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Stop the Migration vs Win the War- A Transatlantic Clash Conservative Tought leader Will Chamberlain · Gunther Fehlinger Podcast

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This is the good to failing a podcast.
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I'm very happy to be here again, successfully growing at the
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exciting year of 2026 where a lot of things are happening
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worldwide and we are in the middle of the debate with
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Greenland, with Iran, with ICE, and with transatlantic
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relations. And I've been very lucky in this
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podcast to find many prominent Americans to share their
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insights. And to this is a little bit my
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mission. I want that Americans and
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Europeans understand it's each other better.
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And so we need to to have a dialogue transatlantic.
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And I have now a very prominent guest.
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And thanks a lot for coming, Mr. Chamberlain.
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I can say Bill, to you, I hope. Yes, Yeah.
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Well, that's fine. Thanks a lot and I'm very happy
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that you take time, you're one of the leading conservative
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activists to understand you are in this legal issues very much.
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And I would like you to introduce yourself a little bit
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to our audience also the various institutions you are involved in
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and what's your approach and we will discuss then transatlantic
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relations. Thanks a lot.
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Sure. My, my name is Will Chamberlain.
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I'm an American lawyer. My primary job is I'm senior
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counsel at the Article 3 project.
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Article 3 is the portion of the American Constitution dealing
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with the judiciary, so and, and the legal system.
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So we focus our advocacy on legal issues, getting American
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judges confirmed that are aligned with conservative
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values, also trying to, you know, ensure that the, you know,
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the attorneys and prosecutors do things and are also aligned with
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conservative values. We have a very pro Trump
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alignment. You know, Mike Davis, my boss,
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is very close to the Trump administration.
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I'm very close to the number of figures in the Trump
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administration. So, you know, that's, that's
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where we're focused. But that's only part of what I
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do. I'm also involved in the Edmund
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Burke Foundation, which is a more kind of globally focused
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organization that is about promoting national conservatism
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around the world. We do conferences around the
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world. We just have in the United
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States, but we're probably going to have one in either Europe or
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Israel later this year. And, you know, that involves a
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lot that, you know, that kind of involves what we see is, I mean,
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I guess what my view on foreign policy, which is to kind of
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promote not just nationalism in the United States, but healthy
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nationalisms around the world. We would, you know, we want to
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see Europe in particular, especially individual European
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countries do a lot better in the face of things like mass
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migration. I think what, you know, that's a
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very common view. We want to see European
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countries return to their heritage and and stay strong and
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and stable allies for the United States, which we certainly don't
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think they will be in a world where they're overwhelmed by
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mass migration. We'll explain us what we should
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do. What's your view on Europe?
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Oh, my view on Europe, I want you to reverse mass Muslim
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migration, I think. And if to the extent you can't
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reverse it, I want it stopped, right.
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I think that basically the attitude of the European country
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should be we don't need any further Muslim migration into
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our countries. We, you know, to the extent we
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have it, any illegal immigrants need to go home and then, you
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know, we're certainly, you know, I don't know.
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I mean, in the America it's different because obviously in
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America we have the 1st Amendment, so there's much
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stronger limitations on what we can do vis A vis religion vis A
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vis public speech. But European countries don't
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have that limitation. So I think they should use it to
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be more aggressive in terms of say, for example, banning the
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call to prayer in European countries.
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Like I don't think there's any reason that in, you know, in
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England or in France or Germany, there should be minarets broadly
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broadcasting the call to prayer. I think that's, you know,
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antithetical to the way your society should function.
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And I think, you know, it might seem like that's a small kind of
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parochial issue for your countries, but it's actually a
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big, larger national security issue from the perspective of
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the United States. If the United Kingdom becomes a
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Muslim majority country, well then it's a Muslim majority
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country that's also been a historic ally and it also has
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nuclear weapons. And we've also seen how that the
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the presence of large Muslim minorities in your countries
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shapes your own foreign policy and how you deal with various
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issues that are end up being kind of antagonistic to the
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United States's interest. I'm thinking specifically of the
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recognition of the fictitious state of Palestine by the United
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Kingdom and France and other countries.
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I think that's a product of your own domestic political
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environments caused by Muslim mass migration, although
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obviously there's there's more hostility toward to Israel among
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your native populations than there is in the United States.
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But Even so, I think I don't think I thought that was pretty
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ridiculous. I thought, you know, it didn't
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really accomplish anything and it was kind of a slap in the
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face to American interests because we didn't want to see
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Palestine recognized. Israel's an important ally of
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ours. And so, you know, we think that
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in general, I think we, you know, we want, we want Europe
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to, we want individual European countries to be stronger.
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We don't think also you're particularly reliable.
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You're not going to be reliable military allies, certainly if
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you're overtaken by mass Muslim migration.
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Given that, you know, you can think about the fact that there
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was that statistic that more British Muslims fought for ISIS
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than fought for Britain in the war against ISIS.
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That's that's really scary if you think about it from this is
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our ally and, and you know, that could be a bulk the dominant
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demographic in your country in 30 years.
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You know, so we, I think our our position is we want to see
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European countries become stronger.
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We'd like to see them become stronger economically and more
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more open to development. And but we're, we're not, we
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also want, we want them friendlier too.
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We we think that in a way that especially and we think
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immigration is a big part of why both of those are issues.
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I'm something like a pro a a leading pro American voice in
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Europe. I have also supported America
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during the liberation of Afghanistan and of Iraq.
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And I was heavily criticized for being with George Bush.
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And so I'm very pro American. But you know, when you say that
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you want us more, more, how can I say more?
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These whole issues with Palestine, we probably should
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deport our left wing because, you know, it's not maybe.
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We can all we can both support our left wings to Palestine and
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things would be much better. Because really it's not.
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We have not given power to any Muslims in in Europe.
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And we are actually, we have not left our defenses unguarded
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against Russia. And because of Muslim
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immigration, it's our own domestic choices.
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Sure, but I, I, I'm thinking this is about the trajectory,
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right? I'm not saying, you know,
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obviously, you know, the Muslims are still a pretty solid
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minority in, in, you know, even England, I think it's what 6% of
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the population, but it's growing.
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And it doesn't have to be 50% to have a really dramatic impact on
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your politics. Because the, you know, if you're
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20% of the population and you vote as a bloc, then it becomes
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extremely tempting for either side of, you know, the long
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standing fights between the right and left in your own
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countries to sort of take the Muslim issues and use that to
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hold the kind of durable majority, which we don't want.
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You know we don't because that if those issues are usually in
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conflict with our own interests. And to this mass migration of
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2015, we see it very much connected to the Syrian crisis
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and to the Syrian crisis. We see pretty much connected
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with Mr. Putin bombing the cities of Aleppo and everything
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he has messed up Syria. And very much we see it
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connected with Mr. Obama having some red lines in the sand of
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2013 in the Rose Garden. And then this Syrian Assad, he
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used some bombs and some nerf gas against the population.
