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Zohran Not Radical Enough? Are We All REALLY 'Jane Hoe'? & Scott Galloway's Most Retarded Quote Yet · The Alex Marlow Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, best time of the week, Emma Jo Morris
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  Speaker 1: is here. You know her from The Marlowe Show, as
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  Speaker 1: well as her consulting work at Beckenstone. And Emma Jo
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  Speaker 1: NYC on the Everything app, where she does a great job,
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  Speaker 1: famous for the laptop from HealthScoop, among other things.
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  Speaker 2: Emma, we got a lot of fun ones today. I
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  Speaker 2: try to keep the fun ones for you.
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  Speaker 1: I think I sit on them, I reserve them, and
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  Speaker 1: then we talk about them together. But one that I
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  Speaker 1: have been talking about this week, I'm just dying for
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  Speaker 1: your take. So my audience knows my take on all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. But What do you make of the Jane
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  Speaker 1: Ho phenomenon? What do you make of the timing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I know that our takes are too fun
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  Speaker 3: because I'll find myself like catching strays on the Marlo
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  Speaker 3: podcast during the week. Like I'm listening and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden it's like, yeah, like according to Emma Jo,
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  Speaker 3: like Lindsay Clancy is mid and I'm like, ah.
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  Speaker 4: It's great.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great line. It's a great line. It's a
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  Speaker 2: great line.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, who's going to disagree? I sometimes
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  Speaker 4: catch shade.
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  Speaker 1: But Emma's theory on that, I don't want to do
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  Speaker 1: drive-bys also for people who are just tuning in or
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  Speaker 1: maybe only listen to our shows. Emma has a point
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  Speaker 1: that she thinks that if you're too good-looking, then you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to get the robust offense that Lindsay Clancy had.
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  Speaker 1: I think the fact that Lindsay Clancy is kind of normal-looking,
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  Speaker 1: she's not particularly bad-looking, she's just normal-looking, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that's That's what, that is, I think, something that gets
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  Speaker 1: other women to support you.
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  Speaker 2: If you're too good looking, other women resent you for that.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. You're perfectly non-threatening.
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  Speaker 3: Lindsay Clancy is like the perfectly non-threatening character for these
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  Speaker 3: hordes of women who are too fragile to operate in
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  Speaker 3: a more sophisticated way than that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, so, no, but look, we have fun.
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  Speaker 3: We have fun, and sometimes it gets a little too fun,
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  Speaker 3: and it's cited in ways to spice up some more episodes,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm glad for that.
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  Speaker 1: So the Jane Ho phenomenon, there's so many, just like
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  Speaker 1: the Clancy thing, it is one of these things where
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  Speaker 1: there's something that is very positive for me about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a huge moment
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  Speaker 1: for the university system for people to come to terms with.
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  Speaker 2: No one should go to these schools.
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  Speaker 1: I had a pretty viral clip of, for me, it
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  Speaker 1: was tons of engagements on thousands of retweets and 10,000
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  Speaker 1: plus likes on it where I pointed out that if
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  Speaker 1: all this is true, then you would never send your
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  Speaker 1: daughters or sons because the daughters would get raped or
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  Speaker 1: if it's all false, you would never send your sons
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  Speaker 1: because the sons would get falsely accused. So this is
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  Speaker 1: really a huge moment, I think in the positive in
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  Speaker 1: that sense, but it's just still dark that we're still,
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  Speaker 1: as we're recording and we're recording this on Friday, the ninth, it's,
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  Speaker 1: there's still protests on behalf of Jane Ho as if
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  Speaker 1: she didn't love the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: She dug it. She was way into it.
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  Speaker 1: She was texting days later, our bodies, our choice. She
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  Speaker 1: was inviting a couple of the guys to do it again,
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  Speaker 1: to run it back, to run back the gang bang.
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  Speaker 2: That's her exact language.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, totally.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, even, even if she hadn't done all
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  Speaker 3: of those things after the fact, uh, and, and been
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  Speaker 3: texting like heart emojis and stuff to her alleged partner, rapist.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, the conversation that came out was
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  Speaker 3: apparently with the worst, the allegedly worst among the guys.
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  Speaker 4: She was like kiki-ing with him in the days following.
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  Speaker 3: But even if all of that hadn't happened, if you
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  Speaker 3: look at the context of the situation itself, she was
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  Speaker 3: snorting ketamine off of Like, I mean, I can't even
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  Speaker 3: describe what she was doing because it's not appropriate for
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  Speaker 3: a public conversation and a.
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  Speaker 4: Family show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All of our episodes are very family friendly. We have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of family content coming up.
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  Speaker 3: This is a rated Alex Marlowe show rated R on
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  Speaker 3: the weekends.
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  Speaker 2: You know what is fun, though?
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  Speaker 1: So on Spotify, there's a little block that has an
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  Speaker 1: E in it.
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  Speaker 2: For explicit.
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  Speaker 1: And, um, it's, it's fun because my kids keep an
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  Speaker 1: eye on it because I don't do the baby music, uh,
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  Speaker 1: with my kids.
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  Speaker 2: I don't do the kids bop. I don't do any
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I think there's plenty of stuff that is, uh,
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  Speaker 1: either elite music that has no bad words in it,
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  Speaker 1: or you can find the clean versions of pop music
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  Speaker 1: and pop popular music. And I think that's totally fine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to listen to Alvin and the Chipmunks
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  Speaker 1: or kids singing Taylor Swift songs.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
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  Speaker 5: I will.
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  Speaker 2: I refuse. I would refuse over my dead body.
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  Speaker 1: So the kids see sometimes if the Spotify is doing
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  Speaker 1: the algorithm thing where it's bringing up just whatever is
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  Speaker 1: the next song and it throws the E block.
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  Speaker 4: On the screen. And they know not to listen. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The kids alert me that this is not, this is bad, dad. Dad,
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  Speaker 2: you change it.
