Elizabeth
• 47:27
  in a coma. And the doctors saying she had a
• 47:29
  stroke of apoplexy and She died the following morning as
• 47:35
  orbitals Gathering his wife's things to go home.
• 47:38
  He discovers Elizabeth's bag. Only has five dollars and he had
• 47:42
  insisted that. If she was going on vacation,
• 47:44
  she take at least 50 bucks with her James.
• 47:47
  Like I have no idea and then she tells him, well, Elizabeth told
• 47:52
  me just before she died that she wanted me to have her gold watch
• 47:54
  and her chain as a Keepsake or almost like, okay?
• 47:58
  Sure you can have it. Normal never saw her wear either
• 48:02
  item She would tell him later that it was too precious to.
• 48:06
  We're all at work due to her patients.
• 48:09
  But the truth was that she pawned it all.
• 48:13
  Jean plan this murder and she tell the police that it was her
• 48:16
  chance to get revenge on her sister.
• 48:20
  Elizabeth was really the first of my victims that I actually
• 48:22
  hated and poisoned with vindictive purpose.
• 48:25
  So I let her die slowly with gripping torture, I held her in
• 48:29
  my arms and watch with the light as she gasped out her life.
• 48:36
  Her next victim is 70 year old Mary mcneir.
• 48:39
  Now, mrs. McNair, came to town on
• 48:40
  Christmas Day, 1899, and visit her daughter who was ill and
• 48:44
  Cambridge and she got her six herself.
• 48:47
  Sick on the trip from Watertown at Cambridge.
• 48:50
  So they're both sick, the following afternoon, she gets
• 48:52
  visited by her granddaughter, whose name is Evelyn Shaw and
• 48:55
  Evelyn. Saw her sitting on her parlor,
• 48:58
  on a sofa wrapped in a shawl in front of the fireplace.
• 49:01
  She's happy but she's got some skills.
• 49:04
  Sneezing the following day. She has a cough and she
• 49:07
  requested her doctor doctor, wesselhoft, Walter wesselhoft.
• 49:14
  Walters like, I hear some congestion, but you'll be fine
• 49:16
  her family's. Like she needs a nurse.
• 49:18
  She's old and the doctors, like, not really.
• 49:21
  She just needs to like, Rest, they insisted a nurse so he
• 49:26
  sends one of his best Jane. On December 28th.
• 49:30
  Evelyn Shaw returns to visit her grandmother and meets Jane
• 49:34
  Evelyn's impressed and fills her grandmother's in.
• 49:37
  Good hands. She goes home and learns that
• 49:40
  she'd been called back to Cambridge mrs.
• 49:42
  McNair had passed out and could not be woken when Evelyn came
• 49:46
  back to her grandmother's house. Dr. Walters there.
• 49:49
  And he's like, it looks like she suffered a stroke of a puppy
• 49:53
  asleep. Jane's.
• 49:55
  Like she took her medicine a quiver came over her face.
• 49:59
  Followed by a second and then she fell back.
• 50:02
  Unconscious. Hmm, you really didn't notify?
• 50:06
  Yeah, Jay notified the staff and told them she was going to try
• 50:08
  and revive Mary and one of the head Cooks was like, yeah, we're
• 50:11
  going to call it dr. Mary died.
• 50:15
  The following morning never coming out of her coma after she
• 50:20
  died, her family, discovered missing clothes from Mary's
• 50:22
  closet and they asked dr. Walter if it could be Jane and
• 50:25
  he was like, absolutely not. So, the family dropped it,
• 50:29
  seeing how it made dr. Walter pretty upset and truly
• 50:32
  wasn't that big of a deal, honestly.
• 50:36
  Now, Mary was a peculiar Victim Because at this point of jeans
• 50:39
  career, she's telling people she knows and it's kind of weird
• 50:44
  that she meets Mary and the same day decides to kill her.
• 50:49
  It's a one hell of an escalation.
• 50:51
  I'll say that January 1st, 1990 comes with absolutely no
• 50:57
  fanfare. Not Like Us in 2000 when we
• 51:00
  thought the whole world was going to die.
• 51:08
  Normal any Year celebration. But honestly the New York Times
• 51:12
  post the first post about the new year was that a man in New
• 51:15
  Jersey had gotten a cricket stuck in his ear and he had been
• 51:18
  driven mad. Oh, That sounds horrible, it
• 51:24
  does sound horrible, but Jane, Jane spinning, the beginning of
• 51:28
  the year, thinking about her foster sister and take him when
• 51:31
  she felt like he deserved, which was Jazz Elizabeth's husband,
• 51:36
  she been thinking about this for two years now, almost 60 years
• 51:39
  old. He's not really appealing to
• 51:41
  anybody in the area, but Jane's, make sure that if he gets close
• 51:46
  with someone, he kills them, she kills them.
• 51:49
  So when she visits or emerges after the new year, And she
• 51:52
  learns that one of the housekeeper's is getting a
• 51:54
  little bit too close to him. She poisons that woman, 45
• 51:59
  year-old Florence, Calkins Florence dies on January 15th,
• 52:02
  1989 would later, tell the police I was jealous of her.
• 52:07
  I knew she wanted to become mr. Brigham's wife?
• 52:11
  Now, Jane killed another elderly, patient, William and
• 52:13
  Graham about two weeks later, we don't know much about William.
• 52:16
  Other than the fact that he was 70, this murder would appear to
• 52:19
  give some semblance of normalcy to her normal way, she handles
• 52:22
  things, you know, Jane however went right back to killing
• 52:30
  people. She knew that is mrs.
• 52:34
  Myrick honors Myra was one of the few people who we could have
• 52:37
  called a close friend. To Jane, if serial killers can
• 52:41
  have close relationships at all my rules 40.
• 52:44
  She was a widow. She worked as a matron of the
• 52:47
  refectory at st. John's theological School in
• 52:50
  Cambridge, the to didn't really match in terms of their looks,
• 52:55
  we have Jane who's, you know, stocky She was described many
• 53:00
  times in books as books them. So I guess she was the best egal
• 53:05
  to and Myra is this like super short petite was like the
• 53:10
  pince-nez glasses, you know? Yeah.
• 53:14
  We don't know how they met, but we know that they've been
• 53:15
  friends for years before Jane decide to kill her and it was
• 53:19
  because Jane was jealous. She was envious of the way that
• 53:23
  she would of my Row the same way she was envious of Elizabeth,
• 53:26
  but Jane wanted job that Myra had.
• 53:30
  Now, some people believe that she wanted to change careers and
• 53:33
  not kill anymore. An attempt to stop the
• 53:35
  compulsion. I don't agree with that, okay?
• 53:40
  Mira's job duties at this job included.
• 53:42
  Overseeing the dining hall. And I think that Jane wanted to
• 53:47
  poison people but she did. That's the easier access to.
• 53:50
  Yeah, she could just throw it in a little and see how it affected
• 53:53
  people. On top of that she would have
• 53:56
  been paid well. Give it a nice apartment and
• 53:58
  Burnham Hall with a private made it her own meal time.
• 54:01
  Wait staff no brainer kill this lady.
• 54:05
  Take over her life. Now, the day after Myra gets
• 54:10
  sick, she calls her doctor her burry McIntyre and he thinks she
• 54:15
  has localized. Peritonitis, for those who don't
• 54:18
  know, your peritoneum is, the membrane in your stomach and
• 54:23
  peritonitis is when it's inflamed.
• 54:26
  So, he described. He prescribes her arrowroot
• 54:28
  poultices and powdered opium. Jane shows up to help her friend
• 54:33
  on February 7th. 1981 after said that Meyer had been progressing
• 54:38
  favor bleah but it all stops with Jane shows up on February
• 54:43
  11th, Myra dies convulsing. So intensely, the one of her
• 54:47
  arms breaks. Oh my God, my report.
• 54:50
  My room was poisoned with strychnine.
• 54:52
  It was particularly brutal and for somebody who had done,
• 54:55
  absolutely nothing to Jane other than just have the job Seeker.
• 55:01
  Now, mind you, Myra hasn't even been dead that long, and Jane
• 55:03
  approaches the dean of the school.
• 55:05
  Dr. Hodges. And it's like, listen, Myra told
• 55:08
  me she was going on, sabbatical, and she had been telling me
• 55:11
  about what this job entails, and that maybe I could have been her
• 55:14
  temporary replacement and dr. Hodges is like, I mean, if you
• 55:19
  know how to do it, come do the job.
• 55:21
  We got an opening. All right?
• 55:23
  She's like, I need a couple days.
• 55:24
  I really need to think about this.
• 55:25
  I love my patients, she comes back, and she's like listen,
• 55:29
  I've given it some real thought. And I'll accept because I just
• 55:32
  love Myra. Okay, I'll being crafty James
• 55:40
  happy. Her plans are falling in line
• 55:42
  but here's the problem. Jane's, not good at this job
• 55:47
  very quickly, She's accused of being incompetent.
