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For Azeroth!: "Stubbornly Shaman" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Someone someone will eat my head off if I don't say it.
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The follow up talents, the primordial wave for us.
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Either delete them because you clearly hate them or do
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something to them because no one is ever going.
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They're going to pass down for the Karen Tor for.
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Pandaria. For calendar to.
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The burning region for Gilneus or has not died for the Lich
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King for the. Sindori for the alliance.
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For the horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to a very
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special episode of For Azeroth. I am one of the hosts and the
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only host for this episode. My name is Manny, AKA the true
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villain Manny and I am sitting down with two masters of the
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elements. First up we have Hawk Hogan.
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Hawk, introduce yourself. Yeah, hi.
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Most people just usually just go by Hawk, right?
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Yeah, I mean, for me, right, like I started playing some time
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late Warlords, so still a baby to most people, but still
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playing for like, what's it eight years at this point?
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So yeah, I got pretty active in the element of Shaman or the
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Shaman discord and of Shrine, right?
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Helping people out of like questions that they had about
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the guides and stuff like that. And at some point I, when I
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actually wanted to get better at the game, I found Wow Analyzer
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started working on that to actually help myself get better,
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just find my own mistakes all the time.
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And yeah, from then on I somehow got into SIM craft, into the
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whole theory crafting thing, into the communities.
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And yeah, at some point took over the Wowhead guides.
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And yeah, that's basically it about me.
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That is amazing. And like it's great that we have
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you keeping the Earth Shrine going for Elemental Shaman.
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And then on the enhancement side, we have word up, Hello,
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word up. Introduce yourself.
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Hello, I'm a I'm more of a fossil.
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I've been around since Sunwell so and I've been playing almost
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exclusively enhancement since then, But I I double in a lot of
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classes. But yeah, I I am I picked up
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doing guides around the start of war odds, maybe the end of Mop
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because more is like a way to channel how if I could explain
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to other people, then I could understand it better myself
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basically. And then once I'd done one
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guide, it then ballooned into no one else is doing these.
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Can you pick up the wild head one and the IC vanes one.
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And then since I'd started, it kept rolling.
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And here we are now like 20 years later, still doing the
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same thing. And then we have Earth Shrine
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when we started that in 20/15/2016, and all the other
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resources that have trickled down through then.
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So SIM Craft and God knows what else that we've had our hands
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in. I do the enhancement stuff for
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that. So I'm that guy along with the
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other enhancement guys. Surgeon Russo when he's still
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playing. So for those of you who have not
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guessed the theme, I finally did it Guys this is my stubbornly
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Shaman episode of For Us Off. We are going to be going deep
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into the class just because Shaman has been in a very
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interesting place. I think we have had some of the
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specs be feeling a little bit of the pain in Dragonflight and
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though enhancement, I think has been living the dream for the
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last little bit. And then we got into the war
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within beta and suddenly everything seemed like it was
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flipped on its head, but very late into the into the beta.
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And that has created this very interesting situation where
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we're now going into 11 point 0.5 and we've got a lot of
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changes coming. So I need to sort of rewind a
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little bit and we got to talk about like how in the world we
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got here. So going to the elemental
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section, what has elemental been like?
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I mean going into dragon fight through dragon fight Hawk.
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Yeah, I mean, the with Dragonfly came the big talent tree revamp,
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right? So instead of just choosing like
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9 out of 27, it's like 61 out of 150 at this point it feels like,
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right? Which opened up builds, right?
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They're a lot more synergistic now than they ever were.
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And for us, that usually ended up with us putting all eggs in
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one basket, building the most synergistic builds that we
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could, which just drowned out rotations very quickly, right?
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And drank Clyde. We usually talked about fire
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builds or lightning builds, because either we just increase
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the availability of lava burst and generally lava spells,
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right? So much that we could only press
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that one button, or functionally just ignore filler spells
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completely. Or on the other hand, when the
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TS set demanded, we just got rid of lava burst almost entirely
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and only pressed lightning bolts, which was the other
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extreme. Still in season 1 there was
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still the best, where the tear set itself was pretty agnostic
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and didn't really offer any of those things, right.
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Availability of lava bursts or damage of lightning bolts.
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So we had options there. But ever since then, it was just
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back and forth between those two archetypes.
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Yeah, with the War Within, they we worked I guess the spec
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already trying to get rid of some of those issues, right.
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They reduce the availabilities of lava bursts and they reduce
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some of the compounding effects on lightning bolt that made it
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as strong and also removed some of the fixed duration effects,
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let's call it that. That just put the rotation very
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much in a very strict position for lightning builds.
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So they just got rid of some of the problem factors that we had.
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What that meant was that doing the beta a lot of the place that
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was pretty, pretty well thought out was flew afloat pretty well
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was just a lot of fun really. And then right before it
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launched, they did one or two changes that just made it so we
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are back to only pressing lightning bolts right now.
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So while it can be said that they fix a lot of structural
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issues with the specs during the first rework, right, going into
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the War within with just now in this position where it doesn't
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really where the numbers are very good, but it's not
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particularly fun to play my personal opinion, right?
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And yeah, that's where we're currently at and that's what
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they hopefully try to fix with the coming rework.
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But let's see. Yeah.
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And honestly, I think it was like 1 particular change that
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they did right at the end of beta that kind of tipped the
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balance for Farsi. But remind me, I believe that
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with the Stormbringer build, it was very much kind of already
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going that way earlier on in the beta.
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Was that is that correct? Do you mean do you mean storming
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or do you mean fast here? Because currently the best build
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for 8 is fast here, right? The problematic talent there is
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flash of yeah, flash of Lightning, which reduces the
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cooldown of all nature talents by I think it's one second every
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time you cast lightning bolts, right?
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And that means that every time you cast lightning bolts, you
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reduce, for example, the cool down of your storm elemental.
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The storm elemental itself gives you more lightning bolts where
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the cast time reduction so you cast more lightning bolt so you
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get more storm elementals which means and so on right?
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All of that was probably fine and wouldn't have drowned out
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the spec completely, but then they what they did was probably
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a good change and at least a flavour win.
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They changed primordial wave, the old shadow lens covenant
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ability to be elemental. Elemental is basically just a
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spell school that describes lava or fire nature and 1st at the
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same time, right? So when they did that, that also
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meant that flash of lightning now affected primordial wave.
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And that is basically the driving force behind Farcia,
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right? So all of the these different
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effects just interact with each other in a way that they just
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compound on top of each other. And they just made it basically.
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I mean, impossible is a is a is a bad word to say, right?
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But it made fire builds definitely worse in comparison.
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Switching it over to the enhancement side, how did
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enhancement feel because it also had two separate builds and like
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what's the the story so far for enhancement?
