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Cancel Culture and The Fall of Hollywood's "Creativity" · Goon Tavern

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Goon Tavern.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is Jane McKeever.
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  SPEAKER_03: I am your host, and I have my amazing, sexy Latino.
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  SPEAKER_03: Very sexy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's an awesome title.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I know of anyone that has a better title than that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Or can even pull it off.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'm here to be discovered, not announced.
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  SPEAKER_03: Unannounced.
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  SPEAKER_03: Unannounced.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we were going to talk about movies today.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: And uh which, like, you know, Andre should we explore first, do you think?
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: The first thing that came into my mind was which diehard is best.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it's usually down to two, even though there's five of them.
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  SPEAKER_03: Please do tell.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think it's number one or number three?
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  SPEAKER_03: See, the hard part is with first ones, it's not that the following ones don't have something appetizing.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: But it's once you find that topping of your pizza that you enjoy, you always go back to it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I would say the first one, just for classical reasons, has a great villain, great ending, fun cast.
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  SPEAKER_03: It definitely shows its age, but it's still enjoyable.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think two is okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: People forget about that one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like Jurassic Park Lost World.
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  SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's not like a movie.
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  SPEAKER_03: The problem with Hollywood today is that they are addicted to not being creative.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's remake after remake.
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  SPEAKER_03: It just gets worse and worse.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like, at what point are we gonna hey, you know what?
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure we got about 500 scripts just in that janitor closet, but let's not use them because that's too risky.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Let's remake an old movie, make the cast women.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: Make the chicken gay!
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Put a chicken in it, make her gay.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Make her gay.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's amazing to me because it working in Hollywood itself.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I was in Hollywood for six years.
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  SPEAKER_03: I did production design and lighting and stuff and screenwriting.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's amazing to me how far Hollywood has just fallen.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's just disastrous at this point.
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  SPEAKER_03: They can't come up with anything original.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then when the Oscars come out, they usually pick like these movies that no one has seen or cares about.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_03: And they're like, see, we still got creativity.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're so amazing.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: Pat us on the back.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: We're we are a gift to humanity.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, No, you're not.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, you're not.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, not at all.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny with Hollywood as well because they want to plant pander to minorities a lot by usually casting minorities in certain roles that already exist.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then they act like, look, see, we're not racist, we swear.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_02: Don't you believe us?
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_02: We swear we're not racist.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think a little voice came through there.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there was a little bit.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's funny that it's true, they do that.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I've noticed there's a trend right now to they will have a Latino or a black character, but they're never black or they're never Latino, they're always Puerto Rican.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: So they try to check off two boxes with one actor.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's too close to South America.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: Can't do that.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, look, they're both.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: Be happy.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's a lot of that.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's just too funny.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, it's I think what's like pathetic about it is that Hollywood, with all its money and quote unquote creativity, as they claim to have, they can't even make new scripts that even have a black character in it, or Asian, or any minority.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's usually like this idea of like, I saw this really funny, these guys, and it was actually like two black guys online, and they're saying how oh the blacks are taking over all the redheads.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought, what are they talking about?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: And then they showed like Ariel, and then they're like April and Ninja Turtles, and like it's it was this constant list of these different like characters, they're just against gingers, every last one of them.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: They're trying to exterminate all gingers.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I was dying because it's sad, but it was true actually.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, get rid of the hot, skinny, redhead April that originally was there and put in the fat, lumpy black lady with red hair, because that's always attractive.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_03: Keep the hair, yeah.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_03: Change the skin.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: Keep the hair, change the skin, but it's what are you implying?
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: That only there's only black, flat, fat women that can take these like places?