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And Obama was withdrawing from the world and let everything
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done by Putin. And then we had a million
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Syrians in Germany and Austria and we really didn't like that
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result so. I'm sure, I'm sure you didn't.
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I think I think you'll I'm sure you didn't.
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And I, I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't begrudge you for not liking
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President Obama very much, given the way no.
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He's terrible what happened to him anyhow?
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He was always like this. He was always just kind of, we
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call this in America and maybe you call it the same in Europe.
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A third world is outlook where you sort of put the interests of
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of the third world above yourself and you sort of
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underlying everything think that American leadership and Western
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leadership, European leadership is somehow illegitimate and that
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these countries need to be, you know, left unmolested and
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allowed to, you know, you know, go work with adversaries of the
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United States and Europe because, you know, that's their
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free choice. No, I'm a little bit, I think, I
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think I sense you're a European chauvinist in the same way that
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I'm an American chauvinist and that we think that actually no
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way, you know, we want these countries cooperating.
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No, you know, chauvinist is not a very popular word in Europe.
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I'm in general for the West, for the victory of NATO.
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That's my core belief. I always believed that because
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Ronald Reagan liberated us and George Bush united us, and these
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are my heroes. And that's why I'm always very
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close to the Republicans because of these two leaders.
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And I'm was very shocked in 2014 when Putin attacked Crimea, the
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Americans were like missing in action and nobody helped us.
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You can of course say that we should be stronger.
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I also agree we should be much stronger.
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I have nuclear arms and a strong army.
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But in general, our defence was always relying on America and
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the big things. Not in the small things, but
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when it really came to fighting, it was always the Americans who
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bailed us out. And then suddenly you were
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disappearing. We sent you this.
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Yeah, we Iraq and Afghanistan. And when we needed you most in
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2014, nobody came to help us. I can hear that.
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I think Obama was certainly one of the thing I really didn't
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like about that policy was I think that it sounds like the
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Obama administration kind of got sort of initiated or fermented a
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coup in Ukraine or like a massive revolution against the
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the pro Russian government of what's his name, Yushchenko.
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No, is that is that right? Yeah.
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OK. So.
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I know Kovic. Yanukovych.
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That's right. OK, so Yushchenko was the good
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guy. Yanukovych was the bad guy.
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If I. Remember it was a pro European
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revolution in 2004 under Yushchenko and then Yanukovych
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was the Putin puppet installed in 2010 and he was outset by his
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people. There was no need from Obama
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there because Obama I really don't know if he even knows
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where Europe is. He was the most anti European
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president in the history of America.
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I, I think it's as simple as, you know, and I, this is where I
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think Obama's foreign policy was silly because there was, there
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was, I know there was plenty about Victoria Nuland and, and
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other Americans who were heavily involved in trying to shape what
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happened in Ukraine and, and inspiring that.
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But the, we were totally unprepared and not in a position
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to defend Crimea from a Russian incursion.
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And that should have been an obvious conclusion.
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You know, if you're going to like replace the pro Russian
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government and try and install a pro American government in Kiev,
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you have to expect that Russia is just not going to be very
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happy about that. Given that Ukraine is directly
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on its board borders and it has, you know, the historical that's
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where I mean the cooperation in terms like that's where they're
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warm water ports are That's you know, so I thought that the
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American policy there was silly. And so, yeah, I mean, we I mean,
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would I say that we should have come and got fought you you
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fought a war against Russia and Crimea in 2014, though.
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I don't I don't think we were in a position to do that.
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I don't think we, you know, that's, that's a really hard
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thing to be fighting Russia on in a land war right on its
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border. And I think there's a lot of
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historical examples of that not going very well for anybody
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who's tried it. Now, there is an interesting
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discussion we could have in 2026 about, you know, I think that
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the Venezuela successful capture of Maduro and boat and also what
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America did in Iran has revealed that perhaps we've been
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underestimating American military strength a little bit
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in the past two decades. Perhaps American military
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strength has taken some leaps that we weren't really aware of,
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and maybe that should make us a little bit more aggressive and
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assertive and in our interests. I mean, obviously as an
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American, I'm thinking, you know, if we can send Delta Force
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to any head of state in Latin America and kidnap them and
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bring them back to America for justice, then then I don't know
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why we would tolerate Cuba continuing to be a communist
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dictatorship 90 miles South of Florida.
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But in with vis A vis Russia. It's still tricky, obviously,
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like fighting fighting Russia, which is a great power with
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nuclear weapons in Russia's backyard is something I don't
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think America really wants to do and wants to avoid as much as
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possible. And so, you know, this is I
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think where we might have some disagreements where I know
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you're a very aggressively pro NATO enlargement want to, you
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know, really in front Russia. I I'm OK with bringing basically
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I want we want to be we don't want to be in a war with Russia
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and Ukraine if we if we absolutely all can be avoided.
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And that's that's our primary interest.
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We want, you know, if you look at what Trump's has been saying
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from the beginning of his presidency, it's like the
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American policy is not to is not who Ukraine or Russia wins is at
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the war end on reasonable terms. Now, we're not going to let
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Russia swallow Ukraine up entirely.
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We're not going to let it absurd peace because I think we've been
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trying to negotiate with Russia. Russia has done things like
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demated more territory than they currently hold is my
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understanding. And we were like, no, you
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obviously not. But we we do want that war to
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end. And we may well force Ukraine to
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make some concessions that Ukraine doesn't want to make to
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get the American interest of the the the war in Russia ending
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because we just we don't see it as good for us to have a
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continued war in Russia. We don't see it as we, we see it
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as sort of a continued source of instability, A continued
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possible risk of escalation into World War Three.
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And we want if we, if we want a settlement that lasts, right?
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And, and so a settlement that like the Russians won't again
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infringe in 10 years, the settlement that the light, but
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that the Russians will still accept.
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That's that's sort of the idea. Yes, but you know, we in Europe,
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we are the frontline for us this is really the essential
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conflict, the essential war. And we have not the military
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capacity to push back on Russia. I don't say a war, but at least
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threatening Russia somehow meaningfully.
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And then they have made the 10 years war basically.
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And now we have 5 million more Ukrainians in the European
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Union. We also have 2 million Syrians
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more in the European Union. So alone by our military
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weakness on the broader countries, we have 7 million
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more people in the European Union, which were not on their
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agenda 10 years ago, and it was a bit of surprise as a result.
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So military strength can create the conditions that people also
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return to countries. And unfortunately, I don't see
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that in Venezuela now, the millions of Venezuelans
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returning to Venezuela. And I'm also worried about Iran
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because Trump is now a little bit, you know, talking tough but
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not acting. And when we have a big crackdown
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on the Iranian opposition, I'm sure millions of people will
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leave Iran because now they are really in big danger after they
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have demonstrated and used arms against their government.