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Well, the the enhancement story's a really long one,
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right? Because Enhancement went through
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a lot of rework sort of back-to-back to back after,
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after what where it had, it had settled into this really
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complicated mesh of specs at the end of WOD.
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And then Legion, they super simplified it into Storm Strike,
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which everyone, well, some people liked, other people not
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so much, which I might be one of.
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And then that continued to be FA.
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And then in Shadow Lands, they pivoted further.
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So when they did Dragonflight, they had this giant melting pot
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of different ideas that they tried that they could all throw
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into the talentry and like see what worked.
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And it turned out when you give us access to all of these
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different competing effects and things, you can basically build
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2 specs out of it. And so we had two properly
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different builds that both functioned and they had their
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own play style with Storm. And frustratingly it's called
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Elementalist, which I'd like to change in the future, but that's
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what it's called for now because it describes what it does.
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And these two builds like 1 pitches all of the elements that
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we use and the other one is Storm, Strike, and lightning.
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And then when it comes to the war within, I personally would
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have preferred the hero talents to like pick one of these two
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build archetypes and go all in on it.
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But that's not what happened. Instead, the two hero talents
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tried to do both, and to to a degree, one of them works in
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that area of doing both. It's very, dare I say, a bit
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degenerate gameplay because it really pulls out a lot of the
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nuance of how things work and it boils it all down into A1
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singular focus, which is, to me personally, the antithetical to
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the way the spec has always operated.
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But it is strong, so obviously that means people like it,
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because when things are strong, that means it's good.
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So design issues put on the side.
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You then have the other hero talent, which is Totemic, which
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I, I don't want to speak for every class, but I think that
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enhancement sits as like maybe the one of the most
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polarizingly. One hero talent is amazing and
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the other hero talent is basically non existent.
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Because I despite the fact that I wrote guides for both hero
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talents as their own archetypes entirely, I have yet to have a
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single message from anyone ever since the like expansion launch
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about I want to play totemic. How do I do this or this Because
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aside from theming and so on, it's not fun because it doesn't
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mesh with anything. It's got this horrible clash of
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all of these ideas, but none of it flows.
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Whereas Storm Ringer, it at least tells you very simply, you
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have lots of maelstrom. Spend the Maelstrom on this a
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lot and that's it. Everything else doesn't matter
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and it works. It's problem ultimately is like
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when you have that much synergy on a spec that's got a lot of
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things that already have a lot of synergy together compounding.
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It gets so strong that you need to do emergency nerves because
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before the raid tear released and the season launched, the
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spec was I I didn't realise how not strong or the specs were.
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It would have released to be so oppressively strong that despite
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the fact that it did really well in the raid, it would have been
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overbearing. You'd have seen like 5 or 6 of
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them maybe, which goes to show how dangerous leaning too hard
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into synergy is for them. They need to maybe pick apart
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individual bits that they care more about.
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And then continuing on that, we're also seeing some
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adjustments for Stormbringer, kind of reining it in a bit,
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kind of making the gameplay a little bit like more controlled,
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but also a little bit weaker. Can you tell us a little bit
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about that? So the Stormbringer changes for
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us specifically the, I think the intended goal, from what I can
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glean from it is that they want to slow down the rate that you
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get Tempest because right now, like relative to elemental, we
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get Tempest really fast. Like you get, maybe I, I, I
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mean, I can look at logs and I'll see that you have like 6/6
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plus Tempest a minute minimum, if not more.
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And Tempest hits really hard as as even elementals.
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It's a it's a big button, does a lot of damage, looks really
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cool. But for us it also spawns
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wolves, which is ultimately like the core problem in why it
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overloads into being as strong as it is, because that's
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multiplicative. So the more that you get in a
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condensed window, the harder everything hits, which is why if
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you ever see like an enhancement and elemental player play
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together who haven't played the other one before, one also
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suddenly asked the question, why does my lightning bolt and
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Tempest hit for 2 million while yours hits for 20 million?
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And that'll just be it's only the effect of the amount of
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wolves that come. So if you slow that down, that's
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starts to get rained in a little bit.
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And there is a lot of slow down coming between nerfing
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supercharge and basically removing storm swell from us.
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And they're instead, I think trying to reorient that value
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into after you do a Tempest, you get a bit more follow up damage
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with arc discharge reworks. And so the individual impact of
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each Tempest is a bit higher, but they'll be a bit more spaced
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out. I think it is their hope.
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Whether that plays out with the other talent changes is a
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different question, but I think that's their goal.
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You spoke about like how like an elemental will come in and be
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looking looking at Tempest and not be as happy with it.
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Hawk, you were just saying that like, hey, Farseer's just been
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the one ahead. How did that balance kind of
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work out? Like what's holding Tempest as
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rather not Tempest but Stormbringer back for elemental?
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Yeah, so for us, hero talents were a bit weird to begin with,
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right? Like First things first, right?
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Like as I said, Farseer for rating was pretty much a lock in
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from the start ish right? It just does significantly more
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single target damage for AOE the fastest.
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The the ancestors themselves don't really do a lot.
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So recommending that formific plus was always a bit of a an
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uncomfortable decision that we made.
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We just argued, hey, boss damage is very important, especially if
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you're pugging, if you're playing with like on the casual
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level quote UN quote right, that it Warren still just playing
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fast here in most cases. The problem there became that
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farseers are bucked in a few different ways that they just
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like pulling stuff. They just throw chain lightnings
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and elemental bars everywhere. So in specific keys, siege is
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one of them. It's very, very hard to play
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just because you have to position your pets in a way that
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they don't just pull the whole dungeon.
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And generally, as it turned out, over the season or over the
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first few months, I guess, especially if you're playing at
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a higher level where you're pulling bigger and pulling more
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Mop, Storm Bringer is pretty competent just because it offers
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a lot more AOE damage. The point that word I've made
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specifically about Tempest not really doing anything for us has
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a lot to do with Tempest not interacting with any part of our
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kit, right? For us, it's a button you press,
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it does damage, does AOE damage. Nice.
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OK for them. Maostrom weapon for example
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buffsted by more than 100% would have can probably correct me on
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the number if he wants to. It's about 250.
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Yeah, Oh. There about.
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So it's, it's, it's an, it's a noticeable difference, right?
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What they did with the Wework, the one that we get in the .5
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patch that's coming up is that they allow it Tempest to also
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overload from search of power and from Power of the Maelstrom.
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That means that every time you press The Tempest, you basically
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get 0.7 tempests for free. On top of that, if you time it
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correctly, if you manage your mouse jump properly and that is
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pretty competent, that just does a lot of damage.
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And they also changed it so that the arc discharge that we get,
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which is different to theirs, also works in single targeted
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AOE. So they made it so Stormbringer
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or yeah the Stormbringer tree itself works better for Mific
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Plus because it does post damage as well as AOE damage and they
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also added a lot of mechanics that interact with it, right?