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's insulting.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's this idea that Oh, if we're gonna do minorities, make sure it's an unattractive way.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why are they ugly?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're never hot.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_03: So who's really racist?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_03: Is the question.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's the same thing with cancel culture.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: We gotta get rid of Aunt Jemima.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_03: Because she has a bandana.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_03: That bandana is racist.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: I've seen many bandana, and that is for sure a racist bandana if I've ever seen one.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's like okay, even though she was like a self-made millionaire through the company, and now they call it the Pearl Mining Company.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, do they really?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's the name of it.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_03: Wonderful.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Which you could think it could be racist too, because maybe they're saying it's a slave work of Filipinos that go diving for pearls.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe that's something linked to it, but because I have a cancel culture wall in my house.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_03: I've seen it, and I'm very proud of it.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_03: I've documented it.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I basically what I've done for the audience, I have collected various cancel memorabilia.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_03: So I have a poster of Song of the South, I have Uncle Ben's Rice Boxes, and I even went as far as getting the boxes for the animal crackers still in cages because I hate PETA that much.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even realize that had been changed.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: We have to be fake to portray to the world that C, the lion and the zebra can roam freely together without being eaten.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_03: Even though if the zebra really believes such things, that would actually be very enlightening.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: If we all know the truth.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it probably is at some point there.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_03: Stop that lion to kill.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_03: Only white people can be poachers, too.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta add that into there as well.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: But no, it is it is funny because a lot of them don't even understand when it comes to cancel culture of a lot of these products, they don't even know the history behind these pictures, characters, any of them.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like the Lando Lakes character was an actual artwork done by a Cherokee Indian.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know that.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so you have it where they remove the Indian, and I saw this joke, it was a meme actually, because they really just changed the logo, only to the point of just removing the Indian and had the landscape behind it.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: And someone pointed out, like very funny, I might say.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, look, you know, they removed the Indian, but they kept the land.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, that's very fitting.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's kind of oh, this Indian on here that isn't racist, and it was painted by an Indian, which is pretty cool because there's nothing wrong with Indians.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know, maybe there's something about Indians serving butter.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: There's something really taking jobs away from the Amish.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what that means, but and so as a result, they just add another insult to try to subdue the racism of having a land.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's let's just get rid of her and let's not even change our logo because we're so freaking lazy.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: We just had one of our little interns that we don't pay very much at our company to just uh photoshop out the Indian and stick the land in the back and just smooth it out.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: Smooth butter, smooth butter racist.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh gosh.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean the other thing is you have uncle Ben's rice.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's another one that's been changed.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: It says Ben's rice.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: I guess having an uncle that's black is very racist.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: You cannot have an uncle that's black, especially an adopted one.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's amazing.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: All this happened after 2020, right?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, everyone went like a crazy gun spree, and most of them were probably like white feminist women that just were like, get offensive.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: Why is it offensive?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, but it is.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: We gotta get rid of it.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: A black person.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: Scares me.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm here to make sure that you, as a black person, feel comfortable in your skin.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's terrible.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's just it just shows us how silly we are.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like you even take the Cleveland Indians, okay?
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  SPEAKER_03: I can understand, okay, the logo is a little goofy.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's a little goofy red face with this kind of little like he's been drinking too much of the firewater kind of grin.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's got that grin.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_03: He does.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: And then you have it where they're like, Oh, we gotta get rid of this.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_03: But I can understand, okay, if you want to change the logo, but why do you have to get rid of the actual Cleveland Indians?
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_03: Why can't they be called the Cleveland Indians?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and then they get rid of what have they ended up calling themselves the Warriors or Guardians, or was it Guardians or something like this?
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_03: The Cleveland Guardians or something like that, yeah, and it was something to do with these gargoyles or some crap that are on the bridge near the stadium.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what it uh something of that noise?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's the stupidest thing ever.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's so stupid.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_03: The sad part is it's like really ignoring the history of it.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: Because the reason why they're called the Cleveland Indians is because they were the first uh baseball team to have a Native American on their team, and so that's why they called themselves that.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Look at that.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_03: So, what do we do?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, even though the actual name comes from diversity and having their first Indian, and uh, these white players are actually proud to have a Native American on their team.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: Get rid of it.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: Can't they?
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: You cannot show the ethnicities getting along with each other.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: That is forbidden.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_03: You can only show the fighting evilness of the white man towards all minorities.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_03: People come in.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you show unity.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you dare do it.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's against what they want.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: So do you um when did they adopt that name?
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do you happen to know off?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: I honestly I'm not sure on the date.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm assuming it was a while ago.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: It was it was like near the beginning of the it actually starting, actually.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: I know that.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean the Cleveland is a pretty old team, actually, like what one of the older ones.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: But the same thing goes for a lot of the other ones too.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: You have it where you can't have like Song of the South.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so Disney makes this a classic film with zippity doo da day with Uncle Remus.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: And these tales are written by a black man that was a slave at one point, and he made these tales of Br'er Rabbit, Br'er, and Br'er Fox.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so you have it where Disney made a movie which is connected to it, where Uncle Remus tells these tales, and it kind of goes back and forth between animation and live action.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: Very groundbreaking for the time.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_03: And so as a result, it was funny because when Disney Plus came out, they're all saying, How we're gonna have the entire Disney classical vault.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: All of the Disney films will be on Disney Plus.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: And there was this funny meme that showed Uncle Remus with this kind of look in his eyes, with his eyes like to the sky scanning.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_03: I doubt it.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_03: And it ended up being true.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: Even the ones that were on there that were sketchual, sketchy according to the PC culture, was like lady in the tramp because that's we are Siamese, if you please.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: So uh in the Chihuahua, yeah, you have the Chihuahua.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, see senor, maybe do the wall, yeah.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: So those were some other things that they put disclaimers before.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like this has stereotypes of ethnicities, basically, before because a kid watching that song is just gonna be like, You're making fun of voices, people, mom, mom! And the only reason why that would happen is if like her mom had like blue hair and half of it shaved and piercing in her nose.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: Assuming she has a child.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: That's assuming if it is her child, probably it's probably a surgot, but so it's just laughable because in a way you have eliminated a lot of minorities from any type of like food product.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: But we still have lucky charms.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Thank God.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: Irish we still have lucky.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, they're always having me lucky charms.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, those bastards, they're always after it.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm wondering.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because you mentioned a lot of history here, and that history really clears things up.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think these people are just completely unaware of the history, or are they intentionally trying to destroy it?
