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Capitulo 010: Para luchar hay que chismear · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: Radio Radio, Radio Commies, a Myth and Bullshit, a radio
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Speaker 1: phonic novella Local Radio hosted by Malamo. Hello, welcome back
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Speaker 1: to local radio. This is the FM and this is Malamos.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in once again to Brown Girl
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Speaker 1: Our Yes, local radio is where we celebrate the brilliance
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Speaker 1: and legacies of women and fems of color. Thanks so
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Speaker 1: much for tuning in yet again. This is Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: a big deal. It's a big deal. The name of
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Speaker 1: this is Cheese and we have a really special guest
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Speaker 1: which will be introducing in a little bit. We're so excited.
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Speaker 1: We're so excited, especially because I don't know, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: some of you have noticed that we probably we haven't
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Speaker 1: released an episode in about a month now. We have
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Speaker 1: had a journey. All of everything the universe hasn't working
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Speaker 1: against us. Sound studio, things retrograded now, you know, in processes. Yes,
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Speaker 1: so thank you so much for being patient for tuning in.
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Speaker 1: That'll tell you more about it, tell you more about
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Speaker 1: the journey to get here. A mini milestone for us.
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Speaker 1: And we have some other milestones that we've experienced recently,
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Speaker 1: some really exciting announcements. Yes, so recently we were asked
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Speaker 1: to be a part of a Facebook Live series with
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Speaker 1: remesqu La. So they had a storytelling um Facebook Life
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Speaker 1: series and they asked to be a part of it,
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Speaker 1: and Mama represented us. So do you want to talk
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Speaker 1: a little bit about the video experience. It was so
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Speaker 1: much fun. So LIKESCLA and the Philadelphia Latino Film Festival
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Speaker 1: and UM Latino Victory. They came together to put together
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Speaker 1: like a series of talks and this was the final
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Speaker 1: installment of their Facebook Live talks and it was all
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Speaker 1: about like storytelling as resistance and as a tool for organizing.
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Speaker 1: So it was really fun and I skyped in and
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Speaker 1: we talked about storytelling as resistance. So shout out to
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Speaker 1: Rasa and to the Philadelphia Film Festival, UM, to Latino Victory,
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Speaker 1: to Andrea and everybody who was a part of it.
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Speaker 1: It was really fun. It was cool. Yeah. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I wasn't able to be a part of it because
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Speaker 1: I had a meeting for my day job that I
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Speaker 1: could not miss. And what I like, shout out to
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Speaker 1: Mama because she really represented the both of us. She
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Speaker 1: included me in the dialogue. We were able to go
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Speaker 1: over the questions beforehand, and she made sure that my
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Speaker 1: voice was still heard, So shout out to you. That
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Speaker 1: was really amazing. I tried, girl. And then because of that,
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Speaker 1: there was actually a write up feature article on Glass.
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Speaker 1: So shout out to Yarra Simon for that, for writing it,
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Speaker 1: for writing it. Yeah, so it's around. It's on clans
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Speaker 1: on Facebook, our Instagram, you know, so if you want
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Speaker 1: to check that out, it's available. Yes. And then and
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Speaker 1: then we had a feature in Latina Mag online. Our
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Speaker 1: friend Raquel, Raquel Richard, she's an editor at Latina Mag
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Speaker 1: and so she wrote this really amazing, beautiful feature about
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Speaker 1: the podcast, about the program, so check it out. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's amazing. Um. Yeah, I just get so excited and
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Speaker 1: happy when I think about think about it, you know. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like I was doing a lot of really great work
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Speaker 1: for Latina. So shout out to you girl. Um. And
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Speaker 1: then we have a conference coming up. We will be
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Speaker 1: participating in a conference at Pasadena City College April twenty
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Speaker 1: twonds called it is for Young Girls, Young latin US
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Speaker 1: and Young Women of Color. Um. So yeah, we're really
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Speaker 1: excited to be presenting fem Tech. Do you want to
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about that. We're gonna present
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Speaker 1: our fem Tech Workshop, but this time we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: talking a lot more about like other creators, other thinkers,
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Speaker 1: other activists, like for example, Kim Milan, Yes, her work
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Speaker 1: on fem science UM there's a fem tech blog and
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Speaker 1: website that's all about UM women fems using technology for
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Speaker 1: social change and La Lava Loca for example, and how
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Speaker 1: she talks about a lethal anologists technology. So we're gonna
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Speaker 1: incorporate those elements of like all the fems who are
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Speaker 1: like talking about fem science fem tech. Definitely. I think
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Speaker 1: it's so important for us as creators who always acknowledge
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Speaker 1: the folks that have especially the fems and women of
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Speaker 1: color that have come before us and have carved space,
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Speaker 1: pay the way, all that kind of beautiful stuff that
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Speaker 1: fems do. So shout out to all of them. And
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Speaker 1: we're really excited. It'll be our second conference that we're
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Speaker 1: presenting at. Yes, we love conferences, so thank you to
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Speaker 1: the art users that are bringing us out UM. And
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Speaker 1: then last night we had we went to a really
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Speaker 1: dope art show at the at the Mexican Consulate over
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Speaker 1: here in l A. And it was a really cool space.
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Speaker 1: It was and I've driven by there so many times,
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Speaker 1: and I had no idea that that was the Consulate.
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Speaker 1: What show was it? The Peralta Project show? Yes, the
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Speaker 1: rolls and icons. Um, it was fun. Dona performed. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: shout out to the artist Tony Berralta. The show is amazing. Um.
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Speaker 1: If you follow me on Instagram, you know that I
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Speaker 1: have the cele Cruze Condrollos that was gifted to me
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Speaker 1: about a year ago. So it was really nice to
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Speaker 1: see like the whole series, especially La Loupus since we'll
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Speaker 1: be talking about La Lupin in the next few weeks.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, so it ties together, which I love.
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Speaker 1: And then finally shout out congratulations. Mala has her very
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Speaker 1: first article on the Huffington's Post blog site. I'm so
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Speaker 1: can you talk about it? Yeah? So, actually shout Morsha
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Speaker 1: Childs to Yessica and to um Tunisia Love Ramirez, who's
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Speaker 1: one of the editors at the Huffington Post, who extended, um, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, gave me the opportunity to write for the blog.
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Speaker 1: So my first blog entry I posted today and it's
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Speaker 1: a post that is dedicated to to sexual assault survivors
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Speaker 1: and I discussed Denim Day, sexual Assault Awareness Month. April
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Speaker 1: is Sexual Assault Awareness Month, which which actually is very
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Speaker 1: relevant to this episode because we talk about survivors and
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Speaker 1: safety planning or we're going to we will. So check
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Speaker 1: that out if you just look up Huffington's post and
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Speaker 1: you google, and the title is very intentional, right, the
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Speaker 1: title of the pieces there is no excuse and never
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Speaker 1: an invitation to rape, right and so also you know,
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Speaker 1: major trigger morning because there's discussions of sexual violence. But
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Speaker 1: you should be able to find it. So check that out,
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Speaker 1: and um, we'll be talking more about Sexual Assault Awareness Month,
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Speaker 1: maybe on the Instagram, on the Twitter, yeah absolutely, um. Actually, um,
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Speaker 1: her handle is yes surely from Peace Over Violence. She
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Speaker 1: invited the Mommy Collective to be a part of a
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Speaker 1: guest video, a denom Day video where we're talking about
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Speaker 1: sexual assault, sexual violence, um and ways to you know
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Speaker 1: that it shouldn't happen, like not on my campus, not
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Speaker 1: on my party, you know, really combating it. Um. Unfortunately
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Speaker 1: not all of the mommies were able to be a
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Speaker 1: part of it, but Maria and I were and it
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Speaker 1: was amazing. It was an amazing experience, so shout out too. Surely.
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Speaker 1: It was a guest headquarters. It was oh my God,
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Speaker 1: I felt like j Lo for the day. It was amazing.
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Speaker 1: They put me in a new dress. So believe me
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Speaker 1: when I say that I felt like j Lo. It
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Speaker 1: was amazing that my true calling in life tvh Um.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, we will be posting that at some point
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Speaker 1: whenever that's released, will post it on the Instagram. So
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Speaker 1: shout out again to Surely for making it happen. Yes, okay, cool. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so now let's let's get into yeah something we have
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Speaker 1: who do we have on the show, Arthur trying? Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much to queer Chicano cheese man for being
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Speaker 1: so patient so fucking down. Hey, how how are you
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Speaker 1: love im? Hello? Hello? Yeah? Ok ahead, thankhead out for us.
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Speaker 1: He's calling that, he's calling in. Introduce yourself calling in
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Speaker 1: the third time trying this. Um, Hi, my name is
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Speaker 1: but you probably know kind of cheese man. I am
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Speaker 1: a multi platform on all social media. I'm on Facebook
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Speaker 1: where I post articles that inform my politics and inform
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Speaker 1: and sperience as like a queer brown chicanom right. Um.