• 55:50
  There's the fission of her doing things with pilot with the
• 55:53
  books. In terms of ordering food, they
• 55:57
  kind of give her a chance. They're like, listen, let her
• 55:58
  finish out the semester, she takes a job at a mess hall at
• 56:02
  Woods Hole, which is a biology School.
• 56:04
  If she comes back to the theological school in the fall,
• 56:08
  Having learned nothing, oh my God.
• 56:11
  By November, there are so many complaints filed against her but
• 56:14
  the dean just has to do something like she hadn't paid
• 56:18
  the kitchen staff for like a month and they're just like, he
• 56:21
  says, listen, you did your best, I'ma need you to resign Jane is
• 56:27
  devastated. Here's the thing.
• 56:29
  She's arrogant. Like many serial killers are and
• 56:32
  she thinks that she's great at everything.
• 56:37
  And and this is like such a major blow to her.
• 56:41
  That it does make sense for me that James next Big thing is
• 56:48
  that she goes on that. She kills my entire family.
• 56:52
  Okay, let's get ready, quickly. Oh, that's how it goes.
• 56:58
  They start with, like, you know, one every few years, then every
• 57:02
  few months, then now, every couple weeks, mmm.
• 57:08
  Okay. For this, we have to go back to
• 57:11
  cotuit, which is this beautiful Village in, Cape Cod, where Jane
• 57:14
  killed her foster sister. Now Jane has stated this College
• 57:17
  owned by, Alden David, a pretty, wealthy man, who had a really
• 57:21
  great, like, reputation in the community and she had stayed
• 57:25
  there for the last five years, this point, and even though
• 57:28
  Alden was in his late 60s and ready to retire, he allowed Jane
• 57:32
  to come right from him because she had always been his favorite
• 57:35
  tenant on top of being very pleasant, and kind his family.
• 57:38
  When they needed medical help, she was happy to give it even
• 57:41
  while she was on vacation to the davises and the neighbors she'd
• 57:45
  even babysit their kids. If someone To take a trip to
• 57:48
  town for the day. And if someone in the all the
• 57:50
  family got sick, he would just deduct money from her rat, but
• 57:54
  ultimately Gene was never really able to pay the full amount, but
• 57:57
  they liked her so much. They would let her just kind of
• 57:59
  pay it off over time, but by the end of the fifth summer in Cape
• 58:02
  Cod, Gino the Davis Family $500. While Alden didn't seem to care
• 58:09
  a whole lot. His wife Maddie absolutely cared
• 58:13
  and she was over this so that year so we're talking it's 1900
• 58:21
  or was it 1900 1901 now? Yes, June first Maddie's
• 58:25
  daughter Genevieve is like I'm going to be stopping in Boston
• 58:30
  to visit my in-laws, before I come back home for the summer
• 58:33
  and Maddie's. Like, let's make a day of this.
• 58:35
  I'll come have lunch with you, but Maddie's plan is, I'm gonna
• 58:39
  stop by Cambridge to talk to Jane and tell her.
• 58:41
  She's not, welcome back at the Davis estate and so, she pays
• 58:44
  her whole bill and then I'll go to Boston and have lunch with
• 58:46
  the inlaws. So, she tells her husband has a
• 58:50
  plan, and he's not really mad at her anything.
• 58:52
  He's just like, listen, you're 62 where you're not in the best
• 58:55
  health, like you really want to take this trip and Maddie's like
• 58:58
  Listen, it's now or never, you're too nice.
• 59:02
  So Maddie takes the the trip on June 25th, the summer of 1901
• 59:07
  was one of the hottest on the East Coast.
• 59:08
  We've talked about this before and other older timey killings
• 59:12
  but they called it the hot wave and in the course of four days,
• 59:16
  the first four days of July over, 400 people died.
• 59:21
  So Maddie was like, I'm just going to do this, she almost
• 59:25
  doesn't go because she gets her stuff.
• 59:26
  Ready? And she realizes she's about to
• 59:28
  miss the 645 train to Cambridge. So I'll then actually heads over
• 59:32
  there and stops the conductor to tell him his wife's.
• 59:35
  Her, his wife's coming Maddie rushing to the train, which is
• 59:38
  only 300 feet away from their front door of their house.
• 59:41
  Trips falls down a hill, her husband helps her and they kind
• 59:44
  of get her onto the train and get her situated.
• 59:46
  The men who are watching her pretty surprised at all the let
• 59:48
  her go, but she was very determined I feel like it was
• 59:52
  almost like the world was trying to keep her from going to Jane's
• 59:54
  House. Great, it was chatty, just
• 59:56
  wasn't having it. It was trying to give you a sign
• 59:59
  and you not. Listen, your husband tried to
• 1:00:01
  stop you and then you almost missed the train and then you
• 1:00:05
  almost hurt yourself, falling down the train.
• 1:00:08
  Hmm, just don't do it. But she did it.
• 1:00:18
  Yes. Now on the train Maddie's
• 1:00:24
  talking about her neighbor is about where she's going, and the
• 1:00:27
  neighbors, like, oh my God, I can't believe Jolly, Jenny was
• 1:00:30
  taking advantage of you like that.
• 1:00:31
  And the neighbors, like, listen, if it's me, I would leave it all
• 1:00:34
  without all my money. Now, after killing her other,
• 1:00:38
  landlords Gene had been boarded, yet another house owned by an
• 1:00:40
  XD. Council member named Melvin
• 1:00:43
  Beetle, and his wife Eliza now, Jane had poisoned Melvin, and
• 1:00:48
  Eliza to, but not enough to kill him, just to give him some
• 1:00:50
  stomach cramps. She'd so drug their housekeeper,
• 1:00:53
  Mary Sullivan to get her fired and then told Eliza that she
• 1:00:56
  caught Mary drinking and Eliza found Mary pass it on her bed.
• 1:01:00
  Of course, they fire her, put her in a carriage and send her
• 1:01:04
  away and Jane takes over that lady's duties.
• 1:01:07
  So it's the 25th and Maddie arrives and Jane had just made
• 1:01:11
  dinner for herself in the Beatles, but Jane kind of knows
• 1:01:14
  score already. So she goes and she grabs the
• 1:01:17
  mineral water that she loves to give to people and offers it to
• 1:01:20
  Maddie. And she's Like, you know, we can
• 1:01:23
  deal with this after dinner. They all eat together and Maddie
• 1:01:25
  drinks that entire glass, which is made of hunyadi mineral,
• 1:01:29
  water and morphea after dinner, Jane's like, okay, we can go to
• 1:01:34
  the bank and take out the money and Maddie agrees, when she
• 1:01:39
  stands up she gets dizzy and James like, well, maybe it was
• 1:01:42
  that fall. You took and Maddie had told
• 1:01:47
  them about the fall that morning but she's like I'm fine and as
• 1:01:51
  soon as they get outside of the house, she falls.
• 1:01:54
  Like she just collapses it with how hot it was.
• 1:01:56
  No one's breaking at the, I idea of an elderly woman falling
• 1:02:00
  down, right? So Jane picks her up and bring
• 1:02:02
  her back into the house Jane and Melvin carrier upstairs into an
• 1:02:06
  empty room. Like maybe it's just, you know,
• 1:02:09
  heat exhaustion some fatigue, Melvin gets her some cold water
• 1:02:12
  and Jane gives her another dose of morphine.
• 1:02:15
  Via to quiet her. Now, Jane sends a message to all
• 1:02:19
  dancing that Maddie is sick. She sends a telegraph to
• 1:02:22
  Genevieve her daughter in Somerville who've been waiting
• 1:02:24
  for her mom, Genevieve arrives, the next day and insists on
• 1:02:28
  Doctor. It takes a while to find one who
• 1:02:31
  wasn't busy or had left the heat, you know, left do the heat
• 1:02:35
  that guy who shows up as dr. John T.
• 1:02:37
  G Nichols and Nichols is a pretty a famous doctor because
• 1:02:41
  he had been involved in the case of Sarah Jane Robinson.
• 1:02:45
  Who Was a Serial poisoner who have poisoned people with rat
• 1:02:49
  poison and dr. Nichols one of the doctors who
• 1:02:51
  misdiagnosed Prince Arthur Freeman as a disease of the
• 1:02:57
  stomach, instead of arsenic poisoning, mrs.
• 1:03:00
  Robinson went on to kill seven more people that experience made
• 1:03:03
  him aware, and he had spent a decade repairing his reputation,
• 1:03:07
  but he was about to also not get this one because Jane didn't use
• 1:03:13
  arsenic and so he didn't see the signs.
• 1:03:19
  And she tells dr. Nichols that mrs.
• 1:03:21
  Davis, is a diabetic who had eaten all this cake at dinner
• 1:03:26
  and collapsed afterward. And when dr.
• 1:03:28
  Nichols checked it, it appeared that she was suffering from a
• 1:03:31
  diabetic coma, they even tested her urine and the sugar content
• 1:03:36
  was super high. Of course, Jin.
