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Jen Nizza: An Ex-Psychic Warns About Deception, Demonic Spirits & Divination (Replay) · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Today, a treat we've had three ladies on the podcast about the new age, new heart, brand
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  new podcast with Dorian Virtue, Jack Marino.
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  I think it's Marino.
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  Yes.
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  And Jen Niesel.
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  Well, we've got Jen with us today for those of you that aren't familiar with our background.
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  She's an author speaker, Christian content creator.
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  And she was born and raised in New York.
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  She is an ex-psychic who found grace through Christ, praise God.
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  And she has a beautiful daughter, Kara, and she has a podcast of her own now.
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  And she's really, really, you know, going through a lot of encouragement to other believers
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  and just opening people's eyes to divination, to what's wrong with being a psychic and
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  being a medium and things like that from a biblical standpoint.
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  We're so blessed for her journey in her ministry.
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  Jen, Niesel, welcome back to World View Matters.
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  Good to see you.
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  Hi, David.
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  Thanks for having me.
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  Thanks for being here.
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  And how's the new podcast going?
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  You guys, it looks like you're having fun.
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  Oh, we're having such a great time.
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  We are, we're crushing it.
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  Awesome.
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  Awesome.
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  Well, say hello to them to the ladies next time you get together, Dorian and Jack.
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  So let's start with the basics.
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  You were a psychic medium.
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  For those of you that, I mean, those of our audience that are going, okay, we understand
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  what a psychic is.
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  They have an idea of astrology and things like that.
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  But what exactly did you do and how did you get into that and just tell us your story?
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  Oh, wow.
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  Yeah.
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  So long story short, David, as all Italians start that way, right?
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  I don't care.
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  Well, I'm starting short.
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  Actually, the door was opened for me at a very young age and I had a tarot card reading
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  myself as a young girl, a twin, rather 13, whatever that is.
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  And anyway, I started seeking it out after that, which led me down such a rabbit hole
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  of divination really.
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  So the more I would get readings, I started giving readings.
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  But at that point, that was all still psychic readings, which like you said, maybe more
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  people are familiar with that are clairvoyance.
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  The psychic mediumship is when you believe, because it's not true, it's a lie from the pits
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  of hell, that you're communicating with deceased people with departed loved ones.
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  And that started for me later on, early 20s.
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  And I was told after this, I had this, I don't want to call it a vision, but through a dream,
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  it was a deceased person that I believed was a deceased person anyway, communicating
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  with me.
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  And it was, the information was validated.
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  It was related to a person that I could get the message out to, but not direct enough
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  that I could have known anything.
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  So after that, I went to my medium, of course, because I got many readings and that's always
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  where I went for everything in my life.
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  I went to divination, always.
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  And of course, she said, you're a medium too, you have a gift from God, and you need
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  to use it to help people.
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  And I always wanted to help people, and the devil will play on that, trust me, the divination
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  into a divination group, which is, I just made a video recently about how the devil recruits
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  his army, psychic readings, psychic medium readings, you, I don't encourage anybody ever
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  goes to them, please don't, because it's demonic, but they, it always comes out that you
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  to have a gift, you need to go to the spiritual center, you should get your own crystals, you
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  should get your own tarot cards, the enemy recruits his army.
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  So I went, I came out, and I was doing psychic medium readings.
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  I thought I was, I really thought I was communicating with dead people.
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  So let's give the website, I didn't do that at the beginning.
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  Instagram's website is xex psychic saved.com x psychic saved.com and her YouTube channel
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  is gen x psychic, and that's where she does a lot of her videos.
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  We'll talk about a recent one in just a minute, but let's go right to something that people
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  are familiar with, horoscopes, horoscopes, astrology, though you seem in the coffee shop.
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  It's harmless, right?
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  Tell us about that and your concerns for believers to avoid these things.
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  Yeah, well, astrology, first of all, is a tool of divination.
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  Astrology is not astronomy.
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  Astronomy is the, is science looking at the planets, so on and so forth, but not trying
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  to get any sort of information from them.
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  Astrology is, like I said, it's divination.
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  So what people are doing is they're going towards the sun, the moon, the stars, the planets
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  and believing that they have some sort of esoteric knowledge, some sort of wisdom, some
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  sort of insight over their light, and people are actually relying on these astrological
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  charts and horoscopes, I think it's interesting that you brought that up because that's something
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  that may be blown off or brushed off as entertainment, even all of these other tools of divination
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  could are seen sometimes as just entertainment or something that's just focus or bogus
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  or whatever, but it's not horoscopes.