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Speaker 1: Then on Instagram, I have a collection of images and
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Speaker 1: memes that like are often like really personal. Um yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I like talk about need for identity as like
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Speaker 1: a colonized subject of Latin America. Um, but also like
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Speaker 1: my depression and things like that. Like I'm very I'm
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Speaker 1: very open about a lot of things, um on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: but also on Twitter, um, where I basically like map
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Speaker 1: out like my life, like my whole life is on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: Like I try not to to like shy away from topics, right,
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Speaker 1: because one of the reasons why I created my platforms
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Speaker 1: is because I didn't see like a queer brown like
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Speaker 1: Chicano fem like right, like doing the damn thing and
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Speaker 1: I did. There was like no roadmap for me, right,
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Speaker 1: And so I kind of in some ways I want
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Speaker 1: to provide like one of what's sure to be many
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Speaker 1: roadmaps for other like you know, sissy brown boys, as
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Speaker 1: I call it, right, so that they can alone a
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Speaker 1: and that there's like someone there, like that's like making mistakes,
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Speaker 1: and like also like thinking critically about like not only
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Speaker 1: their existence but also like the systems right in which
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Speaker 1: they exist. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, in our second recording
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Speaker 1: of this, our second try, you talked about the creation
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Speaker 1: of your platform creature on Cheese Man and actually you
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Speaker 1: know the cissy Brown Boys that you're talking about, and
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Speaker 1: how you included that in your on your graduation cap Um.
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Speaker 1: Is that something you feel like comfortable talking about now? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Um definitely so um yeah, so writing for Cissy Brown
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Speaker 1: Boys is something that took on like way bigger meanings
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Speaker 1: that I've originally intended it to. Right. So, Um, I
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Speaker 1: graduated on June twelve, two thousand sixteen. Um, congratulations, yes,
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Speaker 1: congrat thank you. It was a very long j yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so if you're familiar with that day, you'll know
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Speaker 1: that it was the same date as like the Orlando
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Speaker 1: um post tragedy, right um, And so that happened on
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Speaker 1: a on a Sunday morning, right, the tragedy happened like
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Speaker 1: at two am, three am in Florida. Um, but a
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Speaker 1: but a week earlier, I had done the same thing
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Speaker 1: that a lot of us had done are doing right now,
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Speaker 1: is which is decorat our graduation caps right. And so
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Speaker 1: for me, I think I couldn't find I couldn't find
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Speaker 1: who there dedicated to or what you know, A lot
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Speaker 1: of people are like thinking their family and the X
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Speaker 1: and y. Right, but as like someone who who was disowned,
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Speaker 1: um and whose family was a hurdle to graduation right
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Speaker 1: as a queer brown person. I couldn't be like, thank
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Speaker 1: my family for their struggle, because that seemed really disingenuous
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Speaker 1: to me. So instead I dedicated it to to to
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Speaker 1: other people like me, right who may not have had
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Speaker 1: the opportunities or the light, you know, or the guidance
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Speaker 1: to to make it too to a graduation stage. Right.
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Speaker 1: So my cap said for all the cisy brown boys
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Speaker 1: that couldn't right, and I was, and I wrote a
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Speaker 1: small poem about it. Um. I wrote a small poem
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Speaker 1: that basically said, for all the cycy brown boys that
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Speaker 1: couldn't um graduate because of systemic violence or because they
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Speaker 1: have to stop being cissy brown boys. Right, A lot
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Speaker 1: of the time the world forces is to stop being feminine, right,
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Speaker 1: demonized femininity. So I dedicated to them, um A little
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Speaker 1: did I know that like it would take on a
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Speaker 1: bigger meaning, um, because you know, Orlando took so many
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Speaker 1: like brown and black folks from us, right, um, and
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Speaker 1: so there was in that number, there was folks that
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Speaker 1: couldn't write. There was folks whose dreams were cut short. Right.
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Speaker 1: So I put out my poem and it and it
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Speaker 1: went viral on multiple platforms. Um. Thanks to folks on
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Speaker 1: Latina Rebels and um. And so what happened with that
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Speaker 1: is that I became really available to a lot of people. Right,
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Speaker 1: A lot of people have my my personal Facebook. So
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Speaker 1: even though I was already like a very popular like
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Speaker 1: activist and like um writer, I didn't expect the kind
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Speaker 1: of attention that I got, right, so to put like
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Speaker 1: a barrier between me and other people, because oftentimes people
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Speaker 1: just see you as a resource. Right. I created my platforms,
13:35
Speaker 1: um because I saw that there was like a need
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Speaker 1: for like this voice, right that I was like speaking um,
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Speaker 1: but also like I needed to self care. Yeah yeah,
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Speaker 1: And do you see your platforms and social media as
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Speaker 1: self care and as venting? Like is that what it
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Speaker 1: is for you? Yeah? Oh my god, My Twitter is
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Speaker 1: like super like it's like a double edged sword. Like
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Speaker 1: sometimes when I write something like that's like politically charged
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Speaker 1: or like socially like that like a critique, yah anything
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Speaker 1: like oh my god, like the trolls will coup. They flock.
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Speaker 1: They always do. Yeah, they have a flock, right, they flock.
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Speaker 1: It's not only like bigots, right, it's also like our community,
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Speaker 1: right criticism appreciate. Very frustrating, yeah, very upsetting. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you all know it you'll talk about like some
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Speaker 1: real ship. Oh yeah, the ship that we get from
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Speaker 1: our own community when we talk about what rape culture,
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Speaker 1: men men mention terrorists. Yeah they are. They show up,
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Speaker 1: but in the wrong way, you know, they show up.
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Speaker 1: But yes, it's annoying. Yeah, so like a part of
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Speaker 1: like a part of it is like really damaging. It's good.
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Speaker 1: It's so good right on Twitter, Like I found community,
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Speaker 1: I found other fans. I thought a lot of people
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Speaker 1: who like were like, damn, like you're going to change
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Speaker 1: me the same ship that like I thought. But I
15:07
Speaker 1: you know, I thought I was imagining, right, I don't
15:09
Speaker 1: want to speak certain things. They're like, oh my god,
15:11
Speaker 1: like they feel less gaslighted. And gas lighting is when
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Speaker 1: you're made to think that you're um than your mental status,
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Speaker 1: um something that it isn't right in a form of abuse.
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Speaker 1: You know, so we can see, you know, and have
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Speaker 1: experienced for people, for folks listening who you know, the
15:32
Speaker 1: term gaslighting might be a new term. An example of
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Speaker 1: gaslighting is like it's an abuse tactic, right, Like an
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Speaker 1: abusive person might do bad things to you, you know, um,
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Speaker 1: but then lie and cover it up and tell you
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Speaker 1: that you're making it up or you're you know, you're
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Speaker 1: imagining it to make you feel as if you're crazy,
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Speaker 1: crazy making. Exactly, crazy making, which is something we've talked
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Speaker 1: about in our first couple of the world. The world
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Speaker 1: are society's like purchase gas light us and abuse us
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Speaker 1: on wide scales and interpersonal skills, and it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: crazy making. So when women fans respond in particular ways
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Speaker 1: to trauma, it's were labeled as crazy as if the
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Speaker 1: point of aggression began with our reaction right now looking
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Speaker 1: at the causes. Yes, that reminds me like when I
16:25
Speaker 1: when I had like a really big falling out with
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Speaker 1: one of my ex girlfriends, um one of our at
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Speaker 1: the time mutual friends, like reached out to me and
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Speaker 1: was like, you're calling so and so abusive. It makes
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Speaker 1: me think that you're going through something really terrible, terrible Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like like you must be going through something that's making
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Speaker 1: you make this up because you're crazy, right exactly, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: example gaslighting gas lighting. So yeah, yeah, And you know what, Uban,
16:55
Speaker 1: you know what I love about you too, Like earlier
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Speaker 1: you mentioned that you know, you like to bring up
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Speaker 1: topics and talk about things that other people are not
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Speaker 1: talking about. That we don't like to talk about and
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Speaker 1: it's true, and you do it in like a lot
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Speaker 1: of different ways. It's levels because you could talk about
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Speaker 1: you know, the politics, race, sexuality, but you also want
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Speaker 1: to talk about Selena and the cow print and bring
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Speaker 1: it up. People were very upset. Then can we talk
17:23
Speaker 1: about fluid Head and tell us? Can you can you
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Speaker 1: set the scene of the meme before us the please? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: drag me yes, Okay. So I made a meme were
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Speaker 1: it was like a picture of Selenna and her iconic
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Speaker 1: purple but that she wore and that you know, one
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Speaker 1: of her last big concerts, right at the Astronome, the Astrodome. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then I had a juxtapose picture of Selenna and
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Speaker 1: those Denos in their cow print outfits right right right,
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Speaker 1: like cow print chaps and like leather right and I
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Speaker 1: posted like the text was like, sometimes I feel like
18:06
Speaker 1: I'm not doing my best work, but then I remember
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Speaker 1: that for every iconic purple outfit at Slemma War, she
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Speaker 1: also wore a count And oh my god, how do
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Speaker 1: people respond? Please describe it prribly? Oh my god, the
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Speaker 1: work like so dragged. People are like, you're just you're
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Speaker 1: offending the culture again, and how dare you disrespect like
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Speaker 1: the idol or like you're you're like being really offensive
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Speaker 1: and I'm just like they came for you. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, a, this is a joke, Like it's
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Speaker 1: called like being like you know, it's like called like
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Speaker 1: self dragging in some ways, Yes, I expect that people
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Speaker 1: to come for me, right, because you can't. But it's
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Speaker 1: funny though, because it's like there was you know, because
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Speaker 1: we even like the girls like mommy collective, I can't lie.