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The next change that they did is very big rework of the
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ascendance cooldown, right? Previously you pressed the
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button, you threw out a lava burst on every flame shock
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target, and then you reduce the cooldown on lava burst to 0.
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So you set there for 15 seconds or however many depending on
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your talent choices and if you got any procs and just pressed 1
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button. That was not particularly fun
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for most people. So they decided to actually
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rework that. What it does now is it gives you
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one additional overload on any overloadable spell and also
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buffs the strength of the overloads that they reduced in
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the previous rework to 35% by 150%.
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So it's 82.5% or whatever it is now.
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Which basically just makes it a very strong button to press to
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begin with, but also means that for something like Tempest, when
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you get your power of the Maelstrom, when you get your
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Supercharge, when you get your search of power, you're now
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throwing out five tempests at the same time in numerical
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value. And all of those do AOE and all
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of those do a lot of damage to begin with.
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And all of those also funnelled into your lightning rods, which
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they're also buffed by a new talent.
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It's it's a lot, right? So generally the storm ring is a
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lot better now and it's so much better to the point where also
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eclipses Farse here for the rate build now, right?
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It's a lot harder to play just because of the interaction that
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I mentioned, right? You have to sync up random procs
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that are timer based with random procs that are resource based
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with random procs that are RPPM based, and all of that with
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different spender events. So it's not trivial by any
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means, and it's especially drastic of a change considering
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what we're currently doing with RCR, just pressing 1 button the
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whole time basically. But yeah, so it's going to be a
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very big change. Stormbringers currently
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eclipsing everything. They probably need to do
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something about Fast Year to actually address that.
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And yeah. I mean, with all of those like
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line UPS, you're almost aligning planets there to get to get to
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some of those, but that's got to cause some amazing threat
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issues. I'd I'd be worried about that
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popping off at the beginning of a a pool.
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Yeah, I mean, there's there's currently a GIF or something
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going around right, of some guy standing in front of four target
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dummies and pulling 20 million AOEDPS.
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I'm not entirely sure. Yeah, I mean, the warrior can
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probably press commanding shout once, but after that.
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But what are you doing right? Also, especially because they
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change deeply rooted elements, the random ascendance proc to
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happen on spenders now. So it's feasible or it's very
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possible that even if you try to intentionally, intentionally
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delay the button, right, intentionally delay the
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cooldown, you just put down your first earthquake, you proc the
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thing and there you go. Like everything starts flying
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and every nameplate just turns red.
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And yeah, I don't know if you just have your pocket
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augmentation with the that reduction talent with you now.
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It's going to be interesting. We're going to get use of our
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reincarnation at this rate, pretty much.
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There is. There is one thing that is true
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for both elemental and for enhancement and that is the
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ascendance change that you just mentioned.
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Ascendance is being changed to go off of spenders for both
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enhancement and and elemental and I believe that it doesn't
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care how much maelstrom or maelstrom weapon you spend, it's
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just that you spent it. Both of you have mentioned that
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this could cause issues. Word up.
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You want to just tell us like what, what's going on there?
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So it, it, it causes a lot of problems for us and there's,
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there's quite a few like little bugs in there with the way that
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it works because it's changed twice for us because initially
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it was going off the hit from the spell.
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So things like chain lightning, we're getting three to five
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instances to potentially pocket Primordial wave is getting 2
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instances in single target and set 6-7 instances in AOE and so
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on. And that's pretty bad because
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that means you get into a sentence a lot in AOE.
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So they they pulled that back and it was on cast and in a way
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that fixes that problem. It stops it working with the
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ride the lightning, the PvP talent, which is great.
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Well for balance is great for people who want to kill people
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in PvP. It's not.
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But when you change it to on cast, that doesn't fix the
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problem of Primordial wave technically does cast it 7
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times. So it still gets seven chances
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to roll on deeply rooted elements and arc discharge still
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technically casts a second cast of the same spell.
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So that gets 2 after every Tempest.
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And so you still are basically shirking the idea of they've
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they've put a limiter on Dre to be I think it's 8 fast failures,
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but you can't proc it again after you go into ascendance
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with Dre. And then it's 2%, four percent,
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6% over and over and over again until it absolutely procs.
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So the obvious stated goal when you put 88 force failures on is
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you do not get back into a sentence until a sentence is
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over and that's it. Like that's a very hard line
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that they've made clear because it lasts for 8 seconds.
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There's virtually no universe where you're going to get 8
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back-to-back spenders technically.
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But when you start getting hidden extra casts from Arc
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Discharge and Primordial Wave and so on, theoretically with a
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lot of luck you could get back into it.
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And so it doesn't really make a lot of sense in my head as to
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why you try and reinvent the wheel of we'll do it on cast or
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hit or this. So that when we had the gloves
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in Legion, they worked fine. They went off.
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How much Maelstrom you spent was how it calculated the proc
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chance. We could just use that method
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and then also remove the problem of because we've got a talent
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called Overflowing Maelstrom, which let's suspend up to 10
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instead of five at once. When you're going off just
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casting the spell and you've got a talent, that could potentially
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mean you can only ever spend 5. So you can just spend a lot of
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lower damaged ones to keep trying to get into it.
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Potentially you can just get to the point where you don't play
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that anymore and you become incredibly global locked.
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You have a lot of resource waste because you can't spend it all
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just so you can guarantee I can spam spenders over and over and
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over again. And that's, at least to me, very
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counter intuitive with the amount of buttons that
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enhancement has to begin with. And it will guaranteeably lead
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to being SAT resource capped, not able to get rid of it.
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And if there's one thing that I've learned over the years is
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that players cannot reckon with the idea that they're just
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burning resources off, it's that they don't like it.
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Whether it's numerically good or not, they don't like it.
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And if it's even a potential problem, they have to fix that
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or else they get a lot of angry feedback.
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Obviously that's going. To be a completely weird
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situation where you're going to be like, don't take this talent
25:29
it's a trap You actually do want to only spend spend 5 even
25:33
though each one is weaker. So I can understand that it also
25:37
like I don't like trap talent. I don't like devaluing talent.
25:40
So I, I, I dislike that in terms of.
25:46
What? What Elemental is doing with
25:49
this now that it's on on Spenders?
25:52
How's it going for you guys, Hawk?
25:54
Yeah, I mean. It's probably a change made for
25:58
us, let's be real here, right? The issue is basically that
26:02
historically we had a thing build type that started in I
26:07
think Sheridan Season 4 that we called Fire AOE or yeah,
26:12
Wildfire or whatever the current name of it was, where we just
26:17
started only pressing lava bursts in AOE, pressing single
26:23
target spells in AUE to fish for some AUE proc which doesn't
26:29
really do anything, and just completely ignoring your AUE
26:31
generator for a lot of it. It's just boring in my opinion.