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I don't know if it's like really intentionally destroy history per se, but it is definitely a common occurrence with even Americans.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_03: We are very ignorant of our own history.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: And we don't read up on it.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we always look at, and if we do look at history, it's always through the lens of the modern eyes, which I think is sure, we can look at it through the modern eyes of, oh, we don't want to do that or we don't want to go back to that.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: I get that and I agree with that.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: I think where it gets problematic though is where we make assumptions of history that we were never there or even understand it completely.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh a good example that I had is if, for instance, like if you like Stonewall Jackson, who was a general of the Confederate Army during the Civil War, very religious man, believed in God, like very devout Christian, and his slave requested to be buried next to him.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: I can't comprehend or understand why that would be.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like to me, I would be like, why would a slave want to be buried next to his master?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: But there is also this constant bombardment of one part of history that is blanketed throughout the entire South and slavery itself, that all slave masters beat their slaves, were cruel to them, treated them terribly.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, when I say this, the first thing that everyone says is, Are you saying that slavery was good?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Are you saying that you like it, that black people were mistreated?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not what I'm saying.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_03: But the thing is that it's just the idea that we have to like acknowledge the fact that not everything was as we thought it was.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: And there are things of even history that we can scratch our head and be like, I don't get it.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's fair, but I think a lot of times, like we we look at history too much through a modern lens.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, even like George Washington, like he had slaves, but like I reading his bio himself, he treated his slaves very well.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: Does that mean it was right for him to own slaves?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_03: No, and I can even and I can even point out the hypocrisy of George Washington too, because in his writings, he was very political, as any politician does, is like depending on who he's talking to, he was more honest with.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: He really had a lot of problems personally in his own diaries of slavery itself and was wrestling with it, like, hey, this isn't right, but I have slaves, how do I deal with this?
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: And you also can understand that there was laws in place that you couldn't just free slaves just on a dime either.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like that.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: And if you did, then the other problem would be that they could go and leave, but someone, because of how hostile it was towards blacks at the time, they would be either thrown in as a slave somewhere else if you let them go and maybe be treated worse.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: So even the idea of slavery until it came to the point where it was law that hey, you can't have slaves anywhere, there still was that risk, even to slaves that were freed, that they could possibly be put back into slavery or maybe in a worse situation.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I'm not saying that's right, but it just obviously points out that we tend to think, oh, it should always just be why don't you just free free your slaves?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you could.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: But you got to think of it too, like back then, it's almost like the same as if someone gets out of jail.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like to go back into society and have it where you reassimulate and you get a job and you figure that that it was that way for the slaves as well.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: It was very difficult.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like, oh, I'll just go get myself some land and I'll start all over from scratch.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't something that was going to be done easily.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not what I'm thinking with some of these slaves who are like, oh, I'm gonna be buried with this guy.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like maybe maybe he's institutionalized at that point.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_03: It it could be that too, but from the right, even some of the the diary of Stonel Jackson's slave, he spoke very highly of Jackson as a person and a human being.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: So it's one of those things like I can't comprehend it either.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: You even have in Fed a Frederick Frederick Douglass's uh bio, you have it where he actually ends up near the end of his life, he goes to meet his former master who's sick and dying.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: And uh it's a very emotional and uh awkward meeting between his former master and him.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and this is Frederick Douglass who has gotten to the point of talking to Abraham Lincoln, part of the abolition and stuff, like such a cool read Frederick Douglass's bio, it is incredible.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I mean, that's definitely a I don't think they would do it correctly because his view of America itself like just doesn't fit the narrative today.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: Oh boy because uh Frederick Douglass was highly believed in the construct of the Constitution that the Constitution, without it be written the way it was, slavery to free the slaves, it wouldn't exist without the Constitution.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: So a lot of people that usually criticize the founding fathers of, hey, why don't you just put in there to free the slaves?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: It was because you couldn't have the country even start if you started that way.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: There was no way that America would become that way if you started first of all.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta free your slaves, so it's the south wouldn't sign on board.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: And if that was the case, it wouldn't even happen.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: America wouldn't have happened, and also freeing the slaves would never happen either because you would just have it north and south, but then that got sorted out later through history.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: But the meeting with Frederick Douglass and his former slave masters when they were talking is like his slave master even turned to Douglas and says, Douglass, I knew that you were too smart to be a slave, is how he talked to him.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: And there's this moment where it's just awkward, but like Frederick Douglass ends up forgiving him, and there's this like reconciliation with his former master.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_03: And Douglas talks about his faith of forgiveness through the gospel and his faith in God and Christianity, and that's something that today, like, there's a lack of.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: There is no forgiveness, like, racism is the unforgivable sin, but it's not underforgivable if you believe in Christ, and that's where the world can't comprehend the idea of like, how could you forgive such atrocity?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: But that's the whole beauty of the gospel and Christ.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you have it where Frederick Douglass is able to do such an amazing, graceful gesture to his former master who treated him terribly, and yet there's also this.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta add this too, because it's it's very beautiful in terms of and convicting, even if it doesn't matter what ethnicity you are in terms of laziness and intellectualism, is that there's a part where he ends up getting beat because he was spying on the daughter as she was learning to read.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_03: And it talks about how in his diaries he writes down how, and that night I lay down on my bleeding back, longing to understand how what how to use the L.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, he's talking about like the letter L.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: And it's that is amazing to me.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's sad, and at the same time, it's amazing that his longing to be not ignorant, he would go to the fact of being beaten to find out how the alphabet worked.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then today we're just like, I want to read this stuff.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: This is so hard.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: Gosh, they don't do anything today, they don't do Latin, they don't do Greek, like they are so stupid today.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's amazing.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's and they have all the knowledge in the world at their fingertips, and they're dumber than ever.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: So ignorant.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's I mean, why do you think that is too?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's like we have like, why do you think it is today?
