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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-20-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy Monday, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you had a great weekend, another hot summer
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  Speaker 1: day here in Salt Lake City. My wish for you
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  Speaker 1: is that you get out into the sunshine. Maybe throw
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  Speaker 1: a little water on it as well, sprinklers, water balloons.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you have a chance to get out to a
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  Speaker 1: river or a lake or a paddle boarding situation today.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's tough on a Monday, but fingers crossed
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  Speaker 1: that we can all find the time to enjoy this
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  Speaker 1: beautiful summer we've got going on. Another very interesting weekend
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  Speaker 1: in the world of sports. College football season marching Closer
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  Speaker 1: and Closer and closer. Camp begins on August third, that is,
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  Speaker 1: two weeks from today. Players will report on the second.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone in the building lockers handed out.
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  Speaker 2: Again.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that that's how it works anymore. I
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  Speaker 1: think they just get to keep their lockers all year
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  Speaker 1: round because it's a full time job these days.
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  Speaker 2: But in any case, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually kind of funny because it's not even all
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  Speaker 1: that common for your best recruits to show up on
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  Speaker 1: August third anymore. Most of them enrolled in January. Like
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  Speaker 1: the guys that you're really really early. Enrollment is now
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  Speaker 1: the norm for the top recruits in a class, but
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  Speaker 1: there will.
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  Speaker 2: Be some freshmen getting their feet wet.
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  Speaker 1: On August third, there will be several players that are
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  Speaker 1: making their final start to a camp. And this time
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  Speaker 1: it'll be a lot different because it's Morgan Scalley running
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  Speaker 1: the show. We'll have an opportunity to catch up with
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  Speaker 1: Morgan with his coordinators. We've got to figure out when
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  Speaker 1: we're going to start Devin Dan Pierre addition with dev
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  Speaker 1: On the program. But football season is very much right
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  Speaker 1: around the corner here and we are thrilled about it.
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  Speaker 1: It has been a friendly summer if you're a sports
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  Speaker 1: talk radio guy, I'll say that because you had now
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  Speaker 1: a professional hockey team here in the market that was
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  Speaker 1: playing into the early summer. You had World Cup action
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  Speaker 1: to occupy us. You had, of course the Utah Jazz
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  Speaker 1: holding on to a high draft lottery pick number two. Overall,
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  Speaker 1: that made summer league a little bit more interesting. So
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  Speaker 1: the dog days of Summer James have not yet reached us.
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  Speaker 1: In the sports world. We've always had something to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was maybe and you're right about this, as
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  Speaker 3: I say this, we had something to talk about at least,
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  Speaker 3: but there was probably the first week or so of
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  Speaker 3: June that was whatever. But we still had NBA playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: We had NBA Finals going on. We had the Jazz
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  Speaker 3: anticipating a number two pick, who are they gonna pick?
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  Speaker 2: Conversation?
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  Speaker 3: Then the World Cup World Cup gave us like more
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  Speaker 3: awesome games to react to. It feels like the dog
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  Speaker 3: days are finally here though, oh see, because we got
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  Speaker 3: baseball and RSL's back in action this week. The Talons
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  Speaker 3: are Utah Talents, the athletes in the limited softball league.
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  Speaker 3: They're playing the championship later this week. Gonna talk with
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  Speaker 3: the other coach, Bear Cindy ball Malone, the head coach
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  Speaker 3: of the Talents, later today. So you got that going on,
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  Speaker 3: but not much.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: These next two weeks are gonna be. This is where
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  Speaker 3: we have to stretch a little bit. Ocie, I believe
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  Speaker 3: in us.
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  Speaker 1: This is where I actually have to be halfway decent
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  Speaker 1: at coming up with content for the job. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: these two weeks which I have, by the way, I
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  Speaker 1: want to thank everyone and also ask forgiveness while I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking the nice thing for us here because ESPN seven
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  Speaker 1: hundred is really great and a wonderful home for me
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  Speaker 1: to do this show. Instead of being like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: are guys going to be gone to do national television broadcast, right,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have embraced it and helped promote it, and
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  Speaker 1: it's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: Thankfully.
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  Speaker 1: The schedule lays out in a mostly friendly way relative
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  Speaker 1: to the PFL and Utah football season. We've got an
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  Speaker 1: event again this week, an event again next week, then
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  Speaker 1: a brief break, then back August twenty second, and then
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of mostly done for the year. There's maybe
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  Speaker 1: gonna be something in September, there's maybe gonna be something
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  Speaker 1: in October or November, but it's not gonna be two
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  Speaker 1: events every fall month like we did the first year.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm actually really pretty thrilled about that.
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  Speaker 1: I know that it doesn't matter all that much to
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  Speaker 1: everyone listening, but for me, it's a big deal because
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  Speaker 1: I get to stay dial in on Utah football, don't
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  Speaker 1: have to split my attention and my preparation and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But to watch any games, if maybe maybe two games,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to watch on a plane home.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know how yeah, you know how annoying
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  Speaker 1: it was to have to like come back watch catch
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  Speaker 1: the YouTube because I I'm obviously watching the whole Utah
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  Speaker 1: football game no matter what, but I try to watch
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  Speaker 1: as much Big twelve. I try to watch every single
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  Speaker 1: BYU game. I try to watch a lot of Utah
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  Speaker 1: State games, and I'm watching the national games as well.
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  Speaker 1: And it got really play when you're on an airplane
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  Speaker 1: catching the one hour recaps of those.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna finish out the summer strong.
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  Speaker 1: Football camp will be going going on at the University
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  Speaker 1: of Utah, but you know how that is. You don't
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  Speaker 1: get a ton of hardcore answers most of the time
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  Speaker 1: on that, and then by the time football season rolls
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  Speaker 1: around September third opening nights at Rice Cycle Stadium Thursday night,
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, the workload in the PFL will
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  Speaker 1: be done. Now, there there might be something Arkansas Week
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  Speaker 1: I just found out about, but if there is, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna have to miss the game itself, so I
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  Speaker 1: will see all of you at Rice Cycle Stadium. In
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  Speaker 1: any case, we are pumped on this summer real quick.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Utah Fall Camp, we got a new nickname
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  Speaker 3: for it here on ESPN seven hundred because not Camp Kyle. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Kyle's not here anymore. That was very much a Bill
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  Speaker 3: Riley thing. By the way, he coined the term camp Kyle.
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  Speaker 3: We're going with the camp scally.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, can we go camp Scaley?
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  Speaker 4: Wag?
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  Speaker 2: Would that be cool? Short one? Sure? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna work shop it. I don't think it works.
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  Speaker 3: That's I mean, I mean, I'm saying that officially it's
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  Speaker 3: Camp Scaley because that's going to be on all the promos,
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  Speaker 3: so we we could, we can do we can do
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  Speaker 3: other nicknames, but the official nickname here it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's seven hundred we camp Scaley.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose as a collective fan base eight seven seven
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  Speaker 1: three five three zero seven hundred. When it comes down
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  Speaker 1: to the one word identification of your coach, Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 1: became wit yeah. Naturally, right when you were talking about
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  Speaker 1: it and you were doing the shorthand.
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  Speaker 2: It you were saying wit. Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Now camp Kyle is independent of that, but wit we
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  Speaker 1: would say, or we would say coach wit. If you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to reference the head coach at the University of
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  Speaker 1: Utah in one syllable, you would say.
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  Speaker 2: Wit yeah, Right, Camp Kyle was just the alliteration. The
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  Speaker 2: that was. That was why I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: With Morgan, I don't. We haven't fully decided it yet, right,
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  Speaker 1: but most people like it's. It's still new enough that
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  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna just call him Morgan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we're just gonna say Morgan, kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Like BYU fans used to say Bronco, kind of like
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  Speaker 1: going all the way back. It used to just be
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  Speaker 1: Lavelle Utah Annie. Now down there, now it's kalan Utah.
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  Speaker 1: It was coach Mack. You never just said ron You
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  Speaker 1: never said McBride. You would say coach mack. Urban was Urban,
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  Speaker 1: Witt was Wit. And now Morgan I think is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be Morgan eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Are you gonna call him Scali? You're gonna call him Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get to a situation where we call.
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  Speaker 2: Him scal scal. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just gonna be Morgan. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: if we're workshopping. I think that's where it's probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: net out.
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  Speaker 3: But we don't know, right, and Scal like scal or scowl.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: You you've achieved a certain level of status in the
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  Speaker 1: fame and sports world when you have the singular moniker,
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  Speaker 1: when you have just when you've just become identified by
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  Speaker 1: the one thing. Now it's funny because he's on my
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  Speaker 1: television right now. We're gonna talk about him later during
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Dump. But like Tom Brady was never not
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  Speaker 1: he was never Tom and he was never Brady. He
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  Speaker 1: was always Tom Brady.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was never Peyton or Manning. He was Peyton Manning.
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  Speaker 1: Eli was kind of just Eli at some point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Eli. Yeah, Eli got the one name, Mahomes. You
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  Speaker 3: can just say Mahomes, right. Russell Wilson at some point
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  Speaker 3: was Russ. Josh Allen's I mean outside of the Peterson
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  Speaker 3: household anyway, he's Josh Allen. He's joshy Josh where you're at.
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  Speaker 1: So there's Josh Allen, right, Football might be the outlier here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Devin damp Pierre, I think we get to Dev
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  Speaker 2: in most cases. He's Dev.
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  Speaker 1: I think we call him Dev. I think bird Fickl
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  Speaker 1: in most cases. Yeah, Bear Pockbuyer, geez, he's just Bears.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna be Bear at some point, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: are there enough Bears?
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  Speaker 2: Is there enough?
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  Speaker 3: Room for all these bears in the market here, Probo
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  Speaker 3: salt Lake.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to get too
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  Speaker 2: deep in the weeds on that.
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  Speaker 1: But in any case, that singular moniker in sport, it
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  Speaker 1: becomes a really important thing. So what is it going
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  Speaker 1: to be. I think it's going to be Morgan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll let it develop.
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  Speaker 3: I could see Scal now that you bring that up,
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  Speaker 3: I could see that being. I can't see that happening
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  Speaker 3: at all. Yeah, he's not, see I I joke. The
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  Speaker 3: pun comes out, of course, as I want to do.
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  Speaker 3: I come up with a pun for it. He's not
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  Speaker 3: the kind of guy that's gonna give you angry faces
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  Speaker 3: very much, So it's not otherwise Scal and scowl. We'll
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  Speaker 3: a fun little play on that, but.
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  Speaker 1: We will see what it will, see how much angry
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  Speaker 1: face we get out of him. But see, in any case,
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  Speaker 1: we've got camp coming up two weeks from today.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun.
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  Speaker 1: We'll decide what we call all these people as their
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  Speaker 1: reputations progress. This past weekend you had a pretty jam
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  Speaker 1: packed sports late. Honestly, the British Open was going on,
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  Speaker 1: very interesting and fascinating British Open. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about that in about twenty minutes with Paul Pugmeyer. He's
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  Speaker 1: hopping on to discuss the controversy of Bryson de Shambo.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I love a good bad boys story.
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  Speaker 1: I like when there's a villain. Bryson de Shambo feels
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  Speaker 1: like you might be leaning into that role just a
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  Speaker 1: little too much.
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  Speaker 3: He'sa He certainly is the golf villain right now.
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  Speaker 1: And of course you had a World Cup final and
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  Speaker 1: a World Cup third place game over the weekend, which
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  Speaker 1: was funny because I was in Austin, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: But we have several Brits working for the PFL.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we had a few British fighters on the card
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  Speaker 1: this weekend and talking World Cup with them.
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  Speaker 2: There's a genuine level of heartbreak.
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  Speaker 1: There was the console prize of beating France in a
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  Speaker 1: wild and wholy game for third place, but there's like
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  Speaker 1: a genuine level of heartbreak that I think all of
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  Speaker 1: us sort of like intellectually understand but don't have a
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  Speaker 1: real emotional understanding of when it comes to you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were all bummed out to see Team USA exit
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  Speaker 1: the tournament the way that they did, but none of
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  Speaker 1: us really ever believed it was going to be USA
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  Speaker 1: hoisting the trophy at the end of the World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: Every British person I talked to and sample sizes like six,
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  Speaker 1: so take with it what you will. All of them
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  Speaker 1: were genuinely bummed out because they really believed it was
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  Speaker 1: coming home. And that's that's just something like that, that's
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  Speaker 1: the emotion of sports. They played well, they didn't play
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  Speaker 1: well enough against Argentina. Some people think they did play
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  Speaker 1: well enough against Argentina but didn't get the calls. They
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  Speaker 1: went their way. But Spain this weekend, Spain yesterday, and
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  Speaker 1: what ended up being a really interesting final, Spain just dominated.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Leo Messi is probably the greatest of all time. Again,
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  Speaker 1: this is the tax of having a World Cup on
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  Speaker 1: North American soil. You get guys like me who are
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  Speaker 1: not soccer heads talking soccer too much, right, But it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like Caitlin Clark makes all of us talk
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  Speaker 1: a little WNBA. It's like Connor McGregor makes everyone talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about MMA. It's like Mike Tyson makes
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  Speaker 1: people pop in and start talking about boxing. But we
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  Speaker 1: all watched this very closely and the magic that Leo
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  Speaker 1: Messi is and was able to create all throughout this tournament.
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  Speaker 1: In the World Cup is for someone like me who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't understand soccer talent, doesn't understand soccer tactics, like it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit hard to articulate and explain.
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  Speaker 2: And Spain just didn't let it happen.
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  Speaker 1: Spain was just like, yeah, we know you have the
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  Speaker 1: best player in the world over there. We know that
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  Speaker 1: that guy when the ball is at his feet does
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  Speaker 1: things that all of us just kind of shrug and
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  Speaker 1: throw our hands up and say, what the bleep was that?
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  Speaker 1: And Spain just refused to let it happen. Thirty two
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  Speaker 1: percent of possession in ultimately a one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 1: minute game belonged to Argentina. The rest was Spain playing
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  Speaker 1: keep away, Spain on the attack, Spain stopping Argentina from
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  Speaker 1: developing anything, Spain stopping Argentina from getting the ball too messy,
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over again. The stat that was
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  Speaker 1: insane at the end of regulation was that Argentina had
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  Speaker 1: zero shots. Not zero shots on frame, zero shots on goal.
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  Speaker 1: They had zero shots in the game. And this is
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  Speaker 1: one of those things that will make a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people a lot of soccer hate hate soccer even more
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  Speaker 1: so you're telling me that a World championship game, because
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  Speaker 1: it is exactly that, as the World Cup final, a
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  Speaker 1: World championship game, one of the best two teams on
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  Speaker 1: the planet isn't able to create any offense at all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this the other sport analogy here. This is
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  Speaker 1: complete one way traffic. This is a perfect game being
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  Speaker 1: thrown by the opposite the opposing pitcher. This is one
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  Speaker 1: of those wild like power for versus FCS matchups where
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  Speaker 1: you've got some poor team from the swack taking on
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  Speaker 1: an sec powerhouse, and you look at the final stat
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  Speaker 1: sheet and it's just like Georgia today was able to
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  Speaker 1: rack up six hundred yards, not even that because Spain
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of offensive success themselves, but you
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  Speaker 1: look at the defensive statistics and it's just like the
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  Speaker 1: total yardage for whatever Southeast Missouri state is negative four
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  Speaker 1: rushing yards and fourteen passing yards. It was just a smothering,
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  Speaker 1: a blanking of epic proportions that allowed Spain to win
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  Speaker 1: one nil and claim their second World Cup, a World championship.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, as the Fox broadcast did really well
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  Speaker 1: throughout the entire tournament.
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  Speaker 2: You got to see.
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  Speaker 1: It was about what midnight one am in Spain, the
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  Speaker 1: reaction of the goal, the reaction of which happened an
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  Speaker 1: extra time, of course, the reaction of the second half
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  Speaker 1: of extra time, I should say, and just the emotion
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  Speaker 1: of a nation full of hardcore soccer fans. It's a
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  Speaker 1: religion over there, and I wish we had some equivalent
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  Speaker 1: of this in American football. Of course we don't, because
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  Speaker 1: nobody else plays American football and cares about American football.
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  Speaker 2: Like we do.
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  Speaker 1: We got some small analog when it came to the
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  Speaker 1: Olympic gold medal in hockey, right, that's something that we
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  Speaker 1: can all kind of get on board with. And we
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  Speaker 1: were all polling for TEMSA, and your patriotic hearts and
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  Speaker 1: your patriotic mind demanded that you get that win against Canada,
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  Speaker 1: and it was that much sweeter because it was against Canada.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know
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  Speaker 1: enough about soccer to tell you why they were able
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  Speaker 1: to do that to Argentina. Why Spain was able to
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  Speaker 1: be so dominant, especially defensively against Argentina. I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: going to pretend that I could tell you the difference
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  Speaker 1: between that World Cup final and all of the other
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  Speaker 1: previous World Cup finals, and in terms of quality of play,
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  Speaker 1: quality of officiating, whether or not the game was as
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  Speaker 1: visually appealing.
