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Soggy Cigarettes - Yakuza Kiwami 2 - Part 4 · Replay Reviews

• 0:00
  Episode 21. It's been a long week.
• 0:02
  That's our segue. That's our intro.
• 0:07
  Should we do out of context?
• 0:11
  Yes.
• 0:12
  In this episode, we repeatedly learn never to trust a man in purple.
• 0:16
  Kiryu gets upset when he doesn't get a Christmas present.
• 0:20
  And I feel like pulling it out was definitely the wrong move.
• 0:25
  Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews.
• 0:27
  My name is Leah.
• 0:28
  And my name is Cathy.
• 0:29
  We are two friends who are here to replay, review, and analyze your favorite video games.
• 0:33
  And since Cathy has never seen the games before, it helps me view them through her fresh eyes.
• 0:38
  Almost like I'm discovering them again for the first time.
• 0:41
  We hope it will be a similar experience for you.
• 0:50
  Chapter 11. The Iron Creed.
• 0:52
  Kiryu meets back up with Sayama who, after thinking things over, is worried she may be one of the Jinguyan survivors.
• 0:58
  Kiryu asks if she'd rather call off the meeting with Korai in light of this, but she still wants to follow through, so they head out.
• 1:05
  But she also just like, browses Sigaret and goes like, let's go.
• 1:10
  As if he can't smoke and walk at the same time.
• 1:13
  After another way too long scavenger hunt, they find a place called Keima where they locate Mirai.
• 1:20
  After some convincing, he reveals the names of the other two survivors.
• 1:25
  And that there were two additional survivors, the boss's wife and child.
• 1:30
  What's about doing the puzzles and about finding a plump hostess?
• 1:35
  Like, what is up with this game for making us do the most weird things?
• 1:40
  I wish I could say that that seems weird, but after playing the whole series, it's pretty mild.
• 1:47
  So we then see another flashback of the incident.
• 1:52
  We see that Kazuma did not shoot Mirai.
• 1:55
  Shimano did shoot him, and thinks he killed him, but he did not.
• 1:59
  And then they make it sound like, I guess Saima is the boss's daughter, who Kazuma killed.
• 2:04
  And he says they both escaped with Koara.
• 2:07
  What I don't understand is why does everyone keep making the assumption that she is a Jinguyan.
• 2:14
  You can be an orphan, but you don't automatically jump to that, right?
• 2:20
  I'm also kind of annoyed at this character because she keeps defying everyone's orders or advice.
• 2:25
  Just about leaving things alone.
• 2:28
  This guy dies because of them.
• 2:30
  They lead the Jinguyan mafia right to him.
• 2:34
  Was it worth it? I don't know.
• 2:37
  And then Kiryu just casually mentions that he was there too.
• 2:41
  But we don't get to hear about it because this is when the Jinguyan mafia shows up.
• 2:45
  But what? How many people were there?
• 2:49
  That's the other part too.
• 2:52
  If in the beginning she just talks about knowing that she may be part of the Jinguyan mafia,
• 3:00
  why didn't Kiryu say anything if he knew he was involved too?
• 3:03
  Why didn't he give her some perspective?
• 3:05
  Why hold it and keep it a secret up until now?
• 3:10
  After being defeated, all of the Jinguyan kill themselves.
• 3:14
  But not before one of them kills Mirai.
• 3:16
  I do have a question. One of the themes he talks about is he sold out the family, right?
• 3:23
  But am I missing something?
• 3:26
  I don't feel like we got much details about who did he exactly sell it to.
• 3:30
  I don't really understand. What was he selling out?
• 3:33
  Was it specific information? Was it about how to kill the boss?
• 3:37
  Was it that I'm going to help you, Dojima?
• 3:40
  Do we know the details?
• 3:43
  What Besho told us was he hid him because he basically didn't kill himself.
• 3:48
  So he didn't follow the code.
• 3:51
  But in this scene they're making it sound like he did something to out somebody.
• 3:56
  So I don't know. I'm a little bit confused on what exactly he did.
• 4:00
  Chapter 12. That was a short chapter.
• 4:02
  Osaka Castle.
