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Brian Gerrish’s Christmas Message · UK Column Radio

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  OK, Well it's my great pleasure to welcome Brian Garish to speak
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  to Common Knowledge this afternoon.
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  Brian has a career in the Navy, the senior service, before
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  leaving this evening, a service and starting up his own business
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  and then finding out how much corruption there was in this
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  world. And from then on he's become
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  effectively an investigative journalist and he set up the UK
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  column. And the UK column for me was a
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  lifeline when I in 2020 when I was searching around what's
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  going on, I was suddenly awake and everyone said go to UK
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  column. That's where you'll find the
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  information that you need. And I'm eternally grateful to
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  Brian for setting up UK column and for all his marvellous work
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  since then. So Brian's going to tell us
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  something about, I think we're going to first of all, discuss
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  the current state of play in the UK and in the world in general,
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  and then we'll go on to some other subjects after that.
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  But Brian, thank you very much indeed for joining us here and
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  I'll hand over to you. Richard, thank you and the team
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  for the invite. Absolutely fantastic to get
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  myself all the way to the granary there, the jig room.
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  I think you're all in. And from what I can, what I can
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  see, it looks, it looks very nice and yeah, really great to
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  get the invitation. I, I just say to you that I was
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  a bit poorly a few weeks ago and I, I just felt that this time I
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  needed to ease off a bit before Christmas.
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  So I, I, I apologise for being with you in a virtual sense,
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  because I'd much rather be there in person.
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  But yeah, things caught up with me a bit and I'm pleased to say
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  I am, I am recovered now just and we'll, we'll leave it at
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  that. So I, I think what you're doing
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  is, is great. Well done for setting up common
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  knowledge Edinburgh. I think we need more groups like
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  this across the country because this is spreading the word
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  amongst teams of people and there is still very much a need
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  to do this. And you know, in a personal way
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  with people being together and able to chat because this, this
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  gives it a strength. And a lot of what we're fighting
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  requires people, I think, to be together physically, to be in
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  contact, exchanging information in, in a physical way.
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  Because at the end of the day, this is what it is to be human.
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  And I'll, I'll just then put a Little Rock in the pond and say,
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  because what we're fighting is absolutely against humanity.
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  So the, so the more human we are, the stronger we are.
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  I also wonder whether I can be cause a little bit of trouble
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  because you, you gave me 3 points.
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  You gave me the state of things at the moment.
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  You asked about the movement to war and you asked me about the
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  setting up of the UK column. And I wonder whether I might ask
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  very nicely just to kick off with setting up the column
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  because it has a particular meaning.
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  And I'd like to share that with you.
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  And I think it would be a good sort of foundation for them
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  going on to talk about other things.
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  So would that be OK with your permission?
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  Absolutely, absolutely fine. Yeah, OK.
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  And before I get talking, how long have we got to, you know?
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  We've got two hours in this room.
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  Two hours. OK, right.
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  That's, that's brilliant. Well, the reason that I wanted
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  to kick off with how the UK column got started was because
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  there have been a number of things that have prompted me,
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  particularly over the last year, to talk about this.
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  It's not something that over the years I've made a very big thing
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  about, but the time has now come, I think, to talk about
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  these things because it leads us into matters spiritual.
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  But the other thing is that next year is the 20th celebration,
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  the 20 year celebration of the UK column, because January next
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  year, we'll have actually been running for 20 years, which
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  seems almost unbelievable to me. But it is rather wonderful that
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  somehow, despite all the things going on in the world, UK,
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  worldwide, the UK columnars managed to keep going.
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  So I'll just tell this little, little story in in the shortest
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  time I can. And I absolutely welcome any
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  questions people have got because a few months ago we
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  were. Invited to the Hope.
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  Music festival, which was was really excellent and I was due
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  to talk as the rest of the UK column team were we always find
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  we don't quite know what we're going to talk about until maybe
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  a couple of days before it sort of comes to you.
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  If you try and force it, you, you think I don't know what to
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  talk about and there's no point worrying about it.
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  I felt you just sort of sit back and eventually what you're going
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  to speak about will come. Well at the Hope Festival that
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  didn't happen and I ended up the day before really starting to
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  think what am I going to do? And I thought just wait.
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  And then when I actually got in my car to drive, as I am driving
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  into my head very strongly came just tell them how the UK column
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  really got started. And so that's what I did.
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  And if anybody in the audience wants to see what I said because
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  it was recorded live at the festival, just put Brian Gerrish
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  my story into the search bar on the UK Column website.
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  So I'm going to give you a little flavour of that in person
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  this afternoon. But if you want to see what I
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  said to the audience there on a lovely sunny day in In the Hope
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  Festival, you can have a look at that recording on the UK Column
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  website. So if we divide this thing into
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  two parts, I think most people know that the UK Column started
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  out really with myself and some other people in Plymouth coming
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  across fraud and corruption in a very big way in the city.
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  And we initially sort of met as a small group of people and
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  talked about what was going on. But one one day that we decided
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  the key thing was to actually publish something.
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  And a very nice man called Chris, who'd got a little
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  printing company, set out the format for an A4 sheet printed
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  on both sides. We decided to call it the
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  Devonport column, Devonport being an area of the city in
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  Plymouth. It's an area close to the naval
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  base, so well known. For me and we, it was a bit
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  private, eye ish, a bit tongue in tongue in cheek.
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  We were taking the Mickey out of some quite serious things
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  happening. We were poking a big stick at
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  the City Council in particular. The first month we printed 500
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  copies and next month we printed 500 copies.
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  Nothing happened. The third month we printed 500
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  copies. And then slowly we started to
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  get phone calls and we started to get people contacting us
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  saying, well, if you've seen that and you've talked about
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  this, you really need to know this and that is going on.
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  And in the fourth month we had a massive expansion.
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  So we got an A3 sheet of paper and we folded it.
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  So we got 4 pages and we covered that with text and some cartoons
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  and some humorous stories. And those were distributed
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  around the city. And we did that for a few more
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  months until a very nice man said, I think you need a little
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  office space to make this happen properly.
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  And he he was kind enough to pay for us to have a tiny room.
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  We had nothing in it, but that was to be the start of the the
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  UK column. So that was one part of the
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  story. But about the same time I
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  experienced something which was very strange when it happened.
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  It's still quite strange to talk about it, but it's got a strange
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  and wonderful aspect to it. And, and I'm going to tell you,
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  and this is absolutely true, the man I will talk about in a
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  couple of minutes called Paul. A friend of mine called me on
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  the phone about an hour ago, and I haven't spoken to him for
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  quite a few months. And I just thought how strange
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  that on an afternoon when I'm going to be talking to some
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  people about how I got started and Paul was key to that, Paul
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  calls me. So is that another little
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  coincidence? Maybe it is, but my story was
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  that while we were discovering all of this horrible stuff going
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  on in Plymouth and we were talking to other people in UK,
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  so I'd learnt that it was happening in other cities.
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  Fraud and corruption, people being bullied and intimidated by
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  the establishment, the local authorities, plus some other
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  nasty stuff going on. I was at home one sunny day.
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  I, I can't tell you the month, I think it would have probably
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  been about June, July time. And I was sat at my desk working
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  and the phone rang and it was my friend Paul.
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  And I'd known him for quite a few years.
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  He, he was an architect by profession and he'd spend a lot
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  of time working down in Cornwall.
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  He called me. He said hello.
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  He said, what are you doing? And I said, I'm producing some
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  reports, I'm at home. And he said, no, you're not,
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  you're coming to see me. And I said, Paul, I can't.
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  I got to produce these reports. And he said, no, you're going to
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  come and see me. And I said I can't, I really
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  can't. And he then said to me, well,
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  when can you come? And I said, well, I've got a
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  free day next week. And he said, that's no good.
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  When can you come and see me? So I said, well, I could come
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  and see you tomorrow. And I was thinking, why are you
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  saying this? Because I've got quite a lot on
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  my plate anyway, because I've known him for a long time.
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  I thought, OK, I'll do it. I asked him why, why do I need
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  to come and see you? And he said to me, don't worry
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  about that, just come. So the next day I fairly early
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  about sort of, I don't know, 8:45, I'm in my car driving from
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  Plymouth down to Truro in Cornwall, where he lived.
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  That's, that's about an hour and a half drive.
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  And as I'm driving in the sunshine, I'm thinking to
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  myself, what on earth are you doing?
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  Because I'm driving to see, albeit a friend, but I have no
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  idea why I'm going. When I get to his house, I
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  parked the car, I knock on the door and a lady I've never seen
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  before answers the door. And I said, oh, I'm Brian, I've
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  come to see Paul. And she said yes or no.
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  And I said he's Paul in. And she said no, he's out with
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  the dog. And I felt a little bit
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  frustrated because I already committed quite a bit of time.
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  And she said, would you like to come in?
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  And I said yes, thank you very much.
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  And I said to her, I've no idea why I'm here.
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  And she looked at me with a rather strange expression on her
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  face. And she said, well, actually,
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  you're here because of me. And I said, OK, that's
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  interesting. How does that work?
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  And she said, well, you'll find this very strange, but sometimes
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  I get very vivid dreams, and sometimes I feel as though
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  somebody's talking to me. And then there was a pause.
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  And she said, and when this happens, it's a message from
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  God. And I paused, and I probably
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  swallowed. And I looked at her and I said,
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  OK, and how does that affect me? And she said, well, I had a very
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  vivid dream and you were in the dream.
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  And I said, I don't know, sorry. I said, I don't know you.
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  So you, how do you know me? And she said, oh, well, Paul
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  told me about you. So you were in the dream, Brian.
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  Paul, your friend was in the dream.
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  And another man who's a friend of mine, also called Paul, was
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  in the dream. And I, I looked to the earth and
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  this was so utterly bizarre. I didn't quite know what was
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  coming next. And she said, well, it was a
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  very intense dream. And when it happens, I, I, I got
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  a message. So I said to her, what's the
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  message? And she said, oh, that's The
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  funny thing. I don't know.
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  So I'm feeling that I'm in the middle of a really strange
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  situation. She said, would you like a cup
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  of tea? And I said, yes, I think I'd
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  like a cup of tea. And she put the kettle on.
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  I sat down at the kitchen table and she produced a cup of tea.
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  And, and lady's name was Jackie. And I said, Jackie, tell me a
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  bit about yourself. And the next minute she started
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  to tell me about the fact she was a single mother.