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Speaker 1: We were in our group chat talking about that meme
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Speaker 1: and we were like, oh my god, that is an
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Speaker 1: iconic Sve Hannah. We love the calfrint, we love the
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Speaker 1: cop yes, even as even as we were like side yeah,
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Speaker 1: we were, I don't know about this one even I
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Speaker 1: do not know. But here's my thing though. Here's my
19:17
Speaker 1: thing is that like I like doing that ship because
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Speaker 1: I like people. I like to um so something that
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Speaker 1: somebody described me as one on the class right, I'm
19:27
Speaker 1: someone that like um pushes like um not only the
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Speaker 1: boundaries but also like people's idea of idolization. So people
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Speaker 1: people see Selena right for some reason, we can't touch her, like, ok, God,
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Speaker 1: can't say anything that's even like a mildly no, you
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Speaker 1: cannot know. And so she's all we have. She's all
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Speaker 1: we have. We're very protective of her, very protective, and
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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, you can't separate the fact that
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Speaker 1: like how she left us as to why people are
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Speaker 1: active up. Yeah, yeah, and there's been like, oh, there's
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Speaker 1: like so many things that can be said about that, right,
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Speaker 1: But there's also so many things that can be said
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Speaker 1: about like the way that we hold on to idols
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Speaker 1: as Chicken is right. We have many of them. We will, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we have so many of them. We will be talking
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Speaker 1: about another idol in the near at the end, like
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Speaker 1: towards the end of this, we're gonna be talking about
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Speaker 1: another another idol. Um. I don't mean to put you
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Speaker 1: off from men, but we do have to go into
20:31
Speaker 1: our song break right now, break where we're just we're
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Speaker 1: just getting started, just getting started. This will be a
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Speaker 1: nice little break, and then we're going to really get
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Speaker 1: into the Cheese Man from a Ship and we're back.
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Speaker 1: So that was Lela Downs. Thank you again through Ben
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Speaker 1: for bringing this song for us to play. Now let's
21:35
Speaker 1: get into like we were talking about, She's mad she's
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Speaker 1: met in all its facets. M h, yeah, go ahead, okay,
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Speaker 1: Um yeah, Like, um, cheesem is really important to me, right,
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Speaker 1: But like I also want to establish that I approached
21:58
Speaker 1: I approached cheese man like from a very like decalon
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Speaker 1: to colonized lens. Right. I look at it very differently
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Speaker 1: than most people do. And I want to acknowledge the
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Speaker 1: fact that like, um, like this in essence is something
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Speaker 1: beyond like it's Western restrictions and in post definitions or norms. Right,
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Speaker 1: But I understand that like like a lot of people
22:21
Speaker 1: get like really offended by it, right, and or really
22:25
Speaker 1: they get really weird it out by like the fact
22:27
Speaker 1: that I praise cheese me or that I call myself
22:29
Speaker 1: cheese man, right, and because it has a negative connotation,
22:33
Speaker 1: it does, Yeah, I have some connotations that has been
22:37
Speaker 1: brought to it, right, I mean a really common phrase
22:39
Speaker 1: that we hear and like Latino Latino, Latino, Latino X
22:42
Speaker 1: houses is right right yeah um yeah um, And like
22:51
Speaker 1: and I know it's hurt a lot of people, right,
22:53
Speaker 1: cheese man, specifically unethical cheeseman, which you will get too later.
22:56
Speaker 1: Like that's hurt people, right, um. And like if we're
23:00
Speaker 1: gonna like get down to the root of it, like
23:03
Speaker 1: the etymology, like that means like the root of the
23:06
Speaker 1: word um uh. It is like the Latin word cheesema chism,
23:10
Speaker 1: which means division. Um. But again, like that wasn't a
23:14
Speaker 1: like a word that we and like you know as
23:17
Speaker 1: like colonized latinize like Latin x Latin American subjects like
23:22
Speaker 1: called that form of expression, right. It was something that
23:25
Speaker 1: colonizers imposed on us, right. Um. So they saw like
23:29
Speaker 1: a practice right that we that we had, and then
23:32
Speaker 1: colonizers imposed a word on that right, and they saw
23:36
Speaker 1: it as like something that was very divided, right, because
23:39
Speaker 1: that was the only way that they saw things right.
23:42
Speaker 1: Because not only do we have to remember that um,
23:44
Speaker 1: a lot of the terms we use our colonized, but
23:46
Speaker 1: also a lot of the um the ideas right that
23:50
Speaker 1: we have, such as gender right, so like binary notions
23:54
Speaker 1: of gender like which is like a division of the
23:56
Speaker 1: way we look at people, right, that was brought on
23:59
Speaker 1: by colonized. Yeah, because if you think about like if
24:02
Speaker 1: so say, you know you're a colonizer, right, you see
24:04
Speaker 1: these people and the way that they are transmitting the
24:07
Speaker 1: way they're preserving their their history, their religions, any type
24:12
Speaker 1: of like customs that they have. They're doing it through storytelling,
24:16
Speaker 1: through speaking. So creating that type of cheeseman, that kind
24:20
Speaker 1: of negative connotation is vital to destroying what they have
24:25
Speaker 1: and I and this makes me think of of course,
24:29
Speaker 1: and a great example of this as far as like
24:34
Speaker 1: you know, safety planning, sharing information, spreading knowledge, organizing in
24:39
Speaker 1: the midst of oppression, like African Americans and their oral
24:43
Speaker 1: tradition and call and responds. And one of the reasons
24:47
Speaker 1: why black folk on Twitter really dominate Twitter and really
24:50
Speaker 1: utilize it in a way that is more efficient and
24:54
Speaker 1: expressive than any other. I think black women invented Twitter,
24:58
Speaker 1: to be honest, they invented the Internet, how I feel,
25:00
Speaker 1: And so we each different type of colonized subject is
25:04
Speaker 1: going to have their own model, right somehow resisting or
25:07
Speaker 1: responding to colonization and the spread of knowledge and information
25:11
Speaker 1: is vital to that, right, Yeah, absolutely right? And like um,
25:18
Speaker 1: like as a brown queer family, like I get that.
25:21
Speaker 1: Like um again, like that cheese mat how does negative connotations? Right? Um?
25:27
Speaker 1: Because I've also been hurt by cheeseman, Right, but it's
25:30
Speaker 1: also been really helpful, right, not only like in the
25:32
Speaker 1: way that y'all have brought it up, right, Like, so
25:35
Speaker 1: people get to like um spread information, right, but also
25:38
Speaker 1: like history, right, there's certain things that are not written
25:41
Speaker 1: down anywhere, right, So like in its very essence, like
25:45
Speaker 1: cheesemet is like immaterial like truth or immaterial newsterial information
25:53
Speaker 1: because it's information that exists without receipts. And so much
25:57
Speaker 1: of our experiences as Latino X people have to do
26:01
Speaker 1: with living and existing without receipts. So much of being
26:04
Speaker 1: a fam or a woman or a survivor is about
26:07
Speaker 1: having a reality and experience without evidence, without without receipts. Literally,
26:14
Speaker 1: but we have the stories and the narratives, right, it happened,
26:18
Speaker 1: but it's not documented in Eurocentric white waves. It's not
26:23
Speaker 1: you know, likefore not valid, therefore not valid, not believed. Yes, absolutely,
26:29
Speaker 1: And I think right now it's like a great time
26:31
Speaker 1: too to like bring up one of Like I think
26:34
Speaker 1: our collective heroes right about Dominican sounds are like the
26:38
Speaker 1: middle of everything we just mentioned right back, Like next
26:41
Speaker 1: woman fam right, Like I think one of the things
26:44
Speaker 1: that hit me somebody of what she says has hit
26:46
Speaker 1: me really hard, right, So much like if you don't
26:48
Speaker 1: follow about Dominicana on all platforms like and support her
26:53
Speaker 1: and her fireworks. Patron Yes, be a patron, U shop
26:59
Speaker 1: her stuff, uh sho s hera Kelly dot Com like
27:04
Speaker 1: support she makes such beautiful artwork. Yeah. One of the
27:07
Speaker 1: one of the things that's hit me the hardest that
27:09
Speaker 1: she said is like people say that like educate yourself
27:12
Speaker 1: with books, right, but like as an after, Latina's in
27:15
Speaker 1: existent books. So she's like documenting her existence on Twitter
27:20
Speaker 1: and on all her platforms, right. Yeah. And a lot
27:24
Speaker 1: of us come from families and areas and regions and
27:28
Speaker 1: villages and tribes and communities where maybe a lot of
27:33
Speaker 1: our ancestors did not have birth certificates, like our birds
27:37
Speaker 1: existence were not documented in the same ways, right, So
27:41
Speaker 1: like we could talk about if we go on ancestry
27:44
Speaker 1: dot com, how far back are they really able to
27:46
Speaker 1: go our grandparents, our parents, Yeah, because I know that
27:50
Speaker 1: my dad's grandparents they did not have bird certificates, and
27:54
Speaker 1: they didn't have their their own original names because whatever,
27:58
Speaker 1: like you know, basically Rancho that you were working for,
28:03
Speaker 1: if you were an Indian and Indigenous person, it was
28:06
Speaker 1: not uncommon for you to be given the last name
28:09
Speaker 1: of the rancho because working on that ranch. Right, So
28:14
Speaker 1: how far back can we really go when we don't
28:16
Speaker 1: have our real names, right, when we don't have birth
28:19
Speaker 1: certificates in those documents? Yes, this though, um talk with
28:28
Speaker 1: you all before about how like, um, my mother's birthday
28:32
Speaker 1: on record, it's not like actual real birthday, right, this
28:38
Speaker 1: is a perfect example. Yes, um, okay, So my mother
28:43
Speaker 1: was born in a pueblo where like back in the day, right,
28:47
Speaker 1: you're like, Catholicism was such that it imposed certain rules
28:51
Speaker 1: on women where they couldn't register their own children, right,
28:55
Speaker 1: so the husbands had to do it, or the man
28:57
Speaker 1: and the family had to do They have to go
28:59
Speaker 1: and claim a child that's their own in order for
29:01
Speaker 1: them to be valid, right, in order for them to
29:04
Speaker 1: have a registrate, and to have to rely on men
29:07
Speaker 1: for like to do a stage one, step one of
29:09
Speaker 1: your life to register you like step one and to
29:13
Speaker 1: have that be relying on a man is so stressful.
