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The Russian Doll Man - Anatoly Moskvin · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We all find comfort in different things. It may be
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  Speaker 1: simple you enjoy listening to music, reading a book, or
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  Speaker 1: doing a crossword puzzle. But some people find comfort in
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  Speaker 1: things far more sinister. In the story of Anatole moskn
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  Speaker 1: he found comfort in the deceased, and for nine years
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  Speaker 1: he would go about saving the abandon at least that's
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  Speaker 1: what he convinced himself he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, I'm Ben and this is Wicked and Grim,
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  Speaker 2: a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning following podcasteien listener dis question is that, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So that's option A, and this is option B.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying so hard. I didn't set myself.
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  Speaker 1: You have done no way that anyone did not give Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Anyway, welcome back to Wicked Ingram.
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  Speaker 1: ready to roll?
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  Speaker 2: I think, So what do you got for us today?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so today we're talking about anatotlely moskmin Sweet. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know who this is?
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  Speaker 2: I they do only because of you telling me slight
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  Speaker 2: little things about him. If it wasn't for you saying anything,
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  Speaker 2: I would have had no clue.
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  Speaker 1: I've actually had this case on my list for quite
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  Speaker 1: a while. I'd probably say, like a good year for
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  Speaker 1: some reason, I haven't done it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Well, I mean we do have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: cases like that that are just sitting on our list,
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  Speaker 2: waiting for one day, the right day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I write shit down in books and
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  Speaker 1: then I forget about the book, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Anatolely was born in Russia in nineteen sixty six.
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  Speaker 1: He had a love for learning that started at a
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  Speaker 1: very young age. And to give you an idea just
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  Speaker 1: how smart he was. By the time he graduated from
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  Speaker 1: Moscow State University, Anatoly was fluent in thirteen languages. Holy shit,
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  Speaker 1: that is beyond that. How was my mind old? Once
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  Speaker 1: he had graduated from university.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, so he's probably like maybe twenty twenty two, twenty
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  Speaker 2: five tops something like that. Yeah, because is that that
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  Speaker 2: not that you can't be older to graduate university. Don't
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  Speaker 2: get me wrong, it's just that era. Usually they're quite
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  Speaker 2: young to graduate.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, and I believe that he kind of went
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  Speaker 1: after high school, went to university kind of thing. There
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  Speaker 1: wasn't any breaks or anything. But yeah, that is mind
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  Speaker 1: blowing to me.
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  Speaker 2: That is wild. I barely speak English and flagelence.
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  Speaker 1: I know I am going to add a second language
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  Speaker 1: one day, but I cannot even imagine thirteen. There's just
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  Speaker 1: no way. There's no way.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild.
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  Speaker 1: He is using his full brain.
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  Speaker 2: I think we had this conversation before. What would your
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  Speaker 2: second language be that you want to learn?
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  Speaker 1: I think I've talked about Spanish before. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It would be somewhere that I'd really want to go visit,
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  Speaker 1: I think, and then learn that language that when I
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  Speaker 1: go there. I mean, gosh, you would go there and
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  Speaker 1: you'd still fuck up, you'd still look like you didn't
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  Speaker 1: fit in.
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  Speaker 2: But oh, yeah, for sure, one hundred percent, one hundred percentred.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be really conscious of that now because
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  Speaker 2: everyone talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what's the other thing? You always say, to
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  Speaker 1: be fair, to be fair? So bends one percent to
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  Speaker 1: be fair to be fair. Okay, So he would be
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  Speaker 1: described as someone incredibly intelligent, basically a genius, but a
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  Speaker 1: bit odd and eccentric to say the least, which would
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  Speaker 1: not be the first time a highly intelligent person would
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  Speaker 1: be described that way. Not all, but very often intelligent
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  Speaker 1: people struggle with social skills For a number of reasons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty normal for them to be abnormal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah. I've met a few people like that
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's it's fair. I mean, like, gosh,
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  Speaker 1: speaking thirteen languages, would you have time to do anything else?
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  Speaker 1: They probably don't even have time to be social, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, so Anatolely would become an expert in Celtic history
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  Speaker 1: and folklore, with some people believing that he had this
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  Speaker 1: interest in folklore if I could speak, it was only
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  Speaker 1: a byproduct of his main interest of the occult.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he's got some interesting interests he does, actually, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the occult interests folks, Like, there's some wild stories within
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  Speaker 2: all of those.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're really just getting started. He's he is
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  Speaker 1: kind of interesting. I'll give him that. I'll give him that.
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  Speaker 3: Ka.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean we're talking about him in a podcast, So.
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  Speaker 2: There is some interests within his story everything there.
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  Speaker 1: So he was a collector with over sixty thousand books
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  Speaker 1: and documents in just his own personal library.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit, that's a library and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like I maybe have like ten books. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's why I can't speak thirteen language.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we do live in a tiny home.