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  She'd been through some tough times.
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  She was a devout Christian and sorry.
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  And so she, she gave me a little bit of history and then she
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  started to tell me about a project she started quite some
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  time earlier, about a year I think.
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  And she, she got very young children, very early primary
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  school going to residential homes, care homes for elderly
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  people. And it was called the
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  Reminiscence project. And basically the children got a
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  lot out of meeting the elderly people and hearing about their
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  lives and careers. And the elderly people loved the
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  young children coming into their facilities because it, it
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  brightened things up. And as Jackie told me this
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  story, she said it was all going beautifully until a lady got
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  involved and she said she could help me with some funding to
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  make the project bigger. But she got involved and then
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  things didn't go as well as they had been going.
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  And then she said she had a friend, another friend who was a
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  a lady and she could also help. And then I discovered that the 2
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  ladies were in a relationship together and the deeper they got
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  into the project, the more my project seemed to fall apart.
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  And eventually she told me a specific part of her story,
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  which was pretty personal to her, so I'm not going to repeat
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  it here. But at one point she paused and
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  I found myself saying, and I'll tell you what happened next.
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  So Jackie looked at me and she said, well, how, how would you
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  know what happened next? And I said to her, well, because
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  what you're describing is happening in Plymouth.
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  It's happening all over the country.
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  And there are specific techniques which are used to
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  destroy things which are good for people.
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  And I'll tell you what happened. So she said, OK, go on.
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  Then you tell me what happened. So I told her what happened
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  next. And she said to me, that's,
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  that's incredible. And that's exactly what
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  happened. And I, I again said to her, this
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  is, this is happening all over the country.
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  And I think that we need to get out and about and we need to
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  warn people about what's happening.
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  We need to talk about what's happening and we need to warn
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  them. And the moment I said that to
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  her, her whole demeanour changed.
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  And she said to me in a very authoritarian voice, this is
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  exactly right. You are to go out, you are to
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  travel, you are to talk to people, you are to warn them
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  about what's happening. And then the next minute she
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  suddenly said, oh, my goodness, I'm sorry.
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  I get carried away. And I found myself saying to
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  her, no, you've just given me the message.
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  And when I said this, it was as though the words were coming out
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  of my mouth, but they weren't coming from my brain to my
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  mouth. And so I sat there in complete
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  astonishment because effectively this this woman told me that it
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  was going to be my job to get out and teach people and warn
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  them what was happening. But of course the circumstances
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  she'd done it in were quite extraordinary.
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  And so my head was spinning at that moment.
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  My friend Paul came back from his dog walk and a conversation
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  started, much of which was about what was going on in the
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  country. And eventually I left them to
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  drive back to Plymouth. And as I'm in my car driving
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  back, there was a bit of it was a bit of black humour against
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  myself because I found myself thinking, I'm not sure what's
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  going on here, but I'm not trained for this.
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  There's a bit of my old military, I think coming to the
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  fore. I'm not trained for this.
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  And as that thought came into my head, there was a a beep on my
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  mobile phone. And that was a text message
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  coming in. And I didn't look at it.
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  But when I got home, I looked at it and it was a text from
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  Jackie. And it was a little quote from
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  the Bible. And when I went to the Bible to
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  read the passage, which she texted through, it absolutely
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  answered those concerns that were in my head.
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  And I'll say to you that over the next 2-3 months, sometimes
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  couple of times a day, sometimes couple of times a week, if ever
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  I felt that I was in a position where I didn't quite know what I
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  was supposed to be doing, the phone would go beep.
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  And that was a text message. And invariably it was a biblical
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  quote from Jackie, which if I read it, seemed to head me in
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  the right direction. So those 2-3 months had gone by.
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  I was doing this basic work with the UK column and clearly it was
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  about spreading the word about what was happening.
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  And then one afternoon about 3:00, there was a it was a
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  Saturday. There was a knock on my front
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  door and I opened it and there was a man called Ted standing
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  there, very big man. And I knew him.
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  Previously I'd known him through UKIP and I was very surprised to
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  see him there. And he was stood with an
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  overhead projector in his hands, one where you put the old
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  acetate sheet on to project it onto the wall.
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  And I said to him, Ted, what what are you doing?
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  And he said, well, I'm not really sure, but my wife and I
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  were having a clear out and we thought you would need this.
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  And he handed the projector to me and I reached out and took
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  it. And I said, come in and have a
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  cup of tea or something because I wanted to talk to him to find
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  out really why he'd come. And he said I can't stop because
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  my wife's after me for some errands.
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  Hang on, I'll get the screen. And then the next minute Ted had
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  gone and in my hall was an overhead projector and a screen.
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  And the effect of that was about a week later I gave the first
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  ever talk, which was in the the Methodist.
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  No, sorry, it was in the WI Hall in my village.
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  About 17 people came. I talked to them about what was
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  going on in the country. We got to midnight and they
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  wouldn't leave. I was telling them to go home.
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  And that was my first talk. And that talk, ultimately, I'm
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  not sure how many I've done in the 20 years, but it's up around
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  the 300 and that includes travelling a lot around the
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  country in order to talk about what's going on.
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  And before I pause for a bit, at this stage, once I'd had this
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  message, anything that was needed to help me or us do what
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  we were doing seemed to appear. Never too much, never excessive,
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  but we were given computers, we've given chairs, we were
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  given everything we needed for our little office, and if we
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  ever felt we were short of something, it seemed to come.
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  And that included a steady flow of very small funding which
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  enabled both myself and other people to travel and to give
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  talks and warn people about what was happening.
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  So this was a very positive thing.
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  But interestingly enough, and this is something which is good
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  to talk about, I was given a message to go and teach people
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  about what was happening. It was warning them.
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  It was lifting stones to show them what was going on.
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  And for many, many years, I never felt that I was given a
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  message to go and preach. And there's an interesting
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  little distinction between the two.
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  But. If this early phase was was a
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  very positive spiritual thing, at one point on one occasion I
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  went to a location which I've been to before.
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  It was a, it was a flat. It was actually in Southampton.
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  Went to meet some people I knew very well.
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  And when I stepped across the threshold of that flat, it was
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  as though something leapt on me and I felt extremely ill.
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  I know my wife was very concerned.
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  I think she thought I was going to have a heart attack or
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  something. But in my head I, I, I came to
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  the conclusion it was a spiritual attack and something
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  pretty dark and unpleasant was attacking me.
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  And for the next, I'll say for the next couple of days, well,
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  probably into a couple of weeks, it was as though in the first
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  instance I was shown the light side.
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  And then when I got a taste of that, it was as though somebody
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  said, well, OK, I'll show you what the other side's like.
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  And so these were pretty amazing experiences, but for a very long
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  time I didn't feel it was my place to talk about them in too
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  much detail. Because when you start to talk
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  about spiritual things, you can very often find people put up
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  walls or they accuse you of various things.
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  And I, I didn't want to compromise good research with
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  maybe getting a reputation that I was trying to say something
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  about myself rather than to give a clear message.
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  But that was my story as to how things got going.
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  And then of course, as the UK column team built, Mike Robinson
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  in particular came on board. This provision of what we needed
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  continued. And I'll say maybe because I, I
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  can't prove it, but maybe this spiritual support is the reason
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  that we're still here after many trials and tribulations 20
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  years, 20 years later. But the key bit is that in the
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  very early days. It was certainly demonstrated to
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  me that what we're really into was a spiritual battle and I
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  will talk about the subjects you've asked me to talk about.
• 25:33
  But it's fascinating to me how in 2025 I meet more and more,
• 25:41
  more people who are coming to the realisation that we're not
• 25:46
  up against men and politics. We we are in this spiritual
• 25:51
  battle. And ultimately it's
• 25:53
  understanding the spiritual battle.
• 25:55
  I think that will give us the the know how and strength to
• 25:59
  deal with these things, which are clearly.
• 26:02
  Becoming more and more visible. So on that note, who, who am I
• 26:10
  addressing? Richard?
• 26:12
  I'll I'll say if anybody's got any questions or wants to
• 26:16
  challenge me, I'd I'd be delighted to respond.
• 26:23
  That's that's fantastic, Brian. I think what I'll do is I'll ask
• 26:29
  people from the audience if they have any questions at this point
• 26:32
  to come up here and ask you the question.
• 26:35
  Has anyone got any questions at this point, those experiences
• 26:40
  they'd like to share? Yeah.
• 26:42
  So there are a number of people who come and can speak to you
• 26:45
  and ask you. Brian, I'm Andrew Walden.
• 26:56
  I'm the Treasurer of Common Knowledge here in Edinburgh.
• 27:00
  First of all, I'd just like to thank you personally for sharing
• 27:03
  that experience with you, with us.
• 27:05
  So it's actually incredibly moving and I think very
• 27:08
  important what you've shared with us.
• 27:12
  I think my, my question is essentially in terms of the
• 27:17
  struggle you've described, you know, between spiritual
• 27:20
  struggle, are you hopeful that the forces of light will
• 27:23
  prevail? Well, I, I, I can smile and say
• 27:28
  that's that is the very positive mesh message.
• 27:33
  Because if you if you stick to relatively simple scripture.
• 27:38
  Of course, we're told clearly the battles already won.
• 27:43
  But we've still got a roll of foot soldiers to make sure that
• 27:48
  our part is done. And, and the reason I express it
• 27:52
  that way is because many people, when they start to see and feel
• 27:57
  and experience what's happening, it places a great pressure on
• 28:02
  them. And maybe maybe I also felt this
• 28:05
  in the beginning, that you feel the whole weight of everything
• 28:09
  is on your shoulders too. Sorted out to deal with it, to
• 28:13
  fight, fight it. But the reality is that, you
• 28:17
  know, we're not the general running it.
• 28:19
  Our job is to do our best with all of the skills that we've got
• 28:26
  wherever we are, but we haven't got to be worrying that we've
• 28:32
  got the overall responsibility to deal with the situation.
• 28:36
  What worldwide, Somebody else has got that on their shoulders,
• 28:40
  and I'm going to say that's God's part.
• 28:44
  We just do what we can. Thank you, that's a wonderful
• 28:49
  answer. Yeah.
• 28:59
  Hi, Brian. Thanks for your talk.
• 29:01
  When you said that there was techniques that people use to
• 29:06
  sort of break up functioning organisations, you know, could
• 29:11
  you describe some of those techniques?