• 4:05
  We start out with Kiryu telling Sayama his side of the story.
• 4:09
  So we're back in time again.
• 4:11
  He was worried about Kazuma and snuck out of Sunflower to find him.
• 4:16
  He needs to learn how to take directions better.
• 4:20
  Yeah, Kazuma's like, don't follow me. But what does he do?
• 4:24
  He follows him.
• 4:26
  Kazuma was going to let the Jinguyan live. We see him telling them to just run away.
• 4:31
  But Kiryu ruined it.
• 4:35
  I feel like again, the game is trying to make Kazuma a saint by letting these people go.
• 4:41
  I'm sorry, I don't buy it.
• 4:43
  I don't feel like they give us any reason for the sudden character change.
• 4:49
  And then Kiryu thinks he mistakes the situation, thinks Kazuma's in danger,
• 4:54
  and essentially forces the situation where Kazuma has to shoot.
• 4:58
  I don't understand how Kiryu can misread the situation
• 5:01
  because it's pretty obvious that his father is fine.
• 5:05
  So it's very stupid of him.
• 5:08
  Okay, can we talk about young Kiryu?
• 5:11
  In general, it kind of freaks me out.
• 5:15
  I don't like it. I feel like the voice actor was not a good choice.
• 5:19
  Maybe he was going through puberty and he's just kind of going through ups and downs.
• 5:25
  I don't know, but it freaks me out. I don't know why.
• 5:28
  I think it's because, well, because this is obviously before Y0,
• 5:32
  but he has his current hairstyle.
• 5:35
  Yeah, I didn't notice that.
• 5:37
  That just weirds me out because I obviously associate that hairstyle with older Kiryu,
• 5:42
  but it's on child Kiryu.
• 5:45
  I don't know, it does something to my brain that I don't like.
• 5:48
  Yeah, I'm not very comfortable with it.
• 5:51
  Okay, so an angry Sayama storms off,
• 5:54
  but I kind of feel like she's more angry at Kiryu for how he's acting now
• 5:58
  versus what he did as a kid.
• 6:01
  He's being kind of mopey.
• 6:03
  He's being pathetic.
• 6:06
  I get where he's coming from, but dude, you've had so long to process,
• 6:12
  and why are you being so dramatic?
• 6:14
  Since the montage, I mean, he annoyed me before then too,
• 6:18
  but since that moment on the roof,
• 6:21
  I don't think there's anything he's done that hasn't pissed me off or annoyed me.
• 6:27
  I don't.
• 6:28
  Well, okay, I guess he's going to get what's coming to him
• 6:31
  because as he's being dramatic, he unknowingly provides the perfect opportunity to be attacked,
• 6:36
  and he gets stabbed in the gut.
• 6:38
  How long was he standing there for?
• 6:40
  Because it's nighttime now.
• 6:42
  Why are you just standing there?
• 6:44
  Why didn't you call for help?
• 6:46
  I mean, he ends up moving somewhere,
• 6:48
  and there's a lot of actions he could have done to prolong himself from dying.
• 6:52
  A, don't pull out the freaking knife and just bleed all over the place.
• 6:56
  I feel like everybody knows that, right?
• 6:59
  And if you don't, know that.
• 7:01
  Don't do that.
• 7:03
  It's all that's holding your guts in there.
• 7:06
  And then again, we don't go to a hospital.
• 7:08
  We don't use our cell phone.
• 7:10
  Okay, and so in the midst of all this dramatic kind of thing,
• 7:15
  what did Sayama say? I can't remember what she said,
• 7:19
  but he's repeating that in his mind.
• 7:21
  All he just wrote was that it wasn't even that great of a line
• 7:24
  for Kiryu to be repeating the words in his head.
• 7:27
  And then also, where's the music coming from in this entire scene?
• 7:32
  Yes. Okay, let's start with the quote in Kiryu's head.
• 7:36
  Not only is it not a very impactful quote,
• 7:39
  it's also the complete opposite of what she said she would do
• 7:43
  in that bar scene when she's like, I'm not going to be able to forgive.
