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They Flew to Brazil to Teach Filmmaking and Came Home With a Movie · Crosswalk Talk: Celebrity Christian Interviews

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Speaker 1: Life Audio.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Alex, I think you're joining me. Great to see you.
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Speaker 2: Michael how Aria, I'm doing well.
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Speaker 1: Filmmaker Alex Kendrick the executive producer and writer behind a
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Speaker 1: new movie, Flywheel Ignition of the Soul, which follows the
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Speaker 1: story of an un ethical used car salesman who grows
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Speaker 1: burdened by his own wise and manipulation and begins a
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Speaker 1: journey to win back his wife and son. It's in
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Speaker 1: theaters October the sixteenth, I believe here in America, Alex.
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Speaker 1: Of course, you and your brother Steven are known for
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Speaker 1: movies such as war Room, Overcomer, and The Forge.
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Speaker 2: I liked all those.
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Speaker 1: This one, though, is really different. You did something groundbreaking
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Speaker 1: with it. I'm gonna let you tell people about it.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about Flywheel Ignition of the Ignition of the Soul.
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Speaker 1: What makes it different than the other films you've done?
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Speaker 2: Pure well.
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Speaker 3: This new one is a remake of the very first
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Speaker 3: movie we ever made. It was the low budget, standard
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Speaker 3: deaf Flywheel we made for the community rather our church
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Speaker 3: and already Georgia, and it exploded, ended up selling.
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Speaker 2: Over a million DVDs, and you know, being on a.
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Speaker 3: Number of Christian television networks, and we did almost everything
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Speaker 3: wrong production wise, but the story work to reached people,
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Speaker 3: and so we thought one day it'd be great to
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Speaker 3: reshoot this the right way. But we went on to
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Speaker 3: Facing the Giants, Fireproof, Courageous, war Room, these others, the
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Speaker 3: Forge being the most recent, and so grateful for what
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Speaker 3: we've learned to the process. So after The Forge came out,
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Speaker 3: it was released in Brazil in theaters and went to
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Speaker 3: number one in Brazil and stayed there for a while.
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Speaker 2: And they called us and said.
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Speaker 3: Hey, we have like sixty five young Christian filmmakers that
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Speaker 3: would lun love to learn how to make movies the
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Speaker 3: way you guys make movies. Would you come down and
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Speaker 3: train them? And so Steven and I prayed about it,
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Speaker 3: and we said, we got a piece to do this,
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Speaker 3: let's go.
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Speaker 2: So we go down.
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Speaker 3: We're training them, We're doing boot camps, you know, walking
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Speaker 3: them through what we've learned and things like that, and
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Speaker 3: he goes so, well, they're hungry to learn, and they said,
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Speaker 3: can we shoot a film? Well on short notice, you're
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Speaker 3: thinking feature films are hard to make, take tons of
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Speaker 3: planning about the only one we could do that's already
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Speaker 3: written and never came out in high deaf in theaters
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Speaker 3: was Flywheel.
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Speaker 2: They said, let's do it.
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Speaker 3: So we called Sony and they said we'll fund it,
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Speaker 3: and I was like wow.
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Speaker 2: So when the Lord opened the door, we walked through it.
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Speaker 3: We had a Brazilian author to translate it into Portuguese
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Speaker 3: and we shot it and the Lord put the pieces
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Speaker 3: together so well, and we love the cast and crew.
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Speaker 3: We got their believers and they're talented, but they don't
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Speaker 3: normally have these types of avenues making feature films for
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Speaker 3: the faith audience. So we shot Flywheel and it turned
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Speaker 3: out well, I'm so grateful. But we shot it in Portuguese, Michael,
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Speaker 3: so it'sped with Kidito de Sarah thlt Do Robain, So
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Speaker 3: unless you speak Portuguese, you're gonna say, well, I either
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Speaker 3: need subtitles or dubbed, so we're doing both. For the
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Speaker 3: American audience. We have subtitles and we have an e
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Speaker 3: version that's being dubbed right now and it comes out
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Speaker 3: in theaters. This new Flywheel movie, it's called Flywheel Ignition
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Speaker 3: of the Soul. It is a much better shot, produced
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Speaker 3: version of the original Flywheel and it's updated to modern
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Speaker 3: day times and Rio de Janeiro so beautiful to shoot
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Speaker 3: a film in and with a talented casting crew that
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Speaker 3: people did so much better than Steven and I did
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Speaker 3: making our first version of flywell twenty five years ago.
