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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: we get to know the Bengals new offensive line coach
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Speaker 1: The Bengals announced on Monday that they've hired Scott Peters
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Speaker 1: as their new offensive line coach. He had that job
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Speaker 1: in New England last season after being Cleveland's assis distant
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Speaker 1: line coach for the previous four years under Bill Callahad.
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Speaker 1: Scott has a unique background. In addition to playing and
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Speaker 1: coaching in the NFL, he's won martial arts World Championships,
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Speaker 1: trained MMA fighters, and started a company called Tip of
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Speaker 1: the Spear with the mission of reducing concussions and head
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Speaker 1: and neck injuries in football. I sat down with Coach
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Speaker 1: Peters on Monday. It's got a few days before Christmas.
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Speaker 1: The greatest offensive line coach in Bengals history. Jim McNally,
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Speaker 1: a line coach on the first two Super Bowl teams,
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Speaker 1: tweeted out a picture of the two of you with
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Speaker 1: the caption best buds. Ever, how did that friendship begin?
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Speaker 2: I wow, Yeah, So coach McNally got a chance to
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Speaker 2: play for Jim when I was playing for the you know,
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Speaker 2: as a player with the Giants and best coach I've
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Speaker 2: ever had one season with Jim and really learned a
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Speaker 2: ton of a ton of football and unfortunately didn't get
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Speaker 2: a chance to play two seasons with him as the
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Speaker 2: staff moved on, but finished my career and got involved
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Speaker 2: with mixed martial arts, which is another side story. But
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Speaker 2: Jim and I reconnected at the Cool Clinic here in Cincinnati. So,
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Speaker 2: and that was in twenty ten and just we probably
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Speaker 2: talked every day since. So coach McNally's the best great
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Speaker 2: mentor a great, great person, awesome coach. So you know
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Speaker 2: that's that's as a valuable friendship his family.
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Speaker 1: He's the only offensive line coach that Anthony Munio has
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Speaker 1: had in the NFL. My broadcast partner Dave Lapham speaks
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Speaker 1: clothingly of his coaching. Do you still hear that voice
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Speaker 1: in your head as you coach offensive linement.
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Speaker 2: I hear it in my head and I also hear
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Speaker 2: it in my text messages and my calls. No, yeah,
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Speaker 2: so I talked to Jim quite often still and yeah, definitely,
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Speaker 2: so great great influence and obviously great coach and still
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Speaker 2: highly respected by everybody today.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about another offensive line coach. You worked with
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Speaker 1: Bill Callahan in Cleveland for four years. Brian's dad, Zach's
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Speaker 1: college coach when he was a player at Nebraska, universally
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Speaker 1: considered to be one of the greatest offensive line coaches
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Speaker 1: of all time. How did you grow as a coach
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Speaker 1: from working with Bill Callahan for those four years.
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Speaker 2: Grew tremendously. And actually I credit coach McNally for making
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Speaker 2: that connection because he and Bill. You know, uh, I know,
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Speaker 2: Jim was a mentor to Bill. I got connected with
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Speaker 2: Bill through Jim and I did some work with with
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Speaker 2: Bill as a consultant. So when you know he was
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Speaker 2: working for the Cowboys and then he went to the
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Speaker 2: to to Washington, he would bring me around and so
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Speaker 2: built that relationship. And then when he had that chance
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Speaker 2: to go to Cleveland, he brought me in and I
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Speaker 2: took advantage of that, and I walked in there and
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Speaker 2: it was a lesson. It was a four year apprenticeship
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Speaker 2: from the yest. I mean, you put him and Gym
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Speaker 2: together in a room. I mean, those are the best,
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Speaker 2: in my mind, the best old line coaches ever ever
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Speaker 2: to coach the game. So everything from from from soup
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Speaker 2: to nuts with with Coach Callahan, extremely detailed and and
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Speaker 2: and the clarity is great. I mean, and just the
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Speaker 2: process that that he taught me, the way to look
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Speaker 2: at problems, the way to you know, kind of just
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Speaker 2: to do with all as a coach was something I
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Speaker 2: benefited from tremendously with Coach Callahan.
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Speaker 1: We're visiting with the Bengals new offensive line coach Scott Peters.
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Speaker 1: You had a seven year NFL career, ending with an
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Speaker 1: Arizona team that went to the Super Bowl in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. How does that help you as an
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Speaker 1: assistant coach?
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Speaker 2: Well, I can relate to the players. I know what
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Speaker 2: they've been through and I know what they're going through
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Speaker 2: and you know, having played it, it was always something
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Speaker 2: that that frustrated me. Like I said, McNally was the
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Speaker 2: best coach I played for. And I say best I
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Speaker 2: played for some great coaches too, not to minimize that,
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Speaker 2: but he was so clear about what he wanted us
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Speaker 2: to do. He gave us the tools, you know, the techniques,
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Speaker 2: the tools, and the way to to kind of go
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Speaker 2: about your job with real crystal clarity. And that's where
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Speaker 2: where I think I kind of model after. I want
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Speaker 2: to make sure the guys are completely clear on what
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Speaker 2: to do, give them the best instruments and tools that
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Speaker 2: they can use to be successful. So that's that's probably
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Speaker 2: the most important aspect. I don't understand where they're coming from.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to hear vague commentary. They don't want
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Speaker 2: to hear I need to block that guy. They want
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Speaker 2: to know how to do it and do it with precisions.
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Speaker 2: So that's something that I take a lot of pride in.
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Speaker 1: You made a reference to this. When your career ended,
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Speaker 1: you got heavily involved in martial arts. You are a
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Speaker 1: world champion and Brazilian jiu jitsu. What was the appeal
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Speaker 1: of that for you?
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Speaker 2: So when I was playing, I always kind of watched
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Speaker 2: the UFC and I'm like, Wow, those guys are crazy,
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Speaker 2: you know, And I watched it. I was entertained by it,
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Speaker 2: and I saw hoys crazy. He was a jiu jitsu
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Speaker 2: guy and he going there. And it was kind of
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Speaker 2: before the UFC really took off. It was when martial
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Speaker 2: arts were kind of isolated. They called it mixed martial arts.