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because I know it's easy to be like, this generation is so stupid.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: But why do you think it is that today we have all the information in the world at our fingertips, AIs about her make that even crazier?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: But yet we're still ignorant of so many things.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's because and I don't just want to say, oh, this generation, it's a human thing.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're about ourselves, and I think you just see more and more of people who just want to maximize their own their life, their pleasure, their ease, and so they'll do whatever they need to do to learn about what maximizes that selfish pleasure and ease and things like that.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: But outside, learning about history or whatever it is, if it doesn't because it doesn't really direct their it impact their lives directly.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why they're not that motivated to do it.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's my that's what I think about it.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: And because it's like that little bread and circuses.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: People have the bread, they've got the circuit, they've got the Netflix, they've got the drugs, they've got the sex.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: If they can get that, then they're happy.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they don't really need to look into other things.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: So it's almost the idea because they don't see the value in it, there's no point in understanding it.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I see.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, and I can understand that too.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like, there I cause I'll admit I I do that sometimes.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: If there's something that I don't think is gonna benefit me directly, yeah, um, why should I know it?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't know, i in my life, I I like the idea of experiencing things, even if I might not 100% like it per se.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like I have some friends that are into aviation and they'll start talking about aviation and how aerodynamics work and stuff, and I'm like, it just goes like right over my head.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, okay, good for you, dude.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm glad you like to fly.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: I like flying, it's cool.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but their passion of it and how they explain it, I'm just like, but it's one of those things too.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's it would be cool to learn to fly.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_03: It might be useful one day if you're ever in a plane and the pilot knocks dead or passes out.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: And here's their pilot on the plane.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: I have about two weeks training, you're hired.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: I've waited my whole life for this.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: Tommy Boy is gonna hit you in the back of the head with the attack hammer because you're a retard.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: But uh no, I mean, but the thing is sometimes I don't know if it's just the idea of knowledge and to not be ignorant about something, especially it's very easy when you've grown up in either a conservative or a more liberal background.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's very easy to take its face value.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: I believe this because I've always been this.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: Even in religion, you can do the same thing and argue that as well.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, one thing that my parents always taught me is hey, know what you believe and why.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: Don't just like my dad, when I used to say something that I was staunch or believer on, he would push back and say, Well, how do you know that's true?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and I don't think we do that enough with our kids.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think we just like this whole like you do you and your truth is your truth, and uh what's that other stupid phrase that I don't like?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: I like uh to each his own.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's another stupid one I don't like.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: Anyone who uses that should be buried with his own pudding with a steak upon his heart, like Scrooge said.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's like that's a bit extreme.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Can I get you?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe it's a little extreme, just a little bit, just a little bit.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh but I think we got a little octave like with movies.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_03: We started with movies, but we kind of went all over the place.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: But do you think here's a good question Do you think that because it seems today, because I don't even go to the movies that much anymore.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: And it's sad because like I have the monthly subscription where I get a movie ticket every month.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: I have 13 piled up right now.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's cool that they don't expire, I'm assuming.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: They don't.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if I end the subscription, I think it's 180 days they're good for.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I have to use them by then after I cancel it.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm close to canceling because I'm like, you know what?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: These movies suck.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: The movies suck.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: There's not a lot of movies where I'm like, oh, I gotta go see that.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: There's a few.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to think of what was the last movie I saw.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was Reagan I went and saw in the theater.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: That was the last one, I think.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: But it wasn't like one of those ones where it's oh, this is explosions, it's just a drama film.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: And it was done pretty well.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: Dennis Quaid did a pretty good job, I thought.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: I like it.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Million Dollar Smile on that guy.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: The last two movies I went to see were re-releases.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I went to see Revenge of the Sith.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean rehashes.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you should call it.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was Revenge of the Sith.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: So 20 years saw it with friends.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: I only go with a group of friends.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I went to see that.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever gone to a movie by yourself really?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's like serial killer behavior.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: I know, but the thing is, I've done it twice to see what it's like.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: How many people have you killed?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: I felt no, I haven't.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: At least two.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: Not yet.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it's getting close, but no, I felt dirty afterwards, and I don't know why.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: It was like it's I kept on turning to the right and left, and I was like, oh, I can't make sarcastic remarks to strangers.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna get mad at me.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: So what movies were they?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember actually.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: They probably were dirty.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, one was solo because I saw that in Vegas.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: I went and saw that by myself.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: Which I thought was pretty good.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: I actually liked it.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: But it was still that same thing that Disney is like, no, you don't understand.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: See, the villain is just misunderstood.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: She's not a psychotic maniac that likes to skin dogs.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: She was just mistreated.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Every time.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why she ended up being bad and you should feel sorry for her.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, she's a psycho.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: And she likes to skin dogs for coats.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: Which I have to admit, like a Dalmatian coat would look cool.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Is she really that bad then?