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  Speaker 2: All I know is I was sitting there watching it.
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  Speaker 2: I was having a great time.
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  Speaker 1: Spain had chance after chance after chance, and ultimately there
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  Speaker 1: their attack, fin got one in and they're the world champs.
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  Speaker 1: You zoom out and you say, well, was this a
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  Speaker 1: successful World Cup for the United States of America, for Mexico,
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  Speaker 1: for Canada?
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  Speaker 2: I think undoubtedly so.
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  Speaker 1: I think that, as we have talked about throughout the
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  Speaker 1: several weeks of this thing, I think it was much
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  Speaker 1: needed positive pr for the culture of the United States,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: for the people of the United States, for the United
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: States as a country. I think that the flow balligan
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  Speaker 1: red card not a red card situation certainly eroded a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of that good will mid tournament. But then,
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  Speaker 1: even if you don't view this as an American again,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm speaking from like the world perspective. I
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  Speaker 1: think that there was a like a feeling of at
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  Speaker 1: least justice was done. Ultimately that the US was not
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  Speaker 1: able to advance after that. I think that's where a
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  Speaker 1: lot of soccer fans netted out on it, even though
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  Speaker 1: you know, the American opinion should be in my in
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  Speaker 1: my thinking, the American opinion should be that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Flo Baligan didn't deserve the red card in the first place,
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  Speaker 1: so wiping it out two things can be true.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: He should have been allowed to play.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: The red card never should have happened, So that wipeout
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: probably was the right thing. But the process by which
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: it happened maybe felt a little bit icky, and we
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: talked about that plenty, But I don't think that isolated
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: incident ended up, you know, doing enough to ultimately hurt
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the reputation of or the goodwill reputation wise that American
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: sport and American fans had built up throughout this tournament.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I think that ultimately was a really, really good thing.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, massive success and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: what a joy it was, What fun it was to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: have that to cover throughout the summer. And I told
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you I made my confession like I'm gonna watch soccer.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay on board this train that I finally
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: at age forty two, hopped on after I think the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: last time I hopped off the train was probably when
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: my team, my six year old soccer team, the Pink Panthers,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: didn't advance into the postseason. I don't even know if
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: we advanced to the postseason. Let's be honest, we don't
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: remember what happened when we were six. I think that
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: was the last time I really was like dialed on soccer.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So fun to be back in it. Fun to have
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: a club squad. I gotta find a European team. I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: suppose RSL for now, all right, but applause and congratulations
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to everyone who's involved in this World Cup. I really
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: think that the US did a great job hosting. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: think that Fox did a great job on the coverage.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I think the only American who probably came out looking
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: worse was maybe Alexi Lawless.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: He seems to have like eroded.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: If he ever hadn't, if he had pop popularity and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: goodwill coming into this thing, I think some of that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: went away. But beyond that, it was just it was
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a blast, and that's what these are supposed to be.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: That's what sports are supposed to provide us right, connection points,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: entertainment points. And it was a spectacular World Cup. More
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: goals than ever, the record for individual goals scored Killing
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Himbape scores ten goals to get the Golden Boot in
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: this thing. Ten goals in seven games. It's ridiculous that kid.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: That kid is going to probably before it's all said
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and done, have like achieved kind of like an unattainable
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like a cal Ripkin level. You can't touch this because
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: if he's halfway through potentially his World Cup play, right,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: he'll play when he's thirty, He'll play when he's thirty four.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: He'll probably play again when he's thirty eight, because he's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: twenty six right now, if I'm not mistaken. So if
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: he's got three more World Cups to play in, I'm
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna assume he scores ten goals in all of those,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: But let's say he scores at least five in those,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: then he will have nearly doubled the previous record.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Going into this one.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: He'll have nearly doubled the previous record of goals scored
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: in a World Cup. Bananas, So killing Nimbape killed it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Leo MESSI kill really all the stars in this tournament.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And again I I think FIFA is one of those
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: organizations that they're kind of like the NCAA.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: They're impossible to root for.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: You you look at FIFA and you see the corruption,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and you see like the the weird manipulation of politics
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and the weird manipulation of like even sponsorship rules, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: it's hard to root for FIFA.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: It's impossible to root for FIFA. You can't really root
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: for FIFA.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: But I can't imagine that this World Cup could have
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: gone better for FIFA.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Like, at the end of the day, you had all
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: these cool you expanded the format, and there were people
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: who were like, oh, this is a bad idea, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: then you got all these incredible, wonderful stories, these Cinderellas
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: went with the expanded format, the Cape Verds and some
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: of those types of things where and even maybe Team
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: USA's run in a North American World Cup and Mexico's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: run in a North American World Cup were helped along
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: by an expanded format.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Right, So a couple of your host.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Nations probably benefited teams like that, that Cape Verd that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: sort of grabbed the attention of the international soccer community.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: All of that, those storylines building you up. But then
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: what did you get at the end? Like we always
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: talk about in NCAA basketball you can make this thing
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty teams, but what people really want
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: at the end is they want Kansas North Carolina Duke
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and maybe will allow for like a huge Stonner in
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Arizona or someone who's not like an all the way
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: died in the Wold Blue Blood. FIFA got the top
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: four ranked teams in the world in the final four,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: so for them it was like cool.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: We got everyone feeling like they were involved.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: We got the entire world with all these great storylines,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: we got some social media stars. We got America, you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: wrapping its arms around the soccer community. And hopefully that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: will at least if during the World Cup we had
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: two hundred million American soccer fans because we were all
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: prisoners of the moment. I bet that when it's all
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: said and done, there's like thirty million who were not
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: soccer fans before who now are because.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Of this, including yourself, including myself.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will lead the charge of that thirty million person.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Army.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the president of the of the new American.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Soccer fan And if you are the soccer gatekeeper who
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't want me on board, then I'm just gonna push
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: on past. I don't care where our own You're just
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: gonna say we're our own American soccer fan club and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you're not invited.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: We're an independent body. We are not FIFA, all right,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: we are not.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: But like we're not the gate keeping soccer fan we're
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: something else.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I Ultimately, how could it have gone better?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Honestly, how could it have gone even with the result
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: of Spain winning, Because there was some of that, like
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: some people who are like, Argentina is being done all
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: these favors and Argentina is.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Being pushed along and pushed along and pushed along. Argentina
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: ultimately did not win it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: If they had, some of those people would have been dissatisfied,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and that narrative might have persisted for a tiny vocal
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: fan base that was just like, oh you, this is
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: what FIFA wanted, and they got exactly what they wanted,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and the corruption fed this one so Messi could get
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: back to back World Cups and whatever else.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Ultimately, the quality of soccer came out on top.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Messi got to touch the ball for like ninety seconds
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: in the World Cup final.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Spain was in credible defensively throughout the tournament, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: you know, educated people like me and you on why
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: they were most people's pick to win the World Cup
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: at the beginning of the tournament. They only allowed one goal.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Oh see all in seven games. I the Golden Glove.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: The best goalkeeper at the tournament was undoubtedly he was. Yeah,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: he was incredible only allowing only allowing one goal or
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: scoring a record number of goals. One player doing that
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: in Bape scoring ten goals for the double digit goals
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: for the first time. He woke up history for a player.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think Spain only allowing one goal is
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: more impressive. It's not as flashy because we like offense
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: more than defense, especially in this country, right.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And it's a whole team effort.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It's not one guy leading the charge versus one guy
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: scoring ten goals. But that I mean, you talk about
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: records that may never be broken. I don't think we're
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: gonna have a team. We're not probably never gonna have
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: a team that never allows a goal in World Cup history.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think this one even gets matched. Where you
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: only allow one like that seemed impossible in my mind
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: before this.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And here we are with Spain now celebrating a World
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Cup championship, and they're a relatively young team. So Spain,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you know who hosts the next World Cup? Yeah, they're
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: one of the host nations. It's the Iberian Peninsula. Basically,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: it's Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Morocco. Yeah, so that one. By
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the way, James, we're gonna have to work it into
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the budget. Maybe if we it's we got four years
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to prepare for this. If we put aside like ten
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: bucks a month in the budget between now and then,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: we'll have four hundred and eighty dollars. Because that's how
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that math works out, we will have maybe more than
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: ten bucks a month. We play part of a plane ticket,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: so maybe more than ten dollars per month to save
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: for our World Cup adventure to Spain, Portugal, Morocco.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Four years is actually not that long.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: It really what are you talking about saving on a
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: monthly basis. I'll say this to I hear what you're
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: saying about. FIFA's got to be happy with how this
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: World Cup went. The only thing that I personally, one
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: of the takeaways I have personally about we know that
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: FIFA is going to try to co opt all of
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the goodwill that American fans and all the other fans
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: around the world, all those great moments we had about
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: you know, people coming into coming to America maybe for
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: the first time, and going, oh, this place is way
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: better than I realized it was all of the the
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: was it the Brazilian fans embracing the Japanese fans after
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: they got eliminated by Brazil And there's a Japanese fan
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: just crying because really sad about that, right, and the
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Brazilian fans putting their arms around him. So many other
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: great social media goodwill moments. FIFA is going to try
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: to say, yeah, see, that's what we do. I just
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: want to say, FIFA, that had nothing to do with you.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: That was good people from around the world being good people.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: You had nothing to do.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: With you effectively did zero to facilitate that. It actually
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: worked actively against it by price gouging, exetting prices for
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: quote the American market and making a lot of these
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: games completely inaccessible to people that are like more of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the common folk. I don't know if you saw the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: social media kind of man on the street stuff that
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: where there were several outlets, several people, several accounts walking
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: around at the final as people are going into MetLife
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Stadium and saying like, hey, how much did you pay
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: for your ticket?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people don't want to answer the.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Question, but some people were just like, yeah, I paid
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: twenty grand, I paid fifty grand.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And then they would ask him what do you do
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: for work? And it was all like.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Content creators, business owners or family money. It was you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: didn't get a whole lot of like, I'm a mechanic,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I work, I'm a nurse at a hospital. It was like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you can't be there for that, and and I get it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: A World Cup final is not You don't have a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: right to go to the World Cup final, right, It's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a it's a privileged thing. It's like a super Bowl ticket.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: But I have a problem with how expensive super Bowl
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: tickets are. So you're your points well made. FIFA should
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: not get any credit for the kumbaya stuff that was
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: happening around a World Cup.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Don't fall for them trying to take credit for it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I guess as the point of also, you guys being
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: good people.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: The president of the president of FIFA, Gihonny and Fantino,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite as bad as set Bladder
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: as far as we know, but we'll see he was
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: because I can't give the guy credit.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I don't want to give someone in his position too
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: much credit. He was wearing when they came down for
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the trophy presentation. He was trying to do the cool
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: guy thing where he was wearing white tennis shoes with
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: his navy suit. But it's very clear that his stylist
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: or whoever made that decision for him, has never paired
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: tennis shoes with a suit. Because your pants have to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: be cut a little bit differently. Tennis shoes typically are
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: bulkier at the top where your pantcuff comes down. The
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: tennis shoes are typically a little bit higher up on
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: your ankle, and so if you're not wearing the right
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: cut of pant. When you do that, James, here's what happens.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: You get a bunch of bundling and bunching down at
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the bottom, and you look stupid.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Your pants look dumb.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: It looks like you're a man who makes multi millions
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a year and is wearing probably a ten thousand dollars
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: plus suit that doesn't fit well because of your stupid
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: white sneakers.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: So don't do that anymore.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Johnny Infantino, all right, I'm not all that impressed that
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you speak French, German, Italian, Arabic, English, Portuguese, and Spanish.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Did you know about that? By the way, I did
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: not know he spoke all those languages.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: He he was born in Switzerland. His parents are Italian,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and so obviously in Switzerland they speak German. He spoke
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Italian at home, he learned French in school and has
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: since also become conversational in Arabic, English, Portuguese and Spanish.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're if you grow up in Switzerland, I
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: think you kind of grow up speaking three or four
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: languages because it's partially a lot of Italian influence, partially
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of German influence, partially a lot of French influence,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: and then if you know German, you can learn English
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: fairly easily. So yeah, he he had the advantage of,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: because of where he's from and his family ancestry, being
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: able to probably speak four languages almost right away.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: But you got a terrible sense of style when it
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: comes to shoes with your suits, but not unpressed.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: You don't get credit boom roasted. All right, we got
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: to take a break.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Paul pug Meyer is going to join us on the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: other side to Talk British Open. It was a burnt
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: out course, it was wild and wooly, Bryson de Shambos
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: taking two stroke penalties and threatening to quit over it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: An eventful week went, an eventful weekend, and we'll discuss
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: it with Paul pug Meyer next on the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 1: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 5: You tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show at Cornell Show.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in Paul pug Meyer, President of First t Utah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: host of Utah Golf Radio, right here on ESPN seven
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: hundred and ninety two one FM on Saturday mornings, Friend
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: of the program and golf expert.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Hi, Paul pug Meyer, Welcome, How are.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: You, Sean? I'm good man. Hey, I want I want
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: to be friend of the program. I like that. Thank you.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, Bona Fide died in the wall, going many years back.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Friend of the program here and a guy I rely
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: on very heavily when it comes to golf, as you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: not exactly my sport.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm in Texas this weekend calling fights.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You got World Cup final and still the Open, the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: British Open, the Open Championship is making a lot of
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: noise even on the front page of things. You got
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a little controversy with Bryce into Shambo. You got a
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: wild final round ultimately Ryan Fox winning this thing. I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: want to get to that here in a second, but
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: can we talk about the two stroke penalty and the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: tantrum from Bryson to Shambo. I was very eager to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts as soon as I saw it happening
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a couple of days ago.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Wow, what a what a series of events that unfolded.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: First of all, let's let's be really clear straight up
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: in terms of a of a a referee judgment, in
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: terms of a rules official making a decision, this one
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: was simple. This one was so easy. It was an infraction.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: It was a penalty. I like bryceon Day Chambeau, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: it would have taken me about four seconds to give
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: him a penalty because he stepped in back of the
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: ball and pushed down the grass and improved the conditions
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: of his shot. We've all known since we were kids
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: you can't do that, and he knows that who knows
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: what was possessing his mind. I don't think he's a
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: guy who's trying to cheat and get away with things
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: that I would have given him a penalty in a flash.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: He was absolutely improving the conditions of his.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Shot, and he obviously, well, it seemed like he disagreed,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and he was arguing aggressively, and he threatened to you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: a vague threat to maybe not continue play over it,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and things like that, And I think that's where maybe
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: some of the other players were like, all right, come on, man,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and you know, some guys abstain from making comments. Some
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: guys did make comment about it. So you just said
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you do like bryceon to Shambeau, it feels like he's
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: not real popular on tour after this incident.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: This incident is going to take him a little bit
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: to recover from because it starts to affect the personal
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: lives of the other competitors. The way this works is,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: obviously you don't know what the pairings are, so you
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: don't know your tea time until after everybody has completed play. Well,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: they didn't have Bryson Dave Schambeau's his score. Therefore, where
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: he would be on the T sheet for this for
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: the next day until later than normal, because you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: he was contesting this penalty, So was he finishing T
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: two or was he finishing T five? And therefore who
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: would he play with? What would his T time be?