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Speaker 2: But you had the the karate guy fight the jiu
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Speaker 2: jitsu guy. Well, now it's like everybody has all the skills,
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Speaker 2: but the jiu jitsu element was something that was intriguing.
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Speaker 2: How does a small guy beat a big guy using
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Speaker 2: these moves? And I had an injury one time, you know,
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Speaker 2: as a player, where I was kind of on crutches
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Speaker 2: for a period and I couldn't do anything on my feet.
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Speaker 2: So I thought, well, maybe I'll join a jiu jitsu
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Speaker 2: I was playing for the Panthers at the time, and
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Speaker 2: I go in. I'm about three hundred pounds and I'm strong.
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Speaker 2: I mean I could bench about five hundred pounds. I
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Speaker 2: walk into this gym and I get armbard, which is
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Speaker 2: a submission an armlock by a guy who's twice my age,
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Speaker 2: half my size. He's a banker. And I'm like, I
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Speaker 2: don't know how you did that. I couldn't do anything
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Speaker 2: about it to stop it. I thought it was interested,
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Speaker 2: like really intriguing and if you can kind of check
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Speaker 2: your ego and come back the next day, which I did.
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Speaker 2: I found it to be really kind of a fun trade.
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Speaker 2: It was fun, fun to train in and something that
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Speaker 2: kind of helped me add some time to my career
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Speaker 2: due to injury. And then it benefited me a ton
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Speaker 2: just from the standpoint of learning leverage, you know, hand
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Speaker 2: fighting skills, how to attack someone to you know, operate
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Speaker 2: from perfect anatomical integrity and attack the integrity of the
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Speaker 2: player across from you, so things like that, or the
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Speaker 2: opponent by breaking them down anatomically. So there's some benefits
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Speaker 2: for that. I learned that, you know, and I opened
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Speaker 2: up an MMA gym, which was a different a different
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Speaker 2: life after I finished playing and really wanted to immerse
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Speaker 2: myself in the martial arts because I was not an
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Speaker 2: expert by any stretch. I was a football player who
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Speaker 2: had an MMA gym. So what I did was I
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Speaker 2: brought in experts that I could the best guys I
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Speaker 2: could find from around, you know, the world, some guys
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Speaker 2: from Brazil who I trained with in the gym. As
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Speaker 2: I learned and I ran the business, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, the best way for me to
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Speaker 2: kind of do this is to go compete. So I
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Speaker 2: started doing tournaments and I beat some pretty top level
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Speaker 2: guys and one of the guys was Tommy Rowlands. I
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Speaker 2: beat him. He was an Ohio state wrestler, so the
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Speaker 2: winning I think they said, he's the winningest Ohio state
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Speaker 2: wrestler in history. He was a heavyweight, and I faced
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Speaker 2: him in a tournament in Las Vegas and I submitted him.
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Speaker 2: And so after that it was like brock Lesnar's training
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Speaker 2: camp called and all these different he was fighting. He
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Speaker 2: was a UFC champ at the time. So started training
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Speaker 2: with some of the top you know UFC fighters and
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Speaker 2: kind of got myself to like to a point where okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm qualified in the business and all that. But really
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Speaker 2: what happened from there was really had the itch to
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Speaker 2: get back involved with football, and so I had guys
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Speaker 2: coming in the gym, you know, with this new knowledge,
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Speaker 2: I guess it's more of a new approach to way
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Speaker 2: to look at things. I started putting some some things
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Speaker 2: together from a biomechanics standpoint, how do we attack someone
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Speaker 2: in football with football objectives, using maybe concepts that were
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Speaker 2: applicable in the different martial arts, which is just optimal
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Speaker 2: integrity of the body, things like that. So the mechanics
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Speaker 2: of the way guys you know, move and and so
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Speaker 2: so trying to apply those concepts to football was was
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Speaker 2: really kind of the method. And then that's where Jim
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Speaker 2: and I got back in touch, and you know, I
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Speaker 2: started doing clinics for them and Bob Wiley and some
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Speaker 2: other guys.
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Speaker 1: So I'm no expert, but it certainly sounds applicable to
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Speaker 1: offensive line play. Have the players embraced those martial arts principles?
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Speaker 2: They do, But I don't talk about martial arts as
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Speaker 2: much because you know, it's it's it's kind of a
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Speaker 2: you know, there's guys that talk about martial arts, and
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Speaker 2: then how do you make that transition? I think I have,
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Speaker 2: you know, an expertise in both fields, but you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't. We don't really discuss martial arts. Some of
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Speaker 2: the guys like talking about it because what they watched
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Speaker 2: the fights, but really it's more so just these are
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Speaker 2: just kind of things and principles and the way the
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Speaker 2: body of man mechanics work, and some of the training
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Speaker 2: methodologies that are applicable. And I'll make those comparisons, but
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Speaker 2: they do appreciate it. What is the strike system? So
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Speaker 2: the strike system is something that that I developed, you
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Speaker 2: know through uh, you know, kind of inspired by martial arts.
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Speaker 2: You know, when you're working in your focused myths or
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Speaker 2: mid training with a boxing coach, you know, he'll talk
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Speaker 2: about throwing a jab. Okay, well jab is a one
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Speaker 2: across as a two. So do two different strikes. You
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Speaker 2: have an uppercut, you have a hook, you have some
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Speaker 2: different things you'll do there, and and the coach will
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Speaker 2: call out the strikes with the numbering system we have,
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Speaker 2: you know, nine strikes or you know that we'll use
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Speaker 2: and these are just different types of strikes. You're using
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Speaker 2: different types of forms of contact you'll use. And really,
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Speaker 2: once you teach those strikes, it's you'll be able to
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Speaker 2: then kind of use an abbreviation of sorts. So when
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Speaker 2: I wanted one strike or two strike or three you know,
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Speaker 2: whatever the number may be, and then the sequence of strike.
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Speaker 2: So it gives guys real, you know, definition as to
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Speaker 2: what we're looking to do based on each objective in
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Speaker 2: the game. So whether that's a pass or run where
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Speaker 2: they're based on alignment, based on opponent type things like that,
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Speaker 2: they'll have the tools kind of built within. So that's
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Speaker 2: just kind of the way we communicate in our room.
