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Alien: Earth, Season One · Project Geekology

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SPEAKER_00: Alright, alright, alright.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Project Geekology, episode 138.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm one third of your host, Dakota, and today we have an I I think, personally, I think we have an excellent show planned for you.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the culmination of our alien discussion.
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SPEAKER_00: You literally are listening to three super fans of this series.
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SPEAKER_00: New to the series, super fans.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, some of us have, you know, been around for ages, but we've actually been studying these films for uh the past eight or nine weeks at this point, and I think we can all safely say that we are alien super fans.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and we are going to be closing our discussion with Alien Earth season one.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh that is gonna be an awesome discussion.
0:44
SPEAKER_00: Again, I'm one third of your host, Dakota.
0:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm joined as always with Anthony, and I I thought I thought that this week we were covering Peter Pan.
0:52
SPEAKER_02: Did I did I watch the wrong show?
0:56
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Ah yeah, you you watched the wrong show.
0:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh we're we're still on Alien.
1:02
SPEAKER_02: Dang it.
1:03
SPEAKER_02: Well, I guess, you know, if I talk about anything Peter Pan related, then you know, I'm sorry.
1:10
SPEAKER_02: But yes.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh joining us as always is Rich, whose bit was stolen.
1:15
SPEAKER_01: I I I literally was like, alright, so how am I gonna jump in here?
1:20
SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm gonna say that we are talking about Peter Pan and make believe that we're not continuing the franchise that we've been talking about for weeks.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: And uh I have I'm not that quick on my feet, so I'm just excited to talk to you guys about Alien Earth.
1:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm really amped up about it.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: I have lots of questions.
1:38
SPEAKER_01: So uh, I mean, we we really I I need some answers, guys.
1:42
SPEAKER_01: I need some answers.
1:43
SPEAKER_01: We have no more content.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: This is like when I read somebody introduced me to the Harry Potter books before like right as the sixth one came out.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: So I read all of them and the sixth one.
1:52
SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, so when's the next one?
1:53
SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh, it's gonna be like two years.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: I was like, two why would you do this to me?
1:58
SPEAKER_01: Two years.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh I am I am I am like like upset with you guys, right?
2:03
SPEAKER_01: The uh the upset because I I want to know, you know, I want to see Riley come back, you know.
2:10
SPEAKER_02: Don't we all?
2:10
SPEAKER_02: Don't we all?
2:11
SPEAKER_02: But but yeah, Rich, uh it was was the bit stolen when it belongs to the company?
2:16
SPEAKER_02: Was it really stolen?
2:18
SPEAKER_03: I like that.
2:20
SPEAKER_03: There's so many companies.
2:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I agree with you, Dakota.
2:23
SPEAKER_02: I think that the show's gonna be good.
2:25
SPEAKER_02: It really is like the culmination of like everything that we've been watching, and you know, like we we get a lot of good in this show.
2:32
SPEAKER_02: I can't wait to talk about it.
2:34
SPEAKER_02: But before we do that, let us talk about what we have been up to.
2:38
SPEAKER_02: Dakota, what have you been up to?
2:41
SPEAKER_02: It's been a while since you've gone first.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, I mean, here's the thing.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: When I fixate on something, because that's my my that's my particular flavor of I don't know if it's ADHD or autism or whatever, whatever spectrum I fall into, uh, I'm undiagnosed, obviously, but whatever spectrum I fall into, I tie I tend to hyperfixate on things for long periods of time, and it's very difficult for me to get out of that hyperfixation.
3:08
SPEAKER_00: So I'm really into alien right now.
3:10
SPEAKER_00: It's hard for me to watch something like uh Star Wars.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: It's hard for me to jump away from Alien and go into Star Wars.
3:17
SPEAKER_00: So once I get into Star Wars, it'll be hard for me to get into anything else.
3:20
SPEAKER_00: So right now I'm on an alien fix.
3:22
SPEAKER_00: I started reading the Alien Isolation uh novelization.
3:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh Alien Isolation was a video game from I think like 10 or so years ago that uh follows Ripley's daughter.
3:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, which I know you guys didn't watch the special edition of Aliens kind of.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: The special edition of Aliens has that one offline where Ripley says that, you know, like I had a daughter, her name's Amanda Ripley.
3:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, I was supposed to say I was supposed to show up when she was 11, uh, and she never could because she ended up being adrift in space for 57 years, and her daughter ended up dying in that time period.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: So this is the game where we learn that uh Ripley's daughter went out in search for her, and uh potentially, no spoilers because I actually haven't even got there yet, potentially she meets a couple xenomorphs uh along the way.
4:16
SPEAKER_00: So we we shall see.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm excited about it.
4:18
SPEAKER_00: I just started it today, and um, yeah, other than that, I listened to the Alien novelization or the Alien Resurrection novelization, uh, which was the last of the film novelizations that I had never listened to.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: And that was fun.
4:31
SPEAKER_00: I I have a little bit more respect for that film now.
4:35
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, uh, that's that's my hyperfixation that I'm allowed to you know listen to while I'm at work, while I'm mindlessly plugging in outlets, uh, day after day, uh light fixtures in my electrical job.
4:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's what I've been up to besides Alien Earth.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, a couple uh episodes of Smallville sprinkled in there, but that's but that's pretty much it, guys.
4:56
SPEAKER_00: Um gonna throw it over to Anthony.
4:58
SPEAKER_00: What the heck has that guy been up to?
5:00
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: I I I I actually have been like I've been really enjoying the the Alien series I've been or like you know the Alien Earth, so I I feel like I've been spending a good bit of time on that.
5:12
SPEAKER_02: Um and then also like prepping for my my trip, you know, I have uh I'm gonna be gone for a couple of weeks, so you know, there's a you know, there's a possibility that some somewhere in that time we may go a week without an episode, you know.
5:30
SPEAKER_02: Maybe hopefully Dakota and Rich throw an episode in there.
5:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's uh I haven't been told anything.
5:38
SPEAKER_02: I don't know uh, you know, if they will, if they won't, we we shall see.
5:42
SPEAKER_02: But um but yeah, no, I'm excited to go on my trip and you know just get some uh nice relaxation in.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: Um as far as whether or not uh Rich and I will carry on the pod in your absence, be not afraid, my child.
5:58
SPEAKER_00: We will do something.
5:59
SPEAKER_00: I was thinking persona five.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh man, that would be hilarious.
6:05
SPEAKER_02: But honestly, to tell you the truth, look, if if if I have to sacrifice being on that episode to finally get Dakota to play the game, then you know I I I shall, you know, I I sh I shall sacrifice that, you know.