29:16
Speaker 1: Can I just say, like side real quick, my father
29:20
Speaker 1: fucked up my birth certificate because he was in charge
29:23
Speaker 1: of that. So yes, we could cry make them episode
29:26
Speaker 1: about fathers and birth certificates and claiming kids and not
29:30
Speaker 1: claiming kids and lying about having kids. I we will
29:34
Speaker 1: say that for our next So back to the men.
29:40
Speaker 1: Tell us, M sorry, I was taking a step. Okay, So,
29:48
Speaker 1: like my mother was born in July, right, she's a
29:51
Speaker 1: leg um. But because the rules were such that, like
29:58
Speaker 1: your dad had to register you, she wasn't registered until
30:03
Speaker 1: late September because my grandfather born. So when she was born,
30:09
Speaker 1: he went like in a drinking bit, like hollidays, right,
30:14
Speaker 1: and when he finally came to it was already way
30:18
Speaker 1: past that month. And why was it? Can you tell
30:21
Speaker 1: us again? Why was it that he was so upset
30:23
Speaker 1: when she was born because she was a girl and
30:26
Speaker 1: not a boy. He wanted a boy, so he felt
30:28
Speaker 1: up her ship and she was a girl. So on
30:31
Speaker 1: record was she's a virgo? Excuse me? So on record
30:36
Speaker 1: she's a virgo? Huh yeah, unfortunately, but she's really a leal,
30:43
Speaker 1: which is what matters. And I think it's when I
30:45
Speaker 1: get along with Leo's um. So yeah, so she wasn't
30:51
Speaker 1: registered until like September, so I wouldn't know my mom's
30:56
Speaker 1: actual birthday if it wasn't for cheese may right, more right,
31:00
Speaker 1: Because of records of Mexico, which is a nation state, right, um,
31:05
Speaker 1: you know, which is like an ultimate form of a colony, right,
31:08
Speaker 1: because their records show that my mother was born in
31:11
Speaker 1: a different day. Yeah, so yeah, you know my so
31:15
Speaker 1: my government name and not my performance name. You know,
31:18
Speaker 1: Ariana right, and my Tokaya, Myawella my dad's side. When
31:22
Speaker 1: she immigrated here in the nineties, Um, when she was,
31:27
Speaker 1: you know, doing her immigration stuff, when the person was
31:31
Speaker 1: that was doing her paperwork heard her name, thought she
31:34
Speaker 1: said Adrianna. So there's a D in her name, like
31:37
Speaker 1: in her her documents here, Um there's a D. So
31:41
Speaker 1: she's not even like by her right name. And she
31:43
Speaker 1: was so afraid to correct him that she's like so
31:47
Speaker 1: here she she was living as Adriana and Arianna you know,
31:53
Speaker 1: shout out my Alita giscontin bus but yeah, you know,
31:57
Speaker 1: like and I wouldn't have known that had my family
31:59
Speaker 1: not told me because and my dad's family, my dad's
32:02
Speaker 1: side of the family, my dad's grandfather, so my great
32:05
Speaker 1: grandfather and they're Yuckyans are from Chihuahua, And it was
32:11
Speaker 1: kind of a running joke in the family, and my
32:12
Speaker 1: dad would joke that every year they would have a
32:14
Speaker 1: birthday party for Grandpa for great grandpa. But he was like, yeah, well,
32:19
Speaker 1: we don't really know how old he is. He's had
32:21
Speaker 1: his birthdays five times. You know, they just are guessing
32:25
Speaker 1: and how old he is. And it's that kind of
32:27
Speaker 1: thing that it's like you want us or we should
32:31
Speaker 1: as people be able to have all this knowledge about ourselves,
32:34
Speaker 1: but sometimes we don't even know how old we are
32:39
Speaker 1: basically ship you know, but because of structures and history
32:43
Speaker 1: and oppression and colonization all of it. Yes, Because again,
32:49
Speaker 1: like like our parents a lot of the times, like
32:52
Speaker 1: when they come to the U s Or they you know,
32:54
Speaker 1: where they immigrate, they like homie, and like my mother
32:58
Speaker 1: didn't carry her paper, like her doc meentation across the border, right,
33:01
Speaker 1: like um, a lot of our parents didn't, right, So
33:06
Speaker 1: like you're like she couldn't bring her documentation be like, oh,
33:12
Speaker 1: my name is actually Adriana, right right, she probably didn't
33:16
Speaker 1: have it, and if she did have it, like it
33:18
Speaker 1: would probably put her in danger. Yeah, there was a
33:20
Speaker 1: power dynamic evidently, you know, she was afraid that this
33:24
Speaker 1: person wasn't going to let her enter the US because
33:27
Speaker 1: she corrected him because he like didn't understand her name.
33:32
Speaker 1: You know, my little like a four eleven Alita, you
33:35
Speaker 1: know yeah yeah from THRUO shout out anyone if you're listening. Yeah,
33:44
Speaker 1: but yeah, like going back, like I wouldn't have known
33:46
Speaker 1: that had my family not told me cheese man, right,
33:51
Speaker 1: and like cheese mate can be like not only like
33:53
Speaker 1: a form of like documentation, but like also like a
33:57
Speaker 1: form of preservation, right, and so many ways right one
34:01
Speaker 1: of the first like again like as a brown fem
34:04
Speaker 1: of course, I've been like hurt by cheeseman, right, like
34:07
Speaker 1: I like, even though I'm someone who kept hide there
34:11
Speaker 1: their identity, right, like I am very I mean, y'all
34:14
Speaker 1: see me move like I know however I want to
34:16
Speaker 1: move right, It is wonderful and I occupy a very
34:21
Speaker 1: fem space right there that will never pass as what
34:24
Speaker 1: people think of as like a man quote unquote right.
34:28
Speaker 1: And so treatment has been used to like hurt me, right,
34:31
Speaker 1: because people have always in these negative implications of queerness,
34:35
Speaker 1: right and feminity. And so it was it was in
34:39
Speaker 1: college when I found ways in which cheestement um was
34:44
Speaker 1: like with was my clothes group of friends that they
34:46
Speaker 1: were that they outlined it to me and brought it
34:50
Speaker 1: to light as something positive, right, because when we go
34:52
Speaker 1: into the predominantly white spaces, right, we often don't have
34:56
Speaker 1: a safety net or anything, right unless we connect other
35:00
Speaker 1: people of color, black people of color. Right. Yeah, oh
35:04
Speaker 1: my god, there's just and what you just said, there's
35:07
Speaker 1: so much. There's so much to unpack and to talk about.
35:10
Speaker 1: We should do, like a future like as a queer
35:18
Speaker 1: or fhem or brown person studying at the university, like
35:23
Speaker 1: what you have to do to survive. That could be
35:25
Speaker 1: really great for our younger listeners that are listening folks
35:29
Speaker 1: that are like our non traditional students that maybe like
35:33
Speaker 1: pursuing something in the future. Yeah, yes, I mean we've
35:36
Speaker 1: talked about this about being this part one right, yes,
35:39
Speaker 1: so bookmark this idea. There's a lot of ideas. You know.