• 29:14
  Yes, certainly I, I've seen in Plymouth, I saw this happen
• 29:21
  where it was clear that local communities were being attacked
• 29:25
  and in particular Devonport, this this key area in the city
• 29:29
  where I'd been heavily involved because I tried to get a what
• 29:33
  was a positive project off the ground to help create jobs
• 29:37
  around building a wooden boat. But essentially, if you had a
• 29:44
  group of people, the local community who were coming
• 29:47
  together to do something positive into that group would
• 29:51
  become would come a number of people.
• 29:54
  Might it might be one or two or it could in bigger groups be,
• 29:59
  you know, three or four more people.
• 30:03
  They initially appeared to be allies of the project.
• 30:06
  They initially appeared to be very good people.
• 30:09
  But once they got involved, they would slowly but surely start to
• 30:17
  break down the good relations in that group.
• 30:21
  So there might be little rumours and accusations spread around
• 30:27
  the group, and of course people don't know whether it's true or
• 30:30
  not. And then they start to become
• 30:33
  suspicious of one another. And then the net result is that
• 30:37
  the group, instead of being a nice tight team doing good works
• 30:42
  together, starts to fragment. And in some cases where we've
• 30:48
  seen this happen, you can have quite a big group of people, say
• 30:53
  up to 6050, sixty people who were doing some really good
• 30:57
  stuff and then it's like an explosion.
• 31:00
  The whole unit that's been working together breaks apart
• 31:06
  with accusations and sometimes some quite vicious stuff between
• 31:12
  people who were previously good friends and getting on very
• 31:15
  well. So a lot of the attack was by,
• 31:20
  by these people coming in masquerading as other people who
• 31:24
  wanted to help. But what they then did is is
• 31:28
  spread rumours or they started to challenge the natural leaders
• 31:33
  in the group and say we've got a better way of doing it.
• 31:36
  And, and slowly but surely, this would pull the, the group apart.
• 31:43
  And I'd, I'd just qualify this statement again, sorry, I should
• 31:46
  have probably repeated the, you know, the question for the, for
• 31:51
  the audience, because your question was, you know, how, how
• 31:54
  have I seen groups being broken up?
• 31:58
  But this is a very common technique.
• 31:59
  And one of the places that it's happening a lot is in the Church
• 32:03
  of England. So within church groups across
• 32:07
  the country where you've got more conservative congregations
• 32:14
  who are really trying to get a baseline established again of
• 32:18
  right and wrong and what's good and moral and what's not.
• 32:23
  These people come in and eventually the the people who
• 32:27
  are trying to do the right things become attacked and
• 32:30
  ostracized from the church. So that, that, that's one
• 32:34
  technique, but the other technique which became really
• 32:39
  became apparent was the use of applied psychology.
• 32:44
  And this could come in a number of forms.
• 32:46
  The first one I I was aware of was the Delphi technique,
• 32:51
  whereby if you have a a group of that same members of the public
• 32:55
  who are attending a meeting, they're challenging a policy
• 32:59
  from the local authority into the public group would be
• 33:06
  injected a couple of people. They disperse themselves through
• 33:11
  the audience and it was their their job to ask questions or to
• 33:17
  challenge in a way that started to steer the whole group.
• 33:24
  You can go online and have a look at the Delphi technique and
• 33:28
  see how it works. But in the early days for, for
• 33:31
  me, we, you know, going back to sort of 2012 onwards, this was
• 33:38
  happening in a lot of meetings where in Plymouth the City
• 33:42
  Council was absolutely bulldozing over the wishes of
• 33:46
  local people to get the city council's projects in place,
• 33:51
  completely trampling on the wishes of the local people.
• 33:56
  And it was very interesting that when I got contacted by people
• 33:59
  from other cities in UK, invariably where there were
• 34:04
  regeneration projects, especially those using large
• 34:11
  amounts of European, European Union funding, these Delphi
• 34:18
  techniques seem to come with the funding.
• 34:21
  So those those are two of the key ones.
• 34:24
  But I was later to learn, of course that Delphi technique is
• 34:29
  a specially structured application of applied
• 34:33
  psychology in order to steer people in the in the way you
• 34:37
  want them to go. But there are other more
• 34:40
  sophisticated techniques of which Neuro linguistic
• 34:44
  programming was one that I was to discover was being used.
• 34:49
  And there are many people trained in NLP.
• 34:53
  And if I mention it, I always get a bit of push back because
• 34:56
  people will say, well, I did an NLP course and I'm not a bad
• 35:00
  person and I'm only using it for good.
• 35:03
  And I'll say I recognize that. But I'm not talking about people
• 35:08
  who are trying to use it for good.
• 35:09
  I'm trying to use it. I'm trying to talk about people
• 35:12
  who are using NLP for nefarious political or personal agendas.
• 35:19
  But NLP is a form of hypnosis. But probably a good way of
• 35:25
  describing it is mesmerism. That by the use of language and
• 35:29
  grammar, you can you can draw people's attention and you can
• 35:35
  focus it in particular directions.
• 35:38
  You can reframe individuals so that they have a new set of
• 35:42
  beliefs and one of the key places that we we discovered
• 35:47
  this was being used and was being talked about was in
• 35:52
  actually it was 2010, the government produced a document
• 35:56
  called Mindspace MINDSPACE. If you search for that online as
• 36:03
  APDF Mindspace and leave a couple of spaces and then put
• 36:09
  PDF, you'll find a Cabinet Office document where the
• 36:12
  government was boasting of being able to change the way people
• 36:17
  thought and the way people behaved.
• 36:20
  Saying in in the Cabinet Office document, people will not even
• 36:26
  know this is being done or if they realise their behaviour is
• 36:31
  being changed, they won't know how it's being changed.
• 36:35
  So these are very sophisticated and clever applied psychological
• 36:41
  techniques, but we started to see them in the very early days.
• 36:45
  They were being used for criminal and malicious purposes
• 36:50
  and then we began to see those techniques formalised into
• 36:55
  government documents where they were boasting.
• 36:58
  And probably the worst case of this type of application of NLP
• 37:04
  occurred during the COVID lockdown when the Sage team, the
• 37:09
  so-called expert team the government had put in place, it
• 37:14
  had a smaller team working with it called Spy B.
• 37:21
  And in one of their minutes, they said that they needed to
• 37:24
  make people more fearful in order to get them to adhere more
• 37:30
  closely to government policy. And so I'm, I'm going to look
• 37:34
  you all in the eye. You're there as the audience.
• 37:37
  And I'll say, if you just think about this in simple terms, if
• 37:41
  you have a, a thought process, could political thought process,
• 37:46
  we'll call it, where you're going to use fear and you're
• 37:51
  going to and or you're going to change the way people think
• 37:55
  where they don't even know you're using these techniques on
• 37:58
  them. These are pretty evil
• 38:02
  techniques. And this stuff is now running
• 38:06
  rampant through local authorities and central
• 38:10
  government. So those are some of the
• 38:12
  techniques being used. OK.
• 38:16
  Thank you. That's very interesting.
• 38:33
  Hi, Brian. Hello.
• 38:35
  Hi, my name is Mark Wilkinson. I'm the chap that phoned you on
• 38:40
  Friday night. Hello.
• 38:42
  Hello, Mark. So nice to meet you.
• 38:47
  So a couple of things I'd like to know what your reaction was
• 38:52
  to our conversation. You know, like in with with a
• 38:55
  bit of hindsight, yeah. But the, the question is, is
• 39:05
  really regarding this issue of movements being infiltrated.
• 39:11
  And, and I would like to be a lot more generous.
• 39:16
  And, and you know, the favorite thing that I like to ask people
• 39:22
  to do is to shoot me down in flames as much as possible.
• 39:25
  OK, so please do. But I'm being a little bit
• 39:28
  naive, possibly by being generous.
• 39:33
  And, and what I'm, I think what I'm seeing is that when you've
• 39:37
  got an organization or a movement and they've been, and
• 39:42
  they've been, they've been existing for two years, three
• 39:45
  years, you know, and, and people within the movement start to
• 39:52
  feel that the group is not achieving what they were hoping
• 39:57
  it would achieve and not achieving what they were
• 40:00
  expecting it to achieve. And, and I think that that,
• 40:06
  that, that is very, very natural.
• 40:08
  It's very, very natural. For us to fail as as individuals
• 40:15
  and as communities and so on. You know, I've, I've, I've had
• 40:18
  several businesses which, which inevitably they all eventually
• 40:24
  fail. Yeah.
• 40:25
  I mean, they, they were successful for a period, but
• 40:27
  then they eventually fail. And, and I suppose what, what
• 40:30
  what I'm saying is that is that is that to what extent do you
• 40:36
  think that there is an argument for saying that people are
• 40:42
  trying to scapegoat their lack of success by starting to
• 40:51
  question whether they've been infiltrated or not?
• 40:54
  So they can then blame someone else for their failure because,
• 40:57
  because, because one of the, one of the, one of the biggest, you
• 41:01
  know, things that people like to do is to blame other people for
• 41:04
  their, for their failings. And, and so to what extent do
• 41:09
  you think that is actually happening?
• 41:12
  And, and it's not that these groups have been infiltrated.
• 41:18
  What? Well, again, just, I'm sure
• 41:21
  everybody could hear what you were saying in the room.
• 41:23
  But I, I, I'll just so on the telephone the other day, you
• 41:28
  talk, you talk to me about. The idea of, of being able to
• 41:32
  help people achieve more by by the way they, they operated in
• 41:40
  groups and it's been clear to me over the years that you can see
• 41:46
  groups of people coming together with a particular objective and
• 41:50
  and they really do some they do some good work.
• 41:54
  I mean, council watch just comes off the top of my head and that
• 41:58
  that's utterly brilliant Where you've gone from a couple of
• 42:03
  people starting it off to the fact you've now got people going
• 42:06
  into council meetings and challenging them in a very
• 42:11
  measured and structure way. Where the challenge is all based
• 42:14
  on facts and figures. And this thing causes the, the
• 42:18
  council, whether it's a City Council or, or, or a smaller
• 42:23
  local council to really have problems because now they've
• 42:27
  they've really got to justify policies that they're putting
• 42:30
  forward. So you can see groups of people
• 42:33
  who achieve good things on their own.