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  If people go to the horoscopes, believing that they have a zodiac sign, which is complete
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  nonsense, okay, you do not have a zodiac sign, you are not a zodiac sign, stars know nothing
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  about you.
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  These are created things.
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  Horoscopes seem silly, but then what about the one day that it resonates with you and
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  then you start going back to it, okay, so now you're getting sucked in and where does
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  that lead you?
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  The enemy is very conniving, he's very manipulative, God condemns divination and astrology as a part
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  of that.
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  God is clear throughout his word to steer clear, do not consult or practice the miners.
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  I love what you said, stars know nothing about you, they are created things, isn't it interesting,
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  Jen, and that's a lot of people pursue these things because they want knowledge, you know,
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  we've got the Bible, God's word, the creator of the universe handed us his wisdom, a manual
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  for life, and a lot of people will try to find it other places, and that's just a recipe
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  for disaster, especially when you look into some of these things, because as you said,
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  these things are demonic, I want to clarify something, when you said some people think
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  they're communicating with dead people, relatives or someone else, is that considered
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  like a familiar spirit, I mean, we know these are demonic spirits, but can you explain
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  that, clarify that?
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  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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  So familiar spirits are spirits that are familiar with your life, with your family.
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  I mean, they know more about you and your ancestors that I hate to even have to say this,
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  but after readings, I mean, people sometimes have to go and call up Jennifer Aniston just
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  did it, I'll be making a video about it.
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  But they have to go call up other family members and say, did you even know this, did you
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  know that?
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  And they'll say, yeah, that happened, you know, grandpa, great grandpa, these are intelligent
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  ancient creatures, entities, okay, they've been around for ages and they know this information
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  and they know things that happen behind closed doors when nobody else is around.
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  And they're able to report that information to the psychic, to the psychic meeting.
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  And they have to, because there has to be some accuracy, right?
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  Otherwise, why would you believe it?
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  Why would you get sucked into it?
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  Is the proverbial carrot dangled in front of your face?
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  Well, people, some get sucked into because they're always told something positive or, hey,
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  you're going to be blessed or you have a gift, you know, they're always told something
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  good and they come back from more of that, don't you think?
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  Yeah, I think so of that.
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  But they still, but the psychic reading still have to give you something, yes, some positive
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  that sounds nice, but there's always going to be some information and this is what people
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  get hung up on though, David, but they told me that thing and that was true.
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  How could they have known that anything a demon has seen already?
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  They can report with a hundred percent accuracy.
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  And then I always go on and then there'll be predictions and demons are not omniscient.
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  So they don't know the future and so this is how saddening it is and how, how it makes
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  me so angry because you're going there, these people are going there deceived, blinded
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  to the truth, going for the outcomes of their life.
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  These are grieving people, these are vulnerable people, and then they rely on these outcomes,
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  these predictions to even make decisions, David, specifically with astrology, with these
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  charts and numerology and things of that nature.
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  Well, I understand that if they don't have God, their creator, and the Holy Spirit to
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  guide them, and then they don't, if they don't believe scripture to give them guidance
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  and wisdom, they're going for something that they think, oh, okay, I can get some guidance
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  this way.
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  Let's talk about, well, first of all, you did a video recently because let me go back,
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  let me go back in a year, I just see a video on your YouTube channel, I love it.
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  It says, psychic, medium ship, isn't a gift, it's a choice, so that's an important point
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  for people to understand because a lot of people have said, oh, they have this spiritual
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  gift or this psychic gift, no, no, it's something that people's telling you, it's a choice.
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  But I want to talk about the recent event, the eclipse, and you saw something on Fox
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  news, Fox and friends that upset you, evidently they brought a psychic or a medium on, there's
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  the video, thank you for rolling that.
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  Look at, look at Jen, you must be Italian because your hands are flying.
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  So what, so Susan Miller, most of us don't know who Susan Miller is, but she was, I
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  guess, Fox and friends brought her on as the expert.
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  Tell us about that and why you made a video because you were so upset.
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  I was so righteously angry and I say it because it's against God, so that's where our
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  righteous anger is, right?
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  I'm not just angry because, you know, for no reason, I was so upset because, first of
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  all, this is a news channel, okay?
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  Why are you promoting divination on your news channel?
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  And they're doubling down, David.