35:42
Speaker 1: You know what I love because the achievement when it happens,
35:46
Speaker 1: it's a moment. There's nothing I love more then because
35:50
Speaker 1: you can tell when the cheese was about to happen.
35:52
Speaker 1: There's nothing I love more than when my mother comes
35:55
Speaker 1: to me in a in a hushed whisper and listen, yeah,
36:01
Speaker 1: I told you this, you know. Oh yeah, I'm ready
36:05
Speaker 1: for it. I'm like, okay, let's go. When you grab
36:06
Speaker 1: a seat, let me pour a glass of wine. I'm ready.
36:09
Speaker 1: You know it's about to happen. Yeah, you know, let
36:11
Speaker 1: me paint a picture for y'all because I feel like
36:13
Speaker 1: my between my mother and I are cheese mess sesh.
36:16
Speaker 1: Like is while I'm at my vanity and I'm getting
36:19
Speaker 1: ready for work. So she comes in and she's like, Sam, okay, Arianna,
36:26
Speaker 1: let's have a word. And then she starts telling me
36:29
Speaker 1: the third person, Yes, I did, Yes, I did once
36:36
Speaker 1: in a while sometimes anyway, So that is my like
36:40
Speaker 1: that is when we have our little cheese mess sage
36:42
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know what your boppy did? You
36:43
Speaker 1: know what he did? You know what I heard? And
36:45
Speaker 1: I'm like tell me, tell me right exactly. It's a moment,
36:49
Speaker 1: and it's like when it's about to happen, there's like
36:53
Speaker 1: signals there are exciting yes, yes, oh my god, there's
36:59
Speaker 1: signals to cheese man, because like girl like and here's
37:03
Speaker 1: what the big this is where like a big thing comes. Right,
37:06
Speaker 1: there's a difference between like cheese mat and again we're
37:09
Speaker 1: gonna talk about like being in a teacher right, like yeah,
37:13
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's get into it. So like this
37:16
Speaker 1: is different when somebody's coming to you with some like
37:18
Speaker 1: juicy cheese man that you know it's gonna be like,
37:21
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. And there are sometimes when cheese
37:25
Speaker 1: mat is bad and that's when somebody's being in my
37:27
Speaker 1: teacher right, So my teachers someone who like cemented look right,
37:32
Speaker 1: like things that don't matter to them. Right. So my
37:34
Speaker 1: cheese met thread on Twitter, um gets past like it
37:38
Speaker 1: gets retweeted a lot. Something that's one of my most
37:40
Speaker 1: like um like um my my my tweets as the
37:45
Speaker 1: most longevity. Right. I tweeted it, I formed it in
37:48
Speaker 1: like October, and to the day, I still get comments
37:52
Speaker 1: on it. That's the thread that made me fall in
37:54
Speaker 1: love with you. It's snatched me and I've been hooked
38:00
Speaker 1: ever since. Yeah. So like that often gets really positive
38:05
Speaker 1: like feedback, or it gets completely stolen by somebody else
38:09
Speaker 1: whatever really bad like feedback. Right, I've had people bash
38:15
Speaker 1: the try to come for me right for it, right,
38:18
Speaker 1: and it's it's like things such as like people are
38:20
Speaker 1: like remember that, like u F word, I mean afford
38:25
Speaker 1: who try to politicize cheese may or remember that. And
38:28
Speaker 1: let's be clear, these are fellow Latino X community. These
38:32
Speaker 1: are probably Latino man, Latin X folks, latinos. Yes, well
38:38
Speaker 1: it's actually a combination of like, okay, so a lot
38:40
Speaker 1: of so yeah, the majority of them are like, aren't
38:43
Speaker 1: Latin ohs? Sometimes a get like Latin excess coming from
38:47
Speaker 1: me to right people? Right? Um? And so people confused
38:54
Speaker 1: being a cheese most so she's most she's most ex
38:57
Speaker 1: which being a mid teacher, right, that makes sense. That
38:59
Speaker 1: makes sense. Being a cheese mosul with a chiefs most
39:02
Speaker 1: sexes one another requires a certain level of trust because
39:06
Speaker 1: we can talk about the fact that when you share
39:08
Speaker 1: cheesement you have particular people that you share it with.
39:12
Speaker 1: It's not everybody. You know who you can trust, and
39:15
Speaker 1: you know who you can talk to and who you can't.
39:17
Speaker 1: There's logic behind it, yes, And that's a ship that
39:20
Speaker 1: people miss. Is like fucking Nuance nance. It's very important.
39:27
Speaker 1: Um but yeah, something I even have io. Right, It's
39:31
Speaker 1: like Nuance, it's so important. Uh right, not all cheese mans, Yeah,
39:39
Speaker 1: biggest teach that we know of. Um. People say that,
39:55
Speaker 1: like all right, but jesus, how political. Right, So we're
40:01
Speaker 1: going to look at it too, right, So when we
40:05
Speaker 1: think about like unethical cheeseman, right, when we think about
40:08
Speaker 1: my chas, we must think about the government rights fu right,
40:13
Speaker 1: the saying shit, they're looking at our records, like looking
40:17
Speaker 1: at doesn't listening in on our conversations, probably listening right now,
40:22
Speaker 1: TV listening right the funk now say what right and
40:32
Speaker 1: so and so because all these things get recorded, right.
40:36
Speaker 1: Cheese has been used in very political ways to write. So,
40:40
Speaker 1: like when we think about like Nixon and Deep Throw,
40:43
Speaker 1: right if if you yeah we uh so? Basically deep
40:49
Speaker 1: throw was like, uh someone who was you know, inside
40:53
Speaker 1: of Nixon's administration, right, who spilled like the cheese man
40:56
Speaker 1: who spilled the t Yeah, that's Nixon was doing right
41:01
Speaker 1: in order to bring down the US whoever whoever slipped
41:08
Speaker 1: over those Trump tax returns. That was classic classic. That's
41:13
Speaker 1: the same as a sending a screenshot, you know, yeah
41:17
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah. So like in these ways, like cheeseman
41:21
Speaker 1: is very political, right, wiki leaks so political? Cheese man, yes, political,
41:27
Speaker 1: cheeseman absolutely. And I had like a whole fucking as
41:30
Speaker 1: second write about like the way that wiki leaks came
41:32
Speaker 1: around and who was who was ultimately persecuted? Right, because
41:36
Speaker 1: who was persecuted for that ship? Oh does the transgender
41:42
Speaker 1: woman who ended up being put in a men's prison
41:45
Speaker 1: because of the league fallout. And where is Snowden? Where
41:49
Speaker 1: a man Edward Snowden did not read the bad repercussion ERG. No, No,
41:56
Speaker 1: it's really it really is very incredible, And we can
41:59
Speaker 1: talk of we can point out the fact that when
42:03
Speaker 1: the United States government engages in myth or she's most
42:07
Speaker 1: so shit, it's labeled literally as intelligence. It's literally called intelligence,
42:15
Speaker 1: bitch intelligence. Yes, And that comes down to like how
42:19
Speaker 1: cheeseman is gender, Yes, yes, because yes, let him a head,
42:26
Speaker 1: let him head, let a bit engage in some gossip.
42:32
Speaker 1: She's most privilegedgen more. Absolutely right. Um, sorry, I just
42:41
Speaker 1: thought that we were all talking to over each other.
42:42
Speaker 1: Remember this joke about like how podcasts are often like
42:46
Speaker 1: millennials talking over each other. Oh my god, I love it. No,
42:50
Speaker 1: you know, would it be like that sometimes when the
42:52
Speaker 1: cheesem is that good, y'all are talking over each other.
42:55
Speaker 1: But there's this thing about like talking over each other
42:58
Speaker 1: even when you're cheating me, you can then we're still
43:01
Speaker 1: listening to. Also, I feel like this is a very
43:04
Speaker 1: Latin American thing because in the US, like when you
43:07
Speaker 1: speak English, like you it's like a weight in response. Right, No,
43:12
Speaker 1: in America, you are all having like five different conversations
43:15
Speaker 1: at the same table and everyone was listening. She's you know,
43:22
Speaker 1: when I noticed that white people really do speak differently
43:26
Speaker 1: and have a whole different speaking structure than Latinos than
43:30
Speaker 1: we do when the what no, no, not, then that's
43:37
Speaker 1: not when it happened a different time, another different time.
43:40
Speaker 1: So no, Like, okay, A, I went to a predominantly
43:45
Speaker 1: Latino and Filipino elementary and middle school, and then when
43:50
Speaker 1: I went to high school, I went to a predominantly
43:52
Speaker 1: white high school, and I noticed right away that A
43:57
Speaker 1: the way people dressed was extremely different. I was like,
44:01
Speaker 1: why is everyone barefoot? Basically that was me when I
44:04
Speaker 1: went to UC Santa Barbara. Yeah, I was like, how
44:06
Speaker 1: come no one was clothes at school? Like it was strange.