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Speaker 3: So we're excited about flyweell a ignition of the Soul
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Speaker 3: coming out October sixteenth in theaters.
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Speaker 1: The lead actor is amazing, by the way. I don't
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Speaker 1: know his name, but he's really good. I enjoyed the
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Speaker 1: close captioning. I'm people are different. I was like engaged
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Speaker 1: in the culture and the language and everything.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure people are different. Some people are going to
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Speaker 2: want the dubbing.
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Speaker 1: And the dubbing, of course is when you have English
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Speaker 1: actors and actresses saying the words during the film. Is
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Speaker 1: that so people can go and watch it and not
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Speaker 1: have to read words?
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Speaker 2: Is that right? Correct?
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Speaker 3: And then I did the other day is about a
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Speaker 3: week ago that I dubbed my own Portuguese lines, which
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Speaker 3: was the weirdest thing I've ever done, because I only
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Speaker 3: have three scenes in the movie. I played the banker,
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Speaker 3: and so I did all of my scenes in Portuguese,
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Speaker 3: and so filming the scene in Portuguese and having to
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Speaker 3: come back and dub my English voice over the Portuguese lines.
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Speaker 3: Was a weird thing because I had never done that before.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, so we're doing an English dub where everybody
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Speaker 3: that wants to hear it in English, but the actors
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Speaker 3: if you don't mind subtitles. The actors in Brazil were
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Speaker 3: so good and poured their heart and soul into it,
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Speaker 3: and I thought they did much better than I did
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Speaker 3: when we made the original version.
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Speaker 2: And I can't wait for people to see it.
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Speaker 1: So from beginning to end, I'm trying to picture the
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Speaker 1: timeline here. Alex three, you and your brother Steven. You
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Speaker 1: guys went to Brazil to kind of teach the filmmaking
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Speaker 1: craft and they wanted to make a movie. So did
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Speaker 1: you guys have to come back to America and then
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Speaker 1: kind of get everything going and then they go back
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Speaker 1: to Brazil.
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Speaker 2: Is that kind of how that worked? Or did you?
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Speaker 3: We took two trips down there, so we went down there, well,
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Speaker 3: a number of trips. We went down there to promote
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Speaker 3: the Forge, and the Forge went to number one down there,
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Speaker 3: which was great, and they started asking us, Hey, would
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Speaker 3: you come down here and would you ever want to
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Speaker 3: film a movie down here? And we said, at the
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Speaker 3: Lord's in it we would, and then when they got
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Speaker 3: these filmmakers together, we were like, yeah, we'll go down and
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Speaker 3: train them, do boot camps, and then the conversation started
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Speaker 3: about could we shoot a movie down there? So we
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Speaker 3: go down there, we do the boot camp, all that
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff, come back, solidify that Sony's going to
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Speaker 3: fund it and we can do it. We go back
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Speaker 3: down there to shoot it. So it was a number
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Speaker 3: of trips, but that process was extraordinary in that as
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Speaker 3: the requests came in and as we asked Sony about it,
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Speaker 3: the Lord started putting pieces in place. Because Steven and
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Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of connections in Brazil and
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Speaker 3: we didn't speak Portuguese. We have learned some of it now,
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Speaker 3: but we went down there. We're like, okay, Lord, you
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Speaker 3: got to put the pieces together because we don't know
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Speaker 3: locations like we know of course in the States, or
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Speaker 3: have as many cast and crews. So we use the
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Speaker 3: sixty five people that came for training because they jumped
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Speaker 3: on board quickly, Yeah we want to shoot a movie.