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Speaker 1: We're visiting the Scott Peters. What's the first thing on
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Speaker 1: your plate in Cincinnati?
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Speaker 2: First thing on my plate just getting settled in and
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Speaker 2: getting to work. You know, we're still kind of going through.
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Speaker 2: It just took a tour, so so just excited to
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Speaker 2: get in here and then get started.
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Speaker 1: You know, coaches here play a significant role in evaluating
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Speaker 1: prospects for the draft. Have you done that in your
11:36
Speaker 1: previous stops in Cleveland and New England?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I have so. So in Cleveland, Bill, Bill Callahan
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Speaker 2: and I we would break down all the players, you know,
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Speaker 2: the free agents, the veteran players, and then we look at
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Speaker 2: the draft and Bill, you know, taught me his process
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Speaker 2: and it was a great process. And that's something I
11:53
Speaker 2: took with me to New England as well, and but
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Speaker 2: always had input. But I know here it's it's it's
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Speaker 2: especially important that the bent so the coaches are a
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Speaker 2: big consideration, So I'm excited about that.
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Speaker 1: Did you evaluate a Marius Mimes last year and if so,
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Speaker 1: what did you think.
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Speaker 2: I certainly did. I was very impressed, and I mean
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Speaker 2: obviously the physical talent. But I got a chance to
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Speaker 2: meet with meet with a Marius last year in Georgia.
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Speaker 2: Uh and I just thought with a great kid. So
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm real fired up again about the chance
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Speaker 2: to work with them.
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Speaker 1: What traits do you look for?
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Speaker 2: It starts with character and intelligence. I think once you
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Speaker 2: get past that, I mean, that's like a checkpoint. You
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Speaker 2: want to make sure you know to play the position
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Speaker 2: of offensive line. You want guys that have great character,
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Speaker 2: the good they love football, and then they you know,
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Speaker 2: they have the intelligence to be able to come in
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Speaker 2: and apply the teachings from the classroom to the grass.
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Speaker 2: After that, we look for for for measurables. We look
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Speaker 2: for things that they can do. And arm length is
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Speaker 2: one of the biggest traits that we look for in
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Speaker 2: our tackles here in Cincinnati have long arms and that's
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Speaker 2: it's great because you want to use use the length
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Speaker 2: to your advantage, keep the guys on the edge, creet
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Speaker 2: the width of the pocket kind of like a boxer.
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Speaker 2: A guy with a long jap can can reach out
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Speaker 2: and touch you like at a distance. It's it's very helpful,
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Speaker 2: especially against elite pass rusher. So that's something we do
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Speaker 2: definitely consider, but it all starts with those those two things,
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Speaker 2: like I said, character and intelligence.
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Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior is another guy that has arm length
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Speaker 1: and a lot of those measurables. What have you thought
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Speaker 1: of his NFL career.
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Speaker 2: I think he's excellent. I think that you know, really
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Speaker 2: excited again to get get to work with Orlando and
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Speaker 2: he's got all the traits and tools that you look
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Speaker 2: for in an elite tackle, So you know, fired up.
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Speaker 2: To have those two guys here is a real plus
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Speaker 2: and advantage because there's just not that many guys walking
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Speaker 2: planet Earth that can do those things, that have that
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Speaker 2: kind of length and and talent, and uh, it's there.
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Speaker 2: That's why guys are It's a coveted position, you know
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Speaker 2: in the NFL, is to have two tackles you can
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Speaker 2: can play long and can move their feet.
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Speaker 1: Is run game coordinator part of the job description for
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Speaker 1: you here.
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Speaker 2: That is not the title, but that's something we're all
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Speaker 2: going to collectively do as a staff and so looking
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Speaker 2: forward to collaborating with with the rest of the offensive coaches.
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting chant. In Cincinnati, You've got a great
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Speaker 1: offense led by Joe Burrow, but it's a pass first
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Speaker 1: offense with Joe and Jamar, that's understandable. How does that
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Speaker 1: impact coaching the offensive line?
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Speaker 2: Well, it puts a lot of premium on obviously protection,
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Speaker 2: so you you have to you know, you have to
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Speaker 2: come about it in a way where we take a
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Speaker 2: lot of pride I do personally just in the protection detail,
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Speaker 2: making sure the guys have the skills, understand the situations.
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Speaker 2: The scheme is obviously a huge part of that. But
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Speaker 2: but then the tools to be able to block and
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Speaker 2: hold up in protection against the elite rushers of the league.
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Speaker 2: That's that's what you got to do if you want
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Speaker 2: to win a world title. So huge, huge aspect and consideration.
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Speaker 2: Something that I think is the strength of mind to
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Speaker 2: be able to help develop those guys further in their
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Speaker 2: careers and they're to help us win.
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Speaker 1: What did you learn about the AFC North in your
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Speaker 1: four years in Cleveland?
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Speaker 2: Well, I learned that nobody likes the Ravens and nobody
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Speaker 2: likes the Steelers, you know, so, uh it was uh No,
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Speaker 2: I learned a ton and honestly, it's my favorite division
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Speaker 2: in football. It's a great rivalries across the league, across
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Speaker 2: the division, so familiar with each each side, and you know,
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Speaker 2: having been in Cleveland for four seasons, you get a feel,
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Speaker 2: real good feel for the way things work, and there's
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Speaker 2: been good continuity there across all four teams, So you
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Speaker 2: have some knowledge going in.
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Speaker 1: Did you talk to Zach or anybody else about possible
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Speaker 1: changes on the Bengals offensive line going forward for next year?
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Speaker 2: You know, we have not talked about that yet, but obviously,
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Speaker 2: like every year, there's always transition, always change, there's always
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Speaker 2: new people coming and going. So but we'll looking forward
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Speaker 2: to that discussion as we get get underway. Tell me
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Speaker 2: a little bit about the Tip of the Spear. Yeah, So,
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Speaker 2: Tip of the Spear is a company that I started.