• 42:36
  But you are absolutely correct. The very often you can see
• 42:39
  people that have come together to do something and it never
• 42:43
  quite seems to work. And eventually somebody will be
• 42:49
  pulling in One Direction because they think the key thing to be
• 42:53
  targeting is X and somebody else will be saying no, no, no, we
• 42:57
  should be focusing on why. And this ends up with a split
• 43:01
  and then the group breaks down or, or explodes in a, in, in a
• 43:07
  pretty vicious way. That certainly happens and I
• 43:10
  recognise that. But I, I'm, I'm going to stick
• 43:14
  to my guns and say that particularly if you have a, a
• 43:19
  group that's working well and it's tackling a local authority
• 43:25
  or, or even some form of non government organization that's,
• 43:32
  that's pretty close to the government and the
• 43:34
  establishment. If they are starting to have
• 43:38
  success and they are having public meetings, I would not be
• 43:45
  at all surprised that those meetings are not infiltrated by
• 43:49
  people who are actually. Trained in order to help ferment
• 43:54
  the dissent. So I think both things go on,
• 43:59
  but I absolutely take your point that groups of people have a
• 44:04
  sort of predisposition to to falling.
• 44:07
  Out with each other, particularly when they're not
• 44:10
  clear on what what the aim of their efforts is about.
• 44:17
  Right. Thanks very much, Brian.
• 44:20
  OK. Thank you so much for everything
• 44:22
  that you've done for 20 hours. It's just been quite
• 44:24
  extraordinary, so thank you. Well, it has been extraordinary.
• 44:29
  It still is. But what what's unbelievable is,
• 44:33
  is the wonderful things that happen.
• 44:37
  I think I think maybe this might be a.
• 44:40
  Actually, Richard, sorry, Richard, if we could just give a
• 44:44
  minute for people who are on Zoom to have ask any questions
• 44:47
  like Mark Anderson from my, our colleague from UK column is has
• 44:51
  his hand raised. So I think he'd like to ask
• 44:53
  something as well. Yeah.
• 44:55
  Good. Great.
• 44:56
  Either way. Hello, Mark.
• 45:01
  Hey, Brian, how you doing? Fine.
• 45:05
  Yeah, nice program. I, I didn't quite sign up right
• 45:08
  on time when you started pretty early here, kind of on a Sunday,
• 45:11
  but a nice idea kind of retracing the steps of the
• 45:15
  founding UK column. When I was there recently, I
• 45:19
  picked up a copy of the Newspaper UK column.
• 45:22
  Of course, you started mostly with print from 2006 and it, it
• 45:29
  was really interesting to read those bellwether foundational
• 45:34
  issues. You know, the British
• 45:36
  Constitution group. I, I, I found through some other
• 45:39
  early issues that were in the office lawful rebellion, British
• 45:44
  Constitution group, you know, pretty soon there's stuff about
• 45:48
  common purpose and common purpose really has been one of
• 45:54
  those foundational issues for UK column that I, I hope they keep
• 45:59
  hitting on because currently if I'm wrong, common purpose sort
• 46:02
  of embodied in a more organized, extensive, rather sinister way.
• 46:07
  It embodied a lot of these techniques you're talking about,
• 46:10
  correct Neuro linguistic programming and a more organized
• 46:15
  and deep seated wide-ranging way of subverting what you might
• 46:21
  call better government as subverting proper ethical
• 46:26
  approaches to things subvert subverting in a way the biblical
• 46:31
  foundation of the moral foundation of the country.
• 46:34
  It's so it seemed like common purpose became a a a a
• 46:40
  particularly nasty manifestation of what you're talking about.
• 46:45
  Well, that that was absolutely, that was absolutely true.
• 46:49
  Mark And of course. When When We Discover and Common
• 46:52
  Purpose was started back in 1985 by a lady called Julia
• 46:56
  Middleton. It's an incredible story because
• 47:00
  this thing grows like Topsy and huge amounts of money come into
• 47:05
  it from big banks. Including Deutsche Bank, but
• 47:11
  when you try to dig into that side, it was difficult to do.
• 47:14
  But within a few years that they were boasting in, you know, in
• 47:18
  the very early days of it, they were boasting of having 85,000
• 47:23
  future leaders that were that what they meant by that is
• 47:26
  people common purpose graduates that they trained and these
• 47:31
  people were across society. They were particularly prevalent
• 47:36
  in public bodies, city councils, government departments, but
• 47:40
  everywhere fire service, police, NHS, in a very big way,
• 47:46
  education. And so these people did the
• 47:51
  course and for many of them their views and values were
• 47:55
  realigned to the way that the common purpose wanted them to be
• 48:00
  realigned. So something that I've said on
• 48:04
  many occasions when I've talked about Common Purpose is it's
• 48:09
  absolutely wrong to say that everybody who's been on a course
• 48:12
  and involved with it is a bad person.
• 48:14
  Because the truth is, most people did not really understand
• 48:19
  what Common Purpose was doing when it was training them.
• 48:23
  But nevertheless, Common Purpose trained its graduates from from
• 48:28
  young teenagers all the way up to.
• 48:32
  Mature people in mature jobs. Including pretty senior jobs,
• 48:36
  chief, chief constables or chief executives of big organisations.
• 48:42
  And those people were then used to cede this new, I'll call it
• 48:50
  liberal, liberal political thinking across their own
• 48:54
  institutions. And moreover, they were
• 48:58
  encouraged to open the doors of their institutions and
• 49:01
  organisations and companies to more common purpose training.
• 49:07
  So it, it was a, a very insidious, it is a very
• 49:11
  insidious organization that was like a Trojan horse that got
• 49:16
  inside organisations to, to reframe people with the
• 49:21
  political stance of the common purpose.
• 49:24
  And, and I, I'm afraid I can't remember the man's name, but in
• 49:28
  the very early days, I gave a talk on the stage and I was
• 49:31
  talking about common purpose. And I said wherever I encounter
• 49:35
  it, there's something I can't put my finger on.
• 49:39
  I can't quite, it does things, but I don't really know how it
• 49:44
  how it manages to do it. And at the end of the talk, a
• 49:47
  man came up to the stage and said to me, Brian, when you said
• 49:52
  you couldn't put your finger on it, he said, I'll tell you what
• 49:55
  it was. They're using NLP.
• 49:58
  And at that stage I'd never heard of NLP.
• 50:01
  But subsequently I was going to do my own research.
• 50:04
  But I was also to meet, I met people who were trainers, NLP
• 50:10
  trainers. And this is where I began to
• 50:13
  understand that common purpose. I'm going to call it Trojan
• 50:17
  Horse because that's the best description, but it was, it was
• 50:21
  getting its people inside organisations and then using the
• 50:26
  sophisticated techniques in order to change the views and
• 50:30
  values of other people. And in my opinion, this is one
• 50:34
  of the reasons why we sort of started to see an explosion of
• 50:38
  new thinking. We might call it woke now when
• 50:43
  the early days nobody was calling anything woke.
• 50:45
  You just knew that old values were being trampled on and in
• 50:50
  was coming what I now see as an increasingly dangerous
• 50:55
  liberalisation coupled with the woke agenda and, and I'm happy
• 51:02
  to argue the toss with people, but I, I now see that as a very,
• 51:07
  very, very dangerous decay of our society.
• 51:11
  Does does that cover it, Mark? Yeah, it's important to to get
• 51:17
  that in there based on what you started talking about meeting
• 51:20
  with people and realizing something was wrong.
• 51:23
  Common purpose just took everything to a whole new level
• 51:26
  of corruption and subversion. And that's just been a a
• 51:29
  foundational issue for UK column that I hope is well maintained
• 51:34
  because it sounds like UK our common purpose has not went away
• 51:38
  that they're still operational and so.
• 51:41
  Mark, if if I can just add a bit of course in in my journey to
• 51:45
  find out what this organization was and what it was about.
• 51:49
  I was stunned to find that it was operating through the office
• 51:56
  of the Deputy Prime Minister when Blair was in power.
• 52:00
  Prescott was the Deputy Prime Minister at that time.
• 52:06
  But of course later we were to learn from minutes that it was
• 52:11
  also operating alongside elements of the Cabinet Office
• 52:15
  in order to drive its people deeper into government.
• 52:20
  So this, this organization working at St. level, getting
• 52:24
  amongst very small community groups, but demonstrating also
• 52:29
  that it could work, you know, at high position amongst really
• 52:33
  powerful people in central government.
• 52:36
  Yeah, exactly. Well, well, good stuff.
• 52:39
  Yeah, that it's very important to illustrate that.
• 52:41
  It really shows how far the subversion has come in.
• 52:43
  And I like your appeal to spiritual values, that
• 52:46
  ultimately it's a spiritual battle and we need God to see
• 52:50
  this through. We can't do it on our on our
• 52:51
  own. I appreciate you outlining.
• 52:53
  That well, this is, this is a really interesting point is,
• 52:58
  isn't it? And I know that.
• 53:02
  Some people can find what what I'm talking about here is, is
• 53:05
  difficult. But if I say, isn't it
• 53:07
  interesting that one of the things that's occurred in recent
• 53:12
  years is the fact that the government has demonstrated it
• 53:15
  does not like people preaching on the streets, it does not like
• 53:20
  people praying. And so we've ended up with these
• 53:24
  no pray zones around abortion clinics, for example.
• 53:29
  But just think about it, The government's so frightened of
• 53:32
  somebody standing there, not touching anybody, not saying
• 53:37
  anything, but simply standing and praying.
• 53:41
  The government's got to bring in a law to make that unlawful.
• 53:45
  And I'm going to say it makes sense to me because the
• 53:49
  government's agenda is inherently evil and it is the
• 53:54
  evil component which understands the power of.
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  Prayer. And.
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  So exactly. That, in my head, is absolutely
• 54:04
  why you're now starting to see the government's turn against
• 54:08
  Christianity above all religions.
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  It's Christianity that's got to be stamped out.
• 54:14
  Preaching of Christianity's got to be stamped out.
• 54:18
  Prayer has got to be stamped out.
• 54:20
  That's the reason. Even silent prayer.
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  Well, good stop, Brian. OK, well, I think this is a very
• 54:27
  good time for people to and including Brian to go away and
• 54:34
  get a drink and we will come back at, I suggest at 3:15 and
• 54:42
  continue with the other issues which we were going to talk
• 54:45
  about then. Is that OK with you, Brian?