6:20
SPEAKER_01: I I'll tell you the only reason I said that is because as I was going through uh because this ties both of you guys together because I was aimlessly going through the PlayStation store and I needed a fix and I wrote Alien in and I was really looking hard at Alien Isolation, but before I got to Alien Isolation, as I was going through the suggested games, one of them was Persona 5.
6:43
SPEAKER_01: So that's when I was like, that that's the episode we're gonna do while Anthony's away.
6:48
SPEAKER_02: That's uh see see Persona 5's is trying to pull you in.
6:52
SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
6:53
SPEAKER_02: So so yeah, Rich, what what have you been up to?
6:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, I I as we uh always do, we have about a three-hour combo before we start the show.
7:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh no, but I uh I did get to regal the guys with the fact that I I was able to successfully keep a 75-inch TV on the wall.
7:09
SPEAKER_01: I won my fantasy baseball league this year, and with my winnings, I basically said to my wife, well, to be fair, there was a a very wide column in the center of my screen, which made play playing baseball difficult.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: Every other game where it just felt like you were like you just had the shade in your eye and you just had to go around it.
7:29
SPEAKER_01: So I I replaced it.
7:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it is transformative.
7:32
SPEAKER_01: I went from a 50 inch to a 75 inch.
7:34
SPEAKER_01: In terms of my room, it's probably uh Ray Bar Bradbury-esque.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: Like it it it almost seems like the future, like it shouldn't be this big.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh Red Dead You've entered the the Vites.
7:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna lie to you guys, the most the biggest boon to this TV is that when I played Red Dead, you know, I always had a hard time getting finding the squirrels.
7:54
SPEAKER_01: And it's just like the the the size of the TV, how far it was away, whatever.
7:59
SPEAKER_01: I had a really hard time hunting for the smaller game, and I couldn't complete my satchels.
8:04
SPEAKER_01: My goodness, guys.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: I can see a squirrel like it's a life squirrel.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: Like like it's just like it's a it's a cr it's right there across the street.
8:11
SPEAKER_01: It is it is crystal clear.
8:14
SPEAKER_01: I'm at killing so many squirrels, rats, uh it's uh it's pretty awesome.
8:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna lie.
8:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty excited.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: R Rich, are you are you on single digits or double digits in uh playthroughs of uh Red Dead 2?
8:27
SPEAKER_01: I think I crossed into my double.
8:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I like I said, I was gonna get the alien game, and then I realized I reminded myself or remembered that I know I told you guys I don't like horror movies, and I watched this whole thing with you, right?
8:41
SPEAKER_01: But I really don't like horror games.
8:43
SPEAKER_01: Like other than Resident Evil, and I stopped playing them because they got too scary for me.
8:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't like horror games.
8:50
SPEAKER_01: That's not that's not what I think.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: It is a horror game.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't want to pay and I don't want to pay money to be like I honestly that's not a that's not an enjoyable I want to hunt squirrels, you know.
8:59
SPEAKER_01: Like I want to play poker for five hours in strawberry uh with random guys there and drink whiskey in my actual life.
9:07
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't my my gaming is not for for fear.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: Like I I can't understandable.
9:13
SPEAKER_00: I totally get it.
9:14
SPEAKER_02: I feel I feel like alien isolation though is scarier than like the actual content that we watch though.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh really?
9:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean let's be real, like alien is horror light.
9:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not like full-on horror.
9:28
SPEAKER_02: You know, that like there's not really many jump scares.
9:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, there is dread, but like I I don't know, like it's not the kind of dread that makes you anxious like other horror movies do.
9:42
SPEAKER_02: Like Jeepers can be.
9:43
SPEAKER_02: You know, it can make you a little anxious, but not like I I would say Romulus was probably like the one that had me like, you know, when uh Isabella Merced's character was like behind the door and you're like, you know, and she's like kind of looking at this thing as it's emerging.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: That was like I was like, ooh.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: But um, but yeah, no, I alien isolation is definitely something that would uh raise the blood pressure.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for that.
10:10
SPEAKER_00: Think thank you for that because I don't I don't wanna I don't wanna I'm content with my novelization of the game.
10:18
SPEAKER_00: Apparently it's actually a very faithful com uh novelization and it gets into the the mindset of Amanda Ripley, the character, really well.
10:26
SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm I'm enjoying it.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: I've already shed a tear or two.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: Um it's actually like kinda depressing.
10:32
SPEAKER_00: Like it's uh no, it's it's very depressing because like we've always seen Ripley's side of the like point of view.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: We know that she had a daughter at some point.
10:41
SPEAKER_00: We don't really ever think about how the daughter felt about her being away for 57 for her entire life.
10:47
SPEAKER_00: But this shows what that was like.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: They they like do a whole flashback chapter to her just never coming back, and it's it's just terrible because she's like 10 years old, and yeah, it's just it's just a it's a horrible time.
11:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's it's a good novelization so far, and I'm excited to continue it.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: But uh, but yeah, Rich, I'm very happy for you.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm happy for your TV.
11:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm happy that it's up on the wall to your liking.
11:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's the most important part.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, it's I I got I told you guys I got Mario Odyssey.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: I I I threw that up there.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Woo! You can wear Pancho and a sombrero, like amazing.
11:23
SPEAKER_01: I love that game.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh I it is a really good one.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: I know I'm like 12 years behind or something, but if you haven't played it and your son happened to give you a Switch 1 for no reason, Odyssey's great.
11:33
SPEAKER_00: It's so much fun, man.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let me go ask my son for uh a Switch 1, you know.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: Let me do that too.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
11:42
SPEAKER_01: Should we jump into Switch 2 to get the Switch 1 though?
11:47
SPEAKER_01: And the Switch 1, ironically, you also bought.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: So like, oh man.
11:51
SPEAKER_01: So either way, so technically you make twice.
11:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:54
SPEAKER_02: Now I'm not ready to jump into Alien Earth.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm ready to crash land into Alien Earth.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's get cooked.
12:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay, see what I did before we get cooked.
12:01
SPEAKER_02: Crash land.
12:02
SPEAKER_00: I I I see what you did there.
12:04
SPEAKER_00: Guys, if you have not watched Alien Earth season one, that reference may have been lost on you.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: Basically basically the ship at the beginning of this show, the uh I think it's the USS uh Maginot or Maginot.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: There's an alien breach on board, the whole crew is dead except for a cyborg who like you know hides himself away inside the the interior of the ship's uh like crash chamber or whatever, and it crashes right into planet Earth, um, into territory not owned by Whaland Utani, even though it was a whaland Utani ship, and that starts the whole drama that we see in this series.