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Speaker 2: It's a it's a coach is really more so for coaches,
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Speaker 2: a training program that we started after the gym. I
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Speaker 2: sold the gym and started this football company where we
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Speaker 2: would clinic coaches. And we did that, you know, again
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Speaker 2: from the NFL level, a lot of college programs and
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Speaker 2: then really down to the youth level. So teaching contact,
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Speaker 2: how do we you know, use the most meaningful tools
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Speaker 2: you know that don't involve the helmet. So we took
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Speaker 2: the helmet, try to take the helmet out of contact
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Speaker 2: the best tools, as we talked about, are not the helmet.
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Speaker 2: I mean you're not going to move a chair or
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Speaker 2: a large couch with your head. I mean if you're
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Speaker 2: moving to some and we move people with our shoulders,
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Speaker 2: use our hands. So that was a curriculum that we
16:17
Speaker 2: developed and it's it's ongoing. So Mike Pollock, a former
16:21
Speaker 2: Bengal player, he runs it now. So Mike's doing a
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Speaker 2: great job with that. But that was something that really
16:27
Speaker 2: did help help me kind of and it was started
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Speaker 2: before I got into coaching, actually, you know, working for
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Speaker 2: the Browns, but their tools are things that you give
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Speaker 2: coaches like here's here's a high level progression for contact.
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Speaker 2: So again it's really the same things. We found that
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Speaker 2: even the youth players and the and the top NFL players,
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Speaker 2: the biomechanics are the same. Positions are maybe different, but
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Speaker 2: a lot of the objectives and the way we go
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Speaker 2: about contact or are very much the same. So that's
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Speaker 2: that's kind of on a high level, what we we
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Speaker 2: do a tip of the spear and give guys really
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Speaker 2: just alternative tools and methodologies to be able to train
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Speaker 2: contact in the off season like baseball, if you want
17:03
Speaker 2: to get better at baseball in the off season, you
17:05
Speaker 2: go to the batting cage. You want to play basketball,
17:08
Speaker 2: you shoot free throws. You know, you can do sports
17:10
Speaker 2: specific training. But in football, contact is the is an
17:13
Speaker 2: art form, it's a skill. It's a high level skill
17:16
Speaker 2: that takes a long time in many cases to develop
17:18
Speaker 2: because of the lack of opportunity. So finding ways to
17:21
Speaker 2: get those skills developed in a capacity where contact isn't
17:24
Speaker 2: allowed with something we also major in.
17:27
Speaker 1: There are only thirty two jobs of the fit your
17:30
Speaker 1: job description. Why was this one appealing to you?
17:33
Speaker 2: Well, obviously it appeals to me because you know the
17:36
Speaker 2: Bengals are have a very good football team, and you
17:39
Speaker 2: know they're a program that I'm familiar with. It's exciting.
17:43
Speaker 2: I'm obviously very proud that you know the lineage here
17:47
Speaker 2: after Jim McNally was coaching here. So there's a lot
17:50
Speaker 2: that I know about the program and a lot to
17:53
Speaker 2: be excited about. I think that you know, coming in
17:56
Speaker 2: and having a chance to help get take the guys
17:57
Speaker 2: to the next level of something I'm really optimistic about
18:01
Speaker 2: and excited to be a part of. Welcome to Cincinnati.
18:04
Speaker 1: Great to have you part of the Bengals family.
18:06
Speaker 2: It's great to be here. Thank you.
18:08
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18:11
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Speaker 1: dot com editor Jeff Butch Hobson Butchery. Both had the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to visit with new offensive line coach Scott Peters today.
18:53
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, anybody who gets a thumbs
18:56
Speaker 1: up from Jim mcdally and Bill Callahan sounds good to me. Well,
19:00
Speaker 1: what did you think from your interaction with Scott? What
19:02
Speaker 1: do you think of his background?
19:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was impressive. The number of things
19:08
Speaker 3: that he's done since he stopped playing. He's he's forty six,
19:13
Speaker 3: so he's been done playing now for a good sixteen
19:16
Speaker 3: seventeen years.
19:17
Speaker 4: And you know, McNally calls him.
19:20
Speaker 3: We're talking about former offensive line coach Bengals offensive line
19:23
Speaker 3: coach and consultant Jim McNally, who's kind of has the
19:27
Speaker 3: same status as Bill Callahan guru offensive line guru. And
19:32
Speaker 3: you know, Jim says Peters is the best, the best
19:36
Speaker 3: of the updated offensive line coaches, meaning you know when
19:41
Speaker 3: it comes to the current day mechanics and technique in
19:45
Speaker 3: the game, and you know, you talk to him, you
19:47
Speaker 3: know he's got that Joe Jetsu Marshall ats background. He's
19:52
Speaker 3: a hands guy. That's what Bill. Bill brought him to
19:55
Speaker 3: the Browns. Bill Callahan brought him to the Browns. He
19:58
Speaker 3: as like his hands guy, but you know, he kind
20:01
Speaker 3: of had this Niche is kind of a you know,
20:05
Speaker 3: he was a specialist, you know, but you know, but
20:07
Speaker 3: he's been working with McNally and Callahan for years and
20:11
Speaker 3: Jimmy says, you know, he's he knows everything. He's not
20:14
Speaker 3: only a very technique sound hands guy, but he knows protections,
20:19
Speaker 3: he knows schemes, and you know he actually Jimmy's very
20:24
Speaker 3: famous Mushroom Society of offensive line coaches.
20:29
Speaker 4: Peters went there, you know, right when he was.
20:32
Speaker 3: Done playing football and not into coaching yet, but he
20:35
Speaker 3: would go and he would present, you know, he would
20:37
Speaker 3: present to that group.
20:39
Speaker 4: So you know, he maybe forty six, but he knows
20:42
Speaker 4: his stuff.
20:43
Speaker 1: What's the challenge for the new offensive line coach in Cincinnati.
20:47
Speaker 4: I think he hit it on the head.
20:48
Speaker 3: I think he said development, you know, to develop maybe
20:53
Speaker 3: not the first round draft picks and a second or
20:55
Speaker 3: maybe not draft picks at all, but you know, practice squad.
20:59
Speaker 4: Guy, back of the roster guys, you know.