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  Speaker 1: Though, douche, I actually had got rid of a lot
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  Speaker 1: of books.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know if we could fit sixty thousand
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  Speaker 2: books in our tiny No.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean some of them I said were documents, right, oh, Toche,
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  Speaker 1: So it could have just been papers or whatever. He
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  Speaker 1: wrote several books on the many languages he spoke, and
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  Speaker 1: he helped translate an incredible amount of work for his
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  Speaker 1: fellow academics working in the field of linguistics. Perhaps more importantly,
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  Speaker 1: anatotally wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, he was commissioned to write
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  Speaker 1: a summary and a complete list of the dead in
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  Speaker 1: over seventy or seven hundred cemeteries. Holy Shitni Nosgors and
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  Speaker 1: anatotally jumped at the opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, if I may ask, what's Noa?
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  Speaker 1: So that's a city in Russia? Okay, Sorry if if
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  Speaker 1: I butchered that pronunciation to anyone listening from.
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  Speaker 2: Russia, another language is what you're trying to speak, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's going to be an issue.
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  Speaker 1: It would be like you all trying to pronounce Coquitlam. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: or I was gonna see Nanaimo. Some people have trouble
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  Speaker 1: with Nanaimo, but Coquitlam for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe not everyone's cup of tea, but it was
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  Speaker 1: necessary work that he needed to do or that they
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  Speaker 1: wanted him to do. I've heard of many people finding
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  Speaker 1: peace and graveyards, and I don't necessarily think that's an
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  Speaker 1: abnormal thing. But he liked his time in the graveyards.
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  Speaker 2: Graveyards are honestly a very peaceful place.
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  Speaker 1: They are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to argue anyone who says
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  Speaker 2: they're creepy, they're weird. Sure, I'm not gonna argue that.
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  Speaker 2: Very true. They very much so can but.
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  Speaker 1: More so at night. I feel like we used to
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  Speaker 1: live by one kind of when we live by Costco,
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  Speaker 1: and I used to kind of do a bit of
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  Speaker 1: running at that time, and I would love to run
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  Speaker 1: through the graveyard. And I know a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: thought that was so weird, but I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: actually run amazing in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's very very peaceful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so peaceful. A lot of people find peace
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  Speaker 1: in there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean theoretically most people will eventually find peace
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  Speaker 2: in one. Yes, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: Even gonna let's just move on, you know what. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so okay, so anatotally got to work doing a job
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  Speaker 1: that most people would have turned down. He had a
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  Speaker 1: work on foot, walking about thirty kilometers a day and
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  Speaker 1: make detailed reports of the grapes he visited, often sleeping
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  Speaker 1: on site exposed to the elements, or if lucky, getting
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  Speaker 1: a hay bill to sleep on. And when he ran
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  Speaker 1: out of drinking water, he'd drink rain water from puddles,
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  Speaker 1: from puddles, which I actually just hate because it's amazing
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  Speaker 1: that he didn't get bringing sick. Yeah, kid, sick from.
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  Speaker 2: That rainwater is one thing, but yeah, from the puddle
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  Speaker 2: from puddle. No.
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  Speaker 1: He also said he spent one night sleeping in a coffin.
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  Speaker 1: He obviously took his work very seriously. Wow, some of
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  Speaker 1: the shit in this case. So I'm like, is this
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  Speaker 1: guy just making this up? Because that just seems weird
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  Speaker 1: because I think one article I read so the coffin
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  Speaker 1: was just there waiting to be filled the next day.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not how it works, I don't think. Because
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  Speaker 1: they don't bring the body to the cemetery. They bring
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  Speaker 1: the body in the coffin to the cemetery. As far
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  Speaker 1: as I know.
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  Speaker 2: You're looking at a different country.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. Maybe I should have googled that that is true.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, as far as I know, the body always
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  Speaker 1: came in the coffin.
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  Speaker 2: But who knows as far as Hollywood has taught us.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've never really had a dealing with how
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  Speaker 2: to put a body in a box and bury it.
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  Speaker 1: See, I've gone to a few like funerals where it's
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  Speaker 1: open casket. Yes, and I'm assuming that the body stays
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  Speaker 1: in there. But yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, procedures nowadays are a lot different. This
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  Speaker 2: is nineteen sixties.
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  Speaker 1: Well this wouldn't This would have been in the two
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  Speaker 1: thousands at this time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, Oh and I could imagine that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not so much.
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  Speaker 1: But like you said, it is overseas and lots of
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  Speaker 1: countries in different areas of the world do things far differently,
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  Speaker 1: which is fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So when he was done this massive undertaking, Ana totally
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  Speaker 1: found work as a freelance journalist when he often and
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  Speaker 1: he where he often wrote stories about his experiencing is
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  Speaker 1: roughing it in the cemeteries that he did study. That
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  Speaker 1: was until November twenty eleven, when Anatole's name was in
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  Speaker 1: the paper for a totally different reason, okay, and.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming this is going to be where he's uh
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  Speaker 2: compiling some bodies.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you shall see, you see. Starting back in about
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  Speaker 1: two thousand nine, reports of vandalized or reports of vandal vandalism, vandalism,
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  Speaker 1: vandalism and sometimes even graves that had been completely emptied
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  Speaker 1: started coming into police So people were being notified of this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I know where this is going.
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  Speaker 1: Anatotally was questioned, especially especially given his well known work
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  Speaker 1: in around the local cemeteries. But he had a good
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  Speaker 1: reason to be there, and no one expected an academic
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  Speaker 1: like he was to be desecrating graves. That was until
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  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, when he was literally caught doing so. By then,
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  Speaker 1: more reports were coming in, this time about Muslim graves
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  Speaker 1: being vandalized, and this time it carred a heavier implication.