12:48
SPEAKER_00: And I want to start off with that, you know, like this show doesn't just show us the company, it it actually doesn't really even focus on the company.
12:57
SPEAKER_00: The the you know, whaland Utani is an ever-present, you know, force in the background of this show, but we're actually shown a new uh an entirely new we're given a lot of new lore, actually.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh it it it basically suggests that there are five corporations that run the world.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it they are rulers of the world.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: There are no more government structures as we know them today, but in 2120, there are five, they they call them the five, you know, they're the five corporations, and one of them is Weyland Utani, the other one is Prodigy that the show revolves around.
13:32
SPEAKER_00: And then Amazon and Disney, right?
13:34
SPEAKER_00: And Walmart.
13:35
SPEAKER_00: We can't forget Walmart.
13:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, honestly, I really, really liked that the show brought that up because you remember when we first started this series, we were talking about like, you know, what is the company?
13:49
SPEAKER_02: You know, it they're they're almost governmental, you know.
13:53
SPEAKER_02: Before we got the Weylin Utani, and then back then it was Weylin, not Weyland uh Uttani.
14:00
SPEAKER_02: Remember?
14:01
SPEAKER_02: And so I remember we were kind of like speculating, like, you know, what what are these what what is it?
14:07
SPEAKER_02: It's like very governmental.
14:09
SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, we were kind of speculating, like, well, you know, apparently there's no government around, so obviously this company is the gov government.
14:18
SPEAKER_02: And you know, we were pretty close on the mark because it's it's not just one company, it's five companies.
14:23
SPEAKER_02: But they they explained how the regular government just wasn't getting the job done, but these five companies rose up and got the job done.
14:33
SPEAKER_02: So I I really do like that we got the that lore, that expanded lore that that uh kind of explains why these companies have so much power.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, like I wish we had like a fourth person on the show who could like explain the timing of everything, right?
14:50
SPEAKER_01: Because I I just don't understand this.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: Like so, to my knowledge, this is only a couple years before the Nostromo goes out towards LV 446.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: I don't I think I'm wrong on that.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: 426, yeah.
15:05
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: So this is only a couple years before that, right?
15:09
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and to our knowledge, this entire time, I felt like uh and Riley and sorry, Ripley's mission, right, was to make sure at some point that the aliens never reach Earth.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
15:22
SPEAKER_01: However, we not only find out that an alien reaches, a xenomorph reaches Earth, but we find out that I mean we'll talk about that eye.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: That eye, all right, but we find out that multiple aliens, like I don't understand it seems like the and and grant granted, this they they had to change a little bit of stuff, but it seemed like the entire crew of the Nostromo seemed except for um our good friend uh Bilbo, right?
15:51
SPEAKER_01: Like everybody was surprised by the fact that there were these aliens.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: Right.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Alright, so we we have to like we have to play around with what individuals know, basic level employees, you know, like uh we understand that the big players of the the world, we have Utani and we have Cavalier, who know about the alien's existence.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: These are the only two of the five that have uh extensive knowledge on what the cargo was that the Maginot was bringing back.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: The Maginot was bringing back cargo from their 65-year journey.
16:31
SPEAKER_00: So they they visited several planets, picked up a couple species along the way.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: One of them, presumably, well, one of the planets that they presumably stopped at was LV426.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: It's actually a uh a moon, um, technically in a forest in alien lore.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: It's not a forest moon, actually, it's uh very barren.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: Um but they do uh we we we do have the cyborg character say that it was a faraway moon.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: So most likely that is the place that they picked up the xenomorphs, uh, was LV426, prior to the Nostromo ever going there.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: This show does confuse some things on the timeline.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't think that that necessarily is one of them.
17:14
SPEAKER_00: You just have to kind of understand that the the crew of the Nostromo would have absolutely no idea.
17:20
SPEAKER_00: So they left Earth right around the time that this show was taking place, right?
17:24
SPEAKER_00: They left Earth in about 2120 to go to Thetis, which was a mining colony.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: On their way back from Thetis, going back to Earth, they were diverted to this faraway moon called LV426.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: That's where the SOS thing was happening.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, that they picked up the first xenomorph.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, right around the time that they were leaving Earth is when the Maginot crashed, and most likely the majority of the Earth never finds out about this alien infestation that appears on this island.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: As of right now, that's the case.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: As of right now, that's the case.
18:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh honestly, I feel like it's believable enough.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: You know, if it was in the middle, it you know, if the aliens spread out in the middle of the city, it would be a tougher sell.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: But the fact that they were moved over to this island, and for the most part, dude, everybody that most of the people that witnessed the aliens died.
18:23
SPEAKER_02: Except for like, and we don't know the fate of the you know, the the people who who still survived towards the end, but yeah, Utani obviously wouldn't be blabbering that there were these aliens that that she brought to to Earth, right?
18:38
SPEAKER_02: And the fact that all of what you know, and by the end, I mean we we see we'll we'll talk about the ends, but for the most part, it would make sense that Weyland Utani would need like some sort of you know, they're like they're sending these people out, you know, we're having a hard time getting our specimens back, we need to get more.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, to me it makes sense.
19:02
SPEAKER_02: Am I wrong in believing or am I wrong in saying that I that it is believable that nobody would find out about this because all of this happened on a pretty secretive island?
19:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't think you'd be, you know, I don't think anyone holds you accountable for that.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: I I do think that it's extremely believable that uh this never broke out of containment, basically.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, like there was clearly this event on this island that was hushed up.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: Um we can already like kind of tell that this is going to be a hushed event because they're basically going aga both Utani and Cab uh Prodigy are going against um their own governmental like structures where they're like kind of breaching the uh the the stuff that they have going on.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: Right.
19:50
SPEAKER_02: Right, like um Prodigy stealing the specimens, and then the specimens were bringing being brought to Earth when they weren't supposed to be brought to Earth.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: Like they're supposed to be brought to some you know, they they said that they were going to be brought to some off-world research station, but was that really gonna happen?