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  Speaker 1: And so sometimes our episodes, Emma, it's sometimes my show
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  Speaker 1: in general, but sometimes our episodes.
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  Speaker 4: You get the e-block.
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  Speaker 2: Our episodes get the e on Spotify.
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  Speaker 1: We get the e on Spotify sometimes, which I do
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  Speaker 1: find fun.
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  Speaker 3: No, this is going to be like one of those
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  Speaker 3: things where you have to have a parent come and
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  Speaker 3: unlock your, and yeah, no, I mean, if I were
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  Speaker 3: to get into what this woman was doing, and by
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  Speaker 3: the way, she's not a girl.
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  Speaker 4: She's a woman, which I think is an important distinction
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  Speaker 4: to make in this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, so, so, she's snorting drugs off of these
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  Speaker 3: guys bodies and having group sex with them in the
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  Speaker 3: first place, which is what she had asked for and
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  Speaker 3: invited to happen in the first.
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  Speaker 4: Place when she was sober. So, um, so then like,
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  Speaker 4: if we're, if we're all being real adults, um, which
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  Speaker 4: we can't be.
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  Speaker 3: And, and I guess is probably the meta point about
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  Speaker 3: all of this. It's, consent isn't in real life someone
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  Speaker 3: saying okay i'm gonna touch you here now is that
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  Speaker 3: okay with you because that's utterly unsexy and nobody does
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  Speaker 3: that um so so she was setting up this whole
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  Speaker 3: thing and then when it escalates obviously at any point
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  Speaker 3: and and this is true at any point you could
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  Speaker 3: say hey i'm not cool with what's going on can
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  Speaker 3: we like tone it down or can we back off
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  Speaker 3: of this but if you're setting it up that way
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  Speaker 3: and then things escalate and at no point do you say,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not cool with what's going on, can we tone
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  Speaker 3: it down? Then I don't understand how anyone is at
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  Speaker 3: fault for engaging in what she had set up. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that this is kind of the problem that
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  Speaker 3: we keep coming into with feminism and with this strange
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  Speaker 3: version of adulthood that our society now has identified is
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  Speaker 3: like on the one hand we're like we're like everyone
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  Speaker 3: needs to have maximum rights and and everything is about
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  Speaker 3: your rights and they're making up new rights by the
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  Speaker 3: day but then at the same time there is no
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  Speaker 3: maturity or responsibility that comes with those rights and the
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  Speaker 3: nature of rights is that you have to bear them
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  Speaker 3: responsibly because otherwise everything falls apart, which is what we're watching.
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  Speaker 3: And Camille Paglia, I hate to always bring her up.
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  Speaker 3: Like she's on my rabbi or whatever, but she makes
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  Speaker 3: good points in this respect specifically. And then this was
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  Speaker 3: actually probably her, her like landmark thought. which is you
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  Speaker 3: can't have it both ways. And upper middle class women
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  Speaker 3: will ruin feminism if for the reason that they literally
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  Speaker 3: can't handle it.
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  Speaker 4: They just can't handle it. They don't have the maturity
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  Speaker 4: and the wherewithal to have all of these freedoms. Because
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  Speaker 4: if you're a baby, you need somebody to control your
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  Speaker 4: behavior and in your environment. And if you're an adult,
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  Speaker 4: that's when you get freedom.
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  Speaker 3: But you can't be a baby with unlimited freedom. And
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  Speaker 3: if you're going to act like a baby, the freedom
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  Speaker 3: is going to crash on your head. And that's where
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  Speaker 3: we are. Like, that's where we are. I'm sorry, but
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  Speaker 3: in any other circumstance, and, you know, River Page, actually,
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  Speaker 3: from the Free Press, who I love, and he's such
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  Speaker 3: a smart guy, and I know him in person, and
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  Speaker 3: he's really interesting. He has a really interesting background. Highly
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  Speaker 3: recommend everybody go and read his columns at the Free Press.
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  Speaker 3: But River is a gay guy, and he was giving
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  Speaker 3: his take on this. He gave a long take on
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  Speaker 3: Twitter where he basically was like, you know, Guys engaging
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  Speaker 3: with guys know that if they're walking into a sketchy
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  Speaker 3: sex situation and they know they are, they do things
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  Speaker 3: to anticipate the fact that they're doing that because they
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  Speaker 3: want to protect themselves and be aware of what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: So why? whether it be sharing their location with a
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  Speaker 4: friend or at least going in being honest about what
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  Speaker 4: they're doing with their night, you know, and acting accordingly
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  Speaker 4: or bracing themselves accordingly. You know, they do that because
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  Speaker 4: they're coming in with full awareness of reality of what
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  Speaker 4: they're engaging in. But these women somehow don't have the
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  Speaker 4: same like thought or character to do that.
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  Speaker 3: And And, you know, it makes me wonder about this. Like,
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  Speaker 3: have we just convinced women that sex is meaningless? When
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  Speaker 3: it inevitably isn't because it's impossible to be. Certainly for
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  Speaker 3: a woman, it's impossible. for sex to be meaningless anyone
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  Speaker 3: who says that they are having a meaningless sexual encounter
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  Speaker 3: i'm sorry it's 100 of the time a lie it's
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  Speaker 3: 100 of the time a lie you know this is
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  Speaker 3: turning into a psychology of women podcast some sometimes and
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  Speaker 3: And I can tell you that it is a lie.
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  Speaker 3: There is no such thing as casual sex for a woman.
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  Speaker 3: And so, you know, maybe she goes in with the
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  Speaker 3: idea about that.
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  Speaker 4: And as it turns out, it's not true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is something that it does bring up a
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  Speaker 1: lot of questions that I don't really have to deal
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  Speaker 1: with on a personal level. My last first date, six
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  Speaker 1: days before my, I guess it was eight days before
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  Speaker 1: my 18th birthday. So that was a, it's not something,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad I missed this part of society, but the
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  Speaker 1: constant discussion of consent, I understand that it's well-meaning, but
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like the least sexy thing you could ever do.