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: What that meant was that nobody could that the R
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: and A could not send out the tea times in
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: a text system that they have that all the players
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: rely on, and they're used to getting their texts telling
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: them when they play the next day and who they're
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: paired with in a certain time window, and it's just
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: it's it just happens like clockwork week in, week out,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: and this time it didn't because Bryson was throwing sand
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: in the gears. And so these guys, some of them
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: went ahead and went to bed not knowing what their
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: tea times were the next day. So you start screwing
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: with people's plans and with people running their lives. Yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: there's gonna be some bad feelings.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: How difficult is it from a gameplay perspective? After you
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: have not only a two stroke penalty, but then an
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: argument over it, and then you know, maybe like a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: little hantrum if you want to call it, dad a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: controversial kind of exit. How hard is it to just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: get back to playing good golf after something like that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it's different for every player, but
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the two strow penalties already costly enough. It feels like
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: no one's done any favors by the aftermath.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no winners out of this, that's for sure.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: You ask a really good question, and I think you've
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: already answered it. It's a little different for each player
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: how well they can bounce back from this, how well
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: they can compartmentalize the issues from the shot in front
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: of him and go about hitting the shot in front
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: of him. The top players all are very very good
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: at that, and Deve Sambo is a top player and
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: he's good at it, and so I don't think that
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: it affected him much in that way. Plus, he has
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: been playing very well lately. And he ended up not
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: having a good Sunday. Okay, there's a great many players
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: who didn't have a good Sunday, but he still was
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: playing really well. He chased that sixty eight. He touched
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: it sixty six times on Friday. The score ended up
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: being sixty eight with the penalty, but he went out
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: the next day on Saturday and shot sixty nine, he
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: still was in the mix. He's a good player and
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: he has been playing well again. Slipped with the seventy
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: two on Sunday, but I don't think it affected him
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: much at all. And the two shots, if he would
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: have stayed at the top of his game where he
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: was for the first couple of days, he would have
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: overcome that. He could have overcome that. He's just that
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: quality of a player.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Now, of course, hindsight is twenty twenty. But you're a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: man of honesty and integrity, so I know you'll answer
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: this question, Ryan Fox, Cam Young, Sam Burns, Scottie Scheffler,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Tommy Fleet. Were they obviously all played very well on
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: what was like by all accounts, a pretty burnt out
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and difficult fast course. Would I give you that list
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: of names. Were those the guys that you thought, Hey,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: this might actually, this might actually work for.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Them Scheffler and Young, Yes, Burns. I would not have
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: been surprised. I've got a good friend who was all
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: in on Sam Burns from a couple of weeks ago.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Ryan Fox, No, he was not on my radar. Now.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: The fact that he ends up being there ultimately was
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: not a terrible surprise. For one thing, the tour is
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: so deep, Holy cow. There are so many good players
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: who are any week can have a good week. Can
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: they lace together four rounds and they can win. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: if it happens to happen on a major championship week,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: that look at that, you've got a piece of history.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: You know, Andy North that only won three tournaments in
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: his PGA career. Two of them were US Opens, Orbill
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Moody only one two or three. One of them was
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: a US Open. So you can do that kind of thing.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: But no, going into this, was I looking at Ryan Fox?
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I was not.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I did have Cameron Young on my radar. I absolutely
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: had Scottie Scheffler on my radar. I was cheering for
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Tommy Fleetwood that he grew up five minutes away from
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: this golf course. This is his hometown, his childhood town.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: So some of the other names up there high on
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: the leader board. Yeah, I was looking at him, as
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: was everybody else. But anybody who says that they had
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: money on Ryan Fox coming in, they either put money
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: on everybody in the field or they're pulling your leg.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: How shocked were players by the conditions of the course
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and the fact that you know, it's not supposed to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: be hot like that in England really ever, but you
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: know this time of year, I guess if it's going
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: to be hot, it would be this time of year.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I was hanging out with some English folks for the
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: weekend and they were like, man, you don't realize we
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: don't have air conditioner in our homes.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: This is a bad deal for a lot of us.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. You know, that's a really interesting and
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: good question. These these British opens get baked out and
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: the courses get fiery. It seems like kind of on
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: a ten year cycle. It happens. And there are some
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: very famous British opens in history where they were playing
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: in course conditions very much like we saw this weekend.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: The incredible shootdown at Troon in nineteen seventy seven between
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: between Tom Watson and Jack Nicholas. Every time the ball
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: hit the fairway, it kicked up dust. It was so
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: fast and so dry and warm that year. And so
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: it happens. But it is the exception, there's no doubt
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: about it. But going into this one, everybody knew what
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: to expect. You know, the weather patterns had been what
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: they were, and everybody knew the burg Dale was baked
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: down and it was going to be running really fast,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: and it did, which made for some compelling golf.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: So where do you where do you turn your eyes
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: now after this tournament? Where like, are you focused on
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: a particular player? Is there another tournament you're like, all right,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: this one's going to really challenge the field? Where does
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Paul Pugmyer's attention shift to after the British Open?
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Well, of course, I've always got my eye on the
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Utah players on Utah Golf Radio. We call them U pots,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: which is a Utah player on tour. So you know
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: we're talking Patrick Fishburn and Zach Blair. Zax been on
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: a bit of a heater lately. He has two top
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: tens in a row going into this week. He wasn't
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: in the field at the at the Open Championship, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Zach's been playing real well. But really your attention turns
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: to the FedEx playoffs? Have they? They? The playoffs get
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: get going here and about a month and so we're
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: going to be watching who's who's the who makes the field,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: and we're going to be watching the bubble boys who
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: are trying to get into the top seventy to get
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: their cards for next year.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Paul, I always appreciate your time and your perspective when
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: you give us a little breakdown on this golf stuff.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: So thank you, and I'll remind everyone to tune into
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Utah Golf Radio on Saturday mornings right here on ESPN
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Man, thanks a lot.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: That's Paul Pugmeyer, our insider here and yes you can
• 44:29
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• 44:34
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• 44:37
  Speaker 1: more in depth dive into the British Open and everything
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: that's coming. Ann Hathaway and you and McGregor are coming
• 44:46
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• 44:49
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• 45:09
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• 45:12
  Speaker 1: just gave us he was on the Pat McAfee show.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: He's on Twitter giving us some particulars of the the
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Protect College Sports Act and the reaction of certain people
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to that, especially because SEC Media Days are happening right now.
• 45:29
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• 45:33
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• 45:36
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• 45:42
  Speaker 5: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell show for the
• 45:45
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• 45:49
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• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Alright.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: SEC Media Days every year, they usually wait till after
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: most of the other power conferences have done it.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: We know that the Big twelve likes to be first
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: to move.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe next time, wait, Brett, you or Mark, so you
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: don't announce a monster energy deal that everyone's going to
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: rag on you for. But the SEC Media Days are
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: happening right now. They do three days of it because
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: of course SEC. The college football world has kind of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: descended upon the SEC Media Days, and I think they're
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in Tampa this year and everyone's got a lot to say.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Of course, this Protect College Sports Act that is rolling
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: forward in the NCAA world has people concerned about grandfathering
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: in fifth year seniors who have now five years of
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: eligibility to play five years under the Protect College Sports Act.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Pete Thamill was just on the Pat McAfee Show and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: had some really interesting insight into the particulars of what
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: this might do for realignment. And if you're a Utah
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: football fan, you might be among the Utah football fans
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: who wish and hope and dream that this stopover in
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the Big Twelve is temporary for the Utes. I'm not
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: as optimistic as others are that that is the long
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: term plan or even the mid term plan. But according
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: to Pete Thammil, if that is in the plans for
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: teams like Utah, BYU, maybe Texas Tech, North Carolina, Miami,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: et cetera, part of the Protect College Sports Act is
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: they want to maintain regionality. Now you're several years late
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: on this because regionality no longer exists even with the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: current makeup of the Big Ten, the SEC, the Big
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Twelve goes from coast to coast. Almost the Big Ten
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: literally does go from coast to coast, So there are
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: some issues with that already, but let's just say for
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the sake of the conversation that it makes sense that
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: they're trying to protect regionality. One way that they plan
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: on doing that is by capping conference membership at nineteen teams,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: which means like a merger or a hardcore poaching doesn't
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: really happen. Big Ten already near that limit. SEC already
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: near that limit. The Big Twelve could add a couple
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: of more teams here, but you would not. I mean,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: what a lot of us have talked about is the
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: most likely outcome is that entire, you know, pod of
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the top brands in the ACC would end up most
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: likely in the SEC, and hopefully a pod of the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: top brands in the Big Twelve might end up in
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten. And Notre Dame could be part of
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that mix somewhere.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And like.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Regionally, the Big Ten makes more sense for Notre Dame
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: than the ACC does. Competitively, they're in the ACC and
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: all the other sports, and then football is an independent.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Pete Dammil reported that if you want to realign again
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: under the New College Sports Act, you have to be
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: an independent for five years. That's a steep penalty if
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you will. I'm not sure it's technically a penalty.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: But that penalty. It's a hefty penalty.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And okay, so here here's where that becomes willfully problematic.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: If you are the University of Utah. Let's say.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: That the Big Ten is like, all right, you know what,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: academically it makes perfect sense. Really we want you here, which,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: of course, is your hopeful outcome if this Protect College
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Sports Act comes into hardcore, unchallengeable law. And again, the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: whole point of it is to create federal mandates, federal law,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: federal legislation that supersedes all the state stuff that has
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: caused a bunch of these problems in college sports. If
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: it comes and this maintains that this is part of
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: this clause stays in there, then you're just like, okay, Utah,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: you can go, but you have to be an independent
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: for five years. Utah Athletics without a television revenue distribution
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: from the Big Twelve Conference for five years is deep
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: in the red. I'm not gonna sit here and tell
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: you that they wouldn't they become insolvment. But like you're
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: cutting programs, UTA Athletics is struggling through.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: That beautiful new.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Baseball facility suddenly looks crazy expensive. Whatever hope you had
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: for anything on the Huntsman Center. Put that to the
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: wayside for another five years. I mean, this is heavily punitive.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: There are teams that could do it right. SMU just
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: showed the ACC that they can, will and are willing
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: They're doing it right now.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: They're just like, we're effectively financially and independent or part
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: of your conference, but you're not giving us any the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: money from your conference. So we get to compete and
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: we get to enjoy some of that like association, but
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: we're just a kid at the popular table that is
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: hosting all the pool parties, Like we're bringing everything that
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: we have to the table and you're giving us nothing
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: in return. Texas Tech could handle it because Cody Campbell
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: would keep writing the checks for five years. If they
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: got invited to the SEC or the Big ten or whatever,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: He'd be like, fine, we're independent for five years. And
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: your athletic director would wind and complain that they have
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: to make a schedule, and your fans would wind and
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: complain that that schedule come October November would suck like
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: we saw with BYU for a while. Right, But you
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: could do it. You could maintain it for five years.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: B why you could do it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: They just did it for longer than Bee. Why you
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: did it for a decade? Yeah?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And b why you would just be like Tom, Homo,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: we need you. Brian Santiago would be like, Tom, remind me,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: like schedulings are, just remind me how you did all
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: this again?
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: And whether you like it or not, BYU has enough
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: LDS fans scattered throughout the country that ESPN or the
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: CW or somebody would be like, yeah, we'll give your
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: own little mini television deal. It's not gonna be anywhere
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: near what you need to keep up with the big
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: conference teams, but we'll give you a little something. Yeah,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: well we'll sprinkle something on here. You'll get ten, twelve,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars a year. Now, Utah could try to
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: do that, but Utah's number would not be as big
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: and it would be really, really difficult. Would it be
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: worth it to go independent for five years to end
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: up in the Big ten eight seven, seven, three five
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: three zero seven hundred. Would you be willing to lose
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Utah softball to use Utah swimming and diving to use
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: lose Utah fill in the blank on whatever sport you
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: think gets sacrificed. Gymnastics is gonna stay because it's a
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: national Football is gonna stay because it's the revenue driver
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: for everything. Basketball, both men's and women's you have to
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: keep because of the same thing with football. To a
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: lesser extent, baseball, softball, women's.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Track and field.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: We don't have a men's track and field team at
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the University of Utah. Everything is up for discussion at
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: that point. Volleyball love you love volleyball. Love volleyball athletes
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: like it's a great sport. It's something I think my
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: at least my oldest daughter is probably gonna get into
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: sooner than later because she's so dang tall. Like all
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: of that, if you're willing to suffer for five years,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: you gotta start squeezing at some point, and you don't
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: want to. We just spoke with Mark Carlan down to
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: immedia days and he's like, we've added a bunch of scholarships.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: People don't talk about this.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: We've added a bunch of scholarships across the board in
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: the athletic department because it's no longer scholarship limits, it's
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: roster sizes and in instead of getting rid of teams.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: They've gone up to the level where you need.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: They've added scholarships and now you can split scholarships up
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: and things like that. Geez, if you want to move
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: under this new act, if you want to move from
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: one conference to another, and they're trying to prevent realignment,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: they'd want realignment to not happen. They're saying, yeah, you
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: got to be an independent for five years, and would you,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: as a Utah fan, what is that a jagged, bitter
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: pill that you would swallow?
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: So let's say it happens.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six is already in the books, right, Let's
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: say spring of twenty twenty seven, Oregon and Washington get
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: together and convince the rest of the because USC is
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: not going to help you out. They convince the rest
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: of the Big Ten that Utah is a great partner
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: to have.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Let's invite them to the Big Ten.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Are you willing to go from twenty twenty six, Well,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: we'll say twenty twenty eight, because you're not going to
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: make a decision in twenty twenty seven that happens for
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. Would you be willing to go from
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight to twenty thirty three as an independent,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: and would you be willing to head into the Big
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: ten eventually just hanging on by your fingernails from a
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: revenue and a financial standpoint, knowing that the life raft
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: is there in twenty thirty three, knowing that if you
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: can get to that finish line after five years of
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: independence under this rule set, you would have one hundred
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: million dollars a year coming in plus. I mean, I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: still think there's a lot of Utah fans that would
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: take that risk. I still think there's a lot of
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: BYU fans that would take that risk. I still think
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of Colorado fans that would be like, yes,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: let's do it. I think Arizona State would be like, fine,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: we'll do it. Get rid of the hockey team, no
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: matter how good they are, get rid of the wrestling team,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: no matter how good they are. Just keep us afloat
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: until we can get to Big ten island. That's the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: rule proposed in this same College Sports Act.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Protect College Sports Act is what it's called the one
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: one distinction they made this is that five years of
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: independence is for power four teams, moving conferences, the group
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: of five, six, whatever you want to call it. Now
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: those schools can immediately join. They don't care.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: You know why they didn't do that that, You know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: you know why they didn't make a rule, a punitive
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: rule about that because they know it's not going to happen.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: But I mean, Utah State fans, you're not gonna have
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: to worry about this if you ever get a Big
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: twelve invite or something in the future.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: And of course, if this goes through anyway, of.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Course, if Texas Tech did leave, or if Utah, Colorado,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Arizona State b YU, if any if any Big twelve
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: team did leave, if any ACC team did leave willing
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: to suffer through that five years of dependence, if it
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: was enforceable what you always have to say. Now, then
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: then the elevation happens. Then the Big twelve comes calling
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: for UNLV or Utestate or whoever and says, hey, join us,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: jump on board, and then you're happy you don't have
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: to do that. But man, that is you want to
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: talk about a well designed policy which no one in
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the and the reason we're talking about it because the
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: SEC is like, no, we do not support this Protect
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: College Sports Act.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, I don't think any power for conference is
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: going to especially with the with these new this new
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: focus is how is how Pete Thamill has framed it
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: on team limits for conferences and this punitive five years
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: of independence requirement for if you're transferring conferences from if
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: you're already a power for school. I don't think any
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: of them references. We won't see Brett or Mark come
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: out and say, yeah, we're still on board with this.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not okay.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: So let's say let's say the Protect College Sports Act
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: fully executed right, rubber stamped, ironclad, no litigation can break it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: It's federal law. Okay.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: We get to December of twenty twenty six, and it's like,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: this is how things are done here. And this is
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: a good question that comes in from Spencer on the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: text line, if BYU moves to the Big Ten, because
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: they could figure out a way to afford it, Let's
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: not say it any other way. If they move to
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, which is in and of itself a
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: massive question because of the academic stuff, but I'll go
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: along with the scenario, does Utah feel the pressure to follow?