20:08
SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: Right.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like you know, if if there was like a UFO that uh crash landed in the desert in the US and the government retrieved it, and so on and so forth.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: This may have happened canonically in the real world, but we the people do not know that this happens.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: We will probably never know that this happened unless you know this is like leaked to the the general populace.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: So it's one of those things, like it's it's need to know information, and this specifically doesn't um hurt anything like Nostromo-wise.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: Actually, I think it makes the case for the Nostromo even stronger because up to this point we don't know how the company knew to divert the Nostromo from their their travels to LV426.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: We don't know why they put Ash on board to make sure that they uh kept the the specimens alive.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: Now we kind of do because we we have Utani who now realizes that oh man, we need these things for our weapons division.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: Um other companies are starting to like become wise to the fact that xenomorphs exist, like Prodigy.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: We need to you know send another ship out to get some specimens back, and this is the first one that's in that quadrant or whatever.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: And that's okay.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: That works.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: So now it all kind of clicks together a little bit.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: That then I basically needed like you know, like the kind of timeline fixing.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm I know you're a little bit of an amateur with the timeline stuff, but like I I'm not very good at it, but I I do I do a I dabble a little bit.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Do you have a place where any of us who are maybe are interested in the alien timeline could go check out any information?
22:06
SPEAKER_01: Like can you point us in the right direction?
22:08
SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, I don't have a YouTube channel named Geek Critique, um, where I am currently working on an eight-part video series from Alien to Alien Earth, uh, in which I have written and recorded my second part on aliens.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh and I have yet to uh release that.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: But no, I don't have I don't have a channel like that.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: Maybe if I come up with something, we'll we'll put it out, we'll put it down in the show notes.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: Um I'll I'll figure something out.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh there are some timeline mistakes though, or things in the timeline that need to be wrapped a little neater, uh, I should say.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: So we have the Magino who that that has been on a 65-year journey.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: That's confirmed at this point.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: 65?
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Not 67.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no.
22:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing a bit here.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: Like it isn't uh isn't that an important number for us?
23:00
SPEAKER_01: 60 yeah.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm not being funny.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: Like I th I 65 is actually an important number.
23:06
SPEAKER_00: Um uh we we spoke about it on a previous podcast.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: In the Aliens novelization by Alan Dean Foster, uh, we find out that anything longer than 65 years in cryo sleep or hypersleep, whatever you want to call it, is bad for the body.
23:20
SPEAKER_00: The body starts to deteriorate.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: But going back to Alien Earth, Wayland Utani did not exist as a company 65 years prior to 2012.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: Because we found out in like the 21 or the the 2090s in Prometheus that it was just Wayland Corporation or Wayland Industries, I forget what the name was, but um, so that is interesting because that that does change the potential uh directory going backwards uh with this timeline.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: Are they suggesting that Prometheus and Covenant are not canon?
23:56
SPEAKER_00: I know that um the uh creators of the show were kind of I I think they dismissed a lot of like what they didn't want to deal with within like the prequels, which was like the the black goo and all that.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they wanted to deal with any of that, so I think they just kind of like disregarded it in their minds.
24:15
SPEAKER_00: But there is a way to make this work.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: So we have uh the cyborg character.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: I I keep forgetting his name, but um yeah, Morrow, Mr.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: Morrow.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I forgot that.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: That's such a great name, too.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: They have Mr.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: Morrow, who is who has a direct line to Yutani, and he keeps saying Yutani throughout most of this.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: So that leads me to assume that the Maginot was a Yutani research vessel prior to Utani and Weyland coming together, and at some point they received, you know, like I'm sure for a 65-year mission they required multiple um like care packages.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: And I I'm assuming they got new gear that said Weyland Utani on it.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: They, you know, they they got a whole fix-up for their the the Wayland Utani upgrade, basically.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Right.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Um so that's the way that on that mission.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm sorry.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: Before he had left on that mission, um it was like her grandmother that was in charge.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it was still he was still dealing with the Utani family at this point.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: That's the way I I look at that, because uh instead of dealing with Peter Wayland, which he would have dealt with if it was a Wayland Utani thing, he was dealing with strictly Uttani.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: And he still is, because the Uttanis now own the Wayland Corporation at this point in the in the history.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so that's that's that's one thing that I think should be patched over if they ever do a second season.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, just to like there's no reason for them to completely dismiss Prometheus and Covenant.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: They can ignore certain aspects of it, but they shouldn't just completely make it non-canonical.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't think that there's any value in that.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: I think that makes the universe a little bit smaller.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: There's there's a line that um I gotta pull up the cast list because I'm I'm I'm falling short here.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: Uh Timothy Olafant's character, Kersh.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: That was cool seeing him in there.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh my gosh, what's this guy doing?
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Olafant is such a great, he has such a great face, dude.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: He's so like it's such a classy face.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: It's always it's a pleasure to see Timothy Olafant in anything.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: And he did a really good job in like being that like kind of Calus Synth-like character, you know, that scene.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I have some comments about him.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I have um he he says a line in this that really confused me.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: He said, like, uh, you know, that Wendy has the potential to discover faster-than-light travel.
26:45
SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking to myself, wait a minute, we definitely already have faster-than-light travel.
26:50
SPEAKER_00: There's no way you can make it to LV426 without faster-than-light travel.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just not possible.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: Like the Nostromo, two years from now, coming coming back from LV426, is moving like 14 times faster than the speed of light.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's it's they have to have it.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just it's it's such it's a weird line.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, the the way we can calculate that is because they give us like an actual real-world star system, Zeta 2 reticular, um, in the first movie.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: So by using that star system and figuring out how many light years away that is, you can calculate okay, they have a 10-month journey.
27:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, in 39 point something light years, it takes them 10 months, they're going about 14 times the speed of light.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: So that's that's how we we know that they're able to travel faster than light, you know.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: So it's weird that the Maginot doesn't have it or they don't know that they have it yet.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's it was a weird line.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna disregard it because it doesn't make any sense.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: There was something Let's talk about the synths and the hybrids guys.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: I think as we we go through the conversation, we have to remember that the the the showrunners or whatever of Alien Earth, I read somewhere where they said, like, yeah, we're gonna, you know, follow stuff, but at the end of the day, the alien fans are not as I forgot the word he used, but essentially the the sentiment was you know, they're they're not so held down by specific exact rules of the lore.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: So essentially, like they kind of said, We're gonna observe some and we're gonna ignore others or change it if we want.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um I do respect that to some degree because uh I do think all alien stuff has added and changed lore from the previous thing.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah like that's that's a that's a thing that's always happened.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but um so long as it all works together, that that's what makes it a cohesive hole.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: Um let's let's uh dial back because we've had synthetics, we've had robots, we've had androids, they're all the same thing.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: But now we have something new.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: We have two things that are new, actually.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: They they introduced cyborgs, which are humans augmented with uh machine-like parts, which probably predates synthetics.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh because Mr.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: Morrow, a cyborg, left 65 years ago uh on the Maginot.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: That would mean that he predated the first synthetic, which was David.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: So cyborgs probably predate synthetics, which is pretty cool.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: That works in the timeline.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: What do we think about Mr.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: Morrow and uh his his um augmentations?