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  Speaker 4: Do.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking of the nuances of it, not
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  Speaker 1: the blanket. I kind of get the blanket, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: is it cool that we're going for it? And then
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  Speaker 1: you get the thumbs up or the nod. Like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that I get. But then when do you have to
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  Speaker 1: check in on the consent? Because not everything's fair game
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  Speaker 1: all the time for any couple if you've been together
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  Speaker 1: for 20 minutes or 20 years. And so it's like,
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  Speaker 1: when does that come up again? And then can you
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  Speaker 1: accuse someone because you were willing to engage in a
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  Speaker 1: recently but not today and then they went for it
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  Speaker 1: and then they botched it.
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  Speaker 2: It's so awkward and uncomfortable anyway.
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  Speaker 4: That's just what it's turning into. That's what it's turning into.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, if you take sex.
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  Speaker 3: Seriously, you're ostensibly engaging in it with somebody who you
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  Speaker 3: take seriously. And if you're with somebody who you respect
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  Speaker 3: and hopefully respects you back, you know, I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: can't even believe we're having this conversation. This feels like
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  Speaker 3: too weird for public conversation.
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  Speaker 2: I felt this for two weeks. You can talk to
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  Speaker 2: each other.
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  Speaker 4: While you're together, and that's what, like, mature people do. Yes. Like,
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  Speaker 4: what are we talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Like, when in real life would somebody stop what they're
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  Speaker 3: doing and say, as the situation is escalating, and say,
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  Speaker 3: hold on.
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  Speaker 4: So this is what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 4: It's like, no, no, no. Like you're kind of just together.
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  Speaker 4: And if something is getting a little too hot, you
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  Speaker 4: say like, this is getting a little too hot. We
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  Speaker 4: need to like maybe turn it down.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how like two adults like communicating like works.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this feels just bizarre to be talking about,
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  Speaker 3: but the feminists are, This is the thing about feminism
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  Speaker 3: that really gets me is on the one hand, it's
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  Speaker 3: all about, and we talked about this, I think maybe
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  Speaker 3: on our last show that was two weeks ago. On
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  Speaker 3: the one hand, it's like a free for all, you know,
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  Speaker 3: women can do anything. Women can be as raunchy as anybody.
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  Speaker 3: They're exactly like men. Everything is fine. Don't judge anybody
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  Speaker 3: for anything ever. And then on the other hand, they're
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  Speaker 3: completely sterile in the way that they actually think about
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  Speaker 3: sex and the way that they actually approach sex. And
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, It's like a woman
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  Speaker 3: is barely an adult and like she can barely speak.
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  Speaker 3: And like, you know, she's at the whims of like
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  Speaker 3: her big, scary male partner or whatever. And you can't
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  Speaker 3: have it both ways. This is the lock that feminism
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  Speaker 3: has walked into is you get one.
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  Speaker 4: You have to choose one.
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  Speaker 3: Are women full agents or are they delicate flowers that
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  Speaker 3: need constant protection?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, look up the essay, The Right to be Raped.
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  Speaker 3: It will make all of this make much more sense.
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  Speaker 3: Camille Paglia, total genius, writes about this in depth and
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  Speaker 3: in eloquence and elegance about.
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  Speaker 4: How, you know, Can I tell you— Women need to
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  Speaker 4: keep their thoughts for their safety, and that's how they
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  Speaker 4: become equal.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about a couple of potential things here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to draw big conclusions. The small conclusions are
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  Speaker 1: this is all a big hoax and everyone involved is gross.
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  Speaker 1: But the first one, and there's several here, but the
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  Speaker 1: first one is will we learn the lessons that part
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  Speaker 1: of the problem is that this is just a natural—
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  Speaker 1: when we're starting, whenever we decided we'd follow the hippies
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  Speaker 1: into the sexual revolution, Is this the inevitable end place
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  Speaker 1: for this where we're going to do everything to make
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  Speaker 1: loveless sex, impersonal sex that is so normative in the
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  Speaker 1: culture that we're all.
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  Speaker 2: Just going to be repulsed by each other?
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  Speaker 1: Because this is one thing that I've always wondered because
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  Speaker 1: all the people involved here are so repulsive and they're
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  Speaker 1: repulsive forever. I don't know how you could be involved
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  Speaker 1: in something like this and it's be appealing as a spouse.
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  Speaker 1: And isn't that ultimately the goal is family formation? And
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  Speaker 1: if you had ever gone on a date with a person,
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  Speaker 1: male or female, and heard they were involved in this
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  Speaker 1: at a younger age, what percent of the population is
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  Speaker 1: repulsed by that?
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be pretty high.
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  Speaker 1: And if it's not super high, then that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: weird too. And I just feel like we're doing all
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  Speaker 1: these things to push ourselves further away from.
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  Speaker 2: The ideal of monogamous relationships.
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  Speaker 1: Marriage as the main vehicle for sexual activity and exploration
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  Speaker 1: and that is not that bad if that's the case
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  Speaker 1: like how far are we going to push it in
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  Speaker 1: the other direction.
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  Speaker 4: Well i think we're we're at a fork and and
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  Speaker 4: there's there's two ways that this goes it's either that
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  Speaker 4: way and and what i would add to to that
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  Speaker 4: to that like black pill scenario is that people become
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  Speaker 4: so used to um and their tastes get shaped by
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  Speaker 4: this like really like vile and like raunchy and like extreme.
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  Speaker 3: Version of sex that they struggle to have like normal
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  Speaker 3: relationships or they freak out people who aren't, you know,
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  Speaker 3: part of that scene and aren't involved in that. And
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  Speaker 3: I think porn also plays a big role in that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course it does.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's that road where like the extreme sex
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  Speaker 3: that's like emerging as like totally normal by like, feminism
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  Speaker 3: and also porn and uh changing changing norms and only
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  Speaker 3: fans you know that happens and it like totally turns
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  Speaker 3: people off and makes it impossible uh for for them
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  Speaker 3: to have like real like healthy relationships or there's like
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  Speaker 3: the clear pill path where we basically reconstruct marriage from
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  Speaker 3: like first principles so somebody like starts to think you
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  Speaker 3: know hey um I'm either if they're a woman, they're like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm terrified of being taken advantage of. I'm terrified of
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  Speaker 3: getting walked into something by somebody who I don't trust
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  Speaker 3: or who I'm not comfortable with.