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: The answer is an absolute emphatic yes, does it. Neither
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: of these schools are ever going to let the the
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: other one leave them behind again. It will not happen
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: from now until when our ai overlords create Terminator Doomsday
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: and murder us. All now until the end of time,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: BYU and UTAH will aggressively work to maintain, at least
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: on paper equality in the sports world. If BYU makes
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: a move, then Utah will follow, and vice versus. One
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: hundred percent true if Utah, if the Big Ten comes
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: calling to Utah and says, look, we can only add
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: eighteen because we're already near the max capacity under this
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Protect College Sports Act, we wanted it to be Notre Dame.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame is really stubborn. You're our next choice. We
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: want you, guys. Are you gonna come? Utah is saying yes,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and the Big Ten is going how are you gonna
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: pay for it? And then Utah goes, well, I'm glad
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: you asked, because we became the first team, and a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: lot the first university, and a lot of people made
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: fun of us for it, and a lot of people
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: questioned whether it was a good idea. We became the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: first university to partner with a private equity firm to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: sell some of our athletic department off to private equity
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: in order to create new revenue streams in order to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: keep up with these joneses. And now that we know
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: that there's a bridge, a direct one that can get
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: us from here to there, they're going to keep us
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: afloat until that big ten pay day comes in. And
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: then suddenly Crimson Brand Partner's Ultro Capital looks like the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: life raft that it was promised. And so maybe all
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: of us have been sitting out here playing checkers while
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: President Randall, Mark Harlin, and Ultro Capitol were playing chess,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: realizing that this was the eventuality that teams like Utah,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: teams like BYU, teams like Colorado, teams like North Carolina
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: are at some point going to need a bridge loan
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: effectively to get you and your athletic department from point
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: A to point B. Maybe I'm giving too much credit,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: because how could you anticipate that. Also, this is not
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: rubber stamp just yet, and it feels like there's gonna
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: be enough resistance to it that that five years might
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: go down to like zero, or maybe they meet in
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the middle and it's two years or three years, But
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: it would be the wildest roll of the dice to say, yes,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: we can get from here to there, and it'd be
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: worth it because the big I mean, but then imagine
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: how far behind though then you would be when you
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: got to the Big ten. You would be like you'd
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: be Maryland for a while.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: It would be cil A with the what we what
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: we've heard about their their bottom line and their athletic department.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: This money is like helping them break even basically getting
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: from the Big ten if.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: You believe the reporting, and there's no reason not to.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: The U S do you athletic department was like one
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in the hole when they were in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: the Pac twelve and everyone just like, yeah, but now
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: we're going to the Big ten, so we'll be all right.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: And and eventually they will be all right, but it's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: gonna take a bunch of time.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that that's a pretty good analogy
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: for a school like Utah that would have to suffer.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: This would be five year five years of independence for
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: a Power four team moving to another powerfour conference. I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: don't think that that if and when the Protect College
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Sports Act gets passed into federal law, and like you said,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: stands up to all the inevitable challenges in court, all
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: the way up to the Supreme Court. I don't believe
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: that the final that the final draft of the bill
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: of the law will will have this five five years
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: of independence ruling it. But it may have, like you said,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: a couple of years. I mean, I think that would
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: be interesting. I think that that would help honest ability
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: in college sports. And honestly, the bigger concern for me,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: if I'm talking, is capping them at nineteen teams. That's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: that's one where I'm just like, no man like, because
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: if it's nineteen teams in the SEC and nineteen teams
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: in the Big Ten, Utah does not get the invite. No,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: there's that's four teams left combined, three in the SEC,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: one in the Big Ten. Yeah, Utah's probably Utah BYU.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Name a local school name, name a regionally near US school.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: They're probably not getting.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: In, well, because I could tell you who does. It's
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Miami, North Carolina.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Duke, yeah, or Florida State instead of one of those, yeah,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: instead of maybe that, instead of Duke or whatever. Yeah,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: there's there's You're right, there's like five schools and Utah
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: BYU are probably the next closer to ten.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: It's like the next crop would be yeah, Texas Tech,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech because they got so much dang money.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: And again, this is where the next round of realignment,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: when it happens, It's not if when it happens. You
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: remember the last one when we were just like, oh man,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: it's a television market size and stuff like that. Now
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna matter to these people anymore.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I think that the main driver of the last rounds
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: of realignment talking about well, how many television sets can
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: you bring to my conference? How large is your population
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: base and all that kind of stuff. I think next
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: time they're just gonna be like, dude, what's your endowment?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: How much money you got?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what what kind of nil? How much money you
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: got in your collective? Isn't really a thing anymore, but
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: in your collective, That's that's what's gonna drive this.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with you.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Kansas would be one of the big twelve teams in
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: that next tier.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I'm also not convinced that and it won't happen anytime soon.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: But I'm also not convinced that if and when realignment
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: happens again in college football, that just being on the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: right side of the line now means that you stay
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: on the right side of the line. I think that
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: there are going to be some universities that are just
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: they kind of get pushed out right because of.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: The same thing.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: And that again is where we maybe have to give
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit more wait and see kind of credit
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: to Crimson Brand partners and a private equity deal, because
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: you know who's looking at it now. You know who
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the latest school that is rumored to be exploring a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: private equity and individual private equity partnership is right now.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Have you seen this? It's LSU.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: And you look at LSU and you're just like, why
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: does LSU need that? I'll tell you why LSU needs
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that Because LSU is expected to be a national championship
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: contender every single year. And LSU has a backyard full
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: of five star recruits, and LSU has a trophy case
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: full of all these great things. But LSU does not
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: have the same donor base that Texas Tech does. Right now,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: it's a good one, but LSU is not the big
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: money school that A and M is, that Texas Tech is,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: that Alabama is, that Miami is. They're just not, And
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a geographic thing. I don't
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: know if it's like I I'm not deep enough into
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: it to know exactly why. But they don't have the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: alumni base that BYU's got from a spending standpoint, and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: they're LSU. They're supposed to be in that conversation every
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: single year. So they're now talking about a private equity
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: partnership potentially.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: So you're saying that Lane Kiffin he left ole Miss
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: to go to a school that he said they're just
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: better set up to win. We'll never never Ole Miss
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: is never gonna be that. So what does that make
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: ole Miss? If if LSU is actually not financially as
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: set up to win as.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Well as we would have thought before.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Right, they're definitely more set up to win than ole Miss.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's just wild that that that that was the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: rationale that Lane Kevin gave us, and now we're now
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: it's coming out that, oh, actually we're behind a lot
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: of the schools. You would think that we would we.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Were right up with I desperately by the way we
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: got I know we're way overdue for a break here,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: but I desperately want to the governor of Louisiana has
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: planned a donor meeting. LSU's like top forty to fifty
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: donors are being invited to the Governor's mansion for a summit,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: for a meeting about how to like make sure that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: LSU athletics. And there's a lot of people out there
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: are saying like, this is where private equity is going
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: to be proposed, and this is what's going to.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Be talked about.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: And a couple of the articles I've read it's like, hey,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: there's going to be seats on a board that they're
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: offered to sell.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: And where do we hear that kind of thing before?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Right, So I don't know what's going to come through
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: there and what's not, But man, how cool would it
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: be to get like a Colonel Sanders costume and like
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: somehow smuggle and invite forge yourself an invitation and just
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: be at that governor's mansion.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: People are like, who are you, sir?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I'm my name is yu Juvenia a doubt file, and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I'm my thing here. I'm a poultry magnate from Arkansas.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: They'd be like, what, No, that's the Tyson family. No,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: I'm their number one competitive It'd be great to somehow
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: find your way into this meeting and figure out exactly
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: what's going on behind the closed doors of like this
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: secret not so secret governor's mansioned financial summit happening in
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: favor of LSU Athletics.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: I nominate you as our Colonel Sanders costume guy for
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: that meeting.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: You could be pretty convincing, James.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I can do that, uh
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: that that amazing accent.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe it'd be like that scene from Inglorious Bastards where
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Brad Pitt has to go undercover and he just can't talk,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there it be more mysterious.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Not saying much.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: I'll do some. I'll do work on a bit. I'll
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: do the little bit of sign language I still know.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Work on some expressive faces, little Lionel MESSI, yeah, one
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: of those.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: All right, we got to take a break. We're way
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: over time here.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: How much does a favorite athletes post career behavior affect
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: your status as a fan. We have to talk about that,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: because Tom Brady, what are you doing? It's a Sean
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: O'Connell show on ESPN seven ninety two one FM.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: It's not Sean O'Connell show. You were home of the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: best inside of your hues.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to OC.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: From the Murder Chevrolet studio of the ESPN seven ninety
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: two one FM.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: ESPN seven h ninety two one FM. How much does
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: somebody's post career behavior path, whatever you want to call it,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: effect how much you're a fan of theirs overall? Right,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I've kind of been one of these people that, for
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: the most part, like Jerry Rice was my favorite forty
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: nine or my favorite overall football player for my entire life.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: And Jerry Rice after his career was over.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the end of his career was kind of terrible, right,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: and I sort of ignored it, like a lot of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: With the Michael Jordan Wizard's years.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Even though he was still a really excellent basketball player,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: it just wasn't up to his standard, right, So I like,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I like throughout the Seahawks, Broncos, even the Raiders years
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: when Jerry was really really good still.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was still really good, yeah, and was part
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: of a Super Bowl team with those Raiders.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know what, like, maybe I'll consider
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: the Raiders year years, but the rest of it like
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Jerry Rice is my favorite Niner, He's my favorite football player.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna remember him that way, and pre
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: social media, you could do this very effectively. Unless a
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: guy went into coaching, or unless a guy went into
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: analyst work, your.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Favorite athlete disappeared.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, Patrick Willis kind of my favorite model San Francisco
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: forty nine er, unbelievable, multi time All Pro linebacker retires
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: relatively early because he's got chronic problems with his feet.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: You have not seen or heard of Patrick Willis basically,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: since he's an old school guy, he's fishing.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: That's what he does in his retirement.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe we'll see him circle back into orbit sometime,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: but I don't know.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: So, Like, I am lucky enough.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I am blessed by the fact that this person I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: was a massive fan of has given me no reason
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: to be anything but a massive fan of that person.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady is screwing up right now. Tom Brady's legacy in.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: The NFL.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Ultimate Winner, Ultimate Super Bowl Champion goat quarterback right, people
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: focused on that, even when it might have been a
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: little bit more fair to focus on that.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: There was some evidence that.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: He was kind of a crap dude, But we focused
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: on that because he's Tom Brady, he's Patriots quarterback.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: It's a dynasty, it's whatever. Right.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, because social media exists, and because
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: of how he came back to play that final year
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: and the circumstances with which it basically destroyed his family,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of like, oh man, Tom, yikes.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: But even then people are just like, I get it.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: You know, He's just a football god and that's what
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: he is. And Tom, instead of fading into obscurity it's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: not his way, he signs this obnoxious contract to become
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: a lead analyst, right, and then the criticism of are
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: you really that good at it? Okay, in year two
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: he actually got a lot better, so maybe he is
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: really that good at it?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Now Tom Brady is jumped the shark is probably the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: best way to put it. Okay, he is happy days.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: He is the fawns on a motorcycle jumping a shark.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady not happy with the TB twelve. Tom Brady
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: not happy enough, not satisfied being a lead analyst, getting
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars a year to do a job
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: that two years ago he had never once done before
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady has decided he needs to be involved with
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: the WWE. It feels very much beneath his status as
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: the all time greatest quarterback in the NFL, a guy
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: who's considered to be that. It feels very much like
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: slumming it in the WWE to me doing these public
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: fake feuds the logan PAULA. Getting involved with the Paul
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: brothers at all is while a great way to make money,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: and if you can, if you need to, like, don't
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: get me wrong, I'm not above it. If Jake Paul
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: wants me to announce on his fight cards, I'll do it.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: If Jake Paul wants to fight me, I'll do it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I will sell myself to make the five or whatever
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: ten million dollars that comes from something like that.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady doesn't have to do that. I do.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: If I want that beach house in Hawaii that I've
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: always been dreaming of, I need that. Tom Brady can
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: already buy a hundred of them. And it makes no
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: sense to me that Tom Brady. You saw this, right,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady and logan Paul slap slap like and then
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: he raises himself up out of a coffin at WW
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: over the weekend.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you're Tom bleeping Brady.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Well, the other thing about it is he doesn't even
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: there's two reasons you do that sort of thing. Oh see,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: you either need the money or you need the attention.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: He doesn't need the attention either.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: You know what, He does need the attention. That's the problem,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: and he's getting abdoptively.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: He's already getting a ton of attention though, but you know,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: internally he probably feels like he needs more.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady for a lot of years, acted like painting
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: this picture of he was like he was the dude
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: that was driven by competition and driven by football, and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: he wanted to be the ultimate winner. His entire brand
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: was built on that. Not I love being famous, not
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I love the big paychecks. I'll defer my salary to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: make it as signing bonus or whatever to help the
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: team around me. I will be the ultimate winner. Right,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: that's his whole brand, that's his whole thing. I will
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: eat avocados and nothing else for twenty years so I
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: can be the ultimate winner. And we all respected that,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: even those of us who hated that kind of learned
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: to respect, Like Holy cow as a as an athlete.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: This dude is above reproach. This dude will do whatever
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: it takes. And I don't think any of this changes that.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: But it's kind of like Icky, It's just like, Oh, Tom,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: you just want you just want to be famous, and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: being famous for being Tom Brady is apparently not enough.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: You want to be famous, Like the camera always on you,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: people always talking about you. Maybe you feel some weird
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: insecurity now because the tabloids keep showing pictures of your
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: ex wife and the new baby. I don't know, but
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, why are you doing this, Tom Brady? I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: would say the same thing if it were Jerry Rice
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: in the WWE. I didn't like something like he spent
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of years kind of doing weird stuff, making
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: weird appearances, and I was like, what are you doing?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: You're Jerry Rice. You might be the greatest.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Overall football player the NFL has ever seen to that point,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: what are you doing?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: If Aaron Donald comes out of retirement plays, We're gonna
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: be like awesome. If Aaron Donald being relatively quiet the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: last couple of years, If Aaron Donald decides he wants
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: to go on the real world road rules survive or
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: something like that. We're gonna be like, what are you doing?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Don't do this? And I get it, that's unfair. They're adults.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: They should be able to do whatever they want. But
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: it feels so oh like it's eye opening, is probably
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: the best way to put it. Because I was wrong
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: about Tom Brady. I thought Tom Brady's whole thing was
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: he just wants to win at the highest level and
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: fame is a byproduct, and fame is something that he
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: will suffer through and deal with because he cares about
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: winning that much. Now the fame is something that Tom
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Brady loves, or at the very least, he feels.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: He's felt the void of not being the greatest quarterback
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: in the league. Now he's felt that void of fame,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: and now he's feeling like, Okay, I gotta even though
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: he's on every Fox broadcast and he's on every Fox
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: promo during football season, he's still getting all that football
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: fame from that. Maybe it's just it's like, Okay, I
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: didn't really I didn't necessarily care for that as a player,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: but now.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: I'm missing it.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: And so he's doing stupid stuff like this, like I, yeah,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. It's beneath it seems beneath him,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: and neither of us are are wrestling fans, So that's
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: part of it too.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: We have a hard time, we have a hard time
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: understanding why anyone wants to debase themselves in that way,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: but especially a guy like Tom Brady.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I understand why, like Floyd Mayweather keeps doing
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: these dumb exhibition boxing matches against random celebrities because he
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: has spent all of his money and he's got ten
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: baby mamas and like there's all these problems, right, I
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: understand why, like Johnny Knoxville will forever keep making jackass movies.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: We've now had like four in a row. Under the
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: last the last ride, the last one.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: It's like kiss keeps going on farewell tours, you know
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: what I mean. I understand why that happens. These guys
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: need it. They need the money, they need to keep
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: doing it or whatever, the fame, they need the attention whatever.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I never thought that this was. I never thought that
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: that was going to be the Tom Brady thing. I
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: thought we were going to get a dignified end to
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady the football player, and we're getting, like if
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: this is how he wants the role cool.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: It is undignified.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it you lose a lot of respect from even
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: the people that you described, the you and ies of
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: the world that always rooted against him sports hated him,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: but but grudgingly went You can't can't you can't not
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: admire what he's done. You can't go that guy's not
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: the greatest quarterback ever, Like you have to at least
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: give him that kind of respect, even if you hated
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: the Patriots.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: It's kind of losing a lot of that. It's like
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Yeah, Tom Brady and Michael Jordan. For me,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: the same sports fan relationship with those those two, right,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: begrudging admiration of their ability to win, even though it
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: stopped teams I wanted to win from achieving greatness.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: So you hated him for that reason.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: So you hate him for that reason, but you just
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: you come around to the fact of admiration, just like
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, and Michael Jordan despite owning one of
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: the biggest brands in America or being a part owner,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I guess, one of the biggest brands in America, and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: despite the fact that he is when he feels like
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: it visible even on like the NASCAR scene and things
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: like that. Despite you know, him getting involved in many
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: business operations, being an owner in the NBA now selling
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: and things like that, he has maintained the mystique of
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, right, not because he hides in his a hermit,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: but the mystique of mj is still there.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: The goat status is still there.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: He doesn't weigh in all that often on like the
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Lebron James stuff. When he does, he's just like, yeah, okay,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: well it's me but whatever, you know what I mean.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: He doesn't.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: He could at any time make a phone call and
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Kenny Smith's off the desk, right yeah you and you
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: chuck and shack next to Ernie like it's over for Kenny.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: If Michael Jordan wants to do that, as he doesn't.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: If he did, that would be like at least basketball
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: centric and probably would allow him to maintain. But if
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan came out and was just like, Okay, I'm
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: gonna be I'm gonna go on a bunch of like
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: dumb game shows, you'd be like, what are you doing,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan? Wwwwe circuit even even like the.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor this year is Michael Jordan.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: Even like what even if he a lot more legitimate now,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: especially uh even if he was like I'm gonna be
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: the ringside announcer for every UFC fight, we'd we'd kind
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: of look at that and be like, like, why what do
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: you You don't need to do that, Michael Jordan.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: And that's how this feels for Tom.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: How it feels for Tom Brady, Like mj has maintained
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: his mistique. Joe Montana has maintained his mystique absolutely even
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: after Joe Montana. This was before my time, but I've
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: heard the stories after he was a failed Was he
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: a studio analyst in the nineties, he was a a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: by all accounts, an awful uh NFL analyst by a
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: lot of people surprised because he was Joe Montana, Joe cool, right, Like,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: of course he's gonna be great on TV.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: He wasn't, and.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: Yet he's still maintained the cool Joe Montana thing.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Tom, you're losing it, man, and you don't have to.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: You could just stop slapping Logan Paul on camera and
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: then you get to go back to being like, dude,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: that's the goat, that's the all time greatest quarterback.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Just do what the the Fox NFL promos are saying
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: that you're doing, which is grinding tape all the time
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: to conquer the next frontier of being the greatest color
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: analyst of all time. Because because that's what you're about.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: You're just about winning everything that you do this WWE.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: And like you said, slapping Logan Paul in the face
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: publicly at Fanatics Fest, like that takes away from that.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: That is something beyond I just care about winning that.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: That's I'm screaming for attention and it's not a good look.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: All right, Gotta take a break here.