• 7:47
  But here she's completely flipped.
• 7:50
  Kiryu's not going to make it even.
• 7:52
  Is it just because it's Kiryu now?
• 7:54
  Obviously it is.
• 7:56
  The music. It's not the first time we'll hear it.
• 8:00
  It's so random.
• 8:02
  I wasn't expecting that, and it kind of comes and goes
• 8:05
  in very unexpected times.
• 8:07
  Yeah.
• 8:09
  Well, anyway, I think we should move on.
• 8:13
  So Kiryu arrives at the bar where a Kawhara is also present,
• 8:17
  as well as Tamiyo.
• 8:19
  But we don't really see anything because I guess Kiryu passes out.
• 8:23
  I can't believe a former Tojo Clan boss can die or get stabbed so easily.
• 8:30
  He should be ashamed of himself.
• 8:32
  He's off his game in this game.
• 8:35
  So we cut pretty quickly to meeting with Pistachio, Ryuji, and some other guy,
• 8:41
  who I'm not sure if we've seen before or not.
• 8:43
  Pistachio picks on Ryuji a bit and thinks he's going to be the next Omi chairman.
• 8:48
  Basically, it sounds like whoever takes down the Tojo Clan gets to become the next Omi chairman.
• 8:54
  Is that what you're picking up?
• 8:56
  Well, isn't that the whole point of the Dragon of Kansai?
• 9:01
  I assume it's the same idea as the one true leader, the one true boss,
• 9:06
  is if you can defeat them, you can defeat anyone.
• 9:08
  Is that the vibe you're getting or am I off?
• 9:11
  So I think Ryuji has his own motive of he wants to be the only dragon, so Kiryu has to die.
• 9:19
  He's kind of going for two birds, one stone, which is taking out Kiryu and taking out the Tojo Clan.
• 9:26
  And then Pistachio is also trying to take out the Tojo Clan,
• 9:30
  and Kiryu is just the best way to do that.
• 9:32
  The agreement is whoever takes down the Tojo Clan becomes the next Omi chairman.
• 9:37
  Okay, that makes sense.
• 9:39
  So Pistachio is pretty confident that he's going to beat Ryuji,
• 9:44
  and we learn that that's because he's kidnapped Haruka.
• 9:47
  He says, Kiryu takes my bait, I take his head. Bam.
• 9:51
  And then Ryuji says, I'm taking down Kiryu and the Tojo Clan my own way.
• 9:55
  And the Pistachio laughs so many different laughs that nobody has ever laughed, ever.
• 10:01
  Yeah, it's disturbing.
• 10:07
  So going back, we previously mentioned that Ryuji was a bit of a thug, like a traditional one.
• 10:13
  Unlike a lot of the other characters that are more strategic,
• 10:17
  I feel like this really does demonstrate his trust in his own skills and competency of being able to fight his way.
• 10:24
  Traditional style instead of playing dirty.
• 10:26
  And I feel like this has earned me a few points of respect for him,
• 10:30
  because I think it's just awesome how he's not resorting to a defenseless child.
• 10:36
  He's actually doing his competency test against someone he admires but wants to fight evenly.
• 10:44
  Yeah, I think we'll talk more about it, so I won't say too much,
• 10:47
  but I've never liked a villain as much as I like Ryuji.
• 10:52
  Should we go back to the bar?
• 10:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 10:55
  So we cut back to Kiryu in the bar.
• 10:57
  He's starting to recover and asks why Kawara was there.
• 11:01
  Tomio says to check in on Sayama, and she kind of dodges the question by handing him a note that was in his pocket.
• 11:09
  This note is Sengoku's bait.
• 11:11
  It's telling him that Haruka's been kidnapped.
• 11:15
  I knew that she's going to get kidnapped and nonetheless by someone who plays dirty.
• 11:22
  Kiryu, I think, goes out to look for Haruka, and as he's wandering around, he gets a phone call.
• 11:28
  There's an NPC walking behind him, and he pulls out his phone and then immediately turns away when Kiryu answers his phone.
• 11:34
  It looks like he's the one that called it.
• 11:37
  Yeah, I did notice that.
