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Brutal serial rapist STUNS COPS, confesses to UNSOLVED MURDERS...Serial killer or grab for fame? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A guy now known based on DNAHV raped eleven victims,
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Speaker 1: binding them and raping them over and over and over.
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Speaker 1: Now is confessing to not one, two, but three murders.
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Speaker 1: Is it Real crime Stories? With Nancy Grace to land
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Speaker 1: Floy And he told me to undress. That's why I
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Speaker 1: knew he was gonna rape me. And yes, everything they do,
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Speaker 1: I want to try to save her. By the way,
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Speaker 1: sometimes coach my live and I feel so worried, scary
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Speaker 1: because I was thinking that he's going to Raby. I
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Speaker 1: heard open and that's when I knew my father was coming.
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Speaker 1: I can get to a fifteen. I heard musses. How
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Speaker 1: awful hearing our friends at Cold Justice Sex Crimes. A
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Speaker 1: long haul driver suspected as a Cereal rapist now confesses
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Speaker 1: he's not a serial rapist. He is a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen. Adam
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Speaker 1: Herbert's police have been looking for a man that they
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Speaker 1: called the clear Field Rapist, the man that they say
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Speaker 1: assaulted about ten victims ranging in the age from eleven
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Speaker 1: years old to fifty two years old. Today, police say
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Speaker 1: they have their guy, a man that neighbors describe as
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Speaker 1: a model citizen. His name sits on the mailbox in
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Speaker 1: plain sight, right in front of his run of the
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Speaker 1: mill house in suburban Ogden. And I saw Mark being
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Speaker 1: taken out in handcuffs. I said, that can't be Mark Burns,
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Speaker 1: a sixty nine year old man accused of terrible attacks
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Speaker 1: on at least ten victims. At this point in time,
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Speaker 1: we're not sure how many victims. If additional victims do
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Speaker 1: come forward with this case, that wouldn't surprise us. For years,
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Speaker 1: police have been looking for a suspect called the Clearfield Rapist,
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Speaker 1: someone who terrified women in the area between nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: one to two thousand and one. I would have been
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Speaker 1: starting law school in Alabama back in nineteen ninety one.
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Speaker 1: First time I became aware of his name was this year.
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Speaker 1: The details of each case are gruesome. I mean, see
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Speaker 1: Grace Is Crime Stories is a long haul truck driver,
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Speaker 1: not a serial rapist, but a serial killer as well.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. John Wagner,
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Speaker 1: chief of police at Warter Robbins, Georgia. Doctor Michelle Duprey,
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Speaker 1: South Carolina Medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation field Guide,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst, joining us out of la
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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, a genetic genealogist, the
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Speaker 1: so called Jean Hunter Cheryl la Point. But right now
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Speaker 1: to Levipage Crime online dot com investigative reporter Levi Page,
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Speaker 1: who is this guy? A long haul truck driver who
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Speaker 1: we know has murdered eleven women, now claiming he's a
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Speaker 1: serial killer as well. Yes, Nancy, it's Mark Burns, a
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Speaker 1: sixty nine year old long haul truck driver, and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he was arrested for a series of rapes that happened
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Speaker 1: during a ten year time span in Wyoming and Utah
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Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety one to two thousand and one. And
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Speaker 1: the age range of his victims, Nancy, this is scary.
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Speaker 1: The youngest eleven years old, the oldest fifty two years old.
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Speaker 1: So he's raped children and some of the stories that
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Speaker 1: have been released about what this man has done is horrifying.
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Speaker 1: In the year two thousand, a woman called law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: She said that she was asleep and she was awakened
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Speaker 1: by a stranger that had a knife to her throat
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Speaker 1: and he was threatening to kill her. He blindfolded her,
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Speaker 1: tied her up, and raped her. And then in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and one, another woman said that she and her
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old daughter were raped during a home invasion.
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Speaker 1: That he came into their home and he even made
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Speaker 1: the male members of the family watch. And that's what's
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Speaker 1: so scary. Nancy is the woman, the victim. She says
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Speaker 1: that she told him, hey, there are men in this
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Speaker 1: home trying to scare him off, and all that did
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Speaker 1: was sort of emboldened him. He went to their bedrooms,
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Speaker 1: got them, tied them up, and forced them to watch
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Speaker 1: the rape of this woman and her nineteen year old daughter.