44:09
Speaker 1: It was different for me. I was like, they don't
44:11
Speaker 1: do their hair, they don't put makeup on, and they
44:14
Speaker 1: don't even wear shoes. Yes, they don't wear shoes. Go ahead, Ruben, Yeah,
44:19
Speaker 1: that's the same ship. When I went to UC David's, right,
44:21
Speaker 1: it was all these like you know, these white people
44:24
Speaker 1: who literally try to pretend they were poor, but they
44:27
Speaker 1: were so like the thing about like whiteness, like people
44:33
Speaker 1: don't judge you on the way you look as much
44:35
Speaker 1: as the judge or femininity or femininity when old femininity
44:41
Speaker 1: and so not only did I notice that expression in
44:45
Speaker 1: general was different for white people. And I noticed this
44:47
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, right, and I went to this
44:49
Speaker 1: white high school. So expression in general is different for
44:52
Speaker 1: white people, so not only how they dress and the
44:54
Speaker 1: way that they carry themselves, but the way that they speak. Right,
44:59
Speaker 1: And I noticed in high school and when I went
45:01
Speaker 1: to college and I joined the Senate, that there was
45:04
Speaker 1: this emphasis on rules and regulations when it came to
45:07
Speaker 1: discussion and debate like this Lincoln Douglas style debate, and
45:11
Speaker 1: where there's rules and like convention, and when one person speaks,
45:16
Speaker 1: other people cannot chime in no matter what that person
45:19
Speaker 1: is saying, right, the form matters more than the contents
45:24
Speaker 1: that goes with that whole, Like well, everybody's entitles an opinion,
45:29
Speaker 1: even if it's hateful, even if it's demeaning to people
45:32
Speaker 1: of color, Like rebuttals, even where rebuttals, even rebuttals are
45:36
Speaker 1: like regulated, so you can only respond a certain number
45:40
Speaker 1: of times, and if you adhere to certain protocol and
45:43
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be in government like debate settings.
45:46
Speaker 1: It was so strange to me, and I could not
45:48
Speaker 1: do student government for more than a year. And it
45:51
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with the restrictions on the
45:53
Speaker 1: way that we spoke. I couldn't stand it because I
45:56
Speaker 1: had the same way for all these dumbass like sucking
45:59
Speaker 1: oh my, just so so out of touch, just so
46:02
Speaker 1: tone deaf, just so in every way ignorant, like all
46:06
Speaker 1: these people like saying all this horrible ship and you're
46:08
Speaker 1: literally not allowed to respond, you know. Okay, yeah, okay.
46:13
Speaker 1: So I brought up like white man because that's how
46:15
Speaker 1: I came into like how white people communicate, and it's
46:18
Speaker 1: just like it's very much like no, like this right, yeah,
46:23
Speaker 1: like they no matter what the funk the other one
46:26
Speaker 1: is saying, like they're not accustomed to shut shutting people down.
46:30
Speaker 1: Back is not strong, they don't do it. It's like
46:33
Speaker 1: it's like there's this essay that I've wad in college,
46:35
Speaker 1: but it's like about like the language of whiteness and
46:37
Speaker 1: how like everybody's polite and everybody's saying somebody without saying anything, yes, right,
46:43
Speaker 1: and then here we come, Yeah, here we come, ye,
46:46
Speaker 1: which brings us back to how people say, like you
46:48
Speaker 1: sound white or whatever, right, the quote unquote polite. Right, Well,
46:52
Speaker 1: we are necessarily polite, Like we just learned to like
46:54
Speaker 1: navigate white space exactly. The code switching, the code switching
46:59
Speaker 1: that's to happen, and it's so layered for for folks.
47:02
Speaker 1: I feel like us Latino folks, Latin X folks, chic xes,
47:07
Speaker 1: because not only do we navigate like cold twitching in
47:10
Speaker 1: like the class sense, but also like language wise, like
47:14
Speaker 1: English wise. Yeah no, yeah, it's so interesting, it really is. Yeah.
47:22
Speaker 1: So that brings me to like existing in like one
47:24
Speaker 1: of the biggest predominantly white spaces in college, right like
47:29
Speaker 1: you yeah, you like that the last sentence. Can you
47:37
Speaker 1: repeat it because you cut out a little bit. Yeah,
47:40
Speaker 1: so alledge a lot of times you don't know what
47:43
Speaker 1: actually spaces are, right right, Like there's like Latin Next centers,
47:47
Speaker 1: but oftentimes they're not actually safe, right And there's like
47:51
Speaker 1: a Latin Next Chica studying department that it is not
47:54
Speaker 1: necessarily saying so we can talk about cheese men and survivors, yes, okay,
47:59
Speaker 1: the community and safety planning and disposability and accountability This
48:04
Speaker 1: is such a good transition, like talking about the university
48:07
Speaker 1: and like Chicano Chicken X Latino Latino X spaces and
48:12
Speaker 1: how they're supposedly safe, but really a lot of these
48:15
Speaker 1: men in our departments are predators, predators users. Our communities
48:21
Speaker 1: protect them, have multiple, multiple rape allegations against them from students.
48:27
Speaker 1: But they're they're on their tenure. You know, they've done
48:30
Speaker 1: so much, they give so much funding comes to the
48:32
Speaker 1: department because of them. So let's not touch them, let's
48:35
Speaker 1: protect them as opposed to these vulnerable students. So, but
48:38
Speaker 1: how do we learn to not take their classes through
48:42
Speaker 1: chiefsmen right through a down as t a through a
48:46
Speaker 1: grad student, as somebody else, an older student that took
48:50
Speaker 1: them in a don't careful, don't take this class, don't
48:55
Speaker 1: be alone with this person, or don't mess with this
48:58
Speaker 1: activists exactly. Yeah, yeah, I think, oh, like as someone
49:04
Speaker 1: who's a survivor or someone in like who like activists, right, um,
49:10
Speaker 1: like coming out about like my rapists, like it's not
49:15
Speaker 1: gonna it has historically not led to survivors being believed
49:21
Speaker 1: to be persecuted. Right, as we know, as we know
49:25
Speaker 1: in the United States, as we know it's statistical, it's factual,
49:31
Speaker 1: and this is information. And this is why it pisces
49:33
Speaker 1: me off when like Latino men, when men of color
49:36
Speaker 1: come at us with this very eurocentric demand of show
49:41
Speaker 1: me evidence. They want the science, they want the science. Well,
49:44
Speaker 1: the thing is And it's funny though, because when it
49:46
Speaker 1: comes to violence against women and fems, the information is
49:50
Speaker 1: out there. Even the Department of Justice collects this information
49:53
Speaker 1: the city's, state and federal level. Like, we know that
49:58
Speaker 1: the number one threat to women and firms who our
50:01
Speaker 1: safeties and our livelihoods are men. That's what we know.
50:06
Speaker 1: That's what we know. You know, you could literally go
50:08
Speaker 1: on the d J website and see it plainly written
50:13
Speaker 1: now and it's been acknowledged, and this information has been
50:16
Speaker 1: collected for years, but there's still this cognitive dissonance and
50:19
Speaker 1: like unwillingness to acknowledge you know, yeah, absolutely, um, And
50:26
Speaker 1: like accountability like what accountability right? Right, it doesn't it
50:31
Speaker 1: doesn't exist specifically in activist spaces, right, because who do
50:35
Speaker 1: we gather to protect? Like we don't gather to protect women,
50:40
Speaker 1: like we gather to protect men, right and defite man
50:45
Speaker 1: but not limited to sist man. Anyone who ticks the
50:48
Speaker 1: ideal of mannerhood, masculine masculinity, and so that leads us
50:53
Speaker 1: to a discussion of right of right like disposability, which
50:58
Speaker 1: we begin to notice and we begin to see, at
51:01
Speaker 1: least you know, I do because of the work that
51:03
Speaker 1: I do with Ripe Crisis and working with survivors, we
51:06
Speaker 1: begin to see this, this ongoing trend of we bring
51:10
Speaker 1: up this idea that people are not disposable. But we
51:14
Speaker 1: bring up this idea generally when it comes to protecting
51:19
Speaker 1: a known abuser or a known perpetrators position in the community.
51:25
Speaker 1: We only talk about disposability when we're trying to keep
51:29
Speaker 1: abusers exactly where they're at and not changing their access,
51:33
Speaker 1: or their position, or their power. I have never, in
51:36
Speaker 1: an activist space, in a Latin X in a brown
51:39
Speaker 1: black space, heard anybody say, because women and children and
51:44
Speaker 1: survivors are not disposable, we will take disclosure seriously, and
51:49
Speaker 1: we will take safety for women and children and fems
51:52
Speaker 1: and survivors seriously, so we will separate you know, perpetrators
51:56
Speaker 1: from community for at least a time, or we will
51:58
Speaker 1: take steps. I've never heard that. I have only heard
52:02
Speaker 1: people aren't disposable. So such and such added, abuser should
52:05
Speaker 1: be allowed to have all of the space at the
52:09
Speaker 1: art exhibitions, at the talks, at the conferences, at the performances.