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  Jesse Waters had a tarot card reader on his, okay, so now they're doubling down, they're
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  going back here.
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  So now, first of all, you're hyping up the eclipse, which is not a supernatural event.
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  It's a natural event.
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  And now you're getting hyper focused on, you know, you know, the supernatural connotation,
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  which doesn't exist, bringing on astrologers, and then this astrologer was doing these
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  very broad sort of readings on the host there that was just like, are you kidding me?
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  I just couldn't take it.
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  But I think about the people in that age range that, I mean, I know my parents used to
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  love to watch Fox, whoever may be retired, you know, maybe they were watching it for politics
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  or for news.
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  And now they're getting a dose of divination, like, it's just bothers me so, so so much.
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  So I of course wanted to make the video and get it out there.
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  I'm very sad about what Fox News is doing.
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  And I think that people need to be aware and educated about the dangers of divination,
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  especially David, see, I get revved up every time, especially because Susan Miller
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  said that she is a devout Catholic.
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  So Ainsley says to her, what about how do you, yeah, thank you.
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  How do you, how does this coincide with your faith?
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  And this woman says, God speaks to me.
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  No, he's not Susan Miller.
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  So if you see my TikTok video, you'll see that I, because I, you know, my thoughts are
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  the same.
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  No, he's not talking to you and not practice divination and be a Christian.
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  It's an oxymoron.
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  There is no Christian psychic, no Christian, which, and as you said before, Christian
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  astrologer, you are not born with it and it is not a gift.
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  It is a choice.
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  And that's fascinating because there, either there's a lack of understanding of the
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  old testament.
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  If someone thinks that that they can do that and be a believer, somehow, there's a disconnect.
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  Anyway, we've got to take a very brief pause.
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  conversation.
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  And you were interviewed Jen by the Christian post about this.
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  Tell us a little bit about that.
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  How'd that go?
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  I'm a little bit of a whistleblower, I think, David.
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  I know.
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  No, make her.
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  Yeah, maybe that's I stir the pot.
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  I know it was great.
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  It was the interview was great.
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  And I think John did a great job with the with the post, his writing was excellent.
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  And I just want to go back again and just mention the danger of believing that you can be
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  a Christian.
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  As I said, Susan Miller says that she's a devout Catholic and saying God speaking to me is
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  because imagine now people are watching this and they're not going to the Bible.
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  And of course, that's all of our responsibility to go ourselves.
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  But hey, maybe they're Catholic, maybe they called themselves Christian.
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  And after all, she's a Christian, she's a Catholic, so she's saying it's okay.
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  So hey, I'll just believe it.
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  That is so super dangerous.
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  That's how sneaky the devil is.
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  Yeah, when we celebrated Resurrection Sunday a few weeks ago and the White House issued
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  their the day of transgender visibility Easter Sunday, the White House press secretary
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  said, well, Joe Biden's a devout Catholic.
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  Oh, no, that actually said he's a Christian and he's going to be celebrating Easter at home
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  with his family.
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  And I'm thinking, okay, there's so much confusion.
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  If people actually think he's a Christian, then we've got more problems than I thought.
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  Go ahead and let you comment.
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  We'll move on.
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  Yeah, no, no, I'm just that's my Italian thing again.
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  I'm very expressive.
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  So yeah, I agree with you 100%.
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  And it's what you see, but that's the hook, though, David.
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  If the enemy will use anything, he'll use words like holy, he'll use the word Christian,
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  he'll even spit out some scripture.
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  The devil knows the Bible.
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  The devil knows Jesus Christ, right?
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  So he'll stop at nothing to accomplish his evil agenda.
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  And that's just the way he does it.
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  How he will use these things to deceive people.
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  And that's why we have to be so aware.
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  We have to first John 4.1 and test the spirits.
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  If there weren't evil spirits, we wouldn't have to test the spirits, but we have to.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  Be discerning, friends.
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  There's so much that we could be distracted and deceived by, but I wrote an article
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  by the way on that.
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  If you haven't seen that over at Harbanger's Daily Friends, the agenda to eradicate biblical
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  Christianity from American culture, because what the White House did, it's very significant.
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  Don't pretend that they didn't see this coming, that the Easter is on the calendar and transgender
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  day of visibility was heading for Resurrection Sunday right on.
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  They didn't see that coming.
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  No, they, everything is planned and by design.
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  So don't think that was a mistake.
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  But let's move on, Jen.