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Speaker 1: And then this woman's son, who was a young adult.
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Speaker 1: He was working, He came home from work, interrupted the rape,
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Speaker 1: and the guy met him at the door with a
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Speaker 1: gun and then forced him to watch as well. And
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Speaker 1: all of the victims say that this man smelled of alcohol.
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Speaker 1: They even gave a sketch to police. That years went by, Nancy, decades,
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Speaker 1: and he evaded law enforcement until DNA familial DNA eventually
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Speaker 1: called him to you recognized he will molesting my mind,
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Speaker 1: pouching her and my sister giving him at that moment
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Speaker 1: I had a guy in my face, the guyn will
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Speaker 1: she might be my forehead, and he told me to
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Speaker 1: close my eyes. Did you see his face? Saw him?
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Speaker 1: Literally it was sick like that. He tied me out
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Speaker 1: with time. Did he blind folds you too, Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: was the first thing he did. He seems really cold,
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Speaker 1: he knew even know what it was. Kind of that's
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Speaker 1: probably what he was not. He got his clothes on,
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Speaker 1: he handed my clothes to me, and then he gave
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Speaker 1: me a kiss and then us whoa, He kisses her
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Speaker 1: and leaves like they had a date. You're hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends that cole Justice sex crobs. What about it, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, They don't wish some types of rapists who
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Speaker 1: imagine that the rape is consensual. They imagine that the
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Speaker 1: victim wants it. But I don't speak he falls into
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Speaker 1: this category. I think he would be more what we
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Speaker 1: call a sadistic rapist and an anger rapist. There are
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Speaker 1: two different typologies, but one the sadistic rapist gets pleasure
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Speaker 1: out of seeing the look of fear on the victim's face,
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Speaker 1: and the anger rapist is taking out anger against all women.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy, you know who this reminds me of a
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Speaker 1: is the BTK killer. Remember, he targeted entire families. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't just the one intended victim, and he took pleasure
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Speaker 1: in seeing an entire family suffer. And I think this
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Speaker 1: guy is also an exhibitionist. He wants people to see
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Speaker 1: him engage in the act of rape. And he also
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Speaker 1: has likes the idea that he has power over all
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Speaker 1: the men in the household. So I think the goodbye
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Speaker 1: kiss is almost like he had his version of a date,
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Speaker 1: like the most thrilling, satisfying encounter he could have according
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Speaker 1: to his twisted personality. Joining me Asky Wilcott judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: anchor Court TV at Asky Wilcott dot com. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of his Emma Ashley, how would you describe it?
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Speaker 1: First of all, let me just say black the thought
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Speaker 1: that he thought it was this gate And I believe
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Speaker 1: doctor and Marshall I have so much respect for and
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Speaker 1: I believe that's probably true. But I just almost get
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Speaker 1: stomach it all right, his m o I do. Here's
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Speaker 1: the thing we know about theereal. Any type of criminal,
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Speaker 1: whether it's rapes, aggravated assaults, murders, they tend to have
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Speaker 1: an m O, thankfully, because Nancy, as you well know,
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Speaker 1: that's how they're often identified, how they're caught, and how
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Speaker 1: you can prove that they've committed all of these different crimes.
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Speaker 1: Often so the MO is consistent, and that is typical
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Speaker 1: when it is one person doing the same thing over
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Speaker 1: and over. And so all of those characteristics that doctor
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Speaker 1: Marshall just described and said he was doing this and
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Speaker 1: the way he was doing it caused him to have
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Speaker 1: one motus upper end I, one way of operating, one
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Speaker 1: way of doing crime stories with Nancy Grace, all of
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Speaker 1: those cases shared similar modus operamies, such as the victims
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Speaker 1: being bound, repeated sexual assaults over an extended period of time,
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Speaker 1: the smell of an alcoholic beverage, victims living in apartment communities, suspects,
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Speaker 1: the suspect utilizing sliding glass doors, the use of a
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Speaker 1: firearm or a knife, and other personal characteristics and crime
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Speaker 1: scene evidence that we will not be releasing at this time.