• 1:24:28
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• 1:24:46
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to get too far into politics on this show,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: but this is an amazing story.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Argentina.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Of course, in the World Cup Final yesterday at Medlife
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Stadium and New York, New Jersey Stadium, President Trump was there,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: of course, Premier of Canada there, President of Mexico there,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: host nations, top political figures.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: All on the dais handing out medals and shaking hands. Yeah.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Uh, the King of Spain or whatever. There Argentina's president
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: not in the building.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Did you know this?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that Argentina's president chose not to attend
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: the World Cup final where his beloved Argentine soccer side
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: could have taken back to back World Cup trophies home.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Do you know why he chose not to go?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: To prior conflict of super superstitious.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: He's a real sports fan, and he's like, I'm not.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Going every time I'm so it's like every time I
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: go to a game, they lose situation.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: He watches the games in the same spot in his house,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: wearing the same thing. Okay, he had a jacket that
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: he was wearing when Argentina was playing against Switzerland. He
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: took it off and Switzerland immediately scored a goal.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: He put the jacket back on.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: It's like, nope, he can't get one hundred degrees in
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: my house, but I have to have this jacket on.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: If this is the president of your country, you want
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: him to worry about the bigger fish, but he's not.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: His decisions make no difference in my life because I'm
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: not in Argentine, but I respect the heck out of
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: this because this is a politician who's not being a
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: performative sports fan.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: He is a real sports fan.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Of course. He can get on the government charter. He
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: can fly whatever they call it down there. They're equivalent
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: of air course.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: One, Argentina one.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: He can go to New York. He can get a
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: limo to the game. He can sit in a box.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: He could be on the field pre game, he could
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: be on the field hugging the crying players after game.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: He's the president of Argentina, for hell's sake.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: But he's such a sports fan and he's just like, no, man,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want any bad juju just because I decided
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: I had to be there. I'm doing the same thing
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: that gives them good luck all the way through this tournament.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: So he watched it at his house wearing his lucky jackets,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: and unfortunately it didn't work out. But I love that
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: from an actual sports fan politician.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: Did he move over six inches from his lucky spot?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: When when they got when they when what's his face?
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: Got the second yellow? And they went a man down?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: As that was probably the mains fault whoever cleaned up
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: probably vacuum up the lucky crumbs off his lucky chair
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: I love this too, oc This is this is incredible.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: That there's someone who who actually has real power is
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: just like the rest of us.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Here's what I want.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, if you're going to be a politician and you're
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: not the sports fan politician, fine, I'm okay with that.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: It's probably actually better that you don't spend your time,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: like three hours on a Sunday watching your favorite NFL team.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: It's probably better that you don't spend three hours on
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: a Saturday watching your favorite college football team. You probably
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: should be handling things that actually are relevant to government life.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: But if you're going to pretend for the sake of
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: your constituency, if you're going to act like you're a
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: sports fan so that you appeal to the everyman and
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: the voter, I want someone immediately. I want there to
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: be a verification process.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Right. If you're the governor of somewhere and you're just like.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to the jazz game tonight, I'm really excited.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: You know me, I'm just like you. I live and
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: by the way, Utadh jazz. You know it's God. I
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: want someone immediately to be like, all right, who's you
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: favorite play? What number does you wear? What do stats
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: look like? What college do you go to? I want
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I want someone like gatekeeping you want on politicians.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: I want a mansplain.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Hey, you better know exactly what you're talking about with sports,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: or don't pretend you're a politician sports fan?
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: What's your what's your game day routine? Yeah? I want that?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Are you superstitious?
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want gatekeeping done for any other fan in
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: any other situation, But if you're gonna weaponize your fandom
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: to try to get votes, you better be a real
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: fan buddy, right. And that goes for everyone that goes
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: for our president. That goes for everyone, Like, hey, you.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: Think you need to be here giving out medals? Name
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: one player?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Like what if you can't go, don't be here.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: Mexico's President's gonna gonna hand out the medals, Like.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: I want that.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: You know, same thing when owners are the first guys
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: that get to touch the trophy.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just no, no, no, no no.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: You don't get to touch that Super Bowl trophy unless
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: you can tell me who the leading rusher in today's
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: game was hockey?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Does it? Hockey? Does it?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: Way better than everybody else in the in the North
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: American sports I've learned in the past couple of years.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: The owner is not the first one to touch the
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: Stanley Cup.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but did you see what happened with the Stanley Cup.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: So the Carolina Hurricanes owner is this famously cheap Portland
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Trailblazer's owner. Now, yeah, what's his name, Jed Laurie. No, No,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: that's that's the A's guy. He put Tom Dundan, is that, Yeah,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: that's it, the.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Guy who the guy who killed the Alliance of American
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: Football too.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: But anyway, yes, so and the Salt Lakes Stallions. Because
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: he's the owner of the Carolina Hurricanes and they won
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: the Cup this year. If you look at you know,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: it's like it's like a cake. If you look at
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: the layer of the cake where the Caroline Hurricanes are,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: his name, his wife's name, and the names of all
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: of his children are there on the cup in front of.
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  Speaker 2: The players who actually won the Cup. Is that the
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: first time that's happened. Nobody's ever put their kids' names
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: on it before.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: I just he just wanted his whole he wanted the
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: whole family's name on the Stanley Cup.
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  Speaker 2: That's dumb.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: That's dumb that they let him do that too. Like
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: you know what, mister Dundan, thank you for your input,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: but this is for team personnel.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: I want again, if you're a non sport, if you're
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: a theater kid, politician, I'm totally fine with that.
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  Speaker 2: All right, you can. You could pretend somewhere else. I
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: don't need you.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: To pretend like you're a sports fan, but if you're
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: going to, I want verification. I want someone to be
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: all up in your business, being like, oh, you're big
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: uta fan. Huh Who do you think is going to
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: start a quarterback this year?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: Uh? Uh No.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: The first question you're asking is who is head coach?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: And then when he starts to say, well, that's easy,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham, you go, no, you're.
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  Speaker 2: Not a real fan.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Wrong, you've been leaning on the last twenty one years
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: to get that answer. Actually, quarterbacks probably too easy, But
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: question you gotta be like, dude, who do you think
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: is going to start on the offensive line? Give me two,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Give me two of the five names starting punter go
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: You're just like, ah, no, I think Spencer Cox is
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: like an actual sports fan. I need someone to verify.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: I need someone to do that super annoying thing that
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: guys always do on dates when they're when the girl
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: is just like, oh my gosh, I love I love
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors. Oh really, and they do that
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: thing like, let me let me test you, let me
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: gate keep on this. I want that's not appropriate on
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: a date. That is appropriate when we're talking about politicians
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: we've had. Can we get on board with this? Argentina's
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: president passes that test? Will our will our president pass
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: that test?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: I'm doubtful.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: Uh, Spencer Cox, Governor Cox, he's been on the station
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: a number of times. We need to we need to
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: get him back in studio and we can.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: You can do this. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: If you're listening, we're gonna be You're gonna get an email.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Soon and guess what you have it You are forewarned. Okay,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: So now we we've given him study material.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: And it's absolutely no disrespect you have. We're having a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: good time with this. Just just we want to see
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: if you're a real sports.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Fan, and if not, just don't talk about sports talk
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: about the budget.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: You're not allowed to talk about sports.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: You're not allowed, Okay, And I guess I am now
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: being problematic because I should not be able to.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Dictate who gets to talk about what. But here we are, here,
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  Speaker 2: we are. I love this.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah we Who would have thought that a leader
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: of a country has a lucky jacket and a lucky
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: spot And to the point where when I've taken it off,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: the other team scored, I can't ever take that thing off.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: You can buy grass from the World Cup final and
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of the World Cup stadiums on the official
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: FIFA Memorabilia website. They're selling I think most of them
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: that I saw. It was like five hundred dollars for
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: a chunk of grass.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: And it comes in a little case and you probably
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: got to treat it like a terrarium occasionally keep get
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: some water in.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: Their certificate of authentication with I have those.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because every NFL player that plays in
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: these stadiums is longingly watching the grass and be like.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Hey, could you just leave this in here?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: You know what, all buy the grass and we'll just
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: keep it in the stadium.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: I really believe that the next NFL collective bargaining agreement,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: especially after this world up, is going to have playing
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: surface as a major point of emphasis, and NFL players,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: right or wrong, are going to insist on playing natural grass.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: And the NFL owners who have been like absolutely not
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: because it's a cost problem, can reach into their multi
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: billion dollar pocketbooks and eventually, you know, pay for grass
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: if that's what the players actually want. Now, I've been
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: on record to say I think it's actually probably a
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: little bit silly for players to act like grass is
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: always every minute better than even turf is. Turf is
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: a lot better than it used to be. This is
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: not like the astro turf carpet of the old days.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: Field Turf is a relatively forgiving surface in a lot
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: of ways, but it's a preference thing for players. The
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: science is that injuries happen in football because football is
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: a violent game, and they actually don't occur at any
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: kind of higher rate on turf than on grass. There's
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: also the problem that we are comparing turf to perfect
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: conditions grass in almost every single case. When grass, when
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: natural grass is on a field, and that grass is sodden, loose, muddy, whatever.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Now we're talking about an exponential increase in risk for
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: these football games. So when at seventy seven degrees in
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: East Rutherford, New Jersey, and the grass is perfectly green
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: and delightful.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: When they're they're turning on the sprinklers at every hydration break.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: You notice that in the World Cup, right like they did.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: They did that at oursel the other night too. That's
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: a soccer thing, I guess. I guess, so, which is great,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: keeps the grass in the best condition possible, But like
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: that's not happening in NFL games.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: And so that's that's what I mean here, right, Like
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: there are NFL teams who have gone to great lengths
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: in Arizona. They have that retractable feel where it goes
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: onto like the palette and then the palette exits the
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: stadium and can grow out there and you can close
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: the stadium and keep it cool in the stadium.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: Then you can roll the grass back in. It's expensive,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: it's crazy, right, but that's that's what you do, right.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was. Was it the Burnabau in Spain?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: They did like an underground It's like you know how
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: they have those platforms on stages where the artist will
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: come up from underneath the stage and suddenly Michael Jackson
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: is standing there and rises up through a hole in
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: the stage. Yeah, they did that. I think it was
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: the Burnabow. They did that for an entire soccer field.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: They could lower it down underneath. There's like hydraulic things, right,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: there's the floor that closed over and there was grass, grow, lights, everything,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: perfect conditions underneath. And then when it was time they'd
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: be like boot and they would raise it up out
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: of the ground to install in the stadium.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: And like that costs a billion dollars or whatever.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: But because that kind of money comes in for the NFL,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: that kind of money comes in for international soccer, comes
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: in for European soccer. The soccer players demand it. They're like, yeah,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: that's you're gonna do that. We're gonna have perfect grass
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: on every field at this level, at the premiership level,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: at the Champions League level, We're going to have a
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: perfect surface. In the NFL. The players are watching it.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: George Kittle was tweeting about it. A bunch of like
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: wide receivers and defensive backs were tweeting about it. They're
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: just like, why are you getting rid of the grass?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: FIFA put in this grass for you and you just
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: don't want to pay to have to maintain it. Why
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: are you getting rid of the grass NFL teams, A
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: lot of the players want it. I think it's going
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: to be a big thing in the next collective bargaining agreement.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: Other news from SEC media days, Greg Sankei.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: He did.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: He was asked, of course, about breaking away the SEC
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: potentially breaking away from the rest of college football, breaking
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: away from the current NCAA system if they don't get
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: their way on this Protect College Sports Act, which is
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: heavily in doubt, if they don't get the kind of
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: concessions they want on things like conference realignment, the kind
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: of concessions they want on a federal oversight to keep
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: the playing field relatively level, would you break away? Would
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: the SEC can consider breaking away or is that just
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: a threat for leverage? And his insistence, of course, because
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: it's the company line, is that now these are real
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: conversations that we're having, and it's not the ideal outcome
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: for anybody. We don't want to have to do this,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: but we are willing to do it if it preserves
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: college football as we see fit. And that is the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: ultimate crux of the entire conversation. The as we see
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: fit parts varies from the SEC to the Big Ten,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: from the Big Ten to the ACC, from the ACC
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: to the Big twelve, and from all those power players
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: and the money teams. Certainly there's a disparity between what
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: they think is fit versus what the Utah States in
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: the Mountain West and the New pac twelves of the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: world think. Right, So Panche being asked about this, would
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: you guys actually break away, he effectively said, and I'm paraphrasing,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: we don't want to, but we will if we have to.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: And the SEC is going to dig its heels in
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: in a way that even the Big ten won't because
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: the system right now is really favoring the Big Ten.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: The Big Ten is in a situation where they now
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: have the last three national championships in football, the now
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: national champions in basketball. They're large population centers and the
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: new rules have allowed for some upward mobility, even for
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: like the Indianas of the world. Indiana just got the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: number one wide receiver in the class of twenty twenty
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: seven to commit to Indiana. He's a five star talent
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: that had an offer from everybody, and he's going to Indiana.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: He's not going to Miami. He's not going to Bama,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: he's not going to Georgia. He's not going anywhere except Indiana. Right,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: So the Big Ten is like, yeah, cool things are
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: happening for us.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: We like this, and the SEC is like.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: If whatever, If they if they perceive that the rules
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: proposed in this Protect College Sports Act are favoring the
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Big Ten one iota more than the SEC, then they
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: will potentially take their ball and go home.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: It's really hard being the having the fifth best team
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: in the country every year instead of the best team
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: in the country every year. Oh my gosh, the world's
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: smallest violin is playing. If you listen closely for Greg
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: Sankie in the SEC.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: Thing, it's always relative, right, your expectations and your experiences.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: Everything is relative.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: That whether you judge something to be a good or
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: a bad outcome is always relative to you know, kind
• 1:43:10
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• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: in the friend group has that friend that like just
• 1:43:21
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• 1:43:23
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• 1:43:27
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  Speaker 1: It's not always delicious because either there their spouse is
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: an incredible cook, or they're like a crazy health nut
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. They're just like, no, no, I'm not eating this.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: You're like, it's okay, one time to have to eat this.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have I'm gonna have the worst stomach ache later.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: You know, you go on a date with somebody who's
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: from like a wealthy background and they're just like, oh,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: this is what you can provide me.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: This sucks, and you're like, yeah, sorry that I'm not rich.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: You know. It's like, I mean, you could take me
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: somewhere next time.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: It's like right, it's like your expectation, yes, is having
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: this problem where they're like they come from the rich
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: household and they had to move into the dorm.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're like they're accustomed to a certain standard
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: of living, oh see, and and being like I said,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: closer to the fifth best team in the country in
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: any given sport is not that standard of living.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: This happens to people right in elementary school. There's somebody
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: out here listening right now. In elementary school, in third
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: and fourth grade, you were the fastest kid in school,
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• 1:44:31
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• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: what the heck my status? I didn't do anything different
• 1:44:37
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• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: now the second fastest kid in fifth grade.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: The move in, the shine on, the on, the on.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: The kid who moved in was always the worst, always
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: the worst.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've referenced him on the show before. All right,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: third grade, I'm the new kid in the boundary. All right,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: playground football I was for but a okay, you're the man.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: I was pick number one going into fourth.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: Grade, number one overall pick on the playground.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: And then guess what happens? Trevor Moss moves into the
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: the boundary Trevor Moss and then he's picked number one,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like whatever that is? Ten year old
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: me is like.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: What the hell? What happened? I'm not number two? My
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: time in the sun, my bleed, my brief and glorious.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: And then guess what fifth grade Mike Wahlberg moves in,
• 1:45:29
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• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: football on the grass at Willow Canyon Elementary.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Which was probably against the rules, totally against the rules.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: We had those secret underground tackle football games.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: Totally against the rules.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: But you know these are short recesses, so you get
• 1:45:50
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• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: the second time, and by the third time, someone like
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: the recess is over.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over. Okay, right, we'll stop now. But then
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: it's like like, oh crap.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: Now you've got this kid who's like one hundred and
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: eighty pounds in fifth grade. He moves into the boundary
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: and now he's picked number one, right, it just happens.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: That's what happened to the sec The Big ten, such
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: a terrible existence.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: The Big ten was the fast kid that moved into
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: the boundary or the big kid that moved into the boundary,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: and they're.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: Just like, no, no, no, no.