21:03
Speaker 3: Get them up and playing. There's several examples of them
21:07
Speaker 3: in Cleveland. And I think that's I think he sees
21:11
Speaker 3: himself in the in the mold of McNally that way,
21:14
Speaker 3: you know, the guy he built. Jimmy built one of
21:16
Speaker 3: the great offensive lines of all time in Cincinnati with
21:21
Speaker 3: Munos the third pick in the draft as his lynch pin.
21:25
Speaker 3: But it was made up other than that. It was seventh, eighth,
21:28
Speaker 3: ninth round draft picks back when they had nine rounds.
21:31
Speaker 3: So I think Scott sees himself, you know, kind of
21:33
Speaker 3: in that mold and develop people. And you know, of
21:37
Speaker 3: course the challenge is to counter those you know, great
21:40
Speaker 3: defensive lines in the AFC North there always seems to
21:43
Speaker 3: be three of them, you know, and I think it helps.
21:47
Speaker 3: That's a big reason. And I take my hat off
21:49
Speaker 3: to Zach for going after a guy who coached in
21:53
Speaker 3: the division for four years and uh, you know, I
21:56
Speaker 3: think that's a kind of a nod to what he
21:59
Speaker 3: and Callahan did in Cleveland.
22:01
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to assume three of the five
22:03
Speaker 1: starting spots will be unchanged. Orlando Brown Junior will be
22:07
Speaker 1: the left tackle, Ted Carris will be the center, and
22:09
Speaker 1: A Marius Mims will be the right tackle. Do you
22:12
Speaker 1: think one or both guards will be different?
22:16
Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, they definitely sent a message
22:19
Speaker 3: in the month of December. They benched Volson, you know,
22:24
Speaker 3: at a couple of different points. And although I think
22:27
Speaker 3: he's a guy, to me, he's a guy.
22:28
Speaker 4: He's forty years in the game.
22:30
Speaker 3: You know, you would think he's got a lot left
22:33
Speaker 3: to you know, to grow. But if that's a that
22:37
Speaker 3: may be a sign they look elsewhere.
22:40
Speaker 4: And maybe they're looking.
22:41
Speaker 3: They don't have to have very fat a look, they
22:43
Speaker 3: could have their left guard and thirty four that the
22:45
Speaker 3: guy they replaced Bolson with who had a very fine season,
22:50
Speaker 3: you know. At right guard, I think Alex camp Cap
22:53
Speaker 3: has been banged up, you know, so I think they
22:56
Speaker 3: have to make a decision there, you know, can he
23:00
Speaker 3: get healthy and but I think that's something that they
23:03
Speaker 3: you know that they're definitely going to look at the interior.
23:07
Speaker 4: I think you're right.
23:08
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Mims and Orlando Brown. I think
23:12
Speaker 3: you know, that's about as good as you could get.
23:14
Speaker 3: Peters talked about that about how he's got a great
23:17
Speaker 3: starting spot with those two tackles, you know, because they're
23:20
Speaker 3: the highest guys to get, you know, so.
23:24
Speaker 4: You know, I think guides definitely where they're looking at.
23:27
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior, by the way, in the building working
23:30
Speaker 1: out today on Martin Luther King Day. So he's picking
23:33
Speaker 1: up right where he left off in the off season
23:35
Speaker 1: last year, which is a great thing to see. Butch,
23:38
Speaker 1: I kid you often about being mister run the ball
23:41
Speaker 1: guy in a passing era, but there have been ten
23:45
Speaker 1: playoff winners so far this year. They have averaged one
23:48
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight rushing yards so far. So I'm
23:51
Speaker 1: coming around to your side. Does some of that has
23:54
Speaker 1: to do with bad weather? Some of those yards come
23:56
Speaker 1: after the games are clinched, and that distorts the stats
23:59
Speaker 1: a little bad. But I do think that part of
24:03
Speaker 1: the challenge for Scott Peters and part of the challenge
24:05
Speaker 1: for Zach Taylor going forward is to have a more
24:09
Speaker 1: dependable running game. And I imagine that's music to your ears.
24:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great to hear you coming on board.
24:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll give you a leather helmet for that.
24:20
Speaker 4: But no, you know, it's funny.
24:22
Speaker 3: I always would say, you know, everybody says it's a
24:25
Speaker 3: passing league until about December tenth, you know, and I
24:29
Speaker 3: think it's.
24:29
Speaker 4: Uh.
24:30
Speaker 3: Part of the reason, I think is because these pass
24:32
Speaker 3: rushers and they're getting better and better, and so you
24:37
Speaker 3: just can't be third and long. You know, you're trying
24:39
Speaker 3: to get to third and two, you know, And I've
24:42
Speaker 3: seen a lot of that. You see you seem to
24:44
Speaker 3: seem see that a lot more in the playoffs, probably
24:46
Speaker 3: because the teams that there have these great pass rushers,
24:49
Speaker 3: so you're seeing them the ball run at least one
24:53
Speaker 3: of two times early in the downs if they don't
24:55
Speaker 3: run it on first down, they run it on second
24:57
Speaker 3: down to make sure. You know, like Josh Allen third
25:01
Speaker 3: and two, you can't stop. You can't stop Josh Allen
25:04
Speaker 3: on third and two now third night. Yeah, so you know, yeah,
25:08
Speaker 3: a lot of it's weather and stuff, but I just
25:10
Speaker 3: think also too, you know, when you're playing a guy,
25:15
Speaker 3: you know Lami twice a year, and as good as
25:18
Speaker 3: Burrow is, you know, you got to keep Jackson off
25:21
Speaker 3: the field, you know, and uh, these offenses that you play,
25:26
Speaker 3: I mean, you know you want to keep Burrow on
25:29
Speaker 3: the field as long as possible. And and you know,
25:33
Speaker 3: I think if you put him with a run game
25:35
Speaker 3: and any kind of semilance of play action, I mean,
25:38
Speaker 3: he'd be absolutely lethal. I mean, you know, he's you know,
25:42
Speaker 3: his numbers would say he's better than Jackson and Allen.