29:32
SPEAKER_00: I yeah, what what what are our thoughts?
29:34
SPEAKER_00: T went.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: It's cool.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: It's cool.
29:37
SPEAKER_02: I I I like I like that that his character exists because not only does he have like kind of that that cold kind of like machine type of he he can kind of like become synth like but he also has like the street smarts of like a human being.
29:58
SPEAKER_02: Like he he can like you you saw how he tricked um slightly, you know?
30:04
SPEAKER_02: Aurush, yeah.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel so bad for that guy.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I did too.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: But like I mean, like you know, the the the there there was some charisma there, like, you know, hey, you want to be my friend, right?
30:16
SPEAKER_02: That kind of thing.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: Dude, I mean Mara was his character was that guy had some candy in his van.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: Um he's uh uh he's a tough guy I thought he was really cool right like a construction you know um kind of T1000 like where he just like you know there's that one point where he pulls up the sword uh which you know I I'm not gonna lie like I I the I like uh I I I'd like to know like a definition of what the cyborg can do I guess like it's almost like the T1000 like annoyed me in Terminator 2 because I was like what you could just do anything like and then until like Arnold was able to like he could take any shape but it can't be something that is a mechanical item you know like then I understood it a little bit more I I kind of wish I would have had a little bit about that.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: But yeah like like what Anthony was saying about how he's callous you know and we we do get those scenes with you know his his daughter but it still seems like he's just like well if I had to waste my life I'm at least gonna do my job the right way which is just like the the level of dedication that man gets so much juice like poured on him like before they crash like it's crazy and you would think that would be enough for him not to want to do more and he does more like he's like no I'm gonna keep helping you I mean it was um he's a very interesting character his motivations I think are so different in this franchise you know because he's not uh he's not a complete synth uh like Ash but he still has that dogged uh you know I'm gonna I'm gonna finish the mission type type thing you know yeah it's a certain determination that he has that we don't really see from any of the human characters previously uh I mean we have characters like Burke in Aliens who will do anything to make a buck but we don't have anyone as like cruel and vicious and maniacal and kind of twisted in some ways as this guy Mr.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: Morrow which is kind of strange because like he crash landed.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: He could have easily disappeared and Yutani would have been none the wiser you know like he he could have just never shown up again and you know made his own life and that would be the end of his mission.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: But I guess then he would have forfeited all of his pay so probably wouldn't have been a great idea.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: Um so I guess he did need it I he did waste 65 years of his life on this so he might as well you know ah finish the job whatever yeah I I I see I see his I'm I'm starting to like like come around to like his rationale as we as we speak.
32:57
SPEAKER_02: But yeah I I think it was just his left arm that was mechanized right I I think he he had uh just just his left arm had uh cyber parts I I think he had cybernetics like in his head too because he had connected um you're right yes yes yes yes he like he had downloaded from the ship dude his moment in the like the ship command center kind of reminded me of Ash when he was like in the command center like kind of uh taking over commands of the the ship and like you know letting the company know that that the specimens are going to be safe kind of that kind of thing that that that really reminded me of of that scene or that moment in uh the first alien movie but yeah he was his character was was in really interesting and I liked that they had him I like that they had like it was almost like a progression you know and and it actually it it shows um the in the beginning of the show it talks about how pe how humans are trying to achieve immortality and cyborg was one of them hybrid was what like you know like transferring the mind to uh to a synthetic so that was that was one and I forgot what the third one was uh synthetic cyborg and hybrid okay yeah which which I I which I thought was weird because synthetics were kind of just robots and then hybrids were actually human but like their mind in a synthetic yeah so we gotta we gotta talk about hybrids because this is the first time in the alien franchise where we are getting the notion that humans can create a transhumanist uh experience where they put their consciousness into something that will live past them and we're given like I think it's uh six kids who have terminal illness illnesses and their minds are just moldable enough where they're able to make the journey into a synthetic.
35:01
SPEAKER_00: We don't know how truthful the boy cavalier was in that respect.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: We don't know that like adults can make the the jump I'm I'm sure given enough time they could figure that out they said something actually at one point.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it was like the third or fourth episode but I I believe it was said that this can't be done with adults that it can only be done with children because something about their mind is kind of more accepting.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: So I I feel like they tried to do this with adults and there was like a um it sounds like there was a mental inability for the mind to accept process and accept this situation and the kids were the most malleable kind of like how kids can supposedly like in some things like see ghosts and things where the adults can't.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: Alright so we we have uh a couple kids the the primary kid is one named Marcy she has uh terminal cancer of some sort um she's the first of her kind and she is led to the body of a an adult synthetic that uh g she ends up calling Wendy because she happened to be watching uh a clip from the Disney movie Peter Pan um and you know now's a good time to like bring up Peter Pan references throughout the entire show because that seems to be the overarching theme of the entire first season is the parallels to Peter Pan.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: We have Boy Cavalier uh the the owner of the Prodigy company who's a trillionaire uh genius inventor whatever um he's basically the boy who uh never grew up he's Peter Pan he has kidnapped children so that they can be children forever until they are no longer willing to be children basically and that at the end of the series we have them leave Neverland.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: Presumably we we don't actually see them leave Neverland but you know I'm assuming that the children will leave Neverland uh because there's nothing there for them anymore they are choosing to grow up or grow out of the cage that Peter has brought them in.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: And you know the the the actual story of Peter Pan is a children's tale and Peter Pan's kind of like a hero-ish character but the the themes of the story are quite dark if you really get down to to you know brass tacks with it peter pan does kidnap children you know like peter pan isn't he isn't a wholly good character like there there is personal gain in whatever he does you know like uh but it so it's it's an interesting parallel and I I they I I really really really liked the fact that they were reading passages from Peter Pan throughout the course of the show as the kids would go to sleep.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: I just thought like this is such a fun way to introduce these concepts narratively in an alien series series.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: And even like the the main character Wendy she's basically the mother of the Lost Boys and we you know we've been talking about motherhood throughout the entirety of the alien franchise you know that's that's a theme that has existed since the since the very first movie.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: And now we have Wendy Darling the the mother of the lost the the lost boys and I I just I was kind of blown away by it I think that they did a really really good job of just tying all of this together um in a meaningful way and a lot of the kids you know like they they had their Peter Pan Lost Boy names that they eventually kind of abandoned.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: You know one by one they kind of started going by different names or their their old name and I I thought that was kind of that was just it was cool.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: It was it showed that even though they were in the bodies of synthetics they were showing individuality which surprised Cavalier which you know every time that Cavalier was surprised it made me so happy because his surprise always came at his own detriment.