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  Speaker 4: Um, Therefore, I can't engage in sex frivolously.
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  Speaker 3: And men, you know, saying, I am terrified of being
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  Speaker 3: with a woman who I don't trust. And then her
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  Speaker 3: turning around and saying I raped her or her not
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  Speaker 3: being comfortable to tell me what she actually wants and
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  Speaker 3: is cool with. And then she feels like she was
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  Speaker 3: raped and then turns around and said that I raped her.
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  Speaker 3: And so what they end up doing is they find
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  Speaker 3: someone who they trust and love and sleep only with them.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Why does that feel like that's the radical concept, though, now?
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  Speaker 4: They're going to just arrive at marriage from first principles.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is a point I've made in other contexts, Emma,
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  Speaker 1: with you and on the shows, is that we took
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: tolerance too far. It's the, it's the, I'm totally tolerant
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of people, particularly gay men, but, but particularly I'm tolerant
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: of people who want to have a lot of partners.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are wired, wired that way,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: particularly gay men are wired that way. But a lot
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: of most straight men I think are wired similarly and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I'm tolerant of it. But is it the ideal? Is
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: it the, and of course this is where it's going
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: to go. And then you've got all these people. I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: note this because this is a protest. I saw this one,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the turning point accounts. that took place this was last
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: night so on so we're a good two weeks into this.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Saga check this out emma.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: No means no.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a pretty good, I mean, there's
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: probably going to be a couple hundred people in this thing,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: younger people. It says justice for Jane Doe and the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: signs and they're chanting no means no. She said more guys.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: She didn't say no means no. She said, bring it on.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: She said, let's do another rail of horse off some
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: other guy's junk. Like she wasn't saying that no means no.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: That wasn't in the equation here.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And so they all bought in this lie, which has
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: been shared a billion times on TikTok.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And it's the whole hashtag, I am Jane Doe stuff.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Are you really into, even if you're pro-sexual liberation, are
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you really into doing drugs and getting gangbanged by a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: bunch of frat bros?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Is that you? Is that who you are? Or are
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: we all just too dumb to think?
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's... It's so it's just this is
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: all fake. This is literally all fake.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: And by the way, like, I guess if you want
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: to like snort ketamine and like have sex with five
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: guys at the same time, which was what like the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: original setup was and like the sixth was where she said, well,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel about this. Or actually,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: she didn't say that, but decided that after the fact retroactively.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: But anyway, you know, if that's what you're down for,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: then like, that's fine. But what these people are doing
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: is actually perpetuating this problem because it's not necessarily the encounter.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: It's the perceived reward. for coming and calling it rape.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Two years later.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. That's right. And so let me ask
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: about the last point, which is two years later. Do
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you have a theory on why now, why this is
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: coming out? Because I was starting to play with a
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: live show today, which you would have heard. But could
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: it potentially be election related? Could it be something like that?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you see any logic to why this
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: is happening right now?
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, no. I mean, I don't know. I mean,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: did they— like, the DNC— that would require the DNC, like, rustling
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: up this girl and being like, wasn't it traumatic what
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: happened to you two years ago that we found out?
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know how.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't—I'm not— I don't know, like, where this
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: is coming from. It's—I don't know. I don't know the
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: answer to the question.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: What do you— do you feel like we've covered the waterfront here,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: or is there more— that we need to talk about
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: in this saga, because it's going on. I mean, it's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: broken contained, as the expression goes. It's out there. There's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: no debunking that's going to slow this thing down.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: It's a freight train.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's right.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, everything that could possibly be debunked, including the
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: fact that this girl lifts, like, 250 pounds.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Did you see that?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I haven't gone to the effort to try to confirm
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: if this is who everyone speculates it is, but I did—
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: play along with the idea, did flirt with the idea
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: on air that the idea that she was on steroids,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I think, is unbelievable. That's my favorite of the conspiracies
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: by far.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, if this could have been debunked any further,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: she also is like a heavy weightlifter. And could probably
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: match up against some of the guys that she was apparently, like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: raped by. But, you know, look, I mean, yeah, no,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the thing is, this isn't about the facts of the case,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and this isn't about the details. This isn't even about
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: rape as you and I understand it, as it's always
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: been defined. This is about some sort of, like, third or, like, now, like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: fourth wave feminism that isn't about equality at all it's
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: about toxic femininity you know we've also discussed this on
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: previous podcasts where it was oh yeah you played a
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: clip of Obama and he was like if women ran
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the world like there would be like no problems and
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: like we would all live in peace and And I
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: called out how that is sort of dehumanizing in that
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: it doesn't allow women any evil tendencies, which is part
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: of being, like, human and a person with, like, a
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: full psychology and a full spectrum of agency. And so
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: there's this convenient ignoring that's going on of, like, the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: possibility that women, you know, could do really evil things
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: and perhaps even really violent things, maybe not physically violent,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: but nonetheless. And And there's this effort now to try
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to shroud, like, I don't want to, like, what's the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: opposite of chauvinism? But shroud, like, female supremacy in this
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: idea that women can do no wrong and they're constantly
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: a victim. And in doing so, you're, like, smuggling in
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: the matriarchy. The matriarchy, by the way, isn't a place
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: that I necessarily.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Want to live.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: No, no, the long, the long house, the long houses
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: we've discussed on the show.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: No, the, um, no, but this is what's so important
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: here is to understand that you can be the, the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: alpha in your life.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: You can have control in your life.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: And, um, you know, it's, it's uncomfortable to talk about
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: this stuff, especially personal stuff, but you know, and Mrs.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Marlowe is, uh, she's easy on the eyes, so to speak.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And she has not had to deal with, uh, a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: lot of serial harassment and, uh, It's a, God bless it,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and I hope it sustains itself, and it's not a guarantee,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: but she does not put out vibes that would indicate
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: she's a target. She carries herself like, I am not
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a good target for you. And I think any predator
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: would move on to a different target. And we need
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: to be teaching our girls, and we have collectively four
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: between the two of us, that you can be beautiful,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you can even be sexual without being a target.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: There's a way to do that. And we have none
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: of that discussion.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: It's just that Jane Ho's a victim after taking down
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: seven guys in the same night.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, exactly.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: And that really is the irony. And trying to, like, like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: just make this into the simplest possible like TikTok like
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: retard brain conversation you're actually taking away the real conversation
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: which is are there things that women can do to
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: not uh you know and we've discussed some of them
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: just today and that's another one is check your.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Vibe yes right What are you putting out there to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the world? And are you confident that what you're putting
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Is keeping you safe? And that is real, by the way.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: That is totally real. And women know it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: And we're not allowed to say it because it's like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I guess, victim blaming when it goes wrong.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: But guess what?