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe not.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, because like people think that dogs are like you can't kill a dog ever.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Michael Vick.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's just the thing is it's like here's the thing, okay?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: I love dogs, but why is it like if you like what if it was reversed?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: What if everyone had like a pet cow just like dogs, and everyone went walking their dog?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: Just would that actually change anything?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: A perspective that people would be like, no, you can't eat that steak, that's terrible.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: Would it really change the perspective?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's interesting.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: Because, like, why did we choose the dog over?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: Is it just because I'll think of it the right now?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know now, I don't know if cows fetch.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_03: I've never tried, but I do know they like to lick, that's for sure.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: And dude, getting licked by a cow compared to a dog, dude, it's like a bath, it's like a bath, dude.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty nasty.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, you ever kind of wonder that?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, why did we choose this animal to be our pet and not I think the question is, why did they choose us?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Did they?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think they did.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's what it is.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it came down to the first, you know, caveman who gave scraps to a wolf, and then that just did it.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: It was over.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: Ever since then?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Ever since then, they're just like, oh, man gives treat.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have to work as hard.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: Deal.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'll lick your face two times for every treat.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: But no, it is interesting though.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: I still think it'd be quite hilarious though if people were walking around cows.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: That'd love that.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like a pet.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: There'd be more poop, maybe.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't see those little small neon bags that people use and they just leave randomly.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: You ever see that on the trails?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: Where they just leave it at the trails?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: What are you doing?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I picked it up.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: I bagged it.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you did.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it's, I mean, I guess the idea is that they leave it there and then they pick it up when they come back.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's how they do it.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's not I hope so.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: I hope they don't just leave it there.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's disgusting.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: So back to Cruella de Ville.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Cruella de Ville.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody needs 101 Dalmatians.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that's all right.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I'll say.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: You need 201 to make a better coat.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever it takes to make a coat is all you need.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: I well, the th the funny thing about that too is that the the was it, Horace and Jasper, I think, are the two bad guys.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like what they make a good point.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: They say you couldn't get uh half a dozen fur coats from like how many they had or whatever.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: But if they let them grow, you would have more fur hide to go around to make more coats, you know.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: These entrepreneurs.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: I know, it's because they portray them in the movie like these two idiots, they're lunkheads, they don't know what they're doing, kind of thing.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I think he calls the maid ducky, which I don't quite get that way.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: English.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: It must be a for all our English listeners out there.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you can tell us what ducky means.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe that's a there is dodgy.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: I remember one time, I think it was I don't know which PM it was.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: He called a Cameron uh oh yeah, he called him dodgy Dave.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Dodgy Dave.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and he got called on the carpet like in front of Parliament.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, sir, that's illegal, you cannot use that word.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: And then the other PM's like, what word?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, starting with D, ending in dog.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: He is, yeah.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: And then it was funny is he gets scolded and then he gets up again because he gets the floor.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, I still think he's dodgy dave, and then no one's like, Oh, Parliament is great to watch.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the could you imagine if the president had to be on the spot, like answering questions from Congress on the fly?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they wouldn't survive.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, of course, Congress keeps everyone else in check except the pre like themselves.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: So although the UK isn't a mess, too.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's a whole nother episode for those.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's another episode.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's definitely a whole nother episode for those guys for sure.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: But um, no, I I was thinking of this.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: Here's a good question.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think that Hollywood is gonna come back like to because there's still light at the end of the tunnel that there might be another era just like there was for the 90s, the 80s was a good time for film?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: You have older periods as well, the 50s, there was a lot of good classics.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: The 60s and 70s are a little dark, and then you had Star Wars that kind of lifted out of the ashes.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think with Hollywood?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think that there is gonna be something like that?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: Because it seems like a lot of Hollywood right now is reeling back the wokism and realizing that oh, no one's buying our crap anymore and we're losing billions and billions of dollars.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think they're gonna do with that?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think they want to make money, of course.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: So if it takes making things that maybe they don't love, maybe it's not as woke as they'd like it to be, but it's what's making them money, they're gonna go for money.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: And people are voting with their wallets, finally.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it takes conservatives a long time to do that.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_03: They really do eating garbage for a long time until they realize, like, oh wait a second.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's you know what it's garbage, it's kind of like in ratitude where his brother's eating the piece of crap or whatever, and he's rat, what are you eating?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, I don't really know.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: And that's like how it's been with movies for a quite a long time.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_03: Although I think most of us, not maybe most of us, but we kind of use realize we were being fed crap after like the 20,000th Transformer, Fast and the Furious, what are they up to?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like 10, 20,000 now or something.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: I think they're in competition with Lamb Before Times, aren't they up to 14?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: Something like that.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like that littlefoot, dude, stay away from him.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: He just gets in a lot of trouble.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's stupid.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you have to admit, like the first Lamb before time is great.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's so sad.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_03: The mom dies, follow your heart.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, trees die.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: And there was Ducky and Sarah.