39:03
SPEAKER_02: And yeah what what are your what are your thoughts on the Peter Pan stuff the hybrid synthetics uh anything uh Anthony let's let's start with you he uh it it's it's funny that he would find something like that surprising because like sure they are synthetic but there is at least a piece of humanity that is in there with them transferring the human mind.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: The whole idea is to prolong a person's life by transferring their mind over.
39:36
SPEAKER_02: So obviously they're gonna have some sort of identity to who they were because that's their mind is pretty much where you know the person resides like where like where the person's personality and and everything about them is in the mind, you know?
39:54
SPEAKER_02: So that that really shouldn't have come to a surprise but yeah you know and and yeah he would have surprises like um you know with like the the eyeball alien and some of the some of the other aliens that and it ends yeah it just ends up kind of biting him in the butt in the end but he almost kind of you you know I will say that with how immature he could be he kind of took the ending like a man like it's just like I've been I I've been uh I've been outplayed pretty much because you saw his reaction in the end right like it wasn't like he wasn't pissed off he was just like well I got played yeah it was almost like he he lost a game you know but he thought this this was a f uh an effing interesting conversation you know like he he had he finally got his interesting conversation at the end uh Rich what are your thoughts on this whole thing all right well first of all uh Dime store Timothy Chamelet Timothy Chamelet uh over here Timothy Chalon uh he I when he walked into the meeting with uh Utani and my man listen I don't care what the future is like all right at least we're crocs like what are you doing what are you doing walking around barefoot like it just it adds to his I don't know if we can use this word I don't know douche-ness like it I greatly despise him altogether he is horribly obnoxious curious to the point of danger just like a scientist with no morals but not even a scientist just literally like a child almost with these fanciful ideas and then it's weird because he's so childlike but he treats he has no compassion at all for what I will call his creations right he he just sees them as a a means to an end and uh I thought that uh well I I don't know why I noticed this I I sp I told you the other day but the the the actress who plays like the mom of all the the hybrids she was the uh you know she was like in the Mummer's farce in Game of Thrones and I I always thought she was like so good in that little scene where Arya tries to kill her and here uh you know damn near fifteen years or so since she was there I I thought she did a great job here it was very convincing I thought her acting was great throughout you know as you get towards the end you could see how she's getting more and more disheveled.
42:41
SPEAKER_01: I felt like she really cared for these children as as as weird as that sounds like I bought it you know like she whether it's true or not like she felt like they were her kids.
42:55
SPEAKER_01: And I was convinced of that.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah you're talking about uh esse davis is the actress's name she played dame silvia in this in this series yeah she did a she did a fantastic job one one of the like really interesting things that I don't think they were really expecting I don't think uh dollar store Timothy Chalamet um was expecting the rebellion of the the synthetics he thought that you know like this was a gift that I'm giving you I'm giving you life you know like you you repay it by staying on the island forever and doing my my will but um their individuality came at a cost they weren't they did not have the minds of the synths they did not have the programming of the synths they were still children but you gave them the the bodies of superhuman you know like they could jump higher take a lot stronger hits they could uh were they were a lot stronger and that became a very terrifying thing for a lot of people including Dame Sylvia when uh one of the one of the girls uh skib claimed that she was pregnant nibs claims that she was pregnant and that was a terrifying scene because it's just like what does this mean like this is like such strange psychological behavior and you know you do see this in kids that have like post-traumatic stress um you know like that that is a thing that like some some kids do or start suggesting when they have a mental break you know and that clearly is still a possibility with the synthetic bodies you know they can still have those mental breaks and it was terrifying when you know she almost killed uh Dame Sylvia right then and there um even though I do think that dame Sylvia and her husband Arthur cared to some degree for the livelihoods.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Well I think Arthur definitely cared um for for the the children um the wife was was more the eager scientists willing to you know like push the boundaries of science.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah sorry I don't want to talk too much but uh what I I do want to talk a little bit about like Mr.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: Morrow and Slightly and his connection with Slightly you know I I think that that is a really I don't know if it's a strong point of the show but it's it's definitely a tense point of the series.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: Like you you have this looming threat of Mr.
45:24
SPEAKER_00: Morrow potentially killing his real world parents if he doesn't get a xenomorph to uh you know pop up basically you know like if he doesn't kill a a human host.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh what are what are our thoughts on this whole interaction with Mr.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: Morrow and Slightly and all that Anthony?
45:43
SPEAKER_02: It was pretty tense I I think that that was kind of like the the turning point in the in the show and you really started to see the the cracks were starting to get wider you know in in like the whole hybrid you know because now you have this child that has kind of all a lot of power right and they're able to kind of like do whatever they want and honestly like you guys were talking about how Arthur was caring for the kids like I kind of felt bad for his fate in this whole situation between uh slightly and morrow you know he becomes the the guinea pig that scene that scene where like they're on the beach and he can tell that the children are lying and he's just like kids need to learn how to lie and I know that you guys are lying let's let's go back I for I forgive you you know like we're gonna work this out I felt so bad for you because you knew right then and there this guy was gonna die.
46:48
SPEAKER_00: And I was just like this poor guy this the one person that this genuinely does not deserve to to happen to on this series is is the guy that's gonna get it.
47:00
SPEAKER_00: Oh man that that really that really tore me apart that scene.
47:04
SPEAKER_00: Rich what are your thoughts on the whole slyly morrow Arthur conundrum?
47:09
SPEAKER_01: Well there's just a couple so obviously it was you know kind of upsetting to to watch the way it was rolling out and the way he was being uh blackmailed there were just a couple things I thought were a little a little too neat about kind of all that like just the idea that he wouldn't tell anybody at all was a little bit like off uh I thought that what is the guy uh Timmy Oliphant uh him trusting Isaac to take care of the the specimens was just a very non-synthetic solution to a problem right like we have to talk about his character next yeah because like there's something weird going on because with uh like a a lot of okay so for example right if he doesn't trust Isaac then uh slightly essentially doesn't get the opportunity to follow through on a plan that I thought was ambitious on the side as a part of the side like I know the cyborg was blackmailing him right but like I don't know trying to think of a non-mean way to say this but how like it's crazy to me that Moros believed that Slightly could not only like unleash the xenomorph but then like then put it on a human host then drag the host to the beach within this time frame right like so much had to go exactly right that it just it that bothered me a little bit and I wasn't completely annoyed by it until I'm sorry I can't remember his name but Timmy uh Timothy Oliphant's character's behavior with Isaac right because then Kershame the I don't I really don't understand like Kirsch's approach right like it's like what are you doing bro Kirsch is an is an anomaly throughout this entire series for a number of reasons.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: We know that he's synthetic we know that he for some reason hates this cyborg Mr.