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  Speaker 1: A recent terrorist attack had people on edge and thinking
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  Speaker 1: this new wave of vandalism had a political or racial
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  Speaker 1: charged motive. The police had been keeping an eye on
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  Speaker 1: the Muslim cemetery around the city, which is how they
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  Speaker 1: caught anatolely in action defacing a grave and he was
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  Speaker 1: a force arrested.
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  Speaker 2: So when you say defacing a grave, what exactly was
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  Speaker 2: he doing to sit grave well, I think or any
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  Speaker 2: of the graves when he was defacing them, because.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get into more detail about what he
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  Speaker 1: was doing. But in defacing sometimes he would just take
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  Speaker 1: pieces of the grave, like I mean, I you know
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  Speaker 1: how sometimes like graves have like a picture. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: might like black or something that.
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  Speaker 2: Off huh interesting.
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  Speaker 1: As like a keepsake. I guess you could say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is actually brutal people who go and vandalize or
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  Speaker 1: do anything and cemeteries are terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that that's like one of the fucking lowest things
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  Speaker 2: you can do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really agree, not.
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  Speaker 2: One of the most horrific, don't get me wrong. There
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  Speaker 2: there's a big difference, but one of the lowest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, unnecessary, completely unnecessary. So still thinking that this was
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  Speaker 1: part of a hate crime, the police then went to
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  Speaker 1: his home, where they uncovered more than they ever bargained for.
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  Speaker 1: Anatoly forty five at the time, had never moved out
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  Speaker 1: of his family home. He very well lived alone, though
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  Speaker 1: with his parents in a different country for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the year, which left him to his own devices,
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  Speaker 1: and he managed to keep himself very busy despite never
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  Speaker 1: being in a relationship that we know of.
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  Speaker 2: I have a feeling that keep very busy. Is is
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  Speaker 2: an interesting very busy, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Because I mean like, if you're in a relationship,
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  Speaker 1: that shit takes time.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna lie. You take a lot of effort.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they take a lot of time, like a lot
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: No, you specifically take of course.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Of course, try living with.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: You, dude, I trust me, I do. It's I'm not easy,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Okay. So the house was jam packed. As I mentioned,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Anatoly was a collector with possibly a hoarding disorder disorder
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: as well, and that is my personal diagnosis because I
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: saw some footage of the police like walking through his
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: home and there's a lot of shit in that house.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: For a moment there, I thought you said that your
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: personal diagnosis of yourself was that you're not anymore.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like I used to be a order.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: You were a hoarder. You were just a eccentric collector
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: of things, of things, saying stuff and things.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, so it was impossible to see the floor in places,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So that that to me, you know, you know, there's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in there.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Well, technically it's impossible to see a floor with a
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: rug on.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It, I guess, but there was it was like clutter,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: an accumulation from clutter in each room. But what God
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: investigators was actually the smell.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Well, here we go. I do know that a lot
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: of places with like those extreme hoarding situations there does
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: tend to be a smell. But I have a feeling
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you're going on a different route.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times the smell is from
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: food too, because I think sometimes they even have troubles
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: throwing up food or like packaging that food was in.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it becomes filth. Well, you can't clean with
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: that much stuff everywhere too, right, Yeah, and then there's
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: a whole I've seen some with bathroom problems too, so.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, oh with animals and stuff.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Well, animals and actual individuals.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I think there was one that I saw where the
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: actual individual kept there really sperments that was one of
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: their hoarding things.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I've never heard of that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, that's that's hum that's something so.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: The host ink okay, almost like something was rotting inside
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and the police wanted to figure out what that smell
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: could be or where what it was coming from, right.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, and I just thought of another reason that a
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: house could Sorry I digress, but because it could very
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: well be moisture build up under a lot of these things, right,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Mold issues that sort of thing very much, so it
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: could beating factor.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm just like breathing in that mold. That's so
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: bad for you. Hey, yes, okay, wow, wow, so wall search.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: No one's eating right now?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I know I can't. I actually, when I was researching
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: this case, couldn't really eat. Lots of times I do
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: like eat while I'm researching or watching true crime shit,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and this one just I couldn't for some reason. But
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it could have just been the day. It is gross too. Okay,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: where were we? I'm just like all over the place.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: So while searching, they found documents and books on doll
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: making and mummification. Yeah, and they also found okay, twenty
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: six life sized dolls, just twenty round. Some are on shelves,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: some were on the floor, some were in the garage.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Hold on twenty six.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty six of.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Them life size dolls. How many were human?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It didn't take long to put two and two together,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and the realization was horrifying. The dolls they weren't actually dolls.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: They were the mummified remains of girls previously deceased who
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: had already been laid to rest and then dug up.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Fuck all twenty six of them.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: All twenty six.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is a lot of mummified humans.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I couldn't even imagine going into that room
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and discovering that, because dolls alone are creepy. Oh yeah, right,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and these were kind of how would you describe them vintage?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, they looked I don't even know where
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it was that gesture.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they looked kind of olden days ish, right,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And so that would be creepy enough. And then when
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you find out that they're literally like they were people,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Oh my godness. So the girls were women ranged in
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: age from three to two twenty five years old, and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: so a lot of reports do say, I think it
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: was three to twelve or three to thirteen years old,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: but then a lot of them say most the majority
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of them say they ranged from twenty five, which I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: find harder to believe. You think that they would be