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Speaker 3: And they did fantastic And yes, there were some bumps
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Speaker 3: in the road, as we all learned, but man, the
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Speaker 3: Lord came through in so many ways. It was extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: I mean, for example, when we went down there, this
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Speaker 3: is just crazy. We were like, we need an interpreter.
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Speaker 3: Someone just just stays with us and goes everywhere where.
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Speaker 3: U says, we're learning Portuguese, that he can go ahead
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Speaker 3: and do English and Spanish, but praying for an interpreter.
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Speaker 3: And we're in this group and this guy walks up
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Speaker 3: and says, do you need an interpreter? And we said, yes,
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Speaker 3: who are you? He says, my name is Enrique and
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Speaker 3: I live in Orlando, but I came down here. If
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Speaker 3: you need help, I'm your guy. He's twenty five years
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Speaker 3: old and he stayed with us the rest of the
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Speaker 3: time as our interpreter. And I was like, who sent you?
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Speaker 3: Like where did you even come from? He goes, well,
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Speaker 3: I came down interested in what you guys are doing.
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Speaker 3: If you need any help, I'm here. And so the
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Speaker 3: Lord bam. As soon as we needed somebody, they just
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Speaker 3: walked up and so and I was like, Lord, you're
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Speaker 3: putting the pieces together. We could not have orchestrated that.
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Speaker 3: That was incredible to me.
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Speaker 1: What is going on in Brazil with faith entertainment? Because
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Speaker 1: the Chosen is also big there I know the Showsen
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Speaker 1: folks say that that's their second biggest country.
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Speaker 2: The Forge was big.
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Speaker 1: There is there just an openness of the Gospel that
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Speaker 1: you guys maybe didn't recognize until you know.
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Speaker 3: The Forge did well well. So first, because Brazil has
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Speaker 3: gone through quite a bit of hardship in the recent decades,
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Speaker 3: there is a growing hunger for the Lord to come
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Speaker 3: in and work and bring revival, bring restoration. And so
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Speaker 3: the churches we saw down there were very much alive
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Speaker 3: and their worship was incredible. You know, the gaps between
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Speaker 3: classes there is way more drastic. You know, we talk
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Speaker 3: about upper class and middle class, lower class in America.
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Speaker 3: There really is no middle class in Brazil. It's you
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Speaker 3: either have money or you don't. And so there's a
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Speaker 3: big gap between those. And so people in churches coming
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Speaker 3: asking God please provide for us food this week, right,
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Speaker 3: and they're doing whatever they can to scrape by, and
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Speaker 3: so to go down there and some of them to
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Speaker 3: help us make this film and us to be able
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Speaker 3: to pour into them. It was a blessing for them,
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Speaker 3: a blessing for us. And so God is working overcomer
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Speaker 3: war Room worked down there. The Forge went to number one.
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Speaker 3: The Chosen's going crazy down there, and there's already a hunger.
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Speaker 3: The mayor got involved when he heard we were shooting
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Speaker 3: in a Rio editionary. He said, come to zee me.
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Speaker 3: You know these are American filmmakers. Come talk to us
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Speaker 3: about what's going on. So we went and met with
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Speaker 3: the mayor and said, this is what God has done,
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Speaker 3: this is what he's doing right now, and we're saying,
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Speaker 3: please support and just help us do this, and he said,
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Speaker 3: you got it. And so they would send officers or
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Speaker 3: whatever was needed to protect us and help us to
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Speaker 3: shoot this film, and I was amazed. So they do
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Speaker 3: Christian soap operas down there, but not many feature films
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Speaker 3: at all, like maybe one or two a year, whereas
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Speaker 3: in America you have a dozen to twenty, and so
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Speaker 3: they are hungry for them. And so for us to
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Speaker 3: go down and pour to these young filmmakers as believers
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Speaker 3: to honor the Lord every step of the way, they
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Speaker 3: were hungry for it. And now they want to launch
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Speaker 3: more Christian platforms and films that honor the Lord.