49:08
SPEAKER_00: Morrow we don't know if they've ever met I doubt that they ever have prior to this this series but we know that Kersh has been listening to to Mr.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: Morrow's uh whisperings in slightly's ears all this time and I think that he found it interesting I think he found it like fascinating from a scientific point of view like what would happen so he almost treated that these these these children like a science experiment but he also treated this whole thing as if it were a trap for Mr.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: Morrow.
49:40
SPEAKER_00: He knew that Mr.
49:40
SPEAKER_00: Morrow was going to come to the island at some point and that was the greatest threat to Prodigy's control of whatever situation they have going on.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: So he brought Mr.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: Morrow to the island so that he could capture Mr.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: Morrow.
49:55
SPEAKER_00: I think that is his ultimate goal but something that I find is really interesting is he quotes Asimov's Laws of Robotics.
50:04
SPEAKER_00: I think it's the first law of robotics which is um I will not harm any human or by omission of action allow harm to come to a human.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: And throughout this we see that he doesn't consider the synth uh the the hybrids he doesn't consider them humans because he allows harm to befall the hybrids but it's interesting that when that guy Arthur goes into the the lab we can presume that the the synth Kersh knew that this was going to be bad for for this guy Arthur but he didn't he chose not to tell uh he chose not to tell cavalier in that moment when cavalier asked uh is everything alright he chose to omit any um anything from him so like he no longer was following the laws of robotics it's just a a really bizarre thing that I think I'm I'm I wanted like dig a little bit more into because I I I thought that that was such a weird uh thing for him to quote earlier in the series and then not follow up on.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: But it's also interesting that night none of the children seem to be programmed with that um the the laws of robotics which seems like a huge flaw it seems like a huge flaw that none of the children are bound by those laws because if they were nobody would be in any major trouble.
51:26
SPEAKER_00: Like I I just thought that was weird really weird.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: We're we're coming up on a little over an hour of recording do we have anything that we want to say before we uh give our final reviews I in fact do.
51:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh maybe the listeners of the show may not know this but um your wife is able to control Xenomorph.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah she has she has a really good like clicking noise it's very I wish we could get it on the show right now it is so distressing and honestly I love it.
51:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah she's she's very good at that I love Wendy right like I loved everything about her and I admire her desire to see the good in everyone right as a as a teacher that's kind of what I I gotta make sure I see one good thing in every kid right so I can make sure I I can connect and and and do my job but man uh I know and I know that xenomorph helps her out a number of times but every time it feels like parcel tongue.
52:29
SPEAKER_01: Right?
52:29
SPEAKER_01: It feels like when Harry's using parcel tongue you're like I don't think you should be doing that like it doesn't seem like a safe course of action.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: I wonder if the alien treats her like a mother you know like I don't know uh if well I guess she was present at its birth and there is that like there is that like not embrace but the the affection that was between them uh because of yeah so I think that exists there but uh yeah no it's a weird situation did we did we find that Wendy was too overpowered by the end of the series Anthony?
53:05
SPEAKER_02: She definitely had a lot of power because you saw that she could she she she was able to initially hack into stuff by like touch whereas like by the end she was able to like hack through hack into people wirelessly remember um buddy's right hand man we you know we end up finding out that he's a synth and she kind of like hacks him yeah yeah I I didn't like that scene because he's an object in motion and it would stay in motion even if you stop the programming you know like it would just kind of clatter to the ground it seemed almost like the force where like Kylo Ren would stop an object midair I didn't like that.
53:45
SPEAKER_00: I I feel like that need that that should have like been handled differently she should have just said stop and like he kind of like toppled over or something like that.
53:54
SPEAKER_00: That I would have preferred something like that.
53:56
SPEAKER_00: And I I I do think that she's probably a little too overpowered because she could be like in her cell in the center of this like complex and like an alien on the other side of the island would be able to hear her like but nice yeah uh it's just a it's a it's a weird you know thing.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: I I do like I do like that she's connected to the alien though I think that that's interesting sorry what what are you saying as you make that sound it reminds me of something that I usually see after I hear that sound and that's juice and and it kind of reminds me and hopefully everyone who's still listening to us right that that you know we we need you guys to go ahead and leave us a five star super juicy review I mean we have dedicated the last two months of our lives to this friend to the company I mean I think we deserve not just one share not two shares not three shares dot four shares but five juicy shares in your reviews I love it I love it yeah no I I I think I I agree with Rich here I think that you guys um would be remiss if you you neglected the opportunity for yourselves to give a uh juicy five star review to the podcast you know there was a lot of juice in this episode uh and specifically this this season of television because we didn't just have xenomorphs we had a number we had flies that ate computer parts we had um a upside down plant that just absorbed people and kind of like squashed them under its petals and most importantly of all we had the orchestrator of all evil um the eye he's just known as the eye and it's just like this sentient eye that uh becomes uh a parasite that inhabits living and dead bodies to do their will it's it's such a fascinating character.
55:57
SPEAKER_01: I wish I wish there's only one thing I wish why couldn't it talk?
56:01
SPEAKER_01: Like when it took over a human I wanted it so badly to speak and when it uh finally took over uh Arthur at the end right uh that I zombie I was pretty pretty jazzed up but there was that when it did take over that one older gentleman I I wanted it to be like you know bring I w the way it attacked the we've never seen this kind of con like it it was just using a human body to try to bite through to to to to bite through the the xenomorphs exoskeleton like it it was intense crazy it was so wild it was such a wild scene Anthony what are your thoughts on the eye I thought that the eye was low key kind of like an like an anti-hero yeah well yeah he was kind of like he was moving the plot along yeah what did you think what did you think when it was able to like do like the digits for pie oh yeah that that that was crazy and it it it definitely showed some high intelligence you could tell that the eye is it's definitely an enemy to the xenomorph like you can tell because like you you've seen it attack the xenomorph yeah you know uh as uh as something um I think it was messed up um what what they did to um to uh Isaac well I forgot what his uh lost boy name was I do too yeah tootle uh took I thought it was interesting that they had other alien life tootles yeah say that again Anthony I'm sorry I think that that's really cool that they had other alien eye life forms there too like where the focal point is definitely the xenomorph and like this eye creature but there's some other ones that like the ones that fed on only minerals like that was like a really sucky death for Isaac he got melted man yeah that eye dude causing trouble left and right oh man how did we like the resolution of everything where uh cavalier uh Kershmaro all these guys are locked up at the end of this and um Wendy and her gang of lost boys as well as two xenomorphs and Wendy's biological brother get to walk free what are what are our thoughts on the resolution there I will physically assault somebody if I do not get a second season I you guys have locked me in and now I'm so angry that the content is gone I need more I need uh I need to see uh man I I want to see Riley uh Ripley so badly like in the next season like just just the cameo just something just something just you just want some keys jangled in the right yeah like they're just watching like TV and then like freakier Friday comes on you know something just like a little bit of Ripley but I this just then season two is is is uh it's cancelled it's not coming out it's breaking news right now I'm reading it I'm sorry man we would need to make like fanfic movies about it like you know what Dakota I know you're a big fan of but let's just use like chat GPT to make the next season oh my god I would uh I don't my my issue is chat GPT and all these like things are good for uh breaking down information but in terms of narrative I've found that everything that like AI has been able to even with prompts you know like even if you're telling this like AI to now write about this now explain this now do this AI has a problem where it always feels hollow and it always feels like it's trying to please you and it doesn't ever try
1:00:00
SPEAKER_00: To um give you anything of substance.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_00: And it's that's that's my biggest.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_01: I don't know why you're talking about Force Awakens in that way, but um I I still think it gives me a lot of substance.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_00: I love Force Awakens.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_00: Um C in it for me.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_01: Um AI last question, Anthony.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_01: If AI wrote the next aliens project, would it be better than Alien Resurrection?