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: more so younger girls. But anyway, the majority said three
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to twenty five years old.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, oh oh, okay, so children.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, girls, young young girls.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Children, some of these are children.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, infants even I think a three year old would
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: probably consider toddler. Yeah, toddler and infants probably like zero
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to one.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So remember when I mentioned back in about two thousand
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and nine reports of vandalized and sometimes even graves that
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: have been completely emptied. Well, that was anttally surprise. Yeah,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: anatotally sorry.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't see that. Coming back at.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: The police station, the investigators were left asking one simple question,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: a question that usually gets asked. Why.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Of course they wanted to know why anatole had done this,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and he had some surprising answers for them.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, what did you have to say?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: When Anatolely was only a boy, he'd spent his time
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: after school wandering the local cemeteries, examining graves, and becoming
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: more and more interested in the dead. According to himself
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and even an article he wrote on one of those
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: trips Anatolely had taken as a boy through the local cemetery,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: he actually interrupted a funeral. The funeral had been for
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: an eleven year old girl, and in their grief, her
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: surviving relatives had set upon anatolely see that. No, I'm
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: gonna just carry on and we'll talk about it after, Okay,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: So he wrote, an adult pushed my face down to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the waxy forehead of the girl in an embroidered cap,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and there was nothing I could do but kiss her
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: as ordered. I kissed her once, then again, then again.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: According to Anatoley, the girl's mother then put a wedding
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: ring on his finger that matched the one on the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: girl's body, and the two of them were officially married.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: What what like? Does that not? Okay? I have trouble
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: believing that. Shit like that almost seems something like made
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: up to me. Could you imagine being a young boy,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: You're walking through the cemetery. There happens to be a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: funeral of someone, maybe relatively the same age as you.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: The family brings you over to this funeral and forces
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you to kiss their deceased kid.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: That sounds like someone's dream they had. That's what it
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: sounds like to me.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes I've actually had this happen to me before,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: where I forget, oh shit, actually I dreamed that.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean like to be fit, to be fair,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: people are fucked up not saying that this couldn't happen.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't make any sense though.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It's fucked up, like you would be grieving.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Why would you want this random child just kissing your
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: deceased kid like that. It just doesn't make anything.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. No, But like I said,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it could have happened. It could happen.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: It totally could happen.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Do I think it happened. I'm I mean, maybe there's
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: more to this story. I don't know, but I'm leaning
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: towards the fiction side of things.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, really, I feel like he's the only
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: one that knows.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm thinking, so if this happened.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: With a kid, yeah, So he went on to explain in
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: his article My Strange Marriage, the little girl's name was Natasha,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So my strange marriage.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: How did he know her name?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I bet you anything that he would
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: have later gone back and visited that grave, Oh, cursuer,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: so I could see him knowing the name. So he said,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: My strange marriage with Natasha was useful. It as the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: reason behind his belief in magic and his fascination with
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the dead, which were two of the reasons behind him
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: going on to study Celtic history in folklore and the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: occult even probably Yeah. During his studies, Anatole had found
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: out about the ancient druid beliefs in communicating with the dead.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Druids would sleep on the graves of the dead in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: order to speak with them, and while anatolely was out
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: documenting the graves, he started doing the same thing. He
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: had his reasons too, He supposed or his supposed marriage
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to Natasha. Aside, he'd never been married, but that didn't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: mean that Anatoly didn't want to start a family. He
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: at one point applied to an adoption agency to try
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to adopt a daughter, but his application had been denied.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: According to the agency, Anatoly didn't make enough money to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: support a child in the agency. Must have thought that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was that and moved on. But after his failed application
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and it totally began keeping an eye on obituaries, especially
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: those involving young children. Oh fuck yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I just I had a joke. I can't
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: remember where I heard it before it and I was
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: going to make it. But as soon as you said
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: young children, I'm like, no, I'm not going to make
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: that joke. It changes it. It changes it, It changes
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the joke.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna want to know what the joke.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Now the joke is. I can't remember where I heard
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: it from. I think it might have been explos them,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you know those those web comics that are really like, yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: adult oriented. Yeah, the joke was not abituary. You mean
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: hotbituary that was That was the joke. But as soon
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: as you mentioned children, that through that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you shouldn't have said anything, I know. Okay,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So once the funeral was over and the girls were
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: buried and it totally would spend the nights sleeping on
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: top of their graves and waiting for them to speak
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to him. According to him, he would ask them if
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: they wanted a second chance to live, and if they did,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: he would dig them up and take them home.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: See, I have a problem with this.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Outside I saw right away, you're just like moving your mic.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: You're like, no, I got this isn't right.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Outside of the obvious of digging someone up and taking
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: them home. Outside of that, why the fuck is he
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: just going to the obituaries and sleeping on top of
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the grave to try and communicate with the dead, to
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: find a spouse.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Not a spouse, babe, a child.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Or a child.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, so the adoption agencies did not let him adopt
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a kid, rightfully, so and so this is his way
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: of getting a child.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, see I was thinking, we are going the necrophilia route.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, we're gonna make you disbelief. This doesn't