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: A lot of women use that vibe and it goes right. So,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: you know, but you're not allowed to actually talk about
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: that either because women can do no wrong.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: But of course, women use their sexuality and a vibe
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: in order to extract things that they want out of
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: the world. Totally.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: But I feel like we're just having such, we have
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to bring up all this rudimentary stuff now that is
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: better unsaid, but it can't be unsaid now because we
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: can't handle it. We can't handle basic stuff because we're
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: all acting like retards in the information era.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: We've all gotten so retarded. Let me give you an example.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: This is a professor at NYU, a guy named Scott Galloway,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: who alternates between saying smart stuff and then the most
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: retarded stuff on the whole internet at any given moment.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Here is one of the retarded ones. Play this one.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Exhibit one of how sexist this nation is Tell me,
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: tell me, if Hillary Clinton had a penis and balls,
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: she wouldn't be President Clinton. I mean, it's just.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Anyway, back to your book.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I'm a gel.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton became the Democratic nominee, if we have a
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: long enough memory for this conversation. She became the Democratic
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: nominee because she was a woman. Bernie Sanders was owning her.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders was totally owning her, but the Democratic Party
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: decided that it was herstory. And they just kind of
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: found a way to catapult her, as we learned in
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the WikiLeaks emails from the DNC. They found a way
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: to catapult her ahead completely unfairly. And it was strictly
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: because she was a woman. She got preferential treatment for that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: It wasn't because she, that was the only thing she
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: had going for her. And it was what all the
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: cerebral rails songs or whatever were about and the stans
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: and the simps. It was literally just because she was
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: a woman. There was absolutely nothing remarkable about Hillary Clinton.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: She was literally a garden variety neoliberal globalist who She
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: could be replaced by anyone. And she, in fact, was
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: replaced by anyone. And his name was Joe Biden. The
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: next go around who had the exact same ideology and
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the exact same vibe and the exact same plan and
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the policies and staff. It was literally just because she
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: was a woman in a suit and they thought it
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: was like cutesy.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: And like we were doing this now. It was like
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: a moment, you know, as they say.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when they did the Javits Center?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: You remember when they did the Javits Center for election night?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Because it literally had a glass ceiling.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So she's going to break the glass ceiling.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: It was this whole thing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Theatrical thing that they were going to do because it
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: like was sounded cool and the only reason it sounded
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: cool was because she was a woman this whole thing
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: was like a not a dei exercise because hillary did
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: have like you know some chops or whatever and she
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: had been in politics for a long time and she
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: was tough and like you have to give all of
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: that to her but in terms of like the the.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Uh uh inspiration there the inspiration was just that she
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: was a woman Totally right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And I 100% agree. I think if she had a
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: penis and balls, then she would have made as far
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: as she did. And I think specifically because she lacked
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the penis and balls.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: But I like when.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Guys say this, Emma, because it just flags who I'm
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: not going to follow. Or if they're my personal life,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be grabbing a beer with them
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: after the ball game.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: IQ test, totally.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: It really is. It's like how I always said this.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I love the last 10% of mask wearers during the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: pandemic because it's just a sense of message that These
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: are the people you don't want to talk to at
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the kids' soccer game. It's like, I'm just going to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: ignore this person because they're wearing this stupid, unscientific mask.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: But I caught a really funny one. Pete Davidson, the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: alleged comic who has never made anyone laugh in his life,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: not even a single time, but he's allegedly a comic
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and dates a lot of actresses and stuff. He went
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: through a long tattoo removal process.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And he.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Left his Hillary Clinton tattoo that he had. He had
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a really hideous Hillary Clinton tattoo. And he was asked
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: about it by a variety report or variety magazine. And
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: he said, she stays. That's my dog. I love Hillary, man.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: She's awesome and a good friend. And I just, it's
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the gayest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: The single gayest thing.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: What and like what like like hope she sees this
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: bro like not Hillary but the.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Woman who he was simping for when he did that
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: was it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: The Ariana Grande era uh yeah that's pathetic um brutal
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and you know that I mean we know this because
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: his life is completely public but whatever girl that was
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: for ultimately left him which is the only ending for
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: a move like that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: It's just wild that's absolutely absolutely wild uh it just
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: how long are we going to do this thing where
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we need this pete davidson in our life like it's
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the it's the i no one should harm pete davidson
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Don't take me out of context, but we keep doing
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: this thing with the most mediocre celebrities of all time.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Let's take a New York. So let's go to Mamdani.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: It feels like Mamdani is finally getting the left is
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: pushing back on him.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Obviously, anyone who likes Israel and the Jews at all
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't like him very much. But I don't know.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I see his TikTok numbers. Seems like people like what
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: he's doing overall. But he was getting heckled quite a bit.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I got a little footage. Let's see if this is