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  Well, that's absolutely brilliant because I will take a
• 54:50
  small walk and I will come for the next session properly
• 54:53
  equipped with with a beer, OK. OK.
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  Well, we look forward to seeing you then, OK.
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  All right. Thank you.
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  Refreshed. OK, OK.
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  Well, I think it's probably time that we resumed.
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  And what are you going to tackle next, Brian?
• 55:14
  Well, the first thing I would like to do, Richard, to say I
• 55:17
  obeyed the instructions. I'm able to hold up a glass.
• 55:21
  Well, stay to the play. Here we are at the end of 2025,
• 55:28
  coming up to Christmas, coming up to the end of the year, and
• 55:32
  what do we all think about things?
• 55:34
  If I had to sum up the country at the moment, I would be saying
• 55:40
  the common theme running across everything.
• 55:44
  Is chaos and confusion. So we've got chaos in the NHS,
• 55:50
  we've got chaos on the roads, we've got political chaos, we've
• 55:54
  got chaos in the military. Every direction we go, the
• 56:00
  police, the courts are now in turmoil.
• 56:03
  And we've got to, we've got to get rid of juries.
• 56:06
  That's a particularly dangerous thing.
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  But what? What you see is everything which
• 56:12
  in the past may of our institutions, in particular our
• 56:16
  systems of governance, constitution, they might not
• 56:21
  have been perfect, but I'm going to guess most of the audience
• 56:27
  old enough to remember back to where you could say, yeah,
• 56:31
  nothing's perfect, but there. Was stability.
• 56:35
  There was order. People knew how the systems
• 56:39
  worked. There was an inherent fairness.
• 56:42
  There was an inherent morality. Of course, there were
• 56:46
  exceptions. Some people were criminals or
• 56:49
  did bad things. But.
• 56:51
  Within the country there was an overall feeling of stability and
• 56:57
  a lot of that stability came from a historical stability it
• 57:02
  was to do with. Our history as a nation state
• 57:05
  and it was to do with the the people living in this country.
• 57:10
  And if we look out the window today, everything is chaos.
• 57:15
  Try and get an appointment to the dentist that sorry, the
• 57:18
  doctor's surgery. You can you pick up the phone?
• 57:22
  No right dentist. Slip of the tongue there
• 57:27
  mentioned dentist. But of course, is it easy to get
• 57:30
  an NHS dentist? No, it's not.
• 57:32
  And many people now can't get dental treatment.
• 57:35
  Chaos in the hospitals, in the A&E departments, everywhere we
• 57:39
  go is chaos. This is not, in my opinion, this
• 57:43
  is not accidental. This is orchestrated chaos, and
• 57:48
  it's been orchestrated because as a nation.
• 57:54
  As as society, as communities, as families, we are being
• 58:00
  attacked. And that attack in order to
• 58:05
  create a new political situation is first of all destabilising
• 58:14
  and destroying the old order. And the attack is so vicious
• 58:20
  that it isn't only about our institutions.
• 58:23
  It's come in to attack families and it's come in to attack the
• 58:28
  very nature of what it means to be a man or what it what it
• 58:31
  means to be a woman. And I often find myself
• 58:35
  thinking, what would people have said prior to or during or just
• 58:41
  after the Second World War that. The the nation in years to come
• 58:48
  for them would be trying to say that a man was a woman or that
• 58:54
  men were going to be allowed into women's toilets and shower
• 58:58
  areas. What?
• 58:59
  What would people? If we go back into the 1950s,
• 59:03
  what would they have been saying about this?
• 59:05
  They would have regarded it as madness.
• 59:08
  But that madness has been imposed on the nation.
• 59:11
  And why have they done this? Because it it is breaking down
• 59:16
  the whole fabric. We don't even know what's a real
• 59:19
  man or what's a real woman. And on top of it, we've got a
• 59:23
  really, really vicious attack on young children which is coming
• 59:29
  in via the sexualisation of very young children.
• 59:33
  Now, of course, what is coming through mainstream media in the
• 59:37
  pop circuit, K pop, all of the scantily clad female, some male
• 59:47
  role models which young children are picking up, that's one part
• 59:50
  of the agenda. But another part of the agenda
• 59:53
  is what is actually being taught to these children in schools.
• 59:57
  And of course we've mentioned teams of people doing good work
• 1:00:02
  and into my head comes the ladies in South Wales, Public
• 1:00:07
  Child Protection Wales, where those ladies mums have been
• 1:00:13
  highlighting and exposing the really vicious, unpleasant
• 1:00:19
  sexualization of very, very young children by what what can
• 1:00:25
  only be described as obscene. Sexual education in inverted
• 1:00:30
  commas. So in 2025 for me, we, we exist
• 1:00:36
  in a country which is at breakdown and very often you'll
• 1:00:41
  see a headline in the paper which will be broken.
• 1:00:45
  Britain, I think even Nigel Frage on several occasions says
• 1:00:49
  the system's broken. He's perhaps he was talking
• 1:00:53
  about immigration. And the moment I hear somebody
• 1:00:57
  saying broken Britain or reporting broken Britain, it
• 1:01:02
  makes me annoyed because it's not broken Britain.
• 1:01:06
  It's the fact that Britain has been broken.
• 1:01:11
  It's deliberately malicious political policy which is being
• 1:01:17
  used to break down the nation state.
• 1:01:20
  And why is this happening? Well.
• 1:01:24
  There's a sort of little well, no, it's not a story actually,
• 1:01:28
  there's a man called Peter Drucker who was a an
• 1:01:31
  international business consultant and he was
• 1:01:34
  particularly skilled at a helping very big companies,
• 1:01:40
  global corporations to change their commercial structure could
• 1:01:47
  be combined with branding. And one of the things that he
• 1:01:51
  talked about was that if you had a very big monolithic structure
• 1:01:56
  and, and it was doing its job, it was all working OK.
• 1:02:01
  If you wanted to get that structure going in a different
• 1:02:04
  direction, you had to destabilize it because people
• 1:02:09
  who were happy and confident in their jobs didn't want to be
• 1:02:14
  going in a different direction. They wanted to be carrying on
• 1:02:17
  with life. They were good at their jobs.
• 1:02:19
  They were enjoying their jobs. And, and he was one of the one
• 1:02:25
  of the so-called business experts that said, if you've got
• 1:02:27
  a big organization and it's going to change direction, you
• 1:02:32
  have to destabilize it. And This is why about 10 years
• 1:02:37
  ago we started to hear people actually being described as
• 1:02:43
  change agents or disruptors. And when we went to look at what
• 1:02:50
  these disruptors and change agents said, you you can find
• 1:02:54
  people speaking about it on YouTube, they actually said.
• 1:02:59
  Our job is to destabilise and challenge everything in order to
• 1:03:05
  get people thinking in a different way, and I think it's
• 1:03:09
  interesting that what I'm describing also comes under this
• 1:03:13
  psychological. The psychological tech
• 1:03:17
  techniques, because you're using people in a particular way to
• 1:03:21
  change the way people think and behave.
• 1:03:24
  So everything is about destabilisation and breakdown.
• 1:03:30
  And what I'm suggesting to you is that the reason this is
• 1:03:35
  happening is because the country's got to be shaken to
• 1:03:39
  its roots. The institutions have got to be
• 1:03:42
  broken down South. People can't trust anything,
• 1:03:45
  they can't trust the courts or the police or if they're going
• 1:03:48
  to get treated properly in the NHS.
• 1:03:51
  This is deliberate policy in order to soften, soften this up
• 1:03:56
  as to what comes next. Now just add to that that in the
• 1:04:00
  early days when I was beginning to realise something was badly
• 1:04:06
  wrong in the country myself, I'm seeing all the fraud and
• 1:04:09
  corruption in Plymouth. A man out out of the blue sent
• 1:04:13
  me a copy of a book, and the book was called The EU
• 1:04:18
  Collective Enemy of its member states, and it was written by a
• 1:04:24
  man called Christopher Story. I I met him about a year later.
• 1:04:29
  He's no longer alive, but. One afternoon I sat down with a
• 1:04:35
  cup of tea to read that book or start reading it.
• 1:04:38
  And I opened it and within a few pages of the front cover was a
• 1:04:43
  table. And the table describes first of
• 1:04:48
  all the destabilisation of UK Western countries.
• 1:04:55
  The destabilisation, sorry, first of all it was
• 1:04:59
  demoralisation, then destabilisation, then what it
• 1:05:04
  called the revolution period, the complete breakdown and, and
• 1:05:10
  the synthesis following the complete breakdown of the
• 1:05:13
  country was what it called normalisation, which was, which
• 1:05:18
  was a new society. And I, I looked at this table on
• 1:05:23
  the left hand side, it talked about areas of society, law,
• 1:05:28
  order, health, education, military.
• 1:05:32
  And then it said what was to be done to break up those areas.
• 1:05:37
  And then it said what the result was.
• 1:05:39
  So if I gave you a really simple one with health, it said
• 1:05:44
  introduce junk food and the result was going to be a
• 1:05:50
  complete breakdown in the. Health and well-being of the
• 1:05:53
  nation. I can tell you that in the
• 1:05:56
  military, it said that the military.
• 1:06:00
  Was to be exposed to the gay agenda and women in the
• 1:06:04
  military, and the result was to be a weakening of military
• 1:06:09
  forces. Now I know to some people those
• 1:06:12
  two issues might be a motive, and I'm very happy to talk about
• 1:06:16
  that. So sort of separate thing, but
• 1:06:19
  for me, when I looked at the table, my head said, this is
• 1:06:23
  happening. And one of the things I did is
• 1:06:27
  focus photocopied that table. And at meetings or talks that I
• 1:06:32
  went to give, I would show people the table without any
• 1:06:35
  context. I'd just say, have a look at
• 1:06:37
  this, what do you think? And you'd see them start to read
• 1:06:41
  it and then you'd see their browse get a little bit furrowed
• 1:06:47
  and then they'd say, but this is happening.
• 1:06:51
  So just by seeing this table, which was a plan to demoralise a
• 1:06:56
  country, to destabilise a country to the extent that
• 1:07:01
  ultimately you can install a new political regime, this was all
• 1:07:05
  planned policy. Now unfortunately I lost my or I
• 1:07:09
  gave my loaned my copy of that book, the EU Collective, enemy
• 1:07:14
  of it, enemy of its member States to somebody who didn't
• 1:07:18
  give it back. But you can find that book as
• 1:07:21
  APDF online and you can see the the table.