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: We're back to Ducky, yeah, yeah.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: Spike, spike was the other one, okay, which is a uh uh stegosaurus, which is my favorite dinosaur.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: For the longest time, I thought long neck was like the scientific term for that type of dinosaur.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was way too old when I found oh, that's not what we call those things.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's not what it's called, you stupid.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_03: True.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: So we need you what but wasn't there like a there's a controversy in that too, because isn't like a bronosaurus not even the right probably because I heard something like it's the wrong head, which I find funny because I'm like, okay, how many heads and skeletons were there that they found?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: There were so many.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oops, we put that on the wrong one.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't know.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's I don't know theory.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't a brachiosaurus is the true name or something they call it?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: You said Bronosaurus.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's um a Patasaurus.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: Apatosaurus.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's a dinosaur.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: That might be the wrong one.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they all got like weird names.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a Dilophosaurus man after watching Jurassic Park.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Don't kill that fat guy in the Jeep really did it for me.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just think you hate fat people.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably what it is.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, eat them.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think you hate fat people.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: I think they just disgust you.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: Whichever.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about fat people.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Fat people.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um fat people, America's fat.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: To be fair though, we have both been overweight.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: We And what did we do?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: We can talk about this because we blame each other.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, I blame you.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: I blame you.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: Did we blame the spoon for feeding us?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Those damn spoon companies.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: The cartels?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Got a spoon.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: The spoon cartel?
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Sick.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Spoon cartels.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Those bastards.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: How do they sleep at night?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's awful.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Making everybody fat.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Making it so easy to scoop something in my stupid mouth.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's just kind of the same thing of when you get pulled over by a cop and you try to say, Oh, officer, I didn't know that was illegal.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: Never once have I had a cop go, okay.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's always, yeah, you're ignorant, and your ignorance is what will hurt you in the end.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: And I think there's a lot of that going around.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: People want to use their ignorance as an excuse for bad decisions.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: For being fat.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: And for being fat.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, really, do we have to educate people like, now listen, class, I want to make this very clear.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know that fast food isn't good for you?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: No way.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now the thing is, fat isn't bad.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're right.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing is that's fat is beautiful.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is beautiful.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like I saw this Adidas ad where there's a fit lady, she's doing yoga, and then the next cut is a very large black woman trying to flex.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it's see what they did.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: Why, why isn't it not a fat Asian person?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: Or a fat white person.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's intentional.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's so glad we're diverse.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: Get the fat lady that's black, preferably.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, we're not gonna put her in the ad.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: One, yeah.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's the same thing they did with April and like Ninja Turtles.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_03: And we come full circle.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it just shows like we are including you, and you should be grateful.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's how they're treating the whole thing.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: But no, I mean it's the this is how it really is.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I do believe everyone is a human being that is made in the image God.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: They have value, and I think respect, treating people well is something you should always do.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think where it just goes off the rails, though, is where we you can argue in the sense of does it always have to be a thin, beautiful, attractive model?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever, fine.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: You can do whatever you want.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: But we all know that attractiveness does sell.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's just how our brains are wild.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: If you had an ugly, fat, hideous hag that's 90 years old selling a product, I don't think everyone go, like, you know what?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta go get that preparation H cream.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: I like that's how you took it.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but thank you.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: But no, it's like there has to be this concept of yes, everyone has the ability to better themselves.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: And if we promote something that's unhealthy, which being overweight is unhealthy, it's terrible in this country.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_03: Right now, the average weight for a 5'3 woman is 73 pounds, and for the average male at 5'8, it's 198 pounds.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow, and that's like crazy, it's really crazy.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't think like when we try to, I don't know if it's like this idea of oh, look, we're being encouraging, we want other people to feel accepted.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I get that, but you're also enabling bad behavior that's unhealthy and it's gonna kill a person.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: Because when you're overweight, it's not just, oh, you're overweight, it's not just your looks, it's your heart, it's your arteries, it's your joints, it's like all these different elements.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: I think what really was an eye-opener for me, and I read this where it's factual that like for every pound you lose, it's four pounds of pressure off your joints.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: No kidding, it's a lot.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: So you think if you just lose 10 pounds, that's 40 pounds of pressure off of your joints.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: And honestly, your older 65 person self is really gonna thank you for that.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so, sure, at the same time, like if you want to put big people on an ad and stuff, that's fine.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: But don't just try to pretend that everything's fine, it's the emperor has no clothes.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, it's still unhealthy, it's not something we should promote.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't mean that fat people don't exist, it doesn't mean overweight people don't have value or that they're not a human being.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_03: But when you go to this point of where you're lying to people about the reality of their condition, it's no different than a doctor that discovers cancer and then says, nope, you're fine, you got a clean bill of health.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, go live your life like you should.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, have fun.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, don't care if you die.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: When they militantly push that on you, it's wrong.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because it just makes me think they have an agenda.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but the question is like, what is the goal of the agenda?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: To kill people?