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: have that.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: You and your necrophilia.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have it in there.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, you and your necroman See how's.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: That it doesn't have this?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: This is child necromancy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, whatever. I know after after I picked this case,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't even realize you were like, really, yeah.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: More dead dead people being dug up?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Way to go?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I just there are a billion and one ways. I mean,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: it makes more sense. Not that I'm advocating this, It
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: makes more sense to go and steal a child than
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: digging up a deceased one.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like stealing a child and I don't know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they're both terrible, but like, I mean the other one
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: is alive still right, and like.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then he has a live child than.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: H dead one. No one would want him to have
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a live child.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: The only thing I can see on why he would
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: go this route, which it is a plausible explanation, but
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: it's a stretch in my opinion, is him seeing himself
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: as so much of an outsider that he's finding someone
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: else who is just as desperate as him, akaone who
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: is deceased, who wants a second chance at life. They
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: just want a family again, They want to be alive.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: They don't want to be in the ground. So a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: desperate person looking for a desperate person. Yeah, that's the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: only thing I can see.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I also just need to know would you rather do
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a case about a spouse killing their spouse?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Honestly, at this point, kind of you do you really do?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, where are we here? So anatotally didn't know. Okay,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I see where the fuck we are? So I'm just like,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: where are we?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: So?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Anatolely didn't know how to bring them back to life,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and he knew that he'd have to wait a while
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: for science to find a way to do it for him.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So he feels like he's listening to these girls. They
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: want to come back to life. He wants to bring
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: them back to life, but he feels like, I guess
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: science needs to catch up. So he's taking them home
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: with him, right, and then he realizes that he needs
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to preserve the girl's bodies. Intel science is at that point,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: which it still isn't okay. So he began researching ways
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to mummify them. I feel like you're just like because his.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Theory is there, but practicality it makes no fucking sense
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: because just because you have the body, the skin, the bones,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you have the person. I know, you're
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: not preserving their brain, you're not preserving their heartserving their consciousness.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Or they're really not being preserved at all.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: It's on the most super superficial level that he is
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: capturing who they are.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he settled on the solution of salt and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: baking soda, covering their hands, feet, and sometimes their face
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: with cloths to cover their decomposition when it didn't always work,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and then he began looking after them. He made them
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: eyes so that they could watch cartoons with him. He
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: painted the masks or the masks over their face with
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: nail polish. He stuffed musical boxes and mementos from the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: graves inside them so they made noises when he would
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: go to play with them.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Jesus, what do he fucking stuff in their eye sockets?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: See him? Eyes?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Buttons?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Holy shit?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Sometimes buttons? Was buttons?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Fucking buttons? Anyone else out there thinking of Coraline, the
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: other mother right.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Now, also buttons or I think sometimes he did put
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: doll eyes in there too.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Okay, okay, I can go on a whole
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: other tangent here with this, but I'm not. I'm not.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I wonder if anyone's going to comment how we say
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: buttons button. I feel like people it's actually me have
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: said that. I say button really like cutely or weirdly button, button,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a little button. So they celebrated the holidays and even
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the girl's birthdays together, but it wasn't all happy family.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Some of the girls turned on him and anatotally didn't
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: like that. Then your face there, stop with the facial
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: they they turned on him. Okay, they were still a family,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: they were still his daughters, but they weren't allowed in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the house anymore, and it totally banished them to the garage,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and that was where the police found several of the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: mummified remains when they arrested him in twenty eleven. All right,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: all right, I can't okay, I have this. Nothing about
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: this is funny whatsoever, but your facial expressions right now,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I just can't even.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Look at you because I can't even fucking believe this, dude, Like,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: it's the most absurd thing I've ever heard.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: It's very absurd.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Like you said, police wanted to know why, and this
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: is his why? Like what, Yeah, the I don't know
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: how to put it in words, the disorders or condition
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: that this individual has to do this sort of thing
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and think this way. Wow, all right, it's baffling to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: me to say, it's.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Very baffling too. So Anatole was charged with the desecration
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of graves and dead bodies, which would have landed him
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: apparently a maximum sense of five years if he was
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: found guilty, which does not seem like enough. But it
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: was pretty clear that he was guilty, and something else
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: was pretty clear too. Anatotally was sent for a psychiatric evaluation. Rightfully, so,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: his parents claimed that he was fine. His parents actually
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: like I don't know if I've put this in here,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: but they didn't think anything was wrong. They just thought
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that he liked to collect dolls. They didn't realize that
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: they were human.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, they didn't realize they were human.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: They just thought that he kind of his hobby. Was Like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they thought he made them or what.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: WI dolls, Go for it. They're not dolls, mom, figures.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know if you know this about me,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: but do you know those like porcelain dolls? Yeah, I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: used to collect some of those.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you had some.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, that's so embarrassing and you still married me.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Hey yeah, yeah, you also collected beanie babies and personals babies.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Makes sense because that was gonna be my life savings.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that does not make sense.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, so his call. His colleagues at the newspaper said
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: he was eccentric and a bit quirky, but he wasn't
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: capable of doing something like this, So, like people close