26:35
It's not too good design. So what they did with the
26:37
previous rework was they changed a lot of our flame shock procs
26:42
to scale in a way that it doesn't matter how many targets
26:45
they're on, right? So for lava search for example,
26:49
it doesn't matter if it's on one target or if it's on 6, it will
26:52
roughly need 9 ticks. I think it is per target for it
26:57
to proc on average. Once Right after they changed
27:02
that, deeply rooted elements and AOE was basically dead because
27:07
we just did not get the lava search box.
27:09
We just did not have the lava list available to get any use
27:12
out of it, and generally having deeply rooted elements broke on
27:18
spenders just so it works better on AOE if you're normal.
27:22
Normally generating with chain lightning was a thing that had
27:25
been asked previously just so we could get rid of the whole just
27:29
let's just spam Lava Burst the whole time.
27:33
The issues that we have with it right now is firstly also the
27:37
thing we'll have mentioned, right?
27:39
SIM Craft or internally, we call it background casts, right?
27:43
Any casts that are not actually cast but still just happen.
27:46
We have one of those that's called Fusion of Elements, which
27:48
is just generating an elemental blast that gets thrown, which
27:51
also has a chance for us to proc deeply rooted elements.
27:54
Right now, I think this improves the talent by upwards of 50%,
28:03
certainly right currently on the PTR doing testing.
28:08
And if we ignore that right, if we pretend that this bug didn't
28:11
exist, then we get like 1 proc of the talent in like 3 minutes
28:16
at most, which it's still the best talent to take right?
28:23
So we are we're going to play it anyway.
28:24
But if you think they're like, hey, in this fight, will I get
28:27
one proc or two kind of boring. It's even though Ascendance is
28:32
strong enough to still support their talent and take it.
28:35
Not the best thing to do. And also another thing what I
28:39
mentioned, right, like it doesn't matter how much
28:41
maelstrom you spend a car, so how much resources you put into
28:44
that. We have two different spenders.
28:46
We have one that costs 55 and one that costs 80 if I have my
28:51
numbers right, and that just means that the higher cost
28:55
spender is automatically worse just because we'd get a lot less
28:59
tries on trying to poke the thing, right?
29:02
So while I like the change itself, it's not really balanced
29:07
for us right now, which coincides with Ascendance itself
29:10
being pretty strong, right? Especially in AOE, if they
29:13
increase the proc trans on it significantly, then they would
29:16
probably get it out of hand really quickly.
29:18
So those two would probably need to get head in hand in hand in
29:21
some way. I think I.
29:22
I just have to be clear as well with ours, it is a really,
29:25
really positive thing to change it to spenders.
29:28
If that wasn't clear, having it on Storm Strike was.
29:32
I know people like Legion. Having it on Storm Strike is
29:36
absolutely horrendous to me. There's no there's no other word
29:38
that I can use for it. It is.
29:41
People need to get out of their head.
29:42
Storm Strike is not a good button.
29:43
It looks cool, but it is a bad button right now and it does
29:47
nothing in AOE. So it was incredibly bad
29:51
designed to have it attached to that.
29:53
And it was horrible to be like so global to fish over and over
29:56
again. The infamous earth shrine ping
29:59
pin of just storm strike no matter what, doesn't matter what
30:03
else you have is not healthy. And moving into spenders is
30:06
really good, but where it's currently tuned is not.
30:09
And the way that it's designed really needs like a second pass
30:12
on effectively being a little more complicated for a lot more
30:17
player. Return if if I may.
30:19
What's your take on just removing the thing all together?
30:22
I hate the. Talent personally, yeah, I I
30:25
didn't I didn't like the gloves because I don't like wear RNG at
30:29
the best of times and the gloves and the RE have always been like
30:35
this extra X Factor of Oh my God, this is so much RNG.
30:40
I, I can't even like explain to someone sometimes your, your,
30:46
your damage is just going to be bad and there's nothing you can
30:48
do about it. It's not your fault.
30:50
Just go next. And a talent like that is really
30:52
unpleasant because while I. Am a gambling addict and I'm a
30:55
very big fan of RNG and stuff like that.
30:58
It's one of the reasons that I picked the class to begin with
31:00
during Legion, just because of the slot machine.
31:03
It's not healthy in the long run in a lot of cases, right?
31:06
And especially if the current way that while I was
31:09
progressing, or at least I think both of our specs are
31:11
progressing, is that there are a lot of different mechanics that
31:14
you have to time with each other, a lot of different RNG
31:16
factors. Anyway, this on top of it is
31:18
just pointless, right? There is enough RNG anyway.
31:23
I I think the. The way that our spec eventually
31:25
pivoted around the tail end of Legion and BFA and it's always
31:31
it it ran through after they reworked it too, is that there's
31:35
a lot of like sliders of basically you're hedging against
31:38
the worst outcome whenever you pick what button you press.
31:41
So while theoretically it might be the best to press this button
31:45
right now, if you press it right now, three globals later, you've
31:49
now not got anything to press and all of the pay off that you
31:52
sort of cashed out then is coming back to bite you now.
31:55
So you have to sort of sometimes make the quote UN quote wrong
31:59
decision right now so that you have a better decision in a few
32:02
seconds. But when you add Dre into the
32:05
mix in that you basically remove that lever of being able to
32:09
control at least at least try and influence the the needle and
32:14
instead you have to just go all out.
32:17
I will make the worst decision over and over and over again so
32:21
that I can get the best outcome eventually.
32:23
And fingers crossed it's really good.
32:25
And if it's not, well, then that's a shame.
32:29
We'll try again. And I don't, I, I, I personally
32:34
don't like that much control being removed from me, even
32:37
though it can have some funny logs.
32:40
But yeah, it's it's a polarising effect and the removing reducing
32:47
ascendance to two minutes does a lot for me anyway, because it
32:49
means that technically, unless they massively overtune it, I
32:51
can ignore it and just play regular ascendance and have a
32:54
call call down. I loved the casino build back in
32:58
Legion for elemental. It was just like hey do I do I
33:02
get my money back, let's roll again.
33:05
I conversely hated Legion enhancement because it was just
33:11
fishing for Stormbringer procs to go back into that same
33:15
change, which seems very weird but here I am.
33:19
I do think that fishing is is an issue that kind of feels like
33:24
they constantly want us to be in there as as shaman and Farsi
33:29
year is now becoming like the lesser child if you will of the
33:34
of the hero talents. What do we need in Farsi year to
33:37
bring that up? Hawk, I mean.
33:39
What they did to begin with right now were good choices,
33:43
right? Like the one thing that they did
33:45
is I think the town's called routine communication.