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Speaker 1: It's believed that the suspect has committed additional crimes in
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Speaker 1: the Western United States, and we'll talk about that here
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Speaker 1: in just a moment. The clear Pool Police Department and
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Speaker 1: detect us from these other agencies continue to fall upon
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Speaker 1: additional leads. We also were informed of a genetic general
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Speaker 1: elogists by the name of doctor Barbara ray Venter, and
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Speaker 1: we made contact with doctor ray Venter and spoke with
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Speaker 1: her about potentially using familiar DNA or DNA to create
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Speaker 1: family trees and relationship to the suspects. Are hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends at Clearfield PD. That's a press conference on Mark Burne.
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Speaker 1: That was Chief Kelly Bennett speaking now a serial rapist,
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Speaker 1: A known serial rapist claims, Hey, I'm not just a
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Speaker 1: serial rapist, I'm a serial killer too. Why why would
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Speaker 1: you blurt that out? We were talking about a unique
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Speaker 1: MO typically attacking at apartment complexes through sliding glass doors
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Speaker 1: as entry, using a weapon be it a knife or
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Speaker 1: a gun. Repeated sex attacks over a period of time,
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Speaker 1: like sex attacking one or more victims in one apartment
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Speaker 1: over hours and hours, always smelling like alcohol. Before the
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Speaker 1: advent of DNA deoxi ribonucleic acid, we prosecutors had to
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Speaker 1: rely on MO modus operendi method of operation to connect
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Speaker 1: multiple rapes together. I recall one case I had. The
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Speaker 1: red rapist would always wear red clothing and would leave
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Speaker 1: his victim a red rose after the rape. Always attacked
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Speaker 1: in the summertime, always came in through an open window,
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Speaker 1: and attacked in a specific region of town, very often
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Speaker 1: making his victims then read the Bible after the attack.
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Speaker 1: But now we have genealogy joining me right now, a
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Speaker 1: renowned genetic genealogist, the gene hunter, Cheryl LaPoint. How does
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Speaker 1: it work, Shara Nancy? When we have DNA that we
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Speaker 1: can put in these databases to find shared ancestors. As
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Speaker 1: a genealogist, we can build family trees and we can
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Speaker 1: work with law enforcement to find leads to help them
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Speaker 1: find an area or a person who possibly could be
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Speaker 1: a suspect. It works exactly the same way we do
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Speaker 1: when we search for adopt the biological family. And this
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Speaker 1: process is proving to be very successful in solving criminal
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Speaker 1: cases and putting these perpetrators behind board. Sometimes the particular
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Speaker 1: defendant may not have his or her DNA in CODUS,
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Speaker 1: that is the National DNA Data Bank. You can get
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Speaker 1: DNA for a lot of different reasons, like if you're
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Speaker 1: a civil servant, if you work with the government. A
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Speaker 1: lot of times DNA or fingerprints are put into a
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Speaker 1: data bank. But Luckily, we have what is called familial
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Speaker 1: DNA Listen. For the past two years, we've been in
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Speaker 1: contact with doctor rave Venter. We followed up on multiple
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Speaker 1: leads and exhausted those leads as much as possible, and
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Speaker 1: continued to work with her in order to build family
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Speaker 1: trees that would link this individual to other family members
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Speaker 1: that were in the DNA and the genealogical databases. Most recently,
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Speaker 1: working with doctor ray Venter, we were notified of a
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Speaker 1: potential close family member. Subsequently, as mentioned in the information
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Speaker 1: of the warrant, we located an individual that was potentially
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Speaker 1: the half brother of our suspect. We interviewed that individual
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Speaker 1: and obtained a DNA swap from that individual and confirmed
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Speaker 1: that in fact, he was the half brother of our suspect.
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Speaker 1: Through additional investigation and that interview, we were able to
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Speaker 1: identify Mark Douglas Firms from Ogden, Utah. So, in a
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Speaker 1: nutshell Cheryl appoint, the Jane Hunter had its familial DNA work.