• 1:03:38
  Collected it before the doctor, got there of kids, he didn't
• 1:03:41
  have any reason to doubt that it had been doctored.
• 1:03:45
  For the next seven days, Jane plays with Maddie's life and she
• 1:03:49
  does it under the nose of her landlords Maddie's own like and
• 1:03:54
  the doctors. And the daughter, Jane gave her
• 1:03:57
  different doses of atropine, and morphine and Other Drugs to test
• 1:04:00
  the results. And really kind of confused
• 1:04:01
  people at one point. She gave Maddie a do strong
• 1:04:04
  enough to wake her up and then do stir again and make her go
• 1:04:08
  back into the coma. What the hell?
• 1:04:10
  Oh yeah. No James game.
• 1:04:11
  High on a power trip of this lady.
• 1:04:14
  Who She felt like showed up wave at her wealth and James face.
• 1:04:18
  And she finally, let's Maddie died on July 4th, and she goes
• 1:04:22
  back for the funeral the following day.
• 1:04:25
  Jane, would later tell the police that was when she decided
• 1:04:27
  to kill the rest of the family, and she said she was sitting
• 1:04:30
  there, just watching the people leave the funeral going.
• 1:04:33
  You better. Wait a little while.
• 1:04:35
  I'll have another funeral for you.
• 1:04:37
  If you wait, it'll save you from gone back and forth.
• 1:04:43
  After Maddie's funeral, Jane is like, okay, well I'm going to
• 1:04:46
  head back home. Sorry for your loss and
• 1:04:49
  Genevieve and her sister. Many are like no, no, no stay.
• 1:04:53
  And she's like, listen, I don't have the money this year, which
• 1:04:55
  is why I didn't come up earlier and the sisters are like,
• 1:04:57
  listen, we want you to stay look after our dad will cover it.
• 1:05:02
  He's sick with grief. And so Jane moves into the main
• 1:05:06
  house, the family. Oh my God, which is when she
• 1:05:11
  starts setting fires, what? So she's not content with just,
• 1:05:15
  you know, murdering people. She said, the first one within
• 1:05:19
  the first week, she's there with a bunch of paper in the closet
• 1:05:23
  and then goes back to her room. She was intending on killing
• 1:05:26
  Alden, but he had been struggling with insomnia and he
• 1:05:30
  smelled the smoke yelled for people and Jane cape and help
• 1:05:33
  them put it out. Out.
• 1:05:34
  She tries to get a couple days later, setting fire to the
• 1:05:36
  pantry and then going and talking to the neighbors down,
• 1:05:38
  the street, the neighbors noticed, the fire, and then they
• 1:05:42
  all run and put it out a week later, she tries it again, and
• 1:05:45
  she tells album that she'd seen a stranger lurking outside, the
• 1:05:49
  house, the village is in a tizzy.
• 1:05:51
  There's a firebug on the loose, the neighbors are just like,
• 1:05:55
  wow. The davises are just having the
• 1:05:57
  worst left, right out, your why. The next to die is Genevieve.
• 1:06:03
  Losing your mom is hard but Genevieve's, definitely blamed
• 1:06:05
  herself. Because Maddie has wanted to,
• 1:06:10
  you know, demanded to me her in Boston and I'm sure she said to
• 1:06:13
  herself, you know, if she just stayed home she would have lived
• 1:06:17
  Jim. He was so sad that Jane decided
• 1:06:19
  she'd be better off dead than depressed and she started by
• 1:06:22
  planting seeds of worry. And her older sister many said
• 1:06:26
  she's like I saw her walking around the grounds and she
• 1:06:28
  picked up this box and she looked at it and when I went and
• 1:06:31
  looked at the box, it was Paris green, which if people don't
• 1:06:34
  know, that's an insecticide, that's real, not good.
• 1:06:38
  Jean told me she was worried that Genevieve was going to kill
• 1:06:40
  herself and it made sense, I mean, Alden was struggling her
• 1:06:44
  her dad, he was always eccentric and he's having more weird
• 1:06:47
  outbursts and that had to be affecting her too.
• 1:06:52
  So, on, July 26, after dinner, Genevieve got violently ill and
• 1:06:56
  vomited into her throat was raw. Then that nausea lasted through
• 1:06:59
  the night, Jane tended to her, gave her water.
• 1:07:03
  And then the middle of night went to finish the job in the
• 1:07:06
  morning. Jane inform, the family that
• 1:07:08
  Genevieve had died. A local doctor said it looked
• 1:07:10
  like heart disease and Jane's. Husband should And she told the
• 1:07:17
  husband that she had found one of her syringes stolen and that
• 1:07:23
  it had Paris green in it. But she didn't want all that.
• 1:07:26
  Are many to know. They agreed to keep it a secret
• 1:07:29
  and she disposed of the syringe in an outhouse like in the hole.
• 1:07:35
  Jane told the police later I went to the funeral and felt as
• 1:07:38
  Jolly as could be and nobody suspected me in the least.
• 1:07:42
  You're disgusting. Well, Jane decides to put all
• 1:07:45
  the Out of his misery. Next on August 8, Alden makes a
• 1:07:49
  day trip to Boston because he's going to file a complaint with
• 1:07:52
  the people who made the coffin for Genevieve, because he felt
• 1:07:56
  like he had been overcharged, he comes back, he's home, sweaty
• 1:08:00
  tired, Jane Foster has over him comes back with a glass of
• 1:08:04
  water, you know, her special water.
• 1:08:07
  He drank the entire thing. And the following morning he
• 1:08:09
  didn't come down for breakfast aldens granddaughter, went to
• 1:08:12
  check on him and came downstairs, really upset.
• 1:08:15
  She's like Grandpa. Wake up.
• 1:08:17
  So of course, Jane, many and Harry, all leap, up and run
• 1:08:21
  upstairs. Alden is cold and gray.
• 1:08:27
  They call dr. The doctors like, it looks like
• 1:08:29
  his heart gave out. We must have been the
• 1:08:32
  combination of the laws, these fires traveling.
• 1:08:35
  It's just too much. For a 64 year old Mary drinky
• 1:08:38
  drink. No Jane was like, I mean, what
• 1:08:42
  about the cost of the funerals and that could have been adding
• 1:08:45
  to his stress. S2 and having to go up to
• 1:08:47
  Boston, AA argue with that guy. Jane is in the midst of a full
• 1:08:52
  murder spring. She's out of control and the
• 1:08:54
  speed of the deaths are increasing because many has
• 1:08:57
  killed five days after her father.
• 1:09:01
  Now, for aldens funeral, a bunch of other family came up to
• 1:09:05
  support many and many's cousin is like, listen, how about we
• 1:09:09
  all leave this house which is dark and depressing.
• 1:09:12
  We'll go to Woods Hole will have a good day.
• 1:09:14
  So James like listen here, many take some cocoa wine for the
• 1:09:18
  drive up to, you know, kind of Steel your nerves.
• 1:09:21
  Of course, there's morphea in it and by the time they get back
• 1:09:24
  that afternoon, many is exhausted and she can't even get
• 1:09:27
  up the steps to her room. Since you just hangs out in the
• 1:09:30
  Parlor. Jane gives her some water and
• 1:09:33
  insist. She needs it because of the
• 1:09:34
  heat, the water has both morphia.
• 1:09:37
  And at atropine in it, many goes to sleep and slips into a coma.
• 1:09:48
  In a really disgusting kind of moment instead of hopping into
• 1:09:52
  bed with many, like she was used to Jane goes and wakes up minis,
• 1:09:57
  10 year old son and makes him lay in bed with her as she
• 1:10:02
  Comforts him. While his mother is literally
• 1:10:05
  dying beneath them. No, Minnie's cousin.
• 1:10:11
  Wakes up and sees many downstairs.
• 1:10:15
  Then she wakes up Harry and they look at this very limp.
• 1:10:19
  Barely breathing. Many the doctors say she's all
• 1:10:22
  tired out from the previous day's activities and he's like,
• 1:10:25
  oh give her some wine as a stimulant but she can't drink it
• 1:10:28
  because she's so knocked out. So Jane, it makes a whiskey
• 1:10:32
  anima with whiskey and water and more morphia in it and the
• 1:10:37
  doctor comes back four hours later.
• 1:10:39
  And She's worse. He's like trying to wake her up
• 1:10:45
  himself, then he calls another doctor then he calls Minnie's.
• 1:10:49
  Father-in-law. As her husband was away and see,
• 1:10:55
  they try all these different concoctions.
• 1:10:57
  But for 10 p.m. on August 14th, mini Gibbs dies at 39 years old.
• 1:11:01
  They're like, it was exhaustion August 19th.
• 1:11:04
  The local paper reads. Four members of a cape Family
• 1:11:09
  died in a period of six weeks. Six weeks.
• 1:11:14
  Brittany. That's only a freaking like
• 1:11:16
  month. I haven't even lived in this new
• 1:11:18
  place this weekend. What the hell?