• 1:07:26
  I'm talking about yourself. But this is the meat of where we
• 1:07:32
  are today. If you feel that around you,
• 1:07:36
  everything is spinning. We can't deal with immigration.
• 1:07:41
  The police are off the rails. We can't deal with the child
• 1:07:44
  abusers. The courts don't run properly.
• 1:07:47
  We've got to get rid of juries. You can't get yourself seen in a
• 1:07:52
  doctor's surgery. You can't get your teeth fixed,
• 1:07:55
  children being sexualized. This is a whirlwind of chaos
• 1:08:01
  which is designed by very, very malicious people as a means of
• 1:08:06
  attacking a whole society. And I'm going to say to you as
• 1:08:11
  my audience today in 2025, this is extremely well advanced now
• 1:08:18
  so that you can start to see people who are beginning to get
• 1:08:22
  fractious with each other as a result of the confusion and
• 1:08:27
  turbulence. And of course, helping to drive
• 1:08:32
  this situation. We have mainstream media such as
• 1:08:37
  the BBC, which is now completely out of control.
• 1:08:42
  It's it's not doing any proper questioning of politicians.
• 1:08:46
  It's not doing any proper investigation to get to the
• 1:08:49
  bottom of stories. It's not challenging MPs
• 1:08:54
  properly over the grooming gangs.
• 1:08:56
  We can clearly see that the mainstream media is itself being
• 1:09:01
  controlled in a way that it's not helping the public get to
• 1:09:06
  the bottom of what's happening with a view to stopping it.
• 1:09:10
  It's actually causing greater confusion and turbulence in in
• 1:09:15
  people's minds and coupled with that we've got a whole plethora
• 1:09:20
  of legislation which is coming through very rapidly making it
• 1:09:25
  more difficult for adults to go on social media to find out
• 1:09:31
  what's really happening. So the Social Media Channels UK
• 1:09:36
  column is one of them. But there are there are many
• 1:09:39
  other good channels. They're all under pressure
• 1:09:42
  because we can see that the government is using its powers,
• 1:09:46
  often internationally as a way of shut, of shutting down media
• 1:09:51
  exposure of what's of what's really going on.
• 1:09:55
  So in my mind, it's very clear that UK is being attacked and
• 1:10:03
  the aim is to completely break this country down.
• 1:10:07
  Violence on the street is good as far as the establishment's
• 1:10:12
  concerned because if you can get violence on the street then you
• 1:10:16
  can bring in emergency powers, emergency laws.
• 1:10:20
  Plus you can use the full weight of the police, armed police,
• 1:10:25
  riot police and indeed the military in order to help
• 1:10:29
  completely squash free speech in the nation.
• 1:10:34
  So to me, UK very, very dark in 2025 and this agenda of created
• 1:10:44
  chaos as the final step to a completely different sort of
• 1:10:50
  society. This, this is where we are.
• 1:10:54
  What is the society that they're bringing in?
• 1:10:58
  Well, that's getting ever more clear to see, isn't it?
• 1:11:01
  Because you can. You've seen all of the reports
• 1:11:05
  to date on the surveillance state, and this may be
• 1:11:10
  everything from surveillance from of our faces through CCTV
• 1:11:15
  cameras to the fact that with now digital banking, the state
• 1:11:21
  is able to pry into the simplest transactions we might have as an
• 1:11:26
  individual or as a family. On top of that, we've got the
• 1:11:31
  police being increasingly brutal and aggressive in their
• 1:11:36
  behaviour, to the extent that we've now got the police kicking
• 1:11:41
  in people's doors because they've said something which is
• 1:11:44
  hurt somebody else on social media.
• 1:11:48
  We've got courts taking children away from families because of
• 1:11:53
  their political beliefs. And if you're saying that can't
• 1:11:58
  possibly be true, well take yourself back to 2012 when it
• 1:12:03
  was reported, across most of the mainstream papers at least, that
• 1:12:08
  a UKIP couple that had their foster children taken away from
• 1:12:11
  them because the local authority had decided that their UKIP
• 1:12:17
  beliefs were two extremist right wing.
• 1:12:21
  And now we've got Lord Leveson, retired judge, who was the man
• 1:12:26
  that the government used in order to bring in the Leveson
• 1:12:30
  inquiry into freedom of the press.
• 1:12:34
  What did he achieve? Well, he actually achieved the
• 1:12:37
  exact opposite, which was the the press being made fearful of
• 1:12:43
  doing its traditional job of investigating and reporting.
• 1:12:48
  Lord Leveson has just been used to do to carry out what he
• 1:12:53
  describes as an independent review of the court system where
• 1:12:58
  he's now recommending, supported by Lammy, that we should get rid
• 1:13:04
  of jury trials in order to get rid of the backlog of cases
• 1:13:09
  which have apparently been caused by COVID troubles and
• 1:13:12
  COVID lockdown. We're going to get rid of the
• 1:13:15
  jury and from more minor trials you are going to be sat in front
• 1:13:22
  of a single politically appointed judge who will decide
• 1:13:26
  whether you are innocent or guilty.
• 1:13:29
  So what can I add to that? Well, probably I'll pause before
• 1:13:36
  we go on to it, but one of the key issues that I'm aware of is
• 1:13:40
  breakdown of the armed forces. We've now got to a stage where
• 1:13:45
  the British Army is barely capable of putting 20,000 men
• 1:13:50
  into the field into a combat situation.
• 1:13:54
  And even if it got 20,000 men into the field, it probably
• 1:13:59
  could only keep them in the field for a matter of weeks.
• 1:14:03
  That's not my personal opinion. That's been reported quite
• 1:14:06
  widely as well. So we we've got a massive
• 1:14:10
  breakdown in our armed forces at the very time that we have a
• 1:14:15
  government that is working desperately hard to make people
• 1:14:20
  fearful of a Russian attack on Western Europe.
• 1:14:25
  And indeed when they mention nuclear weapons to make people
• 1:14:29
  fearful that they're going to die in some nuclear Holocaust.
• 1:14:35
  So this is the reality of the UK we live in at the moment.
• 1:14:40
  But there's a reason for it. The reason is that we are being
• 1:14:43
  attacked. And if we are going to deal with
• 1:14:47
  the attack, we have to see it for what it is.
• 1:14:52
  We have to understand it. We have to understand the
• 1:14:54
  techniques being used against us.
• 1:14:57
  And it's only then that we're going to be in a position to
• 1:15:00
  actually fight back and challenge and counter what's
• 1:15:05
  actually happening. So Richard, if I break there
• 1:15:09
  because I've sort of taken it that it leads into having a chat
• 1:15:12
  about Ukraine and World War. Three another happy subject for
• 1:15:17
  us to enjoy our beer with and. If I could just quickly say that
• 1:15:23
  in the in the Zoom chat, Mark's put in a couple of comments that
• 1:15:27
  Mark Anderson again that I think are are very relevant to say
• 1:15:32
  broken Britain in inverted commas implies it's a passive
• 1:15:35
  process without deliberate sabotage.
• 1:15:39
  And he also put in a couple of reminders. 1 is that Bilderberg
• 1:15:43
  helped create the EU and and he also said and to think we fund
• 1:15:48
  expensive militaries to protect us from China and other purely
• 1:15:53
  external threats. OK.
• 1:15:56
  So at this point, I'm asked our audience to ask them whether
• 1:16:01
  they'd like to ask some questions of you.
• 1:16:04
  Brian, it's OK. Please do.
• 1:16:17
  Brian, I wonder whether my own perception is that we reached
• 1:16:22
  kind of what I would call peak walk maybe 2-3 years ago.
• 1:16:28
  And I think since then, you know, the, the kind of LGBTQ
• 1:16:34
  plus agendas, not so much in your face, not quite so much in
• 1:16:38
  your face as it was. I mean, they seem to be on the
• 1:16:40
  back foot. I mean, here in Leeds, for
• 1:16:42
  example, we have an organization in Scotland called LGBT Youth
• 1:16:47
  Scotland. And although there's by charity
• 1:16:51
  law in their own constitution is supposed to focus on youth of
• 1:16:55
  certain age, years of age, plus they have been active in primary
• 1:17:00
  schools, you know, promoting their agenda, which is obviously
• 1:17:04
  A cause of concern. But that said organization used
• 1:17:06
  to have an office here in lease, you know, that couple of 100
• 1:17:09
  yards away from where we're sitting now, that office is now
• 1:17:13
  closed. And I think that's me as an
• 1:17:15
  example of their profile and strength in society is actually
• 1:17:21
  a bit weaker than it was say 2-3 years ago.
• 1:17:22
  It's obviously still there. I mean, if we're looking at the
• 1:17:24
  Sandy Peggy case recently. But even there, you know, the
• 1:17:27
  judging question was mentioned asked of himself, you know,
• 1:17:31
  apparently using AI or something to get a really ridiculous
• 1:17:34
  judgement trying to justify the NHS fight for reasonable in
• 1:17:38
  allowing Dr. Upton to go into thank you women's changing room.
• 1:17:44
  So to my mind, there's I think of a bit of a background.
• 1:17:47
  I wonder whether the powers would be in a bit of a quandary
• 1:17:49
  because as you're about to discuss, they're pumping up the
• 1:17:53
  war agenda. You know, we're going to war
• 1:17:54
  with Russia and Mark Reuters making these horrendous
• 1:17:57
  statements. You'd be ready for a war that
• 1:17:59
  your grandfathers and great, great grandfathers were familiar
• 1:18:02
  with. Terrible statements.
• 1:18:03
  But I wonder if in order to get people behind that, you have to
• 1:18:07
  kind of pull back on the LGBTQ agenda, which as you've said
• 1:18:10
  before, is not consistent with military vigour that one would
• 1:18:14
  imagine is necessary to fight a war that our grandfathers fault.
• 1:18:20
  OK, OK. Thank you very much for that.
• 1:18:22
  And I particularly like your question because it, it
• 1:18:28
  inherently brings us back onto something positive.
• 1:18:31
  I, I think you are absolutely right that the woke agenda was
• 1:18:38
  pushed too far too quickly to the extent that it got under
• 1:18:45
  people's skin. But the key thing is once it got
• 1:18:49
  under their skin, what did they do?