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Speaker 1: Familial d is searching the DNA that is found in
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Speaker 1: a crime scene is run through the offender data bank
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Speaker 1: and what they're looking for. Since they don't have an
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Speaker 1: exact match, they're looking for a genetically similar match that
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Speaker 1: may be a sibling, a child, or a parent that
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Speaker 1: would lead them to the perpetrator. You know, we are
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Speaker 1: getting this through familial DNA. How many women have been
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Speaker 1: raped by this one person? A long haul truck driver
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Speaker 1: charged with raping at least eleven women? How many more
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Speaker 1: are there? But he's not happy with that. He wants
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Speaker 1: to brag and claim that he's actually a serial killer?
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Speaker 1: Is that true to Chief John Wagner joining me, Chief
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Speaker 1: of Police one of Robins, Georgia. Why is it that
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Speaker 1: purchase behind bars have to brag? Well, now he's caught,
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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and our fame publicity out there while
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Speaker 1: we can. He had been performing the perfect crime for years,
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Speaker 1: he had gotten better at it, and now that he's caught,
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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and make a name for myself because
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Speaker 1: I'm never going to get out. You know, I don't
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Speaker 1: understand it. The desire to brag. Oh, it's amazing to me.
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Speaker 1: They can brag off a want, But what they're saying
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Speaker 1: has to jive with has to match up to forensic
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Speaker 1: evidence in an actual homicide. But now, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at Katsu Fox thirteen Adam herman. Since
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Speaker 1: his incarceration, sources across the United States tell Fox thirteen
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Speaker 1: they've linked more cases to Mark Burns, and not just
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Speaker 1: rape cases. They say he is now confessed to at
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Speaker 1: least three murders. One of those cases was the two
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Speaker 1: thousand and one killing of a twenty eight year old
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Speaker 1: woman named Sue Ellen Gunderson Higgins in Evanston, Wyoming. Her
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Speaker 1: husband was arrested in New Mexico, but charges were eventually
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Speaker 1: dropped as they realized he was wrongfully accused. He's going
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Speaker 1: to look into hiring private counsel. Burns defense attorney has
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Speaker 1: not responded to Fox thirteen's request for comment. She was
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Speaker 1: supposed to show up to a hearing on Monday to
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Speaker 1: defend Burns, but asked the reschedule due to a medical emergency.
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Speaker 1: To be honest, I think we're still trying to process
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. When we reached out to the Davis
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Speaker 1: County District attorney, he said he could not release any
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Speaker 1: additional information about this case. So far, Mark Douglas Burns
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Speaker 1: has not been charged with murder or any additional rape
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Speaker 1: charges since his arrest. Levipage Crime online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter what can you tell me about the murder of
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Speaker 1: Sue Ellen Gunderson Higgins. She was twenty eight years old,
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Speaker 1: she was a mother of one, and in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and one, she was gunned down in the driveway of
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Speaker 1: her family's home in Evanston, Wyoming, and police initially arrested
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Speaker 1: her husband, her widower, and then he was released when
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Speaker 1: they didn't have enough evidence to move forward with charges.
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Speaker 1: And if Burns actually killed this woman, can you imagine
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Speaker 1: the pain that that man went through being falsely accused
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Speaker 1: and arrested for killing his wife when he didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: That makes it even more disgusting. Nancy. Well, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute. I mean, I feel bad about the
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Speaker 1: husband that was falsely charged. Those charges have been dropped.
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Speaker 1: But what about Sue Ellen Dunnison Higgins. What about her?
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Speaker 1: Just twenty eight years old, married mom of one in
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Speaker 1: her own family's driveway there in Evanston, Wyoming, gunned down.