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, okay yeah I know it's lat and the only person who's the
• 1:11:29
  specs Jane is Captain Paul give father-in-law and he At first,
• 1:11:37
  he doesn't want to think this way.
• 1:11:39
  Think think that way he was like, he had seen Jane give many
• 1:11:45
  this injection. And she's like, oh, I'm doing
• 1:11:49
  what the doctor said and he's just like, I don't know.
• 1:11:53
  He's like, I'm not sure what to tell she's respected in Cape,
• 1:11:55
  Cod. And Cambridge minis, husband
• 1:11:58
  docks, and he ends up giving gene pool. 10p as a, thank you
• 1:12:04
  for caring for his wife and her last hours.
• 1:12:08
  Jason, Statham town with this diluted idea that Captain gives
• 1:12:12
  going to meet her and like fall in love with her.
• 1:12:17
  Right? But, he's heartbroken.
• 1:12:19
  And he has a 10-year old son. He has to care for now.
• 1:12:22
  So he leaves immediately and Jane Leeves too.
• 1:12:27
  Well, so Jane Leeves to being kind of remembers, I guess that
• 1:12:30
  or mole is still alive and she's like, well, he's my potential
• 1:12:34
  future husband, my mind. Yeah.
• 1:12:39
  And so, she's pretty sure. She'll have him all to herself
• 1:12:41
  when she shows up at the end of August in 1901, but when she
• 1:12:44
  arrives, there's a 70 year old Widow, there named Edna would.
• 1:12:48
  And the banister sitting in the Parlor, and Anna have wanted to
• 1:12:51
  take a trip across America because of her heart.
• 1:12:54
  She hadn't gotten very far. She's like I've never mind.
• 1:12:57
  I'll go visit my brother. So, Jane walks in, and she's
• 1:13:00
  polite, and they kind of spend that weekend hanging out
• 1:13:03
  together. They have lunch that following
• 1:13:05
  Monday, August 26, and it gets dizzy.
• 1:13:09
  She went to lie down and despite saying she felt better Jean.
• 1:13:13
  Insisted on giving her some mineral water that night and the
• 1:13:18
  slips into a coma. Dr. Williams Bass, the same
• 1:13:21
  Doctor Who had assisted with Florence's murder the year
• 1:13:23
  before showed up and tries his best to revive her anodized on
• 1:13:28
  August 27. 1901 the last of the murders.
• 1:13:33
  Now, while Jane is kill a normal.
• 1:13:35
  Back in Cape, Cod people are talking a Doctor by the name of
• 1:13:39
  Aira. Cushing had seen Alden the day,
• 1:13:41
  he went to Boston to Lodge that complaint and he was like, Alden
• 1:13:45
  seemed perfectly fine. And so is many and Ira was like,
• 1:13:48
  I need to talk to somebody. So, I are goes to a mutual
• 1:13:51
  friend of Captain Gibbs. Need Ed Robeson.
• 1:13:54
  He's like, listen, this is weird and I know your captain gives
• 1:13:56
  friend and it's my professional opinion that we should.
• 1:13:59
  Look into this. And so Ed is like bet and goes
• 1:14:02
  to Captain Gibbs and Captain Gibbs is like finally somebody
• 1:14:05
  else thinks this too. So then he goes and contacts
• 1:14:09
  again. And man named Leonard Wood.
• 1:14:11
  Leonard Wood was a Harvard Medical School trained Doctor
• 1:14:14
  Who had been an assistant surgeon in the Army.
• 1:14:16
  Who served alongside future president Teddy, Roosevelt TR as
• 1:14:20
  he called him spoke exceptionally highly of him now.
• 1:14:24
  Letter was still in the military but he was actually home this
• 1:14:27
  summer for a small reprieve before he was set to Go back to
• 1:14:29
  Cuba. And when Leonard heard about all
• 1:14:32
  these strange things, like many waking up from her coma and
• 1:14:35
  looking scared at Jane and the strange syringe of liquid.
• 1:14:39
  He contacts a former teacher from Harvard dr.
• 1:14:42
  Edward would no relation and dr. Wood is a specialist in medical
• 1:14:46
  chemistry and toxicology, 15 years.
• 1:14:49
  Prior doctor would had been called to help with the arrest
• 1:14:53
  of the American bhujbal poisoner, Sarah, and James Jane
• 1:14:56
  Robinson. He had been the one to determine
• 1:14:59
  and that her son had been given arsenic, Something like this is
• 1:15:03
  so weirdly twisted up with this prior case.
• 1:15:06
  Yeah. So when dr.
• 1:15:07
  Wick comes in and the police take notice they open an
• 1:15:12
  investigation. The detective on the case with
• 1:15:14
  Joseph is Whitney and the district attorney Lemuel homes
• 1:15:17
  ordered that many engine of his body.
• 1:15:19
  Be exhumed Jane is none. The wiser until the Boston
• 1:15:22
  Globe, publishes a piece on August. 31st in Korea is under
• 1:15:26
  way investigation of deaths of comma caught him at family, AP
• 1:15:31
  Davis wife. And daughters died suddenly this
• 1:15:35
  article came out the same day that dr.
• 1:15:37
  Robert fonts the medical examiner, dr.
• 1:15:40
  Wood dr. Leonard ladder the davises
• 1:15:42
  doctor and revered mr. Dicking of the local church.
• 1:15:46
  I guess he was called because to maintain the the, you know, I
• 1:15:50
  guess to not desecrate the body because at the time it was just
• 1:15:54
  called a dissection which is a little weird but they in
• 1:15:58
  removed, several of the woman's internal organs took them to
• 1:16:02
  Sherwood's laboratory in Cambridge and then the bodies
• 1:16:04
  were reinterred. It all went silent for a few
• 1:16:08
  weeks. First, it was because they were
• 1:16:10
  waiting for results. And then President McKinley was
• 1:16:13
  assassinated on September 14th and the Press devoted all
• 1:16:17
  available time to that his life Legacy assassination but didn't
• 1:16:22
  mean the investigation stopped though.
• 1:16:24
  See when that first article came out, a detective named John S
• 1:16:29
  Patterson was put on detail, too.
• 1:16:32
  Watch her. And so he followed her from
• 1:16:34
  Cape, Cod, to a visit with Harry Gordon, senior, to a trip to
• 1:16:40
  Lowell where normal sister died. And he as he's watching her
• 1:16:44
  Jana's becoming more and more erratic after killing his
• 1:16:48
  sister, Jane sort of moved in with him and he's like, I'm
• 1:16:51
  going to take care of the house. I'm going to show Armel.
• 1:16:53
  How good of a wife? I am a normal is just like,
• 1:16:56
  thank you for the help but I don't want you as a wife
• 1:16:58
  housekeeper or a wife. So she poisoned his tea with
• 1:17:01
  morphia Just enough to make him sick so she could nurse him back
• 1:17:04
  to health and she's like, now he'll see a great wife, he
• 1:17:08
  doesn't care. He's like, okay, it's time for
• 1:17:10
  you to go. Thanks for your help.
• 1:17:13
  So James feels rejected and betrayed.
• 1:17:15
  She's like, I'm doing so much for this man.
• 1:17:17
  So she threatens him saying, I'm gonna tell your friends that I'm
• 1:17:21
  pregnant and you're the father. Or most like enough leave.
• 1:17:30
  And so on that same day, September 29th, she overdoses on
• 1:17:34
  morphine, he finds her passed out, call the doctor, the doctor
• 1:17:37
  gives her an emetic, which causes her to vomit.
• 1:17:40
  They get her a nurse and Jane convinces the nurse We're going
• 1:17:46
  to pause the dog is like spazzing out.
• 1:17:50
  It's gonna hit that stop button. Yep.
• 1:17:52
  Thank you. Of course.
• 1:17:56
  So they give Jane a nurse like her own nurse and she convinces
• 1:18:02
  that lady too. That she feels good again.
• 1:18:07
  And so the nurse is like, oh, I'm gonna go downstairs and make
• 1:18:09
  you breakfast. As soon as the nurse is, going
• 1:18:11
  to get her breakfast. Jane tries to kill herself again
• 1:18:15
  and they try and force them, Medic in her mouth.
• 1:18:18
  The doctor shows up. And when he sees that she's not
• 1:18:20
  swallowing, he just gives her an injection of something called
• 1:18:23
  apomorphine. And she vomits immediately.
• 1:18:27
  When asked why she tried to kill herself, the doc.
• 1:18:29
  She tells the doctor I'm tired of life.
• 1:18:31
  I know people are talking about me.
• 1:18:32
  I just want to die. I don't think she gave herself a
• 1:18:36
  lethal dose. I think she's still trying to
• 1:18:38
  get sympathy from normal as soon as he's healthy, he's like, all
• 1:18:41
  right, time to go now. So the detective follows her as
• 1:18:48
  she goes up to Amherst. New Hampshire to visit her
• 1:18:51
  friends and she has this like whole week.