• 1:18:52
  And the answer is they started to do things.
• 1:18:55
  They started to speak out of it, out about it.
• 1:18:59
  You would see, you might see a Daily Mail article.
• 1:19:02
  And then if you want to see the comments underneath, there was
• 1:19:05
  comment after comment after comment, hundreds of comments
• 1:19:09
  where people would be saying this is utterly nonsense, It's
• 1:19:12
  ridiculous. We're not having it.
• 1:19:16
  And so it was the fact that people, in my opinion, it was
• 1:19:20
  the fact that people actually started to express not only as
• 1:19:26
  individuals, but but within, within their communities and
• 1:19:30
  publicly their deep unhappiness with the agenda, with the woke
• 1:19:38
  agenda. Plus they were ridiculing it.
• 1:19:44
  And and so for the people trying to implement the policies once
• 1:19:48
  it became apparent to them. That that people saw it as
• 1:19:53
  something not only stupid and ridiculous, but they were
• 1:19:57
  ridiculing it. And then they are calmly saying
• 1:20:00
  we're not having it and they're starting to challenge.
• 1:20:03
  It where for example local local authorities were maybe bringing
• 1:20:10
  in trans into into the women's changing rooms as a simple
• 1:20:15
  example. It was this public opinion, it
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  was like an osmosis of public opinion which made the policy
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  people realise they'd overcooked it and therefore they had to
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  step back because if they pushed it, what they will be telling.
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  More of the. Public is that this is a an
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  aggressive agenda which we've got to enforce on you.
• 1:20:43
  So there's a little bit of a. I think a tie in here with
• 1:20:47
  Mark's point earlier when he was talking about how do we do
• 1:20:51
  things, what can we do? But this particular subject, the
• 1:20:55
  backlash against woke has been utterly brilliant because it's
• 1:21:01
  been so simple for most people to do.
• 1:21:03
  They've simply got hot under the collar and have spoken out
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  publicly saying they're not having it and it and it's
• 1:21:12
  produced a result. And I think this is this is a
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  great teaching point for the fact that other subject areas
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  could be dealt with in the same way.
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  So for example, the fact that you can't get a doctor's
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  appointment by picking up a phone and saying I'm sick and I
• 1:21:30
  need to come and see a doctor. This should be dealt with by
• 1:21:34
  thousands of people coming out publicly and talking about it.
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  But the irony is that many of them are not tackling that
• 1:21:45
  subject with the same vehemence. They're simply accepting it as a
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  fait accompli. But first of all, I want to say
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  that yes, I agree. I think that the woke agenda and
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  it's the policies have been stalled as a result of
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  increasing backlash from the public.
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  I. Think we have a question from Is
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  It Rob? No, I actually I just joined you
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  because. Oh OK, I saw your camera on,
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  sorry about that. I was I was out in in a storm
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  and managed to get home with the dog and my wife so I just OK I
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  just logged in. OK, no problem welcome.
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  Merry Christmas to you all, Merry.
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  Christmas, Yeah. Yeah.
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  Do you have a question, Brian? Could I just the the state state
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  of the nation according to you seems to be absolutely terrible.
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  But do you think that this this actually leaves a space for new
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  things to come, not the new things which are being imposed
• 1:23:10
  on us, but other things. So what what we're trying to do
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  in common knowledge is to think about, OK, we understand what is
• 1:23:22
  trying to be imposed on us. What are the alternatives?
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  What do we think we really want? And can we start to create what
• 1:23:30
  we really want in the future rather than kind of looking back
• 1:23:33
  and wringing our hands and saying, oh, this, you know,
• 1:23:36
  everything's terrible. We need to look to the future
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  and put in place things which will in some cases, replace what
• 1:23:44
  we have at the moment and be better than what we have at the
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  moment. Yes, Richard, this is a really
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  good point and. I'll say I've never been shy on
• 1:23:54
  really ramming home to people how serious things are because
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  probably I've, I've got a little bit of something still attached
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  to me from the early days where you'd often be talking to an
• 1:24:08
  audience where they clearly did not understand anything that was
• 1:24:13
  happening around them. They were just, they were just
• 1:24:16
  happy and and you needed to start actually.
• 1:24:22
  Getting into their psyche to make them understand, no, you
• 1:24:26
  can't just sit here and pretend it's it's all a bit of a joke.
• 1:24:29
  It's all a bit of cock up. No, we're we're dealing with
• 1:24:33
  orchestrated conspiracy. So I'm sorry if I've unleashed a
• 1:24:37
  bit of that on an audience where I know you've got people who
• 1:24:40
  want to do positive things. So I'm really.
• 1:24:43
  Happy to switch back the other way.
• 1:24:45
  I, I sorted out a couple of books while I was sort of
• 1:24:48
  preparing myself for this. And one of the ones that came to
• 1:24:52
  hand is this is a little book by Vernon Coleman, who I got a lot
• 1:24:57
  of respect from. It's called Bloodless
• 1:24:59
  Revolution, and it then says, now we can change the world in
• 1:25:05
  one day. And this little book by Vernon
• 1:25:09
  Coleman includes, Hang on a minute before I see if I can
• 1:25:14
  just find the last paragraph. Well, it's it's over 200.
• 1:25:18
  It's 277 points of what can be done in order to make a
• 1:25:25
  difference. And as I pick this book up, it
• 1:25:29
  sort of flicked open on a particular page.
• 1:25:32
  And what caught my eye was his .2200 and 50.
• 1:25:38
  And he says our first step to freedom must be to free
• 1:25:44
  ourselves of the party system and return to days when our
• 1:25:49
  parliament consisted of honest, caring individuals and who were,
• 1:25:54
  who were representing the people in their constituencies.
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  And I'd, I highlighted it and marked the book on that one
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  because personally, I think this is a very, very powerful
• 1:26:09
  statement. If you look at the way society
• 1:26:12
  is being controlled, it's being controlled through a highly
• 1:26:16
  orchestrated party political system.
• 1:26:20
  And if we're to achieve some real beneficial change, we've,
• 1:26:25
  we've got to be breaking that party system down.
• 1:26:30
  Now I'm then going to say ideal and I'm friends with people in
• 1:26:35
  many of the smaller parties of heritage party comes into my
• 1:26:39
  mind and what I always say to them is you are doing a good job
• 1:26:45
  because you're helping to break down the monolithic party
• 1:26:49
  system. But ultimately it's my personal
• 1:26:53
  view that if somebody stands to represent us in the community or
• 1:26:59
  us via Parliament, then they should be doing it as an
• 1:27:02
  individual and not under this orchestrated party system.
• 1:27:09
  So I just throw that that in as one example.
• 1:27:13
  But as long as people do understand that we're up against
• 1:27:20
  something really nasty, we can look at every possibility as to
• 1:27:25
  what we should do because exposure is still a very
• 1:27:29
  powerful tool. Most people in UK have no idea
• 1:27:34
  what's really going on in the country.
• 1:27:36
  So when people do their research, maybe they're using
• 1:27:41
  parliamentary sources or they're doing Freedom of Information
• 1:27:45
  requests when they have got the factual evidence demonstrating
• 1:27:50
  what's wrong and what's being done inside the country.
• 1:27:53
  And that is delivered to. Other people in the country that
• 1:27:58
  simple research and exposure is itself a very powerful tool.
• 1:28:03
  I mentioned the ladies in Wales, Public Child Protection Wales,
• 1:28:08
  they've taken their investigation of the grooming of
• 1:28:11
  school, young school children to the point where they've been
• 1:28:15
  able to produce their own written documents, helping to
• 1:28:21
  train teachers into what they should be doing.
• 1:28:24
  Some of their literature is able to use government statements on
• 1:28:31
  its sexualisation of children and they've been able to show
• 1:28:36
  teachers that the government's own policy fits grooming of
• 1:28:41
  children as a criminal act. So that's a very small group
• 1:28:45
  have done it. I've also mentioned the the
• 1:28:49
  people challenging the council's council watch.
• 1:28:53
  You're another group that's set up.
• 1:28:55
  So I believe that we can be very relaxed about what we tell
• 1:29:02
  people to go and do and what they should challenge because
• 1:29:07
  people inherently were best in sectors that they understand.
• 1:29:11
  So it's to me it seems logical that if you've got people who've
• 1:29:14
  been through the NHS, for example, they are the ones who
• 1:29:18
  should start to work out what they can do in order to
• 1:29:23
  challenge what's happening in the NHS and produce something
• 1:29:27
  better. So we can afford to be pretty
• 1:29:32
  relaxed with the people who are brought on board to fight.
• 1:29:37
  There's no need to be prescriptive.
• 1:29:40
  And because I did pay attention to Mark when he was talking to
• 1:29:43
  me on the phone, one of the things Mark said was what would
• 1:29:47
  help people fight is if we can give them more black and white
• 1:29:54
  examples of this was the problem, this is what was done,
• 1:29:59
  This is why the counter turned out to be a success.
• 1:30:04
  So if we could, if we know what the problems are, if we can show
• 1:30:07
  people what works to bring down that regime or or build a better
• 1:30:14
  system, then we are doing the right job and we want that
• 1:30:19
  message to spread. Well, that that's actually quite
• 1:30:23
  a good way of me giving some publicity to a conference that
• 1:30:31
  we're going to be holding in February, which is about
• 1:30:35
  basically empowerment of people. And the idea is to look at a
• 1:30:40
  number of different areas where people have seen there's a
• 1:30:43
  problem and they've taken the initiative and they've done
• 1:30:46
  something about it and they're on the way to making
• 1:30:50
  improvements in that, in that area.
• 1:30:52
  So I think I personally think that that's one of the areas
• 1:30:55
  that we should be going into, showing people that they do have
• 1:30:59
  power, that they're not completely subjective subjects
• 1:31:06
  of people, that they actually can go out and do and make a
• 1:31:09
  difference. And I think that that's a kind
• 1:31:12
  of very positive thing that we can say.
• 1:31:15
  And what I'd like to add to that is and, and a smile as I say
• 1:31:20
  this, because it's a little bit of military background coming,
• 1:31:24
  coming to the fore. But if you, if you look at
• 1:31:28
  warfare and you look at where minor powers have taken on major
• 1:31:33
  powers, the thing which has caused the major power the most
• 1:31:38
  problem is guerrilla style warfare.