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: It seems like I mean it's it's not is the agenda really wrapped in empathy?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: We just really care about overweight people and we want to help them.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: So, what is gonna help them?
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: Telling them that as they are right now, there's nothing wrong.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing wrong with them as a person, to clarify, but there is something wrong with their health, yeah, that's there.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I know a lot of people try to make excuses like like it has nothing to do with oh, because the problem is they're confusing beauty with health is the problem.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: And if they want to fight the stereotype of oh, you have to be lean to be beautiful, and that's a stereotype, and they want to find it.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: Fine, fight it all you want, but don't shove it down our throat as if though this is a healthy thing, though, at the same time.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just like, you look stupid, it's really ridiculous.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: But that's what they do.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: There are some who would say, and I'm not saying this is me, but there are some who would say that fat, over overweight, unhealthy people are a lot easier to push around when you're the government than fit healthy people.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's out there.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: Why do you expand on that?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like in in which way could they not push them around?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: In the sense that if you have a population that's not healthy, are they easier or are they harder to control?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: They're easier to control if they're unhealthy.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: I see.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: So some people would say that they want us unhealthy.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they they give that's why we have the food that we have.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's why they provide.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: And extra carbs.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: I always give tick too about like food itself because I I'm a sucker for Oreos.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_03: As I'm sure there's a lot of you out there that are listening right now the very same way.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't blame you.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: You know, when it says two Oreos for 140 calories, I'm like, what the heck?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: 140 calories for just two little cookies?
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: I eat them by the sleeve.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way I'm gonna just eat two of them.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, and they know that.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: They know that.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's it's almost like they even with the calories, you don't even want to look at it.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: I really hate that too, where I go out to eat to enjoy a meal, yeah, and now they have the calories next to it.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: And like I'm looking at this burger, it's like, yeah, that's about 2,000 calories.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, that's all my calories for that one meal.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: It just takes the whole fun out of eating out.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's which is funny because I can't have it both ways, so I gotta be fair because I don't want to be a hypocrite too, because we just talk about being healthy, and maybe that is a good thing to have the calories on there for people that are trying to watch their weight and stuff.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: I've done it.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: But when there are those times where you now, if you're always going out and you have to constantly look at the calories, maybe you're eating out too much.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: Now, if it's the idea it's only on occasion, you shouldn't have to look at the calories because it should be that you're not eating crap all the time.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's hey, I'm going to the cheesecake factory.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna get those wontons with the buffalo chicken inside it.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: That is the best out of the world.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: I love that place.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: So many options.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm gonna get the cheesecake.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not gonna tell you what flavor.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: I like the Oreo one.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: We were just talking about Oreos.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_03: I can only imagine how many are in that one slice.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: Gosh.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: That's 20 Oreo cookies in one slice.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: Thousands of cookies.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's like eating like a whole pack of Oreos for a cheesecake factory slice.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why we're all fat.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it is.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: If you go to the Cheesecake Factory every day, for sure.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: We overeat, yeah.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: But the thing is, like, so what has you been your like journey as far as health and everything, as far as to get to where you want to be with your weight?
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_03: What are some things that you've done?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_03: And here's the other thing, too, that is very true that nobody wants to acknowledge either bodies react differently to different types of exercise and diet.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_03: And so when people always gosh, I mean, you see it all over Facebook too.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's advertising all these like pills for health and stuff.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_03: This one's for your liver, this one's for your head, this one's for your third toe.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: And then by the time you eat it all, it's like, dude, I'd be having a cup of supplements at the end of the day if I took everything that they said, which is gonna make me.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: I also love it too, where they make these claims like, this cannot come from any type of food that you eat.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, really?