• 1:18:53
  It's like a whole couple weeks of fun trip.
• 1:18:55
  She talks about in her writing. Oh, it was such a good time.
• 1:18:58
  There were so many people. And so October 29th, when the
• 1:19:02
  detective, and two other police officers, show up to get her.
• 1:19:06
  And her friends are very confused and James, like, okay,
• 1:19:09
  I'll come with you. But she later tells the police
• 1:19:12
  that she absolutely was going to kill both George and
• 1:19:15
  sarah.nicholls just for the hell of it.
• 1:19:19
  The second she's arrested Jane is big news and they're all
• 1:19:22
  these articles across the Northeast about her.
• 1:19:24
  They're like the most extraordinary killer in the
• 1:19:27
  annals of human crime and James like I'm innocent.
• 1:19:30
  I have no idea what you're talking about so they take her,
• 1:19:32
  she has her arraignment on the 31st and they're like, what do
• 1:19:35
  you plead? She's like not guilty, she tells
• 1:19:37
  the press the same thing. They're like, oh she's so nice
• 1:19:40
  and sweet and stoic. Anybody and everyone who was
• 1:19:43
  connected to Jane and some way they chase down from landlords
• 1:19:47
  to clients to church, people who knew her, when she was a child,
• 1:19:50
  the the press to Deuce that like she must be like a morphine
• 1:19:53
  addict because she seems so nice.
• 1:19:55
  Like, what could have possibly caused her to do this. the day
• 1:20:00
  Miss Family, Doctor Who would actually missed the clues diet
• 1:20:03
  10 days before Jane was arrested and so James, listen, I'll
• 1:20:07
  explain everything that I did for the family, like, you know,
• 1:20:11
  doctor ladder would have been able to tell you more, but The
• 1:20:15
  police are sure. She was just like women of the
• 1:20:18
  past who used Arsenic and they try to find a record of her
• 1:20:20
  buying any, but there is it because that's not what she did.
• 1:20:24
  See, Professor would was an expert on arsenic poisoning.
• 1:20:28
  He had create he made an assumption that ended up being
• 1:20:30
  correct, but with the wrong method, Captain Gibbs told the
• 1:20:35
  Press how she came onto him after his wife died and then the
• 1:20:41
  reporters turned on her. Saying that she was, she killed
• 1:20:44
  her friend for money and marriage.
• 1:20:48
  The presumption is really went on as the state.
• 1:20:51
  I tried to build a case against her and she remained quiet and
• 1:20:55
  the state decided to send a couple doctors in to talk to
• 1:20:58
  Jane on. March 20th it do to dr.
• 1:21:00
  George F. Jelly, and Jela and Hosea and
• 1:21:05
  Quinn became the Barnstable jail to speak.
• 1:21:07
  To her Jane is immediately suspicious but she does launch
• 1:21:10
  into her bizarre life story and she maintains her innocence and
• 1:21:14
  her personality but the doctors are like she's a pathological
• 1:21:18
  liar. And she denies murder.
• 1:21:22
  And finally, she's like, yeah, I killed like 12 people.
• 1:21:25
  And I like setting fires and she begins detailing this, and they
• 1:21:29
  just let her talk, it's all measured.
• 1:21:31
  No grief, no sorrow. She told her poisoning was a
• 1:21:34
  habit of her life and they begin looking into her real life.
• 1:21:39
  And so this is what the doctors come to a consensus about Jane's
• 1:21:44
  mental state. So they say one, the president
• 1:21:46
  Jane top incomes of a family in which intemperance and mental
• 1:21:50
  weakness in our disorders are prominent in her family to her,
• 1:21:54
  utter lack of moral sense. Has been evident from childhood
• 1:21:56
  and her incorrigible proclivity to falsehood dishonesty
• 1:22:00
  mischief-making, General, unreliability, and probable
• 1:22:03
  theft the good moral mental and religious training, which she
• 1:22:06
  received in her youth resulted in no modification.
• 1:22:09
  Of her character and we're practically thrown away on her.
• 1:22:11
  In that respect three. Her moral insensibility is
• 1:22:15
  further apparent in the absence of sense of fear before during
• 1:22:18
  her after the commission of the crime and of reports sorrow or
• 1:22:21
  Genuine affection at any time, this defect is even more
• 1:22:24
  forcibly shown by the fact that her Chief victims were her
• 1:22:27
  friends for her lack of any appreciation of her situation,
• 1:22:33
  her levity, under some circumstances and her inability
• 1:22:35
  to realize the enormity of these Deeds are strong It's of mental
• 1:22:39
  weakness has five that irresistible propensity
• 1:22:43
  propelled, her to crimes of arson and murder is shown by the
• 1:22:46
  great frequency and variety of such acts and her Continuum
• 1:22:52
  continuance in them regardless of consequences.
• 1:22:54
  I'm sorry they wrote very right old-timey.
• 1:22:56
  Y'all sex. There's an absence of any
• 1:23:00
  apparent motive for her crimes, in some cases and inadequacy of
• 1:23:04
  motives and any others, this is shown and total lack of
• 1:23:08
  evidence. It's of pecuniary gain or
• 1:23:11
  satisfaction in Revenge as a rule except for minor thefts or
• 1:23:15
  transient Amity. So essentially like she would
• 1:23:18
  like steel to get back at people but they're like the murders not
• 1:23:24
  making sense here. They're like a sane criminal has
• 1:23:29
  incentive to kill people, The Prisoner, and then seven, the
• 1:23:34
  prisoners disease, history and present, mental state,
• 1:23:36
  correspond with well-recognized forms of, mental disease of
• 1:23:40
  moral type due to congenital degeneration of which there may
• 1:23:45
  be little, or no intellectual disturbance.
• 1:23:47
  So essentially, they think there's something wrong with her
• 1:23:49
  brain, but it's not like she's losing her faculties, the
• 1:23:53
  doctors are like we're good, she's insane.
• 1:23:56
  And the New York Journal Prince, a confession to Jane's lawyer.
• 1:23:59
  Where she said she was saying that she killed 31 people and
• 1:24:01
  she wanted to be seen as seen in courts that she might get out of
• 1:24:03
  prison one day. Well, here's the thing I changed
• 1:24:07
  trial. She still insists?
• 1:24:08
  She's saying saying she knew she was doing wrong and she's aware
• 1:24:11
  of it. She told the police that she
• 1:24:13
  gained sexual satisfaction from killing and how she stroked them
• 1:24:16
  and kissed on them, did not matter, they were hell-bent on
• 1:24:20
  saying that she was insane. So the trial begins June 23rd,
• 1:24:24
  1902 Jane's court-appointed Ernie does exactly what he plans
• 1:24:27
  to do crew of Not Guilty by insanity.
• 1:24:30
  This trial did not even last one day, they write her confession
• 1:24:35
  members of the Davis Family corroborated her statement and
• 1:24:38
  at 5:12 p.m. they found her Not Guilty.
• 1:24:40
  By reason of insanity and a judge sentenced heard of natural
• 1:24:43
  life in the Taunton. Insane Hospital only person in
• 1:24:47
  the room who smiled was Jane. She left the hot courtroom
• 1:24:50
  happy. Seems like a done deal but then
• 1:24:54
  Jane tells her lawyers. Well, this isn't the only
• 1:24:56
  killing I've ever done. And he's like, what?
• 1:25:00
  And she's like, well, I've been poisoning people ever since I
• 1:25:02
  was a nursing student because like, I'm sure I killed a lot
• 1:25:05
  more than 31 people but like, I don't know.
• 1:25:09
  Like what? So there was this doctor who is
• 1:25:11
  preparing like a psychological evaluation of her for a journal,
• 1:25:15
  and he like the lawyers, like he tells that guy and he's like,
• 1:25:18
  what do we do about this? And the doctors, like I'm going
• 1:25:21
  to go to the hospitals to learn more about her on June 24th.
• 1:25:25
  The Boston Globe, labels, Jane, the greatest criminal in
• 1:25:29
  history, the Boston Travelers called her, the most horrible
• 1:25:33
  case of degeneracy. The world has ever known.
• 1:25:38
  They do believe that James will may have killed an excess of 100
• 1:25:41
  plus people, but we'll never really know for sure.
• 1:25:43
  And she did go down in history as being one of the more
• 1:25:45
  prolific, poisoners up her day and ours, Jane gave a full, a
• 1:25:50
  more chilling, confession to the press that I'm going to read
• 1:25:52
  parts of it for you. So she says I was advised to
• 1:25:56
  confess and plead guilty to the murder of the 31 persons, who am
• 1:25:59
  I have sent out of this world by poisoning but I thought of a
• 1:26:02
  better way than that when the famous and Sydney Experts of
• 1:26:05
  Boston, dr. Henry Steadman, dr.
• 1:26:07
  George Judge F jelly and dr. Hosea Quimby came to the
• 1:26:11
  Barnstable jail to see if I was insane.