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Speaker 1: What leads us to believe that this guy, Mark Burns
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Speaker 1: could have killed her? Apparently, Nancy, he has confessed to
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Speaker 1: it behind bars, and that's not it. According to Fox
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Speaker 1: thirteen in Salt Lake City, Utah, they're reporting that he's
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Speaker 1: confessed to two other murder cases as well. We're not
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Speaker 1: getting the specifics on those cases. But if it's true,
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Speaker 1: that could make him a serial killer. And Nancy, what
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Speaker 1: about it? To ask you, Willcot do you buy the confession?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not part of a righte she was
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Speaker 1: gunning down in the driveway. You know. I really don't,
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Speaker 1: and I can't give you a good clear reason other
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Speaker 1: than my instinct. I just think that I agree that
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Speaker 1: he is looking for attention, that he's trying to make
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Speaker 1: a bigger splash. It's not amo, So I'm hesbants to
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Speaker 1: buy it. What about it? To doctor Bethany Marshall, what
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Speaker 1: do you think? I agree? I don't think this was
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Speaker 1: his victim. This is not his moo. He loves to
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Speaker 1: rape and kill in front of entire families after drinking heavily.
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Speaker 1: He has a certain pattern. This is simply not his pattern.
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Speaker 1: Now we know what is a pattern. He loves to brag,
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Speaker 1: he loves to insert himself into the notoriety of other cases,
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Speaker 1: and he has nothing but his memories to fall back
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Speaker 1: on at this point, Nancy, so we know that these
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Speaker 1: serial killers who can no longer kill, they can't actually
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Speaker 1: perform the actual crime. They start to relive again and again.
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Speaker 1: They bragg they talk about it. They it becomes a
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Speaker 1: part of almost like a masturbatory life as well, So
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Speaker 1: it becomes very enlivened in their memory. And I would
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Speaker 1: chalk it up to that, Okay, to leave our pages.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything actually connecting him to any of the
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Speaker 1: murders that we know of? Nothing other than a confession,
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Speaker 1: Nothing other than a confession. Crime stories with Nancy Grace again,
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Speaker 1: I ate on one say them they done in wass
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Speaker 1: in my home. I was nineteen years old. I was
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Speaker 1: already sleeping, and I heard my mom's voice saying, in
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Speaker 1: a little sun and wake up. There is someone in
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Speaker 1: the house who's assaulting us. He said, turned around the
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Speaker 1: look at me. So I just looked down. And they
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Speaker 1: went to my brother's room. But in my brother's room
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Speaker 1: there was my uncle's sleeping and we're not I see
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Speaker 1: the guy. He told us to go in and tied
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Speaker 1: my parents' room and I saw my dad tied up.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at Cold Justice Sex Crimes,
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Speaker 1: a guy now known based on DNAHV raped eleven victims,
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Speaker 1: binding them and raping them over and over and over.
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Speaker 1: Now it's confessing to not one, two, but three murders.
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Speaker 1: Is it real? We don't know the specifics of those confessions.
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Speaker 1: They don't sound like his MO. But criminals can switch
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Speaker 1: ms very often. Criminals are ruled out because the EMO changes.
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Speaker 1: That is not necessarily true. But to doctor Michelle Dupre,
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Speaker 1: South Carolina Medical examine or author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide,
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Speaker 1: if what he is saying matches up to forensic evidence
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Speaker 1: from the body, maybe he is telling the truth. What
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Speaker 1: kind of evidence would you look at on these three
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Speaker 1: murder victims bodies to determine if his story is accurate? Nancy,
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Speaker 1: We would look for a lot of things. Look for
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Speaker 1: the totality of circumstances at the crime thing. What was
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Speaker 1: he able to tell us about the general appearance. We
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Speaker 1: would certainly look for evidence on the victim, hair, fibers, DNA,
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Speaker 1: even fingerprints can be found on victims on skin. We
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Speaker 1: would look for anything like that. We would make sure
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Speaker 1: that what he said actually it's what we saw in
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Speaker 1: relation to the crime scene and to the evidence that
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Speaker 1: we would take from the body, and not only that
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Speaker 1: actually willcot For instance, if he said I shot her
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Speaker 1: in the driveway of her home, she fell that I
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Speaker 1: walked up and I shot her three more times, point
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Speaker 1: blank in the head. Okay, what if he said that,
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Speaker 1: and if those facts were not known, had not been publicized,