33:47
There was an 8% chance on lava burst to proc an ancestor,
33:52
right? With the way that the rotation
33:54
is currently progressing and the way the spec is developing, they
33:57
just made it so it prox on basically anything.
33:59
I think it's on lava burst, lightning ball, ice tree, and
34:01
frost truck or something. So that's a good thing to begin
34:05
with, right? The problem is for signature
34:10
it's probably just balancing right?
34:11
Like just us I think. I mean, numbers right now are
34:16
still very much up in the air because SIM craft is not
34:19
entirely done, we're just working on stuff.
34:21
But I think it's 5% behind for a significantly easier rotation,
34:24
which is probably fine. Could be a bit closer, but yeah,
34:28
fair enough for AUE. The problem is that the fascia
34:33
can only cast non elemental chain lightning, if that makes
34:37
sense. Like chain lightning by default
34:40
hits three targets and elementals specifically gets a
34:43
passive on top of that that it hits five.
34:46
So the farseer only hit 3 targets with the chain lightning
34:50
and that can't overload. And I don't think the extra
34:56
quick modifiers are on that, but I'm not entirely sure on that
34:59
one. But yeah, just a lot of our spec
35:02
interactions, a lot of our spec effects are not on the pets
35:05
itself, which that's just how the game works in all of cases.
35:09
But that just means that anytime we actually start to go into
35:13
AOE, the Farsi does damage to three targets.
35:15
Doesn't matter if they're six, if they're 20, if they're 25,
35:18
whatever. I mean, I understand that
35:20
Blizzard very much likes target capping spells in a lot of
35:25
cases, right? But 3 is probably a bit low on
35:28
the one end. And just generally this, the
35:31
chain lightning on that is just too weak.
35:33
How they fix that in practice if they're just going to make that
35:37
also able to overload or hit 5 targets on and how that works
35:41
numerically? Good question.
35:42
I'm not entirely sure, but yes, something probably should be
35:47
done and they also need to fix the targeting on that because
35:49
that's just ridiculous it seems. Like Blizzard is very stuck on
35:55
target capping shaman in particular.
35:58
We've seen Tempest itself get rained in when initially when we
36:04
went live that went rightfully so.
36:06
Yeah. Probably in.
36:08
In fairness, that one, that one was kind of justified, like,
36:12
yeah, yeah. There there is.
36:14
Some nerves that that feel bad when you read them, but you can
36:18
kind of go, yeah, yeah, I understand why you're going to
36:21
do that. And that was probably one of
36:24
them because we and that might be enhancements fault, but it
36:28
did a lot of damage, but like. When you look at what Shaman has
36:35
for like actually reaching reaching those large numbers,
36:38
it's sort of like the soft cap on Earthquake or Sunder and
36:44
flipping it over to enhancement. I have just seen how many things
36:51
have been hard capped in Totemic, where it is now being
36:58
completely revamped. But the biggest AOE we had was
37:02
the totem and lively and lively totems, which had a hard cap of
37:07
five. So what's going on with Totemic
37:10
that's getting the biggest revamp of anything for Shaman
37:12
right now? The totemics rework is really,
37:18
really big. It's they basically it's not the
37:20
same tree anymore. Like the the I mean the biggest
37:24
1 immediately is like totemic rebound.
37:26
Going from storm strike to spenders is a massive, like far
37:31
more like wider implications than almost anything else on the
37:34
tree. Because it's problem is always
37:36
you've got to tell them that there's lava lush stuff and the
37:37
talent, the storm strike stuff. They don't interact like they
37:40
they clash immediately. So those two talents existing
37:43
and being strong means the tree will never work.
37:46
So putting on the spenders instead, That's really good.
37:50
Though the problem is those bolts that it shoots out hit
37:53
really hard and they scale with how the totem is currently
37:57
scaling up so it rolls over into itself.
38:01
That's the exact same problem as Dre.
38:03
It doesn't care how much miles from you spend on those bolts,
38:06
it'll always fire 1. So if you've got Dre that's
38:10
saying spend it as low as possible and you've got rebound,
38:13
that's saying it'll proc and it'll do it's damage, you don't
38:16
take overflowing. And then that means the tree is
38:19
already very global locked to begin with.
38:22
It is now even more so because you are constantly riding 10
38:25
maelstrom and you can't get rid of it.
38:29
And then the sundering incorporation in there is very
38:34
cool. I think sundering could maybe do
38:37
with a little spray paint on there to make it look a little
38:40
less like it does. But it's it's a cool it's a it's
38:46
a cool effect. It's really cool to press
38:48
lavalash and sundering shootout and you do it a lot because you
38:51
have hot hand up a lot, especially with the new
38:54
capstone. But sundering as a button,
38:59
especially for the fact that it's got to cool down as long as
39:01
it is the actual base spell is pretty pretty terrible.
39:07
It's doesn't do good damage. It's like cool thing was the
39:11
knockback knockdown, so extra CC in the dungeon.
39:14
Everyone thinks that's awesome. That's removed from basically
39:16
all of the extra access to sundering in the in the new
39:19
tree. So you're hinging the trees AOE
39:24
off a button that already kind of wasn't very good, was being
39:28
dropped by a lot of builds and was just taken as a throwaway
39:30
point. And then you're suppressing it
39:33
further with the extra procs, which rightfully you're procking
39:36
a lot of them, but cutting it down to 30% is a huge downgrade
39:40
to an already weak spell. And then you're latching on a
39:45
lot of the payoff to earth surge, which is the you press
39:50
you manually cast on drinks. It doesn't work from the ones
39:53
that come from the lava lashes with reactivity and the totem
39:58
then pulses really hard and the totem already hits pretty hard.
40:04
And then they add a new talent to thundering, which is that it
40:06
can proc to reset, which again we have a lot of RNG.
40:12
This one is the most offensive RNG on every tree because that
40:19
hits really, really hard. OK, so to get it out of the way
40:22
that that'll that'll proc for like 5 million damage if it
40:25
crits, which is a lot in AOE. And that reset is a chance of a
40:31
chance. So your chance to get storm
40:33
surge or formerly Stormbringer is baseline like 8-9 percent.
40:38
And the chance for the sundering reset to happen is 8 to 9% again
40:44
on whenever it goes off. So it's 9% of 9%.
40:47
So it's super, super rare, but when it happens, that means you
40:50
just propped 5 million damage for free.
40:54
And then you add in over surge from there, which is that when
40:58
you're in ascendance, the totem does 150% more damage, which
41:01
includes those pulses. So if you proc a sundering reset
41:07
as you've proc the deeply rooted elements, you now get 2
41:09
back-to-back sunderings that deal 10 million damage instead.