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: any good.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Check this out. Thank you.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So you can see this in the footage. It's not
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: coming through if you're just listening to the show. We
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: do try to provide visual elements. Those of you who
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: are inclined to check it out on YouTube, Rumble, etc.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: But these are pro-Palestinian people. So he's not sufficiently Islamist,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: even though he is a.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Ugandan Muslim.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And he's here, even though he's in the United States
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: running the city that was the site of the 9-11
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: terrorist attacks. You know, 25 years hence, but not radical enough.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Don't forget going to October 7th dinner at a Palestinian
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: restaurant that was, like, named after.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Some, like, war crime or something. Anyway, look, like.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: It's a real shocker that the people who support Hamas
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: don't think that Mamdani is radical enough for them. But
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: that's what happens when you pander to the most extreme
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: element of your base.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Nothing is ever good.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Enough, even like the disgusting example that I just cited,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: which was obviously a huge middle finger, let alone that
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: revolting tweet that he published. on October 7th, where he gave, like,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: if the audience hasn't seen it, I'll sum it up
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: for you quickly. He gave, like, four words being like, yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: October 7th sucked. And then he goes on to write, like, this, like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: screed about the war crimes and genocide that Israel has
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: committed in the years after that, which obviously is a lie,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: but nonetheless, he published it in disgusting fashion. But yeah, no,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: not good enough for the Hamas people in a shocking
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: turn of events, but you'd almost think that, like, he
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: hired these people to make him look sane.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is an interesting point, that it does, maybe
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it is a good political move.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't think he did.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah. But if he had.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: See, the people can see my facial expressions.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can see that I'm not coming in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: hot with the takes on this one because I'm trying
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to understand like maybe this is a good thing for
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: him if people think that he's not radical enough. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: he did, I mean, he ate at a Palestinian restaurant
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: on October the 7th and it was named after, you noted,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a girl who was killed in Gaza City. It's all
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: so performative as always, but it's very aggressive. It's very
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: aggressive that he, remember, the quote of the year is
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: still Abdul El-Said saying, October 7th was hurt people hurting people.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: That is literally the rapes and the murders. It was
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: only because the Hamas terrorists were hurt.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: They'd been hurt.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: So meaning all those innocent families that were completely destroyed,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: all those hostages taken, all the murders and the maiming
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and the rapes, all that was totally legit in the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: eyes of a guy who is on the verge of
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: becoming a senator. Truly crazy that's happening in this country
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Vile yeah no absolutely but this is a you know
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: a cohort and it's not necessarily their religion because if
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: you look to the clip that you just played uh
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: i don't think that the people in that crowd were
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: muslim necessarily it's uh it's a cohort of of people
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: with a unacceptable ideology and it is an unacceptable ideology
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: and I won't go into the maybe the McCarthy stuff
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: should be revisited talk on this podcast but it really
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: does make you think because what.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Are we doing?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are we doing?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: And that's where I get curious about how is the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: multicultural experiment going? Because I don't think it's going very well.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: This is what's going on in Minnesota right now. This
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: is a local news report about what's going on with
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the Somalians who are not just committing fraud, but they're
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: also doing a lot of gang violence.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Check this out, Emma.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: So we have spent a lot of time lately talking
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: about gun violence across the Twin Cities, and police are
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: now saying the handfuls that have happened in the West
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: Metro have some connections.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Chime in, go ahead.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: It's just like, what is this newscaster? It's very, whatever, leftist.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's becoming a big, this person's becoming a big star.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing her pop up. So I'd say she's becoming
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a character.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I'll properly introduce the audience in a second, but let's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: play a little more before I do that.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Some connections.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: I'm talking about the shooting on the basketball courts at
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: Our Lady of Grace in Edina and the shooting at
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: the Eden Prairie football game and a couple more shootings
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: at Eden Prairie in Bloomington. Some of these, police say,
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: are the work of gangs. And the members of those gangs,
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: they say, are Somali American teens and young adults. But
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: when some people just say Somali gangs, that leaves a
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: mark on hundreds of thousands of Somali people who have
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: nothing to do with gangs or these shootings. And we
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: have to talk about that. So Heidi has been looking
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: at where those lines are starting to get blurred and
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: the issues it's causing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: So then she goes on to talk about how— The
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: real victims.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Of the Somali shootings are the innocent Somalis.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And they're all victims of stereotyping. So it's like, we've miscast.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: We've overdone it. And so this is the whole point,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: is that we import these people in the country, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: within a generation or less, that they're already just creating
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: all sorts of violence, and they're committing fraud, the Medicare fraud,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, the leering centers. The Somalis are on
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a generationally bad run right now in this country, and
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: so I will note that. But when you've got these
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: liberal white women rushing in their defense, what's going on here?
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually listening to your show, was it yesterday?