• 1:31:42
  Now we're not talking about encouraging people to engage in
• 1:31:47
  physical warfare. This is an information war
• 1:31:51
  mainly that we're we're in. But nevertheless, the techniques
• 1:31:56
  of guerrilla operations, I believe are very important, and
• 1:31:59
  that is that you train people so that they know why they're doing
• 1:32:04
  what they're doing. You train them, you give them
• 1:32:07
  the tools. In the real circumstance, it
• 1:32:12
  will be the weapon. But we're not dealing in
• 1:32:14
  weapons. We're dealing in pen and paper
• 1:32:17
  and exposure and challenges and maybe demonstrations, but it's
• 1:32:23
  done in such a way that once you've given people the material
• 1:32:27
  and the encouragement, the training to go and do the job,
• 1:32:31
  they are allowed to go and and do that job in their own area.
• 1:32:38
  Because they know their own area best.
• 1:32:41
  And their own area may be a professional area, or it might
• 1:32:45
  be a geographical area, might be a part of the country where they
• 1:32:49
  really stay understand what's taking place.
• 1:32:53
  But the reason I believe that our whole counter to what's
• 1:32:58
  being done should be in a guerrilla style is because every
• 1:33:02
  time you attempt a major response to these criminal
• 1:33:09
  political bodies and, and their and their support agencies, they
• 1:33:14
  are very, very good at attacking and bringing down orchestrated
• 1:33:20
  bodies. Where there's a pyramid, can a
• 1:33:23
  pyramid command structure, one or two people at the top are the
• 1:33:27
  ones who are giving all the instructions and, and people
• 1:33:32
  don't move unless there's communications from inside this
• 1:33:37
  body, this authority. Now gorilla, the gorilla system
• 1:33:41
  doesn't work like that. Provided people have got the
• 1:33:44
  knowledge of how to fight, provided they've got the right
• 1:33:47
  tools to fight, they are largely left alone to to conduct the
• 1:33:54
  battle in their own area. And because there's no central
• 1:33:58
  communications, no central command and control structure,
• 1:34:03
  it's very, very difficult for the opposing forces to break
• 1:34:08
  them down. This is one of the key reasons.
• 1:34:11
  Apologies to you, Mark. This is one of the very simple
• 1:34:15
  reasons why the operations of the Viet Cong was so difficult
• 1:34:21
  for the Americans to counter with all their might in Vietnam.
• 1:34:26
  But it's been the same in other guerrilla warfares.
• 1:34:30
  Relatively small numbers of people, often poorly armed and
• 1:34:34
  equipped, cause big trouble for for bigger, aggressive military
• 1:34:40
  organisations. Brian, we haven't left very much
• 1:34:45
  time, but I just wonder whether you could say a few words about
• 1:34:48
  the push at the moment to get us to go to war with Russia.
• 1:34:53
  Well, my first comment is that although we're seeing all the
• 1:34:59
  hype, I don't believe that they want us to go to war with
• 1:35:04
  Russia. They're more interested in how
• 1:35:07
  fearful they can make the Western population as a whole,
• 1:35:12
  because if they can make the population fearful enough, they
• 1:35:16
  can control the population more easily.
• 1:35:19
  And also they can bring in further draconian policies in
• 1:35:24
  order to control everyday life. So Free Press can be closed
• 1:35:31
  down. We can have arbitrary arrests on
• 1:35:34
  the streets as a result of some accusation that you've you've
• 1:35:38
  helped to a foreign power. So I believe that the the big
• 1:35:43
  call that war is coming and we want to do this, and that it's
• 1:35:47
  fear. That's what they want.
• 1:35:48
  First of all, this is psychological attack on our
• 1:35:52
  minds. However, in doing this, are
• 1:35:56
  these people, they're intelligent, but they're clearly
• 1:36:00
  mad and very dangerous. In doing this, are they taking
• 1:36:04
  us closer to a circumstance where they could trigger an
• 1:36:10
  expanded war with Russia? And I think the answer to that
• 1:36:13
  is absolutely they are. And therefore we need to be
• 1:36:19
  holding our politicians to account whenever we're hearing
• 1:36:24
  this war mongering rhetoric. Because OK, I'm a long time out
• 1:36:30
  of the military and was Cold War days for me.
• 1:36:32
  But it's absolutely obvious to me that NATO, but also the
• 1:36:37
  European Union has been used as a vehicle to expand NATO
• 1:36:44
  military power eastwards. And the European Union has
• 1:36:48
  absolutely been on board with that same agenda.
• 1:36:52
  And for the Russians, and it would be the same if it was the
• 1:36:55
  Americans. Well, the example was Cuba,
• 1:36:59
  when, when missiles were going to be brought really close to
• 1:37:03
  the borders of the of the USA, the Americans had to say no,
• 1:37:08
  this can't happen. It's to do with warning times.
• 1:37:12
  The Russians have had to say the same.
• 1:37:14
  So this war in Ukraine has been ramped up deliberately in order
• 1:37:22
  in the first instance for NATO, but more importantly the
• 1:37:27
  European Union to expand its empire eastward.
• 1:37:31
  And of course, Ukraine is such a huge attraction because of its
• 1:37:35
  vast food and mineral wealth. So that's been the other thing.
• 1:37:41
  And if you've never heard the term before, if you go into
• 1:37:45
  European policy going way back to just post World War, the
• 1:37:51
  phrase was from the Atlantic to the Urals.
• 1:37:56
  The the policy dream for the European project was that the
• 1:38:01
  European Union would extend from the Atlantic to the Urals and
• 1:38:07
  that automatically means that Russia had to be brought into
• 1:38:11
  the project. As we've seen, Russia's not
• 1:38:15
  playing the game. And now, in my opinion, that's
• 1:38:19
  why we've got this vicious, vicious backlash against Russia,
• 1:38:23
  where the Western powers are going to fight to the last
• 1:38:27
  Ukrainian in order to try and fragment Russia so that the
• 1:38:33
  European powers can claim the land east to the Urals.
• 1:38:39
  So I would not be relaxing over Christmas thinking we're all
• 1:38:44
  going to die in a nuclear war next year.
• 1:38:47
  I don't think that's going to happen, but what I think we
• 1:38:52
  should be concerned with is that we've got such a vicious and mad
• 1:38:57
  rhetoric from our politicians calling for war and using terms
• 1:39:02
  of war, that we've got to call out these people before they do
• 1:39:07
  something silly which triggers conflict.
• 1:39:12
  That that's how I view it at the moment.
• 1:39:17
  Well, I think that's a fantastic analysis, Brian.
• 1:39:21
  I think we're just coming to the end of our two hours now.
• 1:39:25
  So I'd just like to thank you on behalf of everyone at Common
• 1:39:28
  Knowledge for giving us such a, a broad understanding your, your
• 1:39:39
  very detailed analysis of many, many different situations.
• 1:39:44
  And I think it's given us lots of food for thought over the
• 1:39:49
  Christmas period and also a lot of positivity as well because
• 1:39:54
  you see that, you know, we shouldn't be people who are
• 1:39:58
  scared that we have power of ourselves.
• 1:40:01
  If you understand what's going on, we can do things about it.
• 1:40:05
  And I think that's a very positive note on which to end
• 1:40:08
  2025. So thank you very much indeed
• 1:40:11
  for giving up your time. And for giving us your many and
• 1:40:16
  many varied views on huge number of different issues.
• 1:40:20
  So thank you very much indeed, Brian.
• 1:40:23
  Well, Richard and team and also big thank you to Diane for
• 1:40:28
  helping to set this up and and and run the event today.
• 1:40:33
  Yeah, thank you for inviting me. It's been fun.
• 1:40:37
  I've still got some of my beer left, so the day's going well.
• 1:40:41
  Yeah, I just want to end on the fact that we're coming up to
• 1:40:45
  Christmas. Christmas itself has changed,
• 1:40:48
  hasn't it? I I don't think it was something
• 1:40:52
  which I I felt as an individual, which was something you feel
• 1:40:55
  because you were younger. But for me, Christmas, when it
• 1:41:00
  came in years gone by, had a calm to it.
• 1:41:05
  Christmas was approaching and there was a an atmosphere which
• 1:41:09
  sort of took over. And now we're surrounded by more
• 1:41:14
  and more LE DS and flashing neon lights.
• 1:41:18
  And it seems to me the more those lights appear, the less
• 1:41:21
  there's a feeling of Christmas. And I know we could have a deep
• 1:41:26
  discussion about what Christmas really is.
• 1:41:28
  But if we if we say that Christmas has always been
• 1:41:32
  regarded as a spiritual time of year, time where we should be
• 1:41:36
  reflecting and and refreshing ourselves, I'd encourage you to
• 1:41:41
  get into that mindset and do not underestimate the power of
• 1:41:46
  prayer. Because as I said early on, this
• 1:41:51
  is the Gov why the government wants to ban it.
• 1:41:54
  Because the evil that that is driving the political agenda is
• 1:42:00
  very scared of prayer. So if over Christmas you get the
• 1:42:04
  time to be somewhere quiet, that's where all you need to be
• 1:42:08
  somewhere quiet and to reflect. And the lady said to me many
• 1:42:13
  years ago, but how do you actually pray?
• 1:42:17
  And I said, well, the thing to remember is that you're sat
• 1:42:20
  quietly talking to a loving Father.
• 1:42:25
  And that is the way that you can put your personal fears and
• 1:42:29
  worries across, but also you can ask for guidance.
• 1:42:34
  And of course, you are also able to ask not for people to be
• 1:42:39
  hurt, but you can ask for people to be removed from power.
• 1:42:44
  And you can't ask for spiritual fortresses, the bad stuff to be
• 1:42:51
  brought down. So you can pray for yourself and
• 1:42:54
  your family. You can pray for the bad guys to
• 1:42:57
  be removed, but you can also pray.
• 1:43:01
  For. The troubling things to also be
• 1:43:05
  collapsed and lead to lead us into something which is how
• 1:43:10
  people should be a loving world. And I get a lot of pleasure out
• 1:43:16
  of thinking that I'm here saying this to everybody in the room,
• 1:43:21
  but really feeling that for some reason, for me, 2025 was the
• 1:43:27
  time that I needed to change my language into the.
• 1:43:31
  Spiritual realm. So there we are.
• 1:43:35
  Well. Thank you very much indeed.
• 1:43:37
  It's been wonderful. Thank you.
• 1:43:39
  Thank you.