41:13
And the chance of that happening is very low, but the payoff is
41:20
ludicrously strong and you have 0 control over all of it
41:25
entirely. And then the other other really
41:32
big talent problem is Flowing Spirits, which is the whenever
41:37
you press a button, you might spawn a dog.
41:40
And it's based on the element of the spell that you cast.
41:42
So if you don't take elemental spirits, it'll be stone trike
41:47
and Wind fury can proc physical wolves and that's it.
41:50
That's your only way of getting it.
41:52
And so right now the way that that is tuned is that you it's
41:58
based it's a flat percent chance.
41:59
I think it's 10% on any instance of any of those spells.
42:03
You press storm strike a lot, you prog wind fury a lot and
42:07
you'll spawn a lot of multiplicative dogs.
42:10
I think my record right now is 24 up at once, which which is
42:15
not helped by the set bonus where it also always spawns an
42:18
extra 1, so you're getting 2 instead of 1.
42:21
And for some reason it's not suppressed on the physical ones,
42:25
so they last for 15 seconds, not 8.
42:28
And 24 dogs is around about a 2900% multiplier on physical
42:34
damage. So now Star Trek hits really
42:36
hard and you guessed it, the storm, the sundering procs on
42:39
the totem hit really, really hard.
42:42
So I think that'll that crits for around a little shy of 30
42:46
million out of nowhere. And we're looking at logs of
42:51
playing through it. And when this does happen very
42:55
rarely, you will suddenly see the log be very low and flat
42:59
line and a nice like happy one, 1.2 million.
43:03
And then suddenly it'll spike up in the middle of nowhere to like
43:05
20 million. And then it'll go back down and
43:07
you'll never see it again. And that is horrendously RNG
43:12
really. But you can't plan around it,
43:15
that needs to be super ultra fixed before this goes live
43:19
because it will get the spec nerfed because it will be
43:22
terrifying to see in practice. I don't even know what to say I
43:26
wanted to jump into the PTR and just like delete something in
43:31
BRD yeah, that definitely that definitely needs to be nerfed.
43:35
I I would have to say that the 15 seconds instead of eight, it
43:40
just seems it's got to be a bug, right?
43:42
There's no way that's Oh yeah. The the I think when they've put
43:47
it in because they've attached it to spells that proc the
43:51
element. So they've gone, you know, frost
43:54
shock, ice strike is frost wolf and so on down the chain.
43:59
They've put it in for elemental spirits and they've sort of
44:02
forgot that the non elemental spirit ones are going to work.
44:05
And then they've just sort of tagged the spell on and they've
44:08
not flagged it to be the reduced 1.
44:10
And so that one's the one that's abusable because they, for
44:15
whatever reason, there's a lot of different spell IDs going on
44:18
and service scripts with wolves to begin with.
44:21
And one of them hasn't been caught up in that because I mean
44:24
the the other bug, you might remember Once Upon a time, if
44:28
you happen to have the spirit Raptors glyph, which changes
44:32
your dogs into Raptors. This has happened once before.
44:36
If you have that glyph, then it doesn't have the scripts because
44:42
it's not flagged. So the so that'll just spawn any
44:46
type of dog at all or any type of Raptor in this case, without
44:50
any careful what elements propped it because who knows,
44:53
but the glyph just changes it. So it's no longer a cosmetic
44:58
glyph. It's a performance glyph.
45:02
So I think there's been a lot of there.
45:05
It's just spaghetti in there that is all messed up.
45:09
And that talent needs, well, it needs God right now before it
45:14
goes live. But it is a scary one.
45:17
And the the worst part of it is that talent is one that I think
45:23
the spec really, really needs because you have to cast Feral
45:28
Spirit a lot and it's not a fun button to press.
45:31
It's really cool to have loads of dogs, but it's not cool to
45:33
press it because it doesn't do anything when you press it.
45:36
So if you have a way to just proc them, that feels a lot
45:39
better as an alternative. But as it is right now, it's not
45:45
in a healthy spot to sort of release to the public is my
45:50
concern. And Totemic's the one that
45:51
abuses it the most because the other stuff in Totemic, it's
45:56
like a big thumbs up. The capstone rework is
45:58
fantastic. That's so much better.
46:01
The improvement to the imbuement 1 is really good.
46:04
The wind fury, flame tongue interaction and sort of the the
46:09
broad scope of pulling it away from caring about storm strike
46:12
and Lava lash in opposition and more like spenders procs.
46:17
These are the things that matter for Totemic and keep the tongue
46:20
down. It'll never fix the problem of
46:23
having to babysit the tone until they fix the like how it
46:27
targets, but I I it's a big, big improvement.
46:30
It just needs a little bit of extra work.
46:32
So then. Without the bug, the bugs or
46:36
this like out outlier is are we going to see Ashley Totemic
46:41
being in a good spot? So if you remove the bugs and
46:47
play it as is, it is slightly better than it is on live in
46:54
terms of numbers. So it's it's numbers aren't good
46:56
right now. They they've significantly
47:00
nerfed the proc rate on lively totems.
47:02
So you don't get many searing totems out and just the tuning
47:08
points of a lot of things, especially sundering, which is
47:09
supposed to carry a lot of weight for this is basically not
47:14
because it just doesn't do enough damage and it doesn't
47:17
proc wind fury despite being a main hand attack because it's a
47:19
proc. There's a whatever the intention
47:22
is, it doesn't do that and it's relying on the totem a lot.
47:27
So it's a lot of pick all the talents above the totem and some
47:30
of those talents just still don't work that well together
47:33
because that's the only way you sort of extract damage out of
47:36
the tree. And that could very easily fix
47:41
be fixed by just changing some of the numbers around to weight
47:44
it away from the totem and more into what you do with the totem.
47:49
And I think they can do that. They're sort of running out of
47:51
time, which puts me in a bit of an alarming position because I
47:55
don't super want to write about like guide updates of ignore
47:59
everything and just full send buff the totem and hope that you
48:02
proc really well. But should those numbers be
48:07
fixed and these horrendous bugs reined in, I'd say that like in
48:11
single target, you've got a pretty reasonable chance that it
48:16
will just about maybe break even with your average storm bringer
48:23
pass. But where it stands right now,
48:26
it will still just be like out. It's just much more likely that
48:30
they can fix it at some point if they care to then before, before
48:35
it wasn't fixable, it was sort of a lost cause.
48:38
So I think they've done a good job, just not all of the job
48:42
that they needed to do. OK.
48:45
I feel like the biggest fear that I have with that is that so
48:48
much of it is like this guardian pet damage, not what I got into
48:52
shaman for, but unfortunately going over to elemental, I feel
48:57
like so much of it is elemental damage.
49:02
Hawk, please tell me what does it look like for Pharcy for
49:06
elemental? How are they sitting and do I
49:08
still need to have elemental as like my core part of my damage?