• 1:46:22
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  Speaker 1: I was the best basketball player by far at my
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  Speaker 2: Then this kid came in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what it happens to the best of us.
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  Speaker 1: You're in elementary school, you're the best at you're giving sport,
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  Speaker 1: you're the best at you're the fastest on the playground, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and then some kid moves in, who's faster? Or you
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  Speaker 1: hit like you hit fourth grade, fifth grade, and the
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  Speaker 1: girls start to hit puberty before the boys, and suddenly,
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  Speaker 1: like kickball games, the girls are just crushing it and
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  Speaker 1: all the boys are just like, what the heck?
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  Speaker 2: What just happened here?
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  Speaker 1: We've all been through these formative years in elementary school.
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  Speaker 1: You establish that pecking order and sometimes you feel like
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  Speaker 1: you're at the top until a new kid moves in. Well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: that might be happening with the athletes unlimited softball league
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  Speaker 1: and a new kid on the block. Dare I say
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  Speaker 1: it is your very own Utah Talents head coach Cindy
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  Speaker 1: Baum alone coach bear kind of enough to join us
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  Speaker 1: again on the Sean O'Connell show. Coach, welcome, how are you?
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  Speaker 8: I'm great? How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Doing all right? Did you ever we were?
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  Speaker 1: It's probably weird tuning in and like jumping into this
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  Speaker 1: part of the conversation, but we were just talking about
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  Speaker 1: how like for the SEC who was always so dominant
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  Speaker 1: in football, now like the new kid has moved in
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  Speaker 1: and is better at football than them. It happened to
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  Speaker 1: some of us during our elementary years that you thought
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  Speaker 1: you were the best, and then somebody moved into the
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  Speaker 1: boundaries and you weren't. Were you the person who moved
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  Speaker 1: in and was the best player, or were you with
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  Speaker 1: a person who was the best player and somebody else
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  Speaker 1: moved in at any point during your childhood?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, I was a slow starter, So I think I
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  Speaker 8: was one that kind of learned as I went along
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  Speaker 8: to say, to work really hard. So I would say
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  Speaker 8: I was maybe somebody that came in after a year
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  Speaker 8: or two.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, I liked that congratulations postseason bound the first year,
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  Speaker 1: finding a home in Utah, being set down here in
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  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, and your team has clinched a berth
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  Speaker 1: in the Championship Championship Series on that success first of all,
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  Speaker 1: But has this success so far come kind of how
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  Speaker 1: you thought it would? When we last had a conversation,
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  Speaker 1: we were just getting the season started and you didn't
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  Speaker 1: really have a good sense yet of whether it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be an offensively driven team, whether you were
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  Speaker 1: going to live on pitching, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Has the success come the way you thought it would?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think this year has been just
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  Speaker 8: a lot of different heroes in the game, and so
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  Speaker 8: I could say, you know, there was high high level
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  Speaker 8: moments for pitchers, high level moments for hitters, defenders, like
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  Speaker 8: some high level base running situations. And so I think
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  Speaker 8: it's just been a healthy combination of you know, all
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  Speaker 8: all parts of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Relative to you know, it's a it's a quick little season, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's not like this long marathon.
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  Speaker 2: And when you.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about it, I mean it was only it feels
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  Speaker 1: like a few weeks ago that we were having a
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  Speaker 1: conversation about camp and about the start of this thing. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of growth have you seen from your athletes,
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  Speaker 1: from your team, the chemistry, et cetera that you think
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  Speaker 1: has allowed you to be in this championship series.
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  Speaker 8: This weekend, you know, just learning each other. And what's
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  Speaker 8: been so amazing is to see these professional women have
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  Speaker 8: the ability to be vulnerable in front of each other, like,
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  Speaker 8: you know, make a mistake and then come back and
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  Speaker 8: get in a winning run. And so I would say
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  Speaker 8: learning from each other, leaning on each other. And I
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  Speaker 8: mean we've had some bumps and bruises along the way.
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  Speaker 8: You've seen some players kind of go on the ir
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  Speaker 8: the il and and you've had some other players come
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  Speaker 8: in and to be able to play as consistent as
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  Speaker 8: we did throughout all of those adversities. It just truly
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  Speaker 8: speaks to like what the mission is, you know, what
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  Speaker 8: our foundation is and the culture of our team. And
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  Speaker 8: so I think that's been a big part of just
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  Speaker 8: watching it grow and seeing us where we're you know,
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  Speaker 8: how we got there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of the league's stats and you've
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  Speaker 1: got you know, I'm looking at hitting right now, You've
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  Speaker 1: got what I'm looking the top eight here. Three of
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  Speaker 1: the top eight hitters in the league right now are
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  Speaker 1: in your lineup. So, uh, how much of that is
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  Speaker 1: you know, you give credit to yourself. I know you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to take any but you know, the hitting
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  Speaker 1: coaches and really how much is this is just Jadalin
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  Speaker 1: and and Aliyah and company figuring it out at bat?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, what what awesome job. And I'm
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  Speaker 8: assuming maybe like a Brie Ellis is in there too.
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  Speaker 8: So those three really studied what occurred in the league
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  Speaker 8: last year and just elevated their game for us. So,
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  Speaker 8: just like you said, Jay Lenson just light out for
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  Speaker 8: us in so many moments early in the game, late
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  Speaker 8: in the game, multiple you know games, uliple hits in games.
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  Speaker 8: And then you have Aliyah who really turned it on
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  Speaker 8: for us in that last game she got on base
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  Speaker 8: in which displayed her speed and the squeeze play and
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  Speaker 8: you know, highlighted a really nice station fits the place too.
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  Speaker 4: See.
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  Speaker 8: I know we've got to talk about the hitting, but
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  Speaker 8: defense definitely wins championship. But just to watch their growth
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  Speaker 8: over not only this season, but during my training camp
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  Speaker 8: and the off season, I mean, they really prepped to
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  Speaker 8: be prepared and come back even stronger this year.
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  Speaker 1: So for those who are uninitiated, which of course includes myself,
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  Speaker 1: get the playoff format and the championship format for the AUSL.
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  Speaker 1: What are you guys up against moving forward here?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so clinching first place for Railer season gives you
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  Speaker 8: a buy and an automatic bid into the championship series.
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  Speaker 4: The two and three.
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  Speaker 8: Feed will play a playing game on Thursday, and then
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  Speaker 8: the three game series, best of three games will start
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  Speaker 8: on Saturday, and it'll just go Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
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  Speaker 1: So Saturday, Sunday, Monday, best of three. And when I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to say if, when your Utah talents come
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  Speaker 1: out on top of that champions in this inaugural season
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  Speaker 1: here in Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, that's what that's the name of the game. When
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  Speaker 8: that two games, that three game series and you leave
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  Speaker 8: home champs.
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  Speaker 1: How has the response been at the Dumpkey for you
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  Speaker 1: this year? Obviously, you know it's the first time that
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  Speaker 1: the league put teams, rather than barnstorming around like you
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  Speaker 1: did in the inaugural season, put teams in home home stadiums.
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  Speaker 2: How's the Dunkey proven to be a good fit for you?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, it's just amazing. I mean, the people are what
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  Speaker 8: really made it. And I'm I'll say from our fans,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: our crowd, just the game day atmosphere so intimate and
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  Speaker 8: unique in the league because of our tradition. You know,
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  Speaker 8: we asked for some of our unique Utah or Ukaw
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  Speaker 8: chance and we got it. And you know they have
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  Speaker 8: held onto that and it actually stuck through some of
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  Speaker 8: our away games as well. And I'll just say, like
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  Speaker 8: to have that personalized fan base is I think just
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  Speaker 8: kind of speaks to not only these women on the talent,
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  Speaker 8: you know, just the culture, but then to be able
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  Speaker 8: to see it display within our fans and that atmosphere,
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  Speaker 8: it's something really special.
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  Speaker 1: Championship series is Davis Diamond down on the campus of
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  Speaker 1: Texas A and m right, correct.
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  Speaker 2: Well, have you been there a lot?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what you know about that place and is
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  Speaker 1: there anything unique about trying to get this thing done
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  Speaker 1: in College station for you?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so, believe it or not. I have never been there,
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  Speaker 8: which is crazy because I feel like I've been to
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  Speaker 8: like almost every stadium college stadium out there, but I've
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  Speaker 8: never been there. But I'll say unique to us, especially
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  Speaker 8: in our last like a few series, is it is
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  Speaker 8: a dirt endfield, so it's a traditional, you know, like
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  Speaker 8: college endfield and so and then I would say the
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  Speaker 8: field is one of the better ones on in today's game,
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  Speaker 8: in the college game. So I would say that those
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  Speaker 8: are the things that are pretty unique and exciting for us.
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  Speaker 8: I know our pictures love to pitch on dirt and
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  Speaker 8: they're ready for that. And I think the short game
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  Speaker 8: can be played a little bit different to you on dirt, So,
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  Speaker 8: you know, excited to see some of those things coming
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  Speaker 8: to play as well.
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  Speaker 1: Cindy Baum, Alone, head coach of your Utah Talons, is
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  Speaker 1: our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show. They are
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  Speaker 1: into the Championship Series in their inaugural season in Salt
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  Speaker 1: Lake City. Here for the Athletes Unlimited Softball League that
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  Speaker 1: will take place, as we just talked about, over the
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  Speaker 1: weekend into Monday, as a best of three series against
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  Speaker 1: whoever emerges from the play in game two three versus
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  Speaker 1: three seed. Is there a preference like do you have
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  Speaker 1: more history with one of these teams? Is if you
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  Speaker 1: have an expectation on who the matchup's going to.
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  Speaker 8: Be, Well, I don't want to give you just a
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  Speaker 8: boring answer, but I'll say we still don't know who
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  Speaker 8: that free seed is. That'll be determined in today's game
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  Speaker 8: with the Spark and the Blaze, And I mean, we
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  Speaker 8: just finished playing the Bandage, so I mean obviously from
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  Speaker 8: last year, you know, playing the Bandits in the championship
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  Speaker 8: series as well. I mean that's very familiar. But I'm
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  Speaker 8: going to just say we're going to just play against
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  Speaker 8: our best self and that that's really what we're going
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  Speaker 8: to focus on. So whoever ends up in that game
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  Speaker 8: against us, you know that we're ready to.
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  Speaker 1: Roll from an overall big picture perspective, And I know
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  Speaker 1: you're focused on getting your team ready and the minutia
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  Speaker 1: in that front, but you know all of you are
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  Speaker 1: kind of pioneering this thing in a new format.
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  Speaker 2: So what are you hearing? I mean, the crowds have
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  Speaker 2: turned out.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like in a lot of these places, I
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  Speaker 1: imagine momentum is positive. Women's sports in general are thriving
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  Speaker 1: right now in the United States of America. But I also,
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  Speaker 1: aside from this job, I'm part of kind of a startup,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: a sports startup, and it's scary, it's wild, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You're you're constantly dealing with different curve balls thrown at
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  Speaker 1: you and things like that. So from a league perspective,
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  Speaker 1: what are you hearing? And how strong does the future look?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, well, our goal is to build it
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  Speaker 8: faster than anyone else's done it. And I mean the
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  Speaker 8: example in this these past couple of days, I mean
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  Speaker 8: it will definitely hold true to people are watching. Like
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  Speaker 8: you said, you know, the unfortunate situation in the Midwest
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  Speaker 8: with those fires, we had to kind of there's a
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  Speaker 8: curve ball for you. You know, we're supposed to be
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  Speaker 8: playing our last games in Rosemont, and I think a
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  Speaker 8: day before we're supposed to leave, we get told we're
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  Speaker 8: going to move the games to Oregon and play there.
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  Speaker 8: And to know that we sold like sixteen hundred to
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  Speaker 8: two thousand tickets in less than twenty four hours for
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  Speaker 8: that series. I mean, wow, that's.
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  Speaker 4: Just it's incredible.
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  Speaker 8: It's incredible to see how exciting this game is for
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  Speaker 8: you know, the outside world and just the softball fans
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  Speaker 8: out there. And I'll say, like, you know, our hometown
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  Speaker 8: is definitely our hometown, but to see re currying fans
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  Speaker 8: come back to those games in Portland, it was pretty
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  Speaker 8: amazing and you started to recognize them and like this,
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  Speaker 8: like these games weren't even supposed to be here, and
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  Speaker 8: all of a sudden, we've got a packed stadium again
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  Speaker 8: and they're they're chanting for Utah. So it's just incredible
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  Speaker 8: to see how how fast it's picking up and just
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  Speaker 8: how intentional everybody is in making sure that it's done
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  Speaker 8: the right way, because you know, sometimes when things are
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  Speaker 8: built fast and you're not intentional about that, you know
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  Speaker 8: there could be issues. But the plan is for this
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  Speaker 8: this thing to be permanent, and this league to be
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  Speaker 8: permanent and continue to keep growing, and I the future
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  Speaker 8: is definitely.
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  Speaker 1: But back to the xs and knows of the actual
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: softball here. So I guess potentially three different opponents for you,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: three or four different opponents for you in this championship series,
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  Speaker 1: will your pitching lineup change based on who you're facing? Well,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: any your batting order change significantly based on who you're facing,
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  Speaker 1: or is it relatively consistent and dialed in regardless of
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  Speaker 1: the opponent.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I feel good with any rotation of
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 8: our pictures because they're they're just sick, all compliment each
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 8: other so well, and then they're all equally number ones
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  Speaker 8: in their own way. So I feel you know, once
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 8: we we kind of find out who is in the
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  Speaker 8: series with us, that will show us just trying to
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  Speaker 8: give us more information of matchups and whatnot. But I
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  Speaker 8: think our lineup is our lineup, right, I mean, depending
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  Speaker 8: on how people are, you know, being healthy and and
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  Speaker 8: you know, also maybe who were lined up to face, Like,
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  Speaker 8: we could see different matchups as well, but we got
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  Speaker 8: here with what we've been doing, and I'd say, like,
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  Speaker 8: we're going to stick to that. So I like the
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  Speaker 8: rotation we have, and all of the pitchers are ready
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  Speaker 8: to ready to go, and I mean they are a
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  Speaker 8: huge part of why we are in this position, and
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  Speaker 8: we're going to continue to keep relying on them to
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  Speaker 8: lead the way. And you know, we'll get that those
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 8: clutch hits and the routine defense in lockdown, So I
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 8: see the lineup being very similar to what we've been doing.
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  Speaker 1: This is a weird question, but I get into the
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: hardware of championships and I'm again I'm operating under the
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: assumption that the Talons are taking down their second straight
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: Athletes Unlimited Softball League championship.
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  Speaker 2: What is the trophy?
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: Like, are we going big, fat, audacious championship ring If
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: it goes down like that? Is there some other way
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: to commemorate? What is the hardware on an AUSL championship?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I actually haven't seen the trophy, but I'm
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 8: assuming there's a trophy. I will say that we were
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 8: able to be a part of the ring ceremony for
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  Speaker 8: the returning Chance from last year in Utah at our
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  Speaker 8: home field.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 8: I mean that was just amazing to see, like so
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 8: much fun and I thought it was cool. It's a
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  Speaker 8: really great opportunity for the ones that weren't on the
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 8: team from last year to say, like, we want this
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 8: moment next year at this time. And those rings were
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 8: just obnoxiously beautiful. They were just so amazing, and they
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 8: were they were big and gold, and I think we
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 8: even used that as you know, one of the times
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  Speaker 8: when we were going through it adversity, I asked one
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 8: of the athletes, do you remember your batting average from
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 8: last year? And they said no, And I said, do
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 8: you remember the color of your championship ring?
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  Speaker 4: And you like gold?
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  Speaker 8: Like that will stick in your head forever. And so
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 8: that was definitely a goal of you know, it's not
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 8: necessarily for the material thing, but what an awesome way
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 8: to celebrate those champions and then a USLUSA, Fernandez, our GM,
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  Speaker 8: you know, and everyone involved in such a good job
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  Speaker 8: and doing it right and celebrating more styles and so
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  Speaker 8: that's that's the next goal is let's make them have
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  Speaker 8: to design a really cool ring again.
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  Speaker 2: That's the goal. Coach.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck obviously, thanks so much for taking some time.