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: If that's the case, I don't think you should eat it because it's probably toxic.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's probably not even real food at that point.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh gosh.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, what are some things like as far as my journey with you, as far as like that?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think the thing that really did it is I did personally, I had to start counting calories.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was very strict with it because I would overeat a lot.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: And not just overeat, but I would drink things that were loaded with sugar, loaded with calories.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: That is a killer, right now.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, soda, juices, 100%, too much milk, things like that.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: And on it, not to not too much credit to myself, but one day I started counting the Cheerios I was eating because I yeah, I was that crazy.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, here we go.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: You like have a little scaly, like you're like putting the grams on there, you're like, ah crap, and I can only have one half of Cheerios.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's like 20 cuts 25 Cheerios and a half of one.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I did that with peanuts once.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: 100% I did, and so I had the cut.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's dedication.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: It that's the thing, is it does take dedication that I had to count what I was eating, and I had to do cardio exercise every day.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Me and my best friend would go to a track and we would jog, we jog every night, and uh sometimes we go hiking, but those things working together and it works like a charm.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it does, and I think uh to encourage those out there too, because hey, we hear you, we've been there where it's like you can't, you're you're trying to lose weight, you're looking at the scale, you're getting discouraged because it's not going down as quickly.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: Just so you know, this when you first start working out and everything, it goes down pretty quickly, and then it takes slow because you finally get to that point where you get rid of that water, the excess water weight, and everything, and it takes time and it does take dedication.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: To encourage people out there, it's like it's kind of like compound interest, and it's the same way with your health.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_03: By cutting out, like where you only eat two bowls of cereal instead of three, even though I'd say don't eat cereal, have some scrambled eggs, have some bacon, some sausage, cheese in bacon grease.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, eat that.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: That is very good for you.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care what they say, the whole cholesterol thing is absolutely BS.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: But have a high protein breakfast, it'll fill you up better.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: And uh but if let's say we go to the the typical because a lot of people do cereal as do myself, I am a sucker for Cinnamon Toast Crunch and Lucky Charms because I am Irish and I like that racist leprechaun on that box.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't care what you say.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: If you try to take that leprechaun off of that General Mills box, I will sue you as an Irish person to put his butt back on it.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: I will.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, that's a side note.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, if you come the simple thing of just one bowl of cereal, let's say it's a hundred calories.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: Well, if you have it like seven, that's 700 calories that you're cutting from your diet every week.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_03: So every week that you go past by eliminating that is less calories that's going to your waist and your line.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: So you got to think of it that way too.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: You have to have the long game when it comes to your diet.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_03: And what they have shown too is that when you do lose weight, it's good also to continue your exercise.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_03: Those that continue their exercise once they got to their weight goal kept it off way more than those that just kept the same diet or they stopped exercising.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: The exercise is what keeps your metabolism going.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so exercise initially in the start isn't that effective to losing weight.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: The diet is.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: But if you do a diet with exercise and then you get to your goal weight and you keep on exercising, but you eat you know what you want, not like again, within reason, right?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because I mean you eat a tub of hagendoss every day.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: But what will happen is like you will keep your weight steady of where you lost it.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_03: So, I mean, that hopefully is some encouragement to those guys out there because hey, it is tough to try to lose weight, and hey, we're not doctors either, so go do your own research and figure it out because it's not my responsibility.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_03: Take your responsibility for yourself, which nobody really likes to hear that.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_03: They want everyone else to wipe their butt, blow their nose, and I say, No, I'm not gonna blow your nose.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's disgusting.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's very gross.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: And the only reason I'd wipe your butt is if you're like one of my elderly parents and nobody else could do it.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's different.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: Which my dad cringes at the idea of he's like, I hope I never get to the point where someone has to wipe it.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually a very depressing.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: And let's change the subject.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: Just tell me right now that nobody is gonna wipe my butt ever.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: You hear me?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, okay, dad.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_03: So he doesn't really sound that way though.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, he doesn't.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: No, he doesn't even clear that.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_03: He doesn't sound that at all.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_03: He has more of a radio voice than I do.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, it's it's been a fun conversation.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you for coming all the way from California to be a part of this and like to break in our new roadie sound system.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds particularly.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: This is gonna be big.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_03: This is this is uh let's just say, yeah, product placement.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that's right.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Roadie, send us some money.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, send us some money.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be big and you're gonna you're gonna be regretting that.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we will talk about how great your sound system, and honestly, it was very easy to set up too.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: I was pretty happy with it.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: So um Jamin, you're not exactly like a tech guy, not really.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I can do some things, but you know, I was like, honestly, there's sometimes where my mom shows me stuff.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: My mom's pretty awesome.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: She like kind of keeps up on this stuff, and I don't know how she does it because, like, for me, I'm just like, okay.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: But um, no, it's but it's uh definitely been fun.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, I love it.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta catch a flight later tonight on Delta.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: So that's not a product placement.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, Delta has been good to me in the last one flight I've been on with them.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: I have to be at the airport in about an hour.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_03: Probably two hours, actually.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: Because our security's pretty quick.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, good.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, good.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Salt Lake Airport has amazing security.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: I don't really care for the airport itself.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: I feel there's way too much walking involved.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_03: I think they need more walking escalators, yeah.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_03: It is, it's nice, but it definitely can use, but they are adding some more stuff to it.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: They're adding trams and other things.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna add, I think that's gonna improve it a lot.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: But as always, we thank you all for who are wanting to listen to this crazy rant.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_03: If you ever do, we don't know.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you no one will ever hear this until we die.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: But we hope that you all stay free, love your country, love your neighbors, and love the body of Christ, and don't lose heart.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right?
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: Stay focused and fight the good fight.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see you guys later.