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: to him, this was shocking. But the evaluation came back
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: with very different results and it totally was diagnosed as
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: having paranoid schizophrenia, and his doctor said that he was
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: unfit to stand trial.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: That makes total sense. It does because he's literally putting voices, personalities,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and everything to these remains of the individuals.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he was therefore also determined to not be
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: criminal liable for his crimes, even though in his interview
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: with the police he admitted that he'd known and understood
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that what he was doing was illegal. But he'd done
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it anyway. He explained that the girls had been calling
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: to him from beyond the grave, and he thought that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: it was more important to help them than it was
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to follow the law.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I believe that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that, Like you almost you almost feel
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit bad for him.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I do. I wholeheartedly feel bad for him. Yeah, for sure,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: because I believe that he has this paranoid schizophrenia. I've
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: talked to individuals before who have schizophrenia, and it's very
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: real situation. There's one individual who had talked to before.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: He literally saw people, like a fucking person there in
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: his room, oh wow, talking to him, and he would have.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: To like that wasn't there.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd have to throw an object at them to
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: see if he hit them, to see if they were real.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. See that's scary.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: That it is. And so someone who's dealing with this
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: sort of thing, Yeah, they would definitely say, Okay, these
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: people are really talking to me. It's a real situation.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: He legitimately believed that he was helping them, yeah, and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: eye his head right.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: So I feel bad for him because of that. Yeah,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: it's fucking weird. Yeah, but I I do.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Feel for him, So he said, Okay, where was I.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Not that he's the weird one. The situation is weird.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Having to deal with that, thinking of talking to a
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: dead person.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Is oh yeah, no, I mean.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying he's weird.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Any One that kind of doesn't have this mental illness
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that's terrifying, right, So so he said this right before
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: he told the police that he'd started bringing the girls
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: home before speaking with them because he was getting old
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and was getting harder for him to sleep on top
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of the graves. He said he'd started sleeping next to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: them at home and hope that being inside would actually
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: help them feel more comfortable communicating with him, but who
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: knows if it actually did. He also rounded up the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: whole interview. See this, there is some bullshit stuff in here.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So he rounded up the whole interview by telling the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: police not to bother bearing the girls too deeply because
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: he was going to dig them back up as soon
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: as he was released anyway. Yeah, see that's bullshit.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: That is.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So back to his evaluation, anatotally suffered from a form
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of pard schizophrenia and was unfit to stand trial, but
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: he was also unfit to be released back to the public.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: He was sentenced to a psychiatric hospital to receive treatment
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: until he was either well enough to go to court
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: or be released. In twenty thirteen, his stay was extended.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: It continued to be extended until twenty eighteen. This was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: when his doctors claimed that Anatole was no longer a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: danger to society and petitioned to have him released. He
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: would still be receiving care and would have to live
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: at home with his parents, but he'd be free and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: able to roam the streets again. This came on top
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: of a petition from Anatole's lawyers, who claimed that Anatole
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: almost unbelievably was requesting to leave the facility because he
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't They wouldn't let him get married someone somewhere with
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: his face plastered all over the news for his horrible crimes.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: A twenty five year old linguistic student had seen something
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in him that she liked. She and Anatole had become
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: pen pals, and through the years they had turned that
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: into a friendship, which had then turned into a romantic interest.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: That was about as far as they could go. When
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Anatole was still in a psychiatric hospital and considered to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: have a mental illness. No comments there.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I do have comments that I'm just waiting for you.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have covered cases where this sort of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: thing happens. It seems like people sometimes almost get an
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: obsession with some criminal when they go to jail and stuff. Right.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and actually, I don't know if you realized
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: how much this has been paralleling the greyhound bus murder,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the beheading. I can't remember the individual, but he was schizophrenic,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: did not take his medication, had the incident on the bus,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: was hearing voices and all the shit. Yeah, went to court,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: was not criminally negligent, went to psychiatric care and was
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: eventually released, and there was an outcry from public over it. Now,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: he brutally murdered someone and was willingly off his medication.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: The difference between that and this This individual will didn't
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: harm any living person.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: But still he harmed the loved ones, Yes.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Very much.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: So.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He desecrated graves. Yeah, and it was emotional damage to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: loved ones. That's not a crime. However, physically everyone can
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: still walk and talk and go about with their day,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I believe this is
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: a classic case where someone can be rehabilitated and be
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: reintroduced into society wholeheartedly. I do. I believe he should
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: be released on certain conditions. Medication, care checkups. Definitely. You're
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: fucking not allowed to go to.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Graveyards heck no, yeah, or really be around like children, probably,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if anything of those is breached, then he's
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: going back into care. That is my thoughts. I don't
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: think that anyone is undeserving of love, whether you commit
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a horrific crime or not. I really don't, because that
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: could bring you out of whatever dark place you were in.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: M hm.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: So these two finding each other, Hey, good for them.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I mean there was quite an age difference between them.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if we if fucking Charles Manson found his bride,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: his his fucking his one. Hey, good for Charles Charles Manson.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he has someone. He's still a fucking piece