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Speaker 1: that would generally corroborate his story forensically. That's right, and
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Speaker 1: that's what I didn't mean to interrupt you, but that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what I was going to say. In the NC
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Speaker 1: is when you have those kinds of details, and that's
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Speaker 1: why police often don't give all of the details for investigations,
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Speaker 1: because you don't want everybody to have access to it,
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Speaker 1: so that if and when someone does confess, you can
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Speaker 1: compare the details give to the actual forensics from the
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Speaker 1: crime league. The details make the difference for a confession
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Speaker 1: an evil serial rapist now confessing to not one, but
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Speaker 1: three murders to leave my page, crimballine dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything and this guy Martin Burns's history to
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Speaker 1: indicate he could also be a killer? What do we
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Speaker 1: know about his criminal past? Nancy? He was a previous
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Speaker 1: resident of the state of North Carolina, and in nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy five he was convicted of rape and then in
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, after he was released, he was arrested
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Speaker 1: on a misdemeanor charge of voyeurism where apparently he was
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Speaker 1: a peeping tomue. Okay, wait a minute, run that by
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Speaker 1: me again. Okay, so the previous resident of the state
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Speaker 1: of North Carolina, and in nineteen seventy five he was
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Speaker 1: convicted of raping a woman. He was released in nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty nine and was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of voyeurism,
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Speaker 1: apparently that stemmed from when he was a peeping tom.
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Speaker 1: M I've got bad stories about peeping tom's. I know
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Speaker 1: it sounds somewhat harmless compared to other crimes, but in
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Speaker 1: every peeping tom case I've ever handled, those guys go
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Speaker 1: on to do much more violent crimes. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: curious to John Wagner, Chief of Police Warner Robins, Georgia's chief. Wagner,
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Speaker 1: do you believe this guy could be responsible for three
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Speaker 1: murders or is he just enjoying the notoriety? And how
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Speaker 1: can you tell? Definitely odd that he's speaking about murder.
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Speaker 1: You know, the rate demo certainly fits him, and even
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Speaker 1: from the peeping tom I mean, he's he's built up
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Speaker 1: to his perfect crimes and has perfected it to go
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Speaker 1: out and shoot somebody. Now, how you've you put yourself
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Speaker 1: out in the public. There's so much of a chance
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Speaker 1: to get caught. You know. That just doesn't really fit um,
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Speaker 1: fit his m O. You know. But but the police
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Speaker 1: don't put out all the information when we speak to
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Speaker 1: the media. There's there's things that we keep back that
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Speaker 1: only the criminal would know. And if he didn't know
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Speaker 1: these things when they went ahead and interviewed him with
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Speaker 1: the departments that had these murder cases, you know, perhaps
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Speaker 1: there was some information that that only he knew. But um,
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Speaker 1: but just just his uh speaking back and forth and
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Speaker 1: saying that he did this. You know, I'm not really
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Speaker 1: behind it. So why do they do it, doctor Bethany Marshall?
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Speaker 1: Why why brag behind ours? Well, let me talk about
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Speaker 1: the peeping tom if you don't mind. There are five
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Speaker 1: perversions in the DSM. Voyeurism, the peeping tom, exhibitionism, doing
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Speaker 1: something in front of other people like raping in front
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Speaker 1: of other people, frauderism which is up against an unsuspecting
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Speaker 1: person in public, sadism, and pedophilia. So usually when somebody
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Speaker 1: has one perversion, they have multiple perversions. And I would
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Speaker 1: say back to the breaking thing that could be a
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Speaker 1: part of the exhibitionism. Just like he rapes in front
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Speaker 1: of other people. Now he's bragging to anyone and everyone
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Speaker 1: who can hear. Look, this is what I did. This
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Speaker 1: is how I did it, trying to paint a picture
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Speaker 1: in their mind. Because as I said before, and I
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Speaker 1: was not just a throwaway line that this is a
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Speaker 1: part of his masturbatory fantasy, meaning that this is what
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Speaker 1: he does to gain arousal. It's not just to break,
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Speaker 1: it's not just to like get these board behind bars,
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Speaker 1: but this is one of his perversions, is to show
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Speaker 1: off the crime in front of other people. Also, he
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Speaker 1: peeped through people's windows because he was preparing to strike,
26:49