49:14
I mean, as I said earlier, right, like Farsio currently is
49:17
functionally non viable and if if you're trying to be optimal
49:21
about it, right, like Farsio will be 5% behind the single
49:24
target and just completely out and AOE more or less, right?
49:29
I think, I think the damage itself that the Farsias do
49:35
currently on life, it's about 30% plus or something, and it
49:38
goes down to like 20% plus just because the way that the Farsi
49:43
years work right is that every time you cast a spell, they do a
49:46
flat amount of damage. Basically they throw a lava
49:48
burst that's always a quit. So that's basically constant
49:53
number. And with the high uptime that we
49:56
have on Storm Ali, we can just get a lot of lightning bolts
50:00
into that window and they do a lot of damage with Storm
50:04
elemental. First of all, it's being changed
50:07
to give haste now instead of car speed reduction and
50:10
significantly less haze than it did car speed reduction because
50:13
also it affects all spells now, right?
50:17
It just means that we can fit a lot.
50:19
And also the up time is we do significantly just because we
50:24
lose flash of lightning, right? So the faster the ancestors
50:29
themselves, we'll just do a lot less damage overall.
50:34
The bigger issue here that I'm seeing with the removal of Flash
50:38
of Lightning specifically is defensive because currently what
50:42
Flash of Lightning does is it reduces every nature spell,
50:45
right? This doesn't mean every
50:47
offensive nature spell. That means every nature spell
50:49
including wind shear, which is the interrupt, right?
50:52
Which also includes Astro Shift, which is the defensive, which
50:54
also it just reduces everything. We have 5 or 6 second cooldown
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on the kick. We can basically mitigate
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everything at this point. Or that's kind of what it feels
51:06
like. And they will remove that,
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right? So suddenly every single
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defensive coolant basically goes up by 100%, right?
51:14
It just double S again. That's at least the feeling that
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the player base will have when they go to the next patch.
51:21
I'm not sure how drastically necessary it is to address this.
51:28
I know that most people that I talk to that are rating very
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high level rates are doing queen proc and stuff think they should
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probably still be fine. Enhancement, for example, has
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the full cool down duration on those defensives anyway, and
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they seem to be mostly fine, I think.
51:48
So it's probably a workable situation, right?
51:51
But just having some kind of compensation for the amount that
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we're losing would probably be a nice gesture, right?
51:58
In the Wild article that came out yesterday from recording
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right, I mentioned that it would be an option to reduce the
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cooldown on the Stoneskin totem or Stone Bull Walk totem, I
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think to two minutes, Which first of all just means we have
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it more often, right? And also means that we can to
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tamic recall it and get some more value out of that.
52:21
It wouldn't be a big thing. The totem itself is numerically
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pretty bad in my opinion, so probably wouldn't break the spec
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or anything, but would probably just be a welcome change in that
52:32
direction. How they are going to, I mean,
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how they're going to compensate for the utility.
52:37
They probably just don't need to.
52:39
It was ridiculous, especially with how they changed interrupts
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to work. Having actual interrupts is a
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lot more valuable this season or this expansion that was
52:47
previously right. And being able to basically just
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solo kick a pack if necessary, just completely uncoordinate,
52:55
just go in there. I just kick everything that's
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necessary. Don't worry, was probably a bit
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much anyway, right? So yeah, it's it's still a very
53:05
hard loss, but we will probably manage.
53:10
But yeah, in terms of box that we have, right, like the fusion
53:15
thing, that prox DIE we mentioned earlier.
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And then we have a lot of things where the numbers just kind of
53:21
don't work in AOE because of the way that they redid the mastery
53:26
with the previous rework. They just shuffled some parts of
53:30
their internal spell data won't. But that just means that
53:36
earthquakes currently are doing 100 or earthquake overloads
53:39
currently are just doing 100% too much damage on PTR.
53:43
And I think during a sentence they are fine, but it's very
53:49
hard to say because there's like 3 different bugs or four
53:51
different bugs that are interacting with each other.
53:53
And I am not entirely sure if the math that I'm doing there is
53:56
correct because they forgot to apply some nerves again and
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stuff like this. It's the usual stuff that always
54:02
happens kind of. But yeah, just generally I think
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if it comes purely to box, we are in a much better position
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than the enhancement Charmans right now.
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I'm just scared that if they want to address the actual
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numbers issues that they currently have, because I think
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we will eat some nerve to ascendance to AOE in some form
54:25
or fashion. Even after they fix the box, I
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think it's still probably too strong.
54:29
But if they aren't very careful as to how they're going to
54:32
change it, they might just completely nerf the spec into
54:36
oblivion and then they will have to actually buff it again.
54:39
And if they make a sentence less interesting numerically, even
54:44
people will probably see that as a loss of enjoyment just
54:47
generally in how the spec plays. Because I think right now on PTR
54:50
and single target, it feels really, really, really good to
54:54
play. OK.
54:56
So we are a week away from this going live, so they've got a lot
55:01
of work to do. If you could ask the developers
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for one thing to to encapsulate what what shamans need, word up.
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We'll start with you. What would you ask for?
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Well. You you can't, you can't fix the
55:18
problems right now with one thing because it's sort of a lot
55:22
of little individual things that need to be sort of teased out
55:26
like in order of priority. Like very, very, very, very top
55:31
of the list is that flowing spirits need someone to like go
55:34
into the office and just spend the day and work out what makes
55:39
this an acceptable level in their head.
55:42
Likely like RPPM is probably a good idea.
55:44
Flat percent chance, pretty dangerous and you just have
55:48
different RPPMS for each element.
55:50
That's probably healthier than right now.
55:52
But however they choose to address that, that needs to be
55:55
addressed before live, not after in post before, because that'll
55:59
be really bad if that goes goes live.
56:03
The sundering reset is one that I I sort of picked out one.
56:08
You need to buff sundering no matter like that's the the
56:11
bottom line. That spell needs buffing the
56:13
reset. Personally I'd rather go with
56:17
ticking Cdr instead. Just take it from flame shock or
56:20
something. Just make it trickle in.
56:22
Make it more predictable than what it is because we can't have
56:26
I I. I don't know if you played in
56:27
shadow lands with enhancement, but if you remember firewalls
56:31
and hot hand, it wasn't fun to have to roll for one to get the
56:35
other one to then go nuclear because you've already got the
56:39
good one. I don't need to wait for the
56:40
other one to make it super good. So having the two layered super
56:45
RNG pick one, ideally the ascendants proc and make the
56:51
other one predictable. That one is another one.
56:56
Ascendance. Ascendance feels awesome.
56:58
By the way, I didn't touch on this.