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Speaker 2: And we're watching God at work down there as we're excited.
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Speaker 1: I was initially thinking of what you guys did in
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Speaker 1: this as a mission trip. But I think it's very
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Speaker 1: parallel to Bible translation, and that you're kind of giving
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Speaker 1: people something in there, what they call their heart language.
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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?
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Speaker 1: Because some people would say, why not simply film this
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Speaker 1: here in America and dub it in Portuguese, But you're
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Speaker 1: giving it an authentic flare that most films don't have.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about that? I totally agree.
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Speaker 3: And to shoot it in Brazil in their language and
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Speaker 3: their culture. We updated everything in the movie we could
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Speaker 3: to match their culture. I mean, for example, even twenty
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Speaker 3: five years ago and we shot the original version of Flywheel,
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Speaker 3: there's no social media, there's no Facebook. People aren't walking
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Speaker 3: around with the cell phones everywhere. They have pagers, if
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Speaker 3: you're remere of that. And so to do that, to
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Speaker 3: update everything for modern day, to shoot in Portuguese, in
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Speaker 3: their land, in their culture, and shape the story around that.
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Speaker 3: The elements of the story are the same as the original,
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Speaker 3: but to do it in their culture, and it impacted
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Speaker 3: them so much. Even the main couple, the main husband
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Speaker 3: and wife in the movie are married in real life.
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Speaker 3: They're both actors, and they did such a good job,
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Speaker 3: and they were praying for a child they got pregnant
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Speaker 3: juring production. When we finished shooting the movie, they said, Alex,
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Speaker 3: we have news for you. We are expecting a child.
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Speaker 3: And we were just celebrating That child was just born
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Speaker 3: two weeks ago, and so just celebrating.
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Speaker 2: With the Lord's doing.
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Speaker 3: He answered so many prayers along the way, and so
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Speaker 3: we shot it stayed under budget, and Sony was impressed.
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Speaker 3: They were like, you guys did more of this young
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Speaker 3: team down there than we expected. And so again I'm
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Speaker 3: just so grateful. But they're hungry to watch the Lord work.
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Speaker 3: They're hungry to grow in skill in ministry and just
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Speaker 3: great ingredients.
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Speaker 2: To work with.
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Speaker 1: What are the film's themes you were just talking about that.
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Speaker 1: What are the themes of this film?
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Speaker 3: So its lordship is the primary theme, And basically we
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Speaker 3: follow a used car salesman who goes to the largest
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Speaker 3: church in town to be seen to make connections. All
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Speaker 3: these people that go to this church, the largest church
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Speaker 3: in town.
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Speaker 2: I want connections.
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Speaker 3: I want to sell them cars. So he goes there.
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Speaker 3: His wife is a believer, he is not, and so
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Speaker 3: one day that the pastor of the church he attends
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Speaker 3: comes to buy a car from him, he deceives the pastor.
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Speaker 3: Before the pastor drives off, having paid way too much
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Speaker 3: for this huged car he bought, he turns to the
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Speaker 3: car salesman, whose name is Noah in this movie. He says,
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Speaker 3: no let me pray for you in your car lot.
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Speaker 3: No of course, says absolutely, pastor. Pastor prays, God, thank
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Speaker 3: you for this car, thank you for the great deal
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Speaker 3: I got. And God, I ask that you've blessed this
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Speaker 3: car for years, and that you treat Noah the way
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Speaker 3: he treated me. And so Noah goes inside his office thinking,
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Speaker 3: I don't know, one gotta do that, And so it
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Speaker 3: starts him going down a path of realizing his marriage,
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Speaker 3: his relationship with his son, the way he runs his business.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't truly even respect himself because he's a man
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Speaker 3: that lacks integrity, and so the Lord breaks him. And
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Speaker 3: of course his wife is watching this happen, saying, God,
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Speaker 3: please speak to him, please open his eyes. And then
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Speaker 3: when he turns and gives everything to the Lord, he's
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Speaker 3: broken and he gives his lot, everything gets worse before
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Speaker 3: it gets better, and he has to get rid of
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Speaker 3: some things in his life that were not pleasing to
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Speaker 3: the Lord. And so his employees leave, they say, we're
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Speaker 3: out of here, and he goes to a lot of hardship.