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And so this Iranians will go, I think, to European Union, and
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then you later call us and say, Gunther, you have too many
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Muslims here. Well, we do good regime change.
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I think Trump is going to do something in Iran.
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I think that's coming. If I had to pick a prediction, I
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think based on the way that Trump is talking, based on
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recent history where, you know, there were a lot of people who
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thought Trump wouldn't do the operation in a hammer where he
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sent the B twos to take out the Iranian nuclear program.
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He did that. There were a lot of people who
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thought he would be hesitant about doing anything in
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Venezuela. And remember in his first term,
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he he recognized Juan Guaido as the president of Venezuela
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against Maduro, but then really didn't do much in terms other
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than playing these diplomatic recognition games.
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And so maybe Venezuelans thought, oh, what's the going to
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be the same time, this same time in the second Trump
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administration? No, actually, actually we're
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going to send Delta Force and to capture your president.
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So I think, I think Trump is feeling very emboldened by the
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comment, the success in Iran with Midnight Hammer and the
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success in Venezuela with the capture of Maduro.
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I think he doesn't. He doesn't like the way that
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Iran has conducted itself after the ceasefire.
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I know that President Trump doesn't like the fact that
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Iran's trying to rearm with its ballistic missile capacity.
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I know that, you know, and, and that also connects also to Gaza
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where he's not happy with the fact that Hamas is not really
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abiding by the terms of the ceasefire there and, and that
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Hamas is refusing to disarm. So if I were if knowing Trump
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and, and understanding kind of his mentality, I think he feels
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disrespected by the Iranian government.
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I think he thinks the Iranian government is weak.
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I also, there's another point that people forget about.
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There's, there's very good evidence that Iran was involved
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in trying to assassinate President Trump while he was
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still a presidential candidate. There was an indictment in New
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York City against Iranian operatives basically in alleging
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that those operatives were involved with trying to
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assassinate President Trump. So I don't think President Trump
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has any love for the Iranians at all.
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So if I had to bet, I think President Trump will intervene
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in Iran if he thinks, if he thinks he can successfully help
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the revolution succeed. Look, we can make a deal.
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If he helps us to liberate Iran, we can give him Greenland.
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There we go. See, this is a number.
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This is actually a point I wanted to talk to you about
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because I think the Greenland question is really interesting
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and and obviously you had a very provocative statement about
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seizing American military bases. If we see.
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Screen I am an Austrian small podcaster.
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I have no assets to we're. Not even in NATO, right?
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Austria is not even in NATO. That's not your call.
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This is my whole campaign. For Austria to.
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Be like, you guys should go take take Rammstein.
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You're not even in NATO. But look, so I, I, I read, I've
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been reading up on Greenland. I think that the Greenland
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question is really interesting. I think I, here's what I think.
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I think Denmark should sell Greenland to the United States.
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I think that is the, the logical solution here.
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Absolutely. Will I didn't get it.
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You should sell. You should sell Greenland to the
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United. States.
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Selling. How much?
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A lot charge fair market price like.
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Document already 33 trillions of public debt.
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No, but we, I mean, the public debt, we're the Americans, it's
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the public debt is different for America that it is for the rest
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of the world because it's backed by the American military.
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That's why it's different. You know, so public debt for
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America is not like public debt for anybody else.
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So we can afford it. And, and so I think, I think the
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solution here and, and there can be carve outs.
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For example, if the Greenland people vote in a referendum to
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say we don't want to be part of America, it's like, OK, well,
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maybe we carve out the sort of residential portions of
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Greenland and they can stay under Danish governments.
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And then we purchased like the the ice cap and the minerals or
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something. But the, the basic concept here
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is there's there's, there's the Americans.
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Obviously, if Russia's still a great power, Greenland is like
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the bridge between America and Russia.
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If you actually look at a globe. So we have obviously very
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serious national security interests there.
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You know, China going crazy and trying to secure rare earth
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minerals. Greenland has a lot of rare
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earth minerals. All the development in Greenland
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is going to be extraordinarily expensive because it's such an
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inhospitable climate, so it's super cold and so we want to do
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the rare earth mining. It'll take enormous amounts of
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investment. And you can forgive us for
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wanting to be in control of the country if if we make
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investments like that. Because look, for example, you
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know, what's happening with the United Kingdom and what they did
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with the Chagos Islands in South, in the, you know, the
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South Indian Sea, where China got this BS International Court
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of Justice ruling that says that the Chagos Islands South of
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India actually belong to Mauritius, 2000 miles away.
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And therefore the United Kingdom needs to sell them to Mauritius,
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who's not our friend. And that's an extremely
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important military base for the, from the United States's
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perspective, like, and it really has no other use.
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It's a small atoll in the, in the middle of absolutely
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nowhere. But it's a very, very useful
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for, as a staging point for American military aircraft.
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So the fact that the UK is suddenly handing off Chagos when
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to other people, we, it, it means that if we don't own like
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Greenland, or at least we don't own our bases, you know, or our
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own, especially our economic projects, given how expensive
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they're going to be. And maybe a future
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administration, a Danish administration will be socialist
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and decide to nationalize them and create all sorts of other
20:27
problems. So I think, and Denmark's not in
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a position, I don't think financially, economically to
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fully exploit Greenland. It's just not big enough.
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It's not a, you know, doesn't have the economic power of the
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United States. So I think that, you know, take
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sell it right like this. This is true in businesses all
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the time. Sometimes, like you, you have
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the rights to an opportunity that you're not in a position to
20:49
fully exploit, you're not in a position to do something with.
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So you sell those rights to a bigger, bigger operation.
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They pay you a lot of money because those rights are worth a
20:59
lot and everybody's better off. And I think that that's that's
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sort of how I view Greenland. I don't think we should invade.
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I think that Trump makes noises about this stuff as part of his
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art of the deal. That's a good way to think about
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it. So when I don't think Trump's
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going to militarily take Greenland, I think that that's
21:13
just bluster from him. You know, the, you know, we're
21:17
not going to blow up the NATO alliance over this, but I think
21:20
he's, he makes those noises to try to try and sort of get
21:23
everybody to the table and then actually make a deal.
21:25
So I think, I think that, but I, I think that that Europeans
21:28
should look at America purchasing Greenland as probably
21:31
a good thing overall for transatlantic security.
21:33
It's good for NATO. I think that the Europeans
21:36
willingness to go along with this will make Americans more
21:38
happier about NATO. But right now I think that
21:41
especially on the American right, we see NATO as a lot of
21:43
obligation. And, you know, maybe in the past
21:47
you, you, you helped us with Afghanistan and Iraq.
21:49
But you have to remember that the current American right
21:51
doesn't think very highly of those wars and doesn't think
21:53
very highly of George W Bush. So we don't, you know, we should
21:56
be more grateful, but maybe we're not.