57:00
Two charges on storm strike is really really fun for the new
57:04
ascendants. Well, old ascendants, but it
57:07
feels new. Dre just needs to be scaled off
57:12
the amount of males from you spend.
57:13
Bottom line, I know that it puts it in overlap with Tempest.
57:17
That's OK in my opinion anyway, just let's let's go with that
57:21
route. Then all of the finicky bugs of
57:25
hidden casts and one of the little thing that in case it
57:32
goes live for the sake of literally everyone else who
57:36
plays with enhancement of the potential problem it may cause.
57:40
Imbuement mastery, the procking flame tongue, AOI off wind fury
57:46
make it 1 hit not 3 ticks please.
57:49
Because the combat log if you look at like a 5 minute combat
57:53
log of enhancement in AOE, you you'll usually see like around
57:57
5000 combat like entry log entries.
57:59
Maybe that's that's pretty high. But like if you add that talent
58:04
in there, it suddenly goes to like 10,000 or 12,500.
58:09
And if you played in wads, you might remember that if you used
58:15
Ancestral Guidance and then pressed Fire Nova, the entire
58:18
raid lags immediately. And as fun as it is to have a
58:23
kill switch on the entire raid to be able to press it and make
58:26
everyone lag, no one likes playing with you when you do it
58:30
more than once because the joke goes away.
58:33
Just like no one like playing with an Holly DK on Demathrius.
58:36
They press over the epidemic and then you can't play.
58:40
Please just change that, because if Totemic is good, people still
58:44
won't let you play it. But yeah, the key things is
58:48
sundering flowing spirits. Dre, look at them again, I will
58:54
say. One thing that I I am really
58:57
happy with with the flowing spirits is that you can control
59:00
your wolves. Just that alone makes me want it
59:03
more than than the roll. The wolves that we have on live
59:07
right now that Yeah. That is, it is really cool that
59:10
they thought of that in the process because it that that
59:12
wasn't completely like agnostic of us saying anything.
59:16
They went on their own with that one and it is really cool.
59:19
And then? I, I, I got to give you the
59:21
list. I gave word up the list.
59:22
What are the priorities of things that they need to fix for
59:25
Elemental? Yeah, I mean a few.
59:27
Things overlap, right? Like DAE Maelstrom just bug
59:31
fixing generally, right? Like everything that's there for
59:37
us, like I said, I, I will, I'm expecting a change to a
59:42
sentence. I'm expecting a nerve there, but
59:44
I just want them to be real careful about it and just keep
59:47
it fun, right? So just specifically nerve the
59:50
AOE component if that's possible, and try to keep it
59:54
similar or exactly the same in single target.
59:58
When it comes to actually actual changes, it's mostly stuff that
1:00:00
I haven't talked about yet. It's fire elemental and the new
1:00:03
talent Erupting Lava, which I don't think fire elemental
1:00:07
basically is so bad now in comparison to Storm Melly that
1:00:11
they just need to do something with it that just put anything
1:00:14
on it and it's going to be better basically.
1:00:16
And the other talent are just erupting lava.
1:00:20
I just, I I like the concept, I just don't think it works
1:00:24
entirely well. It's a thing where every time
1:00:26
you press lava burst you eat up a bit of your flame shock.
1:00:29
And this whole dot management thing is not something that the
1:00:32
community generally enjoys and that is really part of the spec.
1:00:35
So especially with the amount of passive eating up of the dot
1:00:39
that happens right now, you're basically just pressing the
1:00:41
button like you're just pressing flame shock every 5 seconds.
1:00:45
Not even to mention that it's just under tuned and it just
1:00:48
doesn't compete. But yeah, just keep an eye on
1:00:51
the stuff that doesn't work, that will not be picked and
1:00:55
those few things. Ascendance die.
1:00:58
I'm going to. I'm going to just throw out my
1:01:02
suggestion for that. My suggestion is simply that
1:01:06
every time it would proc, it just empowers the next couple of
1:01:10
ticks. Just rather than having a a like
1:01:13
it munch away the three seconds, which I believe in your article,
1:01:16
you showed a a case scenario where you're basically eating up
1:01:19
the entirety of the the flame shocks you put out just empower
1:01:23
the next couple of ticks. So you get some like extra
1:01:25
damage and you want to pump it in.
1:01:26
Yeah, sure. Oh.
1:01:28
I, I can't, I can't go someone, someone will eat my head off if
1:01:32
I don't say it. The follow up talents, the
1:01:33
primordial wave for us, either delete them because you clearly
1:01:37
hate them or do something to them because no one is ever
1:01:40
going. They're going to pass down there
1:01:42
anymore because it is so it has been crippled so much by repeat
1:01:48
nerves that you can't pat down there anymore.
1:01:51
Either add something to it, please, so that there's a little
1:01:54
bit of like friction or choice or delete them because they have
1:01:57
no place anymore. Thank you that I have to say
1:02:01
that because someone will be at my throat otherwise I I think.
1:02:04
Ever since Amir Dasil, they're just like, no, you can't have
1:02:07
that much haste on demand. So hopefully they will do
1:02:11
something like that. But again, we could keep going
1:02:14
for for hours. There's so much to talk about
1:02:16
with Shaman. This is something I've really
1:02:18
wanted to do for a long time. Sorry.
1:02:20
Thank you guys for coming out. Where can people find you when
1:02:24
you're not here talking about Shaman Hawk, Let's start with
1:02:27
you. Yeah, I mean.
1:02:29
I'm chronically online on Earthshine basically, so if
1:02:32
people want to get a hold of me, just ping me or mention my name.
1:02:36
If you say it three times, I'd probably just appear or
1:02:38
something. And other than that, it's just
1:02:42
stuff like Wowhead and things, right?
1:02:45
Well, just right guides and. Word up, where can people find
1:02:49
you if they need to know something about enhancement?
1:02:52
I'm the same. You'll find me on Earth trying,
1:02:55
lurking more, more so than anything at the moment, because
1:02:57
I'm playing the game and they'll be like, there's Wildhead and
1:03:01
Icy Veins. They're always updated by me
1:03:03
too. They're the best places.
1:03:04
And if anything super important happens, I'll probably tweet
1:03:07
about it. But that's basically where you
1:03:11
can find me. I attempt to keep to myself at
1:03:13
the moment when it's this busy at the expansion.
1:03:15
Definitely I've. I've been enjoying the Game 2
1:03:19
just pre pre show talk. I was just saying I don't know
1:03:23
if I should be learning PTR stuff or I should be learning
1:03:26
live and every time I jump into it takes me just a couple of
1:03:30
pools before I realize which version of the game I'm in.
1:03:33
So there's a lot to enjoy both on live and upcoming.
1:03:37
We will definitely talk more about what those impacts are as
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11.0 point five hits. But until next time guys, may
1:03:47
all your hits be crits.