25:46
Speaker 3: So put him with a put him with any kind
25:49
Speaker 3: of a play action, and you know, you know, what
25:52
Speaker 3: are you looking at. You're looking at a monster. I
25:54
Speaker 3: mean he's already monstrous. I mean, he's already he's already
25:57
Speaker 3: thrown as you As I go back and listen to
25:59
Speaker 3: my Horde calls, I mean some of these touchdowns you're describing,
26:06
Speaker 3: you know, it's like something out of the circus, you know.
26:09
Speaker 4: I mean, so you give Joe Burrow a running game?
26:12
Speaker 5: My god, Well, I think he's got a good running
26:17
Speaker 5: and I think he's got a good running game too.
26:18
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want to just I think he's
26:20
Speaker 5: you know, I think Zach did a good ball trying
26:23
Speaker 5: to you know, with Eric Allen and stuff.
26:24
Speaker 4: I mean with Eric Hall.
26:26
Speaker 3: I think Zach had saw what he I thought Zach
26:29
Speaker 3: did a great job recognizing what he had in Eric
26:32
Speaker 3: Hall and Chase Brown and Zach Moss because I thought
26:35
Speaker 3: before Eric Hall all get hurt, he did a great
26:39
Speaker 3: job with formations and stuff.
26:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Chase Brown would have topped one thousand yards
26:44
Speaker 1: if he wasn't injured in the regular season finale. So
26:46
Speaker 1: it wasn't like they didn't run it at all. It
26:49
Speaker 1: wasn't like the running game didn't have some good moments.
26:52
Speaker 1: But I would like to see a little bit more
26:55
Speaker 1: of a commitment to it. Cut down on the number
26:57
Speaker 1: of hits that Joe takes, and help your offensive line
27:01
Speaker 1: a little bit more if they can.
27:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, when you judge
27:05
Speaker 3: the Bengals offensive line, I don't think you can you know,
27:09
Speaker 3: you have to understand that they're playing they're playing against
27:13
Speaker 3: teams that know that Burrow is their guy. And you know,
27:17
Speaker 3: Zach has said it's a past first offense. So I
27:22
Speaker 3: think that, you know, you've got to give your offensive line.
27:25
Speaker 3: I think it does. You know, teams aren't playing the run.
27:30
Speaker 3: You know, those edge guys, those edge guys aren't playing
27:32
Speaker 3: the run.
27:33
Speaker 4: I mean they're they are.
27:36
Speaker 3: You know, as they like to say, what pin their
27:37
Speaker 3: ears back, that's a good lap, that's that's that's a
27:40
Speaker 3: good lap thing.
27:41
Speaker 4: You know, lap Lapp will say that when it's third and.
27:45
Speaker 3: Eight or they're down ten, you know, but these guys,
27:49
Speaker 3: you know, I think they're always been in their ears
27:50
Speaker 3: back most of the time. So I think the offensive
27:53
Speaker 3: line really, I mean, you know, yeah, they got to
27:56
Speaker 3: you know, they got to improve. But I mean I think, uh,
28:00
Speaker 3: for a team that pass protects as much as they do,
28:03
Speaker 3: you tip your head off of the tackles and.
28:05
Speaker 4: The way Pitcher and Zach do the protections, you know,
28:09
Speaker 4: I think they do. I think they do a good job.
28:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if you look at you know, pressure
28:14
Speaker 1: percentage and sacks for a pass attempt, it was more
28:17
Speaker 1: middle of the pack. So If you just look at
28:19
Speaker 1: the raw numbers of sacks allowed and quarterback kids, it
28:23
Speaker 1: doesn't look great. Then when you consider how often they
28:26
Speaker 1: threw it, you realize that the offensive line did a
28:28
Speaker 1: reasonably good job.
28:30
Speaker 3: You know, listen, Zach put together the most prolific, uh,
28:33
Speaker 3: the most prolific offense in franchise history. So I think,
28:37
Speaker 3: you know, I think he's got to you know, I
28:39
Speaker 3: think he's on the right.
28:40
Speaker 4: You know, I think he's you know, whatever he's doing
28:42
Speaker 4: is pretty good.
28:43
Speaker 3: So I think here, I think that's why I think
28:46
Speaker 3: I tip my hat to him when he goes with
28:48
Speaker 3: a guy like Peters, who I think, you know, Peters
28:51
Speaker 3: has had an unconventional rise in the game. But I
28:54
Speaker 3: think Zach recognizes his pedigree and the things, the strength
28:59
Speaker 3: he's in Cleveland he wants to bring here, which I
29:01
Speaker 3: think is great because the Cleveland offensive line when Callahan
29:05
Speaker 3: and Scott were there.
29:06
Speaker 4: Gave the Bengals fits best in the league. Yeah, that's right,
29:10
Speaker 4: no question.
29:11
Speaker 2: All right.
29:11
Speaker 1: There are three big contract issues that every Bengals fan
29:14
Speaker 1: is talking about and thinking about. Jamar and Chase t
29:17
Speaker 1: Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. Do any of those deals get
29:21
Speaker 1: done before the combine. Do you think that's.
29:24
Speaker 3: What people are saying, that that is a you know,
29:27
Speaker 3: I've heard that bandied about that the timeline is a
29:31
Speaker 3: little bit accelerated. You know, usually we sealed, we see
29:34
Speaker 3: deals like that in training camp, you know, later in
29:37
Speaker 3: the calendar. But because they do have some, you know,
29:42
Speaker 3: you got to you know, since they do it, two
29:44
Speaker 3: of the two great receivers are both up at the
29:46
Speaker 3: same time. Do they have to get that resolved? I
29:50
Speaker 3: mean that's interesting. You know, do you get Chase done?
29:54
Speaker 3: Do you franchise Tea? I mean, these are all things
29:57
Speaker 3: you hear about. I would say, I don't know it
30:00
Speaker 3: has to get done before the combine, but I think
30:03
Speaker 3: there'll be a glory of activity we probably haven't seen.
30:06
Speaker 3: I think I think the date we're looking for is
30:08
Speaker 3: before free agency, right, what's that open match the IDEs
30:11
Speaker 3: of match match fifteen. I think that's probably maybe the
30:15
Speaker 3: date to keep an eye on where probably they'll be.