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  Speaker 1: And after you win it, let's whatever that trophy looks like,
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  Speaker 1: bring it here so we can see it in person
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  Speaker 1: and we'll do a little exit interview. Can we can
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: we get you to commit to that?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, if the a UFO is definitely committing to it,
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  Speaker 8: then I'll say I'll be there. Let's go.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: All right, good luck, coach, Thanks, thank you, all right,
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: take care coach Bear. That's uh, not the hockey coach bear.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: That Cindy bam Alone. Utah Talent's going for their second
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: straight AUSL championship, and after asking the question, I did
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: look up the ring, the championship ring from last year.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: It's it's a great ring. Got the the cool talents
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: I logo right in the middle of a softball diamond
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: and just a bunch of bling all over it. The
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: blessed this nest is I guess like the team model.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: They got that engraved on the inside, so it's a
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a big old fat chunk. So it's
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: a great championship ring. I hope they get another one. Yeah,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: do not do not fall into the trap and be
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: like AUSL. New league obviously very obscure compared to NFL,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: NBA whatever, We wouldn't we don't expect the rings to
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: be anything close to that. These are formidable championship rings,
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: like something that you might expect to see in one
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: of those other leagues.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: That's the impressive shout out to the USO. It's a
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: great I mean, yeah, it's a great ring. The league
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: is really cool. I was actually quite happy. I was
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: down in the hotel sports bar.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: The other night in Austin, Texas, they their game against
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: the Bandits was on the TV. So they've got a
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: decent distribute deal. People are watching, you know, And this
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: is We're now nine years into this PFL thing, right,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: And there's always there's like a bunch of terrible, scary,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: tough milestones along the way, and there's also a bunch
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: of like wins that come along the way. And so
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: having been on the ride for some of that, I
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: really hope that this softball league works out because this
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: is like the fifth try in the United States for
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: professional softball.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: And timing is everything.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: Man, Like you go back even to when you know,
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: all the sports that weren't a big deal and have
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: become a big deal in the United States, they had
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: their start somewhere, and it feels now we're in twenty
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: twenty six, why would people jump on board with another
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: sports product now? Well, the answers are actually in this
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: case obvious. If you're a parent who has softball players
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: in the home, and you probably love going to baseball games,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: but you want to be able to go support their
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: sport as well. You want them to be able to
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: go and have like aspirations of being prof that's something
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: that seems even remotely realistic. And you can do that
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: here in Salt Lake City and knock on wood, they
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: stay here in Salt Lake and the league continues to thrive.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: But can't hurt that this team has a chance to
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: take another championship. That'd be pretty cool to go two
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: for two because AUSL has only been around for one
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: in three quarters years or whatever, yeah, one point nine years.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: This would be back to back championships for the Talons.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: First championship for the Utah Talons, but you know the
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: old the franchise claims the first, the first championship as
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: well before they gave them home bases, as you talked
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: about with coach Ball Malone coach Bear in that interview.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: Just so everyone knows, anyone who wants to tune in
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: Game one in the Championship series eleven am. That's on
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 3: ABE on Saturday noon on ESPN is Game two on Sunday,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: and then the if necessary winner take all Game three
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: is five o'clock ESPN two on Monday. So playoffs are
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: there's a play in game on Thursday that's gonna determine
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: who Utah plays in the championship series and then it's
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: over either Sunday or Monday. Hopefully back to back championships
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: for the Talents come Sunday or Monday night.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: So there's a game between the OKC Spark and uh,
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: what's the Raleigh Durham Blaze.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: Is that that's the game.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: That's the last regular season game tonight and it's the Spark.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: Look just pulling up the standings. The Spark and the
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: Cascade from Portland are the two that have a shot
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: at being the three reseed at that last playoffs.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, So if the Spark win against the Blaze, it's
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: probably them taking on the Bandits.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: Effectively, it'll be the Cascade Portland. Okay.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: So it's either Portland, Oka See or Chicago that the
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: Talons are playing because whoever emerges from as the number
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: three seed takes on the two seed.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: The two seed is the Bandits.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: Utah just beat the Bandits in a series that had
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: been relocated to Oregon because it was supposed to be
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: in the Midwest. But there's a bunch of smoke blowing
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: down from Canadian wildfires and the Northeast like a bunch
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: of flights were canceled this weekend to the Northeast, which
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: is always an absolute mess because it creates this domino effect.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: But and then yeah, it's whoever versus your Utah Talons
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: at the Davis Diamond College Station, Texas, and you cannot
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: get tickets to this are sold out. They're sold out.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe on the secondary market you can.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: You can get tickets to the Thursday night semi final game,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: the play in game.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: That one, I guess in Oregon because in Crogo. No,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: it's in Roseman, Nope, it's in It's at the David's
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: Time Davis. Okay, everything's at Davis and Texas A and
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: I gotcha. Okay, so college Station you can go to
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: the play in game, the third place game. Wow, a
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: second place game as it were. I mean again, I
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: don't know. There's probably a lot of people are just like,
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: why are you talking about this? Because I'm fascinated by
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: a startup league when we have a trillion different entertainment options.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: It's such an audacious it's such a bold thing to say.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: Now I'm going to throw another option out there, and
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: I'm going to expect a strong response, and I'm going
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: to expect people to use their time, their money, their energy,
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: their effort to come watch this for the sake of,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: you know, launching softball professionally in the United States, and
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: by the way, it's failed like four times before, but
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: it's working right now. You can get tickets for the
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: play in game.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: For as low as twenty five dollars, but the actual
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: championship events can't buy them. They're sold out. Davis Diamond,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: well done, good job a USL. The other bet that
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: Athletes Unlimited. That's the AU stands for Athletes Unlimited Softball League.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: They have other sports leagues they've started as well. There's
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: volleyball and so forth.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: The bet that they're making is the incredible rise in
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: interest in women's sports, which a lot of that we
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: can be contributed to the fascination around Caitlin Clark and
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: basketball right ohc The other women's sports leagues in North
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: America United States have also grown, just like the WNBA
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: has grown. They're making this bet that, hey, softball can
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: thrive too. And they've got, like I said, they've got
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: a volleyball league, and I'm not off the top of
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: my head, I'm not sure the other leagues that they have,
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: but they have a number of other Leagues Athletes Unlimited
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: does and I think that they might be right about that.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 3: Even though what you said is true about we have
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: too many entertainment options, we have too many sports options
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 3: to watch right now. Women's sports is a part of
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: is a segment of that that there hasn't been enough
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: of that as far as options go, and the interest
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: has gone up. I think that they're proving, at least
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: through their first two years, that there is room for
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: growth in this and that they can and get a
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: lot of attention, a lot of interests in women's sports
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: products and a USL.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: Is one of the latest ones.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: Has an NBA reporter insider tipped off where Lebron James
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: is going to play next year?
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: Bump bump, bump.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: We'll discuss it next on The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN
• 2:14:19
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• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: Where's Lebron James gonna play next year? You don't know, Cleveland, Miami,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: Golden State, Philadelphia.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe in the mix.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: NBA released a preseason schedule, and it just so happens
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: that the Golden State Warriors are going to be hosting
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Lakers in the first games of the preseason.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: Eyeball emoji, iball emogi, iball emoji, iball emoji, eyeball emoji,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: eyeball emoji.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: That settles everything. It's all I need to know.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: When it's Mark Spears who's doing that saying uh huh,
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: look at this, it's all I need to know.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: Mark's very dialed in.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, he knows the intent, he knows the the subtext.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: He knows these players.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: I think, as far as NBA insiders go, like he's
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: as informed as anyone. And if he's thrown out irresponsible
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: eyeball emojis on something that might infer that the Lakers
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: and the Warriors is suddenly a lot more interesting in
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: a preseason game, a preseason matchup.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: It can only be one thing. Draymond Greens re signing
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: with the Golden State Worrior.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, dray Bond versus Bronny the rivalry of the century.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: Uh came across a kind of a funny tweet from
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: Barry Jackson, who is a his His Twitter bio says
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: thirty five years Miami. Harold veteran so So Miami area reporter.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: ESPN's Dave mcmaandaman said Rich Paul told him on Friday,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: there are no perfect options for Lebron. We all saw
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: that that little headline there. Kendrick Perkins said he heard
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: Miami is at the top of the list. Mark Spears
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 3: told told him an NBA coach said it's Cleveland or
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia or Golden State that settles everything.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: Oh good, all right, okay, so what is this or
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: that or this?
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: The answer to your question that you started out this
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: segment with oc where is Lebron going to play next year?
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: Is nobody knows. Nobody knows.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: I think Lebron might not even know, and that could
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: be why we haven't found out yet.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the quiet parts. Like, actually, guys, I don't know.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: I'm I've said this many times, Like I was not
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: recruited actively by elite schools when I was a high
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: school athlete.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, if you did, and if you consider
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: SUU not elite, Hey, WHOA, well that was one of
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: your schools, right, Yeah.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: If if you're a mega bajillionaire like.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a billionaire.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: If you're Lebron James, who's accomplished everything that you can't
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: accomplish in the NBA, and you're playing for for reasons
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: that are clear only to you, you're going to continue
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: going at this for reasons that are clear only to you.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the courtship process actually looks like,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: because whoever's getting him is not getting him because of money, right,
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: They're not. They're not offering him anywhere near what he's
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: actually worth as an NBA.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: Player, he said, he he well, probably because he knows
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: he can't. There are no options to take anything near
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: a max contract. But he's come out and said, I
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: will take the minimum if I have to to play.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: And like, what you're offering is another championship is what
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: you're offering Lebron James. And if you're Steph Curry, you're
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: offering him great golf. Right, there's like everyone's trying to
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 3: figure out the right angle. But it's a very different
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: I imagine it's a very different courtship process. Then you know, predecision,
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: it's a very different courtship process. Then it's been you know,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: this is the fourth time he's switching teams because you're
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: not getting that Lebron who's going to be an MVP
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: and is going to be the reason you win a championship.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: But also what you have to offer him is only
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: the pursuit of that.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: That's why, like the Minnesota.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: Timberwolves are in the mix, Lebron doesn't want to live
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: in Minneapolis.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: Denver's in the mix for the same reasons.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: Right There's it's probably why Philadelphia should be out of
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: the mix because they just you're too You're too reliant
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: on the health of a guy who can't stay healthy
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: in order to be in that picture. Lebron as cringey
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: as he is on social media. Lebron at this point
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: knows that he is not the driving force behind a
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: title team. He knows that about himself. He knows that
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: his body can't handle handle it anymore the way that
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: it used to. He knows that there are other guys
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: now that are just like rounding into form where he's
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: falling out a form. Like he's a smart enough basketball
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: mind that those things are undeniable for Lebron James at
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: this point, So you don't get to say, hey, this
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: is the best lifestyle you can find here in Minneapolis
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: is the best wilde lifestyle you're gonna be able to
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: find here in Cleveland. He's like, shut up, guys, I've
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: already lived here.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: I know what it's like.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: This is where I'm from, right. We have great golf here.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: I know if I'm Cleveland. I'm saying, look, this is
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: where it all started. This is where it could be
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: a full circle thing. You could finish here, and we
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: have a pretty legitimate shot at being an Eastern Conference favorite.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: If you are here and you're healthy.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: Even though we have James Harden and we're gonna have
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: to play with you're gonna have to play with James Harden.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: We have a good shot here. You could also You
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: could also if you like James Harden.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if if Lebron and James Harden get along,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: you could change James Harden's life. Yeah, he could, because
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: you could get us over the hump in a way
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: that James Harden has never been able to anywhere else
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: in his career. I don't know what Lebron thinks of
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell. Like the whole thing here is he has
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: earned the right to do exactly what he wants to do.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: To play with the people he wants to play with,
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't have to make a decision based on salary.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have to make a decision based on even
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: like the kind of home he can He can have
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: whatever he wants, and if he doesn't want to spend time,
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: guess what's gonna happen. He can be like, dude, this
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: road trip, I don't want to go on this one coach.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, he won't do that because he's Lebron, but
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: he could do that. It's kind of it's the Aaron
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: Donald thing with the Rams, right Aaron Donald is in
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: conversations with the Rams right now figuring out what the
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: bare minimum is that he can do that puts them
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: over the hump as a Super Bowl contender.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: They have earned that right. They're in.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: This incredibly rarefied error is like the upper one percent
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: of the upper one percent to just say I don't
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go on this road trip. I'm
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: not gonna be there, Okay, I'm gonna fly home. I'm
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be incognito watching BRONI play some NBA basketball.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: He won't get any minutes now that I'm not on
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: the roster. But like.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated what the courtship process looks like because
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: it has to be I think player driven. I think
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: it's got to be the guys that are on the team.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: Of course, ownership's gonna say whatever they're supposed to say,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: coaches are gonna say what they're supposed to say. But
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: it's got to be like Steph Curry being like, dude,
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: do you want to play with me or not? We
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: had a great time in USA Basketball all these years.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: Let's get one more title together before we're both too
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: old to do this again. If you're Donovan Mitchell, you're like, bro, please,
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: big brother, Please. You could be the thing that pushes
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: us that extra five percent that I need to beat
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: New York, to beat Philadelphia, to beat Miami, to beat
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: whoever in the East, to beat Boston so that I
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: can have a title as part of my legacy. And
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: I will give you credit in every conversation I have
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. If I'm James Harden,
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, dude, come on. If I'm Cleve, if
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like a random s teacher in Cleveland, I'm having
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: every child in my classroom write letters to Lebron James
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: every day. Please finish your career here, Please come, please
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: come full circle, please come home.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: Right he has an opportunity to write the.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: Ending of his own book in one of the more
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: fascinating ways that we've seen.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: You know what, you know it should happen as far
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: as the angle that you just described, the school teacher angle,
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: We're gonna I'm gonna have my cute kids write cute letters,
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: draw cute pictures, stick figures of them next to Lebron
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 3: James and the Cavs picture that's gonna melt his heart,
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: and he's gonna come home. The teachers at his uh,
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 3: at his I Promise School that he opened, is that
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 3: that's a an acron right I think it is that
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: they they should be like you. You built this wonderful place
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 3: for us. You're giving us an incredible educational opportunity that
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 3: we might not have had other wise. Come, Come finish
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: the come, finish the story here where it all started.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 3: Finish your promise from the I Promise from the kids
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 3: of the Igh Promise School that you built in Akron,
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: Ohio's that's the pitch right there.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: I know Lebron has a lot of haters. I hate
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: Lebron's cringiness. I don't hate anything else about Lebron. I
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: have a deep admiration for his consistency, for his avoidance
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: of scandal, for the fact that he has risen to
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: the occasion from the being on the SI cover when
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: he was sixteen years old. Like no athlete has had
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: the pressure that he's had and handled it as well.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: I think he handles the goat debate very well most
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: of the time. Like Lebron is as impressive an athlete is,
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: we're going to get in my lifetime more impressive than
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: pretty much everybody else.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 3: For a guy with no college education to be as
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 3: well spoken and is as much of a leader a
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 3: voice of leadership and goodwill as he's been and off
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: the court as well as on the court. Like that's
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't have anything but admiration for that.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of people dislike him because of his politics
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: or what they perceive to be his politics.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: Don't judge that, because if you do, you're gonna have
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna find out that you actually don't like a
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: lot of people because people's politics almost never align with
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: yours perfectly. So leave it out. In my opinion. But
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 1: Lebron James finishing off in Cleveland where he started, to
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 1: me feels like a poetic ending to an unbelievable career.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think I would get that same feeling.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I know I wouldn't get that same feeling anywhere
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: else if he goes back to Miami. There's some of that, yeah,
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: But the good turn, the positive turn, the happy part
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: of the of Lebron James's story is that after he
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: did these for lack of a better.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: Term, selfish pursuit of a championship with.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: Miami, he returned to Cleveland and he gave back, and
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: he gave them a championship. And even though I hated
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: his whole very obviously rehearsed Cleveland this is for you,
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: Like he practiced that in the mirror too many times
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: and it fell flat when he actually did it. But
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is he delivered a championship
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: to a championship less city in a way that, like,
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't script it better. For Hollywood, He's
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: a hometown boy leading the team to a championship.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: It's really really incredible.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: So to go back there and to finish and maybe
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: they win something big.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe they don't.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: But either way, the last time you put on an
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: NBA uniform, you do it for the team that gave
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: you your first NBA uniform.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: Minnesota can't do that for you, Golden State, even though
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: STEP's are one of your best buddies, can't do that
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: for you. Miami, where you have a lot of history
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: and wonder. You have a home in every one of
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: these places if you want, but Cleveland is the only
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: one that's actually home.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: Other than that, I don't really care. Yeah, see I.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: I would like him to go to Miami first, But
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 3: it's just because I have always had a lot of
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: admiration for Dwayne Wade pat Riley. I. I've always liked
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: the Heat, not been my favorite team, but liked the Heat,
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 3: liked his years in Miami. Would love for him to
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: would love for them to be are there to be
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: a Lebronis championship.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: You see what I did there.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: Lebron and Giannis teaming up would be I think would
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: be awesome. But if I take if I take that
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 3: out of it, take that inherent bias for me out
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: of the equation.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: Cleveland's the best story.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: It absolutely is, so I Cleveland, See Wade, what are
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: you doing?