• 11:39
  So the caller, probably not the NPC, tells Kiryu to go to the golf center alone if he wants Haruka back.
• 11:45
  So he heads there where he finds one single man who was told to kill him, but fails.
• 11:51
  So after this, he then gets a call from Kurokawa who tells him to get down to the river.
• 11:56
  And it turns out this is all just him trying to get Kiryu for the bounty.
• 12:01
  Is this the same bounty that was from...
• 12:04
  Yeah.
• 12:05
  So much of these problems that Kiryu has been facing in this game could be avoided if he would just stop picking up the phones.
• 12:15
  Kurokawa's asking him to meet him, but not tell him anything.
• 12:19
  Well, Kiryu does beat a location out of Kurokawa.
• 12:24
  He says the acupuncture clinic where Isaki should be.
• 12:27
  And Isaki is the information dealer who originally tried to kill Kiryu for the bounty,
• 12:33
  which I guess it makes sense now because Kurokawa knows Isaki, who was told about the bounty from Sengoku.
• 12:42
  And so Kiryu fights Isaki, who tells him that Sengoku wants him to bring Kiryu to him.
• 12:50
  So in this exchange, we learn that Haruka is at Osaka Castle.
• 12:54
  So Kiryu arrives there and what the hell is the castle doing?
• 12:59
  That castle just like splits open and like pushes another one from the ground.
• 13:04
  Kiryu is just standing there while the ground is about to like open up and swallow him.
• 13:09
  The staircases? Quite accurate.
• 13:11
  But the castle birthing another building? Not so much.
• 13:16
  How are they hiding that hidden castle too?
• 13:20
  And what's the point? I don't know who thought of that and decided it was worth all the time to animate it.
• 13:28
  Yeah, truly confusing.
• 13:32
  So anyway, Kiryu fights his way up to Haruka and Sengoku, who then releases tigers.
• 13:39
  Where is all these things coming from?
• 13:42
  Like, where did the tiger come from? How did they get the tiger there?
• 13:46
  How is the tiger not eating Sengoku or Haruka?
• 13:49
  How are these tigers knowing to target Kiryu and fight him like that?
• 13:54
  I feel like the writers were like high or something.
• 13:58
  Because where is this all coming from?
• 14:00
  I mean, I know it's Yakuza. I know it gets real odd.
• 14:04
  But I feel like we just jumped up like three levels of odd in this scene.
• 14:09
  After beating the tigers, Kiryu chases Sengoku out of his office or to his office.
• 14:17
  Ryuji is waiting to Sengoku's surprise.
• 14:20
  He's disapproving of Sengoku's methods and kills him.
• 14:24
  This is why we call him a thug.
• 14:26
  He's a thug, but he's got, I don't know, his code.
• 14:30
  Morals.
• 14:31
  Yeah, he kills Sengoku and then delivers Haruka to Kiryu.
• 14:36
  He's so disapproving of using her.
• 14:39
  Is it weird that I find that kind of behavior attractive?
• 14:42
  No, it's not weird at all.
• 14:44
  It's a red flag because there's so much moral to that.
• 14:47
  He's the type of guy who would, if he had a girlfriend, it would be like touch her and you die.
• 14:52
  But also very like, I'll hold the door open for you and call you kitten or something.
• 14:57
  I don't know where this is going.
• 15:00
  But it's like his willingness to protect the vulnerable like Haruka is and ask for a fair fight.
• 15:08
  I like that. I like that a lot.
• 15:10
  Ryuji is the best part of this game.
• 15:12
  And he's the only saving grace for the scene because the ridiculousness of fighting tigers and castles split open.
• 15:22
  Not just tigers, Ferocious Tigers was their official name.
• 15:26
  Really?
• 15:27
  Yeah.
• 15:28
  Oh, yeah.
• 15:31
  Also, why is Ryuji like five times bigger in size than pistachio man?
• 15:38
  Right. It's the camera angle too, but it makes him Goku look like a tiny little ant.
• 15:43
  Like a little pistachio.
• 15:45
  Oh, he got his shell cracked in this scene.