30:18
Speaker 3: You know, there might be a little bit more activity
30:20
Speaker 3: than usual with with with with with guys on their roster.
30:24
Speaker 1: As you've watched playoff games, hasn't added to your belief
30:28
Speaker 1: that the Bengals would have had a chance for a
30:30
Speaker 1: long postseason run had they made it.
30:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean just the way, just the
30:36
Speaker 3: way Joe is playing.
30:38
Speaker 4: I mean, I I think.
30:39
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you particularly look at the at
30:42
Speaker 3: the teams that have won. You know, this is the
30:45
Speaker 3: Buffalo team that they'd be pretty handily on a Monday
30:48
Speaker 3: night just a year ago, you know, and I don't
30:51
Speaker 3: think they're as good. I don't think their defense is
30:54
Speaker 3: as good. Don't think Buffalo's defense is as good as
30:56
Speaker 3: the one that Burrow picked.
30:57
Speaker 4: A pat that night. And you know that was a
31:00
Speaker 4: good Buffalo defense in Cincinnati in twenty twenty three. So
31:04
Speaker 4: I just look at that.
31:05
Speaker 3: I think they would have you know, I think they
31:07
Speaker 3: could have had their way in Buffalo, you know, certainly,
31:12
Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, I mean another shot at Baltimore.
31:16
Speaker 4: I mean, geez, they I mean, you know, I.
31:19
Speaker 3: Mean, it just makes you think how closely you know,
31:21
Speaker 3: they had Kansas City beat, and Kansas City really hasn't.
31:24
Speaker 3: I thought Kansas City looked rusty for the first forty
31:27
Speaker 3: five minutes. You know, if the Bengals had gotten them
31:30
Speaker 3: in that in that game, if they had gone him
31:32
Speaker 3: in a divisional you know, against the rusty Kansas City
31:35
Speaker 3: team and them being so hot. Yeah, I just you know,
31:39
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess the more I watched, the sicker
31:41
Speaker 3: I guess I get. I guess I can only imagine.
31:44
Speaker 3: I can only imagine how the Bengals and the coaches feel,
31:46
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I think it was, uh, you know,
31:49
Speaker 3: they're they're you know, they're clearly good enough.
31:52
Speaker 1: When Joe Burrow came out after the Dallas game and
31:55
Speaker 1: expressed confidence that the Bengals could keep t Higgins, change
32:00
Speaker 1: your opinion of the likelihood that that could happen.
32:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't know.
32:05
Speaker 3: It's still a numbers game, Hordy, But I think, you know,
32:09
Speaker 3: Borrow's got a lot to say in the organization, so
32:12
Speaker 3: obviously that.
32:12
Speaker 4: That, uh, that made me listen, you know.
32:16
Speaker 3: And I think that it's always been the hope of
32:20
Speaker 3: the team to keep them both, you know, And I
32:23
Speaker 3: think you know, they're they're trying, they're trying to make
32:26
Speaker 3: it work, and I it's just not an easy it
32:29
Speaker 3: is not an easy mathematical problem.
32:32
Speaker 4: And you know, I think they're gonna try.
32:35
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think they were gonna try
32:37
Speaker 3: even before Joe said anything. But obviously, you know, when
32:41
Speaker 3: Joe says something, people listen, and I, you know, I
32:44
Speaker 3: think there's urgency. There's urgency to get both those deals done.
32:48
Speaker 3: And I I think Joe. I think Joe sends the urgency.
32:51
Speaker 3: I mean, and I think you know, I think it's
32:53
Speaker 3: a two way street. I think everybody knows the urgency.
32:56
Speaker 3: I think Joe is just kind of expressing it. But
33:00
Speaker 3: you know, they still have to figure out. You know,
33:03
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to stop teams too. You know they're
33:06
Speaker 3: gonna have to They're gonna have to stop teams too.
33:08
Speaker 3: So I don't know, man, this is a classic. What's
33:12
Speaker 3: the answer and how do you do it? I don't know, man,
33:14
Speaker 3: you gotta be a I don't know if we had
33:17
Speaker 3: any I don't know if we had any double majors
33:19
Speaker 3: at Syracuse of philosophy, Uh, philosophy and math.
33:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, economics, advanced economics.
33:26
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and and and philosophy and and uh. But
33:30
Speaker 3: I guess you know, yeah, I guess that's called sports
33:32
Speaker 3: management nowadays. We didn't we didn't have sports management back
33:36
Speaker 3: in our day.
33:38
Speaker 4: Maybe that is a sports management class now.
33:41
Speaker 1: When t changed agents and aligned himself with Jamar's agent,
33:46
Speaker 1: did you take that to be a hopeful sign.
33:49
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think the whole. I
33:51
Speaker 4: think the whole.
33:52
Speaker 3: You know, when Joe said what he did and t
33:55
Speaker 3: changed agents, I mean, it just reaffirmed to me that
33:59
Speaker 3: every but He's. Top thing to happen is both these
34:04
Speaker 3: guys sticking together. I mean that that's the that's the hope.
34:08
Speaker 3: And I think, uh, you know, can't you wish it
34:10
Speaker 3: into reality? I mean that's the thing. I mean, it's
34:15
Speaker 3: it's just not a question of you know, if you're
34:18
Speaker 3: looking at this thing down the road with a you know,
34:24
Speaker 3: with a defense and special teams, how does it all fit?
34:28
Speaker 3: And I just think it's uh, you know, I mean
34:31
Speaker 3: another thing is you got to get the salary cap
34:33
Speaker 3: numbers too, before anything really happens. I mean, you to
34:35
Speaker 3: really get a feel for this thing. What's the number
34:38
Speaker 3: going to be? You know, And I I you know,
34:41
Speaker 3: you don't typically know what the combine. You know, you
34:44
Speaker 3: have to kind of you know, that's more of a
34:45
Speaker 3: free agency question.
34:47
Speaker 4: So but yeah, I think you know, Te's he's terrific.
34:50
Speaker 3: You know, he wants to stay. You know, he played high,
34:53
Speaker 3: he played through injuries. Everybody loves the guy. He wants
34:57
Speaker 3: to be here, he said it many times, and the
35:01
Speaker 3: Joe wants him back. But like I said, Kim, the Kim,
35:06
Speaker 3: the numbers match Kim, the numbers match match the the wish.