52:13
Speaker 1: We're not going to change anything about their access to
52:16
Speaker 1: the community based on what we know about this. You know,
52:19
Speaker 1: who gives the funk about the survivor? Who gives And
52:23
Speaker 1: this is why like cheeseman comes into play because we
52:27
Speaker 1: know the system it ain't here for us, right. We
52:29
Speaker 1: know no one's going to protect us, specifically our survivors.
52:32
Speaker 1: So how do we protect one another? We spread that
52:35
Speaker 1: ethical cheesemay, right, Um, we protect We're like, hey, homie,
52:39
Speaker 1: don't hung out with this person, don't don't like this
52:43
Speaker 1: is what happened. We don't just say it to everybody.
52:45
Speaker 1: We say it to people who we trust and who
52:48
Speaker 1: we want to protect. Right Because the part of ethical
52:51
Speaker 1: chreestment is million power dynamics. Right, Because who are you
52:54
Speaker 1: protecting and who are you exposing? Right? If if the
52:58
Speaker 1: cheeseman is ethical and the intention to protect and inform,
53:03
Speaker 1: then you would not be exposing or outing a vulnerable individual.
53:08
Speaker 1: You would be exposing and outing power and a hierarchy
53:12
Speaker 1: and imbalance and violence. Right. Absolutely, So someone recently, like
53:17
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, my cheese mat threat is like constantly
53:20
Speaker 1: like circulating, right, um, And somebody recently came to me
53:24
Speaker 1: was like some sh it about like, well, fuck you
53:28
Speaker 1: cheese man, is what had my hope? Peblo demonized my
53:32
Speaker 1: mother for remarried, right, And I'm just like, no, ho mean,
53:36
Speaker 1: that's like being a that's being and that's spreading an
53:40
Speaker 1: ethical cheeseman. Because in our in our culture, right, women
53:44
Speaker 1: who remarry or get divorced, of women who do anything
53:46
Speaker 1: outside of the door get demonizes, right, So her pueblo
53:51
Speaker 1: was being helmet dechas what then do they care that
53:53
Speaker 1: that somebody's parents don't married. I feel like that goes
53:56
Speaker 1: back to not actually cheeseman, but actually protecting masculine And
54:00
Speaker 1: because because who who is she like wronging by remarrying
54:06
Speaker 1: exactly the man that the former partners, the first husband
54:11
Speaker 1: and his family. Yep, yes, absolutely, because men are never
54:15
Speaker 1: freaking like demon And because if we're thinking about if
54:18
Speaker 1: this was a woman in Latin America, right, and who
54:22
Speaker 1: knows what decade, what year, right, what other economic options
54:26
Speaker 1: did she have for survival besides Mary? But she want
54:31
Speaker 1: to demonize the fact that she got remarried so she
54:33
Speaker 1: can eat and have a place to live. So she's
54:37
Speaker 1: wrong because the circumstances forced that type of interaction. That's
54:42
Speaker 1: victim blaming. Oh my god, funk yes, Um, So that
54:46
Speaker 1: brings me back to like something that like something else's
54:49
Speaker 1: medals Um wrote one time, and I'm just like a
54:53
Speaker 1: mad but she was basically like how in Latin X
54:57
Speaker 1: connects cultures like women and queer and trying folks are
55:00
Speaker 1: united um by the fact that they're off. Women specifically
55:05
Speaker 1: women who um are open about their sexuality are demonized
55:10
Speaker 1: in ways that parallel queer trans folks right, Like we
55:13
Speaker 1: all we all get kicked out of our house right
55:16
Speaker 1: right because we we decided to be open about you know,
55:20
Speaker 1: our desires or who we are we are, right yeah,
55:23
Speaker 1: And you know, something that we talked about in the
55:27
Speaker 1: second recording of the same trilogy is trilogy Um is
55:32
Speaker 1: the importance of chosen family. And for queer folks especially
55:36
Speaker 1: like chosen family like is extremely important. It's extremely vital
55:41
Speaker 1: to to our survival as queer folks, transfolks, fams. You know,
55:46
Speaker 1: like I shared about how my brothers want to give
55:48
Speaker 1: me ship because they're like, you're always with your friends.
55:50
Speaker 1: You never come and see us, you know, but these
55:52
Speaker 1: straight men will never understand the importance of being seen
55:57
Speaker 1: by queer folks, you know, by your chosen family. So
56:00
Speaker 1: you know the fact that we're able to we have
56:03
Speaker 1: to create these separate families because our blood relatives are
56:08
Speaker 1: blood family. Like, they don't see us, they don't respect us,
56:12
Speaker 1: they love us. The institution of the nuclear family is
56:16
Speaker 1: designed to affirm the cist man exactly in that in
56:22
Speaker 1: that traditional model of absolutely only, he is a firmly yes,
56:27
Speaker 1: that's just that's a home. Like you know, families, family
56:31
Speaker 1: got to forgive each other. No, actually, your family could
56:34
Speaker 1: be the most toxic, the most toxic thing that you
56:38
Speaker 1: ever encounter, experience, have to survive, absolutely, right. So, like,
56:45
Speaker 1: not only do we build these other families, but oftentimes
56:49
Speaker 1: we build entire languages separate from a family. I'm thinking
56:54
Speaker 1: specifically of queer and trans people of color, right, and
56:57
Speaker 1: the ball scene, right, and we developed like shade and
57:02
Speaker 1: reading right and all these types of things that like
57:06
Speaker 1: just had populations wouldn't understand. Right, Yeah, specifically for me,
57:12
Speaker 1: right when I when I was a little queer brown
57:15
Speaker 1: kid um and I was looking for ways to survive
57:19
Speaker 1: like my oppressive like like not only like my family situation,
57:23
Speaker 1: but like my community. I found outlets, right, and I
57:26
Speaker 1: found them through cheese Man. Right. You couldn't. You couldn't
57:29
Speaker 1: promote like come over here like closet a kid. Right.
57:33
Speaker 1: It's a safe space, right because the people would know
57:36
Speaker 1: about it, and then people who are trying to hurt
57:38
Speaker 1: queer in terms people of color would come and infiltrate it. Right,
57:41
Speaker 1: So you have to be like you have to be
57:43
Speaker 1: you have to be a cheese she's most so she's
57:45
Speaker 1: most sex about it. Otherwise it's for our safety, right,
57:50
Speaker 1: So Che's Man oftentimes is used to protect queer in
57:54
Speaker 1: terms people. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think that that is
57:57
Speaker 1: a good transition into the song that you that you
58:00
Speaker 1: brought today, right because there's like the language of it,
58:05
Speaker 1: you know. Then I think we can tie into what
58:08
Speaker 1: you just said. Yeah, so this is I guess are
58:12
Speaker 1: we're exiting? Uh so, I just before I go into
58:17
Speaker 1: the song, I wanted to bring up like um again
58:21
Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter and g um Facebook as queer
58:25
Speaker 1: tickin on Treese Man. If you have a store art
58:29
Speaker 1: to sell, use the hashtag to x C I G
58:34
Speaker 1: and I'll find you and I'll promote your art on
58:36
Speaker 1: my platforms and your shop. Uh. If you are reading
58:41
Speaker 1: UM America Chavis Um, which is a comic book by um,
58:46
Speaker 1: a queer Latino writer Rivera for Marvel, Um, use the
58:50
Speaker 1: hashtag make mine Javis, and I'll also promote you on Yeah,
58:55
Speaker 1: just because I feel like we should promote um queer
58:58
Speaker 1: and fans people of color who are doing a damn thing.
59:00
Speaker 1: I have a question about that because I would like
59:03
Speaker 1: to read this comic book. But where does one buy it?
59:06
Speaker 1: Where does one buy this comic? Um? You can buy
59:10
Speaker 1: it online or I don't at your local comic book shop. Okay,
59:15
Speaker 1: I will look. Yeah that's Oh, that's a whole other
59:19
Speaker 1: I can talk about, like comic book shops and how
59:21
Speaker 1: they were safety for like a little queer fan. There's
59:27
Speaker 1: a comic book shop I know in Southeast l A
59:30
Speaker 1: which you um where y'all preside? Um. The nearest one
59:35
Speaker 1: I think is in Bell Gardens, which is why because
59:38
Speaker 1: I grew up in Southeast A show send me the
59:41
Speaker 1: info separate from comics. It was. It was owned by
59:46
Speaker 1: a queer woman back in the day. Yeah, that was
59:50
Speaker 1: definitely my sanctuary. But again, um, if you're reading America,
59:55
Speaker 1: use the hashtag make my job as um. That's support
59:58
Speaker 1: queen and trains people of color like in mainstream media. Um. Yes,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: and you have a song, another song for us, so
1:00:06
Speaker 1: we're about to Yeah, let's we can you know, we
1:00:09
Speaker 1: don't have to put a song right away. We can
1:00:11
Speaker 1: have a discussion about the Wonga. It's important. He is very,
1:00:16
Speaker 1: very important to our communities. And I feel like the
1:00:18
Speaker 1: discussion about code switching a new languages right is really
1:00:22
Speaker 1: important when discussing Wanga in this upcoming song. Yes, yeah,
1:00:27
Speaker 1: so there's so much to impact with Wanga. Um. I
1:00:31
Speaker 1: consider him the patron saint of sissy brown boys, right um,
1:00:37
Speaker 1: because honestly, growing up like he's all I had, Like
1:00:39
Speaker 1: I did not have anyone else tell me that I
1:00:42
Speaker 1: can grow into an old age as like someone who
1:00:44
Speaker 1: is not only queer but also like sissy, right, like
1:00:49
Speaker 1: masculine in any like like stretch of the imagination. Right. Um.