21:58
What? He's my greatest hero.
22:00
Yeah, well, that's that's, that's too bad, because he's no
22:03
longer the American right's greatest hero.
22:04
We, we sort of, we look at those, those wars, right?
22:09
Well, but from our perspective, he got us into wars that like
22:12
spent trillions of our taxpayer money, got nowhere, didn't
22:15
really didn't really accomplish much geopolitically like the
22:18
Iraq and Afghanistan wars to the point that we're fleeing
22:20
Afghanistan, leaving all our military equipment there and
22:23
hand it, giving it back to the organization we'd beat in a war
22:26
20 years ago. And then also just from our
22:29
perspective, it was the beginning of, you know, mass,
22:33
the beginning of a lot of this sort of Muslim immigration in
22:36
the United States now, which is much relatively smaller.
22:39
I think Muslims only make up something like 1/2 or 1% of
22:43
American population. But we're, you know, in American
22:45
domestic politics, we're already dealing with the consequences of
22:47
that. For example, in in Minnesota
22:49
where you have this massive Somali fraud ring that's been
22:52
discovered. And so in general, we're not,
22:57
we're not big fans of George George B Bush here.
22:59
And so we don't look at those wars as we're not fond of those
23:02
wars. And so maybe we should be more
23:04
grateful for the European sacrifice on them.
23:06
But I think right now the Americans feel like we're we're
23:10
we are on the hook for a lot of NATO.
23:11
And then there's another big tension.
23:13
I want to talk with you about it because I think that would be
23:14
interesting since you're, you're also very broke NATO, pro EU.
23:18
We feel like the that when the Europeans put on their NATO hat,
23:23
they're like, America, we love you so much.
23:25
Please come help us. We need you.
23:27
You're so wonderful. You take off the native hat and
23:30
you put on the EU hat and you're like, we're going to find your
23:33
tech companies billions of dollars.
23:34
That's what we're going to do. We're going to find your tech
23:36
companies billions of dollars. We're going to take in more from
23:38
those funds than we do from taxing our own tech companies.
23:42
And I don't know it, it feels kind of there's like a tension
23:47
there where the, it's NATO is this grand partnership, but the
23:49
EU is this organization that negotiates aggressively
23:52
adversarially against the United States's economic interests.
23:56
And that tension is hard to reconcile where on the one hand,
24:00
you know, rah, rah NATO, we're here to protect, especially
24:03
what's ultimately you in your, in your European conflicts,
24:06
right? The Russia's, Russia's not on
24:07
our border. It's on your border.
24:09
And then on the other hand, the EU is negotiating against us
24:11
really hard on things like the the Online Safety Act and and
24:15
other things. So I think I don't know how you
24:16
resolve that tension or what you think you should be doing
24:18
differently, but I just want to throw that out there for you.
24:20
I campaign that the US joining NATO as a full member and we
24:25
develop in an equal federation like the United States of
24:28
America and we take more responsibility in that sense.
24:31
And this kind of double identity of you and NATO should emerge
24:35
into one system and we should take more responsibility for our
24:39
own defence in the against Russia because ultimately NATO
24:43
is about European defence. We are the ones in danger of
24:47
Russia. We have the border with Russia,
24:49
we have wars since ever with Russia and you are helping us,
24:53
you defend, so we shouldn't annoy you.
24:55
But I try to remind our American friends that your tech companies
25:00
make billions and billions of profits in Europe and you have
25:03
trillions of investments in Europe and every second company
25:07
in Europe is owned by American stock investor.
25:10
And so it's not exactly that we are anti American in our
25:15
business practices when we find Mr. Elon Musk to somehow pay
25:21
some of the fines for Google to stay competitive.
25:24
I think there's a good market and rule of law measures where
25:28
the American tax companies have to apply the rules of the.
25:32
So let's let's focus on that the Elon Musk in the recent, it was
25:35
like $140 million fine or something like that from, from
25:39
the European. I, I, I want to focus on one
25:41
thing specifically. And I think this this sort of
25:43
captures another sort of where, where does, where should the
25:48
European Union's jurisdiction end, right?
25:51
So the European Union says that the the system of verification
25:56
on that X uses on that ELMX uses for ask where anybody can buy a
26:01
blue check for 8 bucks a month. That that's deceptive, right?
26:06
That's a, that was a big part of their ruling that sort of
26:08
justified this fine. So, and therefore they, they
26:11
have to stop using that system. OK, so there, there's 2 problems
26:16
with that. So first, I don't, we don't
26:18
agree that it's deceptive at all, right?
26:20
And because it's transparent, there's, there's no lying about
26:24
what he's doing, right? Like they, they, they structured
26:27
the system totally transparently.
26:28
If you paid 8 bucks a month, you get a blue check.
26:30
The blue check doesn't make any statement other than this is
26:32
somebody paying $8 a month. It doesn't signify anything more
26:35
than that. So we're not, we're not making
26:38
any misrepresentations. And then second, the effect of
26:42
that if if basically says that it's one thing if you say you
26:49
need to take down these posts in Germany or in the European
26:52
Union, like we think these posts violate our laws.
26:55
So they need to not be shown to our customers.
26:57
OK, it's your, it's your country.
26:59
And I know that X has a number of different provisions for that
27:01
in like Germany and Pakistan where they censor individual
27:05
posts within that country's, you know, if if the user is in that
27:09
country. I'm, for example, censored in
27:11
India. The people in India cannot see
27:13
my post because I was attacking Mr. Modi.
27:16
Right, right. And it's like, I, I, I say, OK,
27:19
you know, you have the right to censor, You know what shows up
27:22
in your country, You know, But when you say Elon Musk needs to
27:26
change his verification system, period, because otherwise the
27:29
system doesn't really work. Basically, it's all or nothing.
27:31
There's not really a way to have two completely different
27:34
verification systems. Maybe there is, but it'd be
27:36
very, very complicated. Then you're basically saying the
27:40
way that he wants to conduct his business around the world,
27:43
including in America where we have a First Amendment, is the
27:46
way he needs to conduct his business.
27:48
It, it needs to follow European standards.
27:50
And I think that's a sort of, that's where I think Europe is
27:54
trying too hard. The EU specifically, not Europe,
27:57
it's all but the EU and the EU Commission are trying to really
27:59
reach reach the, yeah, the EU. So I think that's, that's going
28:06
to cause a problem. And I know that there's an
28:07
American response coming. I, I suspect we're about to pass
28:10
something called the Granite Act granted after the rock granite
28:15
that will say, you know, to the extent that any European entity
28:19
makes threats of these kinds of a fine against the United
28:22
States, that basically doing so is a violation of American law
28:27
issuing those threats. And that American companies who
28:29
have been threatened can sue you in American court for triple the
28:33
amount of the, of the threatened fine.