• 1:26:13
  I knew how to fool them. I have been a trained nurse for
• 1:26:16
  15 years, and I know doctors and just how to manage them.
• 1:26:20
  I know that people who are really insane will always deny
• 1:26:22
  it. So I said to the alienists, I am
• 1:26:24
  not insane. I knew I could fool them if I
• 1:26:27
  wanted to and make myself out insane, doctor jelly, and the
• 1:26:30
  others Reiki with hard questions, they tried to play on
• 1:26:33
  my women. Sympathy and asked me if I
• 1:26:35
  didn't think it was a terrible thing to take those.
• 1:26:37
  Others mrs. Gibbs and mrs.
• 1:26:39
  Gordon away from their young children, but I knew that game
• 1:26:42
  and I said, I just up and killed them and I don't know why.
• 1:26:45
  When I said that, I killed four people on 51 days and set Three
• 1:26:48
  Fires. They said, why Jane you must
• 1:26:50
  have been insane to have such a thing but I insisted.
• 1:26:53
  I was not insane and I did not want them to make me out insane.
• 1:26:56
  And they went away and gave their verdict.
• 1:26:58
  That I was in saying, which is exactly what I wanted.
• 1:27:01
  I was too smart for the whole of them.
• 1:27:03
  I have the most spunk and grit of any person living, but I
• 1:27:07
  Haven't told exactly how I poison these people.
• 1:27:09
  It was with morphea mostly and sometimes atrophy at Murphy and
• 1:27:13
  @u P a week in the hearts conditions and leave very little
• 1:27:16
  Trace behind for a doctor or chemists exact.
• 1:27:18
  They are vegetable places and unlike Arsenic and other mineral
• 1:27:21
  poisons which are easily detectable by using morphia and
• 1:27:25
  attribute on. Many Gibbs was what.
• 1:27:27
  So puzzled Professor would the famous chemist of Harvard
• 1:27:31
  University, he could find some traces of morphia and the parts
• 1:27:34
  of the body he was examining, but there were some
• 1:27:36
  complications He was utterly at a loss to explain.
• 1:27:40
  It was not until I confessed that I use at rupiah.
• 1:27:43
  That Professor would was able to apply the test to make sure of
• 1:27:47
  his analysis, if my poison. So could so fool, a great
• 1:27:51
  physician and chemists like doctor would, you can see how
• 1:27:54
  much easier it was to deceive General Practitioners, this is
• 1:27:58
  how it happens. That Physicians have given
• 1:28:00
  certificates for heart disease, diabetes, fatty degeneration of
• 1:28:04
  the heart prostration, anemia and the cases.
• 1:28:07
  Of all the people. I've killed almost any person in
• 1:28:10
  middle life when dosed with hunyadi and Yadi water.
• 1:28:13
  And drugged with more Fianna tropea will show a symptom of
• 1:28:16
  those diseases soon after I became a nurse 15 years ago,
• 1:28:20
  when I was about 30 years old, it came into my head, I don't
• 1:28:23
  know how that I could kill people just as easy as not with
• 1:28:26
  very medicine that the doctors give their patients after I
• 1:28:30
  tried it in a few cases and it worked well and they didn't
• 1:28:32
  suspect me. I thought how easily I could put
• 1:28:35
  people out of the way that I wanted to.
• 1:28:37
  My first victims, were hospital patients.
• 1:28:39
  I experimenting on them with? What?
• 1:28:41
  The doctors call, a scientific interest.
• 1:28:43
  I can't repeat the names of those cases because I never knew
• 1:28:46
  them. They just went by numbers in the
• 1:28:48
  hospital. Ward.
• 1:28:48
  Anyway, that was when I was at Cambridge hospital.
• 1:28:51
  Perhaps it was a dozen people. I experimented on in this way,
• 1:28:54
  but you mustn't think I killed all the patients and in my care
• 1:28:56
  in the hospital. I nursed back to health, several
• 1:29:00
  bad cases, of typhoid fever, one of the physicians at the
• 1:29:03
  hospital, suspected me, but he dared not accuse me of
• 1:29:06
  poisoning. So I was simply discharged, I
• 1:29:09
  didn't care about that because I'm as made up my mind that I
• 1:29:11
  could make more money and have an easier time.
• 1:29:14
  Going out by the day, in the families, people say I have no
• 1:29:17
  heart but I do when I've been in jail, a friend and loyal sent me
• 1:29:20
  some forget-me-nots and I cried, they were the flowers that my
• 1:29:23
  first lover used to send me. When I was a schoolgirl.
• 1:29:26
  I'm a forget-me-not was engraved on that precious engagement
• 1:29:29
  ring. I thought it was a bird but
• 1:29:31
  whatever. I will never tell my girlhood
• 1:29:35
  lover's name that it was still sacred to me, even though he
• 1:29:37
  went back on me. And it seemed that my whole
• 1:29:39
  light-hearted nature changed after that.
• 1:29:42
  I still laughed and was Jolly, but I learned how to hate to.
• 1:29:45
  If I had been a married woman, I probably would have not killed
• 1:29:48
  all these people. I would have had a husband, my
• 1:29:50
  children in my home to take up my mind.
• 1:29:52
  Like all Psychopaths though, Jane was only capable of really
• 1:29:56
  feeling sorry for herself and pretty much at the end of this
• 1:29:59
  confession. She says, I could have worked
• 1:30:02
  for years longer at If I hadn't killed four people in one family
• 1:30:05
  almost all at once that was the greatest mistake of my life and
• 1:30:11
  then she says that she deserves to be punished for all these
• 1:30:14
  murders. And she says, I've made up my
• 1:30:18
  mind to being sent to an insane asylum but I have hopes of
• 1:30:21
  getting out in 10 or 15 years when my doctors say that I'm
• 1:30:24
  cured of insanity. Well, Jay never got what she
• 1:30:28
  wanted. We're she was never released and
• 1:30:31
  she died in prison, correction a facility. 34 years later she got
• 1:30:37
  sick on July 1st 1938. She was stuck bedroom for a
• 1:30:40
  month. She died on August 17th.
• 1:30:41
  At 18 at 81 years old from bronchopneumonia with chronic
• 1:30:45
  myocarditis as a contributing factor.
• 1:30:48
  So she had pneumonia and also heart issues.
• 1:30:51
  She spent all her time in prison, reading romance novels
• 1:30:53
  writing her own strange books, and making jokes.
• 1:30:56
  Jokes with the other nurses about killing patients with
• 1:31:00
  morphine. Just such a funny topic.
• 1:31:04
  Oh my God, I'm sure they loved it.
• 1:31:05
  She would literally like be like, if somebody was like a
• 1:31:08
  pain, she'd be like, yeah, let's get that morphine and take care
• 1:31:11
  of them. I had to pull the confession
• 1:31:22
  because they never confessed, their never honest.
• 1:31:25
  Mhm. anybody make yeah, it's yeah, they make it sound like
• 1:31:38
  Harley in pain, right? Killing people.
• 1:31:41
  Nope, she was just straight up. Like yeah, y'all fucking I'm
• 1:31:43
  smart and I just think they party hard.
• 1:31:50
  Mike. Is it guys at least killed like
• 1:31:53
  12 at each of these hospitals? But I don't know.
• 1:31:56
  They were on numbers. Weird story, weird lady.
• 1:32:00
  Yeah, absolutely. Hopefully with that.
• 1:32:03
  Jane was a weird one. But yeah, that's all I got for
• 1:32:05
  you today. A little more lighthearted than,
• 1:32:09
  you know, talking about rape all the time.
• 1:32:13
  Yeah absolutely. I did enjoy this.
• 1:32:17
  I mean Channel but you know I just I didn't hate it.
• 1:32:21
  At least not as much, okay. Today is the first day of
• 1:32:34
  October. The first day of the spooky
• 1:32:39
  month so I'm going to let you tell I want to do something a
• 1:32:47
  little different today. I got you a tale in and I got
• 1:32:51
  you a Cryptid so boom boom the cables, it's short.
• 1:32:56
  That's why I added a cryptid on because like that's not going to
• 1:32:59
  be long enough. Oh okay well we'll see all right
• 1:33:05
  so For the beginning of our favorite favorite month.
• 1:33:11
  I will be telling y'all the legend of the jack-o'-lantern.
• 1:33:16
  Oh, hello became a thing. Yeah.
• 1:33:22
  Until I can hear the excitement in your voice.
• 1:33:25
  No. It's one of the things I do
• 1:33:27
  things that like what come up with like the kindergarteners at
• 1:33:29
  school and I'd be like, I don't know.
• 1:33:33
  Oh, So now I might have an answer.
• 1:33:36
  If the children asked me how Jacqueline's were created, I
• 1:33:40
  might have to modify it so it's not scary but it's yeah.
• 1:33:45
  Just. Um, okay.
• 1:33:47
  So basically this tale comes from Irish folklore that's
• 1:33:51
  basically where the legend of the jack-o'-lantern comes from
• 1:33:55
  Irish folklore and Irish immigrants would bring you know,
• 1:33:59
  they brought the story over to America.