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: Get him to the Utah, Get him to Jazz. Get
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: Lebron to the Utah Jazz. I've said this on the
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: air before. He's a little too old for it now,
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: but it would have been cool, like like, instead of
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: going to the Lakers, if he was just like, give
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: me the list of NBA teams that have never won
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: a championship, are furthest away from winning a championship and
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: picked one of those, Yeah, it would have been awesome.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: That changes your place in the goat debate. Also, it
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: absolutely does.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: And in this case, there's only one team out of
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: the six or whatever that have been thrown out there
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 3: as possible destinations.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: It's Minnesota Timberwolves. Yeah. Just just by the way.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: If you give that city their first ever championship, they're
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: gonna love you forever.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: Cleveland already does, Miami already does, Golden State never will,
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: who knows? All Right, one last break, We're gonna give
• 2:28:46
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• 2:28:51
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  Speaker 2: Like ten years old now. I think I only saw
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  Speaker 3: That's the shaky cam came one that didn't actually show
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 3: any kind of monster. It just was like a They
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: ended up showing them found footage a long time ago
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 3: that I saw. It's like one of those weird found
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 3: footage movies.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: So the End of Oak Street is reportedly part of
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: this world, but they haven't confirmed it or denied it.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: We just finished a.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: Fantastic, phenomenal, incredible World Cup tournament Spain of course champions
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: one nil over Argentina.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: Who is as of today the all time World Cup
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: goal scoring leader changed a couple of times during this
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: tournament eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred?
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: Who holds the goal the who holds the record for
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: most goals scored in the World Cup eight seven seven
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  Speaker 1: three five to three zero seven hundred? Not this year's
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: World Cup, but all World Cups combined? What individual player
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  Speaker 1: has scored the most goals in World Old Cup play
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  Speaker 2: It's so's come up next?
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  Speaker 9: What's going on with the Hawaiian shirt outside of it
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 9: being phenomenally good looking? And you're talking to a fan
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 9: of Hawaiian shirts over here. That's a good one, It's
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 9: a great shirt.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: This is my my late grandfather, Delmer Scales.
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  Speaker 2: This is his favorite shirt that is now mine. Huh.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: And I just felt like wearing it today.
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  Speaker 9: It's a hand me down. Yeah, and you know what
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 9: I like. You can see the tad a little bit,
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 9: a little bit, so it's kind of like, huh, that
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 9: guy's both Hawaiian and mysterious.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, I like it. Yes. How was your weekend? Good weekend? Yeah?
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 9: I thought it was a phenomenal tournament that deserved a
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 9: little bit of a better finale.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: I was disappointed.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 9: That's how Argentina played there, and look credit Spain but
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 9: like diving, tried to draw fouls and then hope for
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 9: one messy moment. That's who they are. It's how they
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 9: won the World Cup a year ago. But I would imagine,
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 9: excuse me, last cycle. I would imagine there were a
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 9: lot of people that were like, okay, all right, fine,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 9: stop talking about the World Cup, I'll watch the finale,
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 9: and then they were walking away like wait, really, like
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 9: that's the deal. I mean, it was intriguing at the end,
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 9: but like the flow up until the end I thought
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 9: was pretty disappointing.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 1: It was a crazy dominant defensive performance for Spain, which
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: is certainly not the most visually appealing soccer we saw
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: throughout the tournament. But them's the breaks. If you're gonna
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: love the sport, you gotta love it in all of
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: its forms. If you're gonna love the tournament, you gotta
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: love at least how it ends, and you get the
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: resolution that you get.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 9: So congrats to Spain Viva Fanya Worthy Champs one goal loud.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 9: Did I think I read this morning? Ten shots allowed
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 9: all tournament?
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: Crazy?
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 9: The Argentinian keeper made eleven saves on Sunday yesterday and
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 9: the Spanish keeper made ten saves all tournament.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty wild to consider.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 9: But I mean, I mean, look, he got he got
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 9: the award for he got the gold Glove for best
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 9: keeper in the tournament.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: Every other one is just like he didn't have to
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: do anything.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah, But for all the handwringing about, oh, people are
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 9: gonna come here and they're gonna see how fractured we
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 9: are and it's gonna be I thought it was an
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 9: unbelievable display of just who we are to the world.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 9: I thought everybody handled it well. He even the things
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 9: that were a little bit controversial, the balligan red card,
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 9: it didn't diminish what was an unbelievable tournament.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: And I always forget like.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 9: It goes away and because it's every four years, you know,
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 9: and you're like, oh, yeah, it's the World Cup this summer,
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 9: and then it comes around and you're just like, this
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 9: is awesome. It is so many really cool things about it.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 9: And as I always say, I know, soccer's not for everybody.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 9: It doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 9: for you. That's fine, but I don't think you have
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 9: to be a soccer fan to appreciate what that tournament
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 9: actually is.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: Well, this one definitely made me a soccer fan in
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: a way that I have never been in my life.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: And I credit hockey also for doing some of that,
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: because I've watched more hockey in the last two years
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: than I have in most years of my life. And
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: there are some similarities to the way that you know,
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: the balls serviced in to the front of the goal
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 1: the same way in hockey and things like that.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 2: So I liked it.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: I liked all of the social media, all of the
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: feel good all of the I like the I mean,
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: we didn't get to talk about on the show. Argentina
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: is a bunch of source sports. They started a fight
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: with Spain's That's like starting a fight at the Olympics,
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: you know, it feels like undignified to do at a
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: World Cup final, but Argentina being cry babies about it
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: and gives you more to talk about. I'm on board
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: and Spence, I got James to commit to this. Four
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: years from now, Spain, morocc Old Portugal hosting the World Cup.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 2: We're gonna put it in the in the budget here
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 2: at ESPN seven hundred and we're going is there a
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: bus route to Spain? Here's the thing.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, what we have to do is get on an
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: illegal barge making its return to Morocco and then we
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: will technically be there.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: For the World Cup.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: Is this like gonna be like a three month scary
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: journey across the Atlantic?
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 9: Is this like the Connor McGregor speaking into existence manifesting
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 9: that all the kids do these days?
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: Hey, it works, it works for him. Didn't he just
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: rip up his knee?
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 9: It works for him the first time around. It worked
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 9: for him when he was an elite fighter. Yes, this
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 9: is the problem with all these manifestation morons.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 2: Everyone.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 9: Everyone manifests after they've done the thing, like, no, you don't.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 9: You don't know what I did during my process? Yeah,
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 9: I know what you did. You worked hard, you prepared
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 9: and you won some fights, it doesn't mean you have
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 9: access to Saturn when the rest of us don't know.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 2: What's going on. Calm down. So annoying.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you mostly, but he really
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: did speak some things into existence.
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: That were like nearly impossible winning fights.
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 1: The way that he would predict the specific manner in
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: which he was going to do it and then he
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: would go do it.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 2: It was just like, come on, what really you're.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 9: We never talk about the guys that are like I
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 9: manifested this outcome and then they get their heads kicked in.
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 9: It's obviously not obviously those guys you forget about.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: Do you remember who? You remember?
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 9: Chris Childs? He was a point guard for the Knicks
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 9: back in the day. Sure, do you know? I mean
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 9: he was he was a decent player. Jeff An Gunn
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 9: he finally told him to stop guaranteeing wins because he
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 9: would talk to the meeting before the game. He's like,
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 9: guarantee we're gonna beat the bulls tonight. They'd lose by
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 9: like forty gun He's like, you need to shut up.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 9: Stop with your guarantees. We always give the people credit
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 9: who manifest the things after they win and then like, no,
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 9: I have the magic. You should you should subscribe to
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  Speaker 9: my ebook. It's fourteen ninety nine a week. By the way,
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 9: Should Mark Carlin take the Michigan job?
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Can you imagine?
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 9: When I saw the Ward Manual news, I was like, dude,
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 9: what if they hire Mark? If you're wit, that won't happen.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 9: I know it won't, but it would just be hilarious
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 9: if it did.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 2: Kyle again gets.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: A phone call from whoever Michigan's president is. He's like, hey,
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: I mean technically the football teach.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: He doesn't set and it feels so good. Can you
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: imagine if that scenario actually would I don't think Mark
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 2: wants it any more than Kyle does. I would imagine
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 2: Mark would talk to Michigan about their up in a
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: d job.
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to be reunited with Kyle
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 1: anymore than Kyle wants to be reunited with Mark.
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 9: I think Mark would take a great delight in taking
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 9: that job and suddenly, oh, yeah, we were looking for
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 9: a new football coach.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: It's an angle I did not even begin to think
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 1: about when I saw that war to Manual.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 9: Maybe it says something about the way I think The
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 9: first thing I thought when I saw the word manual news,
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 9: I'm like, Mark needs to get that.
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: How could this upset people that I know? Exactly? Yeah,
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: precisely right. Interesting news, though.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 9: Probably inevitable after that investigation all went down.
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's getting to go out on his own terms,
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 1: which feels like kind of a compromise with like, hey,
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: you've had a lot of success. You've ever seen a
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: lot of success here any other school, in any other era,
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: we would probably get rid of you now.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 9: But yeah, the weird thing about the investigation, as far
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 9: as what I was reading this morning, is it actually
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 9: revealed a lot of really good things about him, like
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 9: he's a good leader, and our football team won a
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 9: national championship like five years ago, whatever, basketball won a
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 9: national championship last year. Yeah, it's got to be difficult though,
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 9: because most of the things that happened that led to
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 9: this situation, we're really out of his control.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 2: It's not like he was directly involved at least from
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: what I read.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things and we've talked about
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: this many times where you don't have an excuse to
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  Speaker 1: not know about it. Ignorance is not acceptable. And then
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  Speaker 1: if you did have knowledge of it and you didn't act.
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  Speaker 1: Also not acceptable. Yeah, so it's like, am I supposed
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  Speaker 1: to respond to every whisper or rumor that's happening in
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  Speaker 1: my athletic department. Some people say no, obviously not, You've
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  Speaker 1: got bigger fish to fry. Some people say, yes, that's
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  Speaker 1: your job. You have to know and make sure that
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  Speaker 1: these things don't snowball and get out of control. And
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 1: you know, coaches have to deal with it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that kid was out partying every Saturday night, right,
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  Speaker 1: Why didn't you know?
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  Speaker 2: It's your job to know.
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  Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know what it's like
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  Speaker 9: having been in a college locker room. I mean, the
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  Speaker 9: buck does stop with a coach, and sometimes there's so
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 9: many things that happened the coach can escape. But like
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  Speaker 9: the Gary Croton stuff down at BYU, you know, when
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 9: all that stuff came out, he wasn't going to survive that.
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  Speaker 9: But there were some things that happened with you players
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  Speaker 9: when Wit was the coach, and he used to talk
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  Speaker 9: about a pretty with a lot of candor, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: it's it is on me to know this, But that's
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  Speaker 9: why you have to have great quality control coaches, You
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  Speaker 9: have to have great assistant coaches, You have to have
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  Speaker 9: an entire program that at least paints accountability and is
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  Speaker 9: very forthcoming about what we expect. And then you just
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  Speaker 9: have to hope that the young men behave themselves, which
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  Speaker 9: is a hard thing to do with, you know, teenager.
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  Speaker 1: There's going to be some coach someday who writes a
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  Speaker 1: book about and like actually tells the truth about how Hey,
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 1: I knew that the position coach was going to find
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  Speaker 1: out first. I knew the GA was going to find
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  Speaker 1: out first. Yeah, and I told them, if it's a
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  Speaker 1: money thing, a drinking thing, of whatever thing, tell me
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  Speaker 1: let me know right now. And if it's a you know,
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  Speaker 1: ssa thing, if it's a domestic violence thing, if it's
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  Speaker 1: a whatever thing, I don't want to know. There's going
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: to be some coach who tells the real truth about
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 1: being selective on what kind of knowledge. If it's a
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 1: recruiting violation, I don't want to hear about it. I
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: need plausible deny it ability. You better figure it out.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: There's definitely that level of organizational accountability in some of
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 1: these cases, and we just don't know in each program
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 1: with each coach and each staff and each athletic department
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 1: by extension, how it.
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  Speaker 9: Is well and also how many things that people are
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 9: willing to turn a blind eye to simply if you're
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 9: winning games, you know, like the Patriot way. We heard
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 9: that from Oh yeah, your tight ends a serial killer.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 9: Calm down with the Patriot way, fella, but you're winning
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 9: Super bowls.
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 1: Urban Florida, Right, I had such a hard time, and
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 1: it's I've talked about it too much on the air,
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 1: but like there were ten years where we were kind
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 1: of immediately post his exit from Utah and all this
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 1: stuff was happening at Florida and even Ohio State had
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 1: some issues, and I was trying to explain to people
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  Speaker 1: how impossible that would have been at Utah. To be
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 1: that player in that position at Utah would have been impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Urban changed.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 1: Urban was either told by people more powerful than him,
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 1: if we're winning games, you will deal with this.
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  Speaker 2: He was a dictator. He was a.
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  Speaker 1: Disciplinarian when he was at the University of Utah. He
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 1: was I have plenty of anecdotal stories about him ruining
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: guys because he didn't like one undisciplined action from that guy. Yeah,
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: and then he went to Florida. Yeah, and they had
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 1: like twelve convicts on the team at all times.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, it's probably just a like SEC Media Days
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 9: is going on right now, and I was watching this
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  Speaker 9: morning because Greg Sankie spoke and look, I know people
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 9: around here hate it when you say it's different down there,
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 9: but it just is. And just watching the way they like,
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry. Brett Yormark's introductory press conference during Big twelve
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  Speaker 9: Media Days it was like P. T.
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  Speaker 2: Barnum.
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  Speaker 9: It was this weird combination of like, are you a preacher?
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 9: Are you running for office? What are we doing here?
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 9: And Greg Sankie presented by Muster Energy indeed shout out
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 9: sugar Free the white One. Greg Zankee presents himself as
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 9: just like this statement statesman, he's at a podium, everything
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 9: is normal, the questions aren't weird. And then there's the
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 9: money dynamic as well when that much money is involved,
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 9: like Lane Kiffin is going to speak on Thursday, I think,
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 9: and they were just talking about the dynamic of you know,
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 9: LSU hasn't been to a CFP in seven years. And look,
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 9: also Urban went from the Mountain West right SEC. He
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 9: didn't go from the Pac twelve or the big like
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 9: he made. I don't know what he was making in Utah.
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 9: What a mountain whis conference coaches make. Do you think
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 9: he was making a million bucks a year?
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  Speaker 2: I think he was coming up on a million bucks
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 2: a year.
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 9: And jumps into six or seven Okay, yeah, I mean okay,
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 9: so if this was four or five times your salary,
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 9: where the steaks are so high that if you are
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 9: able to deliver a winning product, very powerful, rich people
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 9: look the other way. Bad behavior because of how much
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 9: that means to this state, how much it means to everybody,
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 9: everybody's bottom line. The college football is such big business,
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 9: and that's why these coaches can get away with so
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 9: much when they're in that ecosystem if they deliver a winner.
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: I want to make one observation before we turn it
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 1: over to the drive. Okay, we like to tease, we
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 1: make fun of Monster.
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 2: Energy Big twelve football season, but.
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 1: When we went down to media days, Spence check ITTs
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 1: was not a Monster Energy drinker.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: I had my first one at Big twelve media.
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 1: Day, and now Spence check Its comes into the studio.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: The last three times I've seen him, he's got a
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 1: Monster Energy drink. So for Monster, it's worth that twenty
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 1: million dollars.
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  Speaker 9: They spent blaming this on Porter because he's my producer,
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 9: and that's always the fallback for a host. He because
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 9: the first one I tried I didn't like, and he's like,
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 9: you gotta get the white one with no sugar, and
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 9: he was right. So the days that I run out
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 9: of time and can't get my cold brew because I'm
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 9: like a one cold brew guy, and that's about it,
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 9: I've enjoying a little white Monster these days. It's a
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 9: dangerous habit because the other thing is they are entirely
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 9: effective until they're not well.
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 2: I feel great right now. Talk to me about five
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 2: or six tonight. It feels like this is you're slumming
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 2: it a little bit. You're you know, yeah, this is
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 2: not like a Connecticut type drink.
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, don't look. I do have a rep. Okay. So
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 9: here's the deal. When I roll in in my seersucker outfit,
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 9: I will not have a month.
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: I'll have like a perier or something.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, Stay tilled for the drive. Thanks for listening
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  Speaker 1: to The Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Will do it again. Tomorrow on ESPN seven hundred and
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