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Speaker 3: But then the Lord starts to rebuild his marriage, his
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Speaker 3: relationship with his son, his character, and then some surprises
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Speaker 3: happened in the films and twists.
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Speaker 2: That we love about the movie that people are going
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Speaker 2: to enjoy.
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Speaker 3: But it's a reflection of the fact that following God
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Speaker 3: does take sacrifice if you do it sincerely. But He
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Speaker 3: is such a faithful, powerful God and does meet us
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Speaker 3: where we are. And so if you love the original Flywheel,
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Speaker 3: you're really gonna like this one. And if you didn't
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Speaker 3: see the original, we are excited that this is a
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Speaker 3: better version. And Michael, for what it's worth, we're doing
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Speaker 3: something right now that I'm so excited about. We have
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Speaker 3: used some of the latest software and we're upgrading the
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Speaker 3: original Flywheel to four K using this detailed software that
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Speaker 3: digitizes and upgrades and everything where it looks like it
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Speaker 3: was shot in four K. And it's an amazing process
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Speaker 3: that we've been working on it for months. So the
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Speaker 3: old Flywheel will look better, but the new Flywheel is fantastic.
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Speaker 3: So whichever one you want to see, both are going
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Speaker 3: to look better, let.
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Speaker 1: Me ask you an existential question. You've been doing this
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Speaker 1: for two decades now. Flywheel was your first facing the giants.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was your second, and it got really starting.
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Speaker 1: The ball really got going with fire Free Fablic. Why
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Speaker 1: are you still passionate about making films.
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Speaker 3: And especially these types of films? Well, my brother Stephen
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Speaker 3: and I have talked about this a number of times.
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Speaker 3: We take the approach the movie screen is not our
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Speaker 3: primary canvas. The human heart is the primary canvas for
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Speaker 3: what we want to present. We want to paint and
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Speaker 3: tell stories that impact the human heart because when our
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Speaker 3: heart wants to turn and honor the Lord with our
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Speaker 3: lives and whether you can be inspired by the story
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Speaker 3: or taking steps of faith or being challenged with your
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Speaker 3: own walk with God, that's what we want to do.
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Speaker 3: So it's not just for entertainment. That's a secondary motive.
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Speaker 3: We do want our movies to be very engaging and relatable,
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Speaker 3: but we want to honor the Lord and tell stories
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Speaker 3: that draw people to deeper faith, the inspiration to courage
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Speaker 3: to making tough steps. You know and all of us.
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Speaker 3: When the Lord wants to grow you, he usually stretches
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Speaker 3: you and puts you in a situation where he says,
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Speaker 3: trust me and take a step, like, nah, I need
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Speaker 3: to know the outcome first. But the Lord says, we
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Speaker 3: trust when we will walk with me. Trust in the
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Speaker 3: Lord with all your heart. Do not lean on your
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Speaker 3: own understanding in all your ways. Acknowledge him, and he
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Speaker 3: will direct your path. So we believe in that, and
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Speaker 3: we see movies as an avenue to reach people because
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Speaker 3: everybody watches movies. We know that meet us comment every week,
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Speaker 3: my kids in college or whatever, we'll find a movie
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Speaker 3: to watch with their friends on a Friday night. And
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Speaker 3: so we're like, well, if that's where our culture is
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Speaker 3: and that's their appetite, let's tell stories that can both
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Speaker 3: engage them and minister to them at the same time.
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Speaker 3: So we've now made ten. We're going to keep going.