28:36
So we're basically saying we're not going to put up with these
28:38
fines anymore. Like we're, we're, we're done
28:39
with that. If you want to find them, it,
28:41
it. And that the caveat being that
28:44
it has to violate the make the, it has to violate the American
28:47
First Amendment. So the laws that say we want you
28:52
to censor speech in Germany and not anywhere else, those are
28:56
fine. But if you want to force
28:58
Americans to change their way, to change the way they speak to
29:01
American audiences, for example, there was that instance where
29:03
Thierry Breton, I think he was on the European Commission.
29:07
And the last Commission, yeah. Yeah.
29:09
And the last Commission and he made that threat when Elon Musk
29:13
was going to do a Twitter Space with Donald Trump, when Donald
29:16
Trump was still a candidate and Breton threatened him that he
29:19
was doing so was a violation of Europeans, of the European
29:24
Online Safety Act. Oh, that was extremely offensive
29:27
to Americans because that's an American entrepreneur using an
29:31
American tech tech platform to talk to an American presidential
29:34
candidate about American politics.
29:36
And a European is coming in and saying that violates our, you
29:39
have to, you can't do that. That violates our Online Safety
29:41
Act. There's going to be, there's a
29:43
huge American, especially from the American right, which, you
29:46
know, maybe the the Democrats in America were fine with that
29:48
because they hate Donald Trump so much.
29:50
But the American conservatives were not OK with that at all.
29:53
We were furious about it. How do you think European
29:56
conservatives feel when Elon Musk is promoting on his 220
30:01
million platform, which he has 220 million followers?
30:05
He's promoting every single day our enemies from the basically
30:10
our competitors of the right. Yeah, because we, the
30:13
conservatives, we run the European continent since
30:16
decades. Actually, it's like this.
30:19
The European People's Party, which I belong as a member, is
30:23
basically dominating the politics of Europe since
30:26
decades. Yeah.
30:27
Like the GOP, we are your partner in the global party
30:31
families. Yeah.
30:32
And then there is to the right of it, there's people like
30:35
Robinson or Vital. They are emerging now.
30:38
And then Elon Musk is doing this kind of promotion of this kind
30:43
of in our feeling, it's very low level people who work with
30:47
Putin. This is traitors for us.
30:49
We hate them. And Elon Musk comes in from
30:53
America, which, you know, we have a little bit of pride as
30:56
well and a little bit of Patrick.
30:58
And then Elon Musk, who is a South African migrant who made
31:02
it billions, who we have to pay all this fun money.
31:05
He comes with his 200, 20 million, and he tells us what to
31:09
vote. And he votes.
31:10
He promotes himself with the lowest level of the scam of
31:13
Earth. And he tells us because he can
31:17
reach the heads of our population directly via his own
31:20
platform, which he owns. He's not just a entrepreneur, A
31:24
businessman, but he owns this X thing.
31:26
And what do our politicians think of that?
31:29
What do you guess? And when they make decisions
31:31
about this, they think. Yeah, well, I mean, I saw that
31:33
that Starmer wants to ban X I'm not.
31:36
I wouldn't be given the way. Given that framing, I wouldn't
31:38
be surprised if a few of your European countries decide to ban
31:40
X. That's pretty funny.
31:41
We we like X and it's wonderful. I also MX activist and it's a
31:46
wonderful platform. It's a great tool of global
31:48
exchange of opinions and of free speech.
31:51
We are, by the way, free speech countries.
31:53
Yeah, I can do whatever I want in Austria and the limitations
31:57
are very minimal as long as I don't engage in neo Nazi things.
32:01
But you know then. And I, and I get that.
32:03
I actually will say that like I, I think it was, you know, I'm an
32:06
American. So I, I have a revolt.
32:09
You know, it's sort of an intuitive discuss for speech
32:12
restriction because we have the 1st amendment where we sort of
32:15
grow up with that. The idea that, you know, if it's
32:17
not direct incitement to incitement to violence and that
32:20
means also our incitement to violence standard is narrower
32:23
than the European version. In America, for something to be
32:26
unlawful incitement and needs to be imminent.
32:29
Like not just I think somebody should hurt that person, but
32:33
rather you need to be in basically in their presence go
32:36
you hurt that person right now. That's that's what American
32:39
incitement means. So anyway, just a random detour,
32:43
but I get it in Austria, and I get it because you have this
32:47
horrible, obviously this horrible experience that you
32:49
just don't ever want to repeat and had lost a World War over it
32:53
so that you're just like, you're not allowed to say that stuff.
32:55
And. It's also a reputational problem
32:58
for us. We are, we want to be part of
33:00
the global community of decent people, of the free world.
33:03
And when then some crazy people put online some Nazi stuff, it's
33:08
a real reputational problem and we don't want to be associated.
33:12
That's why we do that. It's a little bit in some case
33:15
maybe exaggerated. Yeah.
33:16
You know, when somebody does, for example, the favorite dish
33:20
of Adolf Hitler, he puts it online on the 20 of April, he
33:24
gets fined. Yeah, you can question this, you
33:28
know, and these are very random people on the street.
33:31
Yeah, it's not political activist.
33:33
And they get fined several €1000 or maybe even go temporary to
33:37
jail for such things. You can also discuss this, you
33:40
know, in the European centre right thing.
33:42
We also have a debate about what's the limit of free speech.
33:46
Have we gone too far? But in principle, we are, we are
33:51
a normal country, not so different to the United States.
33:54
And we always get bashed by the American right.
33:57
And we think exactly, you know, the description.
34:01
Elon Musk's Twitter account of European cities is a little bit
34:05
of a passive flash of the truth. I know every European city.
34:09
I'm really travel to any of the cities.
34:11
And of course it's a little bit more diverse.
34:14
But when I go to New York or to Washington, I see much more
34:17
color in the streets. Well, I mean, that's, that's
34:21
true, but it's also, I mean, I think there's a difference,
34:24
right, in the sense that America has, you know, from, from its
34:27
founding, had a significant black population, whereas, and
34:30
that's just a function of our, our own history.
34:32
I think, you know, I went to and I, I mean, I've been to European
34:36
cities too. Like I've been to Paris, I've
34:37
been to Vienna, I've been to multiple times.
34:40
Yeah, it's a, they're beautiful cities.
34:43
Like, although Paris is getting a lot worse, like getting off at
34:46
the Gerda Nord is not a great experience anymore.
34:48
And it used to be a lot better. So I've seen, although I, I,
34:52
I'll admit things haven't been getting better in the United
34:54
States either on, on that front in terms of.
34:56
If you tell me something negative about the French, I can
34:59
completely agree with you. And if you don't like Mr.
35:03
Macron, I think he's complete nonsensical.
35:06
He makes no sense. Same thing makes no sense.