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of shit, but hey, he's got someone. Maybe it'll better him.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes I actually love ken better people. Yeah,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: it can make it. Sometimes it can make them worse too,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: So there's a flip side to everything.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that someone can find that in someone.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it would have been on her to
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: reach out to him, right.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And beauty is in the eye to beholder one
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: way or another, so.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I think there was often to say on that. There
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: were some articles as well that said that she'd had
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: even gone to his trial.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean good for them.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he had reached out to his lawyers. He
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: wanted to move to Moscow and marry his girlfriend. Of course,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the victims' families shared their concerns, with the press putting
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: on the pressure to keep him locked up, and before
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: anyone knew it, Anatotally's petition was under consideration once again,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: though it was ultimately determined that anatotally stay at the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: hospital would be extended and he would not be released.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And so, as far as I can tell, that's where
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: he still is today. But sometimes I feel like, especially
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: in situations like this, they may be released and not
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: even be notified. Yeah, the public too, right, because he
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: could be in danger if he is put out. So
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: but as far as I can tell, he still is
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: away for now.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I think the best case scenario would be that he
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: does not ever get a full release. I think, like, yeah,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: it's day passes, like, hey, you can go out to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: your thing. With all these stipulations you have to check
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: in and you have someone follow you whatever, and you
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: leave at eight, you're back by four something like that
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: or nine to five whatever.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Like, I definitely think being out in the
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: daylight would be better if he was kind of not
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: out at night, because at night you could kind of
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: get away with things in graveyards more so.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and like you say, not around children or anything,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: because he clearly has a thing with children. And if
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: grave robbing didn't work, hey, maybe abducting would. Oh my gosh,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: So we would want to make sure there are all
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: those risks taken care of.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is kind of my thought here. Okay,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: So I do think in rare instances, people who have
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: committed crimes do have the power to change and be rehabilitated.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: But for that to happen, I think remorse for their
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: actions does need to be shown. Yes, and Anatoly doesn't
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: have any remorse for his actions.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, If he doesn't, then, yeah.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: He refuses to apologize to the victims families. In twenty twenty,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: he said, these girls are girls. There are no parents.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: In my view, I don't know any of them. Besides,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: they buried their daughters and this is where I believe
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: their rights over them finished. So no, I would not apologize.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he's.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: One more earlier. He told the parents you abandon your
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: girls in the cold, and I brought them home and
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: warmed them up, which honestly makes my blood like boil. Yeah,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it's like that's brutal, it is. And this is years
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: after he did this shit too.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: He's not over his schizophrenia. He's still got this point
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: of view of they are talking to me, they need
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: my help, and I'm going to bypass the law and
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: clearly these parents to do so. Yeah, so if he
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: can ever get over that, then I may advocate for
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: him to potentially be released. Uncertain, Yeah we can't. Yeah,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: wholeheartedly agree with.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: You, because I mean initially he basically was like, don't
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: bury them too deeply. Now he's not apologizing to the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: family and he's basically accusing them for leaving them in
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the cold, Like that's not okay, that's not okay. He
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: needs to have remorse for what he's done.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, definitely, definitely why did you let me
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: go on a rent like that? Saying I fucking advocate
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: for him? And then you're like, actually, he's a piece
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: of shit, and I'm just like, wow, well now I
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: feel like a complete douche Canado.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks, that's I had to let you get your words
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: out right.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but all I need to do is let you
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: talk for another minute, and my whole theories and shit
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: would have changed.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Well anyway, I'm sure people enjoyed it so rightfully. So
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the victims' families claim that there'll be no peace for
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: them if he does ever get released. One of the victims,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was one of the first victims.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: She was aged ten when anatolely dug her up and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: this little girl had been murdered. So to say that
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: her family had already been through enough would be an understatement.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Her mother didn't realize that on a regular basis, she
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: was visiting her daughter's grave, but yet her daughter's remains
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: were no longer there. She's been quoted to say, I
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: am also very afraid that he will go back to
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: the old ways. I have no faith in his recovery.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: He's a fanatic. She fears he will find her daughter
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: once again and they will have to do this all
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: over again, go through this hell all over again. She said,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: my health is failing me, and I don't think I
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: can face this. I do not want tragic events. Life
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: is tough anyway. Now, she has consistently been opposed to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: his release and would be happy to know he will
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: spend his life in the hospital forever. That is what
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: she wants. And then Anatole's parents have also suffered. Apparently
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: they now have to live in isolation with a community
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that has turned on them. The wife even suggests that
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: they perhaps kill themselves, but her husband refused. They're both
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: in unhealthy states.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: So I mean that's the other thing. This has affected people,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: even his parents, in such horrible ways. And but yet
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: he's not really like remorseful. So is he healed? Like,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: is he actually rehabilitated.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: No, if he's not remorseful, he's not. And that's that's
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the key. He needs to get the help he needs
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: to get there. And if he can't get that help
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: or he can't get there, then that's a boundary he's
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: never going to be able to overcome.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: And I just at the end there, when you were
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: talking about his parents, I just realized the irony in
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: this whole case, because he's talking about wanting to have
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: a family wanting to find children right, bring them home,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: and he wants to be the best for his children.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: So he wants a family, yet he turned his back