1:00:25
SPEAKER_02: Dude, I I I'm pretty sure that I could go to like a first grader and tell them to write me a story about aliens and it would come out way better.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_02: Like it just would.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_00: It it just one one thing that I I will say with Resurrection is that having read the novelization, I understand it a lot more in terms of like the character uh motives and everything.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_00: It does have a silly, silly, corny plot.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, but like the actual substance that I think was intended in the Joss Whedon script is a little bit more is a lot more substantial than what we received on the film.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, all right I think we are digressing.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_00: You guys are making me forget.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_02: You guys are making me I'm about to forget.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh, don't forget.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so so we're we're on the topic of alien resurrection.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_02: You know Winona Ryder's character was created by sense, right?
1:01:22
SPEAKER_02: I feel like this is the beginning of that.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_02: I feel like this, I feel like the these are the sense that really like take over.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_02: They're the human like minded sense.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like they're gonna be the ones that start off the sense making sense.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_00: I like it.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_00: I like the theory, and I'm gonna roll with the RAP um I mean RAP Ripley.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say that I put The Force Awakens just under Quantumania.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_00: I you know, I can't argue with that.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_00: I actually can't.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_00: Um it's it's just that good.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: Now uh I think we are gonna bring this podcast to a close as well as our discussion of the alien franchise.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_00: But but um, and and Rich, you might find this uh pleasing to hear.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_00: In about a month's time, there will be a Predator movie called Predator Bad Lands, which does incorporate Wayland Utani synthetics well into the future.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_00: So this is past resurrection.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_00: This is the latest on the alien timeline that we have yet visited.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, and supposedly it is Canada.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_00: So we shall see.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we'll do a podcast on it at some point.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_00: Maybe maybe we'll have to do a predator series.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, we haven't gotten there yet.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_00: Alright, uh last-minute review of Alien Earth season one.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_00: Rich, go ahead.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_01: I downloaded it as new content, I engaged with it, and although at first I was a little confused about the appearance of Aliens on Earth, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_01: I think that even if you've never seen any alien movie, it is a super fun watch, and I wholly recommend it.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_01: If only for the eye.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_00: If only for the eye.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_00: Anthony, what are your final thoughts on Alien Earth season one?
1:03:19
SPEAKER_02: I think it was really good, man.
1:03:20
SPEAKER_02: I I was like really blown away, and honestly, like it gave me kind of like Stranger Things vibes a little bit, which is funny because I know that Stranger Things get stuff from Alien, but still, like it was really good.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, fantastic show.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_00: Art imitates art.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_00: Imitates art.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I agree with you, Anthony.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_00: I I think and it's funny, you were texting us uh over the past couple days that you were watching the series and you're just like, wait, is this actually like really good?
1:03:50
SPEAKER_00: And uh you were kind of it looked like you were you were like actually surprised by like how well that this was produced and everything.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's a well-produced series.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_00: Um it's uh it's a nice addition to the alien canon, whether you consider it canon or not, or just a fun series.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_00: It's a good time, it's a really good time.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_00: And I I don't know if it breaks my top five MCU films.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_03: I personally don't know if this one does.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_00: But uh we'll we'll if I might have to come back and and like re-reorganize my list at a later at a later date.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh Rich, you and I are the only ones on the podcast for the next couple of weeks.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_00: Anthony will be away in the faraway land of LV42, Tennessee.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_00: And I gave you the option, or not, I didn't really give you the option, but I I offered the opportunity to watch the avatar movies.
1:04:47
SPEAKER_00: I know that we covered the Way of Water uh a couple years ago on the podcast, but you've never seen either Avatar movie.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_00: Would you be interested in doing an Avatar movie for the first week and a Way of Water uh recap uh episode for the second one?
1:05:02
SPEAKER_00: I am totally in.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_01: I would just need maybe a couple bottles of uh let's just say uh things procured in a abnormal fashion, sir.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh and Anthony, this is uh in reference to the fact that I'm working at a location where there is a warehouse full of liquor that was abandoned, and I picked up a couple cases of uh wine and other strange liqueurs.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_02: Like I thought he was wanting you to like you know bootleg alcohol.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_02: He wants you to make uh he wants you to make alcohol in the moonlight.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh I basically did.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_00: I bas while I was working, I grabbed like 10 cases of like white wine and rose and uh Tattoo Tony's Raspberry Iced Tea Hard Liqueur.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I know he's very excited.
1:05:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll give you a case or two.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_00: Um and you'll you'll get to see Ripley again if you if you decide to watch Avatar next time.
1:06:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm such a huge fan of Riley.
1:06:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm so looking forward to it.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, guys.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh I I did see her in a movie, The Gorge.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_00: You were you were saying that you were watching an Apple TV series called The Gorge.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_00: Or is it a movie?
1:06:14
SPEAKER_00: Is it a series?
1:06:15
SPEAKER_02: It's a movie.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_02: Um with Anya Taylor, Joy, and Miles Teller.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_00: There we go, guys.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_00: Thank you again for listening to us here for our 138th episode of Project Geekology.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_00: Again, please be sure to give us a juicy five star review if you haven't already.
1:06:30
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1:06:37
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1:06:39
SPEAKER_00: Juice juice the wall.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_00: I've finished computing.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_00: This is the end.