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, he's tripping into noticing, like
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: if anyone follows Steve Saylor on the podcast.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, of course. Any audience.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: That's called noticing where you're like, I don't think it's
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: all people from Somalia, but there is a percentage that
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: is a higher percentage than in other demographics who are
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: committing crimes.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Good. I got to do it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And people can hear that. I listened back to that segment.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I was not as articulate as I could have been
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: in that segment, partially because it's so tough to talk
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: about this stuff.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: But it's a real fact.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: You were hedging because we get emotionally blackmailed out of noticing.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: It's time to start talking about the stuff. It's time
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to start talking about the multicultural experiment, how it's failing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: It's failing.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: It's failing.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And I'll say this again, and there's a nice little
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: segue here, but I'll say this again, is the, you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I don't want any secular liberal whites from Canada either.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: So it's like there are other demographics I don't like.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: It's not just the brown-skinned peoples. And I like many
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: of the brown-skinned peoples significantly more than the liberal white
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: secular Europeans and Canadians. But the point is, is that
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: we got to start looking numbers here because it's not
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: going well.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Are we all in agreement here? Whatever we're trying is
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: not optimized.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: And by the way, all the Steve Saylor stuff is, which, like,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: you know, we're kind of doing right now, is just
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: saying that there are, like, cultures have tendencies for certain
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: things and because of underlying beliefs about the way things work. And, like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: you know, you're always kind of doing this big throat
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: clearing exercise or hedging what you're saying so much that
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: you've diluted yourself to the point of saying nothing. But, like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's just common sense that in other places
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: in the world, like, you know, things are run.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Like, sometimes, like, in sectarian, like, for instance, in Somalia
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: is a good example.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: There's, like, there's these sects of groups of people and
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: power is really, like, wielded kind of illegitimately.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: It's, like, power by force. And so.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: The way that you have to operate in those societies
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: is often in gray areas or in black market areas
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: because it's not a fair environment for competition and resources. So,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: you know, there's mentalities that are incubated in these places
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: that are not the same as.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: In the U.S.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Where, like, you know, you do have a pretty much
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: fair playing field and you can compete legitimately. But when
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: you come from a place where, like, illegitimate means of
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: acquiring things is normal— then that's what you think is normal.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: And that has nothing to do with anyone's race. And,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: you know, and then, like, yeah, in Canada, look, it's
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: a socialist country. There's a lot of people in the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Nordic countries and Europe who also are socialists, and they
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: spit on the floor... at a lot of the customs
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: that in among Protestant Americans are totally normal and actually
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: make the country in many ways have the characteristics that
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: it has. But those people also don't like fit in
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of ways or they do things very differently.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: This is all very basic stuff, but Somehow you're always
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: bullied into feeling guilty for saying it because, like, they
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: also have different races sometimes when you're noticing suboptimal characteristics
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: for our culture.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: It's like, I'm not so over it. Yeah, like, there's
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: more violence in Africa.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: So when you bring a lot of people from Africa,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: they're used to having violent interactions.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Like, sorry, but yeah, it's fine. Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a swing at the Canadians for
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: a second, because only fair, because we're equal opportunity offenders here.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: So the Canadians right now, their economy is losing jobs.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: They lost 68,000 jobs in September, and the unemployment rate
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: has jumped up to 6.5%.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Except in Alberta.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Alberta has been doing better, but go on.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, but they had two straight months of losses, and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of it's because of the trade war that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Mark Carney's picked with Trump because he sees it as
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: politically advantageous. That's why he's doing it. I got a
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: cut of Trump talking about it, and then Emma, as
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: my New York and Canadian correspondent, we'll get you to
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: weigh in.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Here you go.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: Canada's been ripping off our country for many, many years,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: tremendously ripping off. They've been charging tremendous tariffs, one-way tariffs, 400%
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: on dairy products and other things. They're not ripping us off.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: We don't need Canada for anything. You know, they do 95%
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: of their business with us. We do very little with
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: them by comparison. And Canada has been very difficult to
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: deal with. And I think we're doing very well with Canada.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Canada would like to make a deal, but we're not
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: satisfied with it. Canada's been, we've been losing on average
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: 80 to $ 90 billion a year with Canada in order
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: for them to trade with us. Why are we doing that? That's,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: you know, it goes back to the thing I said
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: before about whether it's Switzerland or another country, we're losing
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: $ 90 billion a year doing business with Canada. Why? We
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: want to make our own cars. We don't want them
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: to make ours for us because if they make a car,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: We're not making a car. We don't need them to
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: make cars, et cetera, et cetera. It's a long story,
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: but they've been ripping us. Canada has been ripping us
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: off for many, many years, and they're not going to
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: rip us off anymore. Thank you very much, everybody.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Emma Jo, your thoughts?
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he's totally right.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: And he's addressing something that is maybe uncomfortable to talk
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: about now, but actually was always pretty much just like
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: accepted common knowledge, which is in the post-war era, There
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: was some sort of, I guess, understanding that America would
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: sort of stand up these smaller, culturally similar or friendly
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: economies and countries because it helped proliferate shared values. And
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: that was like this... implicit agreement that we all had.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And that's the source of a lot of anger in Canada.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: It's like, wait, wait a second. You're supposed to be
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: our ally. You're supposed to be our big brother. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: what do they mean by that? They mean we have
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: a smaller and less productive country than you. We have
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: basically similar values, apparently on paper, although we could talk
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: about all the ways that that is totally not true,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: and it's not true certainly in the last 10 years.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: But you're supposed to give us a ride on your coattails.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: And what do you mean now you want it to
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: be fair? But that's exactly right. And that was always,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: by the way, not controversial, that the United States takes
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: a haircut because there is like some sort of due
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: that they have to a country like Canada and to
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: England and to Europe to pay to.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Keep them more prosperous at Americans' expense.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: And all Trump is doing is saying that and then saying,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do that anymore. I'm not cool
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: with this arrangement anymore. And I want to renegotiate the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: arrangement to make it more fair. But to say that, like, no,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: things were totally fair and Trump is just being mean, like, no, no,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: we had all agreed that that was what we were doing.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Trump is just taking his right and his leverage to say,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I don't want to take the haircut anymore for your good.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: America first.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Emma, I got one more, and I don't have enough
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: time for this to get the full fleshing out of
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: this story, but the GQ's got an article that caught
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: my eye. It said, My Second Child is Perfect. He
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Ruined My Life by some person named Zach Barron, who
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I was unfamiliar with.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: It was a compelling title, and I.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Know that I have an occasional co-host on the show
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: who just had a second child. Do you consider your
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: second child perfect in ruining your life? Did you get
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a chance to look at this article, and what did