Speaker 1: you know, so he has to see what the house
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Speaker 1: looks like, and you know where points of entry are
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Speaker 1: and all of that too. Leave my page. How strong
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Speaker 1: is a DNA evidence he gets burned in the rape cases, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: It's very strong. I mean, there's no way out of
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Speaker 1: the DNA match. And you know, to cheryla point the
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Speaker 1: gene high genetic genealogist Shara, I have had cases where
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Speaker 1: DNA likelihood is one in a trillion likelihood that this
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Speaker 1: is not the purp one in a trillion? How does
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Speaker 1: that happen? Shara Nancy. When this DNA evidence is found,
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Speaker 1: they look for the difference from one person to another
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Speaker 1: and it can come down to very specific, specific DNA
27:47
Speaker 1: And if these cases prove that this DNA links these
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Speaker 1: eleven cases, they have the right man they like. The
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Speaker 1: detective said they would not have made an arrest if
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Speaker 1: they weren't certain that they had the right name. Crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace Troy Rawlings is what the Davis
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Speaker 1: County District Attorney's office. The prosecutor believes his team has
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Speaker 1: a strong enough case to make these charges stick, and
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Speaker 1: time will tell if our office can meet our burden
28:29
Speaker 1: approving beyond a reasonable doubt. The elements of each offense
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Speaker 1: linked to cases in Wyoming, Ogden Leighton in Clearfield, Burns
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Speaker 1: has been on law enforcement radar for years. They always
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Speaker 1: had DNA evidence from the crime scenes, but never a
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Speaker 1: name to match it to until recently, as a result
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Speaker 1: of technological advances. You can't match up a DNA profile
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Speaker 1: from a crime scene to a person if you don't
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Speaker 1: have that person's profile in any database at all, And
28:55
Speaker 1: so for years, a matter of fact, we didn't even
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Speaker 1: know Mark Burns's name in our office until twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 1: A press release, Clearfield Police called the sexual assaults incomprehensible,
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Speaker 1: brutal and methodical attacks on females, going on to say
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Speaker 1: Burns forced the victims family members to watch the violent
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Speaker 1: and repeated attacks, and Clearfield PD believes there are more
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Speaker 1: victims in their city if somebody does come forward and
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Speaker 1: they make credible allegations that can be investigated, vetted, and
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Speaker 1: we can make a determination. Of course, we're interested in that.
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Speaker 1: Law enforcement is always interested in that. Our friends at
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Speaker 1: ABC four News, that is reporter Brittany Johnson reporting. But
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Speaker 1: now this serial rapist confesses to murder. That's right, a
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Speaker 1: suspect in Clearfield serial rape coal cases now confessing to
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Speaker 1: not one, but multiple murders, numerous murders. This guy had
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Speaker 1: the Moniker clear Field rapist, although he raped in multiple
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Speaker 1: jurisdictions Rock Springs, Yming, We're vital City, Utah, ogged In Utah,
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Speaker 1: clear Field, Utah, Laramie, Wyoming, Latent, Utah, and more, sometimes
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Speaker 1: forcing family members of the victims to watch the rapes.
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Speaker 1: But since he's behind bars thanks to DNA, we now
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Speaker 1: know he is not only linked to more cases, but
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Speaker 1: is confessing to at least three murders and an unknown
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Speaker 1: amount of additional rapes. Curious, we know that he would
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Speaker 1: come in armed with a knife or a gun. Can
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Speaker 1: bullets in these murders be connected to one gun? And
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Speaker 1: is it the same gun? We know Burns was a
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Speaker 1: long distance strucker. Do you suspect out to doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall that there will be more rape victims than possibly
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Speaker 1: murders across the country connected to him. Not only do
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Speaker 1: I think there will be more rape victims and possibly
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Speaker 1: murder victims, but sometimes people choose a profession that allows
31:08
Speaker 1: them to act out their compulsion. So if he has
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Speaker 1: a compulsion to rape and kill, wouldn't it be a
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Speaker 1: perfect profession to be a long haul truck driver. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of anonymity going by different routes. Part of
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Speaker 1: the compulsion to kill is taking a great deal of
31:25
Speaker 1: time to select appropriate victims. So he has all that
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Speaker 1: time to think, to look, and to you know, select
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Speaker 1: a certain victim type or a victim in neighborhood. He
31:36
Speaker 1: probably drives through neighborhoods where he can see what kind
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Speaker 1: of construction there is. If they're sliding glass stores. What
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Speaker 1: kind of you know, economic level of families are in,
31:47
Speaker 1: if they're protected, if they're vulnerable. So I think his
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Speaker 1: profession goes hand in hand with a lot of victims.