• 15:49
  I mean, I don't think we've done any so long.
• 15:54
  Do we need to do one?
• 15:56
  Yeah, we have not done any so long.
• 15:59
  The first time I mentioned doing it so long was later in this game, so I completely forgot.
• 16:05
  I think it's safe to say, though, he's a so long mother.
• 16:08
  Agreed. I don't think we've seen a single redeeming quality.
• 16:11
  He's just dumb.
• 16:13
  Anyway, okay, back on track.
• 16:16
  So Ryuji says, day after tomorrow, we're coming at Kamurocho with all we've got.
• 16:20
  Are you ready? And then leaves.
• 16:23
  And this is where in my notes I said, why is he kind of cool?
• 16:26
  He's telling Kiryu the plan.
• 16:29
  He's not trying to like hide anything from him.
• 16:33
  It is really cool. And it again, I think why we like it so much is also for the same reasons why we like Majima is that he's not afraid of going against the traditional norms.
• 16:45
  He's doing things on his own merit.
• 16:48
  And when he wins, it's going to be because he earned it fair and square.
• 16:52
  Then it makes me want him to be the Omi chairman, because like, honestly, he's kind of earned it.
• 16:59
  Kiryu apologizes to Haruka as well he should.
• 17:03
  And then Sayama arrives just as Kiryu is collapsing.
• 17:07
  And they all leave.
• 17:09
  Well, where did Sayama come from?
• 17:11
  Yeah, another question. Where'd she come from? Also, Kawara spying on them?
• 17:17
  Moving on to Chapter 13, Settling Accounts.
• 17:20
  We're back at Aoi where Sayama finds a note from Tamio that says her dad is still alive.
• 17:27
  So Sayama leaves to go try to find her.
• 17:30
  What is with this? Why would you just leave that in a note?
• 17:34
  Everyone needs communication training in this game. It is absolutely the worst.
• 17:40
  While she's out looking, Kiryu and Haruka explore Sotenbori, where they bump into an agent that really wants to represent Haruka.
• 17:49
  Kiryu has a meeting with him and eventually decides it's in Haruka's best interest to pawn her off on this agency.
• 17:56
  We as the player don't get a choice. I tried to fight it.
• 18:00
  Which I know I'll give you credit for that, but I'm so creeped out by whoever's writing these lines.
• 18:06
  Because this is what sex traffickers are probably saying to people.
• 18:12
  I feel like he's ready to sell her to the porn industry because he's such a creepy guy.
• 18:20
  Definitely a child kidnapper.
• 18:22
  Anyway, let's put him behind us and move on back to the bar where Kiryu gets a call from Kurohashi, the Tokyo PT guy, who has Date hostage.
• 18:33
  Turns out he is one of the survivors from the incident 20 years ago.
• 18:39
  Okay, so we need to talk about this real quick.
• 18:42
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but throughout this game they're saying the incident 20 years ago.
• 18:47
  Or like, it was around 20 years ago, about 20 years ago.
• 18:51
  But then on this phone call Kiryu says, who are you after?
• 18:54
  And he responds, people who ruined our lives 26 years ago.
• 18:58
  So now it's 26 years. Why have we been saying 20, about 20, this whole time?
• 19:04
  Because that makes a big difference.
• 19:06
  It does, and the only way I can make this math work is if it's been six years of suffering prior to this final moment 20 years ago.
• 19:17
  But maybe he remembers it more clearly and everyone else doesn't.
• 19:21
  See, that's why I was confused, because this game is...what is it?
• 19:26
  It just says, when we see at the start of the game, the 20 years ago, early 1980s.
• 19:33
  So I was confused how many years ago it was because of Kiryu's flashback.
• 19:38
  He seems significantly younger than his age in Yakuza 0.
• 19:43
  If it's in early 1980s, Yakuza 0 was like, what, 88, 89?
• 19:47
  So 26 years makes sense.
• 19:51
  So yeah, he tells Kiryu to go to the Millennium Tower at dawn and to bring Sayama.
• 19:56
  Anything else on that scene?
• 19:59
  No.
• 20:00
  When they arrive, Kurahashi's waiting for them.