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you think of it?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah um this is like so interesting uh because it
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: was like a little more like deeper and more like
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: like psychologically sophisticated than your average i hate my kid
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: article that comes out every once in a while uh
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: but like it's it's a strange thing because you're reading
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: it and he is listing off all of the kind
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: of mundane facts and things that come up when you
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: have two kids yeah and um but but he's describing
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: them all as like negative. And he even goes to
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: some deeper points and acknowledges them, which is like, for instance,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: he talks about ego death. And like, I know for myself,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: like that was something that, that was a term that
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I used that I felt when I was pregnant, because
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: for me personally, I put a lot of my personal
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: identity into my, what I've like my productivity and like
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: what I do, like what I physically do and like
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: my work and like how hard I work and my performance. And,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: you know, and I'm sure, you know, fathers have this
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: experience in other ways. But when I was pregnant, like
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: there was this thing the size of a peanut that
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: was like wiping me out at two in the afternoon.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: And I didn't feel like I could push myself anymore.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And then she was the size of an avocado and
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I couldn't bend down. And all of the things that,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: or some things that I didn't even realize I staked
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: like my identity on in a way were being taken
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: away from me. And I used the term ego death
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: at the time to describe that feeling. But then at
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: the same time, part of that conversation in my own
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: mind was like, Growth. This is like your growth. Like
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: this is you entering into a stage that is completely
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: foreign and completely new to.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Your life prior.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: And you're going to come out of this a different
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: person and you got to like roll with it and
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: let it transform you and let yourself become stronger and
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: perhaps even redefined.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Through that experience. And, and so, you know, this guy.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Is like talking about this stuff in a quite sophisticated way,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: but then he is deducing that it's like not good.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Like he's talking about basically the whole article is about
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: how a second kid takes you completely away from being
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: the person that you were before and how having one
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: kid is more similar to having no kids than it
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: is to having two kids. because of how drastically it
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: changes you and your life. But then what he concludes
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: from that is that that sucks. And it's exactly, first
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: of all, it's exactly the wrong take because it doesn't suck.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: You're going through a transformation.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Let yourself be transformed by that and transcend whatever you
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: were before that day. But aside from that, you know
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: what's sad about it is, as I was talking about
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: this recently, you know, life is, this is my take,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: life is, is not the birthdays and the anniversaries and
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: the vacations. I mean, you have those things happen every
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: year or whatever, and they're fun and they're special, but
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: it's not, life is not the special fun things. Life
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: is a collection of mundane things and that's your life
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: um it's it's regular days it's walking through your door
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: every evening and greeting your wife or your kids it's
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: um you know uh going to work and plugging away
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: at your computer it's right and not phone calls and
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: you know if you if you dismiss all of that
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: as boring and mundane and that's your perspective on those
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: things and you only live for the fun times you
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: are um squandering the life that you have what the
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: correct take is is those mundane things when you have
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: like multiple kids crying and you're like dying and you
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: haven't slept in three days and you have a call
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: at seven in the morning the next day um you
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: know is to say to yourself um what a privilege
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: this is a privilege because what is underneath all of
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: that and why is all that happening is because you
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: get the profound experience of being completely relied on by
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: somebody who loves you in a way that is.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Like, you're their whole world. And that's like, if you
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: think about it, a real honor.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: And what that looks like is having like snot on your,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: shirt and being exhausted and not wanting to do anything.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: And, and, and, and then one day it's gone. And, and,
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: and how did you experience it when it was there?
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I just, my experience, take away there's some big ideas
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: in here that i don't totally disagree with but overall
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: i feel like this just indulgence of you're not supposed
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: to grow up and have a family and have children
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: is i find it to be very anti-human um i
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: feel like i've got to do more in my career
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: than the most people and i've got to travel cool
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: places because of that and be get to know important
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: people and And there's nothing even close to anything I've
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: done in my career that's as meaningful as raising children.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And I just feel like that we, I think we
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: all started from that premise.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Very recently. And then now we do all these magazine pieces.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, maybe, is it really better? Is it
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: really better?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Like, even though the kids, it can be a total pain.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: And I've got twice as many as this guy's got.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: And some of the days are really challenging and they're
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: draining and you don't have any free time anymore.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: But what are you really doing with the free time?
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Was it that great?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Or is it better to raise children, raise, human beings,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: raise Americans to raise, for my case, raise Christian Americans.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's, that's a, I love that. I savor it.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: And I just don't know, just we do all this time.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: We're just showing our own heads all the time.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Well, that's, that's, and that's the thing that gets lost
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: in all of this, which is at a certain point, like,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: in your early thirties, like you've kind of done everything.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: And there's not much that is new to you.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: But what you can do to excite yourself is have
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: kids and then watch them learn and discover everything through
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: their eyes. And, and there's such amazement and wonder in
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: the world if you do that. And, and, The alternative
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: is to cling to the years that are in your
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: past and try to still be 25.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: And I mean, if nothing else, it looks so bad.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: It looks so bad.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: If you look at the people who have this arrested development,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: it's like you feel bad for them. They think they're
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: having a blast, maybe. But, you know, I heard this quote.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's a Jerry Springer quote. God, the biggest
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: blessing that God does is not letting childless people know
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: what they're missing.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that quote.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I forget who said it, but it is true is
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: that they don't totally get it. But what's getting odd
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to me is that what's new is that this effort
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: to try to not to try to persuade people to
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: not have kids or to make them be bummed out
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: about their kids, which is just.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I don't relate to it. I think it's bad overall,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: but I do like your assessment and analysis. Emma, I'm
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: out of time, unfortunately. I could do more time with you,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: but I got to go pick up three of the
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: four kids right now.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: So that's where I'm running off to.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to be with you. Follow Emma Jo
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: NYC on the Everything app. If you need her consulting services,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Beck and Stone is her consultancy. You should go over
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  Speaker 1: there as well. Anything else I can share with you
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  Speaker 1: or any final words for the audience for the day?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, go get your kids.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go get them. I'm going to go
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: get them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get them all. And then I'm going
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to tell them and they ruin my life, but they're perfect.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: You're in the middle of a podcast. I just cut
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: my podcast short for you. How is podcasting?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, bye Emma. Thank you.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and thanks Misty for putting this together. Go in peace,
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  Speaker 2: do love and serve the Lord.