1:00:55
Speaker 1: So when he passed away, there was a lot of
1:00:59
Speaker 1: um talk about how he's not really queer, right um.
1:01:03
Speaker 1: And that's because Kuanga existed in this like intersection of
1:01:07
Speaker 1: cheese man and queerness, right Um. He was never like
1:01:11
Speaker 1: openly out about it, right. Um, you had to decipher
1:01:15
Speaker 1: what he was saying, what he was thinking about UM
1:01:18
Speaker 1: and how he existed in this world. Right. Um. So
1:01:23
Speaker 1: when one of the biggest place things people site when
1:01:27
Speaker 1: speaking of Kwanga's um, sexuality, UM and gender was his
1:01:32
Speaker 1: quote like, right, you know is in question? Right? And
1:01:39
Speaker 1: he was, And that was basically him asking not only um.
1:01:43
Speaker 1: It was like it was like there was a dissonance. Right.
1:01:46
Speaker 1: It wasn't only him asking people to stop cheese man,
1:01:51
Speaker 1: it was also asking people to assume things about him. Right.
1:01:56
Speaker 1: It was an invitation in some ways as well. Response yes,
1:02:02
Speaker 1: absolutely right. So when he you know, when he passed away,
1:02:06
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people I wrote like one
1:02:08
Speaker 1: of another one of my popular threats on Huanga right
1:02:11
Speaker 1: when we had to experience double trauma as queer brown
1:02:14
Speaker 1: folks quere Latin nexus queer after Latin nexus queer black folks,
1:02:18
Speaker 1: right as not only where like when posts happened, people
1:02:23
Speaker 1: were reporting on it like this was this was an
1:02:25
Speaker 1: ALGBT tragedy or this was this was Latin X tragedy. No,
1:02:31
Speaker 1: like very few outlets initially were reporting on it as
1:02:34
Speaker 1: both in Yeah, so when if Fuanga passed away, it
1:02:39
Speaker 1: was the same thing. And so again LGBT Latin Exus
1:02:42
Speaker 1: after Latin Nexus, we had to like fight to like
1:02:45
Speaker 1: be like no, this, this is important to us, right.
1:02:49
Speaker 1: And that was again because like Huanga never cemented his
1:02:52
Speaker 1: identity as queer because he didn't he wanted to exist
1:02:59
Speaker 1: as a lad as something. And and like one of
1:03:02
Speaker 1: the things that we forget is that legends are cheessment, right,
1:03:06
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so true. Newes legends exists because
1:03:13
Speaker 1: we passed it down verbally, right, despite like you can
1:03:16
Speaker 1: read a whole fucking Wikipedia article on funga, but it
1:03:19
Speaker 1: don't means ship if you don't have like a whole
1:03:22
Speaker 1: as background and somebody pushing significance to Yeah. And it
1:03:26
Speaker 1: is really interesting that that like a lot of you know,
1:03:31
Speaker 1: Latin x is Mexicano che chicken x Is wanted to
1:03:36
Speaker 1: have a sort of ownership over him by denying that
1:03:41
Speaker 1: he was queer. Yeah, which you know we talked about
1:03:44
Speaker 1: in the last copy. Dittle, I don't know in this
1:03:46
Speaker 1: copy did, but the last recording is like it's still
1:03:49
Speaker 1: just another way for folks to claim to want to
1:03:53
Speaker 1: own to want to dictate ownership possess a senbody. You know,
1:03:58
Speaker 1: he was a very h a queer person, you know,
1:04:02
Speaker 1: and the fact that even after his controlling, even after
1:04:05
Speaker 1: his death, they want to they want to own him, right,
1:04:08
Speaker 1: these these men, I mean you said in particular that
1:04:10
Speaker 1: there were folks in your mentions being like, no, stop it,
1:04:14
Speaker 1: like he was not gay, right, Yes, um, because if
1:04:19
Speaker 1: he's not queer, if he's not fan, then all those tears,
1:04:23
Speaker 1: those his hiss head man crying to his songs will
1:04:26
Speaker 1: be validated because everybody cried to hunta everybody. Uh but yeah,
1:04:34
Speaker 1: So getting into the song um, It's Noah by Huang Gariel,
1:04:41
Speaker 1: and in it he says mama right. And the term
1:04:47
Speaker 1: the ambiente, which was used by a lot of gay
1:04:51
Speaker 1: men in the nineties specifically um to signify that somebody
1:04:56
Speaker 1: was queer or gay right. And it does not be
1:05:00
Speaker 1: thing right. I said, like that guy is down right,
1:05:03
Speaker 1: which means that guy was queer. Right. And if we
1:05:06
Speaker 1: want to look at Huanga as specifically like as a
1:05:09
Speaker 1: queer subject, right, we can look at his lyrics. Right,
1:05:13
Speaker 1: people are people are often like well, he often sang
1:05:15
Speaker 1: to feminine pronouns right to get either right, yeah, right,
1:05:20
Speaker 1: but we look at the language that like people Latin
1:05:23
Speaker 1: exus queer Latin xus used specifically gay queer men, right,
1:05:29
Speaker 1: We often use like um feminine pronouns, right, like a
1:05:32
Speaker 1: yeah four other queer men right, or other fans right.
1:05:37
Speaker 1: So ultimately we can if we take that lend to
1:05:41
Speaker 1: um Huanga's music, we can he was like doing like
1:05:46
Speaker 1: the ultimate like fem for fem like you know Manifesto
1:05:51
Speaker 1: right music that right, he was sinking and crying and
1:05:56
Speaker 1: proclaiming his love to other fans. And I think that's
1:05:59
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful in this world really, and
1:06:02
Speaker 1: that's why he is so important to me. And you
1:06:05
Speaker 1: know what's interesting is it seems like you know, celebrities,
1:06:09
Speaker 1: people in the public eye, unethical or negative cheeseman like
1:06:15
Speaker 1: gets spilled about them all the time, right, Like, celebrities
1:06:18
Speaker 1: get their most intimate stuff exposed quite often, and it
1:06:22
Speaker 1: often has a lot to do with like who they
1:06:23
Speaker 1: hang out with. Correct me if I'm wrong, But I
1:06:26
Speaker 1: feel like Kwanga did not have that type of experience
1:06:28
Speaker 1: with lots of negative receipts and negative cheeseman and people
1:06:32
Speaker 1: were not trying to expose him. He was sharing his
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Speaker 1: cheesement with trusted people who did not expose him, right,
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Speaker 1: and even even his late wife, his partner that he
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Speaker 1: was married to, that had she had children with, Like,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure she knew everything, but did she like say
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Speaker 1: any of the you know, did she spill any like
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Speaker 1: thee spill the free Holian. No she did not, you know,
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Speaker 1: she was like we were friends. He was my you know,
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Speaker 1: my husband. We had these children, my partner. Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think what Mama says, it's true, Like, no,
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Speaker 1: he he knew who he was spelling or who he
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Speaker 1: was telling the cheese man too. Yeah, yeah, shout out.
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Speaker 1: He's from seats, which is where my my mom is from. Right. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And in the last second recording of this, I shared
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Speaker 1: how she went to one of his concerts in I
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Speaker 1: want to say the late nineties early two thousand's and
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Speaker 1: she saw him walking up on stage and like yelled
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Speaker 1: at him and was like and he blew her a kiss.
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Speaker 1: That story, Yeah, and she wasn't mourning for a very
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Speaker 1: long time, you know, probably still is like, yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: he he means so much to our communities in multiple levels,
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Speaker 1: on multiple levels. Absolutely, yea. So let's play the song.
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Speaker 1: Let's play the song, and thank you for bearing with
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Speaker 1: us and for being so patient. Andrew Benne, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for recording with us three times and for
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Speaker 1: being a trooper. Yeah, thank you so much for being
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Speaker 1: patient with us, for being willing to record with us.
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Speaker 1: And the next time you're here in l A. We
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Speaker 1: will have to do our second old brunch and then
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Speaker 1: our second installment Thami in and then brunch some bottomless yes,
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Speaker 1: no money so anyway, so here's yeah. Thank you so
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