• 1:34:02
  So I at first, they started using turnips and potatoes.
• 1:34:11
  I did hear about that. Yes, yes.
• 1:34:14
  How are those two tiny, they did it.
• 1:34:18
  They found a way. And then once a week, once they
• 1:34:23
  came to America you know you got pumpkins now.
• 1:34:25
  So they're like, let's just carve these things up.
• 1:34:28
  Instead they're a lot bigger. Okay, so this is the tail and
• 1:34:36
  it's called The Legend of stinging Jack.
• 1:34:42
  So people have been making jack-o'-lanterns at Halloween
• 1:34:45
  for centuries. Their Factory is originated from
• 1:34:48
  an Irish myth about a man named stinking Jack, according to the
• 1:34:53
  story, stinging, Jack invited. The devil to have a drink with
• 1:34:57
  him, true to his name, singing, Jack didn't want to pay for his
• 1:35:01
  drink. So he convinced the devil to
• 1:35:03
  turn himself into a coin that Jack could use to buy their
• 1:35:07
  drinks. Once the devil did so Jack
• 1:35:10
  decided to keep them. Money and put it in his pocket
• 1:35:14
  next to us over cross. Which prevented the devil from
• 1:35:18
  changing back to his original form.
• 1:35:21
  Jack. Eventually freed, the devil
• 1:35:24
  under the condition that he would not bother Jack for one
• 1:35:27
  year and that gesture Jack died. He would not claim his soul.
• 1:35:32
  So, the next year, Jack again, trick the devil into climbing,
• 1:35:36
  into a tree, to pick a piece of fruit.
• 1:35:40
  Well, he was up in a tree Jack. Carter is sign of the cross on
• 1:35:44
  to the trees bark, so that the devil Could now come down until
• 1:35:48
  the devil promised Jack, not to bother him or 10 more years.
• 1:35:53
  Soon after Jack died, as the legend goes, God would not allow
• 1:35:58
  such an unsavory figure in heaven.
• 1:36:01
  The devil upset by the trick jacket played on him.
• 1:36:05
  And keeping his word not to claim, his soul would not allow
• 1:36:10
  Jack into hell. He sent jack off into the night,
• 1:36:13
  into the dark night, was only a burning coal to light his way.
• 1:36:19
  Jack put the coal into a carved out turn up and has been roaming
• 1:36:23
  the Earth ever. Since the Irish began to refer
• 1:36:28
  to this ghostly figure as Jack of the Lantern and then.
• 1:36:34
  Hmm, you're right. And this then they certain it to
• 1:36:42
  jack-o'-lantern. So in Iran has got one people
• 1:36:47
  began to make Own versions of Jack's lanterns by carving.
• 1:36:51
  Scary faces and turnips, and potatoes, and placing them into
• 1:36:55
  Windows or near doors, to frighten away, stinking Jack and
• 1:36:59
  other wandering evil spirits in England, large beats were used
• 1:37:06
  immigrants from both countries, brought the jack-o'-lantern
• 1:37:09
  tradition. What them when they came to the
• 1:37:10
  United States? They soon found that pumpkins a
• 1:37:14
  fruit native to America. That's right.
• 1:37:16
  Pumpkins are fruit. They discover America, they made
• 1:37:22
  perfect jack-o'-lanterns much. So that's yeah, absolutely, my
• 1:37:29
  whole thing is like, all these tales about people tricking the
• 1:37:33
  devil. I'm like, is the devil really
• 1:37:35
  that dumb restricted to turn into a coin or to like climb a
• 1:37:38
  tree. So you can get a fruit.
• 1:37:42
  I'm just like, I don't think so. But yeah, that's the problem.
• 1:37:50
  Like, I say, probably not. So that's the, that's the legend
• 1:37:55
  of the jack-o'-lantern for our very first day of October.
• 1:37:58
  So when you see jack-o'-lanterns out, when you carve your
• 1:38:02
  pumpkins this year, just think of singing Jack and tricking the
• 1:38:06
  devil into paying for your drinks.
• 1:38:10
  I'd probably took a job with me for my drinks.
• 1:38:12
  I'd actually want to do that now.
• 1:38:16
  Yeah. Okay, so the Cryptid I have for
• 1:38:22
  today so I found this list of Cryptids for October to talk
• 1:38:30
  about. So I'm going to start with the
• 1:38:33
  first one. That's on the list, which is you
• 1:38:36
  probably heard of it before. Let's go Kate.
• 1:38:38
  Eep and I have not talked about it, you don't know anything
• 1:38:44
  about the skunk ape. Oh Brittany, it's horrible.
• 1:38:52
  Well, the as a name implies this going to keep smells really,
• 1:38:56
  really terrible. Let's go, Kate is basically
• 1:38:59
  Bigfoot. Okay, okay, I'm just going to
• 1:39:03
  say that it's Bigfoot but not really.
• 1:39:06
  I don't tell people in Florida that because You're going to
• 1:39:09
  like know we have the skunk ape so the Skokie, it's a Florida.
• 1:39:17
  Let me I'll get to that. So let's go Kate, actually this
• 1:39:22
  concrete really actually appears in like all those Southern
• 1:39:26
  Easterns States. So you got Texas, Georgia
• 1:39:31
  Louisiana, but Florida Florida. They love this country.
• 1:39:41
  So it has black for glowing red eyes.
• 1:39:46
  It's like it's consider Bigfoot, but it looks a lot like an
• 1:39:52
  eight, Okay. And like like I said, based on
• 1:39:56
  if its name, its smelly hairy man on that.
• 1:39:59
  Yeah. It smells smells so terrible.
• 1:40:11
  There. Of course, I've been, sightings
• 1:40:13
  of set skunk ape, the first two were in the 60s and 70s.
• 1:40:25
  There's nothing 70s. I guess to Palm Beach County.
• 1:40:29
  Sheriff! Deputy deputies, Marvin and
• 1:40:33
  Ernie. I love the names.
• 1:40:37
  They said that, you know, they reported that he saw an ape-like
• 1:40:40
  creature that stock that's talk them through the Grove before
• 1:40:45
  any shot at it. Of course, like, why would you
• 1:40:49
  why would you not shoot at you know something that's just you
• 1:40:52
  know minding its own business. I mean probably stalking you
• 1:40:56
  exactly. Like it's like this is our
• 1:40:59
  costumes out. It could have been just a man
• 1:41:02
  and he's just trying to trick you all and play a joke but
• 1:41:06
  y'all want Try to shoot at. Okay.
• 1:41:08
  Cool. We talk about that right now.
• 1:41:17
  So, the issue that I'm in, they follow the trail of, I guess the
• 1:41:21
  footprints that were I don't left off their.
• 1:41:23
  They left behind by this thing and they they found a piece of
• 1:41:30
  its fur. That had been like stuck on some
• 1:41:33
  Barbed Wire. Yeah.
• 1:41:39
  So that was like the end of that report.
• 1:41:41
  So in the, this is all in the 70s.
• 1:41:44
  So after this, initial sighting, It's there for like four years.
• 1:41:50
  There were like, like, this, this thing.
• 1:41:54
  There's this thing. I don't know.
• 1:41:55
  It'll take a big Hairy Ape out here.
• 1:41:57
  Just stalking us. What the hell?
• 1:41:59
  And this is happening around Broward County, Florida.
• 1:42:07
  A lot of people have said, this is like, he's like 5 to 7 foot
• 1:42:12
  tall. Eight like creature is dark
• 1:42:15
  hair. Black hair right off?
• 1:42:17
  Size and he's just like in know which is creeping at us.
• 1:42:22
  Like what's going on? So all the newspapers in
• 1:42:28
  Florida, they're covering is really this.
• 1:42:32
  Yeah. They're like you got local news,
• 1:42:35
  newspapers, whatever, just go on all from this, people are like
• 1:42:41
  seeing this thing that they've now dubbed, the skunk ape
• 1:42:44
  because stinky boy, because he's a smelly guy because like all
• 1:42:50
  that fur, of course he goes. Smell really, really bad.
• 1:42:57
  But apparently, they call him scum cake too because he's black
• 1:43:00
  fur and he has that little white patch going on there.
• 1:43:04
  So it was like a skunk to he smells like a skunk it's but
• 1:43:10
  yeah. Apparently this thing has been
• 1:43:12
  like em like breaking into houses.
• 1:43:15
  It's been stalking, the like right.
• 1:43:17
  Stalking people. Yeah.
• 1:43:26
  Somebody one of the, I guess a local police officer said that
• 1:43:29
  he hit us, the skunk ape with his car because it was just like
• 1:43:34
  running out in the street I guess.
• 1:43:35
  And then this left a very, very big dent in his.
• 1:43:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:43:46
  But yeah, skunky you, if you ever go down to Florida or
• 1:43:51
  Texas, Just Everglades, I guess like they're big wooded areas.