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and his actual family. He wants the perfect children, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: he was probably the worst of what a child could be.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I can't imagine. I mean, for
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: many years he probably was okay, but it's like, I
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: can't imagine what they're going through now.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: But his relation his acts as a child drove his
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: parents to have a conversation if they should kill themselves
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: or not. Yeah, what kind of child does that?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really sad.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe he should have thought about what he was like
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: as a child to his parents before he was looking
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: for his own.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean one of the articles did say they
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: were still living in that same spot, so the parents
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: do need to probably move. But I mean there would
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: be old They would be quite older at this time too.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: That's a case in a half. I had a lot
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: of opinions on that one. Sorry for that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: You did actually have a lot of opinions. And sorry,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like I fumbled a little bit, But I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: have some pain in my neck that I'm dealing with
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: and it's distract I had a mole removed today and
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it's actually hurting. I should have taken smibie profen.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: You should have so you have you have, you have
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: good courage.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Help.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Then at one point I just stop them and like
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: just take take a second, and I just.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Like touk giants chugged half the cam.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting when you have like a little distraction,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: how it can distract you even more.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Yeahh no, I get that. Like out of the corner
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of my eye, I just see a little little.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Husky, little honeybee, little.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Honey curled up, sleeping away.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: She's so sweet. It's ridiculous.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: She's fitting to her family.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Great. Oh yeah, it's ridiculous. How well she's fitting in here.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you are part of our Patreon or anything
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: like that or social media, think you put it on
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Instagram a couple of times even.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Once I think, yeah, we've only put one post a
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: lot that was something actually in the giveaway. A lot
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: of people want to see more and hear more with
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the dogs.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you might have seen them snuggling. But
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: people also we also asked our patrons what sort of
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: stuff they want to see over on Patreon little more.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: They really want to see like vlogs, so behind the scenes,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: like video more of that. So those are gonna be
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: coming down the pipe here pretty quick. I think I
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: need to get in a coal to be ready in
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: front of the camera.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, two things. First of all, today you have
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: some freaking facial reactions that were unbelievable, and I'm sure
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: people would probably have loved to see those. But also
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of times when we're podcasting, like I look
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: like a piece of shit. Well, so then I have
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: to like look nice, well and presentable all the time.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I'm talking vlogs right now. Oh, we don't have the
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: cameras set up positions for like actual filming podcasts just yet.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Hopefully in a few months to come. Maybe that's in
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: the near future at least, we don't know. But for now,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: we can definitely do vlogs for sure.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Logs and live streams maybe that sort of stuff.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Will we be doing a vlog when we go to Tafino, Oh,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: because I think we've already mentioned this, but we're we're
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: bringing both puppers with us, which is going to be
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a shit show and a half.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be fun.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Because it's literally about a thirteen or fourteen hour drive
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: for us to get there. Yep, with two young huskies.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: We are stopping overnight on the way there and back.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: We are ye not being total assholes to them.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: But we got to stop by Taco Fino. We gotta
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: put another sticker on the truck. Oh yeah, if you
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: guys are ever into Fino and you stop by the
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: food truck Taco Fino, it's covered in stickers. There's currently.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Nicole was there last summer and put a sticker of
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Jacko on.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: The side when I had put a sticker on at
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the brewery there too on the door.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should uh maybe put the Do we put Gothic?
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Gothic and grim one?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Do we have stickers right now?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: We got a few, I think kicking around.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: If not, we better get some order here.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. Eh, Holy shat, holy shiat indeed.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, anyway, thanks so much for listening to this
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: rigging roller coaster. It wasn't quite as bad as the Donnelly's.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: You know, you didn't say orgasms.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: It's a badism, so shit. Yeah, I should have threw
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that in there next.
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  Speaker 2: Time, next time. On wicked and grim. Nicole's is orgathering
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  Speaker 2: every five seconds. Oh wow, that would be a case
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  Speaker 2: and a half. Wow. But yeah, so we appreciate you
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  Speaker 2: guys being here. You guys literally make this an absolutely
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  Speaker 2: always thanking you saying how awesome you are.
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  Speaker 1: But we really actually mean it.
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  Speaker 2: We do. It's not a scripted segment. We just we
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  Speaker 2: say it because we mean it, and I always say
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  Speaker 2: it because Nicole has always had a loss for words
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  Speaker 2: and she just looks to me to say it because
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  Speaker 2: I'm better with it. Again, I don't know, you just
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  Speaker 2: kind of have Hey, you said you give us a
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  Speaker 2: wrap up this time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, the wrap ups are hard because you legitimately
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  Speaker 1: do them every time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just say it. So you just said
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  Speaker 2: I just do it, So you can just do it.
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  Speaker 2: Go go for it. I believe in you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now i'd be like I'm being passive, but honestly,
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  Speaker 1: pressure we literally do appreciate every one of you, whether
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  Speaker 1: Wicked What are we? The Wicked Life, The Wicked Life.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you're doing great, keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't even know how you in this.
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  Speaker 2: You did great. Next time maybe next time, Okay, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: God, good work. See that's the problem. It's like your job.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, here is a prop. This is like
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  Speaker 1: your job.
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  Speaker 2: It's my job.
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  Speaker 1: Like, you're just good at this shit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just talking, just saying things.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway. Ben's awesome, You're awesome. We're all awesome and until
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  Speaker 1: next time. No, you're all wicked, wickedly awesome. Until next time,
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  Speaker 1: stay wicked.