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  Very interesting.
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  I wanted to ask you, it seems that a lot of people who go into this business, whether that
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  be a psychic or a medium or in tarot cards or new age, like Doreen and others, it seems
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  like there's a lot of women doing that.
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  Is that an, you laugh, but is that an accurate observation?
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  And if so, why do you think that is?
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  That's interesting.
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  I mean, because I know, I know men that do it too, but maybe that could be the sensitivity,
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  the compassion women have, we're built in.
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  We have a nurturing, you know, I don't know, but, you know, we have something that's a
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  little bit more nurturing.
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  And that's where the compassion, the vulnerability, even insecurities, because remember, there's
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  an aspect of pride here when you're going into divination.
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  There's an aspect of pride because remember, you become a baby God, you become powerful.
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  People are coming to you, right, and you're not thinking of it that way, at all, you're
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  the most humble person going, of course, but you're not.
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  So I don't know, I mean, because I really hadn't thought about that, but I would think,
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  because I know for myself, I was very sensitive.
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  I had issues with death.
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  I would get very upset, even if somebody who wasn't close to me, I would be crying to the
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  point of an asthma attack.
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  So sad, so compassionate, always wanted to help people.
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  And of course, men do also, they're a very compassionate and kind men.
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  And like I said, I have seen them in the new age here on Long Island, maybe it's out
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  there in the other places, I don't know.
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  So well, talk to us a little bit more about that.
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  So you were giving readings to people you didn't know, obviously, for the most part.
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  And you were really caring about them and feeling their pain, can you explain that?
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  Absolutely.
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  100%.
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  And I believe that these readings, David, I believe that these were their deceased moms
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  and dads and spouses, and I'm crying with these people and we're hugging at these, I remember
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  my dad being a skeptic.
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  And then when he would see I was doing readings from home, I was a single mom when I started.
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  And he would see us outside and the hugging and the crying and the phone ringing off the
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  hook and the whole thing.
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  And I just really loved these people and I believed I was helping them.
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  And I believed in that hour reading that they were connecting with somebody they lost
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  and that they loved so much.
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  And that's how sinister this really is.
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  That's how disgusting these demons are because you're not, that's the lie, but the lot right
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  there that it's just not even happening.
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  That's not your loved one.
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  That's a demon mask rating.
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  Think about how evil that is as children, people who lost children.
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  It's deceptive and I understand that because playing on people's emotions, wow, it's
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  just fascinating.
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  I don't want to gloss over this.
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  I don't remember if you just briefly mentioned at the very beginning of the podcast.
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  So what was the catalyst that brought you to Christ and really finally opened your eyes
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  and turned you around?
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  Yeah, no, I'm glad that you came back to that because I actually forgot to mention that
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  part because you'll get to know me anyway.
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  No, what happened was at the end of my 36th year, I had this, I don't want to call it this,
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  I call it this near moment of destruction or near second of destruction.
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  What I mean by that is I was so heavily oppressed.
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  These entities never left me, David.
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  They never left me.
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  And in this moment, in the second, I cried out to Jesus Christ and I had no idea why
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  I did that.
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  I had no idea.
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  I never served him.
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  I had this, you know, out there, he was kind of like out there, yeah, maybe he's the son
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  of God.
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  I don't know.
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  No real faith.
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  Why didn't I call upon a deceased person or my spirit guide or anything like that?
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  No, I called on the name of Jesus Christ and I felt this peace and you know what I say
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  to people though, David, but let's not go by that, right, because that's my experience.
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  The movement in my heart started that night, okay, because the next, I didn't want to be
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  a psychic anymore and I didn't know why.
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  So the whole now I know hindsight, right, that's the Holy Spirit, yeah, move my heart,
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  but I didn't know what it all meant.
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  And the devil didn't want to lose his grip on me at all.
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  I ended up further deceived reading books by people like Betty Edie embracing the light
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  who, you know, a near death experience and, but of course, she believes and subscribes
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  to reincarnation and was so you could see I was very, it was everything was very muddled
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  for me.
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  And that went on for almost 10 months until the Lord in his sovereignty and grace arranged
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  I, but divine appointment, I had a dinner with a friend I hadn't seen a long time.
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  I met her in divination groups.
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  I read her family.
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  We were in the New Age community together and she was coming over for dinner in the period
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  of time that I hadn't seen her.
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  She had been saved by Jesus Christ.