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Speaker 3: We've got some exciting ones coming down the path that
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Speaker 3: we're looking forward to, but excited to see what the
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Speaker 3: Lord does with Flywheel Ignition of the Soul, and it's
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Speaker 3: going to open in Brazil a week before Her Sun.
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Speaker 3: It actually opens in Brazil on November the fifth, oh
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Speaker 3: their October month is when they do all of their elections,
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Speaker 3: and so they said, let's get US past the heavy
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Speaker 3: election season, and so it comes out in theaters in
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Speaker 3: Brazil and they're so excited about already. Churches are just
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Speaker 3: but on board. So that's going November fifth in Brazil.
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Speaker 3: So America gets to see it first October sixteenth, and
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Speaker 3: we just can't wait. You can go to Flywheel movie
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Speaker 3: dot com to find out more information.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more question. I always wanted
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Speaker 1: to talk about this with you. Briefly, Facing the Giants
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Speaker 1: was your first big hit. As I said, it's rating
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Speaker 1: at the time I was covering this when I was
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Speaker 1: writing back then, it was rated PG, which is no
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Speaker 1: big deal right now, but back then it sparked a
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Speaker 1: lot of controversy because the PG rating, I believe it
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Speaker 1: said thematic elements right for BG, and those thematic elements,
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Speaker 1: of course, were to talk about God in faith, and
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Speaker 1: so everybody was kind of up in arms looking back,
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Speaker 1: and I remember you guys went on I believe a
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Speaker 1: national television to talk about the controversy over Hollywood or
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Speaker 1: the industry rating your I guess, warning people about the
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Speaker 1: movie because you know.
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Speaker 2: The faith elements that's right.
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Speaker 1: Well, was looking back, was that a moment where God
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Speaker 1: kind of used something that perhaps was frustrating to jumpstart
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Speaker 1: your career.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. When we made Facing the Giants, we
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Speaker 3: knew it should be rated G. I mean, there is
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Speaker 3: no cursing, no sexuality, and anything in it that would
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Speaker 3: give it a PG or worse rating, and so we
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Speaker 3: expected a G rating when they came back and they said, no,
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Speaker 3: you talk about your faith and people need to know
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Speaker 3: this and be warrened. So it's it's PG. Now that's
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Speaker 3: not the end of the world. But we were like
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Speaker 3: struck by that, and oh wow, So it's not the
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Speaker 3: normal things that make a movie PG. It's it's our
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Speaker 3: faith that made a PG. And so that that made
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Speaker 3: a stir in news media and they were reaching out
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Speaker 3: to us, you know, CNN and Fox News and NBC
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Speaker 3: World News Tonight and even Good Morning America. So we
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Speaker 3: did all these interviews and it helped promote and explode
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Speaker 3: the movie. So at first it was an irritation, and
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Speaker 3: then it was like, oh lord, you're doing something beyond
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Speaker 3: what we initially expected, and you gave us eight million
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Speaker 3: dollars worth of free publicity, and so we're grateful. But again,
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Speaker 3: when you're praying and walking in step with the Lord
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Speaker 3: and he's guiding the ship. He does things that don't
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Speaker 3: initially make sense, but it was incredible to see the
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Speaker 3: result of all that. So even when Courageous was PG.
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Speaker 3: Thirteen was we were like, oh, they're dang for a
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Speaker 3: Christian philms. But it turned out to work as it
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Speaker 3: reached men and the men of the target for the
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Speaker 3: movie Courageous and it inspired so many men. And it
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Speaker 3: is a little bit gritty, and so today we're saying, Lord,
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Speaker 3: what do you want to do and help us to
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Speaker 3: follow suit tracking whatever you're doing.
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Speaker 1: I believe the rookie was rated G and had a
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Speaker 1: curse word if I've ever correctly. So those are those
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Speaker 1: rating Those ratings are I think they're obviously needed and
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Speaker 1: that they'd be up some benefit, but sometimes they're just puzzling. Anyway,
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