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Speaker 1: Jamar's under contract, Trey's under contract t could be franchise
35:17
Speaker 1: tagged partly to you know, extend the negotiating process and
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Speaker 1: try to get a long term deal done. But there
35:24
Speaker 1: are other guys on this team that we are very
35:26
Speaker 1: fond of that are truly free agents right now. Mike Hilton,
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Speaker 1: Mike KASICKI, BJ Hill, Team Davis Gaither. Any strong feeling
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Speaker 1: about any of those guys and trying to retain them, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think, I think, I think, I think Cody Ford,
35:40
Speaker 3: I think I think is another guy you gotta consider,
35:43
Speaker 3: you know, because as as one coach told me, what
35:46
Speaker 3: would have happened if we didn't have Cody Ford this year?
35:48
Speaker 3: I mean, the guys started at four different spots, and
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Speaker 3: he really stepped up in the summer when they you know,
35:54
Speaker 3: when they needed him the most. So, yeah, Cody Ford's
35:56
Speaker 3: a guy. Uh Gistecki, I think is a I mean
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Speaker 3: what better? I mean, just he walked in here and
36:04
Speaker 3: has sixty two catches and he looked like I mean,
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Speaker 3: he looked like he'd been playing.
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Speaker 4: With Borrow for six years, you know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, those are two guys that off the top
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Speaker 3: of my head, Off the top of the head, you know,
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Speaker 3: Davis Gather has been a key guy. He was a
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Speaker 3: key guy from Scrimmage when they lost Logan Wilson. He
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Speaker 3: would seem to be a guy you have to keep,
36:23
Speaker 3: you know, particularly you know, as a core special teams guy.
36:27
Speaker 3: I mean Hilton, I mean, you know, they they weren't
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Speaker 3: playing him on third down. Where does that? Where does
36:34
Speaker 3: that change? You know, you're gonna have a change of
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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator. So obviously he would have a say on
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Speaker 3: the Mike Hiltons of the world. But I mean, you know,
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Speaker 3: if Mike Hilton doesn't take another snap as a Bengal
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Speaker 3: well in a legacy, he would leave. So you really,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's it's tough to see a guy like
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Speaker 3: that walk out of walk out of the building.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a question for the next DC.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I thought the one thing, and Hilton
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Speaker 3: was big reason that I thought the Young Corners. I
37:03
Speaker 3: thought the Young Corners really progressed, you know, And I
37:06
Speaker 3: thought a reason was Mike was was Mike's leadership in
37:10
Speaker 3: that in that room. But really, if you're looking for
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Speaker 3: something to hang your hat on for this defense, and
37:15
Speaker 3: that's a that's starting to be a deep, you know,
37:17
Speaker 3: a deep room. Cam Taylor Brick played better. I've talked
37:21
Speaker 3: to some people think Dax Hill. You know, Dax Hills
37:25
Speaker 3: is one of the top defensive players on this team.
37:27
Speaker 3: You know, it was the best corner before he got hurt,
37:29
Speaker 3: and when DJ Turner got hurt, he was probably playing
37:32
Speaker 3: their best corner. So Josh Newton played well as a rookie,
37:35
Speaker 3: So you know, where does Mike fit into that?
37:39
Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: You know that's a I think that's all stuff that
37:42
Speaker 3: the next DC has to work out.
37:44
Speaker 1: What's next in the Hall of Fame process.
37:47
Speaker 3: We've been kind of sworn to secrecy on this one,
37:52
Speaker 3: so I can't even really set all all. I can
37:55
Speaker 3: really tell you Willie's in the final fifteen. So at
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Speaker 3: some point there has to be a there has to
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Speaker 3: be a meeting, there has to be a I have
38:05
Speaker 3: to make a presentation, there has to be a vote,
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Speaker 3: and then the thing will be announced on February sixth,
38:13
Speaker 3: on the night of NFL Awards. But Willie's one of
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Speaker 3: the fifteen, you know, god willing, he's uh, he's got
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Speaker 3: a shot to be on the same stage that maybe
38:24
Speaker 3: maybe Joe Burrow gets named Comeback Player of the Year.
38:28
Speaker 4: I wish you would be named MVP, but he's our MVP.
38:32
Speaker 3: But you know, I would think Comeback Player of the
38:35
Speaker 3: Year would be nice to see a couple of.
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Speaker 4: Bengals up there on the stage joining Burrow on.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's a glodsy night, that's a glitsy night
38:42
Speaker 3: in the NFL, that awards night. But that's kind of
38:46
Speaker 3: where we are when in a Hall of Fame progress.
38:48
Speaker 3: We're a little bit of purgatory right now.
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Speaker 1: Well, I know you're doing everything in your power to
38:53
Speaker 1: make Willie's case. You helped him get to this point
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Speaker 1: on a few straight occasions now, so hopefully this is
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Speaker 1: the year that we see him up on that stage.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're kind to say that forty. I think he's
39:05
Speaker 3: got a powerful argument. We all know the argument. You know,
39:09
Speaker 3: hasn't been a modern era right tackle elected since Matthew
39:13
Speaker 3: Slater in two thousand and one, since since Jackie Slater
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, And we may be voting
39:20
Speaker 3: on Matthew Slater here pretty soon. So that tells you
39:24
Speaker 3: it's been a long time for a right tackle. So
39:26
Speaker 3: but you know, like Willie says himself, everybody on.
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Speaker 4: That list is worthy to be in the hall.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's really it's really just the stunning, you know,
39:38
Speaker 3: when you're when you're looking at a you know, so
39:42
Speaker 3: many great players are really such a smart guy, you know,
39:45
Speaker 3: I think he knows, he knows how hard it is.
39:48
Speaker 3: I think he also knows it's just an honor to
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Speaker 3: be I mean, forty years in a row, he's been
39:51
Speaker 3: one of the fifteen.
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Speaker 4: That's quite an honor, no doubt.
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Speaker 1: All right, butch appreciate your time as always, great stuff.
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Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing you soon.
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