31:53
Speaker 1: But do you leave my page Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. What can he expect if he goes to
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Speaker 1: I mean, granted, he'll be convicted, I believe knock on
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Speaker 1: wood with DNA, But what about the sentences for all
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Speaker 1: of these rapes. Well, Nancy's charged with eight counts of
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Speaker 1: aggravated sexual assault, six counts of aggravated kidnapping, two counts
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Speaker 1: of aggravated burglary, in one count of aggravated robbery. And
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Speaker 1: in the state of Utah, Nancy when it comes to
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Speaker 1: sexual assault, and if the perpetrator has a previous sexual
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Speaker 1: offense on their record, they can be sentenced to life
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Speaker 1: in prison without parole. And remember he was convicted of
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Speaker 1: rape in North Carolina, so that applies to Mark Burns
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Speaker 1: in these cases in Utah. So he's looking at life
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Speaker 1: without the possibility of parole. I'm very curious as to
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Speaker 1: whether he actually committed the murders. He is now confessing to.
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Speaker 1: One name that has come up is twenty eight year
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Speaker 1: old Sue Ellen Gunderson Higgins Evanston, Wyomi. It's definitely the
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Speaker 1: right jurisdiction because he has committed rapes in that area
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Speaker 1: including Rock Springs, u Laramie, many in Utah as well.
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Speaker 1: That would work. The MO is a little different though,
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Speaker 1: gunning her down in the driveway. M very very curious.
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Speaker 1: I'm really interested in the whole m O change. Chief
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Speaker 1: of Police Want Robins, Georgia, John Wagner. Chief Wagner. Often
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Speaker 1: we discount criminals because it's a different m O. But
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Speaker 1: criminals have been known to change m O. You're correct,
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Speaker 1: they do. They can change EMO as they progress more
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Speaker 1: in their career criminality. But in this case, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: it does deviate from what he has done. Um, you
33:59
Speaker 1: know with the new rapes. But in this case, could
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Speaker 1: have been that now he has he's been caught, or
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Speaker 1: this woman recognizes him, maybe at some point in time
34:10
Speaker 1: they had recognized each other. Does she now see his
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Speaker 1: tag number? Does she know what truck he's driving? Um?
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Speaker 1: It's been known that he brings a gun to a
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Speaker 1: to the rapes, so you know he had every every
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Speaker 1: means to kill this woman. UM. So it's not outside
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Speaker 1: of what could have been done, but it's certainly outside
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Speaker 1: of his EMO of um committing rapes. Yeah, you're absolutely right, Um.
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Speaker 1: Just because he's changing EMO does not mean it precludes
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Speaker 1: him from being the purp. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friend Adam Herbert's Fox thirteen. To be honest, I think
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Speaker 1: we're still trying to process the whole thing. We couldn't
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Speaker 1: have asked for a better neighbor. Mark Burns is a
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Speaker 1: truck driver who moved to Utah after getting out of prison.
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Speaker 1: He was convicted of sexual assault in North Carolina in
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. Do a model citizen sense who knows
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Speaker 1: his next door neighbors didn't know? They loved him. They
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Speaker 1: even had a key to his house to help with
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Speaker 1: chores when he was out of town. They described the
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Speaker 1: inside as spotless. We like to think that maybe he
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Speaker 1: wasn't living a double wife. We'd like to think that,
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Speaker 1: but whether that's true or not, we don't know right now.
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Speaker 1: Burns is facing seventeen charges and could face a maximum
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Speaker 1: sentence of fifteen years to life. We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes Stories, signing off Goodbye friend,