35:09
Yeah, we're, we're kind of, we're, we're kind of tired of
35:12
French posturing like the, the, the sort of, you know, the, the,
35:16
the French on the one hand saying like, yeah, we're, we're,
35:21
we're tired of the French posturing on various issues.
35:23
But we gave him a big defeat, Mr. Macron, just last Friday we
35:27
got pushed through this Mercosur EU free trade agreement and Mr.
35:32
Macron was fighting it all the time.
35:33
Since 5 years he's fighting it or since he's in power.
35:36
And we finally passed it. Next week it will be signed.
35:39
And it's the biggest achievement on the terms of opening the
35:42
European economy to Brazil and Argentina.
35:46
It will stabilize the world economy.
35:48
And it was a big for Mr. Macron. I was very happy it was.
35:52
That's good. Big success.
35:55
Yeah. What are what are the, I mean,
35:56
other than luxury goods, what are the French even manufacture?
35:59
What are they even? I don't know, I guess.
36:00
I guess we don't see their exports because they their their
36:03
exports aren't competitive. They are producing a lot of
36:06
weapons and they are producing a lot of good weapons.
36:09
Unfortunately, they don't want to donate it to Ukraine.
36:13
They want to all sell it to Ukraine, which is fine you
36:16
Americans to do that as well. But nevertheless that's the main
36:20
product is machinery and weapons and airplanes and that's they do
36:24
very well. They have also submarines, which
36:27
you don't like so much because your own.
36:30
Right. But nobody gets to compete with
36:33
America. We're awesome, our submarines.
36:35
Are great the French are a problem and we will face that in
36:38
2027 again let's see for that but you know what we have on the
36:42
free trade agreement. I want to understand one thing
36:45
because there was a lot of issues about it.
36:47
About 10 years ago, we could have concluded a free trade
36:50
agreement with the United States of America.
36:53
And you can say Greenland is one of the abnormalities of our
36:57
relation. But one of the biggest
36:59
abnormalities of our relation, American, European is, and it
37:03
leads to a lot of problems that you have basically liberated us,
37:07
you have protected us, you have rebuilt it, you have financed
37:10
our rebuilding. But never, ever there was enough
37:14
interest in the Americans to conclude the free trade
37:17
agreement with the European Union, which we have with about
37:21
70 countries in the world. We have now with Brazil as well.
37:24
We will conclude one with India. We have it with everybody
37:27
basically who is friendly and you are such an important
37:31
trading partner with trillions of foreign investments into the
37:34
European Union. Don't you see any kind of
37:37
rationality now to conclude some free trade agreement and settle
37:41
our economic issues, maybe on your terms, maybe on common
37:45
terms, but fix all this kind of minor things which we have
37:48
between US and defeat? Our I do, I see it, I
37:52
personally, I absolutely see the value of a free trade agreement.
37:54
Like I'm, I'm kind of in, in the Trump world.
37:57
I'm, I'm probably one of the more people who's more skeptical
37:59
of Trump's policies on trade and tariffs and things like that.
38:01
I'm generally my, my attitude is 1 of broadly speaking, free
38:06
trade is good. I think it's just that it, it
38:09
really is a function of this is just about the story of the
38:12
American right and, and kind of how it's changed.
38:14
This is a big sort of change from the Bush years to the Trump
38:17
years. And there there is real truth to
38:21
the way that the, you know, the Bill Clinton, George Bush
38:24
Republicans did not do a good job of looking out for the
38:29
losers of free trade in the Midwest and in the in the Rust
38:32
Belt in the United States. And those cities got have had a
38:36
really real, a lot of them had a really, really tough time.
38:39
A lot of those communities went kind of through just completely,
38:43
you know, having these strong manufacturing bases.
38:45
And then just it evaporated in in the aftermath of NAFTA, the
38:49
North American Free Trade Agreement, and also the massive
38:53
outshore offshoring to China, so.
38:56
I think. Yeah, I think China was the
38:59
biggest factor. And the and the consequences of
39:01
that were that when Trump showed up in 2016 talking about as a
39:06
Republican, which had historically been the free trade
39:09
party. And he was, but he was a
39:10
Republican talking about tariffs and protectionism.
39:13
He just won a huge number of votes based on that.
39:15
There was, I mean, the, the natural base of the Republican
39:17
Party was actually not a free trade.
39:21
It it's working class. It actually is kind of working
39:23
class, middle class Americans who aren't really free trade
39:26
people. So I think that that there's
39:29
some it, it's just got I, I treat that as I mean, we can,
39:33
you know, I think Trump does see that, you know, some value in
39:36
trade. But I mean, on the other hand,
39:38
he, he he's a big believer in tariffs and he's been a big
39:40
believer in tariffs for decades. That's one of the things that,
39:43
you know, you, you can, there aren't a lot of through lines in
39:45
President Trump's policy views for 30 or 40 years, but you can
39:48
go back to seeing him talking interviews in the 1980s and
39:51
you'll see him talking about tariffs and, and being more
39:55
nationalistic on trade. So that's just the president
39:58
we've got. And it's likely a, a, you know,
40:00
there's still forces in the Republican Party in Congress
40:02
that push back the other direction.
40:04
But I, I don't know. I think that as long you know.
40:09
President Trump is extremely popular among Republicans and he
40:11
captured a a sentiment that was very common among the core voter
40:14
base of the Republican Party that the old school Republicans
40:18
didn't even realize was there. This kind of protectionism and
40:22
and job protection for for middle class people, people
40:25
working in manufacturing jobs. So we just, you know, everybody,
40:29
we just got all deal with that, right?
40:30
Like, even if I might think that it would be better if we were
40:33
more liberal on free trade issues, that's not, that's not
40:36
the president we have. And when I agree with President
40:38
Trump 90% on everything else, and then I disagree with him on
40:41
some trade policy, then it's like, OK, well, I'll, I'll, I'll
40:45
live with not getting everything I want.
40:47
Absolutely, absolutely. We have anyhow this turned back
40:50
agreement where we concluded the 15% tariffs.
40:53
It's not so bad. We can live with that.
40:55
For us really matters the military cooperation with
40:58
America, because we have this war to win.
41:01
We must win this war and we will win this war.
41:04
Is it not possible for Trump to help us a little bit more on
41:07
winning the war in Ukraine and also give us more weapons?
41:11
We buy it, no problem. We have the money.
41:13
We just issued €90 billion of euro bonds again in December and
41:18
we are ready to buy whatever it takes from the American defence
41:21
industry. If you just release the
41:23
limitations, you allow us to buy the Tomahawks, we buy old your
41:27
old Tomahawks and all the stuff you have and we will send it all
41:31
to Ukraine. It's a good business for you.
41:34
Yeah, I I could see, I could see President Trump changing his
41:37
mind on that stuff. You know, I'm not, I need to get
41:40
more deeply familiar with like, what are the consequences of
41:42
that? But we destroyed the the Russian
41:46
economic system with the You sure about it?