• 1:43:58
  That's where you'll find the skunk ape.
• 1:44:04
  There have been a lot of pictures taken nice, since I
• 1:44:09
  said, sir, from a distance of course, but in the year of 2000,
• 1:44:21
  there was a videotaping taken by by guy.
• 1:44:29
  His name is Dave, she lie. And this man is like this
• 1:44:37
  self-proclaimed skunk 8 expert. And this.
• 1:44:47
  Okay, so this happens, like, I guess a couple days before
• 1:44:50
  Christmas, this is no, no, no, no.
• 1:44:54
  That's a different story. That's a different story that
• 1:44:58
  happens. Sorry, my notes are all over the
• 1:45:03
  damn place. Okay, so this does happen.
• 1:45:10
  You're 2000 Baht. Okay.
• 1:45:13
  So this guy, Dave, she lie. So he actually said that.
• 1:45:18
  The first time he saw the skunky was when he was 10 years old.
• 1:45:24
  Yeah, it was like I guess his dad had found some footprints
• 1:45:31
  that were left by the skunky and he was like, oh well then he's
• 1:45:39
  like it was walking across the swamp and my brother spotted it
• 1:45:42
  first, but I couldn't see it over the grass that wasn't tall.
• 1:45:45
  Enough of course, Live. But I guess his brother picked
• 1:45:59
  him up and he saw he saw it like a hundred hundred yards away.
• 1:46:04
  We were he's like we were just kids but we'd heard about it and
• 1:46:07
  knew for sure what we were looking at it looked like a man
• 1:46:11
  but completely covered with hair so he you know his brother him
• 1:46:17
  and his brother out here they are they're like in awe of this
• 1:46:22
  big old Bigfoot type of thing. After like they spot it starts
• 1:46:30
  raining and then it's going to keep runs away and then he's
• 1:46:36
  like holy crap. I think I finally saw this thing
• 1:46:40
  after hearing about it for so many years, growing up the skunk
• 1:46:44
  ape. The skunk and it's his name.
• 1:46:49
  I'm so sorry, it's fine. It's not.
• 1:46:53
  I didn't make the name up. Oh care.
• 1:46:57
  But in the end, the year 2000 in July, not December July.
• 1:47:04
  There's another story about December.
• 1:47:07
  I may not tell them about that but this is the one I want to
• 1:47:12
  talk about. In July 2000.
• 1:47:16
  Dave scheele captures video of the skunky.
• 1:47:24
  Walking across the, I guess, the Everglades, whatever, the swampy
• 1:47:28
  area that's in Florida. Let me see.
• 1:47:32
  Let me share this to you. I sent it into the chat.
• 1:47:35
  I should just already had it saved and ready to go.
• 1:47:38
  But you know. Come on.
• 1:47:44
  But yet in this video, you will see a humanoid ape-like
• 1:47:52
  creature. Walking just, you know, at first
• 1:47:57
  he is doing some type of like stride and stuff and then he's
• 1:48:02
  just like chilling walking and stuff like that.
• 1:48:08
  It's I'm sending. I'm saying Boom, check it out.
• 1:48:18
  No problem but you can see it looks. like, what do you call?
• 1:48:28
  What would you say is? Looks like a just like one of
• 1:48:30
  those big foot trail camera photo like videos, you know?
• 1:48:35
  I mean, he's just out there chilling.
• 1:48:40
  And somehow this guy, Dave, he just Happens to capture this
• 1:48:49
  thing. That's a skunky.
• 1:48:53
  Walking. And yeah, and I will leave that
• 1:49:01
  up to your imagination. If you think that thing is real
• 1:49:05
  or maybe it's his older brother in a costume.
• 1:49:22
  But yeah. They like the thing, it just
• 1:49:28
  it's just walking around like these palm trees and then it
• 1:49:35
  begins to like break into this run somewhere as yeah, as like
• 1:49:43
  it knows it's being watched. So it just like kind of like
• 1:49:46
  disappears after that Shirley says that the swamp was covered
• 1:49:55
  Bye, like a foot of water. So yeah, he was like, okay,
• 1:50:03
  yeah. It's a big something like people
• 1:50:12
  were like okay so it's definitely not like dying in a
• 1:50:15
  gorilla suit because there was water, you had to brush is no
• 1:50:18
  way of human could run through all that as fast as it was
• 1:50:23
  going. Um, so a lot of people
• 1:50:32
  specifically while biologists are like this, funky does not
• 1:50:37
  exist. Okay?
• 1:50:39
  now, people can, like, of course, say that they see, like,
• 1:50:45
  magical creatures or Cryptids everywhere, from time to time,
• 1:50:50
  but like, This video. It's like spark something.
• 1:50:56
  So it's like, it gave like evidence of there being
• 1:51:01
  something out there. It's like, there's probably like
• 1:51:05
  a giant hairy gorilla ape. Looking thing that looks like a
• 1:51:08
  skunk wander around Florida / Texas.
• 1:51:15
  Just knowing up and breaking into people's homes.
• 1:51:19
  I just love that part. I don't know why.
• 1:51:23
  Just Breath. He's a stalker skunky, and he's
• 1:51:28
  hunting. That's the truth.
• 1:51:32
  You should will post that link to in the notes section of
• 1:51:38
  videos of people can look at it. I don't know what it is.
• 1:51:40
  Yeah. A lot of people are saying like
• 1:51:48
  this is like this is weak evidence.
• 1:51:50
  You like, you know like a lot of people because you know yeah
• 1:51:53
  Skeptics out there of course who are just like I hi Probably
• 1:52:00
  don't believe in his come gate but I probably more in the
• 1:52:03
  Bigfoot but that's that's about me.
• 1:52:09
  But there was like, Hey, look. Look at this video you can't.
• 1:52:16
  You can't tell me that's not something that's out there.
• 1:52:20
  But yeah a lot of people love says concave like okay,
• 1:52:29
  particularly everybody in Florida.
• 1:52:32
  Who wasn't for who come from Florida?
• 1:52:34
  They were born in Florida. They know all about skunk ape.
• 1:52:36
  You know why? Because it's, I guess apparently
• 1:52:39
  it's an unofficial mascot for like the Wilderness in Rourke
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  Archer. I'm pretty sure I saw something
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  about. A skunkfest, a Lord.
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  Let me see. I bet you I could find his real
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  quick. Yes, I can real real quick and
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  guess when it takes place. Wait, no, that's a different
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  one. Okay, never mind.
• 1:53:18
  Let me write skunk ape this. Because there's a skunk fast but
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  I think it's a different thing. When is your festivals going to
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  keep people? I need to know.
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  To make this a lot more funnier than it is.
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  God, I don't know. I took place in October.
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  I'm pretty sure it takes place. Marking that sounds fun.
• 1:53:50
  Yeah, they also give tours of I guess the We're just going to
• 1:54:02
  check out. skunk ape that info, its The only do they have webs
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  of website, they have apparel. So you want some skunk ape
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  finger feet or some trucker hats at have a skunk ape on it?
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  Or you gotta you want a skunk ape hunting permit?
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  Hey, this is your place to go and yes, I am giving you a free
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  shot a hook. Check out this going to eat it.
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  Like they got so much. I'm trying to find.
• 1:54:42
  I want to find out, they probably don't have, it is what
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  it is. I was pretty sure I saw
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  something about skunk egg festival, and I got really
• 1:54:52
  excited and I was like, yes, I think it like it takes place.
• 1:54:56
  Of course, takes place in Florida, but I read that.
• 1:55:00
  It's like whoever makes like the best can kick mask or something
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  like that. They went to a contest.
• 1:55:10
  It's, it's real funny. Oh, and it's going to keep has
• 1:55:16
  another name. Of course.
• 1:55:18
  It's is called Bigfoot. No, it's called.
• 1:55:32
  Yes Bigfoot. Um, it's called the Myakka
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  eight. I'm not sure if that is
• 1:55:43
  anything, but whatever. I just like the pictures of it
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  and like I like the video of it too.
• 1:55:50
  Okay. In the listeners to decide.
• 1:55:57
  If they think it's something or not I bet you anybody from
• 1:56:02
  Florida. Be like, oh yeah, yeah, we know
• 1:56:04
  about this is true too. It's just like West Virginia,
• 1:56:11
  okay? With all their cryptids in like,
• 1:56:14
  My fans the only legit 10K Mothman and maybe the Flatwoods
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  Monster and maybe the great. I do like the Flatwoods Monster
• 1:56:22
  but the Flatwoods Monster is just an alien.
• 1:56:24
  Yeah, see ya? Yeah, you're right.
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  It didn't stay. It's just came here to look
• 1:56:28
  cute. Little alien dress.
• 1:56:34
  Oh my God. What?
• 1:56:35
  Yeah, skunk ape. Look it up.
• 1:56:40
  If you don't believe if you don't believe you better start
• 1:56:43
  believing because it's a thing and that's what I got.
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  Yeah well thanks for listening yes yes we do and happy October
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  happy act two.