• 20:03
  Date's tied up with the florist and other hostages.
• 20:06
  And he yells to them that the building is wired to blow.
• 20:10
  So Kawara and Tamiyo get there and then they're chatting with Kurahashi.
• 20:16
  Turns out that Kawara has had suspicions, which we knew nothing about in this entire game.
• 20:23
  There's plenty of opportunity for Kawara to kind of show some of his cards and what's up his sleeves.
• 20:29
  But no, we don't get that.
• 20:31
  Yeah, I agree.
• 20:33
  Kawara maybe should have done something about Kurahashi a while ago.
• 20:37
  But to each their own, I guess that's just his strategy.
• 20:42
  And he says to him, once I take care of you and Daijin, it'll all be over.
• 20:47
  And Kurahashi responds, you could kill a man with your daughter watching.
• 20:52
  Big reveal.
• 20:54
  I'm glad that is not about Sayama being truly a Jingwan.
• 21:06
  At the same time, I feel like I'm not that surprised, but I mean, like, cool.
• 21:11
  The buildup was kinda weak.
• 21:14
  Kawara is then shot.
• 21:16
  This is when we learned that for sure that he is Sayama's father and that he got together with the boss's wife.
• 21:24
  And then he gets shot a few more times.
• 21:27
  Kiryu frees the hostages.
• 21:29
  Kawara takes another bullet shielding Sayama.
• 21:33
  And then we see more events of the past.
• 21:37
  And before we talk about all that, how annoying is it that he got shot so many times?
• 21:44
  So many.
• 21:45
  Like, there's so many people in there that could have done something.
• 21:49
  Anyways, going back to the flashback, so we pretty much learn the woman he slapped who was trying to throw her baby out the window.
• 21:59
  That is Sayama's mom.
• 22:01
  We also learn the flashback that Kawara left for work for a year.
• 22:06
  And during this time, she was killed by the Jingwan mafia.
• 22:10
  And then her mother, before she was murdered, gave her up to Tamayo.
• 22:16
  I'm kinda frustrated that Kawara isn't telling Sayama more details about her brother.
• 22:23
  Just spit the truth out.
• 22:25
  Why withhold this piece of information?
• 22:28
  I know.
• 22:29
  It pissed me off too.
• 22:30
  They should have just had him die before he could answer.
• 22:33
  Yeah.
• 22:34
  Would that have been so hard?
• 22:36
  I feel like they're just trying to make us mad at every character in this game, to be honest.
• 22:40
  I'm kinda annoyed too because I feel like they're trying to repeat it back to YZ where Tachibana has to figure out what happened to his sibling.
• 22:48
  And so she's now trying to figure out what happened to her sibling.
• 22:52
  If we're talking about Yakuza 0, that was a complicated storyline as well, but it all came together in a way that made sense.
• 23:00
  And I feel like in this game, it's not really coming together in a way that makes a whole lot of sense.
• 23:06
  And I think it's because we don't really know the characters that well.
• 23:11
  Or there's too many of them.
• 23:13
  It remains a bit messy for me.
• 23:17
  But yeah, Karua dies.
• 23:19
  Then ends the chapter.
• 23:21
  I feel like if we do a Solong for him, I kinda want to put him a step above neutral as in Solong, Mother Respector, just because he took the bullet for his daughter.
• 23:34
  Yeah.
• 23:35
  And he tried to protect her.
• 23:37
  But his lack of communications skills and ability to justify his actions to protect himself, that is what made me feel like it was closer to neutral.
• 23:47
  I don't feel like he did too much. That was like totally outside of morality.
• 23:54
  But he definitely made some mistakes.
• 23:57
  But I think he generally made mistakes just out of desperation to protect people.
• 24:02
  So I feel like he's not a bad guy, but he's not great.
• 24:07
  With that, should we end it?
• 24:09
  Yes. We will finish out the last chapters of the game next week.
• 24:15
  Adacity on 1, 3, 2, 1.
• 24:45
  This is the end of the first chapter of the game.
• 24:48
  I hope you enjoyed it.
• 24:50
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• 24:53
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