41:50
This is what Ukraine is already doing.
41:52
And it's. Well, I mean, I think, I think
41:53
we need, you know, what's really interesting is that Putin's
41:56
doing this thing, it feels like where he's just dragging his
41:57
feet, you know, And I think that from the American perspective,
42:01
here's here's another thing from the American rights perspective
42:03
on this. We didn't like the fact that
42:05
this war got started. We suspect that Biden's
42:08
negotiation by, I mean, Biden was senile, right?
42:10
So we're, we sort of look at what Biden was doing and we're
42:13
like, well, he was just kind of sleepwalking into this.
42:16
He wasn't trying to, who knows what he's trying to do, but he
42:20
was senile. And so we thought coming in,
42:23
it's like, OK, well, President Trump is going to come in and be
42:25
like a good faith. He's going to make a good faith
42:27
negotiation with Russia to try and bring a war the the war to
42:30
an end. Like he's not going to be a make
42:32
maximalist demands on Russia. He's going to expect Ukraine to
42:35
make concessions, etcetera. He'll try and make a good faith
42:37
ever to get peace. And Putin's dragging his feet a
42:40
lot. I mean, I think Trump's getting
42:41
kind of impatient with that. So you're sort of seeing more
42:43
and more like kind of Trump being willing to on the one hand
42:47
be like, let's negotiate with Tafis, and on the other hand
42:49
being like, and I'm going to sell a little more weapons and
42:51
I'm going to sell a little more weapons, so.
42:53
You're very welcome. I like that Trump much better if
42:56
he liberates the Iranians and helps us in Ukraine.
42:59
You can have Greenland. Pass that message along.
43:05
And I think that that actually like if you actually made the
43:07
sort of this might be if I were, if I were actually advising the
43:11
Europeans on what is a smart way to achieve your goals.
43:13
It's sort of like figure out a way to connect the Greenland
43:16
issue to the Ukraine issue, right?
43:18
Like give us a little here, we'll give you scratch our back.
43:20
We'll scratch your back. And you help us to get Crimea
43:24
liberated. Yeah.
43:25
And you can have the whole of Greenland, including the 60,000
43:29
people, Eskimos. You can have them.
43:31
Really. We don't care so much.
43:32
But we care very much for Ukraine because this is the life
43:36
and death issue for us and they're our most important
43:39
issue. Will let me talk about
43:42
immigration. We started with immigration.
43:44
Now this is a big issue with Minnesota, with this young
43:48
American woman killed ICE in the street.
43:51
And it's, you know, we Europeans, we see each other a
43:53
little bit related to our European immigrant friends and
43:57
families from Albania, from Romania, Everybody is in
44:01
America, from Eastern Europe, so many Polish.
44:04
And then there's ice in the street.
44:06
And we don't like it so much. We think that's a bit
44:09
impressive. And we see, we think that sounds
44:14
and it makes a very bad impression for America at the
44:16
moment. Yeah.
44:17
OK. Can you I I hear.
44:19
That why we why this is necessary.
44:22
Why you think that it's so important to chase some poor
44:25
migrants out of the streets? We don't see them so dangerous.
44:29
We have so many as well and we ask them to work.
44:32
And what is exactly the issue here and why it's so extreme?
44:36
All right, so First off, you have to understand what Biden
44:40
did during his four years in office.
44:41
He basically threw up in the borders entirely.
44:43
We had hundreds of thousands, I think millions of immigrants
44:46
crossed the southern border unchecked, unvetted every, and
44:50
they're everywhere and almost no deportation.
44:53
The Republican Party also feels that there is a essentially this
44:56
is part of the Democratic strategy to maintain power in
44:58
the United States. They've lost a lot of their
45:01
currency with the white working class in the United States.
45:04
So we feel that it is part of their electoral strategy to
45:08
increase immigration to import voters instead of persuade the
45:12
existing public to vote for them.
45:15
So there's, there's, there's that's, that's two big dynamics.
45:18
The third is as a result of how many migrants Biden let in,
45:21
there are a lot of criminal illegal aliens, like people who
45:24
are child molesters, drug dealers, human traffickers in
45:28
the United States that ICE actually is trying to go out.
45:30
And I think if you look at what some of the people that ICE is
45:33
arresting and, and they they put out some mug shots.
45:35
These are people who have no business being in the country.
45:38
People who have had orders of removal, meaning of an order
45:40
from a judge that says you need to get out that are 10 years, 15
45:44
years old and they just have still been staying in the
45:46
country. So they need to be gotten.
45:49
And then also what's going on in Minnesota.
45:52
We have a very interesting problem where the American left
45:55
is trying to win a policy debate through riots as opposed to
46:00
through the democratic process. They are trying the the laws
46:03
that are being enforced, they're on the books.
46:05
This he's not just President Trump isn't just making it up.
46:08
These are laws that have been on the book for 30 years about what
46:11
President Trump is trying to enforce in Minnesota.
46:13
And instead of conceding to that, local authorities in
46:17
Minnesota are demanding that federal authorities leave that
46:21
federal and not enforce existing immigration law as they were
46:24
voted in to do. Remember, President Trump
46:26
campaigned on mass deportation. This is this was a campaign
46:29
promise. It was extent.
46:31
It was repeated over and over again and he won.
46:33
So if there's a democratic view, you know, if you're pro
46:37
democracy, then you have to, you know, accept the democratic will
46:40
of the people on this issue. But the local authorities in
46:42
Minnesota refused to. And then finally this particular
46:45
issue I think in under American law and the American approach to
46:50
self-defense, it is very obvious that the ICE officer who shot
46:54
that woman was justified in doing so.
46:57
She in our, you know, it's not even in our view.
47:00
And she, she simply drove her car at him when she was under
47:03
orders to be, to, to allow herself to be arrested, right?
47:07
The there's another ICE officer on her door saying get out of
47:10
the car. At that point, you don't have
47:12
the right to do anything except get out of the car.
47:14
Like the police officer is allowed to put you under arrest.
47:17
You're not allowed to resist. So she resisted a, she was
47:21
obstructing life ICE operations. She resisted arrest.
47:24
And then she drove her car right at a, an ICE officer and hit
47:27
him. And, you know, did she deserve
47:31
to die in some cosmic sense? No.
47:33
But did she put the officer in a position where he had to use
47:36
force in self-defense? Yes.
47:38
And the American right, especially we're we're big
47:41
believers in gun rights and self-defense and the right of
47:45
people to, you know, if they're put under threat of their lives,
47:48
they're allowed to use deadly force and response.
47:50
So that that explains that specific issue.