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  So she comes for the dinner and she starts talking to me about Jesus and invites me to
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  go to the church that she started going to.
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  I said no, because I was stupid, but then I said no.
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  But four weeks later, I woke up on a Sunday and the Holy Spirit gave me that push.
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  No, you're going to that church today, Jen.
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  And honestly, because there's no other way to describe it, there's no reason I can give
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  you for me wanting to go that particular day.
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  And when I went there, we were singing.
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  I mean, I had never been in a church like this.
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  I was raised culturally Catholic.
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  So I only knew masses and people have that, you know, their worshiping and their arms
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  are up and this thing.
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  And the Jesus saved me was still lyric that it was like I was in a room by myself.
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  I flashed back to that night I cried out to him and I knew that was him.
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  I knew it.
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  It was confirmation.
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  I heard the gospel that day.
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  I hadn't known I was a sinner that needed to be saved.
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  I didn't hear the gospel.
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  I heard the gospel and I placed my full faith in trust in Lord Jesus.
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  And immediately the Holy Spirit, the first thing he did was leave me to the Word of God
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  right when I got home.
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  What is the Bible?
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  That psychic mediums boom.
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  It was right in my face.
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  Wow.
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  Praise God for that.
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  And obviously it was God moving in your heart.
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  You know, you didn't have the Holy Spirit yet, but yet God was moving.
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  He had his hand on your life and he was saying, Jen, this way, come on, praise God for
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  that.
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  I know it's probably more in depth than what you were able to share, but how encouraging
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  it was even as that is.
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  What else in the last couple of minutes here?
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  Should we be concerned about?
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  We just had a lot of people speculate about this big eclipse, right?
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  And we're still here.
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  It wasn't this big world changing thing.
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  It wasn't God saying, when I'm going to shake up the world, it's happened before in
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  world history, even in our history.
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  And so what else should we be concerned about?
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  What are your other thoughts?
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  Well, I think we're seeing a rise, unfortunately, of divination in our culture.
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  We're seeing it in the music industry.
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  We're seeing it every, basically everywhere you turn.
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  I mean, it's front and center in the stores, Target.
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  You can even go to CVS these days without seeing some sort of a Ouija board on Altoids
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  or whatever.
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  I mean, it's all over the place.
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  So it's really important to be educated about what divination is that it is demonic and
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  to stay away from it and be very discerning at what you're listening to and watching.
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  And that goes along too with false, obviously, their false prophets, but any sort of false
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  prophet trying to cash in on these so events.
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  Yep.
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  So when you say divination, are you putting witchcraft and divination as different things
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  or are you kind of mixing them together a little bit?
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  Oh, I would, I mean, if you even look at sorcery, Revelation 218 says even sorcerers,
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  they're not going to go to heaven.
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  They're going to have the second death in the lake of fire.
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  So God is clear, stay away from witchcraft, which is the occult, of course, the new all
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  tools and forms of divination and witchcraft.
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  And they're the new age, man, that is just so deceptive.
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  And it's so subtle too, you know, even believers, well, meaning people, at least here
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  about these crystals or something else and you're, okay, we've got a lot to be discerning
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  about.
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  But Jen, we thank you for your time.
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  What else do you have coming up, any events?
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  And I know you're, oh, you're writing a book, tell us a little bit about that.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm working on my third book.
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  It's going to be a memoir.
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  I really want to walk people through how does a woman become oppressed?
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  So what did that look like growing up here on Long Island?
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  How did it all start?
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  Where brought me?
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  What life looks like when you're serving the devil?
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  Now that I have that, that view on everything that had transpired, what is life like when
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  you are psychic medium?
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  And of course, what led to my salvation, salvation and baptism.
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  So I want to give it like soup to nuts and I just really pray that it would bless people
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  and help them to understand because people are very deceived when children start reporting
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  any sort of psychic information going back to your not born with it.
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  Those children are not exempt from demonic oppression.
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  That's right.
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  So Jen, thank you.
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  We will have you on Lord willing when that book comes out or right before it does.
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  We can get to her website again, expsychicsaved.com.
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  And remember to check out their new podcast with Dorine and Jack over at new age to new heart
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  on YouTube.
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  Yeah.
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  Jen, Neza, thank you so much.
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  God bless you, sister.
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  God bless you, David.
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  Thank you.
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  Guys, to be continued, great guests, we appreciate it.
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  We appreciate them.
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  We appreciate you for supporting the show and sharing the podcast.
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  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.