47:53
In terms of immigration more broadly, I think that it's the
47:57
combination of how unbelievably reckless Biden was with the
48:01
southern border. I mean, you have to go back and
48:04
look at sort of the video of border towns in the United
48:07
States along the United States, Mexico border during Biden,
48:10
places like El Paso in Brownsville, TX, where social
48:15
services were completely overwhelmed because you have
48:17
these towns of 10,000 people that are being overwhelmed by
48:20
that many people and migrants, social services failing,
48:23
emergency rooms failing. The Americans got really, really
48:27
tired about illegal immigration under Biden and we wanted to
48:30
stop. And we also know that the again,
48:33
because it's a tool of Democrat political power in terms of try
48:37
to beat the Republican Party and overwhelm them in terms of
48:39
numbers. Republicans want to see want
48:42
that stopped and want, want illegal immigration ended.
48:45
And so we feel very strongly. I mean, Trump managed to take
48:49
the legal border crossings from like hundreds of thousands a
48:52
month down to like 1000 a month or something like that.
48:55
I mean, in a massive reduction in in illegal border crossings,
48:58
he basically secured the border 99% within a few months, which
49:03
again shows that this was a policy choice by Biden.
49:05
I mean, in the same way that, you know, your country's just
49:08
opened the borders to Syrian migrants, well, our our country
49:10
just opened the border to the entire Latin America, not just
49:13
Mexico, but all of Latin America was going through Mexico to come
49:17
to the United States. And I don't know, the Republican
49:20
American Republicans just don't like that at all.
49:23
No, no, we also want the borders to be secured and to have stop
49:27
to illegal migration. Congratulation that you achieved
49:29
it. It's just you know, it makes a
49:31
terrible image on television and it's also for this poor lady's
49:34
family. It's very unfortunate because
49:37
justified kind of use of force in self defence yes but shooting
49:42
three times at the at the obviously white woman seems not
49:46
to be a very heroic thing to be proud of and so I think that was
49:51
that immediately to defense it from the vice president
49:54
downwards yeah was a little bit astonishing and and I think it
49:59
will not help JD Vance's political prospects very well in
50:03
2028 I guess what you. See, I, I think, I think you're
50:07
misreading the American public on this.
50:08
This is where I think this is. That's not the attitude of the
50:11
American right. I can tell you that JD Vance is
50:13
very popular among Trump voters. And in particular, I think this
50:19
is also, it's a part of a history that we've been dealing
50:21
with in the United States. And you have a little bit of
50:23
this with Antifa in Germany. But we've had a really big
50:25
problem for about a decade with this kind of violent protesters
50:31
trying to interfere with law enforcement and go after Trump
50:34
officials. So we see it.
50:35
I think this is sort of understand the recent historical
50:38
context of how American, especially American
50:40
conservatives and American independents see it.
50:42
We're really tired of the these left wing shenanigans.
50:44
Like this woman, as sad as it might have been, she drove, she
50:47
saw an ICE operation ongoing. She was stalking them.
50:50
She turned her car parallel to the road and parked right in the
50:53
middle of it and was dancing around like while honking her
50:57
horn at the ICE officer. So she was just trying to thwart
51:01
this law enforcement operation and acting like a complete
51:04
lunatic. So, you know, and we don't want
51:07
to see our big thing is like we want we've had a number of these
51:11
cases in the past where police officers have been falsely
51:16
accused of murdering people only for the evidence to come out and
51:20
reveal that it was self-defense. I think a case you should look
51:22
at to understand the, again, the history of this.
51:24
Do you remember hands up, don't shoot.
51:27
And Michael Brown, this is a guy, a young black man who was
51:30
killed in Saint Louis. The left made a huge deal out of
51:33
it, said, oh, he was unarmed. It was it was a murder.
51:36
And then the, you know, the evidence came out a little
51:38
later. He had just committed a robbery
51:40
in a convenience store. And the physical evidence show
51:43
that he was actually grabbing for the police officers gun.
51:45
So we're so we are so primed to be tired of these left wing
51:49
shenanigans. And I think from a European
51:51
perspective, where it's far away from you guys, you might just
51:53
see the sort of the the left wing theater and the essentially
51:58
this impression they're trying to create law enforcement is
52:00
murdering people in the American streets.
52:01
That's that's what they're trying to do.
52:03
That is their propaganda. And in the same way that Russia
52:07
creates propaganda in your world that you're like, that's not
52:09
right. That's totally yes.
52:10
So from the American perspective, what you're seeing
52:13
is a product of left wing propaganda.
52:15
We've been dealing with like absolutely absurd anarchist
52:18
leftist for a long time. And this is just another example
52:21
of 1. Very good.
52:22
No, thanks for your clarification.
52:24
I would like to ask you you about Europeans.
52:27
When they enter the United States, they are not somehow
52:31
specially screened against you. Still like us in the United
52:34
States. Yeah, I don't see why we would
52:38
or if we do, it would be a little weird.
52:39
I mean, we might. Again, this is another getting
52:42
back to the very original topic, the more Muslim immigration you
52:45
have, the more we have to worry about that sort of thing.
52:47
But you know, like in general, we're, we're a European, in
52:52
general, we're a European civil, right?
52:54
We are a European civilization at the end of the day, right?
52:56
We, we, you know, we all descend from Europeans, right?
52:58
My, my ancestors are from England and France and I'm
53:02
Jewish on one side. So Eastern Europe, you know, all
53:05
we, we're, we have. I think that's what keeps in
53:09
keeps America. I think that's ultimately what's
53:10
going to keep America and European tied together.
53:12
We're, we are, we are both European civilizations.
53:14
We cut. I mean, our legal system is very
53:17
heavily rooted in the British common law and we, you know, go
53:21
to England and you're like, this is where this is where our
53:24
civilization comes from. You see things.
53:25
It's where we're, we're speaking a similar language in terms of
53:28
how we govern ourselves. So I think that ultimately is
53:31
going to be is the glue that kind of keeps our relationship
53:33
together. Well, please remind President
53:35
Trump when he's getting too much green landy about this common
53:40
thing because we love America. We want to stay with America, we
53:43
love NATO, we want to have NATO strong and we want to have
53:47
victory of the West united with the United States of America.
53:50
We don't want the divorce. We want a closer union across
53:55
the Atlantic. This is our future.
53:57
And this was my talk with Will Chamberlain, who took time, a
54:00
very famous advocate of the American conservative movement,
54:05
expert for migration and for legal reform.
54:08
And I'm very grateful that you took time this afternoon to
54:11
discuss with us. And also your commitment to
54:15
European American friendship feels very good at this time.
54:18
And let's hope that to 2026 will be very successful for you, for
54:22
your family, for America and for the Iranians, which you
54:26
hopefully liberate and for the Ukrainians, which we liberate
54:29
together from the Russian threat.
54:31
That would be perfect. Thanks a lot.
54:33
Will enjoyed your our talk and we'll send you the recording
54:36
very soon. Great.
54:38
Thank you, Gunther